IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Friday, March 18, 2022

beginning of new day, March 18

00:10 matey; <immibis> matey: selling their houses to fucking aquaman is a meme. <- thanks

00:10 matey; /me isnt cool anymore

00:11 matey; never wasm but hey

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00:14 DaemonFC; Someone got on Walmart, hacked into some lady's account, and ordered a bunch of shit.

00:15 DaemonFC; I called Walmart and asked if there was anything shipping to my address, this was on Tuesday (after some woman from a private number called me and complained that someone was ordering things to my house).

00:15 DaemonFC; Walmart told me nothing was coming.

00:15 DaemonFC; Yesterday, I got a package, and it was an inflatable pool toy. Today I got a package, and it was a 100 pound TV stand.

00:16 DaemonFC; I keep calling to complain. The police won't take a report from me about what's going on. FedEx won't take the item back unless I pay the return shipping. Walmart the store says "Not our problem. Call Walmart.com". Walmart.com says to just keep it or donate it and that the woman who was defrauded will have to work this out with her bank, but they won't pay to have the items returned.

00:17 DaemonFC; It's pretty clear that I was never supposed to know this was going on. They figured they'd wait and snatch them off my doorstep and if the police showed up, they'd be here questioning me.

00:18 DaemonFC; <immibis> DaemonFC claims democrat-run cities have failed. I say, if they have failed then why the fuck are people willing to pay $2,500 per month to move there?

00:19 DaemonFC; Once they get the green light to work from home, they move to a red state and then their boss goes "Hey, wait a minute! We're paying you a higher salary so you can deal with the bullshit cost of living in Chicago!".

00:19 matey; if they have failed then why the fuck are people willing to pay $2,500 per month to move there? <- because aquaman defaulted on the home loan

00:20 DaemonFC; "Come back here! How will we support the decision to have an army of middle managers, a $4,000 coffee machine, and office space in the Sears Tower if you're in West Virginia enjoying wide open spaces, no crime, clean air, and low rent?".

00:20 matey; loved the video

00:23 matey; presumably some parts are undergoing gentrification while others are simply becoming a shithole

00:23 matey; daemonfc: if you could live anywhere, where would you go?

00:24 matey; lets assume that an armed base on the moon is an option

00:25 matey; if you're in West Virginia enjoying <- already that does not sound like west virginia

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00:42 Snap[$]; this channel is about everything but linux

00:42 Snap[$]; LOL

00:46 Snap[$]; good to know that Motocross Madness 2 doesn't crash anymore on new wine version :>

00:47 Snap[$]; might make the game way too easy

00:48 Snap[$]; if you dont crash anymore :>

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00:57 MinceR; (audio:music) https://hugelolcdn.com/v/816873.mp4

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00:57 immibis; DaemonFC: You dodged the question.

00:59 Snap[$]; mp4 is usually porn

00:59 Snap[$]; why do i keep hiting wayback machine?

00:59 MinceR; there's a porn-specific container?

1 AM, March 18

01:00 Snap[$]; yes mp4

01:00 MinceR; altlink_587 recommends wayback machine to get around crimeflare

01:00 Alternative link; https://mypdns.org/dCF/deCloudflare/-/issues/152

01:01 MinceR; is it more porn-specific than other versions of mpeg?

01:01 Snap[$]; im no porn expert

01:02 Snap[$]; mp4 is apple sinfull format

01:02 Snap[$]; container

01:03 MinceR; well, crApple is a member of the MPEG LA cartel

01:06 Snap[$]; h265 as good quality thou

01:07 Snap[$]; https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/dists/bookworm/InRelease: Key is stored in legacy trusted.gpg keyring (/etc/apt/trusted.gpg), see the DEPRECATION section in apt-key(8) for details.

01:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: winehq.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/dists/bookworm/InRelease:

01:07 TR Bot; content type. Ignoring.

01:07 Snap[$]; ???

01:07 Snap[$]; my mom told me i should had installed ubuntu instead

01:08 Snap[$]; this is gona take all night :>

01:08 DaemonFC; <matey> daemonfc: if you could live anywhere, where would you go?

01:08 DaemonFC; Sorry, I went to the police station.

01:08 DaemonFC; Had them write out a report on this.

01:09 Snap[$]; your full of shit

01:09 DaemonFC; I live down the street from them.

01:10 DaemonFC; I just wanted to be on the record saying what exactly happened.

01:10 DaemonFC; In case anyone files a complaint later, so it doesn't look like all of these packages from Walmart got dumped in here and I never said anything about it.

01:11 DaemonFC; I told them that Walmart says they can't take it, Walmart.com told me to keep them or donate them or throw them away and it's between their customer and her bank, about the lady that called me from the private number, and so on.

01:11 Snap[$]; how much did you pay?

01:11 DaemonFC; Nothing.

01:11 DaemonFC; They ordered an inflatable pool toy and a TV stand.

01:12 DaemonFC; It's like maybe $160 worth of stuff.

01:12 DaemonFC; $150 TV stand and a $10 pool toy.

01:12 Snap[$]; so what prevents people just flodding the police with reports?

01:12 DaemonFC; Well, if you go down there and talk to them and ask them to give you a report number, they'll take a report.

01:12 DaemonFC; But normally they don't take reports over the phone.

01:13 Snap[$]; so its just like linux tick system

01:13 Snap[$]; ticket

01:13 DaemonFC; If they have to, they'll give you a report number.

01:14 DaemonFC; It's just that usually people don't want one unless they've suffered an insurable loss.

01:14 DaemonFC; Most likely what will happen is she'll file a chargeback with her bank, who will give her the money.

01:14 DaemonFC; So she won't care.

01:14 DaemonFC; Then the bank will take the money from Walmart.

01:14 DaemonFC; So her bank won't care.

01:15 DaemonFC; Then Walmart already told me that they locked her account and forced her to secure it.

01:15 DaemonFC; I told them they should force everyone onto 2FA in the first place because then you couldn't make your password "password123".

01:15 DaemonFC; Shitty e-commerce site. They must not really care about fraud.

01:15 Snap[$]; was that your password?

01:16 DaemonFC; I don't have a password on my Walmart account.

01:16 DaemonFC; They send me a one time code to my phone instead.

01:16 DaemonFC; It's like 8 digits and it only works for 1 minute and then it expires.

01:16 Snap[$]; so how did you get robed?

01:16 DaemonFC; And you have to generate a new one.

01:17 DaemonFC; I didn't.

01:17 DaemonFC; Someone shipped the package to me with the intent to run off with it.

01:17 Snap[$]; but you got the package?

01:17 DaemonFC; Yeah.

01:17 DaemonFC; What was I supposed to do? Leave it out there so they'd succeed and do it again?

01:18 Snap[$]; so how the the rober got your 8 digit code?

01:18 DaemonFC; They didn't.

01:18 DaemonFC; They got my name and address and put it on her account.

01:18 DaemonFC; Then they placed an order with her account and shipped it to me.

01:19 DaemonFC; I think Walmart did manage to stop one of the items.

01:19 Snap[$]; so she validate the purchase with her 8 digit code?

01:19 DaemonFC; Because she told me there were three items.

01:19 DaemonFC; I just don't remember what the next one is supposed to be.

01:19 DaemonFC; Snap[$], Probably she uses an iPhone and couldn't spell 2FA.

01:20 DaemonFC; That is how The Fappening happened.

01:20 Snap[$]; so iphones are less secure?

01:20 DaemonFC; They have a really shitty security mechanism.

01:20 DaemonFC; The only software allowed to run is from the App Store.

01:21 DaemonFC; Yet, Apple doesn't have a human read the source code.

01:21 DaemonFC; So malware has made it into the App Store, and there is no defense-in-depth.

01:21 DaemonFC; So once it gets on the phone somehow (security hole or App Store) it can do whatever it wants on the phone.

01:21 Snap[$]; they have access to the source code?

01:22 DaemonFC; Usually. They run a binary through an automated system that sees if it does anything suspicious and flags it for further review.

01:23 Snap[$]; so they dont

01:23 DaemonFC; If it gets stuck in further review, often the developer doesn't hear anything from Apple for months.

01:23 DaemonFC; Then it either gets accepted or rejected.

01:23 DaemonFC; They do, but they don't want to allocate manpower to inspecting source code.

01:23 DaemonFC; So unless their smoke testing uncovers something suspicious, they usually look no further into it.

01:24 DaemonFC; Which makes it easy to slip in dormant code that does nothing while it's being tested, and then activates later, after it's in the store.

01:26 Snap[$]; friday 13?

01:26 DaemonFC; Epic really embarrassed Apple with that.

01:27 DaemonFC; They not only sneaked in dormant code that Apple missed, it was an entire competing payment system.

01:28 DaemonFC; The Play Store on Android is the official store, has had a lot of malware incidents, including banking trojans.

01:28 DaemonFC; F-Droid is operated by volunteers, open source software only. I'm not aware of any malware making it in. It also has reproducible builds.

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01:29 Snap[$]; F-Droid foesnt have Epic games :<

01:30 Snap[$]; so thats what epic fail comes from?

01:30 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/meta-ftc-documents-subpoena

01:30 TR Bot; v. Facebook: Meta subpoenas Twitter, Snap, Reddit - Protocol

01:31 Snap[$]; meta is going to sell the data to the GOP

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01:33 AdmFubar; they will sell to the highest bidder

01:33 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/ftc-algorithm-data-model-ai

01:33 TR Bot; order to delete AI algorithms will have consequences - Protocol

01:33 Snap[$]; to the highest bidder?

01:34 Snap[$]; to everyone that pays

01:35 Snap[$]; to the highest bidder 1st then one week later the the second highest bider and so on

01:36 Snap[$]; what ever works best to maximize profits

01:42 Snap[$]; damn apt key

01:42 Snap[$]; they trying to become apple?

01:43 Snap[$]; wine should update debian key stuff

01:43 Snap[$]; or debian should update wine package

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2 AM, March 18

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02:35 AdmFubar; this is just as bad as having a body image issue.... https://restofworld.org/2022/south-korea-star-ratings-trouble/

02:35 TR Bot; Delivery apps obsession with star ratings is ruining lives - Rest of World

02:37 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-170322.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-170322.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-170322.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-170322.txt

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02:40 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, March 17, 2022

02:42 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-03-17.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-03-17.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)

3 AM, March 18

03:00 AdmFubar; https://threatpost.com/staff-think-conti-group-legit-employer-podcast/178903/

03:00 TR Bot; Think Conti Group Is a Legit Employer Podcast | Threatpost

03:00 AdmFubar; https://threatpost.com/russia-ransomware-payouts-avoid-sanctions/178854/

03:00 TR Bot; May Use Ransomware Payouts to Avoid Sanctions | Threatpost

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05:58 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing

05:58 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index

05:58 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Thursday, March 17, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

05:58 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives

6 AM, March 18

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06:02 TR News; "The tool (and service) to configure and enforce resource limits is the rctl(8) command and the /etc/rc.d/rctl service. The service(8) itself is very simple and just applies resource limits that are configured in the rctl.conf(5) file which is located in /etc/rctl.conf." https://klarasystems.com/articles/controlling-resource-limits-with-rctl-in-freebsd/

06:02 TR Bot; Controlling Resource Limits with rctl in FreeBSD | Klara Inc.

06:02 TR News; "A previous series of articles followed the restoration of a SPARCstation IPX, noting how Sun UNIX workstations were a much-coveted object of geek desire" https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/restoring-a-tadpole-sparcbook-3-part-1-introduction

06:02 Alternative link; Cloudflare: rs-online.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rs-online.com/designspark/restoring-a-tadpole-sparcbook-3-part-1-introduction

06:03 TR Bot; Restoring a Tadpole SPARCbook 3 Part 1: Introduction

06:03 TR News; "Would you like to use Sequoia sq from your script?" https://sequoia-pgp.org/blog/2022/03/02/202203-sq-json-1/

06:03 TR Bot; Blog - sq JSON: first sketch

06:04 TR News; He recognized his very unique fact patterns, Marc Hankin, Berkovitzs attorney, said in an interview with The Washington Post. He found what he believes to be evidence that one or more students were seeking and receiving help actually during the exams last spring. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/03/17/chapman-university-professor-lawsuit-copyright-cheating/

06:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/03/17/chapman-university-professor-lawsuit-copyright-cheating/

06:04 TR Bot; Chapman University professor David Berkovitz suing students for copyright infringement after finding test questions on Course Hero - The Washington Post

06:05 TR News; Ubuntu revamp its logo after 12 years Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162686

06:05 TR Bot; Ubuntu revamp its logo after 12 years | Tux Machines

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06:06 TR News; "Now, heres the caveat. This integration is very much in the early stages of development. Ive kicked the tires and found it to be far from ready for production environments." https://www.techrepublic.com/article/nextcloud-gains-rocket-chat-support-further-elevate-platform-business-heights/

06:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/nextcloud-gains-rocket-chat-support-further-elevate-platform-business-heights/

06:06 TR Bot; gains Rocket.chat support to further elevate the platform into business heights | TechRepublic

06:07 TR News; "In delivering his judgement on Thursday afternoon, Justice Robert Beech-Jones declared the results in the three council areas void." https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-17/ivote-revote-ordered-supreme-court-judgement/100917050

06:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: abc.net.au | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-17/ivote-revote-ordered-supreme-court-judgement/100917050

06:07 TR Bot; Supreme Court orders re-vote after iVote crash in NSW local government elections - ABC News

06:07 TR News; Proprietary software https://www.innovationaus.com/three-nsw-council-election-results-scrapped-due-to-digital-voting-issues/

06:07 TR Bot; Three NSW council election results scrapped due to digital voting issues

06:10 TR News; Openwashing. "The Graph Foundation agreed [PDF] it would no longer claim specific versions of ONgDB, its Neo4j Enterprise Edition fork, are a "100 percent free and open" https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/court_open_source/

06:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/court_open_source/

06:10 TR Bot; Court says non-open 'open source' code is false advertising The Register

06:11 TR News; "The feature is powered by Azure Cognitive Services and is available for Edge users on Windows, Linux, and Mac. Android and iOS aren't included, at least for the time being." https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-edge-can-now-auto-generate-image-descriptions-improving-accessibility

06:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-edge-can-now-auto-generate-image-descriptions-improving-accessibility

06:11 TR Bot; Microsoft Edge can now auto-generate image descriptions, improving accessibility | Windows Central

06:12 TR News; "Why it matters: Facial recognition systems solve thorny identification problems for government agencies and businesses, but they also raise concerns over bias and privacy, particularly since the U.S. lacks strong data regulations." https://www.axios.com/facial-recognition-staying-power-government-irs-10701d9f-3553-43c2-a55e-d064625c1970.html

06:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: axios.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.axios.com/facial-recognition-staying-power-government-irs-10701d9f-3553-43c2-a55e-d064625c1970.html

06:12 TR Bot; Face recognition's staying power

06:12 TR News; "In the hearing, MEPs and guest speakers will discuss the current state of GDPR implementation and enforcement in three thematic panels." https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220309IPR25177/hearing-gdpr-implementation-enforcement-and-lessons-learned

06:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: europa.eu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220309IPR25177/hearing-gdpr-implementation-enforcement-and-lessons-learned

06:12 TR Bot; Hearing: GDPR implementation, enforcement and lessons learned | News | European Parliament

06:13 TR News; "35 civil society organisations, including European Digital Rights (EDRi), the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), the German Bar Association and the Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ)" https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/mass-surveillance-and-attack-on-encryption-civil-society-protests-against-eu-chat-control-plans/

06:13 TR Bot; Mass surveillance and attack on encryption: Civil society protests against EU chat control plans Patrick Breyer

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06:24 darwin; why does Mozilla have to lie about the term 'refresh Firefox,' (and previously probably 'refresh Thunderbird') when that's not what it means, but that it's going to erase user's entire profile? Often (since most not technically-inclined) it took them extreme difficulty or they had a technician friend setup, then what Mozilla lies about wastes all those people's time...

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06:27 CrystalMath; there's an interesting paradox there

06:27 CrystalMath; the programs that have a builtin option to clear the entire configuration are always the ones that need it the least

06:31 matey; mozilla needs to refresh the entire organisation

06:31 matey; i think google set a $upercookie

06:31 matey; but thats no surprise-- google invented the supercookie

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06:44 TR News; Lies from Russian media https://thehill.com/policy/international/russia/598707-national-guard-refutes-russian-state-media-claims-that-tennessee

06:44 TR Bot; Guard refutes Russian media claims that Tennessee guardsmen killed in Ukraine | TheHill

06:45 TR News; "information-war" https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/17/countering-russian-propaganda-efforts-ukraine/

06:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/17/countering-russian-propaganda-efforts-ukraine/

06:45 TR Bot; The many ways people counter Russian propaganda - The Washington Post

06:45 TR News; https://www.wired.com/story/ukraine-digital-ministry-war/

06:45 TR Bot; Digital Ministry Is a Formidable War Machine | WIRED

06:45 TR News; state in a smartphone https://www.wired.com/story/ukraine-digital-ministry-war/

06:46 TR News; What next? Doxing? https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/19/russian-propagandists-turn-on-pro-western-traitors

06:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: economist.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/03/19/russian-propagandists-turn-on-pro-western-traitors

06:46 TR Bot; propagandists turn on pro-Western traitors | The Economist

06:46 TR News; "the information that was being spread wasn't true, and that anyone who witnesses any conflicts should immediately contact the police." https://news.err.ee/1608534097/raadio-4-editor-in-short-russian-language-media-landscape-is-in-chaos

06:47 TR Bot; Raadio 4 editor: In short, Russian-language media landscape is in chaos | News | ERR

06:47 TR News; "Volodymr Zelensky appears behind a podium, telling Ukrainians to put down their weapons." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-60780142

06:47 TR Bot; Deepfake presidents used in Russia-Ukraine war - BBC News

06:48 TR News; "Conspiracy theories first surface in the right-wing swamplands and spread through social media channels." https://www.salon.com/2022/03/17/putins-invasion-of-ukraine-exposes-the-fox-news-qanon-feedback-loop/

06:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: salon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.salon.com/2022/03/17/putins-invasion-of-ukraine-exposes-the-fox-news-qanon-feedback-loop/

06:48 TR Bot; invasion of Ukraine exposes the Fox News-QAnon feedback loop | Salon.com

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06:48 TR News; "None of this rhetoric is new. For years, the Kremlin has discussed creating a domestic Russian internet" https://medium.com/dfrlab/russias-domestic-internet-talk-isn-t-new-but-it-s-ramping-up-a1fe8c24779

06:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medium.com/dfrlab/russias-domestic-internet-talk-isn-t-new-but-it-s-ramping-up-a1fe8c24779

06:48 TR Bot; domestic internet talk isnt new but its ramping up | by @DFRLab | DFRLab | Mar, 2022 | Medium

06:49 TR News; Sanctions that backfire https://www.vice.com/en/article/epx8bw/russia-tiktok-censorship

06:49 TR Bot; TikToks Censorship in Russia Is Giving Putin Exactly What He Wants

06:50 TR News; "As has been reported, former US president Barack Obama's administration considered whether it could bring criminal charges against Assange and WikiLeaks for publishing classified information." https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/australian-politicians-must-act-to-save-assange-before-it-is-too-late.html

06:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis-sp-481/open-sauce/australian-politicians-must-act-to-save-assange-before-it-is-too-late.html

06:50 TR Bot; - Australian politicians must act to save Assange before it is too late

06:51 TR News; Social control media https://metro.co.uk/2022/03/11/tiktok-star-allegedly-shot-dead-by-brother-in-honour-killing-16256393/

06:51 TR Bot; TikTok star allegedly shot dead by brother in honour killing | Metro News

06:53 TR News; "manufacturers restrict access to the software tools needed to repair broken tractors" https://uspirg.org/feature/usp/deere-headlights Digital Restrictions (DRM)

06:54 TR Bot; Deere in the Headlights | U.S. PIRG

06:54 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM) like these should be avoided from the start. Owns what you buy, stop renting. https://www.theverge.com/22983315/netflix-password-account-sharing-test-streaming

06:54 TR Bot; Why Netflix is starting to crack down on password sharing - The Verge

06:54 TR News; Digital Restriction (DRM) shows its true cost ttps://text.npr.org/1087133199

06:54 TR News; Copyrights suppressing music creation. No winder music got so bad... https://variety.com/2022/music/news/dua-lipa-levitating-lawsuits-explained-1235204715/

06:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/music/news/dua-lipa-levitating-lawsuits-explained-1235204715/

06:54 TR Bot; Lipa 'Levitating' Lawsuits Explained: Musicologists Weigh In - Variety

06:55 TR News; "The music industry, in little more than 20 years, has gone through two technological shocks linked to digitization" https://techxplore.com/news/2022-03-firms-music.html

06:55 TR Bot; An information shock is needed to make firms understand that music is changing

7 AM, March 18

07:01 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 33.71 average k/sec., average swarm size 278.50

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07:06 TR News; Hosted by Microsoft GitHub = HUGE mistake. https://krebsonsecurity.com/2022/03/pro-ukraine-protestware-pushes-antiwar-ads-geo-targeted-malware/

07:06 TR Bot; Pro-Ukraine Protestware Pushes Antiwar Ads, Geo-Targeted Malware Krebs on Security

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07:08 TR News; "HB 389 was introduced by Rep. David Eastman (R-Mat-Su) and is co-sponsored by Rep. Ronald Gilham (R-Kenai/Soldotna)." https://papersplease.org/wp/2022/03/17/alaska-may-end-its-compliance-with-the-real-id-act/

07:08 TR Bot; Alaska may end its compliance with the REAL-ID Act Papers, Please!

07:09 TR News; Teaching real computing to people https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/research-report-teaching-programming/

07:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: raspberrypi.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/research-report-teaching-programming/

07:09 TR Bot; 170 research papers about teaching programming, summarised - Raspberry Pi

07:10 TR News; Corrupt WIPO thinks it 'owns' the Internet https://torrentfreak.com/wipos-pirate-site-blocklist-expands-to-4042-active-domain-names-220317 see http://techrights.org/wiki/WIPO

07:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/wipos-pirate-site-blocklist-expands-to-4042-active-domain-names-220317

07:10 TR Bot; Pirate Site Blocklist Expands to 4,042 Active Domain Names * TorrentFreak

07:10 TR Bot; WIPO - Techrights

07:10 TR News; 'Ringleaders'? Sounds like a suitable name for the copyright cartel's leaders. https://torrentfreak.com/two-more-ringleaders-of-torrent-site-asgaard-sentenced-in-denmark-220317/

07:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/two-more-ringleaders-of-torrent-site-asgaard-sentenced-in-denmark-220317/

07:10 TR Bot; More 'Ringleaders' of Torrent Site 'Asgaard' Sentenced in Denmark * TorrentFreak

07:14 TR News; UK: Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Nearly 2 Months, Over 20,000,000 Infections http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/18/over-20000000-uk-infections/

07:14 TR Bot; Blog Archive UK: Highest Number of COVID-19 Hospitalisations in Nearly 2 Months, Over 20,000,000 Infections

07:15 TR News; "For years, Chinese American dissidents in New York have suspected that Chinas powerful and ubiquitous intelligence services had infiltrated their ranks and were tracking their every move." https://www.propublica.org/article/doj-charges-defendants-with-harassing-and-spying-on-chinese-americans-for-beijing

07:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.propublica.org/article/doj-charges-defendants-with-harassing-and-spying-on-chinese-americans-for-beijing

07:15 TR Bot; DOJ Charges Defendants With Harassing and Spying On Chinese Americans for Beijing ProPublica

07:16 TR News; "social media influencers" = spammers https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/other-people-clothes-calla-henkel/

07:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/culture/other-people-clothes-calla-henkel/

07:16 TR Bot; Can a Thriller Capture the Feeling of Being Watched? | The Nation

07:18 kingoffrance; "why does Mozilla have to lie about the term 'refresh Firefox,' (and previously probably 'refresh Thunderbird') when that's not what it means, but that it's going to erase user's entire profile?" that sounds like they got infected by the microsoft reboot/reinstall

07:18 kingoffrance; it corrupts itself every x period, needs to be reborn periodically lol

07:18 kingoffrance; move fast and break things

07:19 matey; well it breaks things

07:19 matey; i dont think anyone can accuse mozilla anything of "moving fast"

07:19 kingoffrance; lol

07:19 kingoffrance; lee too. the tree of mozilla must be refreshed with the blood of users

07:20 matey; /me snrks

07:20 kingoffrance; it seems to be going around anyways lol

07:20 TR News; Cracking Down on Russian Oligarchs Means Cracking Down on U.S. Tax Havens https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/17/cracking-down-on-russian-oligarchs-means-cracking-down-on-u-s-tax-havens/

07:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/17/cracking-down-on-russian-oligarchs-means-cracking-down-on-u-s-tax-havens/

07:20 matey; usually i lol, that was my first snrk online since the 1990s

07:20 TR Bot; Down on Russian Oligarchs Means Cracking Down on U.S. Tax Havens - CounterPunch.org

07:20 matey; it was a real one

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07:21 matey; the tree of mozilla should be chopped down and used as mozilla firewood

07:23 kingoffrance; if (from day or two ago) the w3c online validator disappeared...then how does anyone know they are writing standard html/css/etc. ?

07:24 kingoffrance; there is/was command-line programs i believe

07:24 kingoffrance; are they still maintained?

07:24 kingoffrance; that seems like a big story

07:25 matey; in all the years that thing has existed i thought it was a farce

07:25 kingoffrance; how so? that companies just make their "extensions" anyways and ignore it?

07:25 kingoffrance; or that noone validates 100%?

07:26 matey; probably more the latter

07:26 matey; but also the whole idea that it could be so convoluted, that people would get bragging rights just for a page that "officially" worked

07:27 matey; and most of all

07:27 matey; if a tag wasnt supported... it didnt do anything. big deal! thats whats cool about html

07:27 matey; so lets say you have a browser that only supports anchor tags

07:28 matey; okay, you dont need a fancy official thing to tell you if your anchor tags are written properly

07:28 matey; i mean lets take this outside of html for a minute

07:28 matey; imagine getting an openoffice document-- theyre entirely made of xml

07:28 TR News; Boycott Amazon https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-pans-jeff-bezos-as-amazon-workers-walk-out-over-low-pay/ https://fair.org/home/communities-should-not-pay-amazon-it-should-be-the-other-way-around/

07:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-pans-jeff-bezos-as-amazon-workers-walk-out-over-low-pay/

07:28 TR Bot; Sanders Pans Jeff Bezos as Amazon Workers Walk Out Over Low Pay

07:29 TR Bot; 'Communities Should Not Pay Amazon. It Should Be the Other Way Around.' - FAIR

07:29 matey; imagine if every openoffice document had a little badge at the bottom that said 100% valid odt!

07:29 matey; thats ridiculous. thats how i felt every time i saw a website with one of those badges

07:29 matey; without the badges i doubt id have found the validator so ridiculous

07:30 TR News; The underlying PLATFORM is NOT trustworthy. "In 2021, we announced three new Tor Board Members: Alissa Cooper, Desigan Chinniah, and Kendra Albert. We shared our plans to build a VPN like service to help mobile users connect their apps through Tor, starting with Android" https://blog.torproject.org/tor-media-2021/

07:30 TR Bot; Tor in the News, 2021 | The Tor Project

07:30 matey; the web is a complete mess anyway, the badges didnt work, it was a fad

07:30 kingoffrance; yeah, its back to user agent sniffing aka "best viewed in " badges

07:30 matey; we have that anyway

07:30 kingoffrance; covert badges, but same thing

07:30 matey; i mean tor browser pretends its from another os, why not

07:31 matey; if the badges did their job, they might make sense. first they made everything standard

07:31 matey; then they made the standard hopelessly bloated

07:31 matey; now the standard is meaningless and next to useless

07:32 matey; no gemini validator-- not needed

07:32 matey; /me considers putting 100% valid plaintext at the bottom of every text file

07:33 matey; no gemini validator <- i should hasten to add no OFFICIAL validator

07:33 TR News; Starbucks attacks society. Stop paying it anything. https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-brought-former-ceo-howard-schultz-back-to-union-bust-workers-say/

07:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-brought-former-ceo-howard-schultz-back-to-union-bust-workers-say/

07:33 TR Bot; Starbucks Brought Former CEO Howard Schultz Back to Union Bust, Workers Say

07:33 matey; theres probably a dozen, its a good joke

07:34 matey; kingoffrance: html was always destined to be calvinball. what are the OFFICIAL rules of calvinball?

07:34 kingoffrance; id have to look up that word

07:35 matey; you dont know calvin and hobbes?

07:35 TR News; DRM giant https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/john-deere-has-9-lawsuits-against-them:4

07:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: odysee.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/john-deere-has-9-lawsuits-against-them:4

07:35 TR Bot; John Deere has 9 lawsuits against them: farmers see blood in the water

07:35 matey; its basically you in newspaper comic form

07:35 kingoffrance; Calvin remarks, "Sooner or later, all our games turn into Calvinball,"

07:35 matey; hobbes is the tiger

07:36 matey; hes actually a stuffed toy but we see him more often through the mind of calvin

07:36 TR News; "enemies of all humor" http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-techrights-160322.html#tMar%2016%2021:18:48

07:36 TR Bot; IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, March 16, 2022

07:36 TR News; Julian Assange Denied Permission to Appeal US Extradition Decision at Supreme Court - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/03/15/1447213

07:36 TR Bot; Julian Assange Denied Permission to Appeal US Extradition Decision at Supreme Court - SoylentNews

07:40 kingoffrance; lol im perfectly stable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula im just old school http://dict.org/bin/Dict?Form=Dict2&Database=devil&Query=cat indestructible

07:40 TR Bot; Cat's Eye Nebula - Wikipedia

07:40 TR Bot; cat

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07:43 TR News; Maybe time to boycott Netflix and use some real service, which lets you keep what you paid for? https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/17/netflix-starts-cracking-down-harder-on-password-sharing/

07:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/17/netflix-starts-cracking-down-harder-on-password-sharing/

07:43 TR Bot; Starts Cracking Down Harder On Password Sharing | Techdirt

07:46 TR News; Spy cities. IMHO, they should prosecute people and corporations that push this agenda. https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/drawing-the-line-are-smart-cities-compatible-with-human-rights-and-privacy/

07:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: privateinternetaccess.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/drawing-the-line-are-smart-cities-compatible-with-human-rights-and-privacy/

07:46 TR Bot; Drawing the Line: Are Smart Cities Compatible with Human Rights and Privacy?

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07:47 TR News; Worse and most expensive? https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/17/no-u-s-broadband-isnt-miraculously-getting-cheaper/

07:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/17/no-u-s-broadband-isnt-miraculously-getting-cheaper/

07:47 TR Bot; U.S. Broadband Isnt Miraculously Getting Cheaper | Techdirt

07:50 TR News; "The EU police agency has completely restructured its information systems. German authorities are by far the main users for storage and query. Through a parliamentary question, the successor of Palantir software at Europol is now known." https://digit.site36.net/2022/03/17/information-systems-at-europol-fishing-the-data-lake-with-a-new-dragnet/

07:50 TR Bot; Information systems at Europol: Fishing the data lake with a new dragnet Matthias Monroy

07:52 kingoffrance; matey, only formalism can overcome formalism, rule of alchemy :)

07:53 matey; and only simplicity can overcome bloated nonsense

07:54 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, March 17, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/irc-log-170322/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/18/irc-log-170322/

07:54 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Thursday, March 17, 2022 | Techrights

07:54 matey; validation badges on websites were like fining rocks for sliding down a mountain

07:54 matey; and here we are

07:56 TR News; " The excuse for this attack on basic human rights is the same one we have seen used repeatedly in the U.S. over the last few years: crimes against children. This is the same excuse that sponsors of the anti-encryption EARN IT Act used in 2020, and again earlier this year." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/eff-tells-eu-commission-dont-break-encryption

07:56 TR Bot; EFF Tells E.U. Commission: Don't Break Encryption | Electronic Frontier Foundation

07:58 TR News; "The various for the children moral panic bills about the internet are getting dumber." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/17/minnesota-pushing-bill-that-says-websites-can-no-longer-be-useful-for-teenagers/

07:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/17/minnesota-pushing-bill-that-says-websites-can-no-longer-be-useful-for-teenagers/

07:58 TR Bot; Pushing Bill That Says Websites Can No Longer Be Useful For Teenagers | Techdirt

8 AM, March 18

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08:01 TR News; "Ridiculous, unhinged, anti-internet legislation is a bipartisan affair." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/17/california-legislators-introduce-bill-to-blame-internet-companies-for-kids-liking-their-products/

08:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/17/california-legislators-introduce-bill-to-blame-internet-companies-for-kids-liking-their-products/

08:01 TR Bot; Legislators Introduce Bill To Blame Internet Companies For Kids Liking Their Products | Techdirt

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08:10 TR News; Linux Candy: Emote - modern popup emoji picker Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162687

08:10 TR Bot; Linux Candy: Emote - modern popup emoji picker | Tux Machines

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08:23 TR News; "Please pull the following updates for 5.18-rc1. Since 5.17, there have been a few important changes to the RNG's crypto, but the intent for 5.18 has been to shore up the existing design as much as possible with modern cryptographic functions and proven constructions" https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220317232804.931702-1-Jason@zx2c4.com/

08:23 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] random number generator updates for 5.18-rc1 - Jason A. Donenfeld

08:25 TR News; Gammath SPOT version 2.5 (beta) released on 17 March 2022 https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Gammath_SPOT https://pypi.org/project/gammath-spot/2.5/

08:25 TR Bot; Gammath SPOT - Free Software Directory

08:25 TR Bot; gammath-spot PyPI

08:25 TR News; FreeBSD 13.1-BETA2 Now Available Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162688

08:25 TR Bot; FreeBSD 13.1-BETA2 Now Available | Tux Machines

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08:29 kingoffrance; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IUj1EZwpJY someone linked that in another channel...

08:29 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=5IUj1EZwpJY

08:29 TR Bot; yewtu.be | The Only Unbreakable Law - Invidious

08:30 kingoffrance; i mean, it seems people are either "all in" or "all out"

08:30 kingoffrance; he was the guy who also did https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZRE7HIO3vk

08:30 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=kZRE7HIO3vk

08:30 TR Bot; yewtu.be | The Thirty Million Line Problem - Invidious

08:32 kingoffrance; none of that is directly web related ... but if you beileve "the law" it all affects it

08:32 kingoffrance; TLDR: hardware complexities (or interfaces) will manifest on top

08:32 kingoffrance; it is actually quite interesting: linux/bsd/etc. is fragmented? try hardware

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08:35 matey; patents make everything nice and complicated

08:36 matey; then we have standards as a bandage on top of those (im not implying that standards serve no other purpose)

08:36 schestowitz-TR; profitable for some

08:36 matey; but its like walking around on two severely wounded legs

08:37 matey; at least theyre bandaged

08:37 matey; the whole thing is nuts

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08:48 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162689

08:48 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

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08:54 IPFS; 278.56

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09:19 kingoffrance; the 2nd part of first video is great ...5 volume controls lol

09:29 kingoffrance; 47:00 explains so many things...

10 AM, March 18

10:31 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162690

10:31 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

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10:52 TR News; "The addons.mozilla.org (AMO) external API has offered add-on developers the ability to submit new add-on versions for signing for a number of years, in addition to being available to get data about published add-ons directly or internally inside Firefox." https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/03/17/new-api-for-submitting-and-updating-add-ons/

10:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2022/03/17/new-api-for-submitting-and-updating-add-ons/

10:52 TR Bot; A new API for submitting and updating add-ons | Mozilla Add-ons Community Blog

11 AM, March 18

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12:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 49.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 33.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 278.61

12:24 TR News; These are also a privacy problem https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/why-vaccine-cards-are-so-easily-forged.html

12:24 TR Bot; Vaccine Cards Are So Easily Forged - Schneier on Security

12:26 TR News; "Russia is continuing to wield internet disruptions as part of its escalating attacks on Ukraine." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/

12:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/

12:26 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Ukraine-Russia conflict - Access Now

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12:30 bnchs; so i woke up

12:30 bnchs; to a malicious npm package

12:30 bnchs; that was updated to corrupt files if the user was in russia

12:30 bnchs; or beluras

12:30 bnchs; belarus*

12:30 bnchs; node-ipc > peacenotwar

12:31 schestowitz-TR; npm is full of it

12:31 schestowitz-TR; that's Microsoft

12:31 schestowitz-TR; we need to say Microsoft NPM

12:31 schestowitz-TR; I heard they were forced to sell to Microsoft

12:31 schestowitz-TR; due to their financial condition

12:31 schestowitz-TR; and now the NSA gets to control a lot of JS "supply chain"

12:32 bnchs; https://github.com/RIAEvangelist/peacenotwar

12:32 TR Bot; - RIAEvangelist/peacenotwar

12:32 bnchs; "This code serves as a non-destructive example of why controlling your node modules is important. It also serves as a non-violent protest against Russia's aggression that threatens the world right now. This module will add a message of peace on your users' desktops, and it will only do it if it does not already exist just to be polite."

12:32 bnchs; wow okay

12:32 bnchs; this is why i don't use nodejs

12:32 SomeH4x0r; bnchs: if their IP was. Proxies.

12:32 bnchs; this is like that loveletter VBS macro

12:32 SomeH4x0r; at least it does not spread

12:33 bnchs; no it does

12:33 SomeH4x0r; I mean, from infected computers

12:33 bnchs; through dependencies

12:33 bnchs; vue.js users are affected because vue.js depends on node-ipc

12:33 bnchs; node-ipc depends on "peacenotwar"

12:34 schestowitz-TR; lol, what a cluster fsck

12:34 TR News; Games: Black Geyser, REAVER, Steam Deck, Star Traders: Frontiers, GOG Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162691

12:34 TR Bot; Games: Black Geyser, REAVER, Steam Deck, Star Traders: Frontiers, GOG | Tux Machines

12:34 bnchs; of course this is why i don't wanna touch nodejs with a 10 kilometer pole

12:34 SomeH4x0r; NO FUCK OFF WITH YOUR DIGITAL DISTRIBUTION

12:34 schestowitz-TR; "hey, Microsoft, what do you do all day?"

12:35 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft: "certainly NOT reviewing what we distribute"

12:35 SomeH4x0r; They offended me when they banned Russia and Belarus already

12:35 bnchs; also yes

12:35 SomeH4x0r; they don't care whom they cancel

12:35 bnchs; this module assumes that you have windows

12:35 SomeH4x0r; they just follow directions

12:35 schestowitz-TR; SomeH4x0r: tehe opposition in Russia

12:35 bnchs; "var Desktops = `${homedir}/Desktop/`; var OneDrive = `${homedir}/OneDrive/`; var OneDriveDesktops = `${homedir}/OneDrive/Desktop/`;"

12:36 schestowitz-TR; I'm sure driving Putin's opposition to starvation and poverty will help

12:36 schestowitz-TR; Putin is not starving

12:36 schestowitz-TR; [21:18] <techrights-news> SFC sounds like it is joining anti-Free software trolls now https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2022/mar/17/copyleft-ethical-source-putin-ukraine/

12:36 TR Bot; Copyleft Won't Solve All Problems, Just Some of Them - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy

12:36 bnchs; this is what happens when you abstract away software freedoms

12:36 schestowitz-TR; so now team "cancel RMS" is saying we should do more bans

12:37 schestowitz-TR; to appease a bunch of trolls

12:37 schestowitz-TR; they are not standing for ethics

12:37 schestowitz-TR; but for control

12:37 bnchs; it places a WITH-LOVE-FROM-AMERICA.txt in your desktop, onedrive and onedrive's desktop

12:38 bnchs; with NO OS CHECK, to see if it's actually windows

12:38 bnchs; just places the file to onedrive automatically

12:38 schestowitz-TR; 'one'drive=NSA

12:39 bnchs; there's warnings from everyone telling developers not to join the "cyberwar"

12:39 bnchs; they don't listen, all they do is ruin their reputation

12:40 kingoffrance; they want a world war

12:40 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO: "Emotet is malware that infects computers by hiding in malicious emails. The malware is hidden in Microsoft Word and Excel files." https://www.maketecheasier.com/emotet-malware-emails-irs/

12:40 TR Bot; Emotet Malware Sending Emails Disguised as IRS - Make Tech Easier

12:40 bnchs; https://snyk.io/blog/peacenotwar-malicious-npm-node-ipc-package-vulnerability/

12:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: snyk.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://snyk.io/blog/peacenotwar-malicious-npm-node-ipc-package-vulnerability/

12:40 TR Bot; Alert: peacenotwar module sabotages npm developers in the node-ipc package to protest the invasion of Ukraine | Snyk

12:41 bnchs; the node-ipc developer wrote obsfucated code in their module that overwrites all the files in the computer with a heart emoji if the geolocation of the network interface currently used returns russia

12:41 bnchs; "obsfucated" as in encoded in base64

12:41 bnchs; npm developers turned into malware devs

12:42 schestowitz-TR; haha, well...

12:43 schestowitz-TR; they work for a malware company

12:43 schestowitz-TR; microsoft

12:43 schestowitz-TR; but worry not

12:43 schestowitz-TR; the media will place blame

12:43 schestowitz-TR; it will blame "LINUX"... for GETTING malware... from Microsoft

12:43 bnchs; of course this didn't help the war at all

12:43 bnchs; it only ruined the developer's reputation

12:43 schestowitz-TR; it will blame "Software"... for GETTING deps... from Microsoft

12:43 bnchs; and the package's reputation

12:43 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft will then SAVE THE DAY

12:43 bnchs; now they say "node-ipc is a malicious package."

12:43 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft will later REMOVE the malwarew!!

12:43 SomeH4x0r; *devilopers

12:43 schestowitz-TR; "Thank you, Microsoft!"

12:44 bnchs; i bet vue.js is planning to make their own node-ipc

12:44 bnchs; because this dev is obviously unstable

12:44 schestowitz-TR; veryStableGenius();

12:45 bnchs; programmers sabotaging russians will only get their program classified as malware

12:45 bnchs; have fun spending years getting back your reputation

12:45 TR News; Its not over until its over: sanctions must stop Telenors sale to the Myanmar military - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/sanctions-telenor-sale-to-myanmar-military/

12:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/sanctions-telenor-sale-to-myanmar-military/

12:45 TR Bot; Its not over until its over: sanctions must stop Telenors sale to the Myanmar military - Access Now

12:50 bnchs; it's actually quite funny now

12:51 bnchs; the developer (Brandon Nozaki Miller/RIAEvangelist) went on full-damage control mode

12:51 bnchs; after CVS documented his shit

12:51 bnchs; CVE*

12:53 bnchs; https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2022-23812

12:53 TR Bot; NO TITLE

12:53 bnchs; https://github.com/RIAEvangelist/node-ipc/issues/233

12:53 TR Bot; Issue #233 RIAEvangelist/node-ipc GitHub

12:53 bnchs; https://github.com/RIAEvangelist/node-ipc/issues/236

12:53 TR Bot; package should never try to do unrelated things. Issue #236 RIAEvangelist/node-ipc GitHub

12:53 bnchs; absolutely blasted by the community

1 PM, March 18

13:01 TR News; Hardly a real community. Commandeered largely by Microsoft by proxy. https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/18/nodejs-community-update

13:01 TR Bot; Node.js community update | Red Hat Developer

13:02 TR News; #HowTo beautify your Java applications | https://opensource.com/article/22/3/beautify-java-applications

13:02 TR Bot; to beautify your Java applications | Opensource.com

13:03 TR News; The criminals from Microsoft are still at it https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-faces-eu-antitrust-complaint-about-its-cloud-computing-business-2022-03-17/ taking advantage of a lack of law enforcement http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/

13:03 TR Bot; faces EU antitrust complaint about its cloud computing business | Reuters

13:03 TR Bot; EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights

13:04 kingoffrance; " Minnesota Pushing Bill That Says Websites Can No Longer Be Useful For Teenagers" i find it interesting, where was this imaginary period the web was considered useful? it was dragged kicking and screaming, same way wikipedia was not "real"

13:04 bnchs; lol

13:05 bnchs; websites can no longer be useful for teenagers

13:05 bnchs; i wonder who ruined that

13:05 TR News; Microsoft crap creeping into Mesa at a level others than DX https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15439

13:05 TR News; Microsoft crap creeping into Mesa at a level other than DX https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/merge_requests/15439

13:05 TR Bot; Adding rusticl (!15439) Merge requests Mesa / mesa GitLab

13:05 bnchs; it's definitely not social media nahhh thats good

13:05 TR News; Enrico Zini: Context-dependent logger in Python http://www.enricozini.org/blog/2022/python/context-dependent-logger-in-python

13:05 TR Bot; Context-dependent logger in Python

13:08 TR News; LOLIN C3 Mini ESP32-C3 board is compatible with Wemos D1 Mini shields - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/18/lolin-c3-mini-esp32-c3-board-compatible-wemos-d1-shields/

13:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/18/lolin-c3-mini-esp32-c3-board-compatible-wemos-d1-shields/

13:08 TR Bot; LOLIN C3 Mini ESP32-C3 board is compatible with Wemos D1 Mini shields - CNX Software

13:09 TR News; 1.51-inch transparent OLED display works over GDI or SPI interface - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/18/1-51-inch-transparent-oled-display-works-over-gdi-or-spi-interface/

13:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/18/1-51-inch-transparent-oled-display-works-over-gdi-or-spi-interface/

13:09 TR Bot; 1.51-inch transparent OLED display works over GDI or SPI interface - CNX Software

13:09 kingoffrance; well as messed up as the web is....the alternative was aol, walled gardens. thats kind of what i mean, that crowd was never pushing "the web" in the first place.

13:13 TR News; "Driving away from the police, and quite drunk, she decided to come off a dirt-track and escape into a field. This didn't work, as the police just drove into the field after her, and cornered her car." gemini://malinfreeborn.com/gen/legend2.gmi

13:14 TR News; What do you self host? gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-18-re-what-do-you-self-host-.gmi

13:15 kingoffrance; were it a few years earlier, facebook might well be called e-yearbook .

13:15 TR News; "I feel like those people demonstrating against COVID19 measures here in Switzerland. I think they are wrong, but it's their right to disagree. Sadly, Nazis are joining all activities that promote distrust in the state, and so we have demonstrations for this and that" gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-03-18_Self-proclaimed_association_and_the_pain_it_brings

13:17 TR News; Six capsules short of 2,250 gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi

13:30 kingoffrance; maybe the takeaway is: social media platform with more than 1,000,000 account holders operating in Minnesota is prohibited from using a social media algorithm to target user-created content at an account holder under the age of 18.

13:31 kingoffrance; adults are fair game to be brainwashed

13:31 kingoffrance; that will be "legal"

13:31 bnchs; brandon miller is gonna get his ass shredded

13:31 bnchs; in jail

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13:41 immibis; that sounds way too broad

13:42 immibis; maybe it's necessary, but hopefully not

13:42 immibis; you want platforms to be allowed to show soccer content to people who like other soccer content

13:44 kingoffrance; eh, im not advocating anything. im just failing to see where "morals" fit in

13:44 kingoffrance; one day you are magically old enough to be a target

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13:45 kingoffrance; re: few days ago ""therefore, there is no such thing as a design group which is both organized and unbiased""

13:45 kingoffrance; re: whether anon or transparent "peers" produce better research/papers

13:45 kingoffrance; s/better/less biased/

13:46 kingoffrance; conway says there is no less biased :D

13:47 TR News; Proprietary Software, Openwashing, and Microsoft Monopoly Abuse Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162692

13:47 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162693

13:47 TR News; Internet/Web: TinyCP, Firefox, and Tor Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162694

13:48 TR Bot; Proprietary Software, Openwashing, and Microsoft Monopoly Abuse | Tux Machines

13:48 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

13:48 TR Bot; Internet/Web: TinyCP, Firefox, and Tor | Tux Machines

13:50 kingoffrance; Exceptions. User-created content that is created by a federal, state, or local government or by a public or private school, college, or university is exempt from this section.

13:50 kingoffrance; its really just a rules for thee and not for me card

13:50 TR News; Links 18/3/2022: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 2 and Openwashing Goes to Court | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/freebsd-13-1-beta-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/18/freebsd-13-1-beta-2/

13:50 TR Bot; Links 18/3/2022: FreeBSD 13.1 Beta 2 and Openwashing Goes to Court | Techrights

13:50 kingoffrance; it you PPP you are fine.

13:50 kingoffrance; non-PPP will be slaughtered

13:50 TR News; todays hardware leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162695

13:50 TR Bot; today's hardware leftovers | Tux Machines

13:51 bnchs; kingoffrance, oh wow

13:51 bnchs; so basically a echo chamber for government

13:51 bnchs; and schools

13:52 kingoffrance; yes, nothing new :D

13:52 bnchs; yes i would definitely like this

13:52 kingoffrance; lol

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13:58 kingoffrance; it seems a lot like the carnegie unit "in the future, a merit-based system may be considered" (paraphrase wikipedia)

13:58 kingoffrance; they just dont want non-approved actors influencing children

2 PM, March 18

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14:21 bnchs; kingoffrance, so turn everything into a echo chamber only for the gov and schools

14:22 kingoffrance; which high-paying jobs will depend on

14:22 kingoffrance; is why i say "slaughter"

14:24 mimorek; kingoffrance: I just watched "The Only Unbreakable Law". I can now sort of forgive myself for having such a hard time understanding software. ;)

14:25 bnchs; forgiving yourself?

14:26 mimorek; Yes. I think so.

14:34 bnchs; i think the problem with github copilot isn't just GPL

14:35 bnchs; it's also source code licensed under non-commerical license (examples: snes9x, genesis plus GX, valve's source SDK)

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14:54 immibis; bnchs: how would you approach the problem?

14:55 bnchs; license filter

14:55 SomeH4x0r; what did I miss?

14:55 SomeH4x0r; what problem, I mean

14:56 bnchs; github copilot and github projects with non-commerical license

3 PM, March 18

15:04 *x_ is now known as kingoffrance

15:04 immibis; bnchs: the social control media problem

15:04 bnchs; oh

15:04 bnchs; immibis, explain the problem?

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15:12 immibis; bnchs: bad people put fake news on social media. Dumb people believe it and then commit a fascism

15:13 bnchs; no fix for that

15:13 immibis; so just give up and accept the fascist insurrection?

15:14 bnchs; it's darwinism if you can't tell a glowie between a real person

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15:15 bnchs__; you can't babyproof social media

15:16 bnchs__; because it will make dumb people even dumber

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15:18 bnchs__; immibis, what do you think

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15:26 schestowitz; bnchs__: better to just avoid it

15:26 schestowitz; my life improved a lot since abandoning it

15:26 bnchs__; yeah

15:26 bnchs__; i don't use social medi

15:26 schestowitz; I can focus on longer taks

15:26 schestowitz; no notifications etc.

15:27 schestowitz; *tasks

15:27 schestowitz; today I added lots of stuff to git and improved the setup

15:27 schestowitz; our IRC logs have been quite largely lately

15:28 schestowitz; irc is not social control media, the networks are more integrated and not a noise machine with "trending" and "viral"

15:28 bnchs__; git?

15:29 bnchs__; oh i wanna ask you about the gemini git interface

15:29 schestowitz; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/

15:29 schestowitz; the code for git over git is in git

15:29 bnchs__; it should have a option to get files seperately as raw

15:29 bnchs__; like a "Download raw file"

15:29 bnchs__; link

15:29 schestowitz; yeah, good idea

15:29 schestowitz; easy to implement

15:30 schestowitz; let me check

15:32 schestowitz-TR; are you good at bash

15:32 schestowitz-TR; ?

15:33 bnchs__; well kinda

15:34 schestowitz; check out gemini-git-update.sh

15:34 schestowitz; this part:

15:34 schestowitz; find "$d" -type f -not -name index.gmi \

15:34 schestowitz; -printf '## %p\n\n```\n' \

15:34 schestowitz; -exec cat {} \; \

15:34 schestowitz; -printf '\n```\n'\

15:34 schestowitz; >> "$d"index.gmi

15:35 schestowitz; it currently concatenates all the files in the dir

15:35 schestowitz; and adds a heading to each

15:35 bnchs__; well do you provide a way to download the file?

15:35 schestowitz; we can output them all to their own file

15:35 schestowitz; or link to them

15:35 bnchs__; like a URL (gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/[...]/raw)

15:35 bnchs__; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/test.php/raw

15:37 schestowitz; the problem is file types, e.g. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Gemini/gemini-git-sloc.sh

15:38 schestowitz; try:

15:38 schestowitz; amfora_1.7.2_linux_64-bit gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/tr-git/Gemini/gemini-git-sloc.sh

15:38 schestowitz; alfora does not care about file types

15:38 schestowitz; but graphical clients would choke

15:39 schestowitz; hence we create an index as gemtext with all the code in it, as raqw

15:39 schestowitz; hence we create an index as gemtext with all the code in it, as raw

15:39 bnchs__; well

15:40 bnchs__; that's another implementation-defined thing

15:40 schestowitz-TR; we could rewrite all the code files as .gmi files

15:40 bnchs__; i'm pretty sure a sane client would prompt download if another MIME type was encountered

15:40 schestowitz-TR; and then add ''' at start and end (not those quotes by slanted ones)

15:40 schestowitz-TR; bnchs__: do we have many inacne clients

15:41 schestowitz-TR; even the web browsers act weight if you point to a shell script

15:41 schestowitz-TR; some suggest downloading it

15:41 schestowitz-TR; like falkon does

15:41 bnchs__; in HTTP, that's mostly a server problem

15:41 bnchs__; insane servers report HTML mime type for shell files or binary files

15:41 bnchs__; so browsers choke aswell

15:44 bnchs__; i like how people consider github's code search as a "feature"

15:44 bnchs__; it doesn't even work in big codebases

15:44 bnchs__; and medium codebases

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15:56 TR News; EPO Union: It is Now Time to Make a Political Statement and Go on Strike! | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/epo-publication-strike/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/18/epo-publication-strike/

15:56 TR Bot; EPO Union: It is Now Time to Make a Political Statement and Go on Strike! | Techrights

15:57 TR News; WITHOUT even announcing it, they've SHUT DOWN their VALIDATOR after almost two decades. To they take corporate money from bullies like Microsoft while shutting down actual services that were useful! https://www.w3.org/

15:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: w3.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.w3.org/

15:57 TR Bot; World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)

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4 PM, March 18

16:02 immibis; it's darwinism when one person makes themselves suffer. it's civilizational darwinism when 30% of the population makes 100% suffer

16:02 immibis; our species has failed natural selection

16:08 TR News; This is partly a lie. "Validation Services" have been inaccessible for weeks to Falkon. I think W3C is now blocking "unknown" browsers, i.e. Web browsers not controlled by the W3C's sponsors. https://status.w3.org/

16:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: w3.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://status.w3.org/

16:08 TR Bot; W3C Status

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16:11 TR News; Holy CRAP! Looks like W3C has in fact OUTSOURCED.... to CLOWNFLARE!!! Which silently blocks my browser because it is NOT malware. W3C has gone the way of the dodo and does NOT understand the Web.

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16:27 immibis; $bad_thing is when organizations pay for ddos protection

16:31 schestowitz-TR; clounflare operates at a loss

16:31 schestowitz-TR; and gives it to some for "free"

16:31 schestowitz-TR; for now

16:31 schestowitz-TR; they will tighten the grip

16:31 schestowitz-TR; then demand money

16:31 schestowitz-TR; like vimeo did

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16:47 TR News; This coming Tuesday the EPO staff goes on strike, and as we last noted yesterday, they have a lot to be angry about (its not about money but about upholding the law) http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/epo-publication-strike/

5 PM, March 18

17:03 TR News; Richard Stallmans LibrePlanet Talk From 5 Years Ago | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/rms-libreplanet/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/18/rms-libreplanet/

17:03 TR Bot; Richard Stallmans LibrePlanet Talk From 5 Years Ago | Techrights

17:18 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162696

17:18 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

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17:20 DaemonFC; history #techrights

17:20 DaemonFC; Shit

17:20 schestowitz-TR; tell the serve

17:20 schestowitz-TR; the ircd

17:20 DaemonFC; There we go.

17:20 schestowitz-TR; :-D

17:20 DaemonFC; I slept in. I did not sleep well yesterday. Now I'm all bleary eyed.

17:23 immibis; schestowitz-TR: they can turn off clownflare

17:23 immibis; if the capitalist upper class wants to give you free shit, take it

17:23 schestowitz-TR; :)

17:23 schestowitz-TR; they should know better

17:23 schestowitz-TR; for weeks I was unable to check validity

17:23 schestowitz-TR; and thought it had gone offline

17:45 TR News; An Alliance of Hate and Intolerance | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/lf-osi-sfc-attacking-fsf/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/18/lf-osi-sfc-attacking-fsf/

17:45 TR Bot; An Alliance of Hate and Intolerance | Techrights

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17:51 DaemonFC; The COVID vaccine was "free", this time.

17:51 DaemonFC; It won't be next time.

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17:52 DaemonFC; It's going to turn into some annual shit show like the flu shot where it doesn't actually work very well, but people take it anyway, and never enough to really suppress the "COVID season" much.

17:58 DaemonFC; If it costs even $30, most people will just skip it because it costs money.

17:59 DaemonFC; Jamie Zawinski said he wanted to have CVS do a mobile flu shot clinic at the DNA Lounge one year but then he found out that they "aren't really free" except with insurance, and it costs like $30 without your insurance card, and "most people don't have their insurance card on them at a night club".

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6 PM, March 18

18:00 DaemonFC; What amazed me was he thought that a private company was going to come out and give 200-300 flue shots away "for free" when the sign clearly says, at the pharmacy Free* *(with most insurance plans).

18:00 DaemonFC; *flu

18:00 DaemonFC; I guess living in San Francisco fries your brain even more than I thought.

18:03 DaemonFC; These shots are like $30 with GoodRX for that matter, and they're maybe $40-50 without.

18:03 DaemonFC; So they don't just send a nurse or pharmacy tech out there to give them away.

18:03 DaemonFC; They consider them easy money.

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18:13 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/utah-zoo-sued-for-reported-peacock-attacks-on-kids/

18:13 TR Bot; Utah zoo sued for reported peacock attacks on kids | WGN-TV

18:13 DaemonFC; The videos show the parents laughing while their kids tormented the birds with sticks.

18:14 DaemonFC; Now they're suing because the birds attacked due to the provocation.

18:14 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-23-memes-90.jpg

18:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-23-memes-90.jpg

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18:21 bnchs; helloo

18:22 bnchs; "

18:22 bnchs; International Red Cross recommends that all persons have an emergency survival kit with multiday supplies of the most essential items. This is in case of any natural or man-made crisis resulting in a need for evacuation or a major disruption of day-to-day services. "

18:22 bnchs; unfortunately not everyone has that

18:22 bnchs; they expect the gov to step in

18:22 bnchs; and fight them

18:22 DaemonFC; The US is lucky enough that the logistics of a Russian (conventional) invasion would be impossible for Putin to pull off.

18:23 DaemonFC; And a nuclear one would be responded to immediately, causing Russia to be utterly destroyed as well.

18:23 bnchs; yes everyone should have an emergency survival kit

18:23 bnchs; but people think they don't need one

18:23 DaemonFC; Putin is frustrated that Russian ground troops aren't making much progress and are dying en masse.

18:24 DaemonFC; So he now has the Russian Navy sitting on the Black Sea lobbing expensive cruise missiles into Ukraine.

18:24 DaemonFC; Those things generally cost more than what the target they hit is worth.

18:24 DaemonFC; A Tomahawk cruise missile usually runs about a million and a half dollars per missile.

18:25 DaemonFC; Today Putin fired four cruise missiles at an airport outside Lviv.

18:25 bnchs; how does he pay for them?

18:25 bnchs; with taxes i guess right?

18:25 DaemonFC; Good question.

18:26 DaemonFC; Three cruise missiles were reported shot down earlier today in the Eastern part of Ukraine.

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18:26 DaemonFC; They're going through a bunch of stuff that they already had before the war broke out, which will not be easy to replace quickly.

18:27 DaemonFC; They expected minimal losses and then to move on and invade the rest of Europe once they'd established forward bases.

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18:32 bnchs; npm has such a dependency hell

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18:32 bnchs; holy crap lots of parting and joining messages

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18:32 immibis; internet must have netsplitted

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18:33 XRevan86; I'm still around.

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18:34 immibis; bnchs: he just takes confiscates foreign currency so that the incidence of all sanctions falls on people other than him

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18:34 bnchs; oh that makes sense

18:34 immibis; besides, he already has the missiles. why pay for something you already have? did he buy them on layby?

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18:35 bnchs; i wanna talk about brandon nozaki miller (aka the asshole who put malware in his nodejs module that was used by vue.js)

18:36 *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@ecz2t3b69tp9n.irc) has joined #techrights

18:36 immibis; the digital equivalent of randomly spraying bombs on a country that's invading you

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18:36 bnchs; it was flawed

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18:37 bnchs; first of the malware payload depended on a outdated IP geolocation database

18:37 immibis; piping-hot take: if it affects you, you deserve it for using javascript

18:37 TR News; EPO Staff Representatives Warn Delegates of the Council That Campinos is Now Outsourcing the EPO, Just Like He Did EUIPO, in Very Clear Violation of Fundamental Rules | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/epo-outsourcing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/18/epo-outsourcing/

18:37 TR Bot; EPO Staff Representatives Warn Delegates of the Council That Campinos is Now Outsourcing the EPO, Just Like He Did EUIPO, in Very Clear Violation of Fundamental Rules | Techrights

18:37 bnchs; second, retard went on 100% damage control after getting a CVE vulnerability on his ass

18:37 bnchs; third, he made his own wikipedia page

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18:39 bnchs; it's only a matter of time before he gets doxed

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18:40 bnchs; https://nitter.net/electricCowboyR

18:40 TR Bot; Brandon Nozaki Miller (@electricCowboyR) | nitter

18:40 bnchs; someone cracked his twitter

18:40 bnchs; only a matter of time before he gets DOXED

18:40 schestowitz-TR; never heard of him

18:41 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, brandon miller is the guy who developed node-ipc

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18:41 bnchs; today, he inserted a malware that overwrites your files with a heart emoji if it detected that your geolocation was russia

18:41 schestowitz-TR; using 'code' as a vehicle for sabotage

18:41 schestowitz-TR; how 'cool'

18:42 bnchs; then he rewrote the commit history

18:42 bnchs; to erase evidence that he did

18:42 bnchs; then he went on damage control

18:42 immibis; either you believe in sabotage or you don't. The fact that code is involved seems irrelevant.

18:42 schestowitz-TR; should be prosecuted

18:42 immibis; you can also complain about the poor targeting

18:43 bnchs; also he made node-ipc depend on his own package (peacenotwar) which of course

18:43 bnchs; makes a file in your desktop

18:43 bnchs; unity, vue.js complained about this

18:43 schestowitz-TR; I hope russia flies him to siberia and glasses him there

18:43 immibis; seems like two separate actions then. First making the desktop thing, then deciding that wasn't enough and going full nuclear

18:43 bnchs; he's definitely not going scott-free

18:43 DaemonFC; Who cares if the Russians get their computers wiped?

18:43 DaemonFC; Sounds pretty funny to me.

18:43 bnchs; someone already doxed him LOL

18:44 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: not funny at all

18:44 schestowitz-TR; ad it hurts people who don't support putin

18:44 schestowitz-TR; maybe even opposition leaders

18:44 schestowitz-TR; putin doesn't pull packages from microsoft

18:44 schestowitz-TR; he's now THAT dumb

18:44 schestowitz-TR; (not

18:44 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, should i post link here?

18:45 immibis; not everyone in the russian government is putin

18:45 schestowitz-TR; don't mind..

18:45 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/funny-dungeons-dragons-memes-03-15-22/

18:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/funny-dungeons-dragons-memes-03-15-22/

18:45 TR Bot; Funny Dungeons & Dragons Memes According To A Guy Who Actually Plays D&D (30 Pics)

18:45 bnchs; https://doxbin.com/upload/BrandonNozakiMiller/raw

18:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: doxbin.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://doxbin.com/upload/BrandonNozakiMiller/raw

18:45 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://doxbin.com/upload/BrandonNozakiMiller/raw )

18:45 schestowitz-TR; immibis: seems political activism is sabotage now

18:45 schestowitz-TR; "for the lols"

18:45 bnchs; this is fully detailed

18:45 bnchs; including the part where he cheated on his wife

18:45 bnchs; this is the power of just one day

18:46 XRevan86; Why do people think that GeoIP is reliable?

18:46 immibis; by the way here is a script that shows a message to russian-language users, although I am no good at writing english and the russian is auto-translated: https://immibis.com/russia_war_popup.html

18:46 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-immibis.com

18:46 XRevan86; It cannot give 100% accuracy.

18:46 immibis; this is not sabotage at all, it just puts an interstitial page on first access to your website. posting it here in case anyone wants it on theirs

18:46 bnchs; i guess this is what happens

18:46 bnchs; when you fuck with your own source code

18:46 MinceR; XRevan86: because it's magic :>

18:46 bnchs; and fuck with people

18:47 SomeH4x0r; it is just an annoyance

18:47 immibis; schestowitz-TR: sabotage is a relatively extreme form of activism, to be used when milder forms have failed

18:47 immibis; remember the 4 boxes of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo

18:47 SomeH4x0r; > your army is invading Ukraine | "

18:48 SomeH4x0r; "and what the fuck? I just want to see the fucking website, I don't care about whoever and whatever else"

18:48 SomeH4x0r; fuck these pop-ups

18:48 bnchs; yeah fuck anti-russian crap

18:48 SomeH4x0r; websites must contain *relevant* stuff, and not waste people's time

18:48 bnchs; it's like they repeat it for the millionth time

18:48 SomeH4x0r; way to many banners and other shit

18:48 SomeH4x0r; *too

18:49 XRevan86; MinceR: I have a friend in Ukraine that uses VPN now because she's affected by all these GeoIP blocks as well for some reason.

18:49 immibis; you realize there's an information blackout in russia. Every random place that says "no war" is an opportunity to slip through the blackout

18:49 XRevan86; GeoIP \_()_/

18:49 MinceR; :(

18:50 MinceR; i bet those blocks don't affect terrorussian propaganda at all

18:50 XRevan86; Why would they?

18:50 XRevan86; immibis: Ye realise the people who are going to see these messages are the least likely to be in the blackout?

18:50 MinceR; because the people who wanted them thought they would

18:51 XRevan86; A babushka in Zaryupinsk is not going to pull npm dependencies.

18:52 bnchs; just imagine the average russian web developer

18:52 bnchs; "i'm just gonna make a vue.js website"

18:52 bnchs; "where did my files go"

18:53 immibis; XRevan86: that's why they have to go in as many, widespread, places as possible

18:53 XRevan86; immibis: https://t.me/uniannet/39473 this is more effective

18:53 TR Bot; Telegram: Contact @uniannet

18:53 immibis; btw even if you see it as propaganda... russia proved that propaganda works

18:54 bnchs; besides it's not like this happens everyday in NPM

18:54 bnchs; supply chain attacks

18:54 bnchs; NPM is full of supply chain attacks

18:54 immibis; XRevan86: what does it say?

18:54 immibis; must be a stock exchange with the ticker

18:55 immibis; so it's probably just saying it's down for maintenance (because must suppress truth)

18:55 XRevan86; immibis: How many Russian army casualties, a Telegram channel link and "glory to Ukraine".

18:56 XRevan86; They kind of screwed up because they used the total number of casualties and called it "deaths".

18:56 XRevan86; But that's not the point.

18:58 XRevan86; Regardless, the people in IT are immersed in information, they are not going to be affected by this kind of message.

18:58 immibis; yup so if you have a recipe site, put it on the recipe site

18:58 XRevan86; But they might get annoyed by it, and especially by malware.

18:58 immibis; if you sell socks, put it on the sock store

18:59 XRevan86; immibis: People who are going to read recipes in English same story.

7 PM, March 18

19:00 XRevan86; immibis: And it's impossible to buy socks abroad at this point.

19:01 XRevan86; There's a reason why the Kremlin's targeting resources in the Russian language: it's because the casual person is only going to read stuff in Russian.

19:03 XRevan86; And indeed there are more and more European resources that started writing articles in Russian about the war, and RKN subsequently blocked them.

19:05 TR News; From the official talks description: Announcement of the 2016 Free Software Award winners (and more) by Richard Stallman http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/rms-libreplanet/

19:05 TR Bot; Richard Stallmans LibrePlanet Talk From 5 Years Ago | Techrights

19:06 TR News; The corporate front groups and Microsoft-funded organisations (LF, OSI, SFC) are attacking the FSF and the uploaded image below is real, except the text; it seems clear that Microsoft money is very costly as it dooms organisations, turning them against their original goals or purported mission http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/lf-osi-sfc-attacking-fsf/

19:06 TR Bot; An Alliance of Hate and Intolerance | Techrights

19:06 DaemonFC; NPM obviously can't be trusted.

19:06 DaemonFC; Today it's an attack on Russia. What will it be next time?

19:06 TR News; he sharks who are gutting Europes second-largest institution say they wish to deliver high-quality patents while they do the exact opposite, more so in violation of the European Patent Convention, as usual http://techrights.org/2022/03/18/epo-outsourcing/

19:06 TR Bot; EPO Staff Representatives Warn Delegates of the Council That Campinos is Now Outsourcing the EPO, Just Like He Did EUIPO, in Very Clear Violation of Fundamental Rules | Techrights

19:06 bnchs; well

19:06 bnchs; i guess in this case it was intentional

19:07 bnchs; and in this case, the dev got doxed

19:07 XRevan86; I think it's perfectly O.K. for a project to express solidarity and call for peace, but that's not an excuse to make malware.

19:07 bnchs; also wanna talk about how he cheated on his wife

19:07 bnchs; behind her back

19:08 bnchs; he signed up to a couple of adultery sites and even paid 50$ to one

19:08 XRevan86; Meanwhile, the judge that's going to give a verdict to Navalny, got a promotion from Putin.

19:09 DaemonFC; "npm, Inc. is a company founded in 2014, and was acquired by GitHub in 2020."

19:09 XRevan86; Maybe that means he will be pardoned (not).

19:09 DaemonFC; No mention of Microsoft anywhere by name.

19:09 bnchs; the only good thing he made was a dominos pizza library for node.js

19:10 bnchs; if you can count a API wrapper

19:10 DaemonFC; Does is apply the $7.99 coupon for any large three topping carryout?

19:11 bnchs; will he get arrested for adultery

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19:11 bnchs; and maybe computer fraud

19:11 DaemonFC; Adultery is a criminal offense in Illinois.

19:12 DaemonFC; Nobody has been arrested for it since 1997.

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19:12 DaemonFC; But she had the charges dropped.

19:12 DaemonFC; The liberals think it's "enlightened" to let someone make a mockery out of their marriage vows, I suppose.

19:14 bnchs; tyrone will heart his ass

19:14 bnchs; maybe overwrite his rectum

19:19 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo6MU_YfSbA

19:19 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Mo6MU_YfSbA

19:19 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Beautiful fluffy cat and her friends at the park are so cute - Invidious

19:20 bnchs; EU CHAT CONTROL LAW!!!

19:20 bnchs; The new "Chat Control" law, will enforce on-device scanning of every message sent in the internet. How do people not care about this?

19:20 bnchs; https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/

19:20 TR Bot; Chat Control Patrick Breyer

19:20 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/?p=1842161

19:20 TR Bot; Proposed law in Minnesota would ban algorithms to protect the children | Ars Technica

19:21 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/?p=1842161

19:23 bnchs; schestowitz, you're glad UK brexited

19:23 schestowitz-TR; no

19:23 bnchs; what?

19:24 AdmFubar; geniuses! they're just geniuses! https://arstechnica.com/?p=1842075

19:24 TR Bot; Reviewers panned Apples Studio Display webcam, but a software fix is coming | Ars Technica

19:24 immibis; DaemonFC: the conservatives think marriage is "enlightened"

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19:39 TR News; Ubuntu 22.04 Lets You Pick A Custom Accent Colour Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162697

19:39 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.04 Lets You Pick A Custom Accent Colour | Tux Machines

19:39 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162698

19:39 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

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19:43 bnchs; i just realized how insane rust devs are

19:43 bnchs; https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/74127

19:43 TR Bot; "whitelist" by tamird Pull Request #74127 rust-lang/rust GitHub

19:43 bnchs; https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/45418

19:43 TR Bot; "gender" from code of conduct, keep only "gender identity and expression" by Manishearth Pull Request #45418 rust-lang/rust GitHub

19:43 bnchs; https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/26107

19:43 TR Bot; difference by ChrisJefferson Pull Request #26107 rust-lang/rust GitHub

19:43 bnchs; https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/25681

19:43 TR Bot; -> [they] in Dining Philosophers by steveklabnik Pull Request #25681 rust-lang/rust GitHub

19:44 bnchs; this is just making me write in C more

19:46 TR News; The Kudu Laptop: What System76 Does Best - Boiling Steam https://boilingsteam.com/the-kudu-laptop-what-system76-does-best/

19:46 immibis; did you know anti-SJWs are at least as bad as SJWs?

19:47 TR Bot; The Kudu Laptop: What System76 Does Best - Boiling Steam

19:47 schestowitz-TR; what does this term even mean?

19:47 schestowitz-TR; and what are its orgiins?

19:47 bnchs; social justice warriors

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19:48 TR News; "I didn't write for a few months. I was relatively busy with work, and then the war broke which impacted me even though I'm not from Ukraine. I find it hard to concentrate on things related to work or even day to day tasks are hard because I keep thinking about people during war, their house is bombarded, they become refugees" gemini://tilde.team/~steve/blog/2022-03-18.gmi

19:48 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: I meant deeper than this

19:48 bnchs; yes

19:48 immibis; in this case SJWs = the kind of people who go out of their way to change "he"/"she" to "they", and anti-SJWs = the people who are triggered by the existence of SJWs

19:49 bnchs; it's worse that i

19:49 bnchs; actually use a 1-bit variable for sex

19:49 bnchs; (male/female)

19:49 TR News; "Erin was experimenting with old fashioned web technology and discovered you can just serve files with a regular web server, like straight from a directory, and these web servers are like free and super easy to set up." gemini://marginalia.nu/log/51-the-file-startup.gmi

19:50 bnchs; so i don't have to deal with non-binary gender and shit

19:51 schestowitz-TR; that's not related to tech anyway

19:51 schestowitz-TR; but it's a way to poison and troll projecta that are technical

19:52 bnchs; yes

19:52 schestowitz-TR; as it riles up people of all religions, and women too

19:52 schestowitz-TR; so let's get back on topic

19:52 bnchs; the whole thing is meant to cause infighting

19:52 TR News; 5 more cpasules to 2,250 gemini://gemini.bortzmeyer.org/software/lupa/stats.gmi

19:53 TR News; This is very bad for Microsoft and for Windows, DRM notwithstanding https://boilingsteam.com/google-confirmed-steam-is-coming-to-chromeos-finally/

19:53 TR Bot; Google Confirmed Steam is Coming to ChromeOS. Finally! - Boiling Steam

19:53 bnchs; i hope microsoft isn't gonna damage control on this

19:53 TR News; "Home Wind released into Early Access recently as a free city-builder, although not really like many others as it takes a much more relaxed approach. Tested on Linux with Proton 7, it works perfectly." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/home-wind-is-a-free-minimalist-relaxing-and-cozy-city-builder/

19:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/home-wind-is-a-free-minimalist-relaxing-and-cozy-city-builder/

19:53 TR Bot; Wind is a free minimalist, relaxing and cozy city builder | GamingOnLinux

19:54 bnchs; wow home wind a proprietary windows game

19:54 bnchs; test with proton

19:54 TR News; "While Elgato continue to ignore the Linux market, developers from around the community end up creating applications to fill the gap. Now there's Boatswain, which allows Linux users to control Elgato Stream Deck devices." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/boatswain-is-a-new-stream-deck-compatible-app-for-linux

19:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/boatswain-is-a-new-stream-deck-compatible-app-for-linux

19:54 TR Bot; is a new Stream Deck compatible app for Linux | GamingOnLinux

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19:55 immibis; who cares about chromeos?

19:55 schestowitz-TR; gulag

19:56 schestowitz-TR; they demoted crouton

19:56 schestowitz-TR; and natives OSes

19:56 immibis; bnchs: what happens if an intersex person wants to use your software?

19:56 schestowitz-TR; now they push crostini

19:56 schestowitz-TR; so they can control the whole "DE"

19:56 bnchs; chromeos is just gulag walled garden

19:57 bnchs; immibis, intersex?

19:57 schestowitz-TR; galliumOS I installed once

19:57 schestowitz-TR; the hardware makes it hard toi even boot into it

19:57 schestowitz-TR; you need to open up machines and remove screws

19:58 schestowitz-TR; I think there used to be some external switch

19:58 immibis; bnchs: you can't represent male, female and intersex in one bit

19:58 schestowitz-TR; and they increasingly remove such abilities

19:58 bnchs; immibis, what about 2 bits

19:58 bnchs; 00 = male 01 = female 10 = intersex

19:58 immibis; bnchs: try: male, female, other, prefer not to say. That's a pretty typical set

19:58 schestowitz-TR; tech has no gender

19:58 schestowitz-TR; people who focus on etch ignored genders

19:58 schestowitz-TR; but can recognise bad code and trolls

19:58 bnchs; other?

19:59 schestowitz-TR; no matter what

19:59 schestowitz-TR; anyway, back on topic

19:59 immibis; other including intersex, robots, aliens, etc

19:59 bnchs; this is sex not gender

19:59 schestowitz-TR; can we get back on topic?

19:59 bnchs; hmmm

19:59 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, ok ok

19:59 schestowitz-TR; you are falling into traps

19:59 schestowitz-TR; and we need to focus on tech

8 PM, March 18

20:00 TR News; Games: System76, Stadia, and Steam Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162699

20:00 TR Bot; Games: System76, Stadia, and Steam | Tux Machines

20:00 bnchs; yes because gender/sex should now be a string

20:00 AdmFubar; ah the cloud... https://arstechnica.com/?p=1842076

20:00 TR Bot; Server issues lock Gran Turismo 7 owners out of single-player races | Ars Technica

20:00 bnchs; well whatever

20:01 TR News; </p></blockquote></li>

20:01 TR News; Debian interns: Microsoft #ProprietarySoftware for code and.... "You can connect with me on linkedin" x| https://ajadi-abiola.github.io/blog/Career-Interests

20:01 TR Bot; Career Interest!

20:01 bnchs; AdmFubar, modern video games really be like that

20:01 bnchs; gone are the days where you can play a game offline

20:01 bnchs; the game has to phone home

20:02 TR News; BUT... in this case Outreachy did result in some GitLAB https://ajadi-abiola.github.io/blog/Outreachy-Wrap-up

20:02 TR Bot; Outreachy-And it's a wrap!

20:05 AdmFubar; :)) https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-claim-to-breach-transunion-south-africa-with-password-password/

20:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/hackers-claim-to-breach-transunion-south-africa-with-password-password/

20:05 TR Bot; Hackers claim to breach TransUnion South Africa with 'Password' password

20:06 bnchs; this is your brain on nesquik water

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20:08 immibis; bnchs: string works

20:09 bnchs; immibis, yes but wastes memory

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20:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.08 k/sec., IPFS upstream 59.13 average k/sec., average swarm size 278.73

20:14 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-15-22-1.jpg

20:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-15-22-1.jpg

20:14 TR News; They try hard to bring "log4j" into headlines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162680#comment-33097

20:14 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

20:15 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162700

20:15 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

20:16 TR News; Openwash loses in court http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162676#comment-33098

20:16 TR Bot; Openwashing and Misuse of Brands: 'Linux' Foundation, OSI, and SFC | Tux Machines

20:17 TR News; BS buzzwords from ICBM, trying to break what already works in the name of "modernising" or "transforming". "Over the past three years, no single trend has influenced the world around us more than digital transformation." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-6-requirements-success

20:17 TR Bot; Digital transformation reality check: 6 requirements for success | The Enterprisers Project

20:18 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: I feel like you should express some interest into what attracts people who want to say transphobic stuff to this channel in the first place

20:18 TR News; ICBM has driven away tons of Red Hat staff, including countless managers and executives; they're no experts when it comes to retention. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/it-hiring-7-tips-attract-and-retain-passionate-high-performing-talent

20:18 TR Bot; IT hiring: 7 tips to retain passionate, high-performing talent | The Enterprisers Project

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20:20 bnchs; mjg59_, what?

20:20 TR News; Letter to U.S. government: Do not disrupt internet access in Russia or Belarus https://www.accessnow.org/letter-us-government-internet-access-russia-belarus-ukraine/

20:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/letter-us-government-internet-access-russia-belarus-ukraine/

20:20 TR Bot; Letter to U.S. government: Do not disrupt internet access in Russia or Belarus - Access Now

20:23 TR News; Gulag is a COMPETITOR of LibreOffice, so this funding can raise some questions https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/03/18/build-up-your-skills-and-learn-exciting-new-things/

20:23 TR Bot; Build up your skills, and learn exciting new things! - The Document Foundation Blog

20:25 TR News; IBM emeritus Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Impact of Open Source on the EU Economy https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/03/impact-of-open-source-on-the-european-community.html

20:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: irvingwb.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/03/impact-of-open-source-on-the-european-community.html

20:25 TR Bot; Irving Wladawsky-Berger: The Impact of Open Source on the EU Economy

20:26 bnchs; i know this is unrelated to tech, but i don't hate transgender people, just the unethical and barberic surgeries

20:26 bnchs; and the doctors that profit out of it

20:27 SomeH4x0r; what is wrong with the surgeries?

20:27 bnchs; they rely on doing irreversible damage to the body

20:27 schestowitz-TR; they are consensual

20:28 schestowitz-TR; unlike circumcision and FGM

20:28 bnchs; basically manipulate and push the person into thinking that they're trans

20:28 bnchs; and then they take the surgery

20:28 schestowitz-TR; but that's off topic anyway

20:28 SomeH4x0r; better than suicide, I think

20:28 bnchs; and when they see the end-result, they feel like a sucker

20:28 schestowitz-TR; zero connection to tech

20:28 schestowitz-TR; adrenaline rush for trolls

20:29 bnchs; ok

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20:43 DaemonFC; I wonder how diverse Mr. Goolag's employer is.

20:43 DaemonFC; He has a history of working for ones that are 90% male and close to 100% white.

20:43 bnchs; anyway i'm thinking

20:44 bnchs; how do you put GNU/Linux on a cyber-cafe?

20:44 bnchs; all the free cyber-cafe management software like mkahawa have been abandoned for a decade

20:44 bnchs; and uncompilable without some modifications

20:45 MinceR; develop a new one, or update an old one :>

20:45 bnchs; yes

20:49 bnchs; but i feel like it's gonna need some work

20:50 bnchs; like modifiying the display manager to not accept guest login without authenication from the cyber-cafe server

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20:59 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mildly-terrifying-images-5.jpg

20:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mildly-terrifying-images-5.jpg

9 PM, March 18

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21:17 chicksahoy; mjg59_: thank you for your support of the trans community

21:18 chicksahoy; SomeH4x0r: thanks for your support too

21:18 SomeH4x0r; no problem

21:18 chicksahoy; schestowitz-TR: thank you too :)

21:19 chicksahoy; SomeH4x0r: :)

21:19 *PissServ is now known as [[[-_-]]]

21:19 chicksahoy; i don't like the idea that i've been brainwashed and the surgery was a success

21:20 *[[[-_-]]] is now known as Noisytoot

21:20 bnchs; well ok

21:20 SomeH4x0r; IMHO some surgery is better than nothing. But the information about the possible issues needs to be provided too.

21:21 chicksahoy; SomeH4x0r: i got three manuals to read before i did it (Canada)

21:21 SomeH4x0r; as some trans people want to change their sex as much as possible

21:21 bnchs; but i don't like the doctors profitting out of it

21:22 SomeH4x0r; I don't like either

21:22 chicksahoy; they should be paid something for their amazing work, they are doing a job

21:23 chicksahoy; although i'd say they probably get paid way too much

21:23 chicksahoy; i think it was 40k for my surgery, not quite sure because the government paid for it

21:23 bnchs; i would say it would be too risky

21:23 bnchs; you know what they say "if it aint broke, then don't fix it"

21:24 SomeH4x0r; it is broken though

21:24 chicksahoy; yeah it is broken

21:24 bnchs; yeah

21:24 chicksahoy; i didnt want a male sex organ and im much happier without it

21:24 chicksahoy; sure there were risks but its worth it

21:25 bnchs; i guess i really don't know what gender dysphoria feels like

21:25 chicksahoy; being able to wear a skirt without a buldge makes me so happy

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21:26 bnchs; but what i especially don't like

21:26 bnchs; is where it turns unethical

21:26 bnchs; like pushing surgeries for kids

21:26 chicksahoy; they dont, thats a myth

21:27 chicksahoy; kids get puberty blockers

21:27 bnchs; well... wait what??

21:27 chicksahoy; medication that prevents puberty

21:27 bnchs; well that's a bit weird

21:27 chicksahoy; i wish i had puberty blockers, less body hair omg

21:28 bnchs; just shave lol

21:28 chicksahoy; its a lot worse tho

21:28 chicksahoy; i had to get laser hair removal on my face a bunch of times

21:29 SomeH4x0r; I consider reproduction to be unethical

21:29 chicksahoy; SomeH4x0r: fair enough, 7 billion people on earth

21:29 chicksahoy; i wonder how many people will be on earth in 2030

21:29 bnchs; tbh i do like my male sex organ

21:29 SomeH4x0r; hope it all ends in the Global Thermonuclear War

21:30 bnchs; all i know is that if you're doing it voluntarily then good luck to you

21:30 chicksahoy; bnchs: thanks

21:31 MinceR; https://thecodinglove.com/when-i-start-fixing-a-bug-and-discover-all-the-hidden-bugs-behind

21:31 TR Bot; When I start fixing a bug and discover all the hidden bugs behind | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes

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21:32 SomeH4x0r; children are what remained of legalized slavery

21:33 SomeH4x0r; need to ban parenting

21:33 MinceR; just ban reproduction

21:33 bnchs; SomeH4x0r, well if thats the case

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21:33 bnchs; what would you do with the semen stored in your balls

21:34 SomeH4x0r; no idea

21:34 immibis; bnchs: you think non-trans people are being pushed into being trans for profit?

21:34 bnchs; immibis, sometimes i do think that

21:35 immibis; mjg59_: it's the fact they don't get immediately banned

21:36 bnchs; immibis, if you ban people for having different opinions, then you might aswell change the name

21:37 bnchs; anyway this is not related to tech

21:37 immibis; X inevitably causes Y. Y is bad. Change X or no?

21:37 bnchs; we need to go back

21:37 XRevan86; Linux causes Kernel Panics

21:39 bnchs; i already fell into the trap

21:39 MinceR; i support changing Linux

21:39 bnchs; of speaking my opinion in this topic

21:39 MinceR; we could start with kicking out the corporate parasites and their CoC

21:43 bnchs; i'm sorry for making techrights look bad by falling into non-tech topics

21:43 immibis; free speech is a tech thing and a rights thing

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21:52 bnchs; <immibis> mjg59_: it's the fact they don't get immediately banned

21:52 bnchs; you can find that in reddit

21:52 bnchs; but if you wanna turn techrights IRC into reddit

21:53 bnchs; then be my guest

21:53 MinceR;

21:53 XRevan86; bnchs: To compete with freenode? :)

21:53 DaemonFC; <bnchs> basically manipulate and push the person into thinking that they're trans

21:54 DaemonFC; That's what Texas is investigating.

21:54 DaemonFC; Pressuring children into thinking they're trans and getting irreversible surgery when they're like 5.

21:54 bnchs; if you want users to be banned for thinking wrongly

21:54 bnchs; rather than convincing them

21:54 chicksahoy; DaemonFC: they dont get surgery that young

21:54 bnchs; then it will only make it worse

21:54 DaemonFC; They get hormones and then they'll be screwed up.

21:55 DaemonFC; Eventually many will say "I was brainwashed by my parents into taking forced medicine and now I have boobs and stuff.".

21:55 bnchs; chicksahoy, well i hope

21:55 bnchs; like that kid who "turned" into a queer

21:55 bnchs; desmond?

21:56 chicksahoy; DaemonFC: they get puberty blockers, hormones are for adults

21:56 DaemonFC; This all goes along with destroying the right to refuse unwanted and unnecessary medical care.

21:56 DaemonFC; When you're a kid, your parents are the state.

21:56 DaemonFC; So if they want you to take puberty blockers, is that right?

21:57 chicksahoy; parents arent forcing this on kids

21:57 chicksahoy; the kids come out on their own

21:57 DaemonFC; They have authority over you for like, a few years, and then you have to clean up whatever mess they make for you and live your life somehow later.

21:57 bnchs; i think puberty blockers for kids were banned on some state

21:57 bnchs; and a country

21:57 DaemonFC; This isn't really any different than forcing kids on Ritalin.

21:58 chicksahoy; in reality its probably the opposite, transphobic parents not letting their kids go on puberty blockers

21:59 DaemonFC; Doubtful.

21:59 DaemonFC; Anyway, kids don't know what they want.

21:59 DaemonFC; You ask a kid who should be president, it's whatever their parents said, most likely.

21:59 bnchs; chicksahoy, it's probably because they don't wanna rush it too fast

10 PM, March 18

22:00 bnchs; like kids can change their mind all the time

22:00 DaemonFC; Up to a certain age, most of them don't really make their own decisions or have opinions about things.

22:00 chicksahoy; i know what i wanted when i was a kid, i knew my parents were dumbfucks

22:00 SomeH4x0r; fuck the "future". A lie parents tell to children, maybe because of brainwashing.

22:00 DaemonFC; My parents weren't as bad as they are now.

22:00 bnchs; chicksahoy, well if you really wanted to know what you wanted

22:00 DaemonFC; I chalk it up to a steady diet of Fox News and Facebook, and a healthy dose of cognitive decline.

22:00 SomeH4x0r; almost 18 years after I was born, a war escalated in Ukraine, and I could actually get hit by a bomb in a few weeks

22:01 SomeH4x0r; and the damned "future" is gone

22:01 DaemonFC; <SomeH4x0r> and the damned "future" is gone

22:01 DaemonFC; I'm about to be 38 and I'm utterly horrified about what's happening in the world.

22:01 DaemonFC; I could live another 50 years with whatever the outcome is of what's going on now.

22:01 chicksahoy; russia is scary

22:01 MinceR; a bright, human-free future beckons

22:01 SomeH4x0r; my parents think I'm going to become a "successful" programmer. Just two brainwashed individuals.

22:02 SomeH4x0r; I don't actually have motivation for anything, they thought about programming just because I was using my computer all the time, for typical (or a bit not) user activities

22:02 chicksahoy; i cant drink coffee or smoke pot anymore because i get too paranoid about russia and their nukes

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22:04 bnchs; i got tcp killed

22:05 bnchs; now i wanted to say that the parents don't think their kids can think wisely

22:05 XRevan86; "russia is scary" <- I'm also afraid.

22:05 chicksahoy; red scare 2.0

22:06 bnchs; i don't care about russia and shit

22:07 XRevan86; I care a lot.

22:08 bnchs; the world should not be taken seriously

22:08 XRevan86; There is no exit from a submarine.

22:09 bnchs; i treat the world as if it's a big comedy show

22:09 immibis; bnchs: into a place where transphobes aren't attracted to?

22:09 bnchs; immibis, what?

22:10 immibis; bnchs: "turn this into reddit" = "turn this into a place transphobes aren't attracted to"?

22:10 bnchs; no

22:10 bnchs; i meant a place that bans people for wrongthink

22:10 bnchs; rather than convincing and having a discussion with them

22:11 immibis; what do you think about people who aren't amenable to being discussed with?

22:11 bnchs; i try to be open-minded

22:15 TR News; Donenfeld: Random number generator enhancements for Linux 5.17 and 5.18 https://lwn.net/Articles/888413/

22:15 TR Bot; Random number generator enhancements for Linux 5.17 and 5.18 [LWN.net]

22:15 TR News; "The random number generator has undergone a few important changes for Linux 5.17 and 5.18, in an attempt to modernize both the code and the cryptography used. The smaller part of these will be released with 5.17 on Sunday" https://www.zx2c4.com/projects/linux-rng-5.17-5.18/

22:15 TR Bot; Random number generator enhancements for Linux 5.17 and 5.18

22:16 TR News; "CRI-O has released a security update addressing a critical vulnerabilityCVE-2022-0811in CRI-O 1.19. A local attacker could exploit this vulnerability to take control of an affected Kubernetes environment as well as other software or platforms that use CRI-O runtime containers." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/18/cri-o-security-update-kubernetes

22:16 TR Bot; CRI-O Security Update for Kubernetes | CISA

22:18 TR News; Would Proposed Tech Regulations Foster Foreign Information Warfare? - Disruptive Competition Project https://www.project-disco.org/competition/031822-would-proposed-tech-regulations-foster-foreign-information-warfare/

22:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: project-disco.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.project-disco.org/competition/031822-would-proposed-tech-regulations-foster-foreign-information-warfare/

22:18 TR Bot; Would Proposed Tech Regulations Foster Foreign Information Warfare? - Disruptive Competition Project

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22:19 TR News; Coding in a war zone: A Ruby developer's life in Kharkiv - #ElReg https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/ruby_ukraine_zverok/

22:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/ruby_ukraine_zverok/

22:19 TR Bot; Coding in a war zone: A Ruby developer's life in Kharkiv The Register

22:20 TR News; xxxxxMicrobel once again running ads/spam for AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-ryzen-server&num=1 follow the money... http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/

22:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-ryzen-server&num=1

22:20 TR Bot; Makes A Compelling Case For Budget-Friendly Ryzen Dedicated Servers - Phoronix

22:20 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights

22:21 TR News; Dav1d 1.0 AV1 is out. AFAIK, it decided to DELETE GITHUB :-) https://code.videolan.org/videolan/dav1d/-/tags/1.0.0

22:21 TR Bot; 1.0.0 Tags VideoLAN / dav1d GitLab

22:23 TR News; Regulatory compliance at scale with Red Hat Insights https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/regulatory-compliance-scale-red-hat-insights ICBM is upselling GNU/Linux; pay us or face security problem...

22:23 TR Bot; Regulatory compliance at scale with Red Hat Insights

22:23 DaemonFC; https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/google-accused-of-systemic-bias-black-employees-lawsuit-rcna20695

22:23 TR Bot; Google is accused in lawsuit of systemic bias against Black employees

22:23 DaemonFC; mjg59_ presumably benefited from white privilege at Google.

22:24 TR News; Boston University sees success with new educational tools built with Red Hat OpenShift Data Science https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/boston-university-sees-success-new-educational-tools-built-red-hat-openshift-data-science they outsourced to Amazon, just like ICBM and Fedora

22:24 TR Bot; Boston University sees success with new educational tools built with Red Hat OpenShift Data Science

22:24 DaemonFC; According to the lawsuit, security at Google stopped black employees often and demanded to see their ID and questioned them about what they were even doing there.

22:24 bnchs; i don't want techrights to turn into anti-wrongthink

22:24 DaemonFC; It also pays them less and offers few opportunities for a promotion.

22:24 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: I don't have CS degree :-) but am white

22:24 DaemonFC; According to a complaint seeking class-action status, Google maintains a racially biased corporate culture that favors white men, where Black people comprise only 4.4% of employees and about 3% of leadership and its technology workforce.

22:25 schestowitz-TR; but that's not on topic anyway

22:25 DaemonFC; Matt Goolag's former employer becomes a millstone around his neck.

22:25 schestowitz-TR; those companies make up for reality

22:25 schestowitz-TR; by making marketing and brochures that are gender- and race-balanced

22:25 schestowitz-TR; e.g. 50% female

22:25 schestowitz-TR; when in their eng teams they're like 99% mala

22:25 schestowitz-TR; and in general maybe 90% male

22:26 DaemonFC; It's interesting that Mr. Goolag didn't complain about this while he was there.

22:26 schestowitz-TR; so the footage and bribed-for marketing creates fictional reality

22:26 DaemonFC; "Take the paychecks Matt, and here's some more Secure Boot stuff from Microsoft and the NSA!"

22:26 schestowitz-TR; ICBM/Red Hat and Microsoft do so a lot

22:29 bnchs; can we go back to tech

22:29 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS61nn1h2IM

22:29 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=lS61nn1h2IM

22:29 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Brown nosed cat is so cute and affectionate - Invidious

22:29 bnchs; i feel like we derailed a bit

22:29 DaemonFC; This reminds me of a Voyager Borg episode.

22:29 schestowitz-TR; we did

22:29 schestowitz-TR; although the latter issue is not entirely "off"

22:29 bnchs; yeah

22:29 DaemonFC; Someone questions Seven about why the Borg didn't assimilate any Kazon.

22:29 schestowitz-TR; it's about tech companies faking their tolerance

22:29 schestowitz-TR; so they can then shame US about such thing

22:29 DaemonFC; She replies that the Kazan were deemed unworthy of assimilation.

22:29 schestowitz-TR; while distracting from themselves

22:29 DaemonFC; The Borg snubbed them because it would put them further away from their goal of perfection.

22:30 schestowitz-TR; it's how companies troll and destabilize communities

22:30 schestowitz; e.g. http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/

22:30 TR Bot; IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights

22:31 activelow; https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-war-nigerian-students-trapped-in-kherson/a-61165474

22:31 TR Bot; war: Nigerian students trapped in Kherson | Africa | DW | 17.03.2022

22:31 DaemonFC; I'm thinking it was an acknowledgment that the first couple of seasons should have had a better villain than Klingons with no honor engaging in various counts of piracy in the Delta Quadrant.

22:31 DaemonFC; That's obviously what they were looking for with the "Kazon". A Delta Quadrant analogue to the Klingons.

22:32 DaemonFC; But the whole thing quickly turned into a trope that could be considered a racist stand in about black stereotypes.

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22:32 techrights_guest|51; Thank you for your article on DDG....I had a sneaking suspicion it was too good to be true!

22:33 DaemonFC; "Look at them, they're so stupid and incompetent. About the only thing they can do is hijack other people's vessels and figure out how to press some of the buttons while they go looting."

22:33 techrights_guest|51; Any other suggestions for effective privacy browsers?

22:33 MinceR; tor browser, maybe

22:34 DaemonFC; The Kazon were never shown doing much of anything except tribal infighting with each other about which one of them had more ships and women.

22:34 TR News; Is Linux Foundation paying spamfarms now? http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162576#comment-33099

22:34 techrights_guest|51; isnt that darkweb?

22:34 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Marketing Fluff | Tux Machines

22:34 DaemonFC; They couldn't even figure out how to deal with Voyager, which was one ship, without Seska filling them in on combat tactics.

22:35 TR News; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162701

22:35 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines

22:35 TR News; Devs of new filesystem try for Linux kernel again Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162702

22:35 TR Bot; Devs of new filesystem try for Linux kernel again | Tux Machines

22:35 bnchs; techrights_guest|51, thats what the media calls it

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22:35 techrights_guest|51; oh k..lol

22:35 schestowitz-TR; techrights_guest|51: gemini :D

22:36 MinceR; it can also access the public web

22:36 bnchs; it's simply a network of free and anonymous websites

22:36 schestowitz-TR; or tor browser :-)

22:36 DaemonFC; Maybe you could compare the Kazon-Nistrim with the Russian attack on Ukraine. Perhaps never has an invasion turned into such a disaster for the aggressor except for the Six Day War.

22:36 techrights_guest|51; thank u ;)

22:36 bnchs; but it gets associated with criminals

22:36 DaemonFC; Putin even has to copy Trump now. With the rallies.

22:36 bnchs; criminals using the tor browser are simply a side-effect of the freedom tor browser gives you

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22:37 DaemonFC; He's having "Russia is fantastic!" rallies where they bus in some sycophants to cheer for Putin while he reads prepared speeches.

22:37 schestowitz-TR; that's like saying people who reject postcards and use envelopes are criminals

22:37 DaemonFC; They're very smart Russians that go to these, you know.

22:37 techrights_guest|51; gemini looks interesting

22:37 bnchs; schestowitz-TR, yes

22:37 DaemonFC; They figured out a very complex chant.... It goes....."Russia! Russia! Russia!".

22:37 XRevan86; DaemonFC: They might even not get fired from their state-owned jobs!

22:37 DaemonFC; It must have taken them weeks to come up with that.

22:37 XRevan86; Lots of benefits

22:38 techrights_guest|51; got it! thnx for advice

22:38 TR News; Upgraded free software push for school IT resources http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162681#comment-33100

22:38 TR Bot; kite: Upgraded Kite Os Suite Released | Tux Machines

22:38 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I'm swapping out my internet trash can.

22:38 DaemonFC; I've had to turn it on and off so many times the button broke.

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22:39 DaemonFC; <XRevan86> DaemonFC: They might even not get fired from their state-owned jobs!

22:39 DaemonFC; With their state paychecks.

22:39 DaemonFC; Which can buy all three bags of sugar left in Russia.

22:40 activelow; don't forget, the Russian and Ukrainian pipelines last were reported to operate at 100% to supply EU with gas

22:40 DaemonFC; I've wondered why Ukraine hasn't dug down to the gas pipes that travel from Russia to Europe and blown them up yet.

22:40 TR News; A whole SEA of BUZZWORDS https://www.cloudsavvyit.com/15561/what-is-agent-based-gitops-and-how-does-it-differ-from-ci-cd/

22:40 TR Bot; What Is Agent-Based GitOps and How Does It Differ From CI/CD? CloudSavvy IT

22:40 activelow; DaemonFC: $$$

22:40 DaemonFC; To force Putin to stop selling them gas if they won't stop buying it themselves.

22:41 XRevan86; DaemonFC: That gas has already been paid for.

22:41 bnchs; ci/cd?

22:41 MinceR; maybe they don't want to alienate the europeans

22:41 DaemonFC; According to the maps I've seen, there's three major pipes from Russia traveling underneath Ukrainian territory.

22:41 MinceR; continuous integration/delivery

22:41 DaemonFC; I'd have arranged to dig and then blow them up.

22:41 TR News; 9 Stunning Icon Themes for Linux to Refresh Your Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162703

22:41 TR Bot; 9 Stunning Icon Themes for Linux to Refresh Your Desktop | Tux Machines

22:41 XRevan86; DaemonFC: yes, without Nordstream-2 Ukraine is essential

22:42 activelow; XRevan86: who paid what for? Ukraine ows Putin a mountain of cash, 25billion was some of the last reports

22:42 DaemonFC; They can deduct it from the reparations he owes them now.

22:44 activelow; btw. i still think every building which caught fire had to be investigated, what caused it, and by whom. doubt it will ever be discussed, what it was.

22:44 TR News; "Chrome OS Flex is a NEW and superfast, Linux-based operating system created by Google. It is a web-first system meaning it focuses on working with web applications." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=avYrlLaMkeg

22:44 TR Bot; Chrome OS Flex | Everything You Need To KNOW! - Invidious

22:45 XRevan86; activelow: Yanukovich-debt is not something Ukraine considers paying.

22:45 TR News; LOLOL. Moving from X to BuzzwordX. This is... "IT"... a whole lot of crap hijacked by charlatans and marketing people. https://www.fosslife.org/moving-it-operations-devops

22:45 TR Bot; Moving from IT Operations to DevOps

22:45 XRevan86; That bribe money was never used to help Ukraine in the first place.

22:46 TR News; openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/11 - Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*) https://dominique.leuenberger.net/blog/2022/03/opensuse-tumbleweed-review-of-the-week-2022-11/

22:46 TR Bot; openSUSE Tumbleweed Review of the week 2022/11 Dominique a.k.a. DimStar (Dim*)

22:46 TR News; Control Your Razer Devices On Linux With OpenRazer & Polychromatic Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162704

22:46 TR Bot; Control Your Razer Devices On Linux With OpenRazer & Polychromatic | Tux Machines

22:46 TR News; Security: Patches, New RNG, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162705

22:46 TR Bot; Security: Patches, New RNG, and More | Tux Machines

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22:47 TR Bot; 12 Best Git GUI Tools and Extensions for Developers and Programmers

22:47 TR News; 12 Best Git GUI Tools and Extensions for Developers and Programmers https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-git-gui-tools-and-extensions-for-developers-and-programmers/

22:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntupit.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-git-gui-tools-and-extensions-for-developers-and-programmers/

22:48 TR News; Mike Blumenkrantz: Sprint https://www.supergoodcode.com/sprint/ "Lavapipe is, of course, the software implementation of Vulkan that ships with Mesa, originally braindumped directly into the repo"

22:48 TR Bot; Sprint Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.

22:50 TR News; "This month has had a big focus on music! I just released a 4 track EP called Rust In Peace, which you can listen to on various popular music platforms and (better still) download it from Bandcamp." https://samthursfield.wordpress.com/2022/03/18/status-update-18-03-2022/

22:50 TR Bot; Status update, 18/03/2022 Sam Thursfield

22:51 TR News; 4 CLI based Linux Performance Monitoring Tools: top, htop, ps and vmstat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162706

22:51 TR Bot; 4 CLI based Linux Performance Monitoring Tools: top, htop, ps and vmstat | Tux Machines

22:52 TR News; "I am also hoping to travel to Italy next month to attend Linux App Summit 2022 in person, so, see you there? Talk submissions for LAS (online + face to face) are open until midnight tonight (18th March), so perhaps its not too late to submit a talk or lightning talk!" https://samthursfield.wordpress.com/2022/03/18/status-update-18-03-2022/

22:52 TR News; Ubuntu 22.04s Default Wallpaper http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162668#comment-33101

22:52 TR Bot; Your First Look at Ubuntu 22.04s Default Wallpaper | Tux Machines

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22:57 matey; i can see at least, why you say kuhn (who is a traitor and backstabber besides) is attacking copyleft

22:58 matey; " These folks argue that copyleft the only form of software licensing that makes any effort to place ethical and moral requirements on FOSS redistributors/reusers has fundamentally ignored the larger problems of society such as human rights abuses and unbridled capitalism." <- from sfc website

22:58 SomeH4x0r; hi matey

22:58 matey; hes attacking freedom 0

22:58 matey; hi SomeH4x0r

22:58 matey; the reason that copyleft doesnt address those things is that it would make the license non-free

22:59 matey; i have no idea who that is-- ive seen them chat here

22:59 matey; chicksahoy claims to be an old regular

22:59 matey; but i dont know if thats true or not

22:59 matey; if anything i believe the overlap is a coincidence

22:59 matey; but its no one i know

11 PM, March 18

23:00 matey; new people come in all the time, they arent all related

23:00 matey; but its as much a mystery to me as it is to you

23:00 matey; the reason that copyleft doesnt address those things is that it would make the license non-free

23:01 matey; and the fsd only deals with issues closely related to limitations on copyright, patents and non-disclosure agreements

23:02 matey; getting rid of freedom 0 or redefining free software to deal with concerns BEST DEALT WITH via something other than licenses is stupid

23:02 matey; and kuhn is a troll

23:02 matey; hes an opportunist that has thrown away his own integrity-- it happens

23:03 matey; even stalin didnt set out to be communisms version of hitler, but thats what he ended up becoming

23:03 matey; he was a mediocre marxist and a political opportunist

23:04 schestowitz-TR; [23:02] <matey> hes an opportunist

23:04 schestowitz-TR; this.

23:04 matey; but he didnt set out to destroy the party-- i think kuhn was also sincere, but hes been corrupted (not by bribes, by his own ambitions)

23:04 schestowitz-TR; he needs to distinsuish himself

23:04 schestowitz-TR; but he squishes himself

23:04 schestowitz-TR; he won't replace RMNS

23:04 matey; right

23:04 schestowitz-TR; as many people thought he was a decade ago

23:04 schestowitz-TR; *would

23:05 matey; the funny thing is, people DO this sort of thing, and it seems too outlandish to be possible

23:05 schestowitz-TR; I really should not type while sipping coffee

23:05 matey; no one would sell out their own movement to become the leader of it

23:05 schestowitz-TR; lots of typos, also if I stand up

23:05 matey; but this happens

23:05 schestowitz-TR; matey: I think I know who you are

23:05 schestowitz-TR; you mentioned "chicksahoy"

23:05 schestowitz-TR; The timing was interesting

23:06 schestowitz-TR; it was some sort of agent provocateur

23:06 matey; you mentioned "chicksahoy" <- i was responding to a question from someh4x0r

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23:06 schestowitz-TR; which I think shows they are worried about something we said

23:06 schestowitz-TR; so they try to manufacture a distraction from it

23:06 schestowitz-TR; to beat a straw man over the head

23:06 matey; schestowitz-TR: i dont know who chicksahoy is

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23:06 schestowitz-TR; it's a troll

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23:06 schestowitz-TR; someone pointed that out to me, thinking the same as me

23:07 schestowitz-TR; the spectacle was quite remarkable

23:07 matey; i know who ahoy is

23:07 schestowitz-TR; how very obvious the objective was

23:07 schestowitz-TR; but anyway, that same topic keeps getting interjected

23:07 schestowitz-TR; never by long timers

23:07 schestowitz-TR; only by new people

23:07 matey; what same topic?

23:08 schestowitz-TR; it started happening last year

23:08 schestowitz-TR; matey: the one that is sure to piss off everyone and is 0% related to tech

23:08 matey; that doesnt narrow it down for me

23:08 matey; i can think of a few

23:09 matey; trans rights (which i support) daemonfcs racism (which is a mixed bag, hes married to a gay minority) and a bunch of things stallman was lynched for

23:09 matey; so i dont know which of these youre referring to

23:10 schestowitz-TR; you had the finger at the right thing

23:10 schestowitz-TR; which I'd rather move on from

23:10 schestowitz-TR; re bkuhn

23:10 schestowitz-TR; and sandler

23:10 matey; youd rather move on from the thing about kuhn?

23:10 schestowitz-TR; they used fsf as a springboard

23:10 schestowitz-TR; emoglen sued them iirc

23:10 matey; yes

23:10 matey; over trademark abuse

23:10 schestowitz-TR; yeah

23:11 schestowitz-TR; to me it seemed fair that he SUED

23:11 matey; though i think he was willing to overlook the trademark similarities

23:11 schestowitz-TR; I mean, the similarity

23:11 matey; but when they started attacking him

23:11 schestowitz-TR; never mind the acronym

23:11 matey; kuhn basically ripped off sflc, which he used to work for

23:11 matey; he had similar issues with the fsf

23:11 matey; and when taken to task for it, he joined a lynch mob against rms

23:11 schestowitz-TR; today I published an RMS talk from 5 years ago

23:11 matey; yeah i saw it

23:12 schestowitz-TR; in min 1-2 IIRC he mentioned moglen

23:12 schestowitz-TR; gives him tons of credit for the movement

23:12 matey; moglen is the coauthor of the gpl

23:12 matey; at least gpl3 but i think with the original gpl rms was the author and moglen just finessed it a bit

23:12 schestowitz; 2 hours ago, LWN: https://lwn.net/Articles/888453/

23:12 TR Bot; Copyleft Won't Solve All Problems, Just Some of Them [LWN.net]

23:12 schestowitz; LWN does amplify FSF to be fair

23:12 matey; either way, rms and mogel are the coauthors of the gpl

23:13 schestowitz; but SFC is some sort of protestant resistance

23:13 schestowitz; with low blows

23:13 matey; im not sure if the fsf is worth amplifying anymore. i dont only speak for myself either

23:13 schestowitz; and I don't think that advances software freedom

23:13 matey; sfc is corrupt

23:13 schestowitz; sfc is not corrupt

23:13 matey; an organisation that leads with lies is a disservice and should have its charter revoked

23:13 schestowitz; it is very problematic

23:13 matey; we dont have to agree

23:13 schestowitz; I can think of more corrupt institutions

23:13 matey; problematic is kuhns favourite word

23:13 schestowitz; osi and lf became miles worse

23:13 schestowitz; sfc is provoking

23:13 matey; its an understatement

23:14 matey; sfc is not far behind

23:14 schestowitz; yeah

23:14 schestowitz; getting there

23:14 DaemonFC; I just bought a chest freezer.

23:14 schestowitz; LWN: "Over on the Software Freedom Conservancy blog, Bradley M. Kuhn considers the question of the interaction between copyleft and the "ethical source" effort that seeks to use copyleft-like licensing to bring about additional changes"

23:14 matey; if osi is the trojan army and fsf is the city then sfc is the horse

23:14 schestowitz; they already hired some anti-Linus trolls

23:14 DaemonFC; I can only ever just barely get my regular freezer to close and it's so annoying.

23:14 matey; at least in terms of evil by degree

23:14 schestowitz; and even anti-RMS

23:14 schestowitz; and you know which companies they got paid by

23:14 DaemonFC; I'd like to stock up on more food. It seems like people are panic buying freezers.

23:14 matey; my only interest in what lwn says is if they support this ethical source farce or they dont

23:15 DaemonFC; The price on Amazon has doubled lately.

23:15 TR News; Jasems Ekosphere: KStars v3.5.8 Released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162707

23:15 matey; brb

23:15 TR Bot; Jasem's Ekosphere: KStars v3.5.8 Released | Tux Machines

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23:15 DaemonFC; It hasn't done that at the Home Depot, yet.

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23:15 matey; you were saying

23:15 DaemonFC; Putin is telling Russians not to panic about food shortages.

23:15 DaemonFC; I'll bet that helps.

23:16 DaemonFC; The Moscow Times showed pictures of Russian store shelves. Barely any food left on them.

23:16 TR News; The criminals from Microsoft attack Linux. Of course they had to. Can't leave us alone. https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/microsoft-announce-xbox-cloud-gaming-for-steam-deck-with-edge

23:16 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/microsoft-announce-xbox-cloud-gaming-for-steam-deck-with-edge

23:16 TR Bot; announce Xbox Cloud Gaming for Steam Deck with Edge (Beta) | GamingOnLinux

23:16 DaemonFC; When there were gaps on the shelves in the US, Trump said don't panic, and within an hour everyone in Waukegan rushed Walmart and there was absolutely no food left at all.

23:16 DaemonFC; None.

23:16 DaemonFC; Not a bag of beans.

23:16 DaemonFC; Not a loaf of bread.

23:16 DaemonFC; Not a box of spaghetti.

23:16 DaemonFC; Nothing.

23:17 DaemonFC; Same thing throughout the country.

23:17 matey; sfc attacked rms-- that was an attack on the movement itself

23:17 DaemonFC; Aldi started rationing, limiting people to like 2 meat items per shopping trip, four cans of vegetables, one loaf of bread, a gallon of milk.

23:17 matey; now kuhn is using sfc to attack the fsd

23:17 DaemonFC; It was absolutely horrible.

23:18 matey; the entire concept of ethical source can only be written in crayon. legally its one of the stupidest ideas on earth

23:18 activelow; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_gas_disputes

23:18 TR Bot; RussiaUkraine gas disputes - Wikipedia

23:18 matey; so either kuhn is an idiot, or hes attacking free software with nonsense.

23:18 matey; deliberately.

23:19 schestowitz-TR; remember who funds them

23:19 schestowitz-TR; and why

23:19 schestowitz-TR; or what for

23:19 matey; ethics should be fought for with something other than licenses-- because all youll get from ethical licenses is bad ethics and useless licenses and nonfree software

23:19 matey; yeah who funds them matters

23:19 activelow; minor correction, it isn't clarified how much cash it is. business model: buy for 50, sell for 250.

23:19 matey; though if they stop fundning them, kuhn doesnt go back to having integrity

23:20 matey; hes blown any chance of being trusted as leader by anyone with common sense

23:20 matey; anyone trusting him now is one of these: an idiot, an opportunist, or someone who just doesnt care about ethics or honest

23:20 matey; but one of those

23:21 matey; or maybe theyre not paying attention. lets be entirely fair.

23:21 DaemonFC; The closest thing we've ever had to a Communist-style famine happened under Donald Trump.

23:21 DaemonFC; I hope nobody forgets that quickly.

23:21 -tomaw/Wallops-The #LibrePlanet 2022 conference starts tomorrow! Register at https://u.fsf.org/3hs to enjoy the conference live! #LibrePlanet https://status.fsf.org/attachment/3658397

23:22 DaemonFC; It was hard to find ANYTHING to eat for about 6 weeks.

23:22 TR News; Truly bizarre idea from an IBM-funded shill, Timothy Prickett Morgan https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/03/18/why-nvidia-should-acquire-suse/

23:22 TR Bot; Why Nvidia Should Acquire SUSE

23:22 DaemonFC; Then for months you didn't necessarily find all the ingredients you needed to make a particular meal, but weren't in immediate danger of starvation at least.

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23:23 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I had to get creative for a long time with what to make fo dinner, but I got us by.

23:23 DaemonFC; I had a wall of canned goods in the motel room we were living in. 2020 was awful.

23:23 schestowitz-TR; kevingranade: copyleft.conf

23:23 schestowitz-TR; * matey

23:24 schestowitz-TR; error: conf file missing integrity

23:24 schestowitz-TR; please try remove line 1: microsoft token

23:24 matey; i dont doubt that microsoft has a hand in this

23:24 schestowitz-TR; gulag also

23:24 schestowitz-TR; and slaesforce

23:24 matey; that too

23:24 schestowitz-TR; the ice companies

23:24 matey; definitely

23:25 schestowitz-TR; ice ice baby kuhn

23:25 matey; my only quibble is whether kuhn could ever be trusted again

23:25 schestowitz-TR; ethics

23:25 schestowitz-TR; fuck off, brad

23:25 schestowitz-TR; taking ice money

23:25 matey; i wouldnt trust him again if we all lived to be 100

23:25 schestowitz-TR; and telling me about ethics

23:26 schestowitz; "In his view, copyleft and ethical software are not really compatible, even though many in free-software world (including Kuhn) are highly sympathetic to the goals, especially in light of the recent invasion of Ukraine by Russia."

23:26 schestowitz; https://lwn.net/Articles/888453/

23:26 TR Bot; Copyleft Won't Solve All Problems, Just Some of Them [LWN.net]

23:26 schestowitz; "Ethical"...

23:26 schestowitz; corporations can embrace this if it helps attack FS

23:27 schestowitz; then they will dump "ethical" too

23:27 schestowitz; they eats their own trolls, eventually..

23:27 matey; fucking over the fsd isnt going to help ukraine, anyone that thinks so is high

23:27 matey; open source eats their own

23:27 TR News; SUSE/OpenSUSE Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162708

23:27 TR Bot; SUSE/OpenSUSE Leftovers | Tux Machines

23:28 matey; and sfc is using open source tactics

23:29 schestowitz-TR; "open"..

23:29 schestowitz-TR; ."source"

23:29 schestowitz-TR; (sometimes)

23:29 schestowitz-TR; sometimes open

23:29 matey; twisting things around in an opportunistic fashion to dislodge obstacles to their own ascension

23:29 schestowitz-TR; sometimes source

23:29 schestowitz-TR; some of it

23:29 schestowitz-TR; pinky promise

23:29 schestowitz-TR; ukraine shows how countries that use Windows get burned

23:29 schestowitz-TR; literally

23:29 schestowitz-TR; sjvn is 90% turncoat now

23:29 matey; ukraine should absolutely use free software

23:29 schestowitz-TR; pushing this diea that micreosoft is security auirthority

23:30 schestowitz-TR; that looks to 'save' ukraine

23:30 matey; if they use "ethical source" it will (like github) only lead back to microsoft again

23:30 schestowitz-TR; in zdnet

23:30 DaemonFC; XRevan86, Probably the safest will be the police, because the government needs them to protect itself from the people it is failing. Some things are the same everywhere. Right?

23:30 matey; s/ethical source/hypocritical farce/

23:30 matey; hypocritical source

23:31 matey; sjvn is 90% turncoat now <- whats the other 10? useless to both sides?

23:31 matey; 90% turncoat and 10% useless

23:32 matey; or 100% useless to free software

23:32 DaemonFC; Freezers actually don't add much to your electric bill.

23:32 DaemonFC; Maybe $3 a month.

23:32 schestowitz-TR; yes, I said hypocritical

23:32 DaemonFC; Cheap hedge against the stores running out of food.

23:32 schestowitz-TR; in the video today

23:32 matey; if i liked him less, i would say hes the kuhn of the tech press

23:32 schestowitz-TR; sjvn occasionally writes something good

23:32 matey; but i like kuhn even less than sjvn

23:32 schestowitz-TR; like recommending something community

23:32 matey; sjvn occasionally writes something good <- maybe he has a ghostwriter, or just forgets to sell out sometimes

23:32 schestowitz-TR; a lot of his posts are "Drone" posts

23:33 schestowitz-TR; obligatory puff pieces for his owners and clients

23:33 schestowitz-TR; (zdnet's)

23:33 XRevan86; DaemonFC: There's also the National Guard, but yea.

23:33 schestowitz-TR; lf, oin, icbm, microsoft...

23:33 DaemonFC; <XRevan86> DaemonFC: There's also the National Guard, but yea.

23:33 DaemonFC; For some reason, our government hesitates to bring out the National Guard when there are riots.

23:33 DaemonFC; They're content to let the police handle it.

23:33 DaemonFC; It makes it look like things are more under control I guess.

23:34 DaemonFC; When you bring out the military, usually what ends up happening is that they start killing people, and then it leads to even more of an uprising.

23:34 matey; if putin destroyed zdnet i doubt one important story would be missed

23:34 DaemonFC; The cities are burned.

23:34 DaemonFC; More damage than if you let the police deal with it.

23:34 matey; granted id rather he stop his reign of terror, but as long as hes on one we can be hypothetical

23:34 DaemonFC; You can see the scars of the riots in the 1960s in Chicago.

23:35 DaemonFC; They brought out the National Guard to put down black people rioting in Chicago and Detroit.

23:35 DaemonFC; It didn't go well.

23:35 DaemonFC; Most of the places where there's no building there, but you can tell there used to be, burned down in the riots.

23:35 DaemonFC; The National Guard coming in escalated the violence.

23:35 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: don't go there..

23:36 XRevan86; DaemonFC: There haven't been riots, but Putin is determined to crush any protest as if it's the most vicious riot ever.

23:36 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162709

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23:36 DaemonFC; What ends up happening is that there's tit-for-tat exchanges and people die.

23:36 DaemonFC; <XRevan86> DaemonFC: There haven't been riots, but Putin is determined to crush any protest as if it's the most vicious riot ever.

23:36 DaemonFC; There were more lootings than "riots" in 2020 here.

23:37 DaemonFC; Trump blustered about sending in the military, but never did.

23:37 TR News; "I'm happy to announce the Debian Clojure Team will hold a remote sprint from May 13th to May 14th 2022." https://veronneau.org/debian-clojure-team-sprint-may-13-14th-2022.html

23:37 TR Bot; Louis-Philippe Vronneau - Debian Clojure Team Sprint --- May 13-14th 2022

23:37 DaemonFC; He hid inside an underground bunker and the press made fun of him for doing it.

23:37 matey; funnily enough there was a powerful gang in russia in the 1990s

23:37 matey; they handled things like restaurants typically-- a bit like the mafia

23:37 TR News; "Registration for DebConf22 is now open. The the 23rd edition of DebConf will take place from July 17th to 24th, 2022 at the Innovation and Training Park (ITP) in Prizren, Kosovo, and will be preceded by DebCamp, from July 10th to 16th." https://bits.debian.org/2022/03/debconf22-registration-and-call-for-proposals-are-open.html

23:37 TR Bot; DebConf22 registration and call for proposals are open! - Bits from Debian

23:38 matey; one day they finally killed a journalist, and that was what finally got the goverment to break the gang up

23:38 DaemonFC; People were comparing it to the last days of Hitler.

23:38 DaemonFC; Underground in a bunker losing his mind.

23:38 matey; or so i understand, im sure its not quite as simple as that

23:38 matey; today you can open a restaurant without being shaken down

23:38 DaemonFC; Hitler could have gotten out of Germany had he left immediately.

23:38 matey; you only have to worry about putler now

23:39 DaemonFC; He could have bribed people to get him to South America with a bunch of other Nazis. Taken a bag of cash with him.

23:39 DaemonFC; Not German Marks obviously.

23:39 DaemonFC; There's a conspiracy theory that says that's what happened.

23:40 DaemonFC; And so that people wouldn't go looking for him, he had a body double murdered and burned instead.

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23:40 schestowitz-TR; [23:39] <DaemonFC> There's a conspiracy theory that says that's what happened.

23:41 schestowitz-TR; GBI documents mentioned this too

23:41 schestowitz-TR; they did not say that it happened

23:41 schestowitz-TR; but that it was rermoately plsusiblke

23:41 schestowitz-TR; iirc, the soviets got to his body first

23:41 matey; schestowitz-TR: you know who kuhn REALLY reminds me of

23:41 matey; more and more

23:41 schestowitz-TR; so fbi and OSS (pre-CIA/NSA) had no way to be certain what had happened

23:41 matey; looking at this crap: https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2022/mar/17/copyleft-ethical-source-putin-ukraine/

23:41 TR Bot; Copyleft Won't Solve All Problems, Just Some of Them - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy

23:41 schestowitz-TR; and then came operation papercliup

23:41 matey; this is like "linux sucks" except its "copyleft sucks"

23:42 schestowitz-TR; hahaha

23:42 schestowitz-TR; yes, you are on to something

23:42 matey; seriosuly hes such a troll

23:42 schestowitz-TR; let's attack this thing I claim to love

23:42 schestowitz-TR; but hide it just enough

23:42 matey; the thing is

23:42 schestowitz-TR; as a "joke"

23:42 schestowitz-TR; of "for humour"

23:42 matey; he probably DOES love copyleft

23:42 matey; just in a really fucked up way

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23:42 schestowitz-TR; btw, lunduke self-nuked

23:42 schestowitz-TR; what did the mostn damage was,

23:43 matey; i hope he used a real nuke

23:43 schestowitz-TR; him going on covid rants

23:43 matey; and far enough away from civilians of course

23:43 schestowitz-TR; there is fallout

23:43 schestowitz-TR; anywaty, he isolated himself

23:43 schestowitz-TR; not much fallout

23:43 matey; lunduke will be back

23:43 matey; hes like china

23:43 schestowitz-TR; he deleted ltos of his accounts, even his writings and videos

23:43 matey; if you stop watching, it only gets worse

23:44 matey; his website is still up, surely

23:44 schestowitz-TR; techrights is a longtime survivor of these things

23:44 schestowitz-TR; they tried many times to cancel

23:44 schestowitz-TR; about 6 anti-Techrights web sites set up over the years

23:44 schestowitz-TR; reddit troll armies

23:44 schestowitz-TR; impersonstors etc

23:44 *kevingranade (~sid297678@54ft5ertucjhs.irc) has left #techrights

23:44 schestowitz-TR; and yet we're still here

23:45 matey; even rms is still here

23:45 matey; hes just too quiet

23:45 schestowitz-TR; wikileaks got 'canceled' around 2017

23:45 schestowitz-TR; rms cannot be very prominent atm

23:45 immibis; matey: AGPL seems to address unbridled capitalism in practice, corporations don't even want to touch it with long sticks

23:45 matey; didnt wikileaks attack its own founder though?

23:45 schestowitz-TR; but he's still appreciated by the fsf board

23:45 schestowitz-TR; they just cannot say such stuff publicly as much anymore

23:45 matey; matey: AGPL seems to address unbridled capitalism in practice, corporations don't even want to touch it with long sticks <- immibis yes it does seem that way

23:46 schestowitz-TR; matey: no, wikileaks never attacked assange

23:46 matey; gpl used to accomplish that (still does to some degree)

23:46 immibis; btw the thing about irrelevant topics is that people with these opinions only talk in bad faith and will take over any venue that allows them

23:46 matey; <schestowitz-TR> matey: no, wikileaks never attacked assange <- not even some of them?

23:46 schestowitz-TR; some moles like "balls" who were inside wikileaks attacked assange

23:46 schestowitz-TR; and of course sigi the pedo from iceland

23:46 immibis; the old saying is that if you let nazis into your bar, soon you have a nazi bar

23:46 schestowitz-TR; he turned out to be an fbi mole

23:46 matey; btw the thing about irrelevant topics is that people with these opinions only talk in bad faith <- i dont agree, i believe there are exceptions

23:46 matey; immibis: but where it starts to become serious policy discussion (like with sfc right now) i agree

23:47 matey; and libreplanet too

23:47 matey; libreplanet is the avenue through which all this stuff marches straight into the fsf

23:47 schestowitz-TR; fwiw, the fsf colletively never attacked rms

23:47 matey; it will be its downfall

23:47 schestowitz-TR; only a few people in the board did

23:47 schestowitz-TR; they are no longer in the fsf

23:47 schestowitz-TR; mattl is also gone

23:47 matey; the fsf colletively never attacked rms <- thats true, but in a way that is almost untrue (its a technicality)

23:48 matey; they are no longer in the fsf <- i dont believe this, i dont think the evidence even shows it to be true

23:48 schestowitz-TR; they have no substantial hold on the FSF anyway

23:48 schestowitz-TR; they ruined themselves, too

23:48 schestowitz-TR; they thought being splinter groups would help them

23:48 matey; some of them will be back, mark my words.

23:49 schestowitz-TR; gnu guix brushed them aside

23:49 schestowitz-TR; (last year)

23:49 matey; that isnt even remotely true

23:49 schestowitz-TR; and mister googlgl-goo is trying to become a teacher now

23:49 matey; no one who betrayed rms via guix is gone

23:49 schestowitz-TR; because he had no credibility in the community

23:49 schestowitz-TR; only in sfc

23:49 immibis; matey: i don't think people talking about the SFC are nazis. people talking about black people being criminals are most likely proto-nazis

23:49 matey; and mister googlgl-goo <- this one is beyond my ability to guess who it is

23:49 schestowitz-TR; which is bascially in "cashing in" mode now (Salesforce, Gulag, Microsloth)

23:50 schestowitz-TR; matey: in guix they were 'demoted'

23:50 matey; matey: i don't think people talking about the SFC are nazis <- nor do i

23:50 schestowitz-TR; and it was made to seem wilful

23:50 schestowitz-TR; because it's better 'optics'

23:50 matey; matey: in guix they were 'demoted' <- ive seen zero evidence of this

23:50 matey; on the contrary, more recently ive seen the same people heading guix publicly

23:51 matey; where does it say they were demoted?

23:51 matey; the same people are still at the top / front / whatever

23:51 schestowitz-TR; go to their site

23:51 schestowitz-TR; some person called "ephraism" iirc was made a lead

23:51 matey; gnu.org/software/guix ?

23:51 matey; guix.org ?

23:51 schestowitz-TR; I will find it.

23:52 schestowitz; https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2022/gnu-guix-maintainer-rotation/

23:52 TR Bot; GNU Guix maintainer rotation 2022 Blog GNUGuix

23:52 matey; some person called "ephraism" iirc was made a lead <- my feeling is, this is similar to nat friedman stepping down from github

23:52 schestowitz; "For some time already, Ludovic and Marius have voiced their desire to step down from the Guix maintainers collective"

23:52 matey; its still github

23:52 schestowitz; yes, but not a new issue

23:52 schestowitz; "Efraim has demonstrated traits we value for a co-maintainer, such as good communication and collaboration abilities, values that align well with those of the GNU project and overall a person you'd like to hang out with at FOSDEM :-)."

23:52 schestowitz; I know nothing about him

23:52 matey; Efraim has demonstrated traits <- good to know, ill look into him

23:53 schestowitz; https://ci.guix.gnu.org/jobset/guix-master

23:53 TR Bot; guix-master

23:53 matey; of course gnome did the same thing

23:53 schestowitz; in-house CI

23:53 matey; and gnome always comes back for another backstab later

23:53 matey; no matter how many people step down

23:53 schestowitz; btw, mcgovern out

23:53 schestowitz; bully db out

23:53 matey; yeah i know

23:53 schestowitz; and their OSI sidekick

23:53 matey; and ballmer is gone from microsoft

23:53 schestowitz; carlo et al are chained by microsoft

23:53 matey; the angle i look at it from was this

23:54 schestowitz; and his friend stefanpo

23:54 matey; when neil and molly used gnome to attack free software

23:54 schestowitz; they are orgs in disarray

23:54 matey; the organisations did nothing

23:54 schestowitz; miles worse than fsf after the... aftermath

23:54 matey; when the worst leaders and traitors stepped down

23:54 matey; they quietly went back to business as usual

23:54 schestowitz; they are like russian tanks

23:54 matey; thats not good enough

23:54 schestowitz; fsf is kiev

23:54 schestowitz; and microsoft is pution

23:54 schestowitz; sending in armored vehicles and tanks

23:54 schestowitz; only to go up in flames

23:55 schestowitz; the metaphor involved dealth violence

23:55 schestowitz; so I would not 'meme' it

23:55 matey; gnome will never stop attacking us-- they even attack other free software projects

23:55 schestowitz; "the putin" (microsoft) thought it would be a quick triumph over fsf

23:55 matey; completely unrelated to neil and molly, theyre just really bad

23:55 schestowitz; and underestimated the pushback

23:55 schestowitz; ibm is in it too

23:56 schestowitz; and gulag of course

23:56 schestowitz; people are NOT dumb enough

23:56 matey; roy you write about reputation washing, greenwashing, openwashing

23:56 schestowitz; their lies-filled letter backfired

23:56 matey; this is resignationwashing

23:56 schestowitz; and said NOTHING about the real issues

23:56 schestowitz; matey: yes, that too

23:56 schestowitz; resignationwashing\

23:56 schestowitz; I like that

23:56 matey; what if kuhn steps down from sfc?

23:56 schestowitz; miguel de icazas is a recent one

23:56 schestowitz; 49 year old

23:56 schestowitz; to "spend time with family"

23:57 schestowitz; piff off

23:57 schestowitz; his kid is like 12 and goes to school

23:57 schestowitz; what's miguel going to do all day? eat cheetos?

23:57 matey; with his family

23:57 matey; little britain had a running sketch with a disgraced politician who kept giving speeches about spending more time with family

23:57 schestowitz; kuhn is one of two

23:57 matey; its such a cliche

23:58 matey; yeah and sandler

23:58 schestowitz; his brooklyn area sidekick has not much face-saving

23:58 schestowitz; except the "not being male" thing

23:58 matey; might as well throw in deb too

23:58 DaemonFC; If you resign you get a bigger severance package.

23:58 schestowitz; though I like her talks

23:58 DaemonFC; If we fire you, well....

23:58 schestowitz; DaemonFC: usually the opposite

23:58 schestowitz; so you try hard to compel them to fire you

23:58 matey; hitler turned nasty before his rise to power

23:58 schestowitz; and then pay compensation

23:58 schestowitz; depends wherew

23:59 matey; stalin turned nasty WITH his rise to power

23:59 matey; gradually

23:59 matey; as a result of it

23:59 matey; he wasnt a great guy to start with

23:59 schestowitz; linus is camera-shy

23:59 matey; but he wasnt a monster

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23:59 schestowitz; I will give you a chalolenge

23:59 schestowitz; find me the last time mtorvalds did a full interview with the press

23:59 schestowitz; I can barely think of us

23:59 schestowitz; not just answering one question over emil

23:59 matey; but the government became more important than its own purpose

23:59 schestowitz; but a full, proper interview

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