IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Saturday, March 19, 2022

beginning of new day, March 19

00:00 matey; too much power

00:00 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I have a friend who worked at Cummins making diesel engines.

00:00 matey; these free software-RELATED orgs

00:00 DaemonFC; They offered him 12 months pay if he resigned.

00:00 schestowitz; months ago maddog released an old recording of linus

00:00 schestowitz; 1990s

00:00 matey; a lot of them are really getting messed up

00:00 schestowitz; but that's not a new media interview

00:00 matey; linus was a useful idiot

00:00 schestowitz; meanwhile Microsoft employees (CURRENT) speak FOR "Linux" Foundation

00:00 schestowitz; and boss Torvald

00:00 matey; his talents begin and end with writing a kernel

00:00 schestowitz; Torvalds is nop angel

00:01 DaemonFC; But that was a union job.

00:01 schestowitz; but WTF?

00:01 matey; torvalds was used for most of his career

00:01 DaemonFC; Hard to fire anyone there because it would initiate a process as defined in the union contract.

00:01 matey; im not sympathetic

00:01 matey; hes a schmuck

00:01 schestowitz; matey: he also helped write git, started it

00:01 DaemonFC; So they pay people to go away when they need to downsize.

00:01 matey; yeah hes talented as a coder

00:01 schestowitz; but git is not a sophisticated program

00:01 matey; as a software developer, he has talent

00:01 matey; outside of that, hes a pawn in a corporate game

00:01 schestowitz; it does things better than other tools, which is partly imitates

00:02 matey; but he was that pawn in the 90s

00:02 schestowitz; because of things that irritated him in those

00:02 matey; they let him pretend it was his show, played along with the idea

00:02 schestowitz; well, linus was also eaten

00:02 schestowitz; they eat their own

00:02 matey; without question

00:02 schestowitz; he thought bashing the gnu preople (gcc)

00:02 schestowitz; would make him safe

00:02 matey; someone will eat jim too

00:02 schestowitz; how wrong was he

00:02 schestowitz; they did a stalin on him

00:02 RaZeR; linux should be renamed LINUZ

00:02 schestowitz; forced him to apologise and go see THERAPISTS

00:03 schestowitz; RaZeR: why?

00:03 DaemonFC; I keep getting phone calls trying to poll people living in New York.

00:03 matey; they did a stalin on hi <- it was zinoviev who opened up the path to stalinism

00:03 schestowitz; look at many linux systems, they do have "linuz"

00:03 RaZeR; coz stuff with a Z is cool

00:03 matey; he was focused on compromises that would shaft stalins enemies

00:03 matey; it was very much an accidental creation of a monster

00:03 matey; and what a monster

00:04 schestowitz; anyway, linus is "small time" compared to pentagon entities

00:04 schestowitz; they always have leverage on him

00:04 matey; but there are more similarities-- a lot of these compromises came from, just like today, making deals with the business leaders

00:04 schestowitz; LF is one such leverage

00:04 matey; the top business brass

00:04 matey; they had a hand in it

00:04 schestowitz; maybe they also have some "dirt" to scare him with

00:04 schestowitz; if they had infidelity dirt, they'd have used it already

00:04 schestowitz; so instead they tried to "sexist" card

00:04 matey; linus is "small time" compared to pentagon entities <- theo de raadt stood up to them, lost funding

00:04 schestowitz; which is funny given that his own family is feminist

00:05 matey; linus got cancelled, came back with his tail between his legs

00:05 schestowitz; it's a tail?

00:05 matey; linus himself is a tail

00:06 schestowitz; esr btw

00:06 matey; which is funny given that his own family is feminist <- cancel culture isnt about truth or perspective or mitigating factors, its about presumption of guilt

00:06 schestowitz; blog down

00:06 matey; again?

00:06 schestowitz; I heard it got compromised by web shell route

00:06 RaZeR; linux is a character from peanuts

00:06 schestowitz; and never quite got back

00:06 matey; linux is a character from peanut <- good grief

00:06 schestowitz; it happeend after he had posted about microsoft windows and microsoft surrendering to linux

00:06 schestowitz; that was the end of his blog

00:06 RaZeR; its the piano kid

00:06 schestowitz; and he had been removed from OSI

00:07 schestowitz; for some thoughtcrime

00:07 schestowitz; by team bkuhn

00:07 matey; you mean this one? http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 "it happeend after he had posted about microsoft windows and microsoft surrendering to linux"

00:07 TR Bot; Last phase of the desktop wars? Armed and Dangerous

00:07 RaZeR; https://data.whicdn.com/images/14781168/original.jpg

00:08 matey; and he had been removed from OSI <- for some thoughtcrime <- by team bkuhn <- this i remember

00:08 matey; i think you can still reach esrs blog from his website

00:08 schestowitz; karen and brad love surrounding himself by the useful idiots of Pentagon

00:08 matey; he may have moved it to ibiblio

00:08 schestowitz; it gives them money

00:08 matey; karen and brad love surrounding himself by the useful idiots of Pentagon <- and talking about ethics

00:08 schestowitz; haah, yes

00:09 schestowitz; while living in he bankster capital of the world

00:09 schestowitz; not baltimore

00:09 RaZeR; satanic ethics

00:09 schestowitz; see their IRS filing

00:09 schestowitz; they pocket twice as much as FSF staff

00:09 matey; do you have any urls to any pages of esrs old blog?

00:09 schestowitz; the copycats

00:09 schestowitz; http://esr.ibiblio.org/

00:09 TR Bot; Armed and Dangerous Sex, software, politics, and firearms. Life's simple pleasures

00:10 schestowitz; see latest post

00:10 schestowitz; the one before it

00:10 matey; im still not clear on what fsf staff make, most people are volunteers, rms doesnt take money (or he takes a dollar or year or some non-amount like that)

00:10 schestowitz; and last post

00:10 schestowitz; sad ending

00:10 schestowitz; it was completely offline for ages

00:10 matey; second last techrights post?

00:10 schestowitz; came back with some ugly theme

00:10 schestowitz; matey: no

00:10 schestowitz; http://esr.ibiblio.org/

00:10 *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights

00:10 schestowitz; tells you a bit of a story

00:10 matey; okay

00:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 47.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 278.78

00:10 schestowitz; prior to it he was rriaisng funds from readers

00:10 schestowitz; to blog

00:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 47.35 average k/sec., average swarm size 278.78

00:10 matey; this one http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8772 <-

00:11 TR Bot; This is a test Armed and Dangerous

00:11 schestowitz; some patreon type thing

00:11 matey; ?

00:11 RaZeR; thats the site from tiny linux

00:11 schestowitz; he was blogging regularly

00:11 matey; This is a test to see if the database server issue that froze this blog is resolved.

00:12 matey; so he hasnt blogged since 2021-10-14 and that was an rss test

00:12 schestowitz; yes

00:12 schestowitz; he was ruined

00:12 matey; so its been about 5 months

00:12 schestowitz; both by OSI

00:12 schestowitz; which he had founded

00:12 schestowitz; (co)

00:12 schestowitz; and his blog is still basically sabotaged

00:12 schestowitz; so he lost his voice too

00:13 schestowitz; not that I agree with him, esp. not on politics

00:13 matey; i think if he had much to say, he has the means to say it.

00:13 schestowitz; but come on, the obese unhealthy man should at least have a voice

00:13 matey; has he become obese?

00:13 schestowitz; very

00:13 matey; didnt know

00:13 schestowitz; he could barely function, he blogged about it

00:13 schestowitz; and raised money for medical help

00:13 matey; oh

00:14 matey; maybe tahts why its taking his blog so long to get back online

00:14 matey; without his youthful vigour and whatnot

00:14 matey; hes low on energy perhaps

00:14 matey; i dont know, i didnt know he was having medical issues

00:15 matey; osi had a plan to cancel rms

00:15 matey; they didnt use it, it sat on a shelf for ages

00:15 matey; perens condemned it after it was used (most likely by others instead)

00:15 matey; how did it get out? who decided to use it?

00:15 matey; and most important-- WHOSE PLAN was it?

00:15 matey; i would assume esrs

00:16 schestowitz; yes, perens at least confirmed that

00:16 matey; but from perens on debian-private i can almost see perens concocting it

00:16 matey; im not trying to blame perens if hes innocent

00:16 schestowitz; perens has been very quiet since his talk about 3 licences as the way forward

00:16 matey; im just not ruling him out entirely

00:16 schestowitz; after OSI going all rotten

00:16 matey; perens should man up and admit that open source is a mess that cant be saved

00:16 schestowitz; rms and esr are still friends

00:16 schestowitz; but not formally

00:16 matey; hell he practically did just that in 1999

00:17 schestowitz; I think they still have more in common

00:17 schestowitz; than in common with their attackers

00:17 matey; perens and esr?

00:17 schestowitz; no

00:17 schestowitz; esr and rms

00:17 matey; yeah this is the thing

00:17 matey; i would LOVE to throw esr under the bus, if hes guilty

00:17 schestowitz; rms is afraid of being associated with esr

00:18 schestowitz; esr's politics are bad neighbourhood

00:18 matey; no evidence points directly to either perens or esr

00:18 schestowitz; esp. when the "race justice" theme gets brought up

00:18 matey; so the most we can reasonably say its suspicious, and there are others who are far more suspect

00:18 schestowitz; I gave my boss a hard talk yesterday

00:18 schestowitz; an hour on the phone

00:18 matey; esr's politics are bad neighbourhood <- his politics dont bother me. im not convinced hes a white supremacist

00:18 matey; its not something most people accuse him of

00:19 schestowitz; a lot of these pentagon-connected companies have much to worry about

00:19 schestowitz; they are a yoke on the US taxpayers (also outside the US, but in a different way)

00:19 matey; obviously

00:19 schestowitz; and as long as people can spin off some free software thing like BBB they are f'ed

00:19 schestowitz; they then focus on BRANDING

00:19 matey; I gave my boss a hard talk yesterday <- this is interesting

00:20 schestowitz; I recorded it

00:20 matey; and as long as people can spin off some free software thing like BBB <- better business bureau?

00:20 schestowitz; no

00:20 schestowitz; big blue button

00:20 matey; oh right

00:20 schestowitz; there's also jabber etc

00:20 schestowitz; companies don't need slaesforce slack

00:20 schestowitz; their bribed media pushes misoonception

00:20 schestowitz; they don't need "clown"

00:20 schestowitz; it's a trap with soaring frees

00:21 schestowitz; I am SOOOOO glad the video bubble is finally busrsing

00:21 schestowitz; they had NOOOOOO business model

00:21 schestowitz; none

00:21 schestowitz; Microsoft shut down soapbox

00:21 schestowitz; gulag bought youtube

00:21 matey; microsoft is trying

00:21 schestowitz; to replace googfle video

00:21 matey; theyre moving into opengl itself

00:21 schestowitz; vimeo now attacks its own users

00:21 schestowitz; spotify has losses

00:21 schestowitz; netflix is ramping up its attack

00:21 schestowitz; fee increases and war on "password sharing"

00:21 schestowitz; code for,

00:22 schestowitz; I invite my friend to watch a movie at my place

00:22 schestowitz; all those streaming services are expensive operationally

00:22 schestowitz; backing up the videos, redundancy, switching

00:22 schestowitz; and they never cared about the business profits

00:22 schestowitz; they kicked the can down ther road

00:22 matey; people just shouldnt use netflix

00:22 schestowitz; and told shareholders... wait, one day it'll pay off

00:22 schestowitz; same as uber

00:22 schestowitz; and gulag clown

00:22 schestowitz; they're just fired loads of workers

00:23 matey; ive seen enough of netflix (never a customer) to know, in order to be a netflix customer

00:23 schestowitz; like microsoft had fired in azure

00:23 schestowitz; they make BILLIONS in losses

00:23 schestowitz; they even admit it

00:23 matey; you have to keep redefining what it is you actually rely on them for

00:23 schestowitz; AWS became profitable around 2010 IIRC

00:23 schestowitz; Clownflare is still losing

00:23 schestowitz; CDN is not free, no such thing

00:23 matey; because netflix likes to cut out any advantage they offer

00:23 matey; they cant just be a paid for streaming service

00:23 schestowitz; I never watched it

00:23 matey; theyu have to ruin the only thing they have

00:24 schestowitz; not even 'second hand' (smokers' term)

00:24 matey; oh ive watched it on other peoples computers

00:24 schestowitz; netflix is waste of bandwidth

00:24 schestowitz; people have lousy TVs

00:24 matey; notwithstanding

00:24 schestowitz; and basic speakers

00:24 schestowitz; and they sit far

00:24 matey; its a crap service with mostly crap offerings

00:24 matey; and they only make it crappier

00:24 schestowitz; so they get like tends of GBs for one or two people... now netflix calls its own clients "pirates"

00:24 matey; putting ads in a service thats already paid for!

00:24 schestowitz; how nice of them

00:25 schestowitz; matey: the cinemas did the same

00:25 schestowitz; but usually at the edges or start

00:25 matey; yeah and i stopped going

00:25 matey; heres the thing, when it comes to entertainment

00:25 schestowitz; some movies did embed undoclosed ads

00:25 schestowitz; like coke

00:25 matey; if i dont control the experience i dont bother

00:25 schestowitz; iirc, apple also

00:25 matey; same with books

00:25 matey; if i dont control my copy i dont bother

00:25 schestowitz; yeah

00:25 schestowitz; try gemini

00:25 schestowitz; it's so clean of these things

00:25 matey; gemini is great

00:26 schestowitz; like neocities and geocities

00:26 schestowitz; befroe geocities added ads

00:26 schestowitz; I was running a site in geocities around 1998

00:26 matey; 2003

00:26 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/

00:26 matey; angelfire

00:27 schestowitz; gemini://dece.space/notes/20220318-phone-screen-repairs.gmi

00:27 schestowitz; angelfire is dead, no?

00:27 matey; im already a fan of gemini

00:28 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/chat/index.gmi

00:28 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/comicdarts1.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-comicdarts#comic )

00:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/comicdarts1.png

00:28 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)

00:28 matey; angelfire lives https://www.angelfire.com/tn3/petbath/

00:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: angelfire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.angelfire.com/tn3/petbath/

00:28 TR Bot; Simple Expense Manager

00:28 RaZeR; gemini doesnt work with tor

00:28 matey; im guessing there are no more signups

00:28 matey; gemini doesnt work with tor <- why not

00:29 RaZeR; tor browser

00:29 matey; tor browser is for https

00:29 matey; you can use tor without tor browser

00:29 schestowitz; [00:28] <RaZeR> gemini doesnt work with tor

00:29 schestowitz; it does

00:30 schestowitz; and some capsules have inion address

00:30 matey; you can also use a gemini proxy but im sure thats not what we are talking about

00:30 schestowitz; we thought of making an onion address for ours

00:30 matey; gemini -> http but you dont NEED that

00:30 schestowitz; but it's running tor from home

00:30 schestowitz; self-hosting is already a risk with the ISP

00:30 darwin; i just heard about a universal basic income (UBI) that's not pennies a month (like MANNA is: ) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/universal-basic-income/ ... is this a step towards better human & technology rights? I haven't looked at it yet so wondering if anyone thinks it's not or is problematic

00:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: coinmarketcap.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/universal-basic-income/

00:30 TR Bot; NO TITLE

00:30 schestowitz; self-hosting with tor another risky step

00:31 schestowitz; RaZeR: you can use tor with https proxy of our capsule

00:31 schestowitz; gemini.techrights.org serves on three ports

00:31 schestowitz; 1965, http, httpd

00:31 schestowitz; *s

00:31 matey; https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/universal-basic-income/ <- has no idea what this is

00:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: coinmarketcap.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/universal-basic-income/

00:31 RaZeR; UBI = bitcoin mining

00:31 schestowitz; it also does ssh, but that's not for you ;-)

00:32 matey; referring to bitcoin mining as "universal-basic-income" is... weird?

00:32 matey; i dont get the connection between them

00:33 matey; "universal-basic-income" is part of the url

00:33 matey; i still dont get it

00:33 RaZeR; yes you should drop the basic

00:33 matey; and maybe the universal

00:34 RaZeR; i could have mined more and i would have been richer now

00:34 matey; sure

00:34 schestowitz; with automation this is doable

00:34 RaZeR; never liked the ethics of the thing

00:35 matey; of bitcoin?

00:35 schestowitz; but it would ruin the system wherein few plunder all the capital

00:35 RaZeR; actually is de oppsit

00:36 RaZeR; its exactly to perpetuate the system

00:37 RaZeR; if people lose all income how would they plunder all the capital?

00:37 matey; its exactly to perpetuate the system <- how does it perpetuate the system?

00:37 RaZeR; they would have to make a new system with out capital

00:38 matey; like an anti-capitalist system

00:38 matey; ?

00:38 TR News; Home Streaming Server https://www.linux.org/threads/home-streaming-server.38677/

00:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linux.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.linux.org/threads/home-streaming-server.38677/

00:38 TR Bot; Streaming Server | Linux.org

00:38 TR News; "The non-profit organization that oversees AlmaLinux said four new entrants had arrived, with AMD, BlackHOST, and KnownHost joining at the Silver Member level, and Sine Nomine Associates joining the Gold tier." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/almalinux_os_foundation_amd/

00:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/almalinux_os_foundation_amd/

00:38 TR Bot; AMD and more join AlmaLinux OS Foundation The Register

00:39 RaZeR; not sure about anti capitalist it would make capital less relevant

00:39 RaZeR; but

00:39 schestowitz-TR; misunderstanding

00:39 matey; if you make capital less relevant it will simply reassert itself

00:39 schestowitz-TR; I was not alluding to fantasycxoins

00:39 schestowitz-TR; but to UBI

00:39 schestowitz-TR; where "B" is like in Switzerland

00:39 schestowitz-TR; or even Sweden with short workweeks

00:39 matey; you can get rid of capitalism though if you make it "less relevant" that is temporary

00:40 matey; a reform isnt bad unless youre counting on it to stay that way on its own

00:40 RaZeR; its as temporary has the time people keep being money less

00:40 matey; or letting it create complacency (which it often does)

00:41 matey; people will be moneyless when they no longer need money

00:41 matey; or wqhen theyre broke, but thats not what im talking about

00:42 TR News; "Across our global oceans, coastal communities are suffering as populations of sharks, rays, dolphins and other wildlife are decimated by industrial fishing. Huge fishing fleets targeting squid, a species that plays a vital role in the ocean food web, are industrialising international waters." https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/52549/squid-games-that-are-costing-the-planet/

00:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: greenpeace.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/52549/squid-games-that-are-costing-the-planet/

00:42 TR Bot; Squid games that are costing the planet - Greenpeace International

00:42 RaZeR; people would have to resort to charity and be cheap and it would make the capitalists evem more powerfull

00:42 matey; thats not how that works

00:43 TR News; "The importance of cephalopods in sustaining marine ecosystems cannot be overstated. Worldwide, they are a key component of food webs, providing a major prey source for coveted fish species like tunas and salmon, cetaceans like dolphins, sea lions and whales, and a variety of seabirds." https://www.greenpeace.org/international/publication/52473/squids-in-the-spotlight/

00:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: greenpeace.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.greenpeace.org/international/publication/52473/squids-in-the-spotlight/

00:43 TR Bot; Squids in the Spotlight - Greenpeace International

00:43 RaZeR; i mean not having UBI

00:43 TR News; Server: AlmaLinux OS Foundation and Home Streaming Server Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162711

00:43 TR Bot; Server: AlmaLinux OS Foundation and Home Streaming Server | Tux Machines

00:43 matey; im not against ubi

00:43 RaZeR; people would bcome evem more like slaves

00:43 matey; its an idea id like to see explored

00:43 matey; possibly implemented

00:43 matey; you would like ubi, yes?

00:43 RaZeR; poeple say that slavery is banned

00:44 RaZeR; i dont buy that

00:44 TR News; "For several years, I spent much time writing code for the Raspberry Pi, including hardware level register C code so that we can use various Integrated Circuit chips and sensors with Perl." http://blogs.perl.org/users/steve_bertrand/2022/03/access-the-tesla-api-with-perl.html

00:44 TR Bot; the Tesla API with Perl! | Steve Bertrand [blogs.perl.org]

00:44 matey; slavery isnt banned, some forms of it are illegal

00:44 schestowitz-TR; [00:43] <RaZeR> poeple say that slavery is banned

00:44 schestowitz-TR; "modern-age slavery"

00:44 schestowitz-TR; the words change

00:44 matey; theres plenty of modern age slavery

00:44 schestowitz-TR; the practices stay

00:44 matey; but even slavery itself is not bannedm except under MOST circumstances

00:45 RaZeR; the slave owner needed to provide food shelter closthing to slaves now days slaves dont give the employer(slaver) that much trouble

00:45 schestowitz-TR; I suppose some people would be deeply offended if we called slave trade "sweatshop trade"

00:45 matey; there are loopholes large enoguh to steer a slave ship through

00:45 schestowitz-TR; and plantation "factoiries"

00:45 schestowitz-TR; or "brands"

00:45 RaZeR; they do this thing by them selfs

00:45 schestowitz-TR; serfdom

00:45 schestowitz-TR; "gig economy"

00:46 schestowitz-TR; "do you want to work here?"

00:46 schestowitz-TR; "well, yes,"

00:46 matey; "sweatshop trade" <- not a bad phrase though, useful enough on its own

00:46 schestowitz-TR; "I have no choice, I would starve otherwise"

00:46 schestowitz-TR; containers are the new slaveboats

00:46 schestowitz-TR; but they distance you from you slave

00:46 schestowitz-TR; you don't see them

00:46 matey; gigeconomy <- e-serf

00:46 schestowitz-TR; you don't speak to them

00:46 RaZeR; but you are free to starve if you dont want the job :>

00:46 schestowitz-TR; you don't even know they exist

00:47 schestowitz-TR; it's called "cmas gift"

00:47 schestowitz-TR; it's .... "FROM AMAZON"

00:47 schestowitz-TR; "from the shop"

00:47 schestowitz-TR; "made by bezos"

00:47 schestowitz-TR; bezos is a middleman

00:47 matey; hes a middleman at the top

00:47 schestowitz-TR; hooking up a billion humans with slaves

00:47 schestowitz-TR; but don't call it that...

00:47 matey; nearly the top

00:47 schestowitz-TR; keep him at the top

00:48 matey; hes one of the 10 richest people on earth

00:48 schestowitz-TR; above the stratosphere

00:48 matey; but not the richest

00:48 schestowitz-TR; he can do his silly 'spacewalk" for a few minutes

00:48 schestowitz-TR; then you say, okay, matey, see you later, we gotta go

00:48 schestowitz-TR; bezos is left in orbit

00:48 schestowitz-TR; along with OTHER space debris

00:49 schestowitz-TR; people buy telescopes

00:49 schestowitz-TR; from amazon

00:49 matey; i bet musk would go get him down again

00:49 schestowitz-TR; to watch the cautionary tale

00:49 matey; or a drone would

00:49 RaZeR; theres no shortAGE OF BESOS REPLACEMENTS

00:49 schestowitz-TR; "the man who made slaves asemble telescopes"

00:49 matey; musk, by some miracle, is richer than bezos

00:49 schestowitz-TR; matey: maybe

00:49 matey; i still cant get over this

00:49 schestowitz-TR; as debris, he would put musk's business at risks

00:50 schestowitz-TR; it could collide with the comms sattelite or spacex rockets

00:50 RaZeR; ~LOL

00:50 matey; gates did the same for jobs

00:50 matey; i can easily see musk helping to bail out bezos

00:50 matey; gates is still one of the 10 richest on earth

00:50 matey; so is ballmer. ballmer!

00:51 schestowitz-TR; thigh ballmer

00:51 schestowitz-TR; he and CONnie still bribe some things

00:51 schestowitz-TR; to whitewash the name

00:51 matey; all that money and he cant hire someone to make him not look like a buffoon

00:51 schestowitz-TR; who, ballmer?

00:51 schestowitz-TR; otr bezos?

00:51 matey; yes

00:51 schestowitz-TR; bezo has very ugly kids

00:51 matey; well bezos is bezos

00:51 schestowitz-TR; to be objective

00:52 schestowitz-TR; not even the wife could compensate for turtlejeff

00:52 matey; austin powers wasnt supposed to be an instruction manual

00:52 RaZeR; AMD is getting its own distro like intel has already

00:52 TR News; V3D for Raspberry Pi https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15380?commit_id=102ae4bdc89c1c11464e4f9816ee79eae1ac81b3

00:52 TR Bot; v3d: add support for on-disk shader cache (!15380) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab

00:53 matey; i hope it has a rootkit

00:53 matey; to go with the chip

00:53 RaZeR; why?

00:53 matey; for the same reason i hope that amd continues to screw up

00:53 matey; so they can finally die

00:54 matey; the sooner the better

00:54 TR News; Seat Belt History: The Patent That Was Given Away https://tedium.co/2022/03/18/seat-belt-history/

00:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/03/18/seat-belt-history/

00:54 TR Bot; Seat Belt History: The Patent That Was Given Away

00:54 RaZeR; is there anyone you wouldnt want to die?

00:54 matey; many!

00:54 matey; lots of companies just getting started

00:55 TR News; "Update on what happened across the GNOME project in the week from March 11 to March 18." https://thisweek.gnome.org/posts/2022/03/twig-35/

00:55 TR Bot; #35 Software Reviews This Week in GNOME

00:55 TR News; "Libadwaita 1.1 and Libhandy 1.6 are now released to match the upcoming GNOME 42." https://blogs.gnome.org/alexm/2022/03/19/libadwaita-1-1-libhandy-1-6/

00:55 TR Bot; Libadwaita 1.1, Libhandy 1.6 Just another blog

00:55 RaZeR; how does AMD keeps screwing up?

00:55 matey; betraying customers

00:56 matey; putting surveillance first

00:56 matey; lying about everything

00:56 RaZeR; that comes with the territory

00:56 matey; then the territory needs to change or be changed

00:56 matey; i have no sympathy for amd

00:56 RaZeR; good luck with that

00:56 matey; thanks

00:57 RaZeR; you will need it

00:57 matey; to say the least

00:57 matey; free software made enormous strides changing the territory of the software world

00:57 matey; free software doesnt need "ethical source" bullshit

00:57 matey; but it wont make any further progress without getting hardware right either

00:58 matey; we are at that point-- rms says "in ten years"-- nope

00:58 matey; now

00:58 matey; now is the time

00:58 matey; rms might as well say "when its too late"

00:58 RaZeR; isnt it alrady too late?

00:58 matey; not necessarily

00:58 matey; but yesterday would have been better

00:58 RaZeR; just like everything

00:59 matey; you might have me mixed up with mincer

00:59 matey; hes the one with no faith left in the human race

00:59 RaZeR; humanity excels at procrastination

00:59 matey; or they will when they get around to it

00:59 RaZeR; actually it might be one of its defining features

00:59 matey; i dont blame mincer for being pessimistic though

1 AM, March 19

01:00 matey; its easy to put off saving the world, since most people dont know how and even if they did, its a LOT of work

01:00 RaZeR; give me convinirncr or give me death

01:00 RaZeR; convenience

01:01 TR News; GNOME: Libadwaita 1.1, Libhandy 1.6, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162712

01:01 TR Bot; GNOME: Libadwaita 1.1, Libhandy 1.6, and More | Tux Machines

01:01 RaZeR; people will glady for-faith their privacy for just one click less

01:02 schestowitz-TR; rms spoke about this in the video we reposted hours ago

01:02 schestowitz-TR; about a friend who gave him home address to bezos

01:02 matey; about privacy or hardware?

01:02 schestowitz-TR; "doxing" him

01:02 matey; oh about a friend

01:02 schestowitz-TR; who sent a gift

01:02 schestowitz-TR; and then gave his home address

01:02 matey; i imagine bezos home address isnt that secret

01:02 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/rms-libreplanet/

01:02 TR Bot; Richard Stallmans LibrePlanet Talk From 5 Years Ago | Techrights

01:02 schestowitz; about 5 mins from the start

01:02 schestowitz; he makes a good point

01:03 schestowitz; and it's framed logically enough

01:03 schestowitz; by comparison

01:03 RaZeR; bezos home address id in malta or something like that

01:03 matey; i assume he has more than one

01:03 schestowitz-TR; wives?

01:03 matey; addresses

01:03 schestowitz-TR; "sex partners?"

01:03 schestowitz-TR; he was "multitasking"

01:04 RaZeR; i think you can have only one

01:04 schestowitz-TR; unless a saudi magazine 'doxed' him

01:04 matey; only one address?

01:04 schestowitz-TR; which ended his marriage

01:04 schestowitz-TR; like nytimes with gates

01:04 RaZeR; for legal related stuff

01:04 schestowitz-TR; by revealing he was messing about with epstein behind the wife's back

01:04 schestowitz-TR; bill fainted

01:04 schestowitz-TR; I still hope for some deal indictment or investigation

01:05 schestowitz-TR; maybe another round of gates deposition tapes

01:05 RaZeR; why?

01:05 schestowitz-TR; [01:03] <RaZeR> i think you can have only one

01:05 schestowitz-TR; he "swapped"

01:05 schestowitz-TR; for the one he had been having an affair with

01:05 matey; are you talkign about bezos or gates?

01:05 schestowitz-TR; and people trust this businessman?

01:05 schestowitz-TR; whom even his own wife could not trust?

01:06 schestowitz-TR; many people outsource their sites and stuff to aws

01:06 schestowitz-TR; matey: they have infidelity in common

01:06 matey; i dont think most people are so impressed by that

01:06 immibis; i outsource my techrights IRC server to schestowitz-TR despite him not being very trustworthy

01:06 matey; obviously some are

01:06 schestowitz-TR; but afaik bezos was not seeing and hanging out with a person who offers access to underage sex

01:06 matey; but they compartmentalise

01:06 immibis; schestowitz-TR: it's 2022, polyamory is allowed

01:07 matey; most people wont stop doing business with a company because of the ceo jumping into a bed with a mistress

01:07 schestowitz-TR; those are surrogate issues

01:07 schestowitz-TR; if they cheat on the wife

01:07 schestowitz-TR; they will alsoo cheat business partners

01:08 matey; quite a lot of people didnt care that bill clinton had an affair in the white house either

01:08 schestowitz-TR; the two are mentally associated

01:08 matey; it was a field day for the republicans

01:08 matey; as if republicans dont have mistresses, funny stuff

01:08 matey; "only democrats do that" pfft

01:09 matey; democrats are worse about getting caught though. dont know why

01:10 matey; those are surrogate issues <- yes like ethical source is a surrogate issue

01:10 matey; you want to vote against an illegal war, you have to get past the abortion debate first

01:11 RaZeR; abused childs make better solfiers

01:11 matey; citation needed

01:12 RaZeR; ask the hitler youth

01:12 matey; everyone was in the hitler youth

01:12 matey; the pope was in the hitler youth

01:12 immibis; everyone who is rich cheats lots of people. That's how you get rich.

01:13 matey; you could have inherited it from someone who cheated lots of people

01:13 RaZeR; ratzinger

01:13 schestowitz-TR; immibis: yes

01:13 schestowitz-TR; zuckerberg: "they trust me, dumb fucks"

01:13 schestowitz-TR; he sold secrets

01:14 schestowitz-TR; times 2 billion

01:14 RaZeR; zuckerberg: "they trust me, dumb fucks" he told the nsa

01:15 immibis; easiest way to get rich is sell an oligarch (russian or american or european or australian or chinese) something they want

01:15 immibis; especially on an ongoing basis

01:15 immibis; instead of oligarch the word should be kleptocrat

01:15 RaZeR; zuckerberg translates as vilage of suckers

01:16 TR News; Working with 9 screens tonight. I still have one not connected downstairs. But the computers are second hand and our main assets. What we do for a living...

01:16 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162713

01:16 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

01:17 immibis; RaZeR: it's sugar hill actually

01:17 RaZeR; honypot

01:17 matey; kuhn seems to get this right:

01:17 matey; "This essay merely argues that FOSS licenses are not an effective tool to advance social justice causes other than software freedom."

01:17 matey; so maybe hes not arguing for ethical source licenses at least

01:17 matey; and not arguing for destroying the fsd

01:18 matey; he still lacks integrity, hes the wrong person to be advancing this (and what hes advancing is likely to be flawed in other ways)

01:18 matey; i havent read the whole thing, so im still discovering things about it.

01:19 matey; i intensely dislike him and consider him a traitor. i still dont wish to straw man him

01:19 matey; and in the long run the comparison to lunduke will probably still fit

01:21 schestowitz-TR; the title is one thing

01:21 schestowitz-TR; the opening paragraph is antoher

01:21 schestowitz-TR; but it is a loaded headline

01:21 schestowitz-TR; it implies a need to exclude

01:21 schestowitz-TR; hence the headline

01:21 schestowitz-TR; we wrote a lot about the ukraine war

01:21 schestowitz; e.g. http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/donetsk-and-gulag-or-google-now-bans-parts-of-ukraine-for-being-invaded-by-russia/

01:22 TR Bot; When Sanctions Go Toxic: Google, Co-Founded by Moscovite, Agrees With Moscow and Recognises Mariupol (Ukraine) as a Part of Russia | Techrights

01:25 schestowitz-TR; [01:24] <Techrights-sec> 00:16:44 matey; perens should man up and

01:25 schestowitz-TR; [01:25] <Techrights-sec> admit that open source is a mess that cant be saved

01:25 schestowitz-TR; [01:25] <Techrights-sec> many years ago perens went on record saying the OSS was supposed to be only a

01:25 schestowitz-TR; [01:25] <Techrights-sec> stepping stone on the way to Free Software

01:26 TR News; Links 19/3/2022: KStars 3.5.8 Released, New Linux RNG | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/new-linux-rng/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/18/new-linux-rng/

01:26 TR Bot; Links 19/3/2022: KStars 3.5.8 Released, New Linux RNG | Techrights

01:27 TR News; Links 19/3/2022: KStars 3.5.8 Released, New Linux RNG | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/new-linux-rng/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/18/new-linux-rng/

01:27 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162714

01:27 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

01:27 schestowitz; https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2022/03/msg00132.html

01:27 TR Bot; Question to all candidates: Ongoing/future legal projects

01:27 schestowitz; "

01:27 schestowitz; In November 2021, it was discussed in debian-private that a team from

01:27 schestowitz; Debian had been working with a lawyer for a while. (Not sharing

01:27 schestowitz; details: issues remain ongoing.) How would you transition into taking

01:27 schestowitz; on this particular responsibility and similar longer running issues

01:27 schestowitz; should they arise in the future?

01:27 schestowitz; "

01:27 schestowitz; "Debian had been working with a lawyer for a while. "

01:27 schestowitz; Nice way to spend resources

01:28 schestowitz; devs get paid $0

01:28 schestowitz; hey, let's pay lawyers $300 per hour

01:28 matey; many years ago perens went on record saying the OSS was supposed to be only a stepping stone on the way to Free Software

01:29 matey; i read that letter (1999)

01:29 matey; he was of the personal impression that open source was that way

01:29 matey; and as a co-founder he had some reason at least, to know what open source was about

01:29 matey; but a year later he spoke as if he had been mistaken

01:30 matey; the whole thing is pretty confusing. it paints perens as innocent-- perhaps rightly so

01:30 matey; it gets more confusing when you look at pre-osi emails from perens on debian private

01:30 matey; im not saying that perens plotted against rms

01:30 matey; he has demonstrated integrity on a number of occasions and its only fair to consider those instance

01:31 matey; but... if we are willing to consider things we would rather not, for the sake of thoroughness

01:31 matey; he has also said many things that make it reasonable and plausible to imagine him getting sucked in to some kind of plot

01:31 matey; he also went back to osi after resigning

01:32 matey; short version: perens is difficult to figure out completely. he has two sides. im not saying hes two-faced, only that ive been unable to eliminate the possibility

01:32 matey; debian-private was an eye opener

01:32 TR News; ICBM Fedora "weekly Fedora report. Read what happened this week and whats coming up. Your contributions are welcome (see the end of the post)!" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fridays-fedora-facts-2022-11/

01:32 TR Bot; Friday's Fedora Facts: 2022-11 Fedora Community Blog

01:33 matey; i think perens would actually do himself a favour by being more open about his opinions. if he wasnt so quiet, we wouldnt have to guess.

01:33 TR News; "There is so much discussion about universal packaging formats on Linux. But the discussion always seems to be centered around which is better: Snaps or Flatpaks? It's almost like people don't realize that there is a third option...a BETTER option!" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Yk6kaaoTKmE

01:33 TR Bot; Keep Your Snaps and Flatpaks, I'll Take AppImages! - Invidious

01:33 TR News; Module, SBC, and mini-PC tap Rockchip RK3568 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162715

01:33 TR Bot; Module, SBC, and mini-PC tap Rockchip RK3568 | Tux Machines

01:33 matey; i dont think its ever going to happen. he only comments at all at periods of great upheavel before going quiet again, usually for years

01:34 matey; its hard to tell what open source was. perens was disappointed they lost the trademark on open source

01:34 schestowitz-TR; there is lots more in debian-private

01:34 matey; today open source is a weapon against free software

01:34 schestowitz-TR; yes

01:34 schestowitz-TR; not juat that

01:35 schestowitz-TR; it is a weapon against a long of thing

01:35 schestowitz-TR; OSI is half-owned by Microsoft

01:35 schestowitz-TR; or github

01:35 schestowitz-TR; it's a marketing hub of Microsoft

01:35 matey; no question

01:35 schestowitz-TR; and they need to be disbanded for that

01:35 schestowitz-TR; that's when Ptrick quit

01:35 schestowitz-TR; he too realised what OSI had become

01:35 matey; and deb joined!

01:36 schestowitz-TR; joined hands with bully db

01:36 schestowitz-TR; to change the OSD

01:36 schestowitz-TR; and FSD

01:36 matey; true

01:36 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/02/09/freesw-license-redefined/

01:36 TR Bot; GNOME Foundation and OSI Move on to Extend Phase Against the Free Software Definition (or Against Software Freedom) | Techrights

01:36 schestowitz; the stench... they've left

01:36 matey; yeah i remember that

01:36 schestowitz; but they also left these orgs bruised

01:36 schestowitz; just hours apart

01:36 schestowitz; this was coordinated

01:37 matey; im still not sure kuhn wants to change the fsd based o nwhat i just looked at

01:37 matey; that was my first impression, until i read more

01:37 schestowitz; because "ethics"

01:37 schestowitz; take money of ICE suppliers

01:37 matey; im not saying he wouldnt stoop to that level-- theres a difference between "would" and "has"

01:37 schestowitz; and then harp about social justice

01:37 matey; heres the thing...

01:37 schestowitz; while hiring trolls as staff

01:37 matey; depending how its done...

01:38 matey; it is inevitable for free software to get attached to other issues

01:38 matey; done the right way, it doesnt compromise free software

01:38 matey; the problem is, its more likely going to be done the wrong way (because there are more wrong ways than right ways)

01:38 matey; so its a real threat-- doubly so when kuhn is involved

01:38 matey; but its not a complete threat

01:39 matey; or i should say its not inherently a threat

01:39 matey; but the way theyre going about it, it most likely will be

01:39 matey; and its an old trick anyway

01:40 matey; i mean osi tried lots of times to add a lot of cruft to the very idea of free software

01:40 matey; useless stuff

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01:40 matey; so much that in some ways, this ethical source looks like "take two" of an old trope from osi

01:40 matey; even the original was years after perens resigned though

01:40 matey; im thinking 2007-2010

01:41 matey; it was around then they started saying its not really open source unless theres a community

01:41 TR News; Russell Coker: More About the Librem 5 https://etbe.coker.com.au/2022/03/19/more-librem5/

01:41 TR Bot; More About the Librem 5 etbe - Russell Coker

01:41 matey; and that was something microsoft and ibm have harped on a LOT for the past few years

01:41 matey; but osi was saying that 12 years ago

01:42 schestowitz-TR; yes, true..

01:42 schestowitz-TR; now they communitywash github

01:42 matey; to be free software, technically, only requires a free license. and no patent encumbering. etc.

01:42 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/github-drives-osi/

01:42 TR Bot; Another Rapid Escalation: Microsoft Now Runs the Open Source Initiatives Web Site, Promoting Proprietary Software in It | Techrights

01:42 schestowitz; microsoft IS the community

01:42 schestowitz; joins github

01:42 matey; now they communitywash github <- yes

01:42 schestowitz; be a setf

01:42 schestowitz; support the OSI

01:42 matey; corporations arent communities

01:42 schestowitz; by joining shithub

01:42 schestowitz; 250 000 dollars a year for clearlyMicrosoft

01:43 schestowitz; community http://techrights.org/2021/12/08/balabhadra-alex-graveley-arrest-warrant-and-affidavit/

01:43 TR Bot; [Teaser] Meet Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot, Balabhadra (Alex) Graveley (Updated) | Techrights

01:43 matey; clearlymicrosoft, josh simmons, osi, you dont hate him because hes attacking free software, you only hate him because hes gay

01:43 matey; (i didnt even know he was gay, and i wouldnt have cared if i knew)

01:44 schestowitz-TR; i did not know either

01:44 matey; yeah

01:44 schestowitz-TR; until he started using it

01:44 matey; maybe if he had a license plate that said "im gay" on it

01:44 matey; but it was the first id heard of it

01:46 matey; "youre only giving me a ticket because im gay" "no, im giving you a ticket because you were doing 80 in a 60 zone"

01:48 matey; as if you can tell someones preference by the way they drive (maybe theres an app for it)

01:49 matey; "hey youre going 80 between 7 and 10 pm, you probably prefer coke over pepsi!"

01:50 *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights

01:52 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/wikipedia-osi/

01:52 TR Bot; The Libel Initiative: OSI President Falsely Insinuates OSI Critics Are Homophobic and Requests Censorship of Wikipedia (for OSI) | Techrights

01:52 schestowitz; what he was doing is... a disservice to OSI

01:52 AdmFubar; https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/03/18/1750210/facebook-is-locking-out-people-who-didnt-activate-facebook-protect?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

01:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: slashdot.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/03/18/1750210/facebook-is-locking-out-people-who-didnt-activate-facebook-protect?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

01:52 TR Bot; Facebook is Locking Out People Who Didn't Activate Facebook Protect - Slashdot

01:53 schestowitz; he basically insinuated OSI is homosexuality

01:53 schestowitz; and thus, critics of the OSI

01:53 schestowitz; are in fact, homophobic

01:53 schestowitz; how does this help the OSI?

01:53 AdmFubar; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-defender-tags-office-updates-as-ransomware-activity/

01:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/microsoft-defender-tags-office-updates-as-ransomware-activity/

01:53 TR Bot; Microsoft Defender tags Office updates as ransomware activity

01:53 schestowitz; correct

01:54 schestowitz; it is malware

01:54 schestowitz; go microsoft

01:54 schestowitz; microsoft loves microsoft

01:54 matey; im waiting for microsoft defender to tag itself

01:56 schestowitz-TR; and take action without prompting the use

01:56 matey; "ransomware" i mean, it does threaten to remove access to documents unless you pay a fee, right?

01:56 schestowitz-TR; *user

01:56 matey; so close enough

01:56 schestowitz-TR; on a PC fast enough it would remove itself before you can see its warning

01:56 schestowitz-TR; like a black hole sucking itself in

01:57 matey; on a pc fast enough, windows would still slow it down

01:57 matey; because it has windows

01:57 schestowitz-TR; lol

01:57 matey; the faster the computer, the slower the os

01:57 schestowitz; "Fat operating systems spend most of their energy supporting their own fat."

01:57 matey; someday we will all be using the equivalent of a supercomputing cluster

01:57 AdmFubar; https://slashdot.org/story/22/03/15/2030255/peloton-got-trapped-in-its-trillion-dollar-fantasy?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

01:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: slashdot.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://slashdot.org/story/22/03/15/2030255/peloton-got-trapped-in-its-trillion-dollar-fantasy?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

01:57 TR Bot; Peloton Got Trapped in Its Trillion-Dollar Fantasy - Slashdot

01:57 matey; and windows would be slower than ever

01:57 schestowitz; -Nicholas Negroponte, MIT Media Lab, rediff.com, Apr 2006

01:57 schestowitz; he meant Windows

01:58 matey; negroponte, what a disappointment

01:58 matey; i read his book

01:58 schestowitz; olpc?

01:58 matey; yeah

01:58 schestowitz; denyponte wrote a book about it?

01:58 schestowitz; I did not hear

01:58 matey; no

01:58 matey; he wrote a book in 1995

01:58 schestowitz; anyway, they were subjverted from the inside

01:58 matey; yes

01:58 schestowitz; with XP bearing gifts

01:59 schestowitz-TR; this was Vista era

01:59 matey; they should have told them to go to hell

01:59 schestowitz-TR; Micrsooft did not even offer Vista

01:59 schestowitz-TR; XO is unheard of now

01:59 schestowitz-TR; Sugar

01:59 AdmFubar; https://torrentfreak.com/torguard-settles-piracy-lawsuit-and-agrees-to-block-torrent-traffic-on-u-s-servers-220314/

01:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/torguard-settles-piracy-lawsuit-and-agrees-to-block-torrent-traffic-on-u-s-servers-220314/

01:59 TR Bot; Settles Piracy Lawsuit and Agrees to Block Torrent Traffic on U.S. Servers * TorrentFreak

01:59 matey; its amusing now to consider who made the os for olpc

01:59 schestowitz-TR; matey: that would be homophobic

01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 278.81

01:59 matey; lol

2 AM, March 19

02:00 matey; yes, standing up to corporate tyranny usually is

02:00 matey; personally, im entirely in favour of all gay rights, except the gay right to corporate tyranny

02:00 matey; that one im very homophobic about

02:01 matey; call me a hater

02:01 schestowitz-TR; I foretold this to rianne

02:01 matey; i just dont think corporate tyranny is right

02:01 schestowitz-TR; we met ovr 10 years ago

02:01 schestowitz-TR; I said they'd try to associate me with some "phobia"

02:01 schestowitz-TR; because they always do that to others

02:02 schestowitz-TR; and indeed that's what happened later

02:02 matey; there was no point doing it to rms unless they were going to do it to everyone else

02:02 matey; because they knew people would defend him

02:02 matey; so they had to be ready to attack his defenders

02:02 matey; it was a given

02:02 schestowitz-TR; they painted oliva that way

02:03 schestowitz-TR; found out that like 30 years ago in college

02:03 schestowitz-TR; he relayed the typical "dumb blonde" jokes

02:03 schestowitz-TR; afaik, those don't even specify the blonde's gender

02:03 matey; 30 years in college, EVERYONE told dumb blonde jokes

02:03 schestowitz-TR; but this is how they put people on notice

02:03 schestowitz-TR; AOL era

02:03 schestowitz-TR; find some way to blackmail them

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02:04 schestowitz-TR; wb, CrystalMath

02:04 matey; they might as well say hes a sociopath because he was involved with *whispers* alt.deadbabyjokes

02:04 matey; its shocking to think about it now, but in the 1990s people still had a sense of humour

02:04 matey; /me shudders

02:04 TR News; "According to Istios support policy, minor releases like 1.11 are supported until six weeks after the N+2 minor release (1.13 in this case). Istio 1.13 was released on February 11th, and support for 1.11 will end on March 25th, 2022." https://istio.io/latest/news/support/announcing-1.11-eol/

02:04 TR Bot; Istio / Support for Istio 1.11 ends on March 25th, 2022

02:04 matey; people told jokes!

02:05 matey; granted no one will admit it now

02:05 matey; you end up hauled before a committee

02:05 matey; i think the statute of limitation on a blonde joke is way less than 30 years

02:05 schestowitz-TR; putting side,

02:05 schestowitz-TR; the culture of early Web

02:06 schestowitz-TR; and the nature of jokes passed via email chains

02:06 matey; but it doesnt have to be, hell we can reach back to his ancestors and get him for jokes THEY told

02:06 matey; i bet some of those were truly shocking!

02:06 schestowitz-TR; you do not even write trhe jokes yourself

02:06 schestowitz-TR; same with "yo momma so fat" jokes

02:06 matey; well yo momma so fat jokes are entirely different

02:06 matey; those are cultural appropriation.

02:06 TR News; windriver is not a linux company, but to keep up with the changing times.... https://www.windriver.com/services/linux

02:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: windriver.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windriver.com/services/linux

02:07 TR Bot; Wind River Studio Linux Services | Wind River

02:07 matey; i mean, carlin got away with it because he grew up in new york, you had to tell yo momma jokes or youd get beat up

02:07 TR News; GNOME Radio 16 for GNOME 42 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162716

02:07 TR Bot; GNOME Radio 16 for GNOME 42 | Tux Machines

02:07 matey; if you told yo momma jokes and enough people laughed, you got respect

02:08 matey; but today carlin would rightfully be exposed as a bully for telling jokes that kept people from beating him up

02:08 schestowitz-TR; it's "good" he died when he did

02:08 matey; because thats how the social justice inquisition works

02:08 schestowitz-TR; he would be lynched on stage

02:08 schestowitz-TR; for telling the same jokes he had said for decades

02:08 matey; he would have hanged himself if hed seen what things are like now

02:08 AdmFubar; https://www.geekwire.com/2022/silenced-no-more-bill-targeting-ndas-used-by-tech-companies-passes-in-washington-state/

02:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: geekwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.geekwire.com/2022/silenced-no-more-bill-targeting-ndas-used-by-tech-companies-passes-in-washington-state/

02:08 TR Bot; No More bill targeting NDAs used by tech companies passes in Washington state - GeekWire

02:08 schestowitz-TR; maybe rowan atkinson is also on the list

02:08 schestowitz-TR; after cleese

02:09 matey; for standing up to stupid laws

02:09 schestowitz-TR; and jerry seinfeld next in line with "kramer"

02:09 schestowitz-TR; humour is often based on mild offense

02:09 matey; kramer wasnt telling jokes, he really did go on a racist tirade

02:09 matey; he apologised, it was unconvincing

02:10 schestowitz-TR; yes, it was bad

02:10 matey; i feel a little bit bad for him, but it was career suicide, not murder

02:10 schestowitz-TR; i watched it, he totally lost it

02:10 matey; he was great in uhf

02:10 schestowitz-TR; jerry seinfeld did explain you cannot tell same jokes anymore

02:10 matey; its true

02:10 schestowitz-TR; esp. because the younger generation did not know how to handle them

02:10 schestowitz-TR; and that it was killing the profession

02:11 matey; dave chappelle explained the same thing (probabbly better than seinfeld)

02:11 schestowitz-TR; carlin always explored the taboos

02:11 matey; seinfeld is funny but hes not as much of a genius as chappelle

02:11 schestowitz-TR; that's what made it so funny

02:11 schestowitz-TR; soon they will be back to slapstick

02:11 schestowitz-TR; if that's not offensive to anyone... IF

02:11 matey; heres what will really happen

02:12 matey; the ultra-left will continue in their hypocrisy until theyre as exposed in their own bullshit as ben shapiro was when he told people to sell their houses to aquaman

02:12 matey; this terribly era of social chauvanism will end

02:12 matey; its a matter of when

02:12 matey; that doesnt mean we shouldnt fight it now-- only that if we do, we are guaranteed to win eventually

02:13 MinceR; when humans kill themselves off :>

02:13 MinceR; any year now

02:13 matey; thats your solution to everything :P

02:13 schestowitz-TR; yerah

02:13 MinceR; it's by far the most likely thing humans will do to themselves

02:13 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: putin is knocking

02:13 matey; mincers like hitler, just WAY more ambtious

02:13 schestowitz-TR; on poland's border

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02:13 matey; "i hate everybody, everyone in inferior!"

02:13 schestowitz-TR; knocking on eff-SHELLS

02:13 schestowitz-TR; sorry, I said shells

02:13 schestowitz-TR; I apologise

02:13 MinceR; no, i'm not doing the work for humanity

02:14 schestowitz-TR; that might traumatise some people

02:14 schestowitz-TR; *eff-shells

02:14 matey; true, hes very hands off about the "final solution" to humanity

02:14 schestowitz-TR; >> egg-shells

02:14 MinceR; humanity would not prove its own worthlessness that way :>

02:14 matey; hitler should have been so hands-off

02:14 MinceR; hitler was a bigot

02:14 matey; problem was he was a take-charge kind of guy

02:15 MinceR; and an authoritarian

02:15 matey; and mincers approach to the final solution is much more libertarian

02:15 schestowitz; George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MvgN5gCuLac

02:15 TR Bot; George Carlin Talks About "Stuff" - Invidious

02:15 matey; which is why its hilarious, in exactly the way that the third reich wasnt

02:17 matey; like hogans heroes

02:17 schestowitz-TR; matey: he hopes to get incarnated into a cat

02:17 schestowitz-TR; or a fox

02:17 schestowitz-TR; how many soulds do foxes have?

02:17 matey; mincer?

02:18 schestowitz-TR; yes,

02:18 matey; foxes were cool before mozilla

02:18 schestowitz-TR; autocomplete fails me a lot

02:18 MinceR; no, i hope to not be incarnated in this solar system ever again

02:18 schestowitz-TR; but not this time

02:18 MinceR; humans suck, 0/10, would not be born as a human again

02:18 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: which solar system do you prefer?

02:18 MinceR; one with no humans in it

02:19 MinceR; and instead with intelligent, civilized life

02:19 schestowitz-TR; "humans; no, would not recommend" -MinceR

02:19 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/jehovahs-witnesses-abusing-copyright-subpoena-process-to-unmask-critics/

02:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/jehovahs-witnesses-abusing-copyright-subpoena-process-to-unmask-critics/

02:19 TR Bot; Witnesses Abusing Copyright Subpoena Process To Unmask Critics | Techdirt

02:19 matey; cat was cool before linus torvalds

02:19 schestowitz-TR; Amazon review

02:19 matey; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/jehovahs-witnesses-abusing-copyright-subpoena-process-to-unmask-critics/ <- theyre asking for a south apark episode really

02:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/jehovahs-witnesses-abusing-copyright-subpoena-process-to-unmask-critics/

02:20 matey; be careful jws, you saw what happened to scientologists and mormons

02:20 matey; scientologists pulled exactly the same tactics, going after critics over copyright

02:20 matey; raiding peoples homes

02:21 schestowitz-TR; ICBM uses trademarks

02:21 matey; and sfc abuses them

02:21 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162717

02:21 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

02:22 schestowitz-TR; maybe one day they will twist critics of SFC as antisemitic

02:22 schestowitz-TR; let's wait and see

02:22 matey; i wonder how long this pretender to the throne business works for kuhn before open source eats him

02:22 schestowitz-TR; or as treansphobic

02:22 matey; i mean they kind of already shot that load with the letter

02:22 *schestowitz-TR shuffling computers today as the drive on the main laptop is dying

02:23 matey; but maybe they could do it again

02:23 schestowitz-TR; LF keeps portraying itself as protector of blacks

02:23 schestowitz-TR; it employs NONE

02:23 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/11/farmers-unions-right-to-repair-coalition-files-ftc-complaint-against-john-deere/

02:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/11/farmers-unions-right-to-repair-coalition-files-ftc-complaint-against-john-deere/

02:23 TR Bot; Unions, Right To Repair Coalition Files FTC Complaint Against John Deere | Techdirt

02:23 matey; farmers-unions-right-to-repair-coalition-files-ftc-complaint-against-john-deere/ <- sweet

02:24 schestowitz-TR; oh deere

02:24 matey; what kuhn is really calling for

02:25 matey; is the right of coders to strike

02:25 matey; but of course hes doing it in a ham-fisted trollish way

02:25 matey; that makes it unclear what hes talking about

02:25 matey; and makes for a bunch of opportunistic grandstanding, which overlooks the fact that-- SFC IS NOT A TRADE UNION

02:26 matey; there is a trade union which sfc is tied to unofficially though

02:26 matey; tech workers union in california

02:26 matey; actually

02:26 matey; i dont think theyre a trade union either

02:26 matey; theyre an umbrella org

02:26 matey; tech workers collective

02:26 matey; not union

02:27 matey; what sfc is to free software, twc is to unions

02:27 matey; they report, coordinate, act as an umbrella

02:28 matey; its not a bad thing in and of itself, but i think theyre closer to the businesses than the unions in their causes and tactics

02:28 schestowitz-TR; so yellow union

02:28 matey; basically thats my impression (newly formed, could be wrong)

02:28 schestowitz-TR; remember microsoft dealt with code-protestor by stealing a project

02:28 matey; the impression is newly formed

02:28 schestowitz-TR; in shithub

02:28 schestowitz-TR; a lot of peopel forgot that

02:28 matey; yeah i mean these are common tactics now

02:28 matey; and old-- decades, century, whatever

02:29 matey; the "tech" part is new

02:29 matey; the corporate tyranny part isnt

02:29 schestowitz-TR; microsoft is tech?!\

02:29 matey; loosely speaking.

02:29 matey; they buy tech, they sell tech, they pretend to create tech

02:30 schestowitz-TR; the mafia also pretends to have legit business activity

02:30 schestowitz-TR; does bill gates make vaccines?

02:30 schestowitz-TR; or does he hijacked institutions

02:30 schestowitz-TR; to help his patent investments in this pandemic thing?

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02:30 schestowitz-TR; they always say,

02:30 schestowitz-TR; mafia uses some businesses for "cover"

02:30 schestowitz-TR; starbucks attacks unions now

02:31 schestowitz-TR; and the founder came back just to attack them

02:31 schestowitz-TR; he is the creator of william gates and son

02:31 schestowitz-TR; made an empire on the "cover" is selling coff^H^H^Hambiance/lifestyle

02:32 matey; the mafia also pretends to have legit business activity <- the mafia has no monopoly on acting like the mafia, thats for sure

02:32 TR News; Duplicate detection in Techrights http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-180322.html#tMar%2018%2011:40:20

02:32 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 18, 2022

02:32 matey; when edison was in business, he acted the mafia. so did ford.

02:32 matey; and they were buddies

02:33 matey; starbucks attacks unions now <- theyre going to get pushback well before amazon

02:33 matey; starbucks has pushed about as far as it can go without losing

02:33 TR News; "they just jump to insane conclusions based on half-understanding" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180322.html#tMar%2018%2005:46:07

02:33 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 18, 2022

02:34 matey; in the wwii timeline theyre hiding in a bunker

02:34 TR News; "problematic is kuhns favourite word" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-180322.html#tMar%2018%2023:13:49

02:34 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 18, 2022

02:35 matey; /me waits for hitler reacts to starbucks attacking unions video

02:36 schestowitz-TR; [07:33] <techrights-news> Starbucks attacks society. Stop paying it anything. https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-brought-former-ceo-howard-schultz-back-to-union-bust-workers-say/

02:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-brought-former-ceo-howard-schultz-back-to-union-bust-workers-say/

02:36 TR Bot; Starbucks Brought Former CEO Howard Schultz Back to Union Bust, Workers Say

02:36 schestowitz-TR; [11:13] <techrights-news> When you buy anything from starbucks you hurt people and you legitimise other companies doing so too. So just boycott starbucks. https://truthout.org/articles/labor-board-finds-starbucks-illegally-retaliated-against-union-organizers/

02:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/labor-board-finds-starbucks-illegally-retaliated-against-union-organizers/

02:36 TR Bot; Labor Board Finds Starbucks Illegally Retaliated Against Union Organizers

02:36 MinceR; "9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9!"

02:36 schestowitz-TR; [09:20] <techrights-news> Starbucks an enemy of people https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/nlrb-complaint-accuses-starbucks-retaliating-against-union-leaders

02:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/nlrb-complaint-accuses-starbucks-retaliating-against-union-leaders

02:36 TR Bot; NLRB Complaint Accuses Starbucks of Retaliating Against Union Leaders

02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180322.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-180322.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-180322.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-180322.txt

02:37 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell-social and #techpol @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 18, 2022

02:37 schestowitz-TR; "socialising in starbucks" = "shelling for peace"

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02:38 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 18, 2022

02:39 matey; in germany, a "venti" is known as a zwanzig

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02:39 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 18, 2022

02:39 schestowitz-TR; twenty?

02:39 matey; every worker should have a union

02:39 schestowitz-TR; zventi?

02:39 matey; twenty? <- yes, but only as a joke

02:39 schestowitz-TR; cross-company unions are harder

02:39 schestowitz-TR; because the collective power is harder to leverage

02:40 TR News; Yesterday's #techbytes IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-180322.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techbytes-180322.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-techbytes-180322.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-techbytes-180322.txt

02:40 schestowitz-TR; unless all workers from some company join the same "syndicale"

02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 18, 2022

02:40 matey; so what kind of union do you think starbucks workers should belong to?

02:40 schestowitz-TR; their union

02:40 matey; it would be funny (but still a good idea) if there was like an international baristas of the world

02:40 schestowitz-TR; yeah

02:40 schestowitz-TR; that would be cool

02:41 schestowitz-TR; all workers in those business striking at the same time

02:41 matey; but it would take some major sucessess for people to stop laughing

02:41 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/google-hijacked-millions-of-customers-and-orders-from-restaurants-lawsuit-says/

02:41 TR Bot; Google hijacked millions of customers and orders from restaurants, lawsuit says | Ars Technica

02:41 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-03-18.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-03-18.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)

02:41 schestowitz-TR; Gulag also screwed useds of "free" things no

02:41 matey; /me looks up of theres a union for clowns (there probably is)

02:41 matey; every worker should have a union

02:41 schestowitz-TR; the 'free trial' mentality/mindset

02:41 schestowitz-TR; maybe some people think Gulag is a charity

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02:42 matey; http://artsatmichigan.umich.edu/ink/2022/02/18/clowns-have-a-union-and-i-think-thats-neat/

02:42 TR Bot; Clowns Have a Union (and I Think Thats Neat) arts, ink.

02:42 matey; clowns can unionise

02:42 schestowitz-TR; there is that saying,

02:42 schestowitz-TR; if you don't pay, you are the product

02:42 schestowitz-TR; I would extend that to

02:42 matey; im sure baristas can too

02:42 schestowitz-TR; if you are not paying

02:43 schestowitz-TR; you are not paying just yet

02:43 DaemonFC; https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/small-business/payment-app-taxes-form-1099k

02:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nerdwallet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/small-business/payment-app-taxes-form-1099k

02:43 schestowitz-TR; or the way you are paying is hidden from you

02:43 TR Bot; $600 or more on peer-to-peer apps? Expect a 1099-K - NerdWallet

02:43 DaemonFC; I heard a person complaining that her landlord was demanding the payments for rent be classified "friends and family" so he didn't have to report them.

02:43 DaemonFC; He was threatening to evict her after she continued putting it under "goods and services".

02:44 schestowitz-TR; what i the tax on rents in IL?

02:44 DaemonFC; She should have paid him "friends and family" and then wrote a letter to the IRS saying what he was having her do.

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02:45 DaemonFC; No tax for you, but the landlord was trying to evade his self-employment income taxes.

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02:45 AdmFubar; https://www.techradar.com/news/chinese-cpus-could-soon-give-intel-a-run-for-its-money

02:45 TR Bot; CPUs could soon give Intel a run for its money | TechRadar

02:45 DaemonFC; And believe me the IRS is interested in cheating of that scale.

02:45 schestowitz-TR; soon?

02:45 schestowitz-TR; Intel?

02:45 schestowitz-TR; first, Intel isn't the biggest seller, per unit

02:45 DaemonFC; Under-reporting your income by over 25% leads to ALL KINDS of penalties.

02:45 schestowitz-TR; second, chinese-made chips are common

02:46 schestowitz-TR; the brand might not be "chinese"

02:49 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Renters do pay taxes, they're just invisible.

02:50 DaemonFC; The state taxes the property, and they tax the landlord with income tax.

02:50 DaemonFC; So that's figured into your rent, obviously.

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02:52 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, So Paypal has anti-fraud algorithms that tell them when someone is abusing "friends and family" classification to run a business.

02:52 DaemonFC; Then they report those people to the IRS anyway.

02:53 DaemonFC; And they're in way deeper shit than just owing tax.

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03:01 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The "State of ILL" has an even better plan coming up.

03:02 DaemonFC; Soon there may be 8 rent control boards and tenants will have to pay an "affordable rent tax" to a board that decides how much rents can go up each year.

03:06 DaemonFC; There still are some chest freezers in Amazon Warehouse Deals.

03:06 DaemonFC; But it's "Acceptable".

03:07 DaemonFC; They sold mom a "Like New" portable washing machine that someone ran a forklift into, forks first.

03:07 DaemonFC; :)

03:08 matey; that deal wont hold water

03:15 DaemonFC; She got a refund for it but then hooked it up before she threw it out.

03:15 DaemonFC; It worked for a few months.

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03:48 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/th0i5u/suicide_rates_in_young_men_and_women_by_country_oc/

03:48 TR Bot; Suicide Rates in Young Men and Women by Country [OC] : dataisbeautiful

03:48 DaemonFC; Those suicide rates in North Korea and China look like someone asked the government in North Korea and in China.

03:49 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/thb814/yeah_sure_why_not/

03:49 TR Bot; Yeah sure, Why not. : Piracy

03:49 DaemonFC; Netflix prices have doubled since 2017.

03:51 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/tgseu2/statebacked_piracy_ladies_and_gentlemen/

03:51 TR Bot; State-backed piracy ladies and gentlemen. : Piracy

03:51 DaemonFC; Russian companies are pirating the logos of all the stuff that pulled out.

03:52 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/tg832n/android_authority_asked_its_readers_would_they/

03:52 TR Bot; Android Authority asked it's readers would they subscribe to YouTube Premium now that Vanced is gone, the overwhelming majority of respondents (~93%) said they wont be subscribing to YouTube Premium : Piracy

03:52 DaemonFC; 93% of respondents said they definitely won't be subscribing to "YouTube Premium" now that YouTube Vanced is gone.

03:53 DaemonFC; I really hope NewPipe is smart enough to move off of GitHub because it's only a matter of time.

03:53 DaemonFC; Goolag has gone after everything that accesses YouTube in some way that doesn't make you want to rip out your hair.

03:55 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/tgb84y/aparently_russia_wont_be_piracyland_the_ministry/

03:55 TR Bot; Aparently Russia won't be piracy-land: "The Ministry of Industry and Trade abandoned the idea to allow the use of pirated software for government customers affected by sanctions" : Piracy

03:55 DaemonFC; The first comment says the only thing the government in Russia cared about as far as piracy was Microsoft and "1c" and now they won't care at all.

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07:05 TR News; #HowTo fix VMware Modconfig can not continue Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162718

07:05 TR Bot; How to fix VMware Modconfig can not continue | Tux Machines

07:12 TR News; xkcd: Advanced Techniques https://xkcd.com/2595/ #xkcd

07:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2595/

07:12 TR Bot; Advanced Techniques

07:13 TR News; #HowTo Install Jitsi Meet desktop on Debian 11 https://www.atechtown.com/install-jitsi-meet-on-debian-11/

07:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: atechtown.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.atechtown.com/install-jitsi-meet-on-debian-11/

07:13 TR Bot; How to Install Jitsi Meet desktop on Debian 11

07:15 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Friday, March 18, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/irc-log-180322/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/19/irc-log-180322/

07:15 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Friday, March 18, 2022 | Techrights

07:19 TR News; "Linuxiac is accessible from Argentina again!" http://lxer.com/module/forums/t/36789/

07:19 TR Bot; Linuxiac.com inaccessible to some countries?: LXer Meta Forum

07:21 TR News; "Makes me think modern tech is massively narcissistic, essentially unhappy unless the star for better, or for much, MUCH worse...." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/846

07:24 TR News; They are only rich because of taxpayers https://www.etonline.com/hollywood-helping-ukraine-meghan-markle-and-prince-harrys-archewell-foundation-sends-aid-180546

07:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: etonline.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.etonline.com/hollywood-helping-ukraine-meghan-markle-and-prince-harrys-archewell-foundation-sends-aid-180546

07:24 TR Bot; Meghan Markle and Prince Harry's Archewell Foundation Is Sending Aid to Ukraine | Entertainment Tonight

07:25 TR News; Quit calling every computer program "Hey Hi" https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/china_go_player_ai/

07:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/china_go_player_ai/

07:25 TR Bot; Chinese Go Association suspends player 'for using AI' The Register

07:26 TR News; Even hardware is being marketed as "Hey Hi" https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/google_deep_learning_chip_design/

07:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/google_deep_learning_chip_design/

07:26 TR Bot; Google uses deep learning to design faster, smaller AI chips The Register

07:28 TR News; Incitement leads to sabotage https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/protestware_javascript_node_ipc/

07:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/protestware_javascript_node_ipc/

07:28 TR Bot; JavaScript library updated to wipe files from Russia systems The Register

07:30 TR News; "mod_sed is an Apache module that provides the same functionality as GNU's stream editor tool, sed, allowing the manipulation of streams." https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/JFROG-LTD-112440355/news/JFrog-Diving-into-CVE-2022-23943-ndash-a-new-Apache-memory-corruption-vulnerability-39798430/

07:30 TR Bot; : Diving into CVE-2022-23943 a new Apache memory corruption vulnerability | MarketScreener

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07:31 TR News; "Microsoft's security team"???? Microsoft puts BACK DOORS in things! https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/microsoft_trickbot_scanner/ puff piece slanting the PROBLEM as the "solution" http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA

07:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/microsoft_trickbot_scanner/

07:32 TR Bot; Open-source scanner for detecting Trickbot-hijacked routers The Register

07:32 TR Bot; Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights

07:33 TR News; Does EU still tackle Microsoft crimes? https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/ovhcloud_microsoft_complaint/ see http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/

07:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/ovhcloud_microsoft_complaint/

07:33 TR Bot; OVHcloud lodges antitrust complaint against Microsoft The Register

07:33 TR Bot; EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights

07:34 TR News; In order to fake 'growth' more things get classified as "Hey Hi" https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/idc_ai_funding/

07:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/idc_ai_funding/

07:34 TR Bot; US companies to spend $120bn on AI by 2025, says IDC The Register

07:37 TR News; Kerala CM releases KITEs new FOSS based Operating System suite http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162681#comment-33107

07:37 TR Bot; kite: Upgraded Kite Os Suite Released | Tux Machines

07:38 TR News; "The CNIPA on February 23 confirmed companies' subsidiaries as ineligible to be respondents to answer petitions in administrative patent cases, in the country's top IP authority's reply to the Zhejiang Intellectual Property Administration published on its official website." https://www.mondaq.com/china/trademark/1172860/afd-china-newsletter--march-2022

07:38 TR Bot; AFD China Newsletter - March 2022 - Intellectual Property - China

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07:52 TR News; The Register keeps using International Data Corporation (IDC) like an authority (several examples of it this past week) despite its profound conflict of interest. http://techrights.org/wiki/IDC

07:52 TR Bot; IDC - Techrights

07:53 TR News; Kahoot is in cahoots with Microsoft, helping to push PROPRIETARY software instead of actually teaching people something useful https://venturebeat.com/2022/03/13/eilert-hanoa-interview-why-the-kids-education-market-is-booming/

07:53 TR Bot; Hanoa interview: Why the kids education market is booming | VentureBeat

07:57 TR News; Shortages https://www.channelweb.co.uk/news/4046610/ocf-boss-reflects-bleeding-edge-hpc-market

07:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: channelweb.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.channelweb.co.uk/news/4046610/ocf-boss-reflects-bleeding-edge-hpc-market

07:57 TR Bot; OCF boss reflects on 20 years at 'bleeding edge' of HPC market

07:59 TR News; TeamViewer AG would then squeeze users even MORE. Time to move to Free software. https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/TEAMVIEWER-AG-66480659/news/TeamViewer-AG-TeamViewer-intends-to-convert-into-European-stock-corporation-SE-39751760/

07:59 TR Bot; AG: TeamViewer intends to convert into European stock corporation (SE) | MarketScreener

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08:02 TR News; "Valve has implemented system-wide limiters to limit the TDP from 3-15W at a push of a button as well as the option to set a manual fixed GPU clock or even artificially limit the frame rate to 30 FPS across the board." https://wccftech.com/review/steam-deck-portable-console-for-power-users/

08:02 TR Bot; Steam Deck Review - A Portable Console For Power Users

08:06 TR News; So send the kids on their own? Or is this journey a trick to bait adults into overpaying for tickets? https://www.northantslive.news/news/northamptonshire-news/kids-travel-northampton-london-just-6805984

08:06 TR Bot; Kids travel from Northampton to London for just 1 this half term - Northants Live

08:09 TR News; Company called Gentoo, homes that explode because of faulty gas lines? https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/sunderland-gas-explosion-man-critical-23320575 https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/people/man-still-in-hospital-as-probe-into-suspected-sunderland-gas-blast-continues-3599877

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08:09 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/sunderland-gas-explosion-man-critical-23320575 )

08:09 TR Bot; ROKER EXPLOSION: Injured man still in hospital as probe into suspected Sunderland gas blast continues | Sunderland Echo

08:10 TR News; Humans who can afford this are usually pigs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60708120

08:10 TR Bot; Xenotransplantation: Are pigs the future of organ transplants? - BBC News

08:12 TR News; "A free alternative is installing a Linux distribution such as Ubuntu, Manjaro or others." https://www.choice.com.au/electronics-and-technology/computers/desktop-and-laptop-computers/articles/is-building-your-own-pc-worth-it

08:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: choice.com.au | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.choice.com.au/electronics-and-technology/computers/desktop-and-laptop-computers/articles/is-building-your-own-pc-worth-it

08:12 TR Bot; Is building your own PC worth it for non-gamers? | CHOICE

08:13 TR News; "Pine64s announcement also delved into the vexed issue of pricing, with the board likely to retail north of $300, putting it out of Raspberry Pi competitor territory. The manufacturer hasnt yet settled on a price-point, but it is likely to be sold at cost or even subsidized." https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/quartzpro64-board-rk3588

08:13 TR Bot; Pine64 Announce Rockchip RK3588 Powered QuartzPro64 Development Board | Tom's Hardware

08:15 TR News; "tech rights experts we are talking to warn that this knee jerk reaction must translate into serious policy change" https://www.codastory.com/newsletters/ukraine-information-war/

08:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: codastory.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.codastory.com/newsletters/ukraine-information-war/

08:15 TR Bot; Putin's invasion of Ukraine changed everything, especially the information war - Coda Story

08:16 TR News; "What worries Ressa, along with many other tech rights advocates, is that de-platforming continues to look like a knee-jerk reaction to a crisis rather than a thought-out change of policy." https://www.codastory.com/newsletters/putin-fake-news/

08:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: codastory.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.codastory.com/newsletters/putin-fake-news/

08:16 TR Bot; No off ramp for Putin as Ukraine burns - Coda Story

08:16 TR News; "The history of computing could arguably be divided into three eras: that of mainframes, minicomputers, and microcomputers. Minicomputers provided an important bridge between the first mainframes and the ubiquitous micros of today." https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/03/a-brief-tour-of-the-pdp-11-the-most-influential-minicomputer-of-all-time/

08:17 TR Bot; A brief tour of the PDP-11, the most influential minicomputer of all time | Ars Technica

08:18 TR News; Microsoft Windows: Where all the fun is. For the "baddies"... https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/769802/activatorexe-popups-and-stolen-crypto-funds-from-metamask/

08:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/769802/activatorexe-popups-and-stolen-crypto-funds-from-metamask/

08:18 TR Bot; Activator.exe popups and stolen crypto funds from MetaMask - Virus, Trojan, Spyware, and Malware Removal Help

08:19 TR News; "JEP 422, Linux/RISC-V Port, has been promoted from Candidate to Proposed to Target for JDK 19. This JEP proposes to port the JDK to Linux/RISC-V, a free and open-source RISC instruction set architecture." https://www.infoq.com/news/2022/03/java-news-roundup-mar07-2022/

08:19 TR Bot; Java News Roundup: JDK 19 and Jakarta EE 10 Updates, Ansynch and Buffered Logging by Amazon Corretto

08:21 TR News; So Linux has some privilege escalation flaws; meanwhile, Microsoft has remotely-exploitable flaws that require no account on the target https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4046533/security-bug-linux-kernel-netfilter-attackers-gain-root-access

08:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: computing.co.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.computing.co.uk/news/4046533/security-bug-linux-kernel-netfilter-attackers-gain-root-access

08:21 TR Bot; Security bug in Linux kernel netfilter lets attackers gain root access

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08:27 bnchs; https://github.com/RIAEvangelist/node-ipc

08:27 TR Bot; - RIAEvangelist/node-ipc: Inter Process Communication Module for node supporting Unix sockets, TCP, TLS, and UDP. Giving lightning speed on Linux, Mac, and Windows. Neural Networking in Node.JS

08:28 bnchs; "Thanks for all the free pizza, and thanks to all the police that showed up to SWAT me. They were really nice fellas"

08:31 TR News; The media is full of inflammatory lies. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/apple-microsoft-top-list-of-most-ethical-tech-companies/ criminals are "most ethical" https://www.techrepublic.com/article/apple-microsoft-top-list-of-most-ethical-tech-companies/

08:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/apple-microsoft-top-list-of-most-ethical-tech-companies/

08:31 TR Bot; Microsoft top list of most ethical tech companies | TechRepublic

08:32 bnchs; brandon is getting pizzabombed and SWATted

08:32 TR News; Firms that say Microsoft is "most ethical" are themselves unethical and corrupt. They get paid to say exactly the OPPOSITE of what's true.

08:34 TR News; Apple @ Work: Windows file shares are still buggy on macOS https://9to5mac.com/2022/03/12/windows-file-shares-are-still-buggy-on-macos-its-time-to-fix-it-once-and-for-while/ use GNU/Linux instead

08:34 TR Bot; @ Work: Windows file shares are still buggy on macOS; it's time to fix it once and for all - 9to5Mac

08:35 TR News; This week in KDE: Back to those 15-minute bugs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162719

08:35 TR Bot; This week in KDE: Back to those 15-minute bugs | Tux Machines

08:37 TR News; Microsoft shipping malware again https://www.itnews.com.au/news/protestware-npm-package-dependency-labelled-supply-chain-attack-577488

08:37 TR Bot; 'Protestware' npm package dependency labelled supply-chain attack - Security - iTnews

08:39 TR News; Whats the Fuss About GNOMEs Libadwaita Library in Linux World? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162720

08:39 TR Bot; What's the Fuss About GNOME's Libadwaita Library in Linux World? | Tux Machines

08:39 TR News; Why academia chooses open source Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162721

08:39 TR Bot; Why academia chooses open source | Tux Machines

08:40 bnchs; "protestware"

08:40 bnchs; wtf is protestware

08:42 schestowitz-TR; see?

08:42 schestowitz-TR; when russia does it

08:43 schestowitz-TR; it's criminals

08:43 schestowitz-TR; "hackers"

08:43 schestowitz-TR; malware

08:43 schestowitz-TR; cyberattack

08:43 schestowitz-TR; when a usian does it

08:43 schestowitz-TR; deleting people's files

08:43 schestowitz-TR; not even locking them for money, just sabotaging them

08:43 schestowitz-TR; that is "protest"

08:44 TR News; "I've started learning about the Julia language. I think it's like a faster python. Of course, to get fast python programs, you need to write a fast C++ code, or call Fortran linear algebra libraries etc. But it seems Julia is as easy as python but fast as C++." gemini://tilde.team/~steve/blog/2022-03-18.gmi

08:46 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162722

08:46 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

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08:49 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: You're somewhat ignoring the power dynamic

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08:50 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: When a country that is invading another country attempts to hack, that's aggression

08:50 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: When people attempt to defend the country that's being invaded, it's harder to describe that as aggression

08:50 bnchs; defend as in?

08:51 bnchs; overwriting people's files if their IP gets flagged as russia?

08:51 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: I don't think this action was justified, but it's not unreasonable to use different terms to describe different things

08:51 mjg59_; bnchs: Hey, war crimes can be defensive

08:51 mjg59_; It doesn't mean they're justifiable

08:52 bnchs; yeah well

08:52 bnchs; but i guess this guy got what he deserved

08:52 mjg59_; But we do use different words to describe them

08:53 mjg59_; Not going to defend this guy at all

08:53 mjg59_; Only pointing out that there's no inherent hypocrisy in using different terms to describe it compared to Russian attacks on Ukraine internet infrastructure

08:54 bnchs; yeah i would like to see these russian attacks on ukraine internet infrastructure

08:55 TR News; Proprietary software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/19/gas-pumps-insecure-typical-router/

08:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/19/gas-pumps-insecure-typical-router/

08:55 TR Bot; Gas pumps happen to be about as insecure as your typical router - CNX Software

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08:56 TR News; Fernando Cassia back in the media https://www.techradar.com/features/chrome-os-a-better-linux-than-linux-so-you-can-forget-about-windows

08:56 TR Bot; OS: A better Linux than Linux so you can forget about Windows | TechRadar

08:57 IPFS; 279.03

08:57 schestowitz-TR; the media muddled the fact that many of these attacks targeted Windows in Ukraine

08:57 schestowitz-TR; some crooks from Microsoft planted puff pieces

08:58 schestowitz-TR; portraying Microsoft as the response team

08:58 schestowitz-TR; after they themselves contributes to the chaos

08:59 mjg59_; Everyone is bad at writing secure software

08:59 mjg59_; Microsoft is not uniquely bad in this respect

08:59 schestowitz-TR; not everyone does back doors

08:59 mjg59_; Point at the back doors

08:59 schestowitz-TR; NSA leaks

9 AM, March 19

09:00 bnchs; microsoft still has unpatched holes with only a workaround

09:00 bnchs; like seriousSAM

09:01 schestowitz-TR; shadowbrokers

09:01 mjg59_; Point at a specific back door

09:01 bnchs; this hole has to do with the shadow volume's file permissions on system files being more permissive than the regular system files

09:02 schestowitz-TR; mjg59_: you wrote one

09:02 schestowitz-TR; for Microsoft

09:02 bnchs; thus you can access some of the sensitive stuff like SAM file on the shadow volume (without admin)

09:02 schestowitz-TR; in 'Linux'

09:02 mjg59_; News to me

09:02 schestowitz-TR; letting them and the NSA brick machines or prevent boots

09:02 schestowitz-TR; anyway, I owe you nothing

09:02 schestowitz-TR; you waste time

09:03 mjg59_; Ok you make claims you can't justify

09:03 mjg59_; You're within your rights to do so

09:03 mjg59_; Just as I am to point them out

09:04 bnchs; how about indirectly letting the gov discover security flaws in windows

09:04 bnchs; by giving them the source code to windows

09:04 bnchs; this is how they work

09:05 mjg59_; But if you want to claim that the NSA could brick my laptop then you should be able to describe the mechanism

09:05 bnchs; so that they can keep knowledge of this flaw in their database

09:05 mjg59_; bnchs: Shit wait until you hear what these Linux people let the government look at

09:05 bnchs; mjg59_, the difference is windows's source code is not publicly available

09:05 mjg59_; bnchs: But amazingly what evidence shows us is that source code availability doesn't seem to correlate with vulnerability discovery

09:06 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162723

09:06 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

09:06 bnchs; yeah

09:06 bnchs; but with the source code

09:06 bnchs; it makes it easier

09:06 mjg59_; bnchs: Which is a surprising result! But binaries turn out to be easy to analyse and show you what the compiler thought while compiling the source, which looking at source doesn't tell you

09:07 bnchs; binaries are not as easy

09:07 bnchs; they're stripped from their debug symbols

09:07 mjg59_; Windows has publicly available debug symbols

09:07 TR News; Hardly surprising that those choosing proprietary GitHub and C# won't pay attention to anything other than Windows (with just 30% of the market) https://medevel.com/journaley/

09:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/journaley/

09:07 TR Bot; Journaley is an open-source, free Journaling app for Windows

09:08 bnchs; its not the full debug symbols

09:08 mjg59_; I'm literally right now reverse engineering the Microsoft Pluton driver with their public debug symbols

09:08 bnchs; ok if it was that easy

09:08 TR News; The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724

09:08 TR Bot; The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines

09:08 bnchs; then why does wine have to do things manually

09:10 bnchs; nevermind

09:10 mjg59_; Because wine doesn't want to do binary reverse engineering because of potential IP issues

09:10 bnchs; yeah

09:11 bnchs; or what about clean room reverse engineering

09:11 bnchs; have someone read the source code and document its functions and what it does

09:11 bnchs; and give it to a developer

09:11 bnchs; maybe a lawyer first

09:12 mjg59_; It's easier to just run apps under Windows and see what they do

09:12 mjg59_; Clean room engineering is preferable when you have a large codebase to implement with no docs

09:12 mjg59_; If you have incomplete docs, it's easier to implement things according to the docs and then try to infer the difference in behaviour

09:13 mjg59_; When I was figuring out Windows ACPI behaviour, I modified qemu to give me more information about what Windows was doing and ran unmodified Windows

09:13 mjg59_; Faster and no legal concerns

09:13 bnchs; yeah

09:13 TR News; Sayak Boral is still boosting Microsoft. Vista 11 is WORSE than Vista 10. It comes with ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS. https://www.maketecheasier.com/check-windows-11-compatibility/ no wonder it is failing. http://techrights.org/2022/01/26/microsoft-delighted-by-failure/

09:13 TR Bot; The Ultimate Guide to Check Windows 11 Compatibility with Your PC - Make Tech Easier

09:13 TR Bot; Microsoft Delighted by Windows 11 (Vista 11) Usage, Which is Only 1% Three Months After Official Launch and Six Months After Release Online | Techrights

09:14 bnchs; i've never reverse engineered anything other than a few file formats

09:19 TR News; EasyOS Dunfell-series 3.4.3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162725

09:19 TR Bot; EasyOS Dunfell-series 3.4.3 | Tux Machines

09:20 TR News; "Online jerks and offline jerks are largely one and the same. Heres how to keep them from affecting your happiness." https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/03/how-to-manage-cyberbullying-internet-trolls/627084/

09:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theatlantic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/03/how-to-manage-cyberbullying-internet-trolls/627084/

09:20 TR Bot; How to Deal With Trolls - The Atlantic

09:21 TR News; US as perpetrator of cyberattacks and technical sabotage https://www.news18.com/news/tech/nopen-season-china-once-again-accuses-us-nsa-of-cyber-espionage-says-found-spying-tool-4877759.html

09:21 TR Bot; NOPEN Season: China Once Again Accuses US NSA of Cyber Espionage, Says Found Spying Tool

09:23 TR News; US government sabotaging Linux https://www.plenglish.com/news/2022/03/15/china-detects-spy-virus-developed-by-the-us/ see Beijing, Mar 15 (Prensa Latina) China detected a virus designed by the United States National Security Agency to carry out espionage activities and access sensitive information on the computers of its victims, the local press reported.

09:23 TR Bot; China detects spy virus developed by the US - Prensa Latina

09:24 TR News; Confirmed by Nils Torvalds: NSA Asked Linus Torvalds for Back Doors in Linux, Torvalds Did Not Tell Us Techrights http://techrights.org/2013/11/17/nils-torvalds-on-back-doors/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2013/11/17/nils-torvalds-on-back-doors/

09:24 TR Bot; Confirmed by Nils Torvalds: NSA Asked Linus Torvalds for Back Doors in Linux, Torvalds Did Not Tell Us | Techrights

09:24 TR News; Hardware is being marketed as "Hey Hi" https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/cerebras_ai_chips/

09:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/cerebras_ai_chips/

09:24 TR Bot; Cerebras brings CS-2 system to data analysis biz nference The Register

09:25 TR News; "Awhile ago I posted a "retroish theme" for the Midnight. It's light-on-dark, with reddish highlights and a couple text effects (mainly scanlines and some glow), and uses a console-style font (Inconsolata)." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/847

09:27 TR News; "Until last week, when it emerged that Western spy agencies were investigating a large-scale satellite broadband outage affecting satellite communications provider Viasat, which began on 24 February the day Russia invaded Ukraine." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/viasat_rosneft_ukraine_cyberattacks/

09:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/viasat_rosneft_ukraine_cyberattacks/

09:27 TR Bot; Viasat, Rosneft hit by cyberattacks The Register

09:28 Techrights-sec; SFC attackes Freedom 0 : http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-180322.html#tMar%2018%2022:58:12

09:28 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 18, 2022

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09:29 TR News; "My country's internet suffers from overseas cyber attacks" https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/china_attackers_with_us_ips/

09:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/china_attackers_with_us_ips/

09:29 TR Bot; China claims US IPs used to attack it, Russia and Ukraine The Register

09:30 TR News; That would just help Russia, not harm Russia https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/ukraine_president_top_software_end_russia_support/

09:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/ukraine_president_top_software_end_russia_support/

09:30 TR Bot; Zelenskyy asks Big Software to stop support in Russia The Register

09:31 TR News; The cost of using Microsoft in Ukraine; this article uses Microsoft proxies to distract from the role played by Windows https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/cyberciminals_russia_ukraine/

09:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/cyberciminals_russia_ukraine/

09:31 TR Bot; Ukraine invasion opens political rift between cybercriminals The Register

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09:35 TR News; No, Microsoft shipping malware does not "Expose Open Source Risks"; Microsoft and GitHub are proprietary software https://www.darkreading.com/application-security/recent-code-sabotage-incident-latest-to-highlight-code-dependency-risks

09:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: darkreading.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.darkreading.com/application-security/recent-code-sabotage-incident-latest-to-highlight-code-dependency-risks

09:36 TR Bot; Code-Sabotage Incident in Protest of Ukraine War Exposed Open Source Risks

09:36 TR News; Incitement leads to sabotage; this one shipped by Microsoft

09:36 TR News; Microsoft shipping malware again; media blames everyone but Microsoft

09:37 TR News; "Packt recently sent me a review copy of their new machine learning book, Machine Learning with PyTorch and Scikit-Learn..." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bwQdE_Mkxlg

09:37 TR Bot; Book Review: Machine Learning with PyTorch and Scikit-Learn - Invidious

09:38 TR News; Yeah, I'm sure this really, REALLY hurts Putin https://www.rangefinderonline.com/news-features/industry-news/how-photo-industry-companies-are-helping-ukraine/

09:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: rangefinderonline.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rangefinderonline.com/news-features/industry-news/how-photo-industry-companies-are-helping-ukraine/

09:38 TR Bot; How Photo Industry Companies are Helping as the War in Ukraine Rages On | Rangefinder

09:38 TR News; "Nils Schmid, a member of Germanys Parliament and a foreign policy spokesman for the Social Democratic Party, was explaining to me what a minor role the military plays in his countrys politics." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/opinion/germany-ukraine-invasion.html still armed and dangerous

09:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/opinion/germany-ukraine-invasion.html

09:38 TR Bot; Opinion | We Live in a Different World Now: Dispatch From a Changed Germany - The New York Times

09:39 matey; Techrights-sec: while thats still most likely true, i did read the rest of that article of kuhns

09:39 matey; and most of the article is not as bad as it looked at first

09:39 matey; i will never trust kuhns intentions or approve of his tactics, but the article itself is for the most part benign

09:40 matey; if it turns into an attack on freedom 0 i wont be surprised

09:40 matey; in fact it looks like a prelude to that-- towards an ethical licensing etc etc

09:40 TR News; This is a VERY bad thing https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/ukraine-clearview-facial-recognition-war/

09:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/ukraine-clearview-facial-recognition-war/

09:40 TR Bot; Controversial Clearview AI tech used by Ukraine, says CEO The Register

09:40 matey; still most of the article actually refutes ethical licensing

09:40 matey; and then says "but lets have a second code of conduct"

09:40 TR News; Ukraines Architectural Treasures Face Destruction - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/travel/ukraine-architecture-war.html

09:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/travel/ukraine-architecture-war.html

09:40 TR Bot; Ukraines Architectural Treasures Face Destruction - The New York Times

09:41 matey; in there, theres still a chance my first impression is correct

09:41 matey; "but lets have a second code of conduct" <- heavily paraphrased

09:41 matey; actually, it creates an interesting dilemma

09:42 TR News; Oligarchs use Russian invasion to sell the illusion oligarchy cares for humans https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/supportukrainenow-lessons-from-young-people-humanitarian-response/

09:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: weforum.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/supportukrainenow-lessons-from-young-people-humanitarian-response/

09:42 TR Bot; Lessons from young people on how to organise a humanitarian response | World Economic Forum

09:42 matey; the things a community will do is decided per community in his proposal, not per author?

09:43 matey; if you start out with a crazy (and divisive) example like helping an abortion clinic

09:43 schestowitz-TR; context matters

09:43 schestowitz-TR; in fosdem, they already gagged ibm critics

09:43 matey; its easier to go from there to think of situations where you have something the size of say, debian, and theyre deciding what ethics

09:43 schestowitz-TR; so you know sfc is in it for the money

09:44 schestowitz-TR; and fosdem is europe

09:44 schestowitz-TR; unlikes the sfc and others who monopolised the legal tracks

09:44 schestowitz-TR; all from the us

09:44 matey; schestowitz-TR: if im looking for reasons to not trust sfc, theres a lifetimes supply

09:44 matey; i dont trust sfc

09:44 schestowitz-TR; tell them about ethics

09:44 schestowitz-TR; and ask them about many ibm abuses

09:44 schestowitz-TR; they will gag you or change the subject

09:44 matey; we have the same concerns here

09:44 schestowitz-TR; they know where the money is

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09:45 schestowitz-TR; and usually, historically, money was in helping the oppressor/s

09:45 matey; all im saying is that on a more thorough read of the article, the article itself is closer to benign than i thought

09:45 matey; im sure my original concerns are still warranted

09:45 matey; some of the specific reasons i had for them i may have overreacted at first

09:46 matey; if you remove those, i still have plenty of justification for my concerns

09:46 matey; in other words, this is more about the context-- and LESS about the article

09:46 matey; there is at least one proposal in there that could go very very wrong

09:47 matey; its too late for kuhn to be the next rms anyway

09:47 matey; he will still try

09:48 matey; he will draw open source closer to him and they will eat him like they usually do

09:48 matey; but 5 years, 10 years, i dont know

09:48 matey; schestowitz-TR: one thing im curious about is that mjg59_ still chats here

09:49 matey; does that mean your legal "battle" is over?

09:49 matey; i presume it was dismissed

09:58 matey; at any rate, its hard to imagine his lawyer NOT advising him to stay out of chat until it is settled / dismissed whatever

10 AM, March 19

10:07 TR News; ATMs are typically compromised due to Windows, so Microsoft boosting sites issue headlines like these, instead https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-unix-rootkit-used-to-steal-atm-banking-data/

10:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-unix-rootkit-used-to-steal-atm-banking-data/

10:07 TR Bot; New Unix rootkit used to steal ATM banking data

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10:13 TR News; Open Source in Entertainment: How the Academy Software Foundation Creates Shared Value Research Paper Released https://www.awn.com/news/open-source-entertainment-how-academy-software-foundation-creates-shared-value-research-paper not so open source http://techrights.org/2022/03/15/lfresearch_aswf_report/

10:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: awn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.awn.com/news/open-source-entertainment-how-academy-software-foundation-creates-shared-value-research-paper

10:13 TR Bot; Open Source in Entertainment: How the Academy Software Foundation Creates Shared Value Research Paper Released | Animation World Network

10:13 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Research ASWF Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights

10:15 TR News; Privacy lapses and loophole for EPO to grant software patents https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-08481-w

10:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nature.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-08481-w

10:15 TR Bot; Research on integrated simulation platform for urban traffic control connecting simulation and practice | Scientific Reports

10:15 TR News; poisoning

10:15 TR News; "If there was ever a reason to think data poisoning could fool facial-recognition software, a recently published paper showed that reasoning is bunk." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/research_finds_data_poisoning_cant/

10:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/research_finds_data_poisoning_cant/

10:15 TR Bot; Data poisoning can't beat facial recognition research The Register

10:22 TR News; "Humble Bundle has jumped in to help Ukraine now too, with a pretty amazing bundle full of games and 100% goes to charity. Launched late last night, it's already hit over $3 million." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/humble-have-a-stand-with-ukraine-bundle-with-100-going-to-charity/

10:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/humble-have-a-stand-with-ukraine-bundle-with-100-going-to-charity/

10:22 TR Bot; have a Stand with Ukraine Bundle with 100% going to charity | GamingOnLinux

10:23 TR News; Of course Intel outsourced Sound Open Firmware to Microsoft proprietary software. Intel is infested with Microsoft operatives who undermine Linux and Free software/GNU. http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks

10:23 TR Bot; Intel leaks - Techrights

10:25 TR News; Microsoft Windows helps Russia attack nations digitally https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/russia-attack-ngo-mfa-printnightmare/

10:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/russia-attack-ngo-mfa-printnightmare/

10:25 TR Bot; Attackers breach NGO by exploiting MFA, PrintNightmare flaw The Register

10:26 TR News; It is proprietary software bloat. Do not develop in it. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/matlab_update_markets/

10:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/matlab_update_markets/

10:26 TR Bot; MATLAB expands to reach self-driving, wireless markets The Register

10:31 TR News; GNU/Linux Inroads Through Restrictive Devices (and Games) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162726

10:32 TR Bot; GNU/Linux Inroads Through Restrictive Devices (and Games) | Tux Machines

10:33 TR News; Arnold (@Schwarzenegger): "I love the Russian people. That is why I have to tell you the truth. Please watch and share." | nitter https://nitter.eu/Schwarzenegger/status/1504426844199669762

10:33 TR Bot; Arnold (@Schwarzenegger): "I love the Russian people. That is why I have to tell you the truth. Please watch and share." | nitter

10:34 TR News; Clown, fluff, and Microsoft SPAM https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/microsoft_reseller_concerns/ Azure = layoffs, lies, hype, deceit. http://techrights.org/2020/07/19/azure-layoffs-and-beyond/

10:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/microsoft_reseller_concerns/

10:34 TR Bot; Resellers concerned over Microsoft's New Commerce Experience The Register

10:34 TR Bot; Microsoft Lays Off Azure Staff and Much More, Spins These Layoffs as Optimization Strategy | Techrights

10:35 TR News; Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 is here Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162727

10:35 TR Bot; Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 is here | Tux Machines

10:37 Techrights-sec; matey: it's about keeping work from getting done and about keeping particular people

10:37 Techrights-sec; out of the way of obnoxious agendas. Anyway likely to stand up for

10:37 Techrights-sec; the project and its goals can be shoved aside with one or two CoCs

10:38 TR News; 8 Best Free and Open Source Ray Tracing Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162728

10:38 matey; Techrights-sec yes its a reasonable concern

10:38 TR Bot; 8 Best Free and Open Source Ray Tracing Software | Tux Machines

10:39 matey; we are "reading ahead" based on what we already know

10:39 TR News; "To give better support we need to see your terminal output. This will be great if you are on ArcoLinuxD. Then we do not have a graphical interface. Asciinema is going to record what is happening in your terminal." https://arcolinux.com/use-asciinema-to-show-what-goes-on-in-your-terminal/

10:39 TR Bot; asciinema to show what goes on in your terminal | ArcoLinux

10:40 matey; that text wasnt written solely to dismiss ethical source, its very much written in a way that implies future developments

10:41 TR News; "Time for another KDE Frameworks 6 update! Since the last post we got Android CI coverage and had the Plasma 6 sprint, among other things." https://www.volkerkrause.eu/2022/03/19/kf6-android-ci-plasma-sprint.html

10:41 TR Bot; KDE Frameworks 6 Android CI and Plasma 6 Sprint

10:42 schestowitz-TR; matey: yup

10:42 schestowitz-TR; matey: of note

10:42 schestowitz-TR; one of the trolls here works with the sfc

10:42 schestowitz-TR; you know who

10:43 matey; theyve claimed to or you suspect them?

10:43 schestowitz; MinceR: gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D176.jpg

10:43 schestowitz; matey: it's in the site

10:44 schestowitz; https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/feb/23/committee-ai-assisted-software-github-copilot/ https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2022/feb/03/github-copilot-copyleft-gpl/

10:44 TR Bot; New Committee Will Investigate Copyleft Implications of AI-Assisted Programming - Software Freedom Conservancy

10:44 TR Bot; If Software is My Copilot, Who Programmed My Software? - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy

10:45 schestowitz; next to Benjamin Mako Hill,

10:45 schestowitz-TR; several departing FSF there

10:45 schestowitz-TR; like I wrote yesterday

10:46 schestowitz-TR; "splinter group"

10:46 schestowitz-TR; and moreover,

10:46 schestowitz-TR; they keep the debate about this GPL violation machine "professionak"

10:46 schestowitz-TR; they won't mention Graveley, or de Icaza, ore Friedman

10:46 schestowitz-TR; gotta deal "professionally" with a criminal company

10:46 schestowitz-TR; keep the gloves on

10:46 schestowitz-TR; while they take their trousers down

10:47 matey; well sure, thats their schtick

10:47 schestowitz-TR; to me, this sort of 'activism' is optimised for money

10:47 matey; the fsf, only "professional"

10:47 schestowitz-TR; corporate "sponsors"

10:47 matey; a very old open source trope though

10:47 schestowitz-TR; it's like a hybrid of FSF+LF

10:47 schestowitz-TR; add LFism

10:47 matey; "like free software, only better"

10:47 schestowitz-TR; FSF=RMS= SEXXXXXIST

10:47 schestowitz-TR; "give the money to US... we'll censor IBM critics""

10:48 schestowitz-TR; IBM and the SHOOOSHS! STFU"

10:48 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/02/08/fosdem-ibm-gag/

10:48 TR Bot; FOSDEM and Free Speech: Will It Blend? | Techrights

10:49 schestowitz-TR; [10:47] <matey> "like free software, only better"

10:49 schestowitz-TR; "like free software, only FART FART FART FAR"

10:50 matey; i didnt think he was associated directly with sfc

10:50 schestowitz-TR; no

10:50 schestowitz-TR; not yet

10:50 matey; okay

10:50 schestowitz-TR; not directly anyway, but you can see who is there

10:51 schestowitz-TR; several people who petitioned to remove RMS

10:51 schestowitz-TR; they are not EXPERTS... in Microsoft "copilot"

10:51 schestowitz-TR; and GPL violation encourager

10:51 matey; oh wow

10:52 schestowitz-TR; so they promise the protect the thing created by the person whom they cancel?strange if you ask me...

10:52 matey; jeremy allison

10:52 matey; he signed the anti-rms letter and hes on the board of directors at sfc

10:52 schestowitz-TR; he left novell for gulag

10:53 schestowitz-TR; after the microsoft-novell deal

10:53 schestowitz-TR; he's not a bad person

10:53 schestowitz-TR; but the employe is

10:53 schestowitz-TR; *employer

10:53 schestowitz-TR; rms is 'interfering' with such businesses

10:53 schestowitz; https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-google.en.html

10:53 TR Bot; Google's Software Is Malware - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation

10:53 schestowitz; https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-mobiles.en.html

10:53 TR Bot; Malware in Mobile Devices - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation

10:54 schestowitz-TR; "move aside rms"

10:54 schestowitz-TR; "you are INTERFERING... with STALIN"S DREAM"

10:54 matey; so ive been through the entire list of staff and board

10:54 matey; im not aware of any of those people chatting here

10:55 matey; if you mean in the broader sense

10:55 matey; people who lead the coup against rms

10:55 matey; yes im aware

10:55 TR News; "Across the globe, LibreOffice communities help to improve the software, translate the user interface, update documentation and spread the word. You can see a list of international projects on this page, and today were announcing communication channels for the Indian LibreOffice community!" https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/03/19/join-the-indian-libreoffice-community/

10:55 TR Bot; Join the Indian LibreOffice community! - The Document Foundation Blog

10:58 TR News; Simple Ways to Generate a Random Password on Linux Shell https://lateweb.info/simple-ways-to-generate-a-random-password-on-linux-shell/

10:58 TR Bot; Simple Ways to Generate a Random Password on Linux Shell

10:59 matey; of 10 people on the sfc board, 4 signed the anti-rms letter-- from wikimedia, osi, creative commo

10:59 matey; and samba

11 AM, March 19

11:00 matey; also one debian project leader (but thats still 4)

11:00 schestowitz-TR; so they badmouth the "competition" at SFC

11:00 schestowitz-TR; which is why bkuhn was forced to leave

11:00 matey; then if you go to the staff page theres ANOTHER osi person who signed

11:00 schestowitz-TR; or to "choose"

11:00 schestowitz-TR; and yet,

11:00 schestowitz-TR; LF is still full of Microsoft staff

11:00 schestowitz-TR; as if no conflict exists

11:00 schestowitz-TR; LF is toast

11:01 schestowitz-TR; it's just CASHING In on the ATTACKS on Linux

11:01 schestowitz-TR; if not its destruction

11:01 matey; the fsf is helpless against lf though

11:01 schestowitz-TR; some companies are willing to pay to harm it

11:01 schestowitz-TR; LF staff PROFITS from this

11:01 schestowitz-TR; as middlemen

11:02 matey; in fact the fsf is basically helpless altogether

11:02 matey; its basically checkmate

11:02 schestowitz-TR; fsf made vetting errors

11:02 matey; it goes beyond vetting errors

11:02 matey; they made strategic errors

11:02 schestowitz-TR; often the vetting errors are actively encouraged

11:02 schestowitz-TR; using money

11:02 schestowitz-TR; or "diversity" schtick

11:02 matey; that wouldnt surprise me

11:02 schestowitz-TR; "we must get more sponsors something....."

11:03 matey; libeplanet already has a code of conduct

11:03 schestowitz-TR; or "we need more [some perceive minority group]"

11:03 schestowitz-TR; Gul;ag offers Gulag Summer of Labour cash

11:03 matey; wait until they add kuhns new innovation

11:03 schestowitz-TR; provided you hire some people who can barely code

11:03 matey; i should point out, not everything about kuhns proposal is bad

11:04 matey; it will be bad in practice because of the players involved

11:04 matey; in theory though, the theory is closer to neutral

11:04 schestowitz-TR; he deleted all his "dents" one by one

11:04 schestowitz-TR; fearing people who do to him what he did to rms

11:04 matey; kuhn?

11:04 schestowitz-TR; yeah

11:04 schestowitz-TR; zemlin did the same

11:04 schestowitz-TR; in twitter "tweets"

11:04 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/12/06/jim-zemlin-cancels-himself/

11:05 TR Bot; Jim Zemlin Has Deleted All of His Tweets | Techrights

11:05 matey; when did kuhn do that?

11:05 schestowitz; incidentally, later today I'll do a video about leaving social control media and how waste of a time it was

11:05 schestowitz; *how much

11:05 schestowitz; in retrospect

11:05 schestowitz; it peaked years ago

11:05 schestowitz; maybe 5-7 years ago

11:05 matey; let us know when you delete your twitter account

11:05 schestowitz; matey: bkuhn did that maybe 4-5 years ago, from memory..

11:06 schestowitz; joindiaspora involuntary 'deleted' all the accounts

11:06 schestowitz; against the will of users

11:06 schestowitz; because of technical debt

11:06 matey; yes i was one of them

11:06 schestowitz; complex web crap with JS comes at a cost

11:07 schestowitz; identica wiped

11:07 schestowitz; JS wiped

11:07 matey; and evan (identica) signed the list as well

11:07 schestowitz; all my fediverse accounts

11:07 schestowitz; usenet is still going

11:07 schestowitz; twitter also, but they lose money

11:07 schestowitz; so there's 'doomscrolling' for the investors

11:08 schestowitz; pondering if there's still a point sinking money into it

11:08 matey; it will get propped up by the government

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11:08 schestowitz; whose?

11:08 matey; or bought by someone who can afford to run it at a loss

11:08 schestowitz; saudi?

11:08 schestowitz; it\s a propaganda machine

11:08 matey; no question

11:08 matey; maybe musk will buy it

11:09 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/

11:09 TR Bot; Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights

11:09 schestowitz; the operator of the platform weaponise it

11:09 schestowitz; like "trending"

11:09 matey; you think twitter will go under

11:09 matey; i think it will get bought

11:09 schestowitz; they rally online mobs like troops

11:09 matey; lets see what happens first

11:09 matey; we agree on the nature of twitter

11:09 schestowitz; maybe FB will buy it

11:09 schestowitz; for more "users"

11:09 schestowitz; which evidently they lose

11:10 schestowitz; this wa FB can buy some control over many thousands of politicians

11:10 schestowitz; and game their visibility, words etc.

11:10 matey; fb would gain the most from buying it

11:10 schestowitz; if antitrust oks it

11:10 matey; but i still think it will go to something closer to a vanity project

11:10 schestowitz; likr insta

11:10 matey; some rich guy will grab it

11:11 schestowitz; jack?

11:11 matey; instagram kind of is twitter already

11:11 schestowitz; yeah, exactly

11:11 schestowitz; and there's vine

11:11 schestowitz; and giphy (fb)

11:11 schestowitz; stopped

11:11 schestowitz; in the UK

11:11 matey; giphy is fb?

11:11 schestowitz; https://www.theverge.com/2021/11/30/22740272/facebook-giphy-acquisition-competition-and-markets-authority-uk-regulator

11:12 TR Bot; Meta ordered to sell Giphy by UK regulator - The Verge

11:12 matey; oh, recent

11:12 schestowitz; "The UKs competition regulator has officially ruled that Facebook parent company Metas acquisition of Giphy should be unwound, a year and a half after the social media giant first said it was acquiring the popular GIF-making and sharing website. In a press release, the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) said that it had come to the decision after its investigation found an acquisition could harm competition between social media platforms,

11:12 matey; nasty

11:12 schestowitz; and that its concerns can only be addressed by Facebook selling Giphy in its entirety to an approved buyer."

11:12 schestowitz; te web IS nastry

11:12 schestowitz; and getting worse

11:12 matey; most of the pages i load look like theyre in a text browser

11:12 matey; no css

11:12 matey; no js

11:12 matey; no images

11:13 schestowitz; FB wants to put masks on people that it spies on

11:13 schestowitz; telling investors not to worry, it's the FUTURE

11:13 schestowitz; because they spammed the media with "metaverse" fluff

11:13 schestowitz; incidentally when they renamed the company

11:13 schestowitz; to stop the negative press cycle

11:14 schestowitz-TR; CSS is OK if at your end

11:14 schestowitz-TR; like the settings in your reader

11:14 schestowitz-TR; but then it's not CSS

11:14 schestowitz-TR; it's just reader configs

11:14 schestowitz-TR; the consistent experience is a plus

11:14 matey; i prefer to avoid custom per-site css

11:15 matey; just because its a feature that doesnt exist with gemini

11:15 matey; the closer my browsing gets to gemini, the better

11:15 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162729

11:17 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

11:21 matey; i forgot that sandler worked at gnome foundation

11:25 schestowitz-TR; what does gnome foundation even do

11:25 schestowitz-TR; I mean, "work"

11:25 schestowitz-TR; they rarelym have coders

11:25 schestowitz-TR; peters, sandler, bully...

11:25 schestowitz-TR; are they just there to negotiate the price of corporation memberships?

11:30 TR News; Links 19/3/2022: EasyOS 3.4.3 and Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/linux-mint-debian-edition-5/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/19/linux-mint-debian-edition-5/

11:30 TR Bot; Links 19/3/2022: EasyOS 3.4.3 and Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 | Techrights

11:32 TR News; Openwashing and Monopolies Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162730

11:32 TR Bot; Openwashing and Monopolies | Tux Machines

11:33 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162731

11:33 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

11:33 TR News; Hardware/Devices: Pine64, Librem, RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162732

11:33 TR Bot; Hardware/Devices: Pine64, Librem, RISC-V | Tux Machines

11:33 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162733

11:33 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

11:34 kingoffrance; "joindiaspora involuntary 'deleted' all the accounts <schestowitz> against the will of users <schestowitz> because of technical debt" remind you of anyone? .... :D seems to be going around :)

11:36 TR News; I need to remember to check for ZFS filesystems being mounted https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/solaris/ZFSCheckForMounted

11:36 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/solaris/ZFSCheckForMounted

11:37 TR News; Three DDoS attacks on my personal website https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/three-ddos-attacks-on-my-personal-website

11:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: jeffgeerling.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/three-ddos-attacks-on-my-personal-website

11:37 TR Bot; Three DDoS attacks on my personal website | Jeff Geerling

11:37 schestowitz-TR; kingoffrance: GulagPlus

11:37 schestowitz-TR; security lapse found

11:37 schestowitz-TR; Gulag: fix it? No

11:37 schestowitz-TR; shut the whole thing down

11:38 schestowitz-TR; at short notice

11:38 schestowitz-TR; months

11:38 kingoffrance; what? that's 3

11:38 schestowitz-TR; nice excuse

11:38 schestowitz-TR; like Microsoft finding excuse for layiing off staff a

11:38 schestowitz-TR; and shutting down failing units

11:38 schestowitz-TR; like Micrsoofty Stores

11:39 TR News; "So that led me into my current hybrid phase in which I'm relying entirely on low powered computer devices for the server-like infrastructure of my house (two Raspberry Pi 400s do most of the heavy lifting for file, backup and media services at home)" https://jaylittle.com/post/view/2022/3/finally-some-peace-and-quiet

11:39 TR Bot; Jay Little - Software Obsessionist - Finally... some Peace and Quiet

11:41 TR News; "During this period, I acquired a pre-owned Flash Advance Linker, a device manufactured by Visoly in 2001. Because the previous owner was also selling his GBA, I ended up owning two of them." https://www.cambus.net/gba-nostalgia-and-the-flash-advance-linker/

11:41 TR Bot; GBA nostalgia and the Flash Advance Linker | Frederic Cambus

11:42 TR News; "To try and make human power production more useful, we built not just a pedal power generator but also a control panel in the form of a dashboard attached to the handlebars." https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2022/03/how-to-build-bike-generator.html

11:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: lowtechmagazine.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lowtechmagazine.com/2022/03/how-to-build-bike-generator.html

11:42 TR Bot; How to Build a Bike Generator with Control Panel - LOW-TECH MAGAZINE

11:44 TR News; "For many years I have been known as the ThinkPad guy. Ive always used IBM / Lenovo ThinkPad laptops where possible." https://linuxjedi.co.uk/2022/03/16/review-framework-laptop/

11:44 TR Bot; Review: Framework Laptop LinuxJedi's /dev/null

11:46 TR News; Yesterday, the Senate unanimously passed The Sunshine Protection Act, which is a bill that makes Daylight Saving Time permanent in the U.S." https://matt-rickard.com/against-dst/

11:46 TR Bot; Problems with Daylight Saving Time

11:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/against-dst/

11:47 TR News; "Maybe we got it right on this one. Cool. I prefer the consistent model as well." https://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-quick-thought-on-removing-daylight-savings/

11:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: danielmiessler.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://danielmiessler.com/blog/a-quick-thought-on-removing-daylight-savings/

11:47 TR Bot; A Quick Thought on Removing Daylight Saving(s) - Daniel Miessler

11:50 TR News; Twitter is a dying platform. This is a symptom of the death. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/18/22985073/microsoft-xbox-clips-twitter-harder-to-share-insider

11:50 TR Bot; Microsoft might make it harder to share Xbox clips to Twitter - The Verge

11:51 TR News; Microsoft delivering malware again https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/war-fallout-software-sabotaged-to-wipe-files-from-some-pcs.html

11:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/war-fallout-software-sabotaged-to-wipe-files-from-some-pcs.html

11:51 TR Bot; - War fallout: software sabotaged to wipe files from some PCs

11:52 TR News; "the phone uses more power and drains the battery faster" https://www.techzim.co.zw/2022/03/you-dont-need-ram-cleaners-phone-boosters-on-your-phone-delete-now/

11:52 TR Bot; People please, you dont need RAM cleaners/optimisers, phone boosters on your phones - Techzim

11:53 TR News; Proprietary Apple https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/digital-security/how-this-software-is-being-used-to-target-apple-users-with-malware/90306269

11:53 TR Bot; malware: How this software is being used to target Apple users with malware, CIO News, ET CIO

noon, March 19

12:01 matey; maybe social media isnt a service at all

12:01 matey; maybe its just a trap for messages and contacts

12:01 matey; the owners keep that-- the users dont

12:05 matey; schestowitz-TR: For some time already, Ludovic and Marius have voiced their desire to step down from the Guix maintainers collective. An email announcing the news and calling for new maintainers was sent more than 4 months ago. We're very happy to announce that Efraim Flashner

12:05 matey; ^ haha

12:07 matey; down steps one anti-rms guy, up steps another

12:08 matey; efraim is another backstabber

12:08 matey; but its alright, there were one or two guix guys that signed the pro-rms petition

12:08 matey; thats hardly enough to go around

12:09 matey; considering the anti-rms people at guix have been fighting against free software for three years

12:10 matey; maybe theyll do like the fsf and *shakes head* probably not

12:10 matey; libreplanet and guix are both trojan horses

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12:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.09

12:10 activelow; GNU Guix has other problems then defining what a pro or anti-rms guy was

12:11 matey; i wouldnt use it if it was the last operating system on earth

12:12 activelow; which is guix maintained the bootstrapping procedure for GCC, and it is broken for a long time (not guix nor gnu at fault, just a fact)

12:12 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 19.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.43 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.09

12:12 matey; not guix nor gnu at fault <- oh i dont know, it could be both

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12:12 activelow; and since gcc switched to c++ internally, the route to bootstrap GCC with an alternative C-compiler such as TinyCC is blocked too

12:13 activelow; and i think, neither GCC nor Guix nor GNU crowd had realized yet, what happened since then

12:13 matey; maybe they know

12:13 matey; maybe they dont care

12:14 matey; gnome doesnt care if peoples computers work with anything other than gnome

12:14 matey; maybe guix doesnt care if peoples computers work with anything other than guix

12:14 matey; the developers have enough in common

12:14 matey; you know the critique used to be "nih" not invented here

12:15 matey; now its "already exists"

12:15 matey; cant use make, it already exists

12:16 matey; systemd: replace sysvinit with an entire operating system!

12:16 matey; mozilla: replace the web browser with an entire operating system!

12:16 matey; docker: replace every application with an entire operating system!

12:16 matey; guix: replace make with an entire operating system!

12:17 matey; theres too many fucking operating systems vying for the same installation

12:17 matey; better buy more computers! hey, this has 256 cores! better replace it with something thats not old

12:18 matey; maybe thats why ariadne likes mainframes, she knows shes going to need one just to run the next os they saddle us with

12:20 matey; "hmm only 256 cores, maybe i can put openwrt on it"

12:20 matey; remember when we used to make fun of windows for this?

12:21 matey; microsoft <3 linux but theyre a golddigger

12:22 kingoffrance; pretty sure ms wants your soul

12:22 kingoffrance; :D

12:22 matey; go on gates, go head get down, go on gates, go head get down

12:22 TR News; "The relatively cheap GoIP-1 GSM gateway device I bought specifically for my wardialing project has the functionality to send SMS messages and to make calls on the PSTN network" https://shufflingbytes.com/posts/hacking-goip-gsm-gateway/

12:22 TR Bot; GoIP-1 GSM gateway could be harnessed for phone fraud by hackers

12:23 TR News; "Authorization vulnerabilities allow malicious users to perform unwanted actions or access resources that are deemed protected otherwise." https://goteleport.com/blog/authorization-vulnerabilities/

12:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: goteleport.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://goteleport.com/blog/authorization-vulnerabilities/

12:23 TR Bot; 7 Common Authorization Vulnerabilities | Teleport

12:24 matey; pretty sure ms wants your soul <- then they can sell it back to you on a subscription-only basis

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12:25 bnchs; i was gonna lose hope when i went to my store's computer section, but was surprised when i found a laptop running GNU/Linux

12:25 TR News; "Unfortunately, the email that Facebook sent from the address security@facebookmail.com resembled a rather common form of spam" https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/18/22984802/facebook-protect-lock-out-twitter

12:25 TR Bot; Facebook is locking out people who didnt activate Facebook Protect - The Verge

12:25 bnchs; sure it was just 1 laptop running GNU/Linux out of the rest of other laptops running windows

12:25 matey; ubuntu?

12:25 TR News; Only a slap in the wrist for this espionage outfit. "London, Ireland's Data Protection Commission (DPC) has fined Meta, Facebook's parent company, 17 million euros ($18.6 million) for several data breaches that affected up to 30 million users." https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/irish-consumer-watchdog-fines-meta-18-6-mn-for-12-data-breaches/90303538

12:25 TR Bot; Irish consumer watchdog fines Meta $18.6 mn for 12 data breaches, CIO News, ET CIO

12:26 bnchs; yes

12:26 matey; i wonder if it would let you install upstart

12:26 matey; /me goes to check the repos

12:26 bnchs; it was progress

12:26 TR News; Only dumb people would tolerate and buy such 'cars' https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/your-connected-car-knows-you-tussle-that-datas-hitting-high-gear-2022-03-14/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/02/no-control-over-cars/

12:26 TR Bot; connected car knows you. The tussle for that data's hitting high gear | Reuters

12:26 TR Bot; Index: Loss of Control Over Cars | Techrights

12:26 bnchs; even if it was just one computer running ubuntu

12:27 TR News; "Despite public assertions that it had gone dormant, a multi-agency task force consisting of federal, state, and local police that was created to monitor protests" https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/03/17/1047413/secret-police-surveillance-protesters-george-floyd-operation-safety-net/

12:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: technologyreview.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/03/17/1047413/secret-police-surveillance-protesters-george-floyd-operation-safety-net/

12:27 TR Bot; A police system for watching protesters kept going after George Floyds murder | MIT Technology Review

12:28 bnchs; also the usual placeholder OS called freedos

12:28 bnchs; installed on some of the laptops

12:28 TR News; "Its been well-known that the first mainstream Swedish RPG, a translation of RuneQuest (to be specific, a backport of some Gloranthan elements to the Magic World BRP ruleset from Worlds of Wonder), was published by a former Chaosium intern" gemini://idiomdrottning.org/drakar

12:29 matey; its not in jammy yet

12:30 bnchs; also if you count EFI shell as well

12:30 TR News; "Last in an attempt to do Gemini the right way, I created a self-signed cert for TOFU, which was configured to expire after one year. I thought this would be more convenient than simply using my LetsEncrypt cert." gemini://kwiecien.us/gemlog/202203191328.gmi

12:30 bnchs; windows may be a majority other than EFI shell, freedos, GNU/Linux

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12:31 matey; i dont think its in impish either

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12:33 TR News; "Server sounds like a big word for a small single board computer, more specifically a APU2 board by pcengines.ch[a]. This board features 3 ethernet interfaces and therefore is used as a gateway, directing all outbound traffic towards the internet connection (Fritz!Box)" gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2022/20220319-re-self-hosting.gmi

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12:34 matey; upstart isnt in ubuntu impish, trisquel 10 or trisquel 9, apparently

12:34 TR News; Android Alpha 7 (Lagrange v1.12 Preview) gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-03_android-alpha7.gmi

12:34 matey; nope, ubuntu and trisquel are systemd-ONLY

12:34 matey; nice work, idiots

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12:35 activelow; systemd can be removed;

12:35 matey; yeah and replaced with busybox

12:35 activelow; the biggest issue currently seems to be GCC (and llvm/clang alike)

12:35 matey; or your autoexec thing

12:36 bnchs; kingoffrance: pretty sure ms wants your soul

12:36 bnchs; yea

12:36 activelow; matey: linux doesn't bother what to execute as pid1, however it is impossible to compile linux kernel and most GNU userspace with a C compiler

12:36 activelow; including GCC itself

12:36 bnchs; "heres the offer: education license for office in exchange for your SOUL"

12:36 matey; ibm: if m$ gets your soul, can i have your computer?

12:37 bnchs; windows OEM license in exchange for your SOUL

12:37 matey; the "e" in "eula" stands for "eternal"

12:37 matey; eternal user lease agreement (lease yourself to us)

12:38 bnchs; libreoffice has as much (if not more) features as m$ officr

12:38 bnchs; but you find shills saying that libreoffice is BAD

12:38 bnchs; libreoffice doesnt read proprietary undocumented file formats WELL

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12:39 bnchs; hello darwin

12:39 matey; youre just a theory, darwin

12:40 bnchs; i hate proprietards

12:40 matey; thats what linus claims, its about hate

12:41 matey; free software is just a kind of bigotry i guess

12:41 bnchs; matey: linus the retarded e-celeb with 2 sponsors a video?

12:41 bnchs; or linus torvalds?

12:41 matey; bnchs: funnily enough, the finnish one

12:41 bnchs; ok

12:41 bnchs; we love proprietards

12:41 bnchs; we love microsodt

12:41 TR News; "For undeadly readers, our Errata column on the right side of the web site automatically updates and as of March 15th, 2022 some of you may have already noticed that there is a new security fix" https://www.undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220318065203

12:41 TR Bot; LibreSSL 3.5.1 development branch as well as 3.4.3 (stable) and 3.3.6 released

12:41 matey; thats better

12:41 bnchs; we love IBM

12:42 matey; linux <3 microsoft

12:42 bnchs; linux (stockholm syndrome) microsoft

12:42 matey; war <3 peace

12:42 matey; freedom <3 slavery

12:43 matey; ignorance <3 strength

12:43 bnchs; microsoft raped linux

12:43 TR News; "Many cyber experts and U.S. intelligence officials predicted that Russia would launch massive cyberattacks, especially following crippling economic sanctions imposed by the U.S. and Europe" https://thehill.com/policy/international/598138-intel-chair-amazed-russia-hasnt-launched-full-scale-cyberwarfare

12:43 TR Bot; chair 'amazed' Russia hasn't launched full-scale cyberwarfare | TheHill

12:43 bnchs; thats what they mean by microsoft <3 linux

12:43 bnchs; because they raped linux

12:43 TR News; Ukraine still pays a very heavy price for using Microsoft Windows https://www.vice.com/en/article/88gbk5/why-we-havent-seen-debilitating-cyberwar-in-ukraine

12:43 TR Bot; Why We Havent Seen Debilitating Cyberwar in Ukraine

12:44 matey; linux (stockholm syndrome) microsoft <- this one

12:44 matey; libreplanet <3 rms

12:45 TR News; "According to an email from a Republican state central committee member that was obtained by the Dispatch, an unnamed lawmaker intends onto file an impeachment charge against the judge." https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ohio-republicans-impeach-judge-gerrymander-1323657/

12:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: rollingstone.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ohio-republicans-impeach-judge-gerrymander-1323657/

12:45 TR Bot; Ohio Republicans Would Rather Impeach a Judge than Stop Cheating at Elections - Rolling Stone

12:45 bnchs; rms <3 free software

12:45 bnchs; guix <!3 rms

12:45 bnchs; they hate rms

12:45 bnchs; because the companies want them so

12:48 TR News; "Many governments are purposefully or accidentally introducing their citizens to Bitcoin and sovereign theory through their decisions" https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/barbra-streisand-and-bitcoin%3A-how-political-missteps-censorship-and-war-are-an-opportunity

12:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nasdaq.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/barbra-streisand-and-bitcoin%3A-how-political-missteps-censorship-and-war-are-an-opportunity

12:48 TR News; "To put this into perspective, if bitcoin were a country it would be the 23rd-largest energy consumer in the world." https://impact.economist.com/sustainability/net-zero-and-energy/data-point-the-power-of-cryptocurrency

12:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: economist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://impact.economist.com/sustainability/net-zero-and-energy/data-point-the-power-of-cryptocurrency

12:49 TR News; "Cryptography is only ever as secure as the human beings who employ it" https://medium.com/geekculture/may-29-why-i-still-believe-cryptocurrency-is-a-slow-motion-catastrophe-15333bbb1627

12:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medium.com/geekculture/may-29-why-i-still-believe-cryptocurrency-is-a-slow-motion-catastrophe-15333bbb1627

12:50 TR News; "The price of nickel doubled in one day last week, prompting the London Metal Exchange to freeze trading and effectively bring the global nickel market to a standstill." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/business/energy-environment/nickel-russia-battery-electric-cars.html

12:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/business/energy-environment/nickel-russia-battery-electric-cars.html

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12:50 TR News; "No. Bitcoin transactions can be traced, as demonstrated by the recent bust in Manhattan as well as last year's Colonial Pipeline hack" https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/crypto/is-bitcoin-really-anonymous/#ftag=CADf328eec

12:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/crypto/is-bitcoin-really-anonymous/#ftag=CADf328eec

12:51 TR News; Stupid stuff humans do https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-15/crypto-mania-in-texas-risks-new-costs-and-strains-on-shaky-grid

12:52 TR News; Oligarchs like Bloomberg are also hard to fix. They rig to market to plunder everyone. https://www.bloombergquint.com/quicktakes/why-bitcoin-s-energy-problem-is-so-hard-to-fix-quicktake-l0t1s8b0

12:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bloombergquint.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bloombergquint.com/quicktakes/why-bitcoin-s-energy-problem-is-so-hard-to-fix-quicktake-l0t1s8b0

12:52 TR News; "three countries control more than half of Africas 18 trillion cubic meters of natural gas." https://adf-magazine.com/2022/03/as-world-turns-away-from-russian-energy-africa-sees-opportunity/

12:54 TR News; Go back to the old way then. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/18/22985380/instacart-fuel-surcharge-gas-prices-delivery-rideshare-lyft-uber

12:55 TR News; prison

12:55 TR News; "wide-ranging powers to crack down on digital and social media companies like Google, Facebook, Twitter and TikTok" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/tech-leaders-face-threat-of-prison-under-new-uk-online-bill/90303079

12:58 TR News; "New Scientist asked at the time what would be included in the list of illegal searches" https://www.newscientist.com/article/2312584-online-safety-bill-will-uks-new-law-protect-people-from-harm-online/

12:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: newscientist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newscientist.com/article/2312584-online-safety-bill-will-uks-new-law-protect-people-from-harm-online/

1 PM, March 19

13:01 TR News; "Ofcom said it took the decision as it investigates 29 cases looking into the impartiality of RTs news and current affairs coverage of Russias invasion of Ukraine." https://www.rferl.org/a/rt-britain-revokes-license-russia-ukraine/31759244.html

13:02 TR News; "As the shocking events of past weeks have emphasised, privacy and safety are mutually reinforcing rights." https://edri.org/our-work/protecting-digital-rights-and-freedoms-in-the-legislation-to-effectively-tackle-child-abuse/

13:03 TR News; Casualty of US proxy wars? USD? https://qz.com/2143450/saudi-arabia-wants-to-sell-its-oil-in-yuan-not-dollars/

13:03 TR News; "Technology is the cornerstone of our society. As a people we have seen the catalytic things that technology has enabled us to do." https://christine.website/blog/social-quandry-devops-2022-03-17

13:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: christine.website | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://christine.website/blog/social-quandry-devops-2022-03-17

13:05 TR News; "Earlier this year Intel established its next major manufacturing site in Ohio. Intel intends to invest about $20 billion in two fabs at the site initially with the first fab coming online in 2025." https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-gets-billions-in-state-aid-for-ohio-and-magdeburg-fabs

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13:07 TR News; Arnold Schwarzenegger's video message urges Russians to overcome government disinformation https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/world/arnold-schwarzenegger-message-russian-people/index.html

13:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/17/world/arnold-schwarzenegger-message-russian-people/index.html

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13:08 TR News; "In the late 1990s, most publicly traded companies were the subjects of Yahoo! Finance bulletin boards." https://reason.com/volokh/2022/03/17/how-corporate-criticism-threatened-online-anonymous-speech/

13:09 TR News; ">By blocking online platforms, shutting down the last vestige of Russias independent media and making it a crime to refer to the fighting in Ukraine as a war" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/business/chinas-russia-information.html

13:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/18/business/chinas-russia-information.html

13:10 TR News; Russia Says YouTube Users Spreading 'Terrorist' Threats https://www.voanews.com/a/russia-says-youtube-users-spreading-terrorist-threats-/6491336.html

13:11 TR News; "One can only hope that Friday, March 18, 2022 will mark the nadir of the moral panic over "cancel culture" that has gripped not just the American right, but also the upper echelons of elite journalism" https://www.salon.com/2022/03/18/what-the-new-york-times-doesnt-get-about-free-speech-and-cancel-culture/

13:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/03/18/what-the-new-york-times-doesnt-get-about-free-speech-and-cancel-culture/

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13:13 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77

13:14 TR News; "The court convicted Martsinovich and Skurko on that charge on Tuesday, March 15, despite their having reimbursed the electric company for 10,000 roubles (US$3,000) in alleged damages" https://cpj.org/2022/03/belarus-court-sentences-journalist-yahor-martsinovich-to-2-5-years-in-prison/

13:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cpj.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://cpj.org/2022/03/belarus-court-sentences-journalist-yahor-martsinovich-to-2-5-years-in-prison/

13:14 TR Bot; Belarus court sentences journalist Yahor Martsinovich to 2.5 years in prison - Committee to Protect Journalists

13:15 TR News; "Workers at Amazons LDJ5 facility in Staten Island in New York City will be voting on whether to unionize with the Amazon Labor Union starting April 25th, according to a report from CNBC." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/18/22985518/amazon-warehouse-union-election-second-staten-island-ldj5

13:15 TR Bot; Workers at another NYC Amazon warehouse now have a union election date - The Verge

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13:15 kingoffrance; hmm...(move to another channel if it gets out of hand) i am curious the nasdaq link paints bitcoin as freedom, and versus gov as fiat/coercion, rather than seeing it as a natural progression, [*] coin -> paper -> credit -> [digits in computer] [*] not arguing what was "first" so you could insert many things "before" that

13:16 TR News; These butchers own a British football club, NUFC, and a large portion of Twitter https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/saudi-arabia-executes-81-people-show-force-emboldened-mohammed-bin-ncna1292176

13:16 TR Bot; Saudi Arabia executes 81 people in show of force by an emboldened Mohammed bin Salman

13:16 kingoffrance; and funny enough, it argues about gov wanting to "attract" all the young coin entrepreneurs ...this is not "coercion

13:16 kingoffrance; " or gov exercising "fiat" powers

13:16 TR News; Gulag hates blacks https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/strategy/google-hit-with-lawsuit-over-alleged-discrimination-against-black-employees.html

13:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/it-industry-news/strategy/google-hit-with-lawsuit-over-alleged-discrimination-against-black-employees.html

13:17 TR Bot; - Google hit with lawsuit over alleged discrimination against black employees

13:17 kingoffrance; it seems an exercise in word games :/

13:17 MinceR; 19 114322 <~schestowitz> MinceR: gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D176.jpg

13:17 MinceR; :3

13:18 kingoffrance; entrepreneurs to'gov: we hate your coercion and your fiat, ,but you need us, and we need your tax breaks/incentives/etc.

13:19 kingoffrance; it seems like the omnipersent forked tongue to me lol

13:19 kingoffrance; *omnipresent

13:19 TR News; <li>

13:19 kingoffrance; we need you gov for your limited legal liability

13:19 TR News; Dogs are more civilised than a lot of cops https://reason.com/2022/03/17/police-officer-kills-dog-for-walking-toward-him-with-tail-wagging/

13:19 TR Bot; Police Officer Kills Dog for Walking Toward Him With Tail Wagging

13:20 kingoffrance; which is exactly how "fiat" is allowed in the first place. the cure is more of the disease

13:21 kingoffrance; literally how "the fed" was justified too. let the business people run things

13:21 TR News; "Despite being unarmed, nonthreatening, and minding his own business, the police proceeded to use lethal force" https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/unarmed-black-man-grabbing-tea-car-shot-new-jersey-police-paralyzed-la-rcna20640

13:21 TR Bot; Black man grabbing tea from car shot by New Jersey police and paralyzed, lawsuit says

13:21 kingoffrance; anyway enough lol just amazing satire as always :D

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13:23 TR News; splinternet https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/03/17/1047352/russia-splinternet-risk/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/

13:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: technologyreview.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/03/17/1047352/russia-splinternet-risk/

13:23 TR Bot; Russia is risking the creation of a splinternetand it could be irreversible | MIT Technology Review

13:23 TR Bot; The Internet is Breaking and We Need Contingencies | Techrights

13:23 kingoffrance; "unity of opposites" is not just a supposed "marxist" thing, it is how the business people roll

13:24 TR News; Internet, a US military project left to universities, long based on the assumption of world calm, peace. Not using people's IP address to attack them, wipe data, dox, blackmail. Never mind disinformation aspects!

13:26 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM): "Hardware security modules (HSM) and trusted platform modules (TPM) seemingly do the same thing: they manage secret keys and enable data protection." https://goteleport.com/blog/tpm-vs-hsm-difference/

13:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: goteleport.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://goteleport.com/blog/tpm-vs-hsm-difference/

13:26 TR Bot; What is the difference between HSM and TSM? | Teleport

13:27 TR News; Microsoft: a mafia with "tech" as cover https://itwire.com/business-it-news/cloud/three-european-cloud-providers-file-anti-trust-complaint-against-microsoft.html see http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/

13:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/cloud/three-european-cloud-providers-file-anti-trust-complaint-against-microsoft.html

13:27 TR Bot; - Three European cloud providers file anti-trust complaint against Microsoft

13:27 TR Bot; EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights

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13:28 TR News; "Under the proposed law, the government would also be able to retroactively break up deals that result in a market share above 50% or that are considered to materially harm competition" https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/progressives-anti-merger-bill-new-facebook-parental-controls-verizon-helps-defense-department/

13:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: broadbandbreakfast.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/03/progressives-anti-merger-bill-new-facebook-parental-controls-verizon-helps-defense-department/

13:28 TR Bot; Progressives Anti-Merger Bill, New Facebook Parental Controls, Verizon Helps Defense Department : Broadband Breakfast

13:29 TR News; Pine64 Announces the QuartzPro64! https://odysee.com/@LinuxLounge:b/pine64-announces-the-quartzpro64!:b

13:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@LinuxLounge:b/pine64-announces-the-quartzpro64!:b

13:29 TR Bot; Pine64 Announces the QuartzPro64!

13:30 TR News; #swpatents mentioned in passing at 2:38 https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/information-wants-to-be-free:5

13:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@DistroTube:2/information-wants-to-be-free:5

13:30 TR Bot; Information Wants To Be Free

13:33 TR News; "There was a time when all that was available to the electronics hobbyist were passive components and vacuum tubes." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/18/the-open-source-asics-hack-chat-redefines-possible/

13:33 TR Bot; Open Source ASICs Hack Chat Redefines Possible | Hackaday

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14:00 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 38.90 k/sec., IPFS upstream 53.08 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.13

14:00 schestowitz; MinceR: Football: a club for every corrupt tax evader, eve terrorist https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/18/football/premier-league-newcastle-united-chelsea-owners-spt-intl/index.html

14:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/18/football/premier-league-newcastle-united-chelsea-owners-spt-intl/index.html

14:00 TR Bot; Chelsea FC: 81 executions in Saudi Arabia on one day and horror of Russia's invasion of Ukraine buffet the Premier League - CNN

14:00 schestowitz; oops

14:01 schestowitz; wring pasasre

14:01 schestowitz; gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D532.jpg

14:01 schestowitz; lots more there

14:03 TR News; venturebeat now running articles for patent extremists, lobbyists and former 'judges' in the pockets of the litigation fanatics https://venturebeat.com/2022/03/17/us-patent-system-weakens-protect-ip-to-keep-american-tech-at-the-top/

14:03 TR Bot; patent system weakens: Protect IP to keep American tech at the top | VentureBeat

14:05 TR News; Real security for a change? https://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2022/03/18/security-course-at-cambridge/

14:05 TR Bot; Security course at Cambridge | Light Blue Touchpaper

14:06 MinceR; too bad both of my GUI gemini browsers use Qt

14:06 MinceR; and so copy/paste is broken in all of them

14:06 TR News; emptywheel defected, not lobbying for the fascists https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/17/five-years-after-assange-exposed-cia-identities-in-vault-7-uk-moves-closer-to-extradition/

14:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: emptywheel.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/17/five-years-after-assange-exposed-cia-identities-in-vault-7-uk-moves-closer-to-extradition/

14:06 TR Bot; Five Years after WikiLeaks Exposed CIA Identities in Vault 7, UK Moves Closer to Assange Extradition - emptywheel

14:08 TR News; economictimes publishing disgusting Microsoft proipaganda. It paints as "green" (greenwash/ing) Microsoft datacentres that are burning fossil fuel... portraying these as something that is in fact good for the planet

14:09 TR News; "Executive Order on Ensuring Responsible Development of Digital Assets" https://www-version2-dk.translate.goog/blog/saa-sagt-1094425?_x_tr_sl=da&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB

14:09 TR Bot; S er det sagt... | Version2

14:10 TR News; All the fake 'security' firms produce malicious software, not only kaspersky https://www.computerworld.com/article/3654149/do-svidaniya-kaspersky-goodbye.html

14:10 TR Bot; svidaniya, Kaspersky goodbye | Computerworld

14:11 TR News; "Tor Browser 11.0.9 is now available from the Tor Browser download page and also from our distribution directory" https://blog.torproject.org/new-release-tor-browser-1109/

14:11 TR Bot; New Release: Tor Browser 11.0.9 (Windows, macOS, Linux) | The Tor Project

14:13 TR News; "A disparaging term for BitCoin, a play on the Dunning-Kruger effect." https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dunning-krugerrand

14:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: urbandictionary.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dunning-krugerrand

14:13 TR Bot; Urban Dictionary: dunning-krugerrand

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14:18 TR News; "Blueprint on open access to UKs digital cultural heritage collections welcomed" https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/18/blueprint-on-open-access-to-uks-digital-cultural-heritage-collections-welcomed/

14:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: creativecommons.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://creativecommons.org/2022/03/18/blueprint-on-open-access-to-uks-digital-cultural-heritage-collections-welcomed/

14:18 TR Bot; Blueprint on open access to UKs digital cultural heritage collections welcomed - Creative Commons

14:19 TR News; DirecTV https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/conspiracy-channel-oan-pouts-more-sues-directv-for-kicking-it-to-the-curb/

14:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/conspiracy-channel-oan-pouts-more-sues-directv-for-kicking-it-to-the-curb/

14:19 TR Bot; Channel OAN Pouts More, Sues DirecTV For Kicking It To The Curb | Techdirt

14:21 TR News; "antivaccine movement for many years now. One strain of such rhetoric has been the call for Nuremberg-style tribunals for physicians" https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/03/18/bhattacharya-and-kulldorf-want-to-hold-lockdowners-accountable/

14:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: respectfulinsolence.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://respectfulinsolence.com/2022/03/18/bhattacharya-and-kulldorf-want-to-hold-lockdowners-accountable/

14:21 TR Bot; Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kulldorff want to hold "lockdowners" accountable - RESPECTFUL INSOLENCE

14:21 TR News; "Feminism is a cause of South Koreas rock-bottom birthrate. The gender-equality ministry should be dismantled. Theres no structural discrimination against women." https://www.thenation.com/article/world/south-korea-yoon-suk-yeol/

14:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/world/south-korea-yoon-suk-yeol/

14:21 TR Bot; South Korean Feminists Brace for a Long, Hard Winter Under a Right-Wing Leader | The Nation

14:23 TR News; "Democratic leaders are scrambling to find a path forward for a roughly $16 billion aid package" while GIVING TRILLIONS to large CORPORATIONS and OLIGARCHS https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/18/fears-new-covid-wave-grow-gop-actively-sabotaging-aid-effort

14:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/18/fears-new-covid-wave-grow-gop-actively-sabotaging-aid-effort

14:23 TR Bot; Fears of New Covid Wave Grow as GOP Is 'Actively Sabotaging' Aid Effort

14:24 TR News; "Suppose the United States government is guilty of assassination, torture, kidnapping, or other comparably appalling crimes in the name of national securitydo we have the right to know about it?" https://www.thenation.com/article/world/supreme-court-state-secrets/

14:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/world/supreme-court-state-secrets/

14:24 TR Bot; The State Secrets Privilege Is a Tool of Injustice | The Nation

14:25 TR News; Oil kills elephants, too, https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/18/fossil-fuel-extraction-threatens-africas-remaining-elephants/

14:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/18/fossil-fuel-extraction-threatens-africas-remaining-elephants/

14:25 TR Bot; Fuel Extraction Threatens Africas Remaining Elephants - CounterPunch.org

14:31 TR News; Economic Sanctions Kill https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/18/economic-sanctions-kill/ http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/donetsk-and-gulag-or-google-now-bans-parts-of-ukraine-for-being-invaded-by-russia/

14:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/18/economic-sanctions-kill/

14:31 TR Bot; Sanctions Kill - CounterPunch.org

14:31 TR Bot; When Sanctions Go Toxic: Google, Co-Founded by Moscovite, Agrees With Moscow and Recognises Mariupol (Ukraine) as a Part of Russia | Techrights

14:32 TR News; techdirt should quit saying "Big Tech" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/big-tech-pay-outs-to-european-isps-would-just-concentrate-their-power/ it's helping Microsoft lobbyists and even ADVERTISING Microsoft

14:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/big-tech-pay-outs-to-european-isps-would-just-concentrate-their-power/

14:32 TR Bot; Tech Pay-Outs To European ISPs Would Just Concentrate Their Power | Techdirt

14:35 TR News; TorrentFreak scares the copyright cartel https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-company-asks-court-to-keep-filings-secret-as-torrentfreak-might-report-on-them-220318/

14:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-company-asks-court-to-keep-filings-secret-as-torrentfreak-might-report-on-them-220318/

14:35 TR Bot; Company Asks Court to Keep Filings Secret as TorrentFreak Might Report On Them * TorrentFreak

14:36 TR News; "social media company Triller launched an aggressive $100m legal campaign against entities that allegedly streamed the Jake Paul vs Ben Askren boxing match without permission." https://torrentfreak.com/triller-abandons-multi-million-jake-paul-fight-copyright-infringement-lawsuit-220318/

14:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/triller-abandons-multi-million-jake-paul-fight-copyright-infringement-lawsuit-220318/

14:36 TR Bot; Abandons Multi-Million 'Jake Paul' Fight Copyright Infringement Lawsuit * TorrentFreak

14:37 TR News; ">A year ago, the wonderful podcast, 99% Invisible, had a great episode exploring the history of state slogans and other statements ending up on license plates." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/jehovahs-witnesses-abusing-copyright-subpoena-process-to-unmask-critics/

14:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/jehovahs-witnesses-abusing-copyright-subpoena-process-to-unmask-critics/

14:37 TR Bot; Witnesses Abusing Copyright Subpoena Process To Unmask Critics | Techdirt

14:39 TR News; When oligarchs own the media https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/18/corporate-media-accused-cheerleading-us-escalation-ukraine

14:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/18/corporate-media-accused-cheerleading-us-escalation-ukraine

14:39 TR Bot; Corporate Media Accused of 'Cheerleading' for US Escalation in Ukraine

14:40 TR News; "Mike Masnick played catch up on Monsarrats past and present legal problems" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/bad-faith-litigators-defamation-copyright-infringement-lawsuit-shot-down-by-appeals-court/

14:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/18/bad-faith-litigators-defamation-copyright-infringement-lawsuit-shot-down-by-appeals-court/

14:40 TR Bot; Faith Litigators Defamation/Copyright Infringement Lawsuit Shot Down By Appeals Court | Techdirt

14:42 TR News; In the US, being very rich and being a thief increasingly synonymous https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/18/how-fix-americas-badly-broken-system-taxing-ultra-rich

14:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/18/how-fix-americas-badly-broken-system-taxing-ultra-rich

14:42 TR Bot; Opinion | How to Fix Americas Badly Broken System for Taxing the Ultra-Rich | Bob Lord

14:43 TR News; "Finland is the happiest country in the world, followed by Denmark and Iceland, withother Scandinavian social democracies Sweden and Norway not far behind." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/18/social-democracy-lands-finland-atop-world-happiness-ranking

14:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/18/social-democracy-lands-finland-atop-world-happiness-ranking

14:43 TR Bot; Social Democracy Lands Finland Atop World Happiness Ranking

14:51 TR News; "io_uring updates for the 5.18-rc1 merge window." https://lore.kernel.org/io-uring/b7bbc124-8502-0ee9-d4c8-7c41b4487264@kernel.dk/

14:51 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] io_uring updates for 5.18-rc1 - Jens Axboe

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14:54 TR News; Asahi Linux Alpha lets you run Linux on Apple Silicon http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33109

14:54 TR Bot; The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines

14:56 TR News; How CAPTCHA puzzles cloak phishing page URLs in emails - #ElReg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/captcha_phishinbg_url/

14:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/captcha_phishinbg_url/

14:56 TR Bot; How CAPTCHA puzzles cloak phishing page URLs in emails The Register

14:56 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/shooting.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-shooting#comic )

14:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/shooting.png

14:56 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)

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15:22 TR News; Links 19/3/2022: Tor Browser 11.0.9 and LibreSSL 3.5.1/3.4.3/3.3.6 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/tor-browser-11-0-9/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/19/tor-browser-11-0-9/

15:22 TR Bot; Links 19/3/2022: Tor Browser 11.0.9 and LibreSSL 3.5.1/3.4.3/3.3.6 | Techrights

15:29 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/painting.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/rob-painting#comic )

15:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: explosm.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/painting.png

15:29 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)

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15:31 TR News; Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162734

15:31 TR Bot; Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines

15:31 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: FPGAs, DDoS Attacks, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162735

15:31 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: FPGAs, DDoS Attacks, and More | Tux Machines

15:31 TR News; Software and Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162736

15:31 TR Bot; Software and Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

15:33 TR News; 'Owning' land. You know your country is "sold" when... https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/harris-family-land-donation-boise-school-district/277-764e7d4b-2bba-4e98-a39f-d45b38576b28

15:33 TR Bot; family makes land donation to Boise School District | ktvb.com

15:34 TR News; "For the first time in two years, on Monday, March 14, children and staff will come and go to schools without any requirement that they wear face coverings. We recognize and honor the decisions by the authorities to remove the mask mandate." COVID-19 approves, will spread faster now. https://bsd405.org/2022/03/message-to-families-mask-wearing/

15:34 TR Bot; A Message to BSD Families About Mask Wearing Bellevue School District

15:38 TR News; Brian Fox never talks about actual back doors in proprietary software; his company is basing its existence on spreading fear of Free software https://www.infoq.com/news/2022/03/securing-open-source-deployment/

15:38 TR Bot; Securing the Open-Source Software Supply Chain

15:39 TR News; "ethical or white hat hackers employ their expertise to discover and fix vulnerabilities and security hazards in a computer system." https://www.thehindu.com/education/how-to-become-an-ethical-hacker/article65226813.ece

15:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thehindu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thehindu.com/education/how-to-become-an-ethical-hacker/article65226813.ece

15:39 TR Bot; Career in Ethical Hacking - The Hindu

15:43 TR News; The article mentions Shadow Brokers; it's the cost of using Microsoft Windows https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/cyberattack-on-israel-government-websites-crash-71647321572035.html

15:43 TR Bot; Cyberattack on Israel! Government websites crash

15:43 TR News; University of Arkansas teaching GNU/UNIX and Git https://news.uark.edu/articles/59321/upgrade-your-software-skills-with-the-university-libraries

15:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: uark.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.uark.edu/articles/59321/upgrade-your-software-skills-with-the-university-libraries

15:43 TR Bot; Upgrade Your Software Skills With the University Libraries | University of Arkansas

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15:45 TR News; "incidents of improper use of NASA IT systems had increased from 249 in 2017 to 1,103 in 2020 a 343 per cent growth; the most prevalent error was failing to protect Sensitive but unclassified (SBU) information." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/nasa_insider_threat_audit/

15:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/nasa_insider_threat_audit/

15:45 TR Bot; NASA in 'serious jeopardy' due to big black hole in security The Register

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15:46 TR News; LOL "Metaverse"... just keep throwing in some buzzwords for hype's sake https://www.econotimes.com/Blockchain-Pantera-Animoca-Brands-lead-investment-for-Metaverse-Game-Studios-1629232

15:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: econotimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.econotimes.com/Blockchain-Pantera-Animoca-Brands-lead-investment-for-Metaverse-Game-Studios-1629232

15:46 TR Bot; Pantera, Animoca Brands lead investment for Metaverse Game Studios - EconoTimes

15:46 bnchs; why does LLVM need more than 4GB to compile?????

15:46 bnchs; i compiled GCC 11 in 4GB

15:47 SomeH4x0r; because the devilopers want you to buy a new hardware

15:47 SomeH4x0r; then again and again and again, loop

15:47 bnchs; this is why GCC is better than LLVM

15:47 TR News; Calling everything "HEY HI" again... https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/deep_learning_vision_kubric/

15:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/deep_learning_vision_kubric/

15:47 TR Bot; Googlers and friends offer video dataset-generating Kubric The Register

15:47 bnchs; and i still dont know why xorg depends on LLVM

15:47 SomeH4x0r; only a bit

15:47 SomeH4x0r; it is all shit

15:48 SomeH4x0r; computing is fucked up

15:48 bnchs; xorg depends on a compiler

15:48 bnchs; that cant compile in 4GB ram

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15:48 bnchs; now i wonder why the fuck

15:48 SomeH4x0r; we had much less RAM in the past

15:48 SomeH4x0r; bnchs: ^ devilopers

15:49 SomeH4x0r; > because the devilopers want you to buy a new hardware

15:49 bnchs; yes

15:49 SomeH4x0r; > then again and again and again, loop

15:49 TR News; NSA and its partners, like Microsoft, are the world's biggest threat to security because they actively undermine it https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/china_nsa_nopen/

15:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/china_nsa_nopen/

15:49 TR Bot; China claims it captured NSA spy tool that already leaked The Register

15:49 SomeH4x0r; free software is not exempt

15:49 bnchs; but why does xorg really need LLVM

15:49 bnchs; or mesa

15:49 bnchs; why do them really need LLVM

15:50 TR News; "IP" is the wrong term, but low-quality publishers repeat such propaganda terms https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/sifive_alphaware/

15:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/sifive_alphaware/

15:50 TR Bot; RISC-V's SiFive sells connectivity IP to Alphawave The Register

15:51 TR News; The best Raspberry Pi projects you can do at home - Reviewed https://www.reviewed.com/laptops/features/raspberry-pi-projects "The Raspberry Pi is useful for streaming games, running operating systems, making an NAS, playing retro games, and more."

15:51 TR Bot; best Raspberry Pi projects you can do at home - Reviewed

15:51 SomeH4x0r; they don't care what needs what. Software bloat could have been reduced a lot.

15:51 bnchs; yeah

15:51 SomeH4x0r; remember, we had much less RAM, much smaller HDDs and much lower bandwidth in the past

15:52 SomeH4x0r; and less powerful CPUs

15:52 SomeH4x0r; the "progress" is a lie imho, most people don't need it

15:52 bnchs; i'm pretty sure theres a better xorg implementation

15:52 TR News; ICBM moving towards making things even more proprietary... with NVIDIA of course. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/nvidia_gpu_data/

15:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/nvidia_gpu_data/

15:52 TR Bot; Nvidia: How to connect GPUs direct to SSDs for a speed boost The Register

15:54 TR News; Microsoft constantly attacks or tries to control computer languages that it does not control and aren't limited to the monopoly https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/types_in_javascript/ see http://techrights.org/2020/10/18/java-schism-to-wrest-control/

15:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/types_in_javascript/

15:54 TR Bot; Type syntax proposed for JavaScript The Register

15:54 bnchs; how to connect gpus directly to ssds

15:54 TR Bot; Historys Lesson: Microsoft Now Does to GNU/Linux What It Did to Java (Creating Schism to Wrest Control) | Techrights

15:54 bnchs; because WHY NOT

15:54 SomeH4x0r; the devilopers deprecate stuff all the time, they don't care about a few-years-old software no longer building

15:55 TR News; So much surveillance packed into today's cars that they cannot even finish them https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/ford_chip_explorers/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/02/no-control-over-cars/

15:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/ford_chip_explorers/

15:55 TR Bot; Ford to sell unfinished Explorers as chip shortage bites The Register

15:55 TR Bot; Index: Loss of Control Over Cars | Techrights

15:56 TR News; LOL. "Web 3.0 Game". How do I know it's not a "Web 30.0 Game"? https://dailyhodl.com/2022/03/14/delysium-the-worlds-first-playable-aaa-mmo-web-3-0-game-closed-4-million-in-its-first-round-of-private-sale/

15:56 TR Bot; Delysium, the Worlds First Playable AAA MMO Web 3.0 Game, Closed $4 Million in Its First Round of Private Sale - The Daily Hodl

15:56 bnchs; web 3.0 game

15:57 SomeH4x0r; wtf?

15:58 bnchs; its a garbage "metaverse" game

15:58 TR News; By undermining the security of everything the US has weaponised all of technology and other countries can take advantage https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202203/1254856.shtml

15:58 TR Bot; Exclusive: China captures powerful US NSA cyberspy tool - Global Times

15:58 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: let;s define one buzzword

15:58 schestowitz-TR; using anorher

15:58 schestowitz-TR; what is web 3.0?

15:58 schestowitz-TR; it's metaverse?

15:58 schestowitz-TR; what is metaverse?

15:58 bnchs; web 3.0 is a joke

15:59 schestowitz-TR; see why tech "jobs" suck...

15:59 schestowitz-TR; MinceR said the same this past week

15:59 bnchs; web 3.0 should be defined as the age where web got bloated

15:59 schestowitz-TR; they expect you to memorise BS like clown

15:59 schestowitz-TR; and not just memorise it but worship it

15:59 bnchs; and web 4.0 should be "metaverse"

15:59 schestowitz-TR; it became like a religion

15:59 schestowitz-TR; without the deity and that "blasphemous" vocabulary

15:59 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22031037

15:59 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/n01stwk057m81.jpg created on 2022-03-10 13:47:56.313629

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16:00 schestowitz-TR; no job for you until you rewrite your skills using meaningless buzzwords

16:00 schestowitz-TR; there's also Industry 4.0

16:00 schestowitz-TR; and 4th industrial revolution

16:00 schestowitz-TR; hilarity ensues

16:00 bnchs; yes

16:00 bnchs; we should also turn it into a integer

16:00 bnchs; like web 3

16:01 bnchs; because the .0 never gets modified

16:01 MinceR; or you could avoid meaningless buzzwords

16:02 schestowitz-TR; we should

16:02 schestowitz-TR; but that is not enough

16:02 schestowitz-TR; we need to explain to people

16:02 schestowitz-TR; that these are buzzwords

16:02 schestowitz-TR; at the EPO they started blasting the buzzwords

16:03 schestowitz-TR; and that, in turn, can discourage repetition of them

16:03 bnchs; "metaverse" should be defined as modifiable sandbox multiplayer games

16:03 schestowitz-TR; until the buzzwords become self-satirising

16:03 bnchs; you could say minecraft or minetest is "metaverse"

16:04 schestowitz; https://www.apnnews.com/bytexl-adds-education-and-tech-visionaries-to-its-newly-formed-advisory-board/

16:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: apnnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.apnnews.com/bytexl-adds-education-and-tech-visionaries-to-its-newly-formed-advisory-board/

16:04 TR Bot; byteXL Adds Education and Tech Visionaries to its newly formed Advisory Board | APN News

16:04 schestowitz; "He has vast experience of training on Unix, C, C++, OOP, Web technologies, Python and Python based tools for between 10 to 25 years"

16:04 schestowitz; Just seen this

16:04 schestowitz; these are real skills

16:04 schestowitz; the above

16:04 schestowitz; now we have buzzword salads

16:04 bnchs; python and python based tools

16:04 bnchs; OOP

16:04 bnchs; and fucking UNIX

16:04 schestowitz; at the LF they put in charge people with NO technical background

16:04 schestowitz; for something called "Linux"

16:04 bnchs; which part of UNIX are they talking

16:04 schestowitz; doesn't matter

16:05 schestowitz; GNU, UNIX

16:05 schestowitz; the programs have universal names

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16:05 schestowitz; even BSD

16:05 schestowitz; if you can do GNU and bash you can do BSD

16:05 MinceR; i thought "metaverse" was VRML faecesbook

16:05 bnchs; yes

16:05 schestowitz; a few changes here and there, like doas

16:05 bnchs; MinceR: they call roblox "metaverse"

16:05 schestowitz; I think our campaigning against buzzwords is mworking

16:05 MinceR; :>

16:05 bnchs; even though its literally a multiplayer sandbox game with lua interpreter

16:05 schestowitz; I saw inside the EPO how they mock the buzzwords

16:05 bnchs; its a joke

16:06 schestowitz; "HEY HI" caught on

16:06 schestowitz; partly inspired by MinceR

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16:06 schestowitz; with "oh u!"

16:07 schestowitz; if we popuilariuse the ridiculing term, it will harm them

16:07 schestowitz; like social CONTROL media

16:08 bnchs; metaverse

16:08 TR News; "An overview of some of the most popular open-source tools for threat intelligence and threat hunting" https://www.welivesecurity.com/2022/03/14/first-look-threat-intelligence-threat-hunting-tools/

16:08 TR Bot; first look at threat intelligence and threat hunting tools | WeLiveSecurity

16:08 bnchs; whats the metaverse term exactly

16:09 bnchs; "The metaverse can be defined as a simulated digital environment that uses augmented reality (AR), virtual reality (VR), and blockchain, along with concepts from social media, to create spaces for rich user interaction mimicking the real world."

16:09 bnchs; FACEBOOK HAS NO "BLOCKCHAIN"

16:09 schestowitz-TR; haha, distributed database

16:09 schestowitz-TR; the amaaazing database

16:09 bnchs; its not distributed its centralized

16:10 bnchs; in facebook's metaverse

16:10 schestowitz-TR; btw,, that hype wave is yearsd hehind already

16:10 schestowitz-TR; it peaked around 2018 or 19

16:10 schestowitz-TR; not that term is barely used anymore

16:11 MinceR; distributed between 2 servers owned by fuckerberg

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16:12 bnchs; mark fuckerbitch

16:12 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.46 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.17

16:13 bnchs; most of the "metaverse" examples don't even follow some of the points a "metaverse" must have

16:13 bnchs; 1) AR 2) VR 3) "Blockchain"

16:13 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162737

16:13 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

16:13 bnchs; and 4) social control media

16:13 TR News; Ads disguised as articles? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162737#comment-33110

16:13 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

16:14 TR News; Web3 OMG OMG OMG! Web3 OMG OMG OMG! Web3 OMG OMG OMG! https://cointelegraph.com/press-releases/web3-triple-a-game-delysium-closes-4-million-in-first-private-round

16:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cointelegraph.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://cointelegraph.com/press-releases/web3-triple-a-game-delysium-closes-4-million-in-first-private-round

16:14 TR Bot; Web3 triple-A game Delysium closes 4 million in first private round

16:14 TR News; Aral Balkan: Web3 is Bullshit Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/01/29/web3-is-bullshit/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/01/29/web3-is-bullshit/

16:15 TR Bot; Aral Balkan: Web3 is Bullshit | Techrights

16:15 bnchs; web 3 fr fr

16:15 bnchs; no cap

16:15 bnchs; hanging out with my homies in the web 3 metaverse fr

16:15 bnchs; fr fr nocap

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16:16 TR News; Brave is not privacy but a belief system https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/brave_bounce_tracking/

16:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/brave_bounce_tracking/

16:16 TR Bot; Brave browser to tackle 'bounce tracking' The Register

16:16 TR News; Maybe bribe microbel some more for AMD spam https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/08/amds_ryzen_threadripper/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/

16:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/08/amds_ryzen_threadripper/

16:16 TR Bot; AMD announces more Threadripper Pro processors The Register

16:16 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights

16:17 TR News; Proprietary software is the world software out there. Microsoft is best at making it suck. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/windows_reset_fix_onedrive/

16:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/windows_reset_fix_onedrive/

16:17 TR Bot; Microsoft fixes OneDrive file reset bug on Windows The Register

16:19 bnchs; onedrive file reset bug

16:19 bnchs; people still trust microsoft's computers to store their data

16:19 TR News; How to make Windows users even more brainwashed and dumber https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/file_explorer_ad/ Windows is a "Burning Platform"(TM) http://techrights.org/2022/01/26/microsoft-delighted-by-failure/

16:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/file_explorer_ad/

16:19 TR Bot; Windows Insiders spot ads in File Explorer The Register

16:20 TR Bot; Microsoft Delighted by Windows 11 (Vista 11) Usage, Which is Only 1% Three Months After Official Launch and Six Months After Release Online | Techrights

16:20 bnchs; windows users still defend ads like a cuck

16:21 TR News; TechNewsWorld posting SPAM for Gulag, whose 'clown' bubble is failing so badly that there are layoffs, just like at Microsoft Azure https://www.technewsworld.com/story/google-cloud-seeks-to-cure-retailers-search-woes-help-compete-with-amazon-87219.html

16:21 TR Bot; Cloud Seeks To Cure Retailers' Search Woes, Help Compete With Amazon | TechNewsWorld

16:21 bnchs; google "clown" cure what?

16:22 TR News; Wait till they discover the price of gas https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/sunderland-gas-explosion-firefighters-praised-23131195 https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/firefighters-put-grenfell-tower-learning-to-the-test-on-exercise-3605540

16:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: sunderlandecho.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/firefighters-put-grenfell-tower-learning-to-the-test-on-exercise-3605540

16:22 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/sunderland-gas-explosion-firefighters-praised-23131195 )

16:22 TR Bot; Firefighters put Grenfell Tower learning to the test on exercise at Sunderland's Amble Tower | Sunderland Echo

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16:22 DaemonFC; Okay, new Trash Can.

16:22 DaemonFC; Let's see if this one is as much of a disaster as the last one.

16:23 DaemonFC; They said they'd make a note for the warehouse to flash this one to the latest firmware before it got sent out.

16:23 TR News; Nature https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/leopard-seal-hunting-gentoo-penguin-also-snags-first-place-in-world-nature-photography-awards-180979715/

16:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: smithsonianmag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/leopard-seal-hunting-gentoo-penguin-also-snags-first-place-in-world-nature-photography-awards-180979715/

16:23 TR Bot; A Penguin Faces Death by Leopard Seal in Jaw-Dropping Grand Prize Image | Smart News | Smithsonian Magazine

16:23 TR News; China: No COVID-19 here. THIS IS JUST A DRILL!! https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/shenzhen_lockdown/

16:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/shenzhen_lockdown/

16:23 TR Bot; Shenzhen, Chinas top tech city, locks down for a week The Register

16:25 TR News; Millions of Americans live in tents and inside cars. But the money goes to Pentagon espionage giants like Microsoft (bailing the company out at taxpayers' expense) and SPACE programmes! https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/10/nasa_2022_buget/

16:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/10/nasa_2022_buget/

16:25 TR Bot; NASA awaits approval of its $24bn 2022 budget The Register

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16:27 TR News; Far more coverage about local privilege escalation in Linux than "remote-code-exec" in Microsoft (yes, remote; you don't need a user account) https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/microsoft_patch_tuesday/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/a-media-of-masturbating-monkeys/

16:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/microsoft_patch_tuesday/

16:27 TR Bot; Microsoft patches 71 security vulnerabilities, 3 critical The Register

16:27 TR Bot; This is the Medias Equivalent of What Linus Torvalds Called Masturbating Monkeys | Techrights

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16:28 TR News; "based on the Linux kernel and open-source projects such as Switchdev" https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/08/dent_os_2/

16:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/08/dent_os_2/

16:28 TR Bot; Dent OS 2.0 targets small and mid-size firms The Register

16:29 TR News; Uber kills people https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/in_brief_ai/

16:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/in_brief_ai/

16:29 TR Bot; Driver in Uber's self-driving car death goes on trial The Register

16:30 TR News; Uber: we mow down pedestrian like some terrorists... we then blame "HEY HI".... "lol, real sorry. ok, lads, back to work..."

16:30 bnchs; uber self-driving car is actually driven by a GTA player

16:30 schestowitz-TR; an angry one

16:30 schestowitz-TR; like their ceo

16:30 bnchs; "dont worry its just a game"

16:31 TR News; It probably has no Russian customers or barely any (but this is a PR stunt) https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/mongodb_terminates_russian_saas/

16:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/mongodb_terminates_russian_saas/

16:31 TR Bot; MongoDB to terminate Russian SaaS accounts The Register

16:32 bnchs; nobody used mongoDB saas

16:32 TR News; Clown computing in a nutshell: "MongoDB is terminating Russian accounts. Makes you wonder how your IT may look like if other IaaS, PaaS and SaaS providers will decide to shut you down. What if AWS decided to shut down your account? How business critical is your reliance on the cloud?" https://nitter.eu/BrodtOleg/status/1502587827783098371

16:32 TR Bot; Oleg Brodt (@BrodtOleg): "MongoDB is terminating Russian accounts. Makes you wonder how your IT may look like if other IaaS, PaaS and SaaS providers will decide to shut you down. What if AWS decided to shut down your account? How business critical is your reliance on the cloud?" | nitter

16:33 bnchs; clown is unreliable

16:33 TR News; ICBM pretends to still be relevant. I never saw anyone using these. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/ibm_cloudant_couchdb/

16:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/ibm_cloudant_couchdb/

16:33 TR Bot; IBM Cloudant ends backing of FoundationDB version of CouchDB The Register

16:33 bnchs; theres people who unironically say "just buy a thin client and use the cloud they have powerful servers"

16:34 TR News; Why does Agam Shah help Microsoft spread spam? He should know better. Criminals painting themselves as "Research" isn't cool.

16:35 TR News; Is this webspam or SPAM obligatory? Paid for? https://www.wepc.com/news/onexplayer-mini-vs-steam-deck/

16:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: wepc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.wepc.com/news/onexplayer-mini-vs-steam-deck/

16:35 TR Bot; Mini VS Steam Deck: Which one you should buy? | WePC

16:35 TR News; Obviously webspam https://www.wepc.com/news/onexplayer-mini-vs-steam-deck/

16:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: wepc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.wepc.com/news/onexplayer-mini-vs-steam-deck/

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16:35 TR News; Ads disguised as "reports" or "articles" have ruins the Web, injured the Internet https://itwire.com/freelancer-sp-720/datacom-becomes-a-zscaler-msp.html #webspam

16:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/freelancer-sp-720/datacom-becomes-a-zscaler-msp.html

16:35 TR Bot; - Datacom becomes a Zscaler MSP

16:36 schestowitz-TR; hi, prompted

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16:36 bnchs; hi zedomatix

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16:36 prompted; hey

16:36 TR News; When you over-speculate about future success https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/arm_job_cuts/

16:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/arm_job_cuts/

16:36 TR Bot; Arm to lay off up to 15% of staff about 1,000 people The Register

16:36 MinceR; hay

16:38 TR News; Only fools use clown computing. The biggest of fools choose Microsoft for that. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/08/azure_autowarp_flaw/ see http://techrights.org/2021/09/30/azure-brute-force/

16:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/08/azure_autowarp_flaw/

16:38 TR Bot; Microsoft Azure flaw allowed unauthorized account access The Register

16:38 TR Bot; Microsoft Whistleblower and Clients Warned, More Than 2 Years Ago in Fact, About the Current Azure Mess (But Microsoft Ignored Those Warnings, Buried Facts) | Techrights

16:39 bnchs; you cant audit your "clown"'s security

16:39 schestowitz-TR; lol

16:39 schestowitz-TR; "trust us"

16:39 schestowitz-TR; I had this talk 2 nights ago

16:39 bnchs; for all you know they could be hosting in a shitty windows 98 computer in a basement

16:39 schestowitz-TR; too many foolks out there

16:39 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, AT&T is being sued (class action) over their "5GE" thing.

16:39 bnchs; connected directly to WAN

16:39 schestowitz-TR; they conflate compliance with "we can blame x"

16:39 schestowitz-TR; but of course you can never blame them

16:39 schestowitz-TR; they don't even let you see logs

16:40 schestowitz; case of point: http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/

16:40 TR Bot; GitHub is Microsofts Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonicals Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly Its Ubuntus Fault? | Techrights

16:40 schestowitz-TR; clown is a bubble

16:40 schestowitz-TR; it is a US funded effort to bring back the mainframea

16:40 bnchs; yes

16:40 schestowitz-TR; and compel companies to abandon their servers

16:40 bnchs; they actually encourage users

16:40 schestowitz-TR; by making them very expensive in effoicial; channels

16:40 bnchs; to buy weak tablets or thin clients

16:41 schestowitz-TR; then saying

16:41 schestowitz-TR; come to papa, it's cheaper

16:41 bnchs; and just connect them to the "clown"

16:41 kingoffrance; notj ust servers, and destroy the "personal computer"

16:41 schestowitz-TR; then they do the spying and fee hikes

16:41 schestowitz-TR; anmd cut off "RUSHANS"

16:41 bnchs; they can cut off people from accessing their data

16:41 schestowitz-TR; 'their'

16:41 bnchs; their + the clown's

16:42 schestowitz-TR; apple statrted assuming it needs to scan all files, too

16:42 schestowitz-TR; because only pedophiles would buy apple

16:42 bnchs; also microsoft's onedrive ads in file manager

16:42 bnchs; they NAG you to use onedrive

16:42 bnchs; at startup

16:43 TR News; Ironic that MICROSOFT would say that. It infiltrates orgs and puts moles in them, people who treat Microsoft as a religion and reject actual facts. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/microsoft_work_trends_index/

16:43 TR Bot; Microsoft: Half of bosses say leadership 'out of touch' The Register

16:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/microsoft_work_trends_index/

16:43 bnchs; microsoft is a joke nowadays

16:43 TR News; Microsoft is not a tech company but organised crime with some products (things it bought) on the side. It does not need to actually compete, owing to the crime. http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/

16:44 TR Bot; EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights

16:44 bnchs; corporate work environment gets parodied everytime

16:44 bnchs; amazon's patent for the WAGIE CAGIE

16:44 bnchs; get in the case, wagie

16:44 TR News; When you outsource your shop https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ftc_cafepress_settlement/

16:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/ftc_cafepress_settlement/

16:44 TR Bot; CafePress fined for covering up customer info leak The Register

16:46 TR News; No, DST itself was the cause of many bugs and troubles. Throwing it out the windows will, in due course, fix many issues and woes. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/us_senate_dst_forever/

16:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/us_senate_dst_forever/

16:46 TR Bot; US Senate agrees on permanent daylight saving time The Register

16:46 bnchs; https://www.seattletimes.com/business/amazon/amazon-has-patented-a-system-that-would-put-workers-in-a-cage-on-top-of-a-robot/

16:46 MinceR; sounds like a self-driving car

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16:46 bnchs; get in the fucking cage BITCH

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16:47 TR News; Historically it was Microsoft struggling with DST. Its software is faaaaaarrrrr too shoddy. It's a lot more expensive than the clergy/moles that implant it inside organisations want you to believe....

16:48 bnchs; yeah it us

16:48 schestowitz-TR; maybe even chinese sweatshop will have greater freedom than amazon serfs

16:48 MinceR; https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/169/432/612.jpg

16:48 bnchs; its supposed to be for entering "robot-only" areas

16:48 schestowitz-TR; like people who cannot take toilet breaks

16:48 schestowitz-TR; what next? adult diapers?

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16:49 bnchs; in the future

16:49 bnchs; they're gonna buy a prison

16:49 bnchs; and place the workers there

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16:50 XRevan86; MinceR: I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as a robot, is in fact, a huge humanoid cyborg, or as I've recently taken to calling it, a fever dream on legs.

16:50 TR News; 2021 hardcore list of linux distributions without elogind and other systemd parts: Edited: March 19th 2022 (replacing older strict list) https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2022/03/19/333/

16:50 MinceR; or just turn earth into a prison

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16:50 MinceR; XRevan86: lol

16:50 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: careful what you wish for..

16:51 schestowitz-TR; many apartments are indistinguishable from prisons\

16:51 schestowitz-TR; and many animals live in such apartments or in zoos

16:52 schestowitz-TR; aliens pass by earth

16:52 schestowitz-TR; and say,

16:52 bnchs; they already have these pods in cali

16:52 bnchs; for people who cant afford an apartment let alone a house

16:52 schestowitz-TR; "wtf is this? whose prison is this planet? looks like a penitentiary."

16:52 bnchs; theres absolutely no privacy there

16:52 bnchs; have fun watching the thing you wanna watch

16:52 schestowitz-TR; japan buried people in stacks

16:53 schestowitz-TR; to save ground space

16:57 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I mentioned Frost for Facebook on WGN's post about "Facebook Protect", when I was going down a list of reasons not to use Samsung or any of Facebook's apps.

16:58 DaemonFC; I included: "I don't like Facebook and they're surely not going to go crawling through my phone, contacts, all of my device sensors, listening to my microphone whenever they want, etc. Most people are fools and they allow all of this spying and more. The average person with an iPhone or Galaxy Phone or using Facebook's apps is worth about $3-4 to Facebook, per year, and they spy on them that much to get it."

16:58 TR News; What the new PowerVR driver means for mobile Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162738

16:59 schestowitz-TR; ok Protec[12:25] <techrights-news> "Unfortunately, the email that Facebook sent from the address security@facebookmail.com resembled a rather common form of spam" https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/18/22984802/facebook-protect-lock-out-twitter

16:59 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: a lot f today's tech is malware

16:59 schestowitz-TR; there ARE alternatives

16:59 schestowitz-TR; they are not always widely used

5 PM, March 19

17:00 schestowitz-TR; afaik you are still into mobile phones

17:00 schestowitz-TR; this past week our kettle died

17:00 schestowitz-TR; after just one year

17:00 schestowitz-TR; we won't even buy a new one

17:00 schestowitz-TR; today's appliances are so cheaply made

17:00 schestowitz-TR; even the "Expensive" ones

17:00 schestowitz-TR; I don't want to buy kettles every 12 months

17:00 schestowitz-TR; we'll do it the old way

17:00 schestowitz-TR; so the issue isn't limited to "high" tech

17:00 schestowitz-TR; but appliance also

17:01 schestowitz-TR; they do not last long

17:01 schestowitz-TR; cheap components

17:01 schestowitz-TR; no RCA age

17:01 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Alternative to Apple Bonjour Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162739

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17:02 TR News; Wow, Such a high proportion of iTWire "articles" can be described as webspam. I never saw it that bad...

17:02 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> today's appliances are so cheaply made

17:03 DaemonFC; Well, we got a $10 electric kettle off Amazon.

17:03 DaemonFC; 1.5 years later it still works fine.

17:03 DaemonFC; I think they're like $12 now.

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17:03 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> no RCA age

17:03 TR News; Sam Varghese is probably the one one there who actually covers issues, and he too rarely does it anymore https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/open-slather-as-abc-leaks-data-to-google,-facebook,-tealium-et-al.html

17:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/government-tech-news/technology-regulation/open-slather-as-abc-leaks-data-to-google,-facebook,-tealium-et-al.html

17:03 DaemonFC; Dad worked for their RCA TV plant in Marion for almost 30 years.

17:04 bnchs; TVs are full of these marketing bullshit

17:04 DaemonFC; There are still TVs out there, same model as the 1985 set we had in our family room, that still work.

17:04 bnchs; like LG ThinQ AI

17:04 bnchs; what does that mean? nobody knows

17:04 bnchs; but it sounds cool I MUST BUY

17:04 DaemonFC; I went to a Salvation Army thrift store about a year ago and there was one there that still worked.

17:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, They do break down though, and not many people still know how to fix them.

17:05 DaemonFC; Everyone in mom's family had my dad fix their set when they had problems out of it.

17:05 TR News; With proprietary software there is never evidence because it is secret and thus, by default, untrustworthy. Germany should be banning all software software, no matter its nationality. https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/kaspersky-ceo-says-no-evidence-for-german-warning-about-his-firm.html

17:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/kaspersky-ceo-says-no-evidence-for-german-warning-about-his-firm.html

17:05 DaemonFC; He'd unplug it and take the backing out and mess around with it for a while and turn it on, and it worked fine again for years before there was another issue with it.

17:06 DaemonFC; He knew what all of the trouble spots were with those models because he worked in the design department.

17:06 DaemonFC; There's no such thing as an appliance that goes out without any problems.

17:06 DaemonFC; Even back then, and even with union labor and parts that were not cut rate.

17:07 DaemonFC; But you could repair them and keep going. Some TV repair shop was almost always nearby.

17:07 TR News; They wrongly assume that each attack means a breach; this is the Microsoft mindset because its software is unsafe by design. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/in_brief_security/

17:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/in_brief_security/

17:08 DaemonFC; You can, of course, repair a flat screen TV, but by the time it konks out, it usually costs more to repair it than it would to just buy a new TV set that has better specifications anyway.

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17:09 TR News; Gulag reminds clown computing clowns that their clownish behaviour is irrational and irresponsible. They're in NO CONTROL over the budget. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/google_introduces_new_cloud_infrastructure/

17:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/google_introduces_new_cloud_infrastructure/

17:09 DaemonFC; My grandmother's console set finally died in like 2007 or something and she got one of the last plasma sets that they had on the shelves (at Sears of all places).

17:09 DaemonFC; Nobody my mom has been with knows what to look for in a TV when they go to buy one.

17:09 DaemonFC; Gonad bought a reverse projection TV with no internal HD tuner.

17:10 DaemonFC; Grandma got a plasma set. (HD with a tuner at least, but none of them were energy star rated because the technology was not efficient.)

17:11 DaemonFC; John's step-dad had a reverse projection set he was still buying bulbs for.

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17:11 DaemonFC; There's a bulb in there, they cost a lot of money (especially now).

17:11 TR News; Microsoft TCO in action: "The Microsoft Exchange server was out of action and two days' worth of emails were lost, as detailed by the company blog at the time." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/brit_solicitor_fined_for_failing/ http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/

17:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/brit_solicitor_fined_for_failing/

17:11 DaemonFC; They get really hot, waste a lot of power, and they usually don't just burn out.

17:11 DaemonFC; They get dimmer and dimmer until you can barely see the picture.

17:12 TR News; The integrity of the Internet is under attack https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/nominet_suspends_russian_registrars/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/

17:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/nominet_suspends_russian_registrars/

17:14 TR News; "vulnerability in its processors that can be exploited by malware to steal data from memory that should otherwise be off limits." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/spectre_bti_intel_amd_arm/

17:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/spectre_bti_intel_amd_arm/

17:14 bnchs; lol x86 shit

17:14 TR News; " Linux-based real time operating system. Edge Computer (752-9400/752-9401) comes with a Debian Linux operating system, quad-core Atom processor, 64 GB flash memory and 4 GB or 8 GB of RAM." https://www.controlglobal.com/articles/2022/15-new-controllers-that-add-digital-bells-and-whistles/

17:21 TR News; Russia hasn't yet enabled its splinternet amid Ukraine war - #ElReg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/04/russia_splinternet_tor_rumours/

17:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/04/russia_splinternet_tor_rumours/

17:21 TR News; Snap vs. AppImage vs. Flatpak: What Is the Difference and Which Is Best for You? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162740

17:21 DaemonFC; AMD this time, which people figured were at least better than Intel.

17:21 DaemonFC; Now there's dozens more SPECTRE-like vulnerabilities, but at least mjg59_ can praise Microsoft Pluton.

17:22 DaemonFC; Which.....actually doesn't protect against any of the real threats. It's a smoke screen. Lets them pretend there's security.

17:22 DaemonFC; They like marketing blurbs and toggle switches in Windows.

17:22 DaemonFC; But nothing gets better, in fact.

17:23 TR News; As if money can solve all issues... https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/chip_startups_funding/ just cveating more pollution and waste

17:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/chip_startups_funding/

17:23 DaemonFC; There is actually no real improvement in the percentage of malware-compromised Windows devices since around Windows 7 or so.

17:24 DaemonFC; They shuffled things around in XP SP2, and that broke a lot of actual software you wanted to run, stopped some malware as a side effect.

17:24 DaemonFC; When it comes to compatibility vs. making gains against malware, Microsoft will choose compatibility.

17:24 DaemonFC; So it turns into a platform that's really compatible with all kinds of malware.

17:25 TR News; "There are like, five ATM-ish kiosks inside the bank. I don't know what they're all for. I think the way people pay bills and send money is very different here but I'm still learning." Banks killing off their own workers now. For PROFIT. gemini://sixohthree.com/log/banking.gmi

17:25 DaemonFC; The more they add to it, the more stuff is there, full of bugs, for malware to use, that they won't get rid of.

17:25 TR News; "I needed the teller (cashier?) to deposit some foreign currency into my account. The exchange rates were displayed right there on a big screen behind him. There was a chip reader at the counter, and I put in my card and PIN to authenticate myself. No reading off my account number through the plexiglass." gemini://sixohthree.com/log/banking.gmi

17:25 DaemonFC; I'm not very surprised that there's still an embedded OS/2 market.

17:25 DaemonFC; Very few malware developers would have access to such a system or knowledge of how to build programs for it.

17:26 DaemonFC; Windows is all over the place.

17:27 TR News; Sadly, when it comes to FB, I happen to be on the same side as Vladimir Putin. Look what you have done, Mark Zuckerberg! https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/russia_meta/

17:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/russia_meta/

17:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, These T-Mobile Home Internet pods are just awful. They have a new model out that's apparently less flaky.

17:27 schestowitz-TR; seems so

17:28 DaemonFC; But the woman said they have a shortage and those only go to new customers.

17:28 schestowitz-TR; you go off and on line a lot

17:28 schestowitz-TR; we have many spares here

17:28 DaemonFC; Some of that is laptop stuff. Closing the lid.

17:28 schestowitz-TR; usually older versions

17:28 schestowitz-TR; but those would still work

17:28 DaemonFC; But every once in a while the modem just froze up.

17:28 DaemonFC; We'll see if this one does.

17:29 TR News; "The consortium formed by Dyne.org, RIDDLE&CODE and InfoCert has entered the second phase of the European Blockchain Services Infrastructure (EBSI) project" https://www.streetinsider.com/Business+Wire/ZENBRIDGE%2C+Developed+by+Dyne.org%2C+RIDDLE%26amp%3BCODE+and+InfoCert%2C+Selected+for+Phase+2+of+the+European+Blockchain+Pre-Commercial+Procurement/19787877.html

17:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: streetinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.streetinsider.com/Business+Wire/ZENBRIDGE%2C+Developed+by+Dyne.org%2C+RIDDLE%26amp%3BCODE+and+InfoCert%2C+Selected+for+Phase+2+of+the+European+Blockchain+Pre-Commercial+Procurement/19787877.html

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17:31 TR News; Misses the point that Microsoft was shipping this malware https://www.csoonline.com/article/3654298/developer-sabotages-own-npm-module-prompting-open-source-supply-chain-security-questions.html

17:33 TR News; Fake security, proprietary junk, propped up by the frauds from Gartner https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/10/fortinet_security_asics/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gartner_Group

17:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/10/fortinet_security_asics/

17:35 TR News; UK outsourcing with clownwashing. This shows a misguided approach, which likely favours foreign companies that actively engage in political and industrial espionage. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/5bn_uk_g_cloud_deals/

17:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/5bn_uk_g_cloud_deals/

17:36 TR News; Always blaming someone else... https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/07/who_me/

17:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/07/who_me/

17:37 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/exotic_lily_iab_google/

17:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/exotic_lily_iab_google/

17:39 TR News; "suspected of lifting trade secrets or poaching talent from China-owned firms." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/taiwan_china_tech_worker_raids/

17:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/14/taiwan_china_tech_worker_raids/

17:40 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/thrxfr/depressed_bloated_penguin/

17:41 TR News; Dataset of first appearances of the scholarly bibliographic references on Wikipedia articles https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-022-01190-z

17:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nature.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-022-01190-z

17:42 TR News; thales = mass surveillance https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide-transport/fare-collection-management/magazine/dream-ticket

17:44 TR News; This is webspam or SPAM on the Web. It's disguised as "journalism". The state of the WWW is truly appalling. https://www.scotsman.com/business/edinburgh-healthcare-software-firm-craneware-fighting-fit-as-revenues-double-3609624

17:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: scotsman.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.scotsman.com/business/edinburgh-healthcare-software-firm-craneware-fighting-fit-as-revenues-double-3609624

17:44 TR News; Commercial in the form of 'article' https://www.theceomagazine.com/executive-interviews/it-electronics/charles-lee-2/

17:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theceomagazine.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theceomagazine.com/executive-interviews/it-electronics/charles-lee-2/

17:44 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, The lawyers know that AT&T will give up and settle on the 5GE lawsuit. For far less than the money they made convincing people their LTE network was "the first 5G coverage in the nation".

17:45 DaemonFC; People don't get marketing. Mandy thought his sister's AT&T phones had "5GE" and I said, "No, there is no such thing. They can make the SIM card tell your phone it's whatever they want it to say.".

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17:46 schestowitz-TR; I have G9.8

17:46 schestowitz-TR; so do you, I guess

17:46 schestowitz; 9.8 m/s2 on earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_battery

17:46 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_gravity

17:47 immibis; gravity batteries are kinda fun but they don't store enough energy for anything more than a small LED light

17:48 DaemonFC; "After much controversy, in 2019, an AT&T executive came out to clarify that the reason behind labeling its 4G LTE service as 5GE is to let the customer know that they are in an enhanced experience market or area and when 5G software or 5G devices show up, there will be a network upgrade to enable customers to move to 5G.

17:48 DaemonFC; Since then, AT&T stopped its 5GE advertisements to avoid more confusion."

17:48 DaemonFC; They're in an "enhanced marketing area". LOL

17:48 DaemonFC; MARISOL

17:48 immibis; 9.8 J/kg/m, maybe at a stretch you have a 20kg weight and a height of 5m, that stores almost a kilojoule

17:49 immibis; that is like 10 seconds of average human pedalling. It's not nothing, but it's also not a lot

17:49 DaemonFC; "We don't even need to lie. You people are so stupid we can tell you what we're doing and you'll still pay us!"

17:49 DaemonFC; AT&T....also Microsoft.

17:49 immibis; also the people who told DaemonFC that black people were bad

17:51 DaemonFC; Nobody had to tell me anything.

17:51 DaemonFC; You just observe in silence.

17:51 prompted; you in silence?

17:51 DaemonFC; The moment where she became upset and attacked a McDonalds worker with a plexiglass COVID sneeze guard.

17:51 DaemonFC; For telling her to wear a mask.

17:52 DaemonFC; Then she ran out the door and down the street.

17:52 DaemonFC; I mean, that's small.

17:52 DaemonFC; There's a million others just like that.

17:52 prompted; must be a trump supporter

17:52 DaemonFC; I can't remember how many things I've seen in just the last 5 years that no civilized person would do.

17:53 immibis; fine, the people who told DaemonFC that it's not the fault of the last generation of white people, that black people were bad

17:53 immibis; last and current*

17:53 DaemonFC; You're over there just trying to eat a cheeseburger and "YOU CAN'T TELL ME TO WEAR A MASK BISCH! I FUCKIN KILL YOU!!!! SMACK SMACK SMACK!!!!"

17:53 DaemonFC; Anyway, bbiab.

17:54 immibis; that stuff was caused by russian covid propaganda

17:54 prompted; i agree that eating a burger with a mask is a very difficult task

6 PM, March 19

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18:07 TR News; Customize GNOME Desktop in Ubuntu with a Clean Look Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162741

18:10 TR News; Linux Foundation badmouthing what it claims to be for. Than again, consider who runs it. The very enemies of its mission. https://thenewstack.io/can-open-source-sustain-itself-without-losing-its-soul/ see http://techrights.org/2022/02/18/linux-foundation-board-2022/

18:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenewstack.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thenewstack.io/can-open-source-sustain-itself-without-losing-its-soul/

18:11 TR News; They are not free. These are proprietary traps. https://www.musicradar.com/news/6-free-software-tools-for-singer-songwriters

18:12 TR News; Way for Gulag to distract from the anti-black discrimination, which culminated in lawsuits https://businesspost.ng/general/google-employees-to-upgrade-tefconnect-platform/

18:12 TR News; Russia never needed them in the first place and they likely did more harm than good https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/07/dxc_pwc_kpmg_accenture_quit_russia/

18:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/07/dxc_pwc_kpmg_accenture_quit_russia/

18:13 TR News; Deere unlawfully withholds repair tools and info, FTC told - #ElReg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/07/deere_repair_ftc/

18:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/07/deere_repair_ftc/

18:13 TR News; Proprietary software/spyware from Gulag. Use OSM instead. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/google_maps_outage/

18:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/google_maps_outage/

18:15 TR News; Walton Family Foundation. Ewwww... so they kill millions, then give "$685,330 grant" https://news.uark.edu/articles/59355/new-program-will-identify-healthcare-challenges-and-design-solutions

18:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: uark.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.uark.edu/articles/59355/new-program-will-identify-healthcare-challenges-and-design-solutions

18:16 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: ^

18:16 schestowitz-TR; they are not oligarchs

18:16 schestowitz-TR; they are... filasssrofist

18:17 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22031268

18:17 MinceR; not oligarchs but kleptocrats?

18:17 TR News; Openwashing https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220314005848/en/Redis-Delivers-RedisJSON-2.0-a-Fast-Flexible-Document-Database-to-Create-Dynamic-Digital-Experiences

18:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: businesswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220314005848/en/Redis-Delivers-RedisJSON-2.0-a-Fast-Flexible-Document-Database-to-Create-Dynamic-Digital-Experiences

18:18 TR News; SAP is not a community but a malicious proprietary software company that leaks out details of its serfs https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/sap_customer_influence_leak/

18:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/sap_customer_influence_leak/

18:20 TR News; Microsoft kills everything it touches https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/matthew-wilson/perfect-dark-director-leaves-the-initiative/?PageSpeed=noscript

18:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: kitguru.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/matthew-wilson/perfect-dark-director-leaves-the-initiative/?PageSpeed=noscript

18:22 TR News; First Amendment Scholars Want to See the Media Lose These Cases - The New York Times https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/business/media/fox-news-first-amendment-sullivan.html

18:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/13/business/media/fox-news-first-amendment-sullivan.html

18:22 TR News; "The official declaration this week means that Isaiah Andrews, 84, can seek damages from the State of Ohio for spending more than half his life in prison after being wrongly convicted of killing his wife." https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/us/isaiah-andrews-released-ohio.html

18:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/11/us/isaiah-andrews-released-ohio.html

18:25 TR News; Proprietary software https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/11/riverbed_vulnerabilities/

18:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/11/riverbed_vulnerabilities/

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18:44 XRevan86; https://smbc-comics.com/comic/scythe It's pretty obvious this was done months in advance.

18:44 MinceR; :)

18:44 TR News; Asahi Linux Reaches Alpha Milestone, Brings Linux to M1 Macs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33111

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18:46 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162742

18:46 prompted; macs are going hypersonic

18:47 schestowitz-TR; towards the wall

18:47 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: right?

18:47 MinceR; i guess

18:47 MinceR; did someone put a jet engine in a TrashCan Pro case or something?

18:47 schestowitz-TR; lol

18:50 TR News; Privacy/surveillance slant, too https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/smartphone_lidar_medical/

18:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/smartphone_lidar_medical/

18:51 prompted; hypersonic speed is one that exceeds 5 times the speed of sound

18:51 prompted; were 5 iterations away

18:51 TR News; Charlatans making up new buzzword: coordicide https://thegww.com/iota-coordicide-developer-hans-moog-sees-breakthrough-on-the-way-to-decentralization/

18:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thegww.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thegww.com/iota-coordicide-developer-hans-moog-sees-breakthrough-on-the-way-to-decentralization/

18:51 MinceR; someone took a fashion accessory on board a hypersonic plane?

18:52 TR News; Canon has no "IP"; the media uses propaganda terms https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/itc_judge_recommends_banning_ink/

18:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/itc_judge_recommends_banning_ink/

18:53 TR News; Companies rush to break the Internet https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/04/cogent_cuts_off_russia/ integrity of the Internet is under attack href="http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/

18:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/04/cogent_cuts_off_russia/

18:54 schestowitz-TR; prompted: Red Hat's parent company did that many decades ago

18:54 schestowitz-TR; ICBM

18:54 schestowitz-TR; they can do like 12 machs IIRC

18:54 schestowitz-TR; even in the 1970s

18:54 schestowitz-TR; final phase

18:54 prompted; all with out m1 chips

18:55 schestowitz-TR; without any chips almost

18:55 schestowitz-TR; and no GPS

18:55 kingoffrance; re: comic, scythe is a crescent/croissant moon im sure :) fertile + death, two in one :D

18:55 TR News; Stable Kernels: 5.16.16, 5.15.30, 5.10.107, and 5.4.186 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162743

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18:58 TR News; "Programmable money" sounds like crank stuff https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/18/join-us-tomorrow-for-defi-and-the-future-of-programmable-money/

18:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techcrunch.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://techcrunch.com/2022/03/18/join-us-tomorrow-for-defi-and-the-future-of-programmable-money/

18:58 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22031257

18:59 TR News; If you refused to patch your system for over 3 months https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/linux_botnet_log4j/

18:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/linux_botnet_log4j/

7 PM, March 19

19:00 prompted; 18% [2 linux-image-5.15.30-xanmod1 2669 kB/69,8 MB 4%] 149 kB/s 7min 31s

19:00 TR News; The Register has just posted SPAM for Microsoft. True Webspam. greenwashing a source of pollution. "Microsoft datacenter to heat homes in Finland"... right, and nukes (when detonated) clean up the surface for agriculture too

19:01 TR News; Well, you would be far better off using Free software to achieve this https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/03/15/2403361/0/en/JumpCloud-and-BambooHR-Partner-to-Accelerate-Automate-and-Secure-Employee-Onboarding-and-Offboarding.html

19:02 prompted; anyone using Drauger OS ?

19:03 TR News; CLOWNFLARE: We LOSE money to BREAK the Web. To divide, exclude, ruin, make it LESS safe. "Please turn JavaScript on and reload the page."

19:03 TR News; Bloat. https://www.makeuseof.com/avoid-overwhelm-project-management-software/

19:04 prompted; nukes (when detonated) clean up the surface for wildlife

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19:04 TR News; Surveillance creeps in. See photo. https://www.ekathimerini.com/society/1179585/five-fascinating-inventions-by-schoolchildren/

19:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ekathimerini.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ekathimerini.com/society/1179585/five-fascinating-inventions-by-schoolchildren/

19:04 prompted; just look at exclusion zone around chernobil

19:05 prompted; thats the tech i use on my aimbot

19:05 TR News; Copying ICBM with the "dinobabies" strategy https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/fujitsu_profit_warning/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/IBM#Ageism

19:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/fujitsu_profit_warning/

19:06 prompted; only shoot the people in the red box i tell it

19:06 TR News; Gulag is greenwashing while burning the planet, just like other corporations of its kind https://www.edie.net/news/6/Google-forges-ahead-with-plans-for-hourly-renewable-electricity-tracking/

19:07 TR News; Forbes is greenwashing the world's WORST polluters https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmoorhead/2022/03/16/momentum-for-amazons-climate-pledge-continues-to-snowball/ the business of lying, there's money in deceit and propaganda, not in honest reporting

19:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmoorhead/2022/03/16/momentum-for-amazons-climate-pledge-continues-to-snowball/

19:07 prompted; time to reboot into the new kernel

19:08 prompted; wish me luck

19:08 schestowitz-TR; ok

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19:09 TR News; ZDNet has sunk to new lows. Now its advertising NFTs or scams. Boycott ZDNet. It's a Webspam site and corporation propaganda, it's not a new site. http://techrights.org/wiki/ZDNet

19:10 TR News; Analytics India Magazine continues to promote the dangerous delusion that everything not controlled by proprietary software of Microsoft does not exist, does not count, should not matter https://analyticsindiamag.com/best-github-learning-repositories-for-developers/

19:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: analyticsindiamag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://analyticsindiamag.com/best-github-learning-repositories-for-developers/

19:12 TR News; "Windows means awkward UI" and also means malware, expensive, bad battery life etc. https://www.theverge.com/22972334/aya-neo-next-review-vs-steam-deck-windows

19:13 TR News; Amazon is an espionage entity; running these puff pieces for Bezos is harming the country https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/amazon_dc_investment/

19:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/amazon_dc_investment/

19:14 TR News; Windows is technically worse than GNU/Linux, but Microsoft makes up for it by bribing everyone and resorting to other forms of corruption https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/08/amd_stutter/ see http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/

19:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/08/amd_stutter/

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19:16 TR News; Stop calling everything "Hey Hi"; some companies do so only to get patents on algorithms (it's a loophole by buzzwords) https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/ai_weapons_learning/

19:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/ai_weapons_learning/

19:17 TR News; Jack Wallen does proprietary software and even Microsoft? Disappointing. https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-cost-effective-tools-for-data-visualization/

19:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-cost-effective-tools-for-data-visualization/

19:17 TR News; Gmail is not E-mail but an ATTACK on E-mail and also an assault on privacy. If you want better experience, start using REAL E-mail. https://gizmodo.com/5-ways-shortwave-supercharges-your-gmail-1848593074

19:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gizmodo.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gizmodo.com/5-ways-shortwave-supercharges-your-gmail-1848593074

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19:18 prompted; it works

19:18 SomeH4x0r; hello

19:18 schestowitz-TR; 0/

19:18 TR News; 10 surprisingly practical Raspberry Pi projects anybody can do - PC World Australia https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/696174/10-surprisingly-practical-raspberry-pi-projects-anybody-can-do/?utm_medium=rss&utm_source=authorfeed

19:19 SomeH4x0r; remove the fucking tracking shit

19:19 SomeH4x0r; https://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/696174/10-surprisingly-practical-raspberry-pi-projects-anybody-can-do/

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19:19 TR News; 'We took it to the real worldand it worked': Rapid Zika testing platform clears hurdle with Brazil trial https://www.utoronto.ca/news/we-took-it-real-world-and-it-worked-rapid-zika-testing-platform-clears-hurdle-brazil-trial

19:19 immibis; why would you not inject the wrong data SomeH4x0r ?

19:20 SomeH4x0r; it is bloating the link regardless

19:20 SomeH4x0r; inserting wrong data is a good idea too, perhaps for some browser extensions like AdNauseam

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19:21 TR News; This is primarily a Microsoft issue; ransomware affects Windows over 90% or over 95% of the time, depending on which companies surveys that https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/ciso_security_storm/

19:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/ciso_security_storm/

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19:22 TR News; Oppression is going digital, and not just in China https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/china_declares_new_era_of/

19:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/china_declares_new_era_of/

19:23 schestowitz-TR; [19:19] <SomeH4x0r> remove the fucking tracking shit

19:23 schestowitz-TR; i did actually

19:24 schestowitz-TR; in Techrights daily links

19:24 schestowitz-TR; but I forgot to do it in the link here

19:24 schestowitz-TR; I almost always remember, so you don't see these

19:24 schestowitz-TR; I realised my mitake right afterwards

19:24 schestowitz-TR; but cannot edit IRC

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19:24 schestowitz-TR; in this case, the tracker is very primitive

19:24 immibis; did you know oppression is when you have only one identity card instead of 50?

19:25 schestowitz-TR; it just says the click came from the feed

19:25 schestowitz-TR; even if you toggle of JS

19:25 schestowitz-TR; tthey still spy on lots of stuff with CSS and images

19:25 bnchs; schestowitz-TR now heres the problem

19:25 bnchs; whenever a user enters a page of techrights blog

19:25 bnchs; theres a iframe of kiwi irc

19:25 schestowitz-TR; immibis: you should not need identity cards much

19:26 schestowitz-TR; a lot of stuff should not require a person to identify

19:26 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: you, I think you told me

19:26 schestowitz-TR; and they use clownflare, you said...

19:26 bnchs; wait what?

19:26 bnchs; well yes

19:27 TR News; "It's not clear exactly right now how the malware gets onto a device" ... it's your job to FIND out. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/cyclops_asus_routers/

19:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/cyclops_asus_routers/

19:28 TR News; Humans are making them extinct, along with all life on the planet... https://thetyee.ca/News/2022/03/16/Orcas-Scars-Tell-Story/

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19:29 TR News; Proprietary software has nothing to do with "openness" https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/openness_of_oracle_licensing/

19:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/openness_of_oracle_licensing/

19:30 bnchs; its either free

19:30 bnchs; or non free

19:31 TR News; "Today's day must be noted. I experienced enlightenment in Emacs. I have been aware of everything. I had been trying Emacs several times, and had been installing it many times more. But today's attempt was groundbreaking. Everything seems to be clear, of course I know only a little." gemini://szczezuja.space/gemlog/2022-03-19-Enlightenment-in-emacs.gmi

19:34 TR News; Photonics takes money from enabler of child sex trafficking. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/05/luminous-ai-supercomputer-photonics/ "range of investors that includes Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates." http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/

19:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/05/luminous-ai-supercomputer-photonics/

19:35 TR News; Conflating DoS with something else https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/openssl_bug_dos/

19:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/openssl_bug_dos/

19:35 TR News; So-called 'engagement', quantity, not quality https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/03/18/game-length-open-world/

19:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2022/03/18/game-length-open-world/

19:36 TR News; Developing design tools for outer space structures - Purdue University News https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2022/Q1/developing-design-tools-for-outer-space-structures.html

19:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: purdue.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2022/Q1/developing-design-tools-for-outer-space-structures.html

19:37 TR News; No, this is a gross violation of patient confidentiality. These devices are unfit for purpose, they're not secure and cannot be secured https://medcitynews.com/2022/03/enhancing-patient-care-with-mobile-clinical-communication-technologies/

19:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medcitynews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medcitynews.com/2022/03/enhancing-patient-care-with-mobile-clinical-communication-technologies/

19:38 DaemonFC; <prompted> i agree that eating a burger with a mask is a very difficult task

19:38 DaemonFC; You didn't have to wear one when you were at your table eating.

19:38 DaemonFC; You just had to put one on when you were up from the table.

19:40 TR News; Simon Sharwood giving a platform for hypocrites from Microsoft (come on, calling the kettle black?) https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/07/oracle_cloud_migration_microsoft_advice/ see http://techrights.org/2021/02/28/the-register-microsoft-pr/

19:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/07/oracle_cloud_migration_microsoft_advice/

19:40 TR News; If "Crypto" [sic] is really worth something, why are people referring to is value in USD? https://www.pymnts.com/cryptocurrency/2022/defi-achilles-heel-on-display-vote-could-take-100m-in-crypto-from-an-investor/

19:41 TR News; Two companies that fool a bunch of insecure people into paying like 3 times more than they're supposed to for a very lousy product https://www.pymnts.com/partnerships/2022/porsche-apple-talking-about-potential-partnerships/

19:42 TR News; OpenSSF is not about security https://adtmag.com/blogs/watersworks/2022/03/openssf-membership-grows.aspx see http://techrights.org/2020/10/30/openssf-microsoft/

19:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: adtmag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://adtmag.com/blogs/watersworks/2022/03/openssf-membership-grows.aspx

19:44 TR News; The Russian exile who found a way past Putin's internet firewall | TechRadar https://www.techradar.com/news/the-russian-exile-who-found-a-way-past-putins-internet-firewall "Aleksandr Litreev wants to preserve access to the free and open internet for people living under authoritarian rule."

19:45 TR News; This browser-in-the-browser attack is perfect for phishing - #ElReg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/browser_in_browser_phishing/

19:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/browser_in_browser_phishing/

19:46 schestowitz; DaemonFC: DaemonFC: cnn https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/cnn-underscored/best-mattress-in-a-box/index.html

19:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/cnn-underscored/best-mattress-in-a-box/index.html

19:46 TR News; ICBM? Known for financial engineering, i.e. cheating. Many CFOs do just that and cover up. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/totango-hires-ibm-salesforce-and-mastercard-alum-dennis-reardon-as-chief-revenue-officer-301502939.html

19:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: prnewswire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/totango-hires-ibm-salesforce-and-mastercard-alum-dennis-reardon-as-chief-revenue-officer-301502939.html

19:47 schestowitz; webspam https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterprisedesktop/tip/Understanding-the-features-of-Windows-11-Enterprise

19:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techtarget.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterprisedesktop/tip/Understanding-the-features-of-Windows-11-Enterprise

19:47 DaemonFC; schestowitz, I'm doing fine with my $230 king size mattress.

19:47 DaemonFC; There's not much difference between them.

19:47 schestowitz-TR; cnn 'news'

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19:48 DaemonFC; Bed in a box from Walmart is about the same quality of "pushy sales guy talking MARISOL into paying $3,000".

19:48 DaemonFC; Capitalism.

19:48 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22031247

19:50 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Then T-Mobile has to call these crappy Nokia Home Internet modems "space gray".

19:50 TR News; They're not banks, they're schemes, and super dodgy, too (like lending predators) https://www.business-standard.com/podcast/finance/why-top-lenders-are-laying-the-groundwork-for-digital-only-banks-122031500059_1.html

19:51 bnchs; DaemonFC: king size mattress?

19:51 bnchs; i sleep in a 30 year old mattress

19:51 TR News; What is the hungry family does NOT have a so-called 'smart' so-called 'phone'? https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/where-a-free-meal-for-food-insecure-families-is-just-a-text-away

19:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nextcity.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nextcity.org/urbanist-news/where-a-free-meal-for-food-insecure-families-is-just-a-text-away

19:51 DaemonFC; Reminds me of the episode of Red Dwarf where Rimmer figures out Holly can run another hologram if they power off some things, and so he makes another copy of himself, and they go to war over painting the hallway military gray vs. ocean gray.

19:51 DaemonFC; And you can't tell the difference.

19:52 TR News; LOL. Smells like a scam, quacks like a scam, too. "taking nonfungible tokens (NFTs) and Web3 into account" (wait, waaa?) https://cointelegraph.com/news/what-is-solana-sol-pay-and-how-does-it-work

19:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cointelegraph.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://cointelegraph.com/news/what-is-solana-sol-pay-and-how-does-it-work

19:53 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, CNN Underscored is basically spam for Amazon.

19:54 DaemonFC; Bezos bought himself another failing news network.

19:54 TR News; BMW greenwahsing https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0374213EN/transformation-and-responsibility:-bmw-group-steps-up-technological-change-for-sustainable-future give me a break... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

19:54 DaemonFC; Officially soon.

19:54 DaemonFC; They have more pedos and rapists at CNN than at Microsoft, amazingly.

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19:54 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77

19:55 TR News; "sustainable" is vacant, meaningless junk https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/transformation-and-responsibility-bmw-group-steps-up-technological-change-for-sustainable-future/ see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

19:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: automotiveworld.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/transformation-and-responsibility-bmw-group-steps-up-technological-change-for-sustainable-future/

19:55 TR Bot; Transformation and responsibility: BMW Group steps up technological change for sustainable future | Automotive World

19:55 TR Bot; Volkswagen emissions scandal - Wikipedia

19:55 TR News; WordPress.com vs. WordPress.org: Whats the Difference? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162744

19:55 TR Bot; WordPress.com vs. WordPress.org: What's the Difference? | Tux Machines

19:55 DaemonFC; Between the sex scandals and Chris Cuomo advising Andrew on how to cover up the nursing home death scandal and the grope scandals in New York....

19:55 DaemonFC; Can you believe these fucking people?

19:55 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: I saw an article today

19:56 schestowitz-TR; Cuomo

19:56 DaemonFC; Now Andrew Cuomo is thinking about running for governor again after he had to resign to get out ahead of impeachment.

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19:56 schestowitz-TR; there's still a change bill of bill & lolita will be under probe

19:56 schestowitz-TR; maybe already is

19:57 TR News; Looks like this post of ours stopped him posting completely? http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/jason-evangelho-influencer/

19:57 TR Bot; It Smells Like Marketing Not Journalism When Almost 100% of the Articles From Jason Evangelho, Senior Contributor at Forbes, Are About the Same Topic | Techrights

19:57 DaemonFC; My grandmother was a virtual shut-in for years between retiring and going to the nursing home.

19:57 DaemonFC; My grandfather died in 1998 and she didn't go to the home until like 2018 iirc.

19:57 TR News; They

19:57 DaemonFC; So she had 20 years in that house, alone, to go mad. Broken up by church on Sunday.

19:57 TR News; Forbes = pure junk, spam, webspam/marketing. They used to do actual journalism until about a decade ago. https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephendiorio/2022/03/15/the-revenue-operating-system/

19:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephendiorio/2022/03/15/the-revenue-operating-system/

19:57 TR Bot; The Revenue Operating System

19:58 DaemonFC; So it was her in there with the cable news channels and Pat Robertson.

19:59 TR News; "A Register reader has raised concerns over UK ISP Virgin Media's password policies after discovering he couldn't set a password longer than 10 characters or one that includes non-alphanumeric characters." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/10/virgin_media_email_password_security/

19:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/10/virgin_media_email_password_security/

19:59 TR Bot; Reg reader blasts Virgin Media's email password policy The Register

19:59 schestowitz; https://ultimateclassicrock.com/u2-netflix-show/

19:59 TR Bot; Scripted U2 Series Reportedly in Development at Netflix

8 PM, March 19

20:00 DaemonFC; Finally, she started slipping bad. Leaving the stove on for hours, etc. Nobody checking up on her really.

20:00 DaemonFC; Then she wrecked the Cadillac into someone else's car. Thankfully, nobody was hurt.

20:01 TR News; Musk is not a tech person. He's a lying corrupt military contractor https://news.clearancejobs.com/2022/03/17/starlink-highlights-need-for-u-s-space-agility-strategy-against-russian-anti-satellite-weapons/

20:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: clearancejobs.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.clearancejobs.com/2022/03/17/starlink-highlights-need-for-u-s-space-agility-strategy-against-russian-anti-satellite-weapons/

20:01 TR Bot; Starlink Highlights Need for U.S. Space Agility Strategy Against Russian Anti-Satellite Weapons

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20:02 TR News; Pushers of proprietary software https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/itam_forum_asset_management/

20:02 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/09/itam_forum_asset_management/

20:02 TR Bot; ITAM Forum launches standard for IT asset management The Register

20:02 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Starlink does more spying than any other US ISP.

20:03 DaemonFC; They not only have Deep Packet Inspection, but they have hashes that they look for of copyrighted material, so if you download any that's on the list, they threaten to cut off your Internet access whether a copyright holder complains or not.

20:04 immibis; how does that work with HTTPS?

20:04 TR News; As it stands at the moment, a lot of very sensitive data is being passed through nototrous espionage entities. Standards alone won't fix that. https://hbr.org/2022/03/standardized-apis-could-finally-make-it-easy-to-exchange-health-records

20:04 TR Bot; Standardized APIs Could Finally Make It Easy to Exchange Health Records

20:04 DaemonFC; I doubt it does, but people using BitTorrent get threats directly from Starlink.

20:05 immibis; that's probably how it gets funded

20:05 immibis; space launches are expensive

20:05 DaemonFC; There's nothing about the DMCA being involved. Those letters usually take weeks or months.

20:05 DaemonFC; If you download copyrighted material on BitTorrent on Starlink, they threaten you in a matter of a day or two usually.

20:05 TR News; Interview or webspam? The site innovationorigins has already become notorious for relaying EPO propaganda and whitewashing crimes as "science" https://innovationorigins.com/en/simbeyond-advances-with-first-ever-nano-level-simulation-technology/

20:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: innovationorigins.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://innovationorigins.com/en/simbeyond-advances-with-first-ever-nano-level-simulation-technology/

20:05 TR Bot; Simbeyond advances with first-ever nano-level simulation technology - Innovation Origins

20:06 AdmFubar; https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-a-unique-identifier/

20:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-a-unique-identifier/

20:06 TR Bot; Each Firefox download has a unique identifier - gHacks Tech News

20:06 TR News; Tax evasion loopholes advertised by Forbes, the rag run to hail and whitewash the world's biggest thieves https://www.forbes.com/advisor/taxes/states-with-no-income-tax/

20:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: forbes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.forbes.com/advisor/taxes/states-with-no-income-tax/

20:06 TR Bot; You Move To A State With No Income Tax? Forbes Advisor

20:08 TR News; ISO is incredibly corrupt, but some people take pride in it, still https://opengovasia.com/quang-ninh-vietnam-applies-electronic-iso-standard-governance-system/ see http://techrights.org/wiki/ISO

20:08 TR Bot; Quang Ninh, Vietnam Applies Electronic ISO-Standard Governance System OpenGov Asia

20:08 TR Bot; ISO - Techrights

20:08 TR News; HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI HEY HI https://opengovasia.com/public-schools-in-telangana-india-to-deploy-ai/

20:08 TR Bot; Public Schools in Telangana, India to Deploy AI OpenGov Asia

20:08 DaemonFC; schestowitz, States without an income tax get your money some other way instead.

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20:09 TR News; Need a replacement? Try these 5 Docker alternatives <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://www.techtarget.com/searchitoperations/opinion/Need-a-replacement-Try-these-5-Docker-alternatives"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>

20:09 TR Bot; Need a replacement? Try these 5 Docker alternatives

20:10 TR News; You know it's a ascam when: NFT... Metaverse... NFTs https://cryptobriefing.com/nft-project-spotlight-anata-the-metaverses-anime-vtuber-nfts/

20:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cryptobriefing.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://cryptobriefing.com/nft-project-spotlight-anata-the-metaverses-anime-vtuber-nfts/

20:10 TR Bot; NFT Project Spotlight: Anata, the Metaverse's Anime VTuber NFTs - Crypto Briefing

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20:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 47.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.22

20:10 DaemonFC; Indiana taxes more than it plans to spend, deliberately.

20:10 DaemonFC; The rebate checks are very popular.

20:10 DaemonFC; And they can arrange for it to happen every year.

20:11 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.21 k/sec., IPFS upstream 47.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.22

20:11 TR News; Hype is back in business. "America's National Science Foundation has signaled yet again how important it thinks quantum computing is with a six-figure grant to Penn State." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/quantum_us_grant/

20:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/18/quantum_us_grant/

20:11 TR Bot; Quantum computing cybersecurity research gets $715k grant The Register

20:12 TR News; HEY HI beauty. Hey hi! Hey you! You beauty!! Buzzwords out of control. https://www.voguebusiness.com/beauty/the-ai-beauty-startup-that-champions-transparency-and-inclusion

20:12 TR Bot; The AI beauty startup that champions transparency and inclusion | Vogue Business

20:14 TR News; There's more money in misleading people than in educating them properly https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-money-pit

20:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: chronicle.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.chronicle.com/article/the-money-pit

20:14 TR Bot; The College That Drowned Itself in Red Ink

20:14 DaemonFC; Indiana has been phasing out the income tax.

20:14 DaemonFC; It's gone down by about 40% since I left, but other taxes were raised to compensate.

20:14 DaemonFC; Sometimes they don't call it taxes.

20:15 schestowitz-TR; the country is in debt

20:15 schestowitz-TR; also states

20:15 schestowitz-TR; huge debt

20:15 DaemonFC; The local government fund took a huge hit and then your water and sewage and trash bills double.

20:15 schestowitz-TR; "big league"

20:15 immibis; apparently people move to Texas because they love that it doesn't have income tax, then they buy big houses and are shocked by the high property tax

20:15 DaemonFC; But it's not a tax!

20:15 DaemonFC; Yes, Texas, Iowa, and New Jersey property taxes are even crazier than Illinois.

20:16 DaemonFC; Illinois, you pay about 10 times higher property tax than Indiana.

20:16 DaemonFC; About 500% higher because of the tax rate and the rest is because they overvalue the shit out of anything that's even remotely in orbit around Chicago.

20:17 DaemonFC; People who flee Illinois and buy a house in Indiana generally find out two things.

20:17 DaemonFC; They can get a nicer house for about 8x less money.

20:17 DaemonFC; And.....their property taxes go down from about $4,800 on the house, to about $500, for the year.

20:18 DaemonFC; It is so much cheaper to live in Indiana.

20:18 DaemonFC; The Democrat philosophy is to make everyone fucking poor by taxing the shit out of them.

20:19 DaemonFC; Then once they are poor, make them come crawling to the bureaucrats at the welfare office, in disgrace, to beg for SOME of it back, as welfare programs, with conditions of use.

20:20 DaemonFC; They know how your money should be spent.

20:20 DaemonFC; And with the permission of "Ms. Strong", you can buy some food that month.

20:20 DaemonFC; I'm serious. They have one named "Ms. Strong".

20:21 DaemonFC; I went in there and the caseworker for Medicaid is in her pajamas wearing a Naruto T-shirt that looked like she's had it since around 1995.

20:21 DaemonFC; They were voting on whether their union would strike or not.

20:21 DaemonFC; And they had political campaign signs up in their offices.

20:22 DaemonFC; When the person at the counter with a gun told me my caseworker would be Ms. Strong, I asked if that was "As in Susan Strong from Adventure Time, or as in Strong Bad from the Flash cartoons on the Internet.".

20:24 immibis; DaemonFC: since democrat areas are so terrible and expensive, why do people choose to live there?

20:25 immibis; why do you live there?

20:26 DaemonFC; Because it's funny in its own way.

20:26 DaemonFC; Where else do you get to hear that Ms. Strong will see you soon?

20:27 DaemonFC; Then in your head go.... "STRONG ANGRY! STRONG SMASH!!!! STRONG SMAAAAAAAAAASH!".

20:27 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^

20:27 MinceR; 19 211853 < DaemonFC> The Democrat philosophy is to make everyone fucking poor by taxing the shit out of them.

20:27 MinceR; not true

20:28 MinceR; they don't do that to the kleptocrats

20:28 DaemonFC; Well, that's inside baseball, MinceR

20:28 MinceR; the "democrats" and the "republicans" mostly do the same shit

20:28 DaemonFC; They pay the same rates we do, but since they get paid with our money, they make several times what a comparable private sector worker would for that type of work.

20:29 DaemonFC; <MinceR> the "democrats" and the "republicans" mostly do the same shit

20:29 DaemonFC; Not true.

20:29 DaemonFC; The Democrats take over and blame white people for all of the social rot that the party has caused.

20:29 DaemonFC; And then raise taxes and buy votes and raise a patronage army.

20:29 MinceR; and yet people like jeff bezos and steve ballmer and tim crook do fine under them, somehow

20:30 DaemonFC; The Republicans cut taxes, but they're so egregiously fucking stupid and evil that you don't want them either.

20:30 DaemonFC; <MinceR> and yet people like jeff bezos and steve ballmer and tim crook do fine under them, somehow

20:30 DaemonFC; They live in those high tax states because when you've got a megayacht you can afford higher taxes in that state.

20:30 DaemonFC; The taxes help keep the poor people from even thinking about moving in next door.

20:31 MinceR; when you've got a megayacht, you can "optimize" your taxes

20:31 DaemonFC; Which is why mjg59_ really lives in SF.

20:31 DaemonFC; Except it doesn't quite work.

20:31 DaemonFC; They set up tent cities and shit in the open streets anyway.

20:32 TR News; Links 19/3/2022: Raspberry Pi Project Ideas | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/19/raspberry-pi-project-ideas/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/19/raspberry-pi-project-ideas/

20:32 TR Bot; Links 19/3/2022: Raspberry Pi Project Ideas | Techrights

20:32 DaemonFC; When he says people in SF "get it", I never quite know what he means. "I love spraying human shit off my shoes!" said nobody ever.

20:32 TR News; Linux Foundation: OpenSSF, FUD, and Dent OS 2.0 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162745

20:32 TR Bot; Linux Foundation: OpenSSF, FUD, and Dent OS 2.0 | Tux Machines

20:32 TR News; Openwashing of Wolf in Sheep Clothing Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162746

20:32 TR Bot; Openwashing of Wolf in Sheep Clothing | Tux Machines

20:32 TR News; Security Issues and Proprietary Blunders Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162747

20:32 TR Bot; Security Issues and Proprietary Blunders | Tux Machines

20:32 TR News; Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi and RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162748

20:32 TR Bot; Open Hardware/Modding: Raspberry Pi and RISC-V | Tux Machines

20:32 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162749

20:32 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

20:33 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162750

20:33 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

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20:36 DaemonFC; The packaged goods industry is obviously in deep shit. I was reading an article the other day about how much they wish they could just get rid of coupons, but their sales shrink by 25% when they do.

20:36 immibis; DaemonFC: you live in a terrible third-world city because it's funny?

20:36 MinceR; it's first world by definition

20:36 DaemonFC; Apparently, back in the 90s, P&G and some other companies tried a trial run of getting rid of coupons, in New York.

20:37 DaemonFC; They got an antitrust investigation when people complained that the coupons went away but people in other states were still getting them.

20:37 immibis; MinceR: democrats are the worst of everything by definition and cannot be good in any way whatsoever

20:37 MinceR; i know worse

20:37 DaemonFC; Clinton, Cuomo, CNN

20:37 MinceR; like those who support autocracy

20:38 MinceR; my favorite recent quote on that: "Yarvin supports authoritarianism on right-libertarian grounds"

20:38 immibis; MinceR: "I'd rather be a Russian than a Democrat"

20:39 MinceR; yeah, "republicans" are even worse than "democrats"

20:39 MinceR; but there are a lot of similarities

20:39 immibis; rightists have basically no principles except for opposing whatever leftists want

20:39 immibis; they don't even want the things they claim to want, like small government

20:39 MinceR; especially before former president Cheeto Hitler cast his influence on the party

20:42 DaemonFC; Cuomo not only covered up the COVID deaths in New York nursing homes because he didn't want Trump to get it, but put more elderly people in the ones he knew were having the worst problem with it.

20:42 AdmFubar; https://www.pogowasright.org/smart-devices-spy-on-you-2-computer-scientists-explain-how-the-internet-of-things-can-violate-your-privacy/

20:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pogowasright.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pogowasright.org/smart-devices-spy-on-you-2-computer-scientists-explain-how-the-internet-of-things-can-violate-your-privacy/

20:42 TR Bot; Smart Devices Spy on You2 Computer Scientists Explain how the Internet of Things can Violate Your Privacy

20:43 AdmFubar; https://www.pogowasright.org/dhs-collected-americans-financial-records-in-bulk-sen-wyden/

20:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pogowasright.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pogowasright.org/dhs-collected-americans-financial-records-in-bulk-sen-wyden/

20:43 TR Bot; DHS Collected Americans Financial Records In Bulk: Sen. Wyden

20:44 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Msw-uK7WJoY

20:44 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Msw-uK7WJoY

20:44 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Beautiful cat started meowing very loudly as soon as he saw me - Invidious

20:46 AdmFubar; https://www.propublica.org/article/lights-out-profitable-utility-company-shut-off-electricity-to-homes-hundreds-of-thousands-of-times#1279603

20:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/lights-out-profitable-utility-company-shut-off-electricity-to-homes-hundreds-of-thousands-of-times#1279603

20:46 TR Bot; Lights Out: Profitable Utility Company Shut Off Electricity to Homes Hundreds of Thousands of Times ProPublica

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21:09 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/tgsqlo/the_of_torproject_bridge_users_in_russia_spiked/

21:09 TR Bot; The # of @torproject bridge users in Russia spiked (following a censorship attempt from Dec-present) [OC] : dataisbeautiful

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21:20 bnchs; starlink should be destroyed

21:20 bnchs; i'm sick of light pollution

21:22 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/2203115

21:22 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/8wamhfiogcm81.jpg created on 2022-03-11 01:44:01.600214

21:22 bnchs; MinceR: dumbasses

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21:23 XRevan86; MinceR: They took offence to the word "sapiens".

21:23 MinceR; :>

21:23 bnchs; if (strcmp(word, "homo") == 0) return FREE_CHILD;

21:23 MinceR; no Homo

21:24 bnchs; they hear the word homo

21:24 bnchs; they will dump their kid

21:26 bnchs; https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/31343/did-a-survey-of-conservative-christians-show-85-would-disown-their-child-if-the

21:26 TR Bot; religion - Did a survey of conservative Christians show 85% would disown their child if they turned out to be homo sapiens? - Skeptics Stack Exchange

21:27 bnchs; it was a joke, but would have been funnier if it was real

21:32 psydruid; homo minimus sapiens

21:33 bnchs; gay trees

21:34 activelow; https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Capuchin_monkeys_sharing.jpg

21:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: wikimedia.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f8/Capuchin_monkeys_sharing.jpg

21:36 bnchs; now how do you put a GPU in a system that has a different architecture

21:36 bnchs; other than x86

21:36 bnchs; i guess you could compile the drivers and it would work

21:37 bnchs; but hardware differences?

21:48 psydruid; usually the firmware on the graphics card needs to be adapted

21:49 psydruid; there are some Nvidia and AMD GPUs that work on non-x86 architectures

21:49 psydruid; but usually they have GPUs provided on-die

21:49 AdmFubar; bigger hammer technologies

21:55 mjg59_; If the other architecture has PCIe then you just plug it in

21:56 mjg59_; The system firmware probably won't know how to initialise the card, but Linux will work just fine

21:57 DaemonFC; I didn't say Chicago was a third world country, but it's definitely closer to one than rural America.

21:57 DaemonFC; When you get out far past the high taxes and welfare programs, then you end up with somewhere clean and safe to live in, where a dollar goes twice as far.

21:58 DaemonFC; The reason why Walmart pays $18 in Illinois per hour and $12 per hour in Indiana is because you'll still live worse in Illinois despite making the extra $6 an hour.

21:59 DaemonFC; The cheap apartment in the ghetto is $900 a month plus electric.

21:59 DaemonFC; In Indiana, you can usually find a nice apartment that's bigger and electric included for about $475-$500 a month.

21:59 activelow; the Gigatron TTL got native graphics init, for VGA... nice.

10 PM, March 19

22:00 DaemonFC; Then you get to taxes. Illinois has the worst tax burden in the country, and the 10th most regressive state tax system.

22:00 activelow; for untapped serial-line terminal with PS/2 and VGA

22:00 DaemonFC; I believe for regressiveness, Indiana's was 27th last time I checked, so it's not only going to tax you less, but the relative burden falls less on low earners than Democrat-supermajority Illinois.

22:00 DaemonFC; Imagine that.

22:01 activelow; and the gigatron, imagine this, is opensource, both hardware and software, down to the circuitry (including the TTL logic chips which should be documented with Verilog)

22:01 DaemonFC; Illinois has a Medicaid crisis. They took the Obamacare Medicaid money and expanded a disastrous program, and now much of the state is a medical desert for Medicaid clients.

22:01 immibis; DaemonFC: why do you live there?

22:01 DaemonFC; Entire ZIP codes in Chicago now have nowhere to go except the hospital if you have Medicaid.

22:02 DaemonFC; Indiana worked with health insurance companies to gain access to their networks of doctors. They even found room in the budget to throw in dental and vision, which Illinois doesn't have.

22:02 DaemonFC; <immibis> DaemonFC: why do you live there?

22:02 immibis; bnchs: yeah PCIe is abstracted enough that the card shouldn't know it's not talking to x86

22:02 immibis; it's a generic bus

22:03 DaemonFC; I followed Shithead here and just never left.

22:03 immibis; you can even talk PCIe from FPGAs

22:03 *bnchs has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)

22:03 activelow; although, i don't know if any software exists yet, to bit-bang serial-line into the Gigatron, and provide a console with VGA and PS/2

22:03 immibis; DaemonFC: so you voluntarily live in a shit city?

22:03 DaemonFC; As soon as we're done with Immigration for a while I probably will leave and move to a state with freedom.

22:03 DaemonFC; Or some semblance of it.

22:04 DaemonFC; <immibis> DaemonFC: so you voluntarily live in a shit city?

22:04 DaemonFC; Not for much longer.

22:04 DaemonFC; Next place we live has some MUSTs and some SHOULDs.

22:04 prompted; DaemonFC is moving to ukrainia

22:05 DaemonFC; MUSTs: Open Carry. Low taxes. Low rents. Few troublemakers.

22:05 immibis; DaemonFC: The people of Chicago will be glad to see you gone

22:05 DaemonFC; They won't notice.

22:05 immibis; instead of trying to force your narrative on them using violence

22:05 DaemonFC; With the bullets flying everywhere and Willie Wilson causing traffic jams giving them a little free gas t obreak up $6 a gallon...

22:06 DaemonFC; They'll never notice whether I stay or leave.

22:06 prompted; ukrainia only fails on the Few troublemakers requirement

22:06 immibis; activelow would also like it since he complains about ukraine stealing all the gas money. He could be the thief instead of the thieved

22:06 DaemonFC; The US State Department said something that would encourage me to go to Ukraine and fight if I wasn't married.

22:07 DaemonFC; They don't track why you're there or what you're doing.

22:07 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/are-you-sure-you-want-to-exist.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/nietzsches-pc/ )

22:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: engrish.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/are-you-sure-you-want-to-exist.jpg

22:07 TR Bot; Nietzsches PC

22:07 DaemonFC; Time to kill some Russians.

22:07 DaemonFC; I already have the solution to the Russia problem.

22:08 DaemonFC; Drop the black people in on them.

22:08 DaemonFC; Putin says we've treated them badly.

22:08 activelow; immibis: i never said nor implied it was Ukraine at fault

22:08 DaemonFC; He obviously knows how to do better.

22:08 MinceR; https://i.imgur.com/uw26rek.png

22:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: imgur.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://i.imgur.com/uw26rek.png

22:08 DaemonFC; Anyway, when they start raping, looting, mugging, and killing, the police won't have any resources to detain war protesters with.

22:08 DaemonFC; So either way is a win.

22:08 activelow; immibis: even including the surplus for Ukraine, this doesn't explain the excess energy price explosion in germany

22:09 immibis; activelow: you complain about russia selling gas for $50/unit and ukraine reselling it for $250/unit. I think you were pretty explicit about that

22:09 immibis; <immibis> activelow: what are re-seller margins?

22:09 immibis; <activelow> example? Ukraine bought gas from russia for $50, and sold for $250; the margin is $200

22:10 activelow; immibis: yes, based on the assumption, Russia sold 20Euro/MWh, plus the ukraine surplus, that's nowhere near the ~30cents/KWh for electricity in Germany

22:10 DaemonFC; Using them as a biological weapon isn't a new idea, I confess.

22:10 DaemonFC; That's what the Xenomorphs were in Alien.

22:11 DaemonFC; Supposedly, you could just drop them in on your enemy and wait for them to just kill everything.

22:11 immibis; activelow: so you really were complaining about the free market after all

22:11 DaemonFC; In South Africa, they've locked white people out of all the government jobs and stolen the farm land.

22:11 DaemonFC; One of their high ranking government officials arranged to give some to herself.

22:12 DaemonFC; Then there were hundreds and hundreds of dead farm animals because she's "still learning".

22:12 DaemonFC; The pigs eating the dead pigs was a nice touch.

22:12 activelow; immibis: it's not market economy, it's a cleptocratic apparatus of war criminals hiding somewhere - outside Ukraine/Russia

22:12 DaemonFC; Silence of the Pigs.

22:12 immibis; DaemonFC: yet you never complain about in USA where they've locked black people out of all the government jobs and stolen the farm land.

22:13 DaemonFC; Black people are not locked out of government jobs here.

22:13 DaemonFC; Every time they do something wrong at the DMV and make you wait in line again to correct their mistake, you find that out.

22:14 activelow; i have another suspicion, concerning the recent energy price explosion: soccer stadiums in germany re-opened, with billions dripping into from somewhere, to entertain the masses spreading covid

22:14 DaemonFC; There's actually a white woman that works at the DMV in this city and I know what days she's there.

22:14 DaemonFC; If I have to go to the DMV, I make sure to go on one of those days and stand in her line.

22:14 immibis; I have another suspicion: fossil fuels are expensive and it's our own damn fault for still using them. We should take financial responsibility and stop buying shit we can't afford.

22:14 DaemonFC; Because we've never been there more than 10 minutes when we get her.

22:15 DaemonFC; I always wondered how anyone can manage to fuck up renewing a license plate sticker.

22:15 DaemonFC; It is literally scan bar code hit a few buttons to mark it paid for this year, and PRINT.

22:16 DaemonFC; You'd think that doing it all day every day they'd eventually be unable to fuck it up.

22:17 immibis; well we live in a system where if you are too efficient you get punished

22:17 DaemonFC; Yeah, I noticed that at one job I had.

22:17 DaemonFC; I made 186% of my rate for one job code, like 142% for another.

22:18 DaemonFC; Before I knew it, I got promoted, and then I had the boss doing nothing except watching me.

22:18 activelow; "fossile" doesn't explain it, nor is it "energy price", Russia/Ukraine continued to supply with their pipelines unaltered, and demand was rather low due to covid lock-down

22:18 DaemonFC; Then he said he knew I was cheating and he just hadn't figured out how yet.

22:18 DaemonFC; I said, "Well, if you don't know how, you can't really substantiate the accusation, can you?".

22:18 immibis; activelow: do you know what speculation is? commodities trading?

22:19 activelow; yes, and speculation relies on economic facts and reality

22:19 DaemonFC; I wasn't cheating. The computer arranged the work inefficiently, so I rearranged it so the work would flow in the direction I was getting it in, instead.

22:19 DaemonFC; Which accounted for me getting the work out-of-order.

22:19 immibis; activelow: it literally doesn't - which is why it's called speculation

22:20 activelow; wrong, that's why it is speculation, not gambling and extortion

22:20 activelow; however, with speculation involved, Russia/Ukraine continued to supply with their pipelines, and consumption was low due to covid

22:20 immibis; speculation is based on things that speculators think might happen. For example, a decrease in the supply of gas from Russia.

22:20 immibis; The chance that the supply will increase is basically zero

22:20 DaemonFC; Like, if you scanned in parts in boxes labeled 001, 002, 003, 004, 005, and so on, and there were 100 boxes to work through in that screen, the computer would try to tell you what to do with them sequentially.

22:20 activelow; immibis: wrong again, northstream2

22:21 DaemonFC; The problem is that they weren't required to be ordered sequentially, leading you to have to find the box and go digging through it.

22:21 immibis; activelow: which is canceled

22:21 DaemonFC; By scanning them in so that I never had to dig, I could do less work, and do the same amount of work faster.

22:21 immibis; btw it's now called Mordstream 2 i.e. Murder Stream 2

22:22 MinceR; lol

22:22 immibis; I think schestowitz-TR would like that pun

22:22 *XRevan86 appreciated it.

22:22 immibis; ("Nord" = "north" in German; "Mord" = "murder" in German)

22:24 XRevan86; When activelow is talking about the stuff like Nordstream-2 I straight up don't understand his point.

22:24 XRevan86; It's also Mordstream-2 because it's flipping dead.

22:25 XRevan86; Also it was incredibly expensive and literally never economically viable.

22:25 XRevan86; In that it was a vanity project, which has managed to become a spectacular failure in practically every respect.

22:25 immibis; XRevan86: activelow seems to be a pro-fossil-fuel extremist for some reason

22:25 immibis; he insists renewable energy can never possibly work

22:26 immibis; not that there are solutions but we'll have to adapt somewhat, or invent new technology, or pay a bit more for energy. But that they simply can't work.

22:26 immibis; all renewable energy schemes are apparently just scams to extract your money

22:27 XRevan86; Even when that's taken as an assumption, that still wouldn't mean that Nordstream-2 is not just stupid.

22:27 activelow; XRevan86: 11billion for northstream2, which was a cooperative of Germany/Russia/Netherlands/Switzerland

22:27 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/th69xy/provided_without_comment/

22:27 TR Bot; Provided without comment. : LateStageCapitalism

22:27 DaemonFC; Canadians are fairly racist and don't want "the wrong immigrants".

22:27 DaemonFC; (brown/Muslim)

22:27 activelow; add to this, illegally re-routed gas supplies, in Poland/Ukraine

22:27 activelow; which was another few coins of undisclosed amount

22:28 XRevan86; Nordstream-2 was not going to make the gas cheaper, activelow.

22:28 XRevan86; It was just too expensive for that.

22:28 activelow; XRevan86: sure it couldn't. because Russia did supply gas reliably in compliance with contracts

22:29 activelow; the price explosion isn't explained by Ukraine/Russia

22:29 activelow; another problem is, Poland is member of EU, with free roaming, and close to the border gasoline prices are 50% lower in Poland, with them and Ukraine demanding transit fees

22:29 XRevan86; DaemonFC: It's also that Syria is somewhere out there in the Middle East, people just don't care about instability there.

22:30 DaemonFC; It's normal for there to be instability in the Middle East.

22:30 DaemonFC; They're incapable of having a democratic and high functioning society.

22:30 XRevan86; Now instability in Europe, now that makes people worried.

22:30 DaemonFC; If it wasn't for oil money turning a bunch of thugs rich, they'd be no better off than Africa.

22:31 XRevan86; "They're incapable of having a democratic and high functioning society." <- Um, I think that's my call to run away from this conversation.

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22:32 prompted; another one

22:32 immibis; activelow: and you say wind turbines are expensive!

22:32 mjg59_; XRevan86: Surely you can't be surprised at him interjecting random racism into a conversation

22:33 immibis; activelow: maybe you should buy your gas directly from nordstream

22:33 mjg59_; matey: re: your freedom 0 discussion earlier - would a license that said "You may not use this software to prevent other people from exercising their free software rights" violate freedom 0?

22:33 DaemonFC; The logical thing to do about the Russians is give Ukraine anything they need to kill ALL Russians who come across the border until no more Russians come across the border.

22:33 immibis; DaemonFC: why do you want to murder little children?

22:34 immibis; normally such a statement would be an exaggeration, but in this case you literally just said you want to murder little children

22:34 activelow; immibis: first and foremost i say wind turbines did not/do not deliver the amount of energy advertised; and i said wind turbines are as "fossile" as any other energy source, because 10tons of steel are required for a turbine, plus the heavy magnet, huge amounts of copper for the coil etc.

22:34 DaemonFC; Again, I can't wait until the Russian tank crews get a load of those Switchblade drones.

22:34 DaemonFC; That ought to be funny when they do. I hope someone gets it on video.

22:34 immibis; activelow: do you have to keep buying steel to burn in the turbine?

22:34 XRevan86; mjg59_: Indeed not.

22:35 activelow; immibis: 3000 wind turbines are required to replace a single nuclear plant (scheduled for final shutdown in germany 2022, this year)

22:35 XRevan86; mjg59_: And I I also see a lot of similiar statements about my country, so this particular kind of chauvinism is also something that can be turned around on me specifically in a millisecond.

22:35 immibis; activelow: how many tons of steel are in a nuclear plant?

22:35 DaemonFC; People who fuck everything up and then blame others for being failed people do not impress me.

22:35 immibis; DaemonFC: why do you want to murder little children?

22:35 activelow; don't know, to mock a little, i think a nuclear plant is required to produce all the steel required for the thousands of wind mills (which barely deliver, add to this)

22:36 DaemonFC; I mean, literally EVERY time one of them gets arrested, for ANYTHING.

22:36 DaemonFC; It's something something because white people.

22:36 DaemonFC; It doesn't have to make sense because there are people out there like Matt Gulag who eat it up and are mad that people like me call bullshit on it.

22:36 matey; mjg59_ matey: re: your freedom 0 discussion earlier - would a license that said "You may not use this software to prevent other people from exercising their free software rights" violate freedom 0?

22:36 matey; /me braces for sophistry

22:37 immibis; activelow: Google says 40 tons per megawatt, and 190 m^3 of concrete per megawatt. How many megawatts do your wind turbines make?

22:37 matey; would a license that said "You may not use this software to prevent other people from exercising their free software rights" violate freedom 0? <- no

22:37 matey; though some people think it does

22:37 prompted; if i get a arrested i blame DaemonFC

22:37 DaemonFC; How many landfills full of busted up wind turbines does it take before people realize that wind turbines are another scam?

22:37 immibis; activelow: If your wind turbine produces more than 0.25 megawatts - which it does - then it uses less steel than a nuclear reactor

22:38 matey; mjg59_ go ahead, take your shot

22:38 mjg59_; matey: Yeah, that's my feeling. Would that mean that using that software in a weapon that's used to kill someone would be a breach of the license?

22:38 DaemonFC; Nobody is recycling those. Nobody recycles the blades.

22:38 immibis; DaemonFC: How many landfills full of busted up gas turbines does it take before people realize that gas turbines are another scam?

22:38 activelow; immibis: in germany? the real market share of all renewables including the wind mills is close to below 1%; based upon solid data from IFO Munich.

22:38 DaemonFC; They just bury them forever when they're done with them.

22:38 matey; Would that mean that using that software in a weapon that's used to kill someone would be a breach of the license? <- aha, there it is

22:38 immibis; activelow: megawatts per 10-ton windmill. Go.

22:38 immibis; DaemonFC: How many landfills full of busted up takeout boxes does it take before people realize that takeout boxes are another scam?

22:38 matey; mjg59_ if we use that kind of logic, you realise that everything negates everything in the end

22:38 mjg59_; matey: I'm genuinely interested in whether reframing the goals of "ethical source" licenses (which I agree are not free software) in terms of preserving freedom makes them more appealing to the free software community

22:39 activelow; immibis: i think the total aggregate of investments and returns thereof is calculated sufficiently, by IFO Munich;

22:39 immibis; activelow: How many megawatts dose a 10-ton windmill produce?

22:39 DaemonFC; mjg59_ is just another anti-GPL troll.

22:39 XRevan86; In Russia there are proposals to legalise piracy.

22:39 DaemonFC; Microsoft booster, etc.

22:39 DaemonFC; Does everything on Github even.

22:39 XRevan86; But the no-war licence would surely be effective.

22:39 matey; <DaemonFC> mjg59_ is just another anti-GPL troll. <- no youre making him out to be ordinary

22:39 activelow; or why would you think, the eco-feminist-peace-activist Robert Habeck (ministry of economics) now begs in Quatar to raise Gas supplies?

22:39 mjg59_; matey: I don't think such a license would be workable, but the question is whether it's free software or not

22:39 prompted; piracy in the bosphros

22:39 immibis; XRevan86: this year we all learned that things like copyright are artificial social constructions that can only exist within the confines of a state willing to enforce them, and not some kind of natural law.

22:39 matey; mjg59_ let me put it this way.

22:39 DaemonFC; He can't find anything wrong with their plagiarism software, either.

22:39 immibis; activelow: How many megawatts dose a 10-ton windmill produce?

22:40 DaemonFC; And all of his friends on Shitter seem to be Microsoft employees.

22:40 XRevan86; immibis: I thought PRC taught us this lesson before already.

22:40 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Yeah I've been involved in multiple cases to rectify GPL violations but I'm anti-GPL

22:40 DaemonFC; Only when it was to shut down companies that competed with Microsoft.

22:40 activelow; immibis: already answered.

22:40 DaemonFC; Like those Linux tablets.

22:40 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Literally untrue

22:40 immibis; XRevan86: you would think so. My previous employer sent customers separate hardware devices and SD cards with firmware and I couldn't figure out why they would do that until I realized they wanted to avoid their firmware entering China

22:40 DaemonFC; Then you "ride to the rescue".

22:40 matey; mjg59_ in imaginaryland, exceptions to freedom 0 for forbidding war would make every user more free

22:41 immibis; activelow: It was not answered. I do not see a megawatt number anywhere in the scrollback.

22:41 matey; mjg59_ but in real life world, exceptions to freedom 0 for forbidding war would make every free license into a worthless piece of shit, and all users are less free

22:41 DaemonFC; A Chinese company makes Linux tablets like over 10 years ago, I think.

22:41 matey; but in imaginary land your question is one of impeccable logic

22:41 DaemonFC; Mr. Gulag shuts them down with US Customs, so they couldn't sell anything that might interfere with Windows RT.

22:41 prompted; --- deb.xanmod.org ping statistics ---

22:41 prompted; 243 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 243929ms

22:41 DaemonFC; Windows RT flops anyway.

22:41 matey; note that for most of my political years ive been an antiwar activist

22:41 DaemonFC; :)

22:42 immibis; DaemonFC: probably bullshit

22:42 matey; and im hardly an advocate of the dod now

22:42 immibis; activelow: How many megawatts does a 10-ton windmill produce?

22:42 activelow; immibis: ask Robert Habeck, why his wind mills subsidized with a trillion cannot compensate Russian/Ukrainian gas supplies

22:42 immibis; activelow: I am asking you.

22:42 mjg59_; DaemonFC: That was 2 years before Windows RT was released, so I had remarkable foresight

22:42 matey; but in imaginary land your question is one of impeccable logic <- this could be dismissed as casual sarcasm, im quite serious and sincere about it

22:42 DaemonFC; Well, you seem to be in communication with them a lot.

22:42 matey; under completely imaginary circumstances it DOES make FLAWLESS sense!

22:43 matey; thats the difference between theory and practice

22:43 DaemonFC; 2 years before the devices ship, they know there will be Windows RT devices, you know.

22:43 mjg59_; matey: Like I said, I don't think it's a good license!

22:43 matey; okay

22:43 DaemonFC; That's within the planning stages.

22:43 XRevan86; For one thing, it is uncertain whether even a copyright-respecting country would take an anti-war clause seriously.

22:43 mjg59_; matey: But it's interesting to think about whether there are ways to achieve the goals of the "ethical source" people in a way that doesn't compromise the goals of free software

22:43 DaemonFC; Microsoft doesn't want any interference because they know when people have choices they won't choose Microsoft.

22:43 matey; in a world where logic worked that way, i could get away with murder because everyone knows im a terrible shot

22:43 activelow; immibis: typically the maximum output of such a wind mill is advertized, which is practically useless, because of the volatility; that's why the total aggregate data of "renewable" market share from IFO Munich is more precise

22:44 DaemonFC; Their users are slipping away from them bit by bit.

22:44 activelow; immibis: and this total aggregate showed the renewable market share is close to absent

22:44 immibis; activelow: Answer the question. How many megawatts does a 10-ton windmill produce?

22:44 matey; "yes i killed him your honour, but given my notoriously bad aim this can only be seen as an accident, not a murder"

22:44 DaemonFC; Windows is losing users now like Internet Explorer did.

22:44 matey; i mean thats the same sort of logic

22:44 DaemonFC; So Microsoft invades other platforms. Samsung phones, Raspbian, etc.

22:44 prompted; The oldest and second-largest operating tidal power plant is in La Rance, France, with 240 MW of electricity generation capacity.

22:44 activelow; immibis: without de-stabilizing the energy grid?

22:44 immibis; activelow: In reality. How many megawatts does a 10-ton windmill produce?

22:45 immibis; prompted: neat. That's a good chunk of power.

22:45 DaemonFC; I recently disposed of a Samsung phone that wasn't even that old because they have pretty much no quality control at all anymore, and their shitty firmware is a Microsoft colony, which only compounds the technical issues.

22:45 mjg59_; DaemonFC: You claim that I only do GPL enforcement work to benefit Microsoft. When I challenge you on that, you just start talking about random Microsoft-related things.

22:45 matey; anyway its difficult (at first i thought he was saying something else) to find much faul with what kuhn was saying

22:45 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Why do you keep making things up about me?

22:45 matey; if its in isolation

22:45 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: You claim that I only do GPL enforcement work to benefit Microsoft. When I challenge you on that, you just start talking about random Microsoft-related things.

22:45 activelow; immibis: ask this Chancellor Scholz and Robert Habeck, who are responsible for a war in Ukraine now

22:45 immibis; activelow: I am asking you.

22:45 DaemonFC; It's on Wikipedia that you blocked those tablets.

22:45 XRevan86; mjg59_: It would be nice if the "ethical source" people knew that copyright is not like writing programme, it's not going to just be executed blindly by a machine.

22:45 matey; it really has to be in the context of other things (which are true) for it to be a huge problem

22:45 immibis; activelow: The fact that you're unable to answer indicates, frankly, that you are full of bullshit and hot air.

22:46 matey; <XRevan86> mjg59_: It would be nice if the "ethical source" people knew that copyright is not like writing programme, it's not going to just be executed blindly by a machine. <- this

22:46 DaemonFC; It's not even clear what possible "harm" they could have caused to the GPL.

22:46 activelow; immibis: i am not willing to cite fraudulent data

22:46 matey; brb

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22:46 DaemonFC; So I can only surmise that Microsoft wanted help to plow the road.

22:46 DaemonFC; Get rid of other devices on the market that people could choose, which were not controlled by them.

22:46 immibis; activelow: Bruh. I'm not even asking you to cite data. Your opinion would do.

22:46 mjg59_; DaemonFC: They were shipping hardware to people without giving them the source code? It's pretty clear what the harm was.

22:46 activelow; i slightly trust the data from IFO Munich however which was published 5years ago already, with a prognosis of doomsday ahead...

22:46 immibis; activelow: Please estimate for me how many megawatts one of these 10-ton windmills produces on average.

22:46 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: They were shipping hardware to people without giving them the source code? It's pretty clear what the harm was.

22:47 activelow; immibis: the suppliers of those wind mills advertise the maximum output almost always, and this i consider fraudulent, and i will not cite fraudulent data

22:47 DaemonFC; I recall you saying that some Android distributors were just dumping binaries onto their devices from name brand vendors and never had source code to begin with.

22:47 immibis; activelow: Please estimate for me how many megawatts one of these 10-ton windmills ACTUALLY PRODUCES on average.

22:47 DaemonFC; Of course, Samsung has done GPL violations before.

22:47 immibis; activelow: Please ESTIMATE for me how many megawatts one of these 10-ton windmills ACTUALLY PRODUCES on average.

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22:48 prompted; It is reckoned that an average onshore wind turbine rated at 2.5 3 megawatts can produce in excess of 6 million kWh every year. A 3.6 MW offshore turbine may double that.

22:48 mjg59_; DaemonFC: It's true! And that also creats harm

22:48 DaemonFC; And Samsung didn't do anything to correct their GPL violations until I brought the SFLC into it over Busybox.

22:48 DaemonFC; So what they do to get a free pass to violate the GPL is they excise bits like BusyBox.

22:49 immibis; 6 million kWh per year is 685 kW (0.685 MW). activelow: do you think this is a reasonable estimate?

22:49 matey; while i actually sympathise with JUST ONE thing kuhn is trying to achieve

22:49 DaemonFC; GPL violators like SONY come up with replacements for just the small bits where anyone will do enforcement actions.

22:49 DaemonFC; And then they're fine again.

22:49 matey; i think its more likely to create a second coc where projects are forbidden from doing various things with software

22:49 DaemonFC; They can go back to violating the license of the Linux kernel and god knows what else.

22:49 mjg59_; DaemonFC: So, again, what's your justification for claiming that I only do it to benefit Microsoft?

22:49 matey; the coc is about communications between developers (and arguably users)

22:49 immibis; btw: GPLv2 is terrible. It is basically MIT because it can still be locked down

22:49 matey; the second coc will be about what projects are allowed to do

22:50 DaemonFC; Well, "Secure Boot" is a Microsoft bullshit tactic.

22:50 immibis; GPLv3 would force Samsung to allow you to install custom firmware

22:50 matey; maybe there will be a coc against "copyright infringement" that forbids debian from including youtube-dl in the repos

22:50 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Do you have any evidence that I only help with GPL enforcement to help Microsoft?

22:50 DaemonFC; It's designed to take over the computer. There is no "Custom Mode" on most laptops and I refuse to believe you're too stupid to have noticed that.

22:50 matey; i actually like part of kuhns idea-- the problem is

22:50 matey; its more likely to be done in a way that limits free software further

22:50 DaemonFC; They edit the Setup program to remove CUSTOM MODE and then the user has no control over it.

22:51 activelow; immibis: a typical nuclear plant operates at the scale of 1000-2000MW; if 3000wind mills are required each individual one's maximum output is roughly 1MW on average, yet this is maximum output unavailable to consumers almost always

22:51 DaemonFC; It's Microsoft's key and nothing else, and now with Windows 11, Windows or the highway. If that's what Microsoft wants.

22:51 DaemonFC; Maybe they'd be sued. Does it matter? Not really.

22:51 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Do you have any evidence that I only help with GPL enforcement to help Microsoft?

22:51 activelow; that's why the data is useless to estimate the final return of investment, which currently is war in ukraine

22:51 immibis; activelow: WHAT IS THE MEGAWATT VELOCITY OF AN AVERAGELY LADEN WINDMILL?

22:51 DaemonFC; Can you imagine a Supreme Court dominated by Trump to rule in favor of anyone but Microsoft here?

22:52 matey; the thing about the moral police is they arent interested in side effects unless the world spends YEARS complaining about their shortsidedness

22:52 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> DaemonFC: Do you have any evidence that I only help with GPL enforcement to help Microsoft?

22:52 matey; then they say "well okay, how can we make this moral policing work for YOU then?"

22:52 matey; and its still a loaded question

22:52 DaemonFC; Why else would you kill a Linux tablet that nobody had even heard of using such tactics?

22:52 matey; of course in theory, its no problem at all. its only a problem in practice.

22:52 DaemonFC; Further, what do you think the environmental harm is of throwing away a 52 foot container of tablets?

22:52 matey; this is proof that the theory sucks.

22:53 DaemonFC; Or however many were shipped.

22:53 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Because everyone who receives material under the GPL should be able to exercise their rights

22:53 matey; when theories cant ever detect problems and side effects, and the side effects routinely outweigh the benefits

22:53 matey; thats proof that the theory was shit all along.

22:53 matey; open source was shit all along.

22:53 mjg59_; And because, in this case, the company writing their software was just up the road and so it was easy to engage with them directly

22:53 matey; we have proof

22:53 immibis; activelow: How. Many. Megawatts. Does. One. Of. These. 10. Ton. Windmills. Actually. Produce. On. Average.

22:54 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> And because, in this case, the company writing their software was just up the road and so it was easy to engage with them directly

22:54 immibis; petition to /kick activelow if he doesn't come up with an average megawatt number

22:54 DaemonFC; So they were a small thorn in Microsoft's side and you "engaged" with them and nobody heard from that company again, right?

22:54 matey; /me demands the answer be in jiggiwatts

22:54 DaemonFC; Big problems happen when you ignore little problems.

22:54 XRevan86; immibis: But if activelow is gone, who's going to explain to me the nature of German Titan cow tit slime chaos?

22:55 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Microsoft had no product in this space at the time, and wouldn't release one until 2 years later, so no, they weren't any sort of thorn in Microsoft's side

22:55 immibis; XRevan86: don't worry he'll come back

22:55 immibis; mjg59_: what was the stated reason for blocking this import?

22:55 DaemonFC; Microsoft can't accept that a few people leave because once they do, not only do they not come back. They tell their friends, "Hey, you know how Microsoft products crash all the time and get viruses, and destroy your data and cost a lot? This doesn't do that!".

22:55 matey; how many megawatts does it to take to blast apart a tootsie roll pop?

22:55 mjg59_; immibis: They were violating the terms of the GPL

22:55 DaemonFC; So they don't tolerate competition. They find ways to ruin it somehow.

22:55 mjg59_; And so it was a copyright infringement

22:55 immibis; neat. Did they start following the GPL?

22:55 mjg59_; Yup

22:55 immibis; cool then what's the argument about?

22:56 DaemonFC; And with Spamsung phones, they're ruining them by putting their apps on them, which most users don't want and would never install.

22:56 mjg59_; Great question

22:56 DaemonFC; And then making them non-optional.

22:56 mjg59_; Apparently me helping ensure users receive GPLed source code is actually me being in league with Microsoft

22:56 chicksahoy; DaemonFC: amen

22:56 matey; WHAT IS THE MEGAWATT VELOCITY OF AN AVERAGELY LADEN WINDMILL? <- what do you mean, an african windmill or a european one?

22:56 DaemonFC; Spamsung is killing the usability of their phones.

22:56 chicksahoy; DaemonFC: i love that term, "spamsung"

22:57 immibis; matey: a european one, in this case

22:57 DaemonFC; You don't need Microsoft for anything in Android, much less Bixby and Fakebook.

22:57 immibis; mjg59_: Same energy as "if you don't oppose Ukraine joining NATO it's your fault Russia invaded them"

22:57 chicksahoy; mjg59_: are you a fedora developer?

22:57 matey; the problem with the european windmills is the greens and the nordstrom-2 cancelled the project in favour of "green energy"

22:57 XRevan86; matey: I don't know that

22:57 DaemonFC; I'm hoping that Google puts more energy into the Pixel series. Because the 6 is pretty good.

22:57 matey; note i still have no idea who chicksahoy is

22:57 XRevan86; *falls into a pit*

22:57 matey; XRevan86: AAAAAAAHHHHHH!

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22:58 DaemonFC; They enforce the "clean Android" thing on the carriers.

22:58 immibis; chicksahoy is a reptoidz, xer username says so

22:58 DaemonFC; If more people notice, I think Spamsung's days are numbered.

22:58 chicksahoy; immibis: i don't use the xer pronoun

22:58 *GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) has joined #techrights

22:58 DaemonFC; They shot themselves in the foot with all of this bloatware and Microsoft tie-ins.

22:58 immibis; xer is a generic pronoun.

22:58 XRevan86; matey: How do ye know so much about windmills?

22:58 chicksahoy; im not non-binary

22:58 DaemonFC; You can already see the beginning of the end for them.

22:59 matey; immibis: there is a coincidence with the name. im actually assuming good faith here but the coincidence has some unfortunate connotations which im willing to ignore, but they come up just the same

22:59 immibis; chicksahoy: are you one of those people who insists that "they" cannot be singular?

22:59 matey; i was asked about this recently. thats why im stating again, i have no idea

22:59 matey; maybe a coincidence.

22:59 DaemonFC; "Samsung" marketshare within Android OEMs is falling and it only started when they packed the phone full of breadcrumbs back to Microsoft.

22:59 matey; maybe a deliberately troll. but note im assuming good faith.

22:59 DaemonFC; Even with LG getting out of the business entirely, "Samsung" fell more.

22:59 DaemonFC; Which is amazing.

22:59 matey; i dont know why-- yes i do, i havent paid enough attention to have a reasonable opinion about it.

22:59 chicksahoy; immibis: if people want to use xer,they,them, etc thats fine but im her/she

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23:00 DaemonFC; Even with the US government interfering to ruin Huawei, "Samsung" continued to fall.

23:00 immibis; someone doesn't know what "generic" means. A generic pronoun applies to all people regardless of gender.

23:00 DaemonFC; They fell by about 15% or so in a GROWING market for Android phones, with several vendors leaving or being pulverized by governmental jingoism.

23:01 matey; /me is a huge fan of singular they, even before it went all mainstream

23:01 DaemonFC; LG had a fair number of Android users and Huawei was never huge in the US, but had like almost 4% I think.

23:01 DaemonFC; So if Samsung really makes the best Android phones, they could be expected to gobble it all up. It would be a huge boon for them.

23:01 DaemonFC; The consolidation.

23:02 chicksahoy; immibis: i know what generic means

23:02 DaemonFC; But instead, people flock to phones like the Pixel because they're tired of being pissed off by incompetent and corrupt software.

23:02 chicksahoy; DaemonFC: the pixel actually lets you install lineageos

23:03 matey; XRevan86 you have to know these things when youre 'king around

23:03 chicksahoy; which makes them good phones

23:03 DaemonFC; Even with Android it's a damned sight better than the Galaxy S20 was.

23:03 DaemonFC; Samsung really is making Windows 10 the phone these days.

23:04 DaemonFC; I mean, it's Android, but all of these "icky" deceptive and sleazy practices that Windows 10/11 (same thing really) do like the spyware, the ads, the bugs, the forced updates that break things worse than they were already....

23:04 DaemonFC; Samsung has cloned that and brought it to their phones.

23:04 immibis; that has been phones since forever

23:04 matey; technically rms never said they cant be singular, he said its gramatically ambiguous and "per" would be better

23:04 XRevan86; The weird thing is that I haven't seen a Samsung phone in years.

23:04 immibis; all devices made by manufacturers who can get away with it

23:05 immibis; matey: wait until he learns German pronouns

23:05 matey; though i think per was protesting too much

23:05 DaemonFC; I moved my laptop to Debian. The new one.

23:05 DaemonFC; I have never even booted Fedora on this one.

23:05 matey; lots of words are ambiguous. "kal" was ambiguous as fuck tomorrow

23:05 matey; it means today AND yesterday

23:05 matey; sory tomorrow AND yesterday

23:05 DaemonFC; I completely lost interest in Fedora. Ever since the IBM takeover, Fedora is like the red headed stepchild.

23:05 DaemonFC; Nobody cares that it's falling apart.

23:05 matey; but not today

23:06 DaemonFC; Nobody maintains non-GNOME desktops to make sure that they even work at all, but they do package them......broken.

23:06 DaemonFC; Completely broken.

23:06 XRevan86; I just use singular "they" because all the other proposals stink.

23:06 matey; rms would say "but you can tell it from context which day kal refers to, and with singular they i gave examples where you cant"

23:06 matey; because thats how much rms thinks about grammar

23:06 matey; meanwhile he misses the fact that people use singular they all the time and y2k doesnt happen

23:07 DaemonFC; MinceR, IBM invests a billion dollars into Linux.

23:07 matey; its an imperect language

23:07 chicksahoy; I feel that people will use anything but she/her to describe a trans woman

23:07 matey; moreso when im typing it.

23:07 immibis; ihr = you (plural) (informal) (nominative) = her (possessive) = your (possessive)

23:07 DaemonFC; Also, Linux distros after the investment: Bombed out city that's had missiles falling on it all week.

23:07 DaemonFC; mjg59_ thinks I'm "transphobic" whatever that is.

23:07 matey; I feel that people will use anything but she/her to describe a trans woman <- uses she her with trans women all the time

23:08 DaemonFC; The truth is I just really don't give a shit.

23:08 chicksahoy; matey: thank you :)

23:08 schestowitz; [23:07] <DaemonFC> MinceR, IBM invests a billion dollars into Linux.

23:08 schestowitz; Is IBM a charity?

23:08 matey; ibm is a scam

23:08 immibis; = her (dative) her (nominative/accusative)

23:08 schestowitz; ICBM

23:09 DaemonFC; When people start telling me what I "have to do", then there's pushback.

23:09 immibis; DaemonFC: You have to call me "he"

23:09 chicksahoy; i use fedora even though its ICBM/Redhat

23:09 DaemonFC; Like, if you ask me to refer to you as "her" or "she" or whatever, I will.

23:09 matey; im sorry

23:09 DaemonFC; If the government comes in and says I have to or else, then I won't. I just won't.

23:09 immibis; DaemonFC: do you push back against calling me "he"?

23:09 DaemonFC; I hate the government. I hate being told what I "must" do.

23:10 immibis; DaemonFC: do you drive on the wrong side of the road?

23:10 DaemonFC; It's nothing personal.

23:10 DaemonFC; <immibis> DaemonFC: do you drive on the wrong side of the road?

23:10 DaemonFC; Well, driving on the wrong side of the road is provable and likely to cause me harm somehow.

23:10 DaemonFC; So no.

23:10 chicksahoy; immibis: he rides his bike on the wrong side of the road

23:10 immibis; It's also something the government says you must do.

23:11 immibis; must not do, rather

23:11 DaemonFC; I may have broken the traffic laws before.....but driving the wrong way....I can't recall ever doing that.

23:11 DaemonFC; I mean, it's kind of hard to when there are RED SIGNS.

23:11 immibis; I thought you hated doing what the government told you to do

23:12 immibis; Red signs are just the government telling you what to do

23:12 DaemonFC; Like I said, I comply sometimes if it would cause me more of a problem than if I didn't.

23:12 DaemonFC; But I do despise the government.

23:12 DaemonFC; And I don't like being told what to do.

23:12 matey; dont lets be beastly to fedora, it really is a lovely piece of kit

23:12 immibis; DaemonFC: Do you like the government telling you you must put your poop in the sewer?

23:12 chicksahoy; matey: thank you again, i love fedora

23:13 matey; we shouldnt sign up to post to their fora, and say the devs are all a bunch of dicks

23:13 DaemonFC; Well, when you've gotta go you've gotta go.

23:13 DaemonFC; Like the bums in San Francisco.

23:13 XRevan86; matterbridge supports Opus for Mumble

23:13 immibis; DaemonFC: Do you like the government telling you that you must put your poop in the sewer?

23:14 DaemonFC; Instead of solving social issue, Matt Gulag supports a government that does "pee reflecting paint" in the subway tunnel.

23:14 TR News; The first Asahi Linux alpha release http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33112

23:14 TR Bot; The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines

23:14 XRevan86; Ah, it's just a stub, never mind.

23:14 immibis; DaemonFC: Do you like the government telling you that you must put your poop in the sewer?

23:14 mjg59_; chicksahoy: I'm a Fedora developer, but haven't really been active for a while

23:14 TR News; Steam Deck hits over 1,500 titles either Verified or Playable | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-deck-hits-over-1500-titles-either-verified-or-playable

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23:14 TR Bot; Deck hits over 1,500 titles either Verified or Playable | GamingOnLinux

23:14 DaemonFC; It's not inconvenient for me to shit in a toilet so I guess I've never really thought about it in those terms.

23:14 chicksahoy; mjg59_: i read your post about uefi secure boot and im happy that fedora works on those systems

23:15 DaemonFC; But I have gone to the bathroom outside before when there was nobody around.

23:15 immibis; DaemonFC: It's not inconvenient for you to call women "she", either

23:15 matey; mjg59_ is setting a good example

23:15 immibis; but you still complain

23:15 DaemonFC; Or in a drink container in the car when I didn't feel like pulling over.

23:15 DaemonFC; Open the door later. Dump it out.

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23:15 TR Bot; Steam Deck Has A TON of Great Apps In Desktop Mode! - Invidious

23:15 immibis; DaemonFC: Do you hate that the government tells you not to do that?

23:15 TR Bot; Social Control Media Posts

23:15 matey; sure hes a fedora developer but hes inactive

23:15 matey; its a good compromise

23:15 TR News; The 5 Best Linux Smartphones of 2022 - Linux on the Go Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162751

23:15 TR Bot; The 5 Best Linux Smartphones of 2022 - Linux on the Go | Tux Machines

23:16 DaemonFC; What? Rolling the window down and pouring a cup of piss out?

23:16 DaemonFC; I don't care.

23:16 chicksahoy; DaemonFC: no, piss jugs!

23:16 immibis; DaemonFC: Do you go out of your way to piss on the road, just because the government tells you to piss in the toilet?

23:16 DaemonFC; I wouldn't say that.

23:16 mjg59_; But you would go out of your way to misgender people

23:16 mjg59_; Interesting

23:16 chicksahoy; mjg59_: <3

23:17 mjg59_; Seems like it's not just because of whether or not the government tells you to

23:17 immibis; It's almost like your problem is with trans people specifically, and not with the government telling you to do stuff.

23:17 DaemonFC; The only one I've developed an intense personal disgust of is "Uncle Keith". I've said the story enough times.

23:17 mjg59_; So why do you misgender other people?

23:17 DaemonFC; He's not even trans. No psychiatrist would say he was a candidate so he went and did it in Manitoba.

23:17 mjg59_; (Or threaten to do so)

23:18 immibis; fair enough, but then you say it about all trans people

23:18 XRevan86; mjg59_: Seems like DaemonFC has a distaste for one particular person, and then extrapolates from that.

23:19 *XRevan86 would rather not hear the same story about an uncle multiple times.

23:19 schestowitz; can we get back to tech?

23:19 schestowitz; a couple of trolls here intentionally change the subject

23:20 immibis; say something about tech then

23:20 mjg59_; Yeah, some troll keeps making shit up about my motivations

23:20 XRevan86; https://github.com/42wim/matterbridge/releases/tag/v1.24.1 New release, yay?

23:20 TR Bot; matterbridge v1.24.1 42wim/matterbridge GitHub

23:20 mjg59_; And then changes the subject when asked to justify it

23:20 immibis; apparently forcing people to release their GPL source means you're a microsoft shill?

23:20 XRevan86; (#DeleteGitHub and everything)

23:20 mjg59_; It's some galaxy brain thinking, yeah

23:21 DaemonFC; The DMCA has been an incredibly unfortunate law that was passed by trolls who wanted to attack people in order to own and control everything.

23:21 DaemonFC; If there is a way to thwart it, you should.

23:21 immibis; how can you think black people are genetically criminals and also think the DMCA is bad. That's such a weird combination of opinions.

23:22 mjg59_; The DMCA is bad, but the time I used it against the MPAA was good

23:22 TR News; GNUnet 0.16.2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162752

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23:22 DaemonFC; So guns can be good if you shoot criminals with them?

23:22 immibis; oh how did you get to use the DMCA against the MPAA?

23:22 immibis; DaemonFC: Yes. That's why we're sending weapons to Ukraine.

23:22 immibis; probably better for nobody to shoot anyone

23:23 mjg59_; https://fudzilla.com/news/1785-riaa-forced-to-take-down-anti-pirate-tool

23:23 TR Bot; RIAA forced to take down anti-pirate tool

23:23 mjg59_; Headline says RIAA, but is wrong

23:23 immibis; lol congrats

23:23 mjg59_; https://www.theregister.com/2007/12/04/mpaa_copyright_petard_hoisting/ is a better source

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23:23 TR Bot; MPAA's uni piracy-busting toolkit forced offline The Register

23:23 immibis; MPAA violates copyright. Did they get a $10,000,000,000,000,000 fine?

23:23 DaemonFC; So if I buy a gun and use it to shoot someone who is cutting the catalytic converter off of my car, that's good. I've stopped a bad guy, permanently.

23:24 DaemonFC; Odds are, you give this person a million second chances in court, they'd never be reformed.

23:24 immibis; DaemonFC: No, but if you use it to shoot someone who's going around shooting people, it's good

23:24 DaemonFC; They just go back to taking what's not theirs from people who can barely afford to fix the damage they cause.

23:24 mjg59_; immibis: I was a student at the time, so didn't have the resources to take it any further

23:24 immibis; if you use it to intimidate the person stealing your catalytic converter, that's good on balance

23:24 immibis; dying is worse than losing a catalytic converter though

23:25 TR News; "A few weeks ago Lapsus claimed to hack Nvidia and take 1tb of data, they claimed they'd release it but since then nothing has happened, but they haven't been sitting around leaving other companies alone." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0J9UuXrqtNM

23:25 TR Bot; Nvidia Hackers Ban People Asking For Nvidia Leak - Invidious

23:25 mjg59_; Anyway I guess daemonfc would say that preventing the MPAA distributing GPL-violating software that was going to be used to spy on students was actually me helping out Microsoft

23:25 DaemonFC; A week ago, a police dog caught a catalytic converter thief and bit the fuck out of him. I lol'd.

23:26 TR News; "We discuss Bill's struggles with Windows and his venture into using Pop!_OS. We provide some ideas on adding a second drive to a Linux machine for dual-booting, running Windows programs without Windows, and problems with backups using rsync." https://goinglinux.com/shownotes.html#glp421

23:26 TR Bot; Going Linux Shownotes

23:26 DaemonFC; At least when the liberal lunatic in the black robe lets him go, he'll have some nice dog bite injuries.

23:26 TR News; USA: we only want you for your sweatshops, China https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/fcc_pacific_networks_comnet/

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23:26 TR Bot; Pacific Networks given 60 days to leave the US The Register

23:27 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> Anyway I guess daemonfc would say that preventing the MPAA distributing GPL-violating software that was going to be used to spy on students was actually me helping out Microsoft

23:27 DaemonFC; Which software did they use instead?

23:27 mjg59_; They dropped the program entirely, as far as I can tell

23:27 DaemonFC; Doubtful.

23:27 mjg59_; No universities reported receiving replacements

23:28 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Did doing that benefit Microsoft?

23:28 immibis; they didn't just comply with the GPL... probably because they think copyright is a tool to extort billions from random victims.

23:28 DaemonFC; Anyway, people on public wifi networks should figure they're being spied on and deploy countermeasures, you know?

23:28 TR News; Reddit = corporate AstroTurf club https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2022/03/19/359/

23:28 TR Bot; Is r/linux a cult of deranged hallucinogen addicts? Are they dangerous? | systemd-free linux community

23:28 DaemonFC; If you're being spied on by your own ISP (you are), why figure public wifi is safe?

23:29 mjg59_; 22:40 < DaemonFC> Only when it was to shut down companies that competed with Microsoft.

23:29 mjg59_; I've just given you an obvious counterexample (the MPAA does not compete with Microsoft). Was your claim accurate?

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23:31 DaemonFC; To be clear, I absolutely don't think that the MPAA should have been stopped from doing that thing by the DMCA....... For the record, I think the MPAA should be stopped from doing anything with a series of cruise missile strikes against their headquarters and any lawyer's office that has ever worked with them. Unfortunately, that's unrealistic, I know. But you wanted an opinion.

23:32 DaemonFC; Bill Clinton blew up a pharmaceutical factory with a cruise missile. That was a crime against humanity, you know.

23:33 DaemonFC; There's people out there who actually deserve such a thing.

23:33 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Was your claim that I only engage in GPL enforcement to shut down companies that competed with Microsoft accurate?

23:33 TR News; Stiffing or shortages? "Contract chip manufacturers grew revenue in the fourth quarter of last calendar year largely by raising the prices of wafers in the face of overloaded factories as the semiconductor industry continued its breakneck pace." https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/16/wafer_prices_semiconductor/

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23:33 TR Bot; Rising wafer prices lift revenues at chip foundries The Register

23:34 DaemonFC; In my opinion, there was no real need to attack a company that sold cheap Linux tablets other than wanting to see Microsoft succeed more.

23:34 TR News; Repairing TheJoystick for TheC64 - CubicleNates Techpad https://cubiclenate.com/2022/03/19/repairing-thejoystick-for-thec64/

23:34 TR Bot; TheJoystick for TheC64 CubicleNate's Techpad

23:34 immibis; what about wanting source code for your linux tablets?

23:34 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Was your claim accurate?

23:34 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Because what I'm hearing at the moment is you failing to justify the claim but also refusing to admit that you were incorrect

23:35 DaemonFC; I've only ever witnessed you doing things that are for the ultimate benefit of Microsoft, somehow.

23:35 TR News; fish 3.4.0 (released March 12, 2022) https://fishshell.com/docs/current/relnotes.html

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23:35 TR Bot; Release notes fish-shell 3.4.0 documentation

23:35 DaemonFC; Putting them in a better position to exploit computer users and the market in general.

23:35 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Was your claim accurate?

23:35 MinceR; 19 233349 < immibis> DaemonFC: why do you want to murder little children?

23:36 MinceR; are the terrorussians using little children in their invasion army already?

23:36 TR News; Ubuntu 22.04 Switching to GNOME 42, with One Click Full Dark / Light, Accent Colors Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162754

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23:36 DaemonFC; I haven't heard anything about Putin using child soldiers, but I suppose he might be.

23:36 DaemonFC; It's probably what comes next at this rate. They're losing people fast in the invasion.

23:37 activelow; https://www.dw.com/en/wounded-russian-soldiers-fill-belarusian-hospitals/a-61181434

23:37 TR Bot; Russian soldiers fill Belarusian hospitals | Europe | News and current affairs from around the continent | DW | 19.03.2022

23:37 mjg59_; DaemonFC: Do you accept that your claim was inaccurate, or can you provide evidence to support it?

23:38 immibis; MinceR: he said to murder all russians

23:38 DaemonFC; The only way that it would be better for a Russian soldier to be wounded would be if they are maimed to the point where they will be a burden on Russia and cannot be re-deployed.

23:38 MinceR; i would hope they use their large children before the little children

23:38 immibis; all russians, no exceptions

23:38 MinceR; immibis: he said "ALL Russians who come across the border"

23:38 mjg59_; Ok so daemonfc has clearly given up on attempting to justify his claim about my behaviour and you should probably assume that anything else he claims about me is similarly inaccurate

23:39 mjg59_; I don't know why he keeps making up stuff to criticise me with - there's plenty of legitimate things to disagree with me on

23:39 mjg59_; (Roy's claims about me are of similar accuracy)

23:39 DaemonFC; Mr. Gulag on his ShitHub doing his ridiculous "kernel lockdown" crap that no user really wants.

23:39 DaemonFC; You turn off Security Theater Boot, and Hibernate works again, among other things.

23:40 DaemonFC; Even if that mess ever gets merged to where it works with Security Theater Boot, it adds complexity and likely bugs as well.

23:40 schestowitz-TR; mjg59_: welcome to the hospital. make yourself feel at home. You are...

23:40 schestowitz-TR; oops

23:40 schestowitz-TR; to MinceR

23:40 schestowitz-TR; Belarus didn't even fight the invader

23:40 DaemonFC; So you'd have to stick a big fat warning label on it that it's not fit for production use until we know how and when it corrupts data.

23:41 immibis; MinceR: yup so nobody is allowed to escape putin

23:41 schestowitz-TR; will be be put in

23:41 schestowitz-TR; the hospital

23:41 MinceR; are russian civilians escaping via ukraine?

23:41 immibis; schestowitz-TR: you are talking about non-tech

23:41 MinceR; seems like an unnecessarily dangerous route

23:41 XRevan86; MinceR: no

23:41 MinceR; immibis: so are you

23:41 XRevan86; It is.

23:41 DaemonFC; Scrolls halfway down....sees Lukashenko in a military costume.

23:41 immibis; but I don't always complain about other people talking about non-tech

23:42 schestowitz-TR; yeah, sorry, I was responding to something

23:42 DaemonFC; Why do politicians have to dress up in military costumes?

23:42 immibis; dictators do

23:42 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: What does this have to do with tech?

23:42 schestowitz-TR; immibis: the topic some people try to pull in would intentionally let them demonise the site

23:42 immibis; MinceR: some were going across and defecting

23:42 DaemonFC; They had W in a flight suit for his Mission Accomplished speech.

23:43 DaemonFC; He hadn't flown a military plane since he was in a unit for celebrities in the Texas Air National Guard to avoid the draft.

23:43 schestowitz-TR; the Russian invasion is about tech in some aspect

23:43 schestowitz-TR; but not the hospital aspect

23:43 DaemonFC; And even THEN it wouldn't have had any modern planes.

23:43 MinceR; immibis: i've heard some russian soldiers put down their weapons and defected

23:43 DaemonFC; <MinceR> immibis: i've heard some russian soldiers put down their weapons and defected

23:43 DaemonFC; What do they have to go back for?

23:43 XRevan86; MinceR: Quite a lot.

23:44 MinceR; DaemonFC: nothing

23:44 MinceR; putler's regime has people beaten and imprisoned for protesting against his war

23:44 DaemonFC; Yeah, he gave them an opportunity to escape.

23:44 DaemonFC; Sounds like they made good use of it.

23:45 immibis; DaemonFC: like I said, dictators. And ones who are actually in the military force, of course

23:45 DaemonFC; Sergei Lavrov is proving he's delusional.

23:46 DaemonFC; Russia MAY get a guarantee of Ukrainian neutrality to end the war.

23:46 MinceR; hopefully not

23:46 MinceR; that would be effectively a loss for ukraine

23:46 immibis; this is telling the arsonist you promise not to buy a fire extinguisher, in exchange for the arsonist promising not to burn down your house

23:46 MinceR; then again, i suppose the west could still strangle terrorussia with sanctions after officially ending the war

23:46 MinceR; lol, yes

23:47 MinceR; especially after he's already burned down two of your houses

23:47 immibis; why would the arsonist care about that, if he wasn't going to take advantage of your lack of a fire extinguisher to burn down your house anyway?

23:47 TR News; "tech" has become very broken gemini://midnight.pub/posts/849

23:47 DaemonFC; Other countries that were neutral are now scrambling to join NATO.

23:47 DaemonFC; So Russia will still have NATO at their front door.

23:48 immibis; They already did, anyway.

23:48 TR News; " I survived the week minus my boss. He's my deflector shield from senior management grand* ideas. He is the diplomat, I just tell 'em "no - daft idea"." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/850

23:48 immibis; After arson attack, arsonist's neighbours all gain fire extinguishers.

23:48 *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@sy7ss5msyeqgk.irc) has joined #techrights

23:49 TR News; "In my last video on AppImages, I got a lot of comments about how AppImages can't be updated." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=V3i1R8qrGAg

23:49 TR Bot; Want To Update Your AppImages? Try These Tools! - Invidious

23:49 XRevan86; DaemonFC: This would've been the outcome even if Russia had succeeded in crushing Ukraine in a few days.

23:49 TR News; 190: Asahi Linux, Stream Deck for Linux, AMD FSR, Steam on ChromeOS, Windows Ads and more Linux news - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/this-week-in-linux/twil-190/

23:49 TR Bot; Asahi Linux, Stream Deck for Linux, AMD FSR, Steam on ChromeOS, Windows Ads and more Linux news - TuxDigital

23:50 XRevan86; DaemonFC: Which kind of implies that Putin never actually cared about it, it's just a pretext.

23:50 MinceR; maybe he did care, but he's too stupid or full of his own propaganda to realize it

23:51 XRevan86; One guess I have is that he wants recognition of Crimea as Russian at any cost.

23:52 MinceR; http://www.engrish.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/ladys-cocks.jpg ( https://www.engrish.com/2020/05/schlong-or-short/ )

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23:52 XRevan86; A lot of people also talk about that maybe it's because he hated seeing Ukraine succeed after throwing away a corrupt president.

23:52 TR Bot; Schlong or short

23:52 matey; strategic use of the law against itself makse sense on a case-by-case basis

23:52 MinceR; i don't see how this could possibly lead to that

23:52 matey; the gpl relies on copyright

23:52 XRevan86; Hard to tell what's really going on in his head.

23:53 TR News; Free Software Awards winners announced: SecuRepairs, Protesilaos Stavrou, Paul Eggert Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162755

23:53 MinceR; does copyleft even still work?

23:53 matey; as someone who would rather abolish copyright thats probably alright, provided x y z

23:53 TR Bot; Free Software Awards winners announced: SecuRepairs, Protesilaos Stavrou, Paul Eggert | Tux Machines

23:53 MinceR; megacorporate parasites took over the Linux Foundation and violate its license with impunity

23:53 matey; <MinceR> does copyleft even still work? a. good question b. probably c. MOSTLY its corporate shills asking d. no, that doesnt include you, but its worth mentioning

23:53 *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)

23:53 MinceR; with the dbugs hole, GPL can be downgraded to LGPL

23:54 matey; i have my own misgivings about it, but its hard to talk about the pros and cons of copyleft when the shills are already doing it

23:54 XRevan86; MinceR: Whether Putin actually cares about the things he says he cares about is lower than 50%, because he prefers to lie by default.

23:54 matey; im actually more optimistic than a lot of the copyleft naysayers

23:54 matey; but theyre not all shills

23:54 MinceR; i think everyone in the community has business asking, because we do pay for the alleged protection of copyleft, e.g. by being limited from mixing various free software together

23:54 immibis; MinceR: do people sue people for violating it?

23:54 MinceR; \_()_/

23:54 matey; i think everyone in the community has business asking <- yes i agree

23:55 MinceR; Hellwig v VMware also suggests that it's not effective anymore

23:55 schestowitz-TR; there are shaming tactics

23:55 matey; by being limited from mixing various free software together <- yes, this too

23:55 immibis; XRevan86: everything Putin says is a pretext. He (or his ghostwriter) is a master of propaganda, inherited from the soviet union apparently

23:55 schestowitz-TR; esp. for large corporations that do it at a large scale

23:55 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft did too

23:55 schestowitz-TR; Samsung..

23:55 matey; Hellwig v VMware <- i put less stock in Hellwig v VMware than i do in copyrightable apis

23:55 schestowitz-TR; then they cought up the code

23:55 schestowitz-TR; or some of it

23:55 matey; im more worried about copyrightable apis

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23:55 schestowitz-TR; in the case of vmware, they run away

23:55 XRevan86; immibis: "inherited from the soviet union apparently" <- Hm, don't know if that's correct.

23:56 matey; but chances are that problem will disappear eventually (fingers crossed)

23:56 matey; its not like we have enough to say to push it anywhere

23:56 matey; enough say in the matter ^

23:56 immibis; XRevan86: the soviet union had a lot of repression, propaganda, corruption, etc, did it not?

23:56 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@2qj25x6d3cy5n.irc) has joined #techrights

23:56 XRevan86; But a lot of methods are the same, yea.

23:56 matey; immibis : at least under stalin

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23:57 matey; not intended exclusively

23:57 immibis; that someone who grew up in that era, learned it, and worked in the propaganda agencies is still applying it to us and we don't even realize, is not surprising

23:57 matey; i seem to recall some wall...

23:57 TR Bot; The 8 Best DAW Apps for Music Production on Linux | Tux Machines

23:57 matey; that someone who grew up in that era, learned it, and worked in the propaganda agencies <- fascists have propaganda too

23:57 *gooseheaded (~gooseheaded@sy7ss5msyeqgk.irc) has joined #techrights

23:57 XRevan86; immibis: His work didn't involve propaganda per se.

23:57 matey; bernays literally wrote the book on it

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23:58 immibis; matey: were putin and stalin not fascists?

23:58 matey; were putin and stalin not fascists? <- no theyre bonapartists

23:58 matey; its similar

23:58 matey; stalin made pacts with literal fascists, he was in bed with them

23:59 matey; but it was all strategic (ie very stupid)

23:59 MinceR; according to the presentation of a historian i watched yesterday (in hungarian), terrorussia complies with a set of 4 criteria for fascism

23:59 matey; stalin realised (incorrectly) that the state had to be protected AT ALL COSTS

23:59 matey; the state is supposed to wither away under marxism. stalin was a fucking idiot.

23:59 matey; but a dangerous one

23:59 XRevan86; Putin just protects himself.

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