● 03.09.18
●● When Technical Projects Become Politics
Posted in BSD, GNU/Linux at 10:50 pm by Dr. Roy Schestowitz
10 years ago: BSD vs. GPL: But Why Are PEOPLE Fighting???
Summary: Transcript of Bryan Lunduke’s show titled “Divisive Politics are destroying Open Source”
An anonymous source prepared the following transcript of this week’s show from Bryan Lunduke, a former Microsoft employee who nowadays worries about Microsoft entryism in Free software. “I have done my best for accuracy,” our source told us, “and Lunduke speaks clearly and uses great equipment…”
This relates somewhat to this new post (hours old) which says a lot about the FreeBSD situation (mentioned here a few times before, albeit only in our daily links).
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The Lunduke Show
2018-03-05
https://youtu.be/s087Ca9JnYw
http://lunduke.com/2018/03/05/divisive-politics-are-destroying-open-source/
Divisive Politics are destroying Open Source
[00:00] Divisive politics are destroying open source. Not just in
general but specific projects. There are specific sets of divisive
politics and policies being enacted that are causing many open source
projects to just break in half. To just destroy themselves and eat
themselves from the inside out and I should provide a warning. This
might make you grumpy. Honestly this made me grumpy. This is the third
time I've tried to record this video. And every time I've gone through
it I've stopped myself. I've made myself stop because I've found myself
getting grumpy at this. It makes me upset. People are not treating
each other well and it makes me grumpy. And I want to be as relaxed and
reasonable and straightforward and factual about this as I can be. And
hopefully third time's the charm for recording this on that front. Now,
this shouldn't need to be said but as we go through this today the facts
that I present are simply facts. I'm going to attempt to provide you
with enough detailed information who said what roughly when what exact
words were said et cetera that it will be very simple for you to use any
Internet search engine to verify the things that I'm posting here that
I'm showing you what are facts. Don't take my word for it feel free to
prove it for yourself by just looking around and there should be enough
information for that. That said, the opinions that I am expressing are
mine and mine alone. The Lorax of Dr. Seuss speaks for the trees,
Lunduke doesn't really speak for anybody but Lunduke. My ideas are my
own and the fact that I need to say that is ridiculous but I do feel
like I need to say it. Also, I'm going to go on the assumption that me,
you, anyone watching this video is going to assume that freedom is a
good thing. We're going to go on that. We're going to stick to that
all the way through the end.
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All right. Let's get into this. Let's set some ground rules and this
is just as much for me as it is for you guys. Again, I, last time I
tried to record this I got close to the end and I just got mad. There
is so much stuff happening that made me fundamentally upset that I just
I had to breathe, stop recording, and move forward. So, ground rules.
No political ideology here. It doesn't matter what political party I,
you, or anyone else involved belongs to. Doesn't matter if what the
political goals are left, right, up, down, none of that matters here.
We're just going to be talking about using political things, things that
tend to be politically charged to divide and control us. That's what
we're going to be talking about here. And we're going to go on a simple
assumption. Everyone is awesome until proven otherwise. This is
essentially an extension of the Bill and Ted credo of be excellent to
each other. It doesn't matter what your ethnicity is, doesn't matter
what your gender is, doesn't matter what your religion is, doesn't matte
what part of town you came from, none of that matters. You're awesome
unless you do something that proves that you're not awesome. Just going
with that flat out there's no room for racism or sexism or any of that
around here. Or to put it another way I don't who you are i don't care
where you're from, what you did as long as you love me.
All right let's start out with FreeBSD's code of conduct what we're
going to do here is I've narrowed this down to three examples. I'm
trying to make this as succinct as I can because we can ramble about
this for days. Three examples within the last year so recent examples
that have specifically targeted and impacted in a very negative way the
open source world. Open source, free software, free culture et cetera.
Specifically causing an issue within that area. Now these sorts of
issues are impacting large, huge portions of the technology industry
right now
[05:00] and well beyond. This is not isolated but I live in the open
source world and many of you do as well and so I can talk a little more
knowledgeably about how that's impacting us in this world. If you are
not part of the open source world and you simply got here because of the
general topic this is still valuable information for knowing what not to
do whether you're in other parts of the tech world or within the fast
food industry. I mean it all kind of applies.
All right. Let's talk about FreeBSD's code of conduct and hug-gate.
Now the short, short version because many of you know all about this and
are probably sick of hearing about it because it's one of the more
recent examples. FreeBSD, a major operating system, created a new code
of conduct. In fact this code of conduct started being created roughly
three years ago and they actually hired consultants to come in and help
them with it and in the end they literally copied a code of conduct with
almost no changes at all like a few words from a web site called Geek
Feminism. Now that particular code of conduct really appears to be
designed to be divisive and inflammatory. There are some good things in
it and you know what we're going to go through a few things really
quickly here but it would be impossible to read this in its entirety and
not know that you were going to have people who were uncomfortable with
it. It's not a simple code of conduct it really gets specific about
what is allowed and what is not allowed which is what resulted in
hug-gate and for those of you not familiar with hug-gate the FreeBSD
code of conduct effectively bans the use of virtual hugs without prior
written consent. In other words I cannot send you an animated GIF of a
teddy bear offering you a hug without first asking you would you mind if
I sent you an animated GIF of a teddy bear offering you a hug and you'd
have to say, yes, I would enjoy an animated GIF as such and then I could
send it to you that's crazy and I made fun of it and that caused a lot
of people to get very very angry which I will talk about shortly.
But I first want to mention some specific tidbits from the code of
conduct because it relates to what the actual goals are for the code of
conduct. Let's read through this. Here's an overall description from
this. This is a direct copy of what they're trying to make sure is
prohibited comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to
gender, gender identity and expression, sexual orientation, disability,
mental illness, neurodiversity, physical appearance, body size, age,
race, or religion. All right. I don't like oppression I like to be
nice to people we'll just let that sit right there and we'll move on.
There was a huge list of things that were outlawed specifically within
this code of conduct like hugs I'm going to specifically talk about
three that I actually thought were pretty reasonable I don't really
think they need to be included in a code of conduct because they're so
gosh darned obvious. However I'm going to list them here for very very
specific dramatic effect in just a moment. Here's three items you
cannot do according to the code of conduct: threats of violence, that's
pretty straight forward, incitement of violence towards any individual
including encouraging a person to commit suicide or to engage in
self-harm deliberate intimidation. All right. That's fair. Well if
you're making such things where would you be able to make such those
things well it goes on. This code of conduct applies to all spaces used
by the FreeBSD project including our mailing lists IRC channels and
social media both online and off. Anyone who is found to violate this
code of conduct may be sanctioned or expelled from FreeBSD
Project-controlled spaces at the discretion of the FreeBSD code of
conduct committee. Cool. Since this code of conduct is in place and
people have been pretty doggone pissed off about it I mean contributors
and people who donate money and time have been leaving in droves and
yelling about the problems with this and all sorts of things but since
this is in place clearly it would be enforced well here's three examples
that I thought were somewhat interesting the top left one for those of
you watching the video version is from a guy named Benno Rice he is an
elected member of FreeBSD core team and he's also one of the driving
forces behind a lot of this including basically he's been the public
spokesman for this code of conduct. He got into some expletive filled
tirades about me online and it culminated in him creating a ASCII art
picture of a tombstone saying rest in peace Bryan Lunduke. I assume
that's a death threat I've never had an ASCII art death threat posted on
Twitter before but I assume that's what that is.
[10:00] There's also one of the longest term code contributers,
Poul-Henning Kamp, making statements on the FreeBSD mailing list which
were leaked online because so many people were pissed off about all this
happening there's just leaks happening right and left and yeah I know
where all the bodies are buried now. Making statements like commiters
whine about losing their male white privileges that's racism and sexism
he's being derogatory against white males that's just what he's doing
right there. That's racist and sexist so both of those individuals
should be immediately kicked out of the FreeBSD project based on the
FreeBSD code of conduct. Also Freebsdgirl, Randi Harper, has gone on
expletive filled tirades about all this as well I picked one that had
the least amount of vulgarity in it. I am a white dude that doesn't
understand why some people might be uncomfortable and I don't care to
learn either. Instead I'm going to sit on my pulpit and talk about how
silly people are that they don't want me to virtually touch them. I
chose the I chose the least offensive one of hers but she did a lot of
things like that too. So, now she's not a current active contributor
but she still has a FreeBSD e-mail account all that sort of stuff. She
should have all of that revoked as well. It should be noted that
nothing has happened. These people still have all of their access they
have not been reprimanded in any way in fact this means that the FreeBSD
elected officials are allowed specifically by the FreeBSD core team and
code of conduct blah blah blah team to make death threats. That's
totally ok with them. If it weren't ok they would do something about
it. Also FreeBSD key members are allowed to make racist and sexist
comments. If it weren't allowed they would have stopped it. Which is
kind of makes you cock your head to the side a little bit, because and
here's a quote from the FreeBSD code of conduct it is about ensuring a
safe, harassment-free environment for all and to ensure that everyone
feels welcome. Well they clearly don't want you if you're me or a white
person or a male person. They've made that very, very crystal clear.
They will either threaten to kill you or just speak derogatorily about
your gender or race. So it's not about ensuring a safe, harassment-free
environment. It's simply not. It has to be about something else
because if it was about ensuring that those individuals, those key
individuals, would be kicked out or at the very least punished.
Something. A statement would have to be made, something. Nothing has
been done. Nothing. Therefore, it's not about that. This is what
causes me to just be extraordinarily confused and get frustrated because
I look at the FreeBSD project and FreeBSD is an important project. Do
you use the Internet? Odds are something that you use runs FreeBSD. A
server, a router, something runs FreeBSD and it does a darn good job of
it. FreeBSD is a critical part of our modern infrastructure and when
the core project behind it is dividing itself literally down the middle
and it's just ripping itself asunder with this just awfulness this
divisiveness you want there to at least be a good darn reason for it.
Well it's not to ensure a safe, harassment-free environment. In fact
some of those people who issued death threats at me screamed vulgarity
at me, racist sexist comments also walk around if you go over on the
FreeBSD "reddit" and other places making statements and podcasts and the
like along the lines of if you're against this new code of conduct well
it's clearly because you're a bad person who probably wants to rape
people that's their response. It's horrible. It's horrible what
they're doing and I don't know why, but it's not about ensuring a safe
environment and it's not the only example if this was an isolated
incident this topic would be done right. We would just be like all
those crazy BSD folks they're ripping their project apart and that would
be a bummer because FreeBSD is really great. I don't use it on my
desktop but it is a great system and it would be sad, but this extends
throughout the open source world. Let's talk about Node.js briefly to
catch you up on this this happened last July. It started last July,
July 2017. One of the more prolific and prominent Node.js developers
posted a
[15:00] link on Twitter, and I'm not joking here, posted a link on
Twitter to an article written by a professor at a college talking about
neuro- actually wrote an article called "The Neurodiversity Case for
Free Speech" and it's an article about free speech on college campuses
and how it impacts or could be tailored to people with various
neurological issues whether they're on the autism spectrum et cetera.
Right? Kind of an interesting article, not something I know a ton about
so I can't really speak knowledgeably on it but it doesn't seem terribly
controversial either. He didn't really make any controversial statement
around it in fact the person who the Node.js developer who posted this
to Twitter simply said and I quote the full thing here "if you've never
considered the potential downsides of codes of conduct, here's a good
place to start". This is it. No profanity. No racism. No sexism. No
attacking anyone personally. Nothing. Well, in response to that an
individual from the node.js board issued a complaint about this person.
They then got a vote going to expel this person from the project
entirely and this is a very prominent person within the project. The
vote failed by one vote and he was allowed to stay by one vote. It get
a little bit weirder. Now Node.js Foundation if you're trying to think
to yourself what's the organization like at the Node.js Foundation.
Well, the executive director is a guy named Mark Hinkel. Mark Hinkel
previously was a marketing bigwig over at the Linux Foundation ok fair
enough so this is a Linux Foundation connection. Oh more so than that
the Node.js Foundation is the Linux Foundation. In fact if you go to
any of those Node.js pages go look at the bottom and it reads directly
copyright 2017 The Linux Foundation. The Linux Foundation helped to
organize and basically sits as the mommy and the daddy of the Node.js
Foundation. The Linux Foundations the pappa. This is part of the Linux
Foundation. Ok, so that was happening at the Linux Foundation now at
that point you could write all this off and say ok it was of one person
who got upset about something kind of innocuous someone else did they
did a vote and nothing happened right at that point you could walk away
and say no big whoop. Except some of the board members over at the
Node.js Foundation which again is part of the Linux Foundation were so
upset that this person was not kicked out that they felt that him
posting things that ran contrary to their code of conduct were creating
an unsafe work environment they forked node.js entirely and created this
project called the IO project and moved away from it entirely. So then
this whole project just started being torn asunder by this and it gets
even more interesting one of the individuals who on the board of Node.js
who made these complaints who voted to get this guy ripped out of there
is named Ashely Williams. Ashley Williams posted the following tweets
over on tweeter [sic] "never underestimate the wrath of a mildly
inconvenienced white dude". All right that's racist and sexist but you
know you can put up with a little racism and sexism I guess from time to
time. She continues "Oh my God when they have the audacity to ask you
to apologize bleep you men bleep you I'm not sorry". I'll let you use
your imagination to determine what those bleeps are I'll just give you a
hint the first letter is the same first letter in food. Also this
beautiful, beautiful eloquently, almost "Old Man and the Sea"-esque
sentence from Ashley Williams as she posted on Twitter, and me reading
it does not do it justice I hope you're watching the video version,
because its all lowercase with no punctuation and it just says "kill all
men". Beautiful. Well done, Ashely. So now someone made a complaint
against Ashely Williams, a board member of the Node.js Foundation, which
means she's on the board of a project run by the Linux Foundation this
is really important to remember all that. They made a complaint with
these along with a dozen other statements that Ashley Williams that were
just obscene, just profanity filled, racists, sexist, inciting violence,
death threats, it was intense. I mean it's off the charts. Well now
Ashley Williams remains a board member of the Node.js Foundation and to
my knowledge never received any disciplinary action based on her
[20:00] extreme sexism, racism, and just general incitement of violence
which is awful which means, point blank, that the Node.js Foundation and
the Linux Foundation sanction sexism, racism, and incitement of
violence. That's what that means. Otherwise they would have done
something because they could have. They had the ability to they simply
didn't want to. They, there's, it's baffling to me. It's absolutely
baffling to me and to make it even more just truly, truly disturbing and
troubling Ashley Williams that same person going around being racist,
sexist, and violent on the Internet has now as of January of this year
just two months back joined as a core team member of the Rust community
She's now the community team lead over on the Rust community which means
we have people that are inciting violence based on sexual orientation,
based on gender, based on race and just being vulgar and obscene about
it and the organizations involved sanction it. I'm going to repeat
this. To-date, to my knowledge, and I've looked hard, neither Node.js
nor the Linux Foundation have taken any real action against the racism
and sexism against their board members This holds true of the Node.js
Foundation, the Linux Foundation, and the FreeBSD project. None of them
have. Not to my knowledge. If I'm wrong please correct me. Please do.
But I'm not ok with racism, I'm not ok with sexism, I'm not ok with
incitement of violence and death threats, against me or against anyone
for any reason. Bill and Ted, guys. Be excellent to each other. Be
cool. We don't have to be like this. So why is this happening? If the
codes of conduct of these organizations have been so controversial you'd
think that when they were put in place they were put in place for a good
reason. Right? You'd think that when the people who wrote them or
copied and pasted them and put them into place they thought you know
what this is so important to do we are clearly going to put this in
place and enforce this then they themselves would enforce it. But not
only are they not enforcing it on each other they are actively at least
some of them, including the people who put these in place, these codes
of conduct in place, going out into the community and just shoving it in
everyone else's faces that they can with complete impunity do so many of
the things that the code of conduct says you can't do. Which means it's
not really there to protect people. Let's continue to another example.
Let's talk about Mozilla, because I like this example, I've talked about
Mozilla's issues in the past but this example it kind of ties it all
together. This last year Mozilla gave $100,000 to an organization
called Rise-Up. Rise-Up is an anonymous organization that provides
communication services for a lot of different organizations and let's,
just for the sake of all this, let's put all the politics aside let's
not talk about what organizations we may like or we may hate that
Rise-Up provides communication support for. Right? Because honestly it
doesn't do any of us any good to talk about it. What I want to talk
about here is the exclusionariness and the divisiveness of things.
Because Rise-Up membership is invite-only. It provides secure e-mail
and other services and you can only get it if you're invited but what's
more, once you've been invited if your political views change and your
political views are not exactly the same as Rise-Up itself and some of
their more prominent members you will be actively banned and this is
kind of an on-going thing you can find many, many examples online if you
just with a quick DuckDuckGo or Google or [unclear] search of people
being banned for this. Now some of the people being banned for this are
people that you, me maybe find distasteful. Some of them we may agree
with. But none of that really matters. What matters is that it's an
exclusionary and divisive organization. Now Rise-Up itself being
exclusionary is not the problem. It really isn't. As far as I'm
concerned Rise-Up has the rights to offer their free services to whoever
they want and exclude whoever they want. It's their right. I'm not
going to yell at them. I'm not going to make videos about how they're
evil because they want to have
[25:00] only certain political ideologies in their system. What I do
find problematic though is Mozilla, the makers of Firefox, and whose
core mission statement when you go to their web site talks a free and
open Internet for all, is actively funding exclusionary organizations.
It causes divisiveness. People within Mozilla got pissed off about it.
People outside of Mozilla got upset about it. People stopped using
Firefox because of it and what's more it's funding divisiveness and it
seems to be an ongoing pattern here. It bothers me. It bothers me
tremendously. Why would an organization dedicated to openness for all
fund divisiveness? Why would the FreeBSD project push a code of conduct
that just ripped its community in half and at the same time clearly it
doesn't actually even believe in the core values of the code of conduct
because they don't follow them. And they don't enforce the code of
conduct on their own elected officials. So it's not about the conduct.
It's about exclusion. It's about divisiveness. And these, those are my
assumptions but the rest of the things I've said are facts and when I
stated these facts about Mozilla it caused people to get pissed. When I
stated those facts about FreeBSD and how they basically effectively made
it impossible for people to virtually hug each other without going in
violation of the code of conduct people got mad. People started
swearing at me, death threats, you saw some of the random slurs and
death threats. People got mad. It's pretty intense. People have been
so worked up over this stuff. It's absolutely insane. In fact, many
technology journalists that I've known for years, that I've worked with
for years, just out and out block me on social media because I point out
these things happening. It's crazy. It's absolutely crazy. It's
tearing apart the very tiny tech journalist community. There's not that
many of us. And it's literally dividing us in half. On one side are
people who are like, yeah, you know, I'm going to move on because I'm
about to get angry again and I want to try and stay as calm as I can.
Moving on. So, what is this about? It's not about particular politics
or diversity. We've established that. Right. Both in the case of
node.js and FreeBSD if this was about the specific goals the political
goals or about truly true diversity or if it was about ensuring a safe,
you know, working environment they would have punished the people who
were truly causing the most problems. But they didn't. So it's not
about diversity. It's not about a good, happy environment for us all to
work in. My opinion is that this is about exclusionary, divisive
practices. Why? Control. I believe very much this is about control.
I don't know if it's a conscious effort or it's sort of a subconscious
thing where people want to exert control but I would guess this is about
control more than anything else. I don't have anything to back that up
with. I truly don't. That's my opinion. The other things are facts.
You know we can look through all the facts and come to our own
conclusions and, honestly, if other people have better theories about
what this is about and what is causing a lot of this, I'm all ears. I
just hate to see it, because, again, we're all awesome until proven
otherwise. Be excellent to each other, regardless of race and gender.
But when so many of these people, and when I say "these people", I mean
that derogatorily. I mean the racist, sexist people that have been
stating things and you saw some of them right here, who sit on the
elected core team or the boards of some of these really prominent
foundations are doing these sorts of things to other people, it's
disgusting. It's distasteful. It's not ok and those same individuals
are either themselves actively censoring or on the same side as people
who are actively censoring anyone like me with a dissenting voice. On
the FreeBSD project alone you can't find good conversation on this.
Countless, I mean dozens
[30:00] of threads have been deleted and censored over on the FreeBSD
"subreddit" because people and not because they got all vulgar and awful
but because people leveled legitimate concerns and criticism, like why
do we have this really intense code of conduct banning hugs when
apparently the people running the FreeBSD project are totally allowed to
go ahead and swear and talk about how bad white people are and
everything else. Why do we even have any of this? Censored. It's
about control and it doesn't make me comfortable. It doesn't make me
comfortable. It doesn't make me happy and what realy bums me out we've
got FreeBSD doing this, we've got this in the Node.js project which
means it's part of the Linux Foundation, which means it's impacting
Linux, FreeBSD, Node.js, the whole works. Now I haven't seen these
sorts of problems in the Linux kernel project themselves. My guess is
Linus probably wouldn't allow it. I don't think that many of the Linux
kernel developers would stand for this. Thank God. Let's just hope it
doesn't spread any further. If you are out there, let me just say this,
if you're out there right now and you are one of the many, many people
trying to do good in this world, whatever it is you're pushing for,
whether it's more diversity in the projects you work on, safer working
environments for all, or just higher quality code, thank you. I
appreciate that. I appreciate people trying to make things better.
However, if you notice you or anyone else making these sorts of sexist,
racist, derogatory, just awful statements, hold those people accountable
and kick them the hell out of your project before they destroy it
further. My guess is FreeBSD is not going to survive 2018 in quite the
same state it currently is in. I would be really surprised if it was
anything more than a shell of its former self by the end of the year,
and that stinks. That's not cool. Well, I made it through the end of
this without yelling and screaming this time. I got pretty pissed off
the last few times I they went through because it's kind of an important
thing and it impacts all of us in such a tremendously deep way. I know
I'm going to get a lot of comments about this. I know I'm going to get
a lot of e-mails around this and, you know, a lot of people will take
stances that are less extreme than me and more extreme than me in a
variety of different ways and that's all really cool. That's totally
ok. We should have a diversity of opinion on all of these things and
diversity of opinion should be encouraged. Let me just ask this, when
you are going on to YouTube or "reddit" or anywhere else in talking
about this, let's be cool to each other. Let's be excellent to each
other. If someone's being just right rare I'm not racists against
someone else, call them out, downvote them, report to the projects
they're involved in and get them kicked out right now. It doesn't
matter what race they're being mean towards, it doesn't matter what sex
they're being mean towards, it doesn't matter. Racism and sexism suck
no matter what. End of story. All right. Now, I'm going to shake that
off for a second.
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Patreons and why, why am I doing that? To raise money to make those
trips possible. So if you want to make some of these trips possible to
do shows like Linux Sucks and all the othe big shows that I put together
go ahead and go over to Patreon dot com slash Bryan Lunduke, give a
dollar, give two dollars, what have you. If you just go to Lunduke dot
com there's a little how to help the Lunduke show in the top lefthand
corner and you can help out the things beyond that that are really,
really helpful here is that people that help out are helping with the
hardware upgrade and replacement costs that just simply happened. This
show has been running almost daily for over a year now. Cameras,
lights, hardware, computer hardware, everything and every now and then
things break or just need to get upgraded to look a little bit nicer.
So those that pitch in really help make things better. Also, we're
looking at moving off of YouTube for at least an option. We want to
provide a totally free software option that is self-hosted by us and
controlled by us so that we can really keep it free and make sure it
stays online but in order to do that, I do need some assistance. So if
you want to pitch in, go over to Lunduke dot com and there's multiple
ways you can pitch in and I would love to bring in some more editing
help so we could do a couple more edited versions of things and the live
events and whatnot. Here's some of the Patreon supporters. Truly,
truly wonderful people.
Thank you to everyone for hanging out. I hope that everyone here is
always awesome to each other regardless of what color, gender, anyone
else is because people deserve to be treated awesomely unlike the couple
of people that I pointed out during this show that don't treat people
awesome. So. Oh, oh what? Am I making a derogatory hand signal right
now? Maybe at those people but everyone else is awesome, yeah.
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There are many other examples one can think of, Mozilla included. █
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