IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, July 18, 2022

beginning of new day, July 18

00:01 matey; <phanes> matey: he started to defame me, I research his background a little, and found that he's been defaming others for more than a decade. <- other than you and stallman, who has he defamed?

00:01 matey; feel free to raise your hand roy

00:01 schestowitz[TR2]; I am not reading

00:01 phanes; matey: there's a groweing laundry list that's forming, it is premature to give a comprehensive list at this point

00:01 schestowitz[TR2]; I work at 1am

00:01 matey; okay

00:01 phanes; growing*

00:01 schestowitz[TR2]; want to finish daily links and then record EPO video

00:02 matey; it is premature to give a comprehensive list <- anyone super notable at the moment?

00:02 phanes; matey: yes

00:02 matey; worth mentining now?

00:02 phanes; not yet. stay tuned.

00:02 matey; havent seen you in a year, but youre here

00:02 matey; so

00:03 phanes; waiting for ole' Matty-boy to stir a little deeper into the quicksand a bit first.

00:03 matey; roy thinks hes only here to dig up stuff on everybody

00:03 phanes; yeah i've been around, keeping a low profile, and tbh i've been swamped with work

00:03 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167350

00:03 phanes; he's here over narcissistic injury

00:03 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

00:03 matey; good place for it

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00:04 saint_dogbert; is irc.techrights.org going down for updates?

00:04 mjg59_; matey: I apparently defamed Kevin Kofler by calling him a dick

00:04 matey; is he a dick?

00:04 mjg59_; I think so, yeah, and it's clearly an expression of opinion rather than fact

00:05 phanes; remember you're dealing with segment B, matty-boy

00:05 matey; i presume phanes agrees that people are entitled to opinions and honest critiques

00:05 phanes; fo sho

00:06 matey; whats segment b

00:06 mjg59_; Also Ted Ts'o for https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/18505.html

00:06 TR Bot; mjg59 | Ted Ts'o is a rape apologist and why this matters

00:06 matey; oh this one is of interest to me

00:06 mjg59_; (Apologies for the Cloudflare, I'm looking into alternatives)

00:06 matey; im still salty that tso was replaced by gkh

00:06 phanes; mjg59_: yeah, did you ever issue a retraction over Ts'o?

00:06 mjg59_; phanes: No

00:06 matey; yeah ill work around the cloudflare

00:07 phanes; so what's this thing with Peter Todd?

00:07 matey; man this takes me back to identica

00:08 mjg59_; phanes: The rapist? He's a rapist.

00:08 mjg59_; phanes: There's sworn testimony that he raped someone

00:08 phanes; Who submitted that sworn testimony?

00:08 TR News; GNU/GNOME Desktop/GTK: a2ps, glib-gtk-book, and more Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167351

00:08 TR Bot; GNU/GNOME Desktop/GTK: a2ps, glib-gtk-book, and more | Tux Machines

00:08 mjg59_; phanes: His victim

00:09 phanes; so, that's a lie. his victim did not submit that to the case. someone did it on their behalf. who was that?

00:09 TR News; http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/postmarketos-22-06-1-sp1/

00:09 TR Bot; Links 17/07/2022: postmarketOS 22.06.1 Service Pack 1 and Linux 5.19 RC7 | Techrights

00:09 mjg59_; phanes: Uh. His victim provided sworn testimony to the court.

00:10 phanes; according to the briefing his victim did not submit sworn testimony, but anonymously relayed through someone else. im just checking to see if you can clarify who that "someone else" was

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00:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 0

00:10 TR News; Video/Shows: Removing Core Utils, Full Circle Weekly News Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167352

00:10 TR Bot; Video/Shows: Removing Core Utils, Full Circle Weekly News | Tux Machines

00:11 matey; /me just now managed to access https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/18505.html

00:11 matey; actually 4 minutes isnt so bad

00:11 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167353

00:11 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

00:11 matey; Ted Ts'o is a rape apologist and why this matters

00:11 matey; :)

00:11 matey; you have to admit its a catchy title

00:12 phanes; it is

00:12 TR News; Links 17/07/2022: postmarketOS 22.06.1 Service Pack 1 and Linux 5.19 RC7 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/postmarketos-22-06-1-sp1/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/17/postmarketos-22-06-1-sp1/

00:12 matey; i think one of the worst things that ever happened to linux

00:12 matey; was tso getting fucked over for gkh

00:12 matey; now, i could be wrong

00:12 phanes; fell short though matey, should have been titled "Scientists say Ted Ts'o is a rape apologist, and why this matters"

00:12 matey; but thats been my opinion for years now i think

00:12 mjg59_; phanes: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/14868600/30/3/todd-v-lovecruft/

00:12 DaemonFC; <mjg59_> phanes: Uh. His victim provided sworn testimony to the court.

00:12 TR Bot; Version of Jane Doe Declaration #30, Att. #3 in Todd v. Lovecruft (N.D. Cal., 4:19-cv-01751) CourtListener.com

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00:13 DaemonFC; "What happens if you lie in court? Nothing! Nothing happens if you lie, unless you get caught, and that's a whole different story!" -George Carlin

00:13 schestowitz[TR2]; Lovecruft sounds kind of kinky

00:13 schestowitz[TR2]; like loce craft

00:13 schestowitz[TR2]; love ship

00:13 matey; for some reason its always the trouble makers who get the rap

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00:13 mjg59_; Anyway going to go and eat lunch now back in a bit

00:13 schestowitz[TR2]; "comae aboard for sum sweet luv"

00:13 phanes; mjg59_: si why are you so familiar with the details of the Peter Todd case?

00:14 matey; lovecraft is kinky too, if youre into facial tentacles

00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; zoidberg?

00:14 matey; older and more malicious

00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; ah

00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; gene simmons

00:14 matey; close enough!

00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; it's not a tentacle

00:14 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a tongue

00:15 matey; honestly if i had his tongue id be more of a jerk too

00:15 matey; just not in the same way he is

00:15 matey; also i wouldnt grope ace frehleys wife

00:15 matey; because thats just a dick move

00:15 schestowitz[TR2]; remember "Love Boat"?

00:15 schestowitz[TR2]; the futursitc version if "Love Craft"

00:15 matey; yes, when it was exciting and new

00:15 schestowitz[TR2]; it always sucked

00:16 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe I was too young to understand the appeal

00:16 matey; mine is a reference to the theme tune

00:16 schestowitz[TR2]; seemed like fantasy cruicses

00:16 schestowitz[TR2]; not with covid-19 they're likle morgues floating

00:16 DaemonFC; Found some typos in my post. Fixed them.

00:16 schestowitz[TR2]; adnd you cannot get out

00:16 matey; ive actually never seen love boat

00:16 DaemonFC; You always find more when you go back and look.

00:16 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: spotted none myself

00:16 matey; but its references in ace ventura: pet detective

00:17 matey; and i know the first few words of the theme tune

00:17 DaemonFC; "drove out Jonathan Riddell out"

00:17 DaemonFC; should have just been "drove out"

00:17 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: it was a boring one

00:17 schestowitz[TR2]; you missed nothing

00:17 schestowitz[TR2]; I remember the theme song

00:17 DaemonFC; "Unity desktop shell they frequently"

00:17 matey; yeah im sure there are episodes on youtube

00:17 DaemonFC; Unity desktop shell, they frequently

00:17 schestowitz[TR2]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=m_wFEB4Oxlo

00:17 TR Bot; The Love Boat - Invidious

00:17 DaemonFC; I missed a comma. :P

00:17 matey; i watched an episode of the betty white show

00:17 matey; black and white

00:18 schestowitz[TR2]; the best part was the theme song

00:18 matey; and a few jack benny episodes

00:18 schestowitz[TR2]; after that a dull episode full of crap dialogue

00:18 matey; theyll never do that remake now

00:18 matey; spacey is done

00:18 matey; after that a dull episode full of crap dialogu <- this is why i dont have a tv

00:18 matey; ok there are many reasons

00:19 phanes; it's actually fascinating to me that a courtroom authority would allow anonymous testimony in any circumstance as it allows anyone to say anything without being held accountable for false statements and their legal repercussions, including perjury

00:19 schestowitz[TR2]; full version: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=m2ugQ190hkc

00:19 TR Bot; The Love Boat theme (long version) - Invidious

00:19 matey; The final keynote speaker gave a compelling presentation on online privacy, including some slides containing sexualised imagery. This was against the terms of the conference policies, and resulted in an apology from the conference organisers and the speaker. The situation was unfortunate but well handled, and that should have been the end of it.

00:19 schestowitz[TR2]; how they have aged https://yewtu.be/watch?v=96UV4fT_cYg

00:19 TR Bot; THE LOVE BOAT THEN & NOW 2021 - Invidious

00:19 matey; its funny because

00:19 DaemonFC; "argues with Alan Pope"

00:19 matey; whenever something is called out like this

00:19 DaemonFC; derp

00:19 DaemonFC; argued

00:19 matey; i immediately want to see it

00:19 matey; not just because it might be in the prurient interest :)

00:19 matey; it might actually be more interesting if its tame af

00:20 phanes; i dont suggest that this is what happened, here, I merely point out that the concept of anonymous accusations in a courtroom defies the spirit of justice

00:20 matey; maybe it a screenshot of ubuntu!

00:20 DaemonFC; Yikes. That's like five of them I've spotted and fixed.

00:20 matey; Afterwards, there was some pushback on the conference mailing list. Concerns were raised about the policy being overly restrictive and the potential for it to be used to stifle speech <- well, yeah...

00:20 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167354

00:20 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

00:21 matey; people have been railing against censorship ever since the church decided people should be killed for using a printing press

00:21 matey; its to be expected

00:21 TR News; "I tried to use Snaps when I was experimenting with Ubuntu a few years ago. These are the major problems with it." http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/trouble-with-ubuntu-snaps/

00:21 TR Bot; The Trouble With Ubuntu Snaps, Ubuntu, and Ubuntu Derivatives | Techrights

00:21 matey; "I don't agree with these arguments, but discussion of why policies have been implemented is completely natural and provides an opportunity for a community to determine what its expected standards are."

00:21 matey; okay

00:21 matey; And then Ted Ts'o effectively called rape victims liars[1]

00:22 matey; [1]The original archive has vanished. I've put up a copy of the relevant thread here. https://web.archive.org/web/20220717231014/http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/ted_mail/

00:22 TR Bot; lca_ted.mbox: by thread

00:22 phanes; matey: be careful using Garrett as a primary material source, cross-ref with other sources and piece together your own narrative from what you can verify

00:23 matey; and piece together your own narrative <- fwiw, i spend literally years on this stuff.

00:23 matey; no conclusions will be reached today.

00:23 matey; and mjg as a primary source :) sorry, giggling

00:23 matey; but hes interesting to talk to

00:23 phanes; one of the tendencies ive noticed with this one is he tends to add details that pull at the strings of activists for disadvantaged population segments

00:23 matey; well thats how you do it

00:24 matey; if he does that, thats how its done

00:24 matey; not you-you, everybody you

00:24 phanes; i.e. lots of narrative, lots of spin, but has a seed of truth to it for validation

00:24 matey; i mean ive been complaining about these tactics for a long fucking time

00:24 matey; as for why im reading this

00:24 matey; i find it helpful at times to get his side of the story

00:25 TR News; Kernel prepatch 5.19-rc7 [LWN.net] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167349#comment-34377

00:25 matey; imagine if columbo only talked to people he assumed were honest?

00:25 matey; that would be a major fail at his job

00:25 phanes; ive got a pretty good example of this captured here: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2022-07-16/

00:25 matey; his job is to talk to people who are bullshitting

00:25 TR Bot; Linux 5.19-rc7 | Tux Machines

00:25 TR Bot;

00:25 matey; im pro-stallman

00:25 matey; anti-fsf

00:26 matey; i want history to not be rewritten.

00:26 phanes; how can you be pro stallman and anti fsf

00:26 matey; i think the fsf was taken over by the same coup that ousted him

00:26 matey; and theres plenty of evidence, whether im right or not

00:26 matey; its not even a coup anymore, its an occupation

00:26 phanes; most of those tools resigned when the pro-stallman letter got like twice as many sigs

00:26 matey; but of course i could be wrong

00:26 matey; most of those tools resigned <- i have a theory about that

00:27 matey; there are no lizards or ufos though

00:27 matey; though i do joke about pod people

00:27 matey; when the pro-stallman letter got like twice as many sigs <- that was a win, but

00:28 matey; i think the damage at the fsf is permanent

00:28 matey; my primary concern regarding that is making sure the movement survives the organisation

00:28 matey; the real movement-- not the bullshit takeover

00:28 phanes; i like most of the people at fsf

00:29 phanes; when they come to ohio linuxfest i usually spend some time shooting the shit with the folks they have running a table

00:29 matey; i think the fsf has failed in other ways, perhaps but not necessarily realted to the coup

00:29 matey; ive been to ohio. never linuxfest

00:29 TR News; Cider is an Open Source Apple Music Client for Linux Desktops Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167355

00:29 TR Bot; Cider is an Open Source Apple Music Client for Linux Desktops | Tux Machines

00:29 schestowitz[TR2]; fsf had faced prior attacks

00:29 schestowitz[TR2]; pre-2019

00:29 phanes; i do think gcc needs a complete overhaul though, ive been crosseyed trying to automate cross-compiling a linux sysroot for surro for like 3 years

00:29 matey; yeah fsf was attacked for about 20 years

00:30 schestowitz[TR2]; even more

00:30 matey; i do think gcc needs a complete overhaul though <- and a fork from outside ibm too

00:30 schestowitz[TR2]; the first 9/11 was in 1998

00:30 schestowitz[TR2]; fore FSF

00:30 phanes; matey: huh? what fork?

00:30 matey; yeah it was called osi

00:30 matey; <phanes> matey: huh? what fork? <- "i do think gcc needs a" no fork

00:30 matey; needs one

00:31 phanes; ph, yeah

00:31 MinceR; https://obviousplant.tumblr.com/post/127169753663/theres-a-bonus-fact-on-instagram

00:31 TR Bot; Obvious Plant Theresabonus fact on Instagram.

00:31 phanes; ive thought about trying to use clang but its such unmapped territory for that i dont think it's fruitful

00:31 matey; if i wanted microsoft and ibm to control my computing, id just use windows

00:31 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/richard-stallman-about-open-source-software.mp4

00:31 matey; what i dont like about clang is:

00:31 matey; 1. github

00:31 matey; 2. impossible to bootstrap

00:31 matey; what i dont like about gcc:

00:31 matey; 1. ibm

00:31 matey; 2. still really bloated (but not compared to llvm)

00:32 MinceR; what i don't like about clang is that crApple has its tentacles in it

00:32 matey; compared to llvm, gcc is streamlined af

00:32 phanes; if gcc+libc sysroot cross-compilation were easy to do though alpine wouldn't be a busybox toy still

00:32 matey; no wonder ariadne hates you :

00:32 matey; :)

00:32 schestowitz[TR2]; this irc network runs on alpine

00:32 phanes; she hates me because she loses all her arguments with me lol

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00:33 matey; i bet she doesnt agree with that either

00:33 phanes; of course not

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00:33 matey; im mostly neutral on ariadne, but i dont think alpine is a toy

00:33 matey; its main problem is the kernel

00:33 phanes; i actively step around talking shit about her when she's not around though, she's a reasonably intelligent human being even if her morality could use a polish

00:33 matey; and i mean, if you start with linux as a given

00:34 matey; then theres not much you can do about that

00:34 matey; its not like i expect them to fix it

00:34 phanes; what's going on with the alpine kernel?

00:34 matey; nothing, its just linux

00:34 matey; thats seriously all i mean

00:34 phanes; i dont use that children's toy, i stopped reading at "busy box, but we're trying to reinvent gnu userland so as not to learn how to cross-compile"

00:35 schestowitz[TR2]; the new tuxmachiens container is less then a dozen processes c(ps aux)

00:35 matey; im going to guess that youre trying to use their own modesty against them

00:35 matey; but if youre not, thats funny

00:35 phanes; eh, i think its more fluff than not. i dont really care about what alpine does or does not do.

00:35 matey; even funnier is that i dont give a shit about alpine whatsoever

00:36 matey; but id rather be fair to them, since it hasnt got systemd

00:36 matey; and isnt devuan based

00:36 phanes; systemd would be fine if they just stuck to (1) system init and (2) service state control

00:36 schestowitz[TR2]; alpine is not everything but the kitchen sink

00:36 schestowitz[TR2]; that's be linux and gcc

00:36 schestowitz[TR2]; *that'd

00:36 matey; systemd was intended as a cuckold os and sold as an init system

00:37 phanes; yes

00:37 schestowitz[TR2]; by a Microsoft employee :-)

00:37 phanes; its a trojan horse by design

00:37 schestowitz[TR2]; and Windows fan

00:37 matey; and former novell guy

00:37 phanes; it needs a "lite" fork that literally just does those two things

00:37 matey; so its good that boycott novell is finally moving away from systemd

00:37 phanes; and then subjects PRs that creep the scope to firing squads

00:38 matey; it needs a "lite" fork that literally just does those two things <- but i dont want any of it

00:38 matey; so after years of fighting systemd on gnu/linux

00:38 matey; i finally said fuck it and moved to bsd

00:38 phanes; oh come on, in those two categories, systemd was an objective evolution of sysv

00:38 matey; do not care

00:38 matey; the devs are all cunts

00:38 phanes; lol

00:38 matey; of the worst sort!

00:39 matey; again, if i wanted ibm and microsoft to control my computing

00:39 matey; id just use windows

00:39 matey; (though it would suck. a lot.)

00:39 schestowitz[TR2]; if you mention systemd in twitter they pounce at you

00:39 schestowitz[TR2]; they like to pretend the critics don't know what they're talking about

00:39 schestowitz[TR2]; or that errors encountered aren't really problems

00:40 MinceR; 18 013628 < phanes> systemd would be fine if they just stuck to (1) system init and (2) service state control

00:40 MinceR; IOW, systemd would be fine if it wasn't systemd :>

00:40 matey; stupid question i know, but how many rape apologies make one a rape apologist?

00:40 matey; im sure some will say the same number of rapes it takes to make one a rapist

00:40 schestowitz[TR2]; Windows would be OK if it just 1) downloaded GNU/Linux 2) rebooted

00:40 matey; but im not sure its the same

00:40 MinceR; 18 013826 < phanes> oh come on, in those two categories, systemd was an objective evolution of sysv

00:40 matey; you can be wrong about something without it being part of who you are as a person

00:41 phanes; i am still reading on the ted 'tso thing, but have yet to encounter him actually doing any "rape apology", if it's there, I haven't seen it yet

00:41 MinceR; provided you like your zombies to stick around, your system to fail to boot or shutdown reliably and you like your service management to be unreliable, yes

00:41 schestowitz[TR2]; he talked about statistics of rape

00:41 schestowitz[TR2]; and it was aaaggggggessas ago

00:41 matey; im having a look, since tso is a pivot point on the trajectory of linux from useful to tool to mostly useful to tools

00:41 schestowitz[TR2]; when the phenomenon of cancel culture on social CONTROL media was not yet a thing

00:42 matey; and it was aaaggggggessas ago <- has it even passed the statute of limitations?

00:42 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: tso spoke out agaionst Miceosoft

00:42 schestowitz[TR2]; so he needs to not be promoted

00:42 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> matey: tso spoke out agaionst Miceosoft <- and systemd

00:42 schestowitz[TR2]; only demoted

00:42 schestowitz[TR2]; iut interferes with sheela's and james' income

00:42 matey; [LCA2011-Chat] Some Anti-Harassment Policies considered harmful Pia Waugh

00:42 matey; any relation to jeff waugh?

00:43 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/05/14/microsoft-breadwinner/

00:43 TR Bot; Who Brings Home the Bacon (Revenue), Sheela or James (Jim)? | Techrights

00:43 phanes; yeah i dont buy the "hey guess what, now that youre all mad that i made and avangelized this subsystem that allows microsoft to decide what os you can boot, i was an inside player all along and only did it because it was inevitable and would have been worse if i didnt"

00:43 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: his ex wife

00:43 schestowitz[TR2]; they ran a consulting named after his surname

00:43 schestowitz[TR2]; theirs back then

00:43 MinceR; :>

00:44 matey; their name makes me think of "show me the way" by peter frampton

00:44 schestowitz[TR2]; pia is usually a danish name

00:44 matey; beacuse he sings it over and over

00:44 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe australia adopted it too

00:44 schestowitz[TR2]; peeee-YA!!!!!

00:44 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> pia is usually a danish name <- except when its royal korean

00:44 schestowitz[TR2]; (japenese accent)

00:45 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: or a girl at the pub :-)

00:46 schestowitz[TR2]; she wanted to date, then she didn't want to date, then I found out she had dated my friend arne

00:46 matey; Please note, I am not diminishing what rape is, and or any particular person's experience. However, I *am* challenging the use of statistics that may be hyperbolic and misleading, and ultimately may be very counterproductive if it causes people to become afraid when the reality might not be as horrible as the "1 in 4" numbers might at first sound.

00:46 matey; Just as it was wrong for George Bush to inspire fear in the population so he could push his War Against Iraq agenda through congress, it's also wrong for people who, out of good intentions, inspire fear in others or themselves of being raped if the statistics used are misleading and manipulated.

00:46 matey; if i agree with that, am i a rape apologist?

00:46 matey; asking for a friend!

00:46 schestowitz[TR2]; he mentioned the wart

00:47 schestowitz[TR2]; darpa won't be happy

00:47 schestowitz[TR2]; *war

00:47 matey; /me goes back to reading mjg since not sure what part he takes issue with

00:47 schestowitz[TR2]; tghe war wart :-)

00:47 matey; special military wart

00:47 schestowitz[TR2]; tso also opposed exFAT in Linux

00:47 matey; tso was exactly what linux needed to remain not shit

00:47 phanes; when i hear "rape apologist" the term to me implies someone trying to justify rape as a less than horrible thing, which I have to admit I've never seen anyone do, like, ever

00:47 schestowitz[TR2]; in 2019ish

00:47 matey; and exactly what they avoided

00:47 schestowitz[TR2]; you have to have a pair of balls

00:47 schestowitz[TR2]; to say that

00:48 schestowitz[TR2]; when Microsoft bribes LF

00:48 schestowitz[TR2]; a pair of balls given the CoC

00:48 matey; a rape apologist is a person we cant have on our team.

00:48 matey; even if the project becomes completely co-opted by microsoft as a result.

00:48 schestowitz[TR2]; darpa will revoke his comits :-)

00:48 schestowitz[TR2]; he insinuated bush was wrong to "liberate" iraq

00:48 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe tso is a chinese agent :-)

00:49 schestowitz[TR2]; CHOIIINA

00:49 matey; first, we implement REALLY poorly conceived broad rules that look harmless

00:49 matey; then we target mostly troublemakers against the corporate hegemony

00:49 matey; then we HAVE TO move forward, no matter how it may hurt or how it may give microsoft more control over their own competition

00:49 matey; because ousting rape apologists is much more important than antitrust violations

00:50 matey; so much so, that we cant be too careful

00:50 matey; even a SUSPECTED rape apologist i would not want around

00:50 matey; ruining linux for everyone

00:50 phanes; nazi litmus test: when i hear the term "apologist" applied to nazi, a "nazi apologist" would be expected to be making justifications for nazi behaviour right

00:50 matey; we have a nazi here, but ive never called him an apologist

00:50 phanes; so applying the apologist descriptor in the same meaning to rape, a "rape apologist" would be expected to be making justifications for rape

00:51 matey; actually maybe i did once in response to someone else calling him that

00:51 matey; i called roy a debian apologist

00:51 schestowitz[TR2]; i use debian

00:51 matey; usually when i say "apologist" its got something corporate to the left of it

00:51 schestowitz[TR2]; i do't use nazii

00:51 schestowitz[TR2]; i do't use tape

00:51 matey; /me hopes nazis dont decide to incorporate

00:51 matey; other than ibm, siemens, hugo boss, etc

00:51 schestowitz[TR2]; climate denier

00:51 phanes; < matey> even a SUSPECTED rape apologist i would not want around <--- that's why anonymous accusations are so effective.

00:52 schestowitz[TR2]; denier is another new word applied to terms

00:52 schestowitz[TR2]; and belittles the other things

00:52 matey; yeah but anonymous people have no reason to lie, so...

00:52 matey; [1] every such complaint must be honest

00:52 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: stfu, you systemd denier!!!

00:52 matey; [2] everything on 4chan must be true

00:52 phanes; denier, apologist, these are projected archetypes in some cases

00:53 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: this rebranding happens now i russia

00:53 schestowitz[TR2]; so companies can keep operating theere

00:53 schestowitz[TR2]; gert ready for fantua.ru

00:54 matey; this seems like a leap:

00:54 matey; Ted disagrees with a statistic because some rape victims subsequently have sex with the reported assailant. This means that Ted believes that this indicates that they were not really raped. Ted is a rape apologist.

00:54 matey; actually, i think the correct version of that statement is:

00:54 matey; "Ted disagrees with a statistic"

00:54 matey; but thats just my first impression

00:54 MinceR; disagreeing with statistics is heresy

00:55 schestowitz[TR2]; you should see ted at TED

00:55 matey; and the punishment for heresy is death!

00:55 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/What-the-Tech-Industry-Has-Learned-from-Linus-Torvalds_-Jim-Zemlin-at-TEDxConcordia-U-Portland.mp4

00:55 DaemonFC; Firefox Sync disappeared completely from GNOME Web recently.

00:55 DaemonFC; I don't know exactly when that happened.

00:55 schestowitz[TR2]; Zemlin's head is so big he cannot stand straight

00:55 DaemonFC; It was having...problems.

00:55 DaemonFC; I guess they decided to off it.

00:56 phanes; well, hold on. maybe there's room for growth here. is not believing a claim of rape a "rape apology"? or is it disagreeing with the material facts of a situation

00:56 schestowitz[TR2]; going to work now, bbl

00:56 DaemonFC; Oh no, wait, they just moved it again.

00:56 DaemonFC; LOL, over here, no over there!

00:57 phanes; i wish i knew more people who knew more about this kind of thing, it feels like some population segments use different definitions of these terms

00:57 phanes; and they all think that anyone not using their personal definition is a neanderthal

00:58 matey; Last week the Ada Initiative published a blog post pointing out the damage that did

00:58 matey; they deleted it too

00:58 matey; This is somewhat embarrassing, isnt it?

00:58 phanes; did someone capture it on internet archive?

00:58 matey; It seems we cant find what youre looking for. Perhaps searching can help.yeah im looking now

00:58 phanes; id be interested in reading it

00:58 matey; https://web.archive.org/web/20210722022721/https://adainitiative.org/2012/10/25/open-source-software-open-to-all/

00:58 TR Bot; Open source software: Open to all? | Ada Initiative

00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.11 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.41 average k/sec., average swarm size 0

00:59 matey; made comments that also downplayed the seriousness of all rape. <- thats not what im getting from tsos comments

00:59 phanes; didnt ada initiative get dissolved after a big scandal involving honeypots for prominent foss figures a few years back?

00:59 matey; i havent read them all yet

00:59 matey; didnt ada initiative get dissolved after a big scandal involving honeypots for prominent foss figures a few years back? <- why would they get dissovlved over that?

00:59 matey; note "would" not "should"

1 AM, July 18

01:00 phanes; iirc there was a huge issue about it

01:00 phanes; what year was this ada initiative link created

01:00 matey; Theodore Y. Tso wrote <- i love that they use his middle initial

01:00 matey; they should just use his full name like theyre his mother

01:00 matey; this is the only place ive ever seen his middle initial

01:00 matey; whats it supposed to do, inspire terror?

01:01 MinceR; i think it's also part of his email address

01:01 matey; "oh my god, they know the first letter of my middle name!"

01:01 matey; i think it's also part of his email address <- fair point if so

01:01 matey; Theodore Y. Tso wrote that rape was impossible if both people were drunk enough <- hmm

01:01 matey; and that including several common kinds of rape in rape statistics could be hyperbolic and misleading. <- NO IT COULDNT!

01:02 matey; you can use statistics misleadingly in ANYTHING

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01:02 matey; E-X-C-E-P-T rape, where its IMPOSSIBLE

01:03 matey; oh hey, the geek fem wiki has their own archive of what he said thats offensive

01:03 matey; maybe that will be faster

01:03 phanes; >Tso wrote that rape was impossible if both people were drunk enough <<-- so, that's kind of dated thinking. I mean, if both people are too drunk to consent who got raped? Is it automatically the woman in her thinking, or does she not believe that women can rape men?

01:03 matey; http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list

01:03 TR Bot; Rape apology on LCA mailing list | Geek Feminism Wiki | Fandom

01:03 phanes; that's just bizarre thinking to me

01:04 mjg59_; matey: I've re-uploaded the archive of the mailing list thread

01:04 matey; yeah i um: https://web.archive.org/web/20201021232820/http://www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/ted_mail/

01:04 TR Bot; lca_ted.mbox: by thread

01:04 mjg59_; matey: Oh yeah that would also work

01:04 matey; i got it from your article

01:04 matey; so i figure

01:04 matey; this is hardly the most key question i have

01:05 matey; but how many stupid arguments does one have to make about rape to be a "rape apologist"

01:05 matey; i mean, clearly you only need to rape one person once to be a rapist

01:05 matey; but tso made more than one argument

01:05 mjg59_; matey: I think if the core of your argument is that a bunch of rape isn't actually rape then you qualify

01:06 matey; i mean as a generalisation, that sounds reasonable

01:06 mjg59_; phanes: Ok so have we established that someone provided sworn testimony to a court that Peter Todd raped them?

01:06 phanes; im still not sold on someone having bad stats on rape being a "rape apologist" more than just being less informed on an issue. The term "rape apologist" implies someone justifying rape or making excuses for a rapist

01:07 matey; implies someone justifying rape or making excuses for a rapist <- people clearly think he was doing the latter

01:07 matey; so are they right or wrong is the question imo

01:07 phanes; mjg59_: we have, but you and I disagree over who submitted that testimony. For some reason you say the victim submitted it, when, it's clear in other court documents that there was a relay to protect her anonymity and based on those documents I believe you know who that relay was.

01:08 matey; in a murder they take intent into account

01:08 matey; wrongful death, manslaughter, murder, degree, etc

01:08 phanes; matey: i can't find any statements from T'so still that justify rape or make excuses for rapists

01:08 mjg59_; phanes: The victim provides their name in the document and swears to the truth of the testimony

01:08 matey; it seems like the intent of tso wasnt to rape apologise, but to question censorship

01:09 matey; but thats what the thread was about before it became ye olde tso rape apology thread

01:09 phanes; matey: im leaning that direction from what i've found so far too, so, i mean, let's say that was his intent. why would MG call him a rape apologist and disrupt his career over it?

01:10 mjg59_; He worked for Google at the time, he works for Google now

01:11 matey; mjg: this is going to sound like a joke at your expense, im not sure i can help that

01:11 matey; but its a serious question that you can answer if you like

01:11 phanes; mjg59_: so it's your assertion that calling him a rape apologist did not damage his career and reputation?

01:11 mjg59_; phanes: I've seen no evidence that it did

01:11 matey; would you rather i think of you as a malicious schemer, or a useful idiot?

01:11 matey; im not saying those are the only two possibilities

01:11 matey; but i presume you would prefer the latter

01:11 mjg59_; matey: Ha honestly I understand either position

01:12 phanes; mjg59_: do you still believe that he is a rape apologist?

01:12 matey; oh theres evidence for either

01:12 matey; but evidence is a piece of cake

01:12 mjg59_; I disagree with both, but given our divergent starting points it's easy to end up with either conclusion

01:12 matey; theres evidence the earth is flat-- im not too swayed by it

01:12 matey; i had breakfast with buzz aldrin once. flat earth didnt come up

01:12 mjg59_; phanes: Having just re-read the arguments I made, I continue to agree with them

01:12 mjg59_; phanes: If you want to re-publicise something that happened a decade ago, go for it

01:12 phanes; mjg59_: do you believe anything you say?

01:13 MinceR; "you believe in the earth?"

01:13 matey; I disagree with both <- thats fair of course, but its not my question

01:13 mjg59_; phanes: But I mean re-publicising something that most people have forgotten about seems like a way to draw more attention to my original assertions?

01:13 matey; im not asking if you ARE a malicious schemer or a useful idiot

01:13 matey; im asking which one youd rather i think, if i were going to assume one of those

01:13 phanes; matey: why do those have to be mutually exclusive?

01:13 matey; they arent

01:14 matey; chocolate and vanilla ice cream arent exclusive. im only asking his preference

01:14 mjg59_; matey: Honestly my preference would be for people to think I'm a malicious schemer because I'm vain and I'd like people to think I'm smart enough to achieve everything they suspect me of

01:14 phanes; no

01:14 phanes; you're not vain

01:14 phanes; you have textbook NPD

01:14 matey; <mjg59_> matey: Honestly my preference would be for people to think I'm a malicious schemer because I'm vain and I'd like people to think I'm smart enough to achieve everything they suspect me of <- thats disappointing

01:14 phanes; they are not the same thing

01:14 mjg59_; matey: Ideally I'd prefer people to think I'm neither

01:14 matey; i would have assumed youd rather i think you were a good person who was manipulated

01:14 matey; yeah, i mean of the two

01:15 matey; we could start with the premise that both are absurdities

01:15 matey; but you agree theyre plausible

01:15 mjg59_; Eh. Look, me saying that things I've done are because other people encouraged me to do them would be a lie.

01:15 matey; for me thats not the point

01:15 mjg59_; I take responsibility for my own choices

01:15 matey; yeah you have this thing about agency

01:15 matey; and its got a place to be sure

01:15 matey; but i was thinking, this morning actually

01:15 phanes; what does "taking responsibility for my own choices" mean to you other than a soundbyte to make you sound reasonable, though?

01:16 mjg59_; phanes: Why did you change your blog site about your ex-fiance to remove your name and insert a fake one instead?

01:16 matey; your take on agency almost seems to preclude the existence of manipulation and people being taken advantage of-- which im sure you dont believe

01:16 mjg59_; matey: I believe people can be taken advantage of! But the set of people I associate with now and listen to has almost nothing in common with the people who were there a decade ago

01:16 matey; <phanes> what does "taking responsibility <- he plays this agency meme a lot, and while im not sure it proves anything (or that its insincere) its the most interesting thing i can think of about his positions

01:17 mjg59_; If I'm a useful idiot, that would require new people to be manipulating me

01:17 matey; <mjg59_> matey: I believe people can be taken advantage of! But the set of people I associate with now and listen to has almost nothing in common with the people who were there a decade ago

01:17 matey; ^ now this reminds me of something roy says

01:17 mjg59_; But my positions have been pretty consistent throughout

01:17 matey; t, that would require new people to be <- heres why i disagree

01:17 matey; But my positions have been pretty consistent throughou <- this i agree with

01:17 matey; youre way more consistent than roy

01:17 matey; hes all over the place

01:18 matey; cultists can also be very consistent

01:18 matey; im not saying that applies her

01:18 phanes; i think "cultist" is a stretch here

01:18 matey; just that a fiction can be told very consistently

01:18 phanes; ideological, certainly

01:18 matey; i want implying hes a cultist

01:18 mjg59_; phanes: Why did you change your blog site about your ex-fiance to remove your name and insert a fake one instead?

01:19 matey; roy says (or has said) that the fsf cant be manipulated by corporations

01:19 matey; because the big nasty ones have pulled out

01:19 phanes; yeah they throw the money around

01:19 matey; this is a sort of transistor model of manipulation

01:19 matey; where once you remove the signal, it removes the boost

01:19 matey; but in real life manipulation isnt like that

01:20 matey; if someone is manipulated

01:20 matey; its easier for them to get away from that if you remove the manipulator from the equation

01:20 matey; but a lot of these things are long-lasting

01:20 matey; sometimes for life, sometimes for years

01:20 matey; and depending on the form of manipulation-- a lie is one

01:20 matey; if you realise a lie is a lie, thats often enough to remove the effect of the manipulation

01:20 matey; if the method is fear-- that can last for ages

01:21 matey; but if you dont realise that a lie is a lie

01:21 matey; or that youre afraid of something youre avoidant of

01:21 mjg59_; I note that phanes just doesn't want to answer some questions about his own behaviour

01:21 matey; then removing the manipulator can have zero effect on how you were manipulated

01:21 matey; and yet

01:21 phanes; mjg59_: did you prompt Valeria to write her piece on T'so and then the two of you agree later it needed to come from you as part of a coordination of PR interests?

01:21 phanes; *valerie

01:21 mjg59_; phanes: Not to the best of my knowledge, no

01:21 phanes; to the best of your knowledge

01:22 mjg59_; I mean

01:22 phanes; what an odd way to answer that

01:22 matey; but the idea that the fsf is suddently free of corporate influence now that the corporations are gone (it still tries to gain favour with them)

01:22 mjg59_; If I wrote a thing and she then decided to write a thing as a result of me writing a thing, did I prompt her?

01:22 matey; or that a manipulator leaves your life is no longer affecting someone

01:22 mjg59_; I didn't talk to her about it, and she didn't talk to me about it

01:22 matey; its not vrey realistic (or very oversimplified)

01:22 matey; on the other side of the coin of course

01:23 phanes; mjg59_: right, none of this is about me, it's about you

01:23 matey; not everything is manipulation

01:23 matey; some (radical) feminists belive that men have more power on average, so all hetero sex is rape.

01:23 phanes; mjg59_: well no, valerie wrote the ada piece on ts'o first and then you did it, and then ada pulled down the ts'o piece

01:23 phanes; it was in such a short timeline too

01:23 matey; in other words, all hetero sex is the result of manipulation or imbalance of power

01:24 matey; i take some issue with that argument

01:24 phanes; the kind of synchronicity that implies coordinated activity

01:24 matey; but its not a very popular one

01:24 mjg59_; phanes: I did not ask Valerie to write anything, she did not ask me to write anything. Whether something I did encouraged her to do something, I have no idea

01:24 matey; phanes: you dont think a snowball effect is just as plausible?

01:24 phanes; mjg59_: what do you know about the honeypot accusations levied against the ada initiative

01:24 phanes; matey: no, i dont in this case

01:25 matey; any particular reason?

01:25 mjg59_; phanes: I have literally zero factual knowledge beyond ESR's assertions

01:25 matey; /me wishes it was anyone but esr

01:25 matey; even tso

01:25 phanes; matey: mostly tactical inference admittedly

01:25 matey; fair enough

01:26 mjg59_; phanes: You don't think your removal of your own name from your blog about your ex-fiance and replacing it with someone else's name is consistent with you using false identities when criticising people?

01:27 matey; at the foot of https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list

01:27 TR Bot; Rape apology on LCA mailing list | Geek Feminism Wiki | Fandom

01:27 matey; is a link to a "privilege denial" event

01:27 phanes; mjg59_: so, you just happened to be lip synced to defame ted ts'o as a rape apologist with an organization later destroyed by allegations of dishonest practices involving the same theme

01:28 mjg59_; phanes: I genuinely have no recollection of the order of events there

01:28 phanes; mjg59_: and let's be clear, here, you know valeria and were in cooperation with the ada initiative at the point already

01:28 phanes; why do i keep spelling her name 'valeria'. *valerie

01:29 phanes; *at that point

01:29 mjg59_; https://geekfeminism.fandom.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list?action=history was apparently created on 2011-04-23

01:29 TR Bot; Revision history of "Rape apology on LCA mailing list" | Geek Feminism Wiki | Fandom

01:29 mjg59_; I blogged about it on 2012-10-29

01:30 matey; and your blog starts by mentioning the previous year

01:30 mjg59_; Yeah the event itself was early 2011 - it was the year Brisbane flooded

01:30 phanes; ada post is on 2012-10-25

01:31 phanes; four days

01:31 phanes; what synchronicity

01:31 phanes; it gets taken down shortly after on ada site

01:31 phanes; put up on your blog

01:31 phanes; and the liability transfers

01:31 phanes; to someone with some immunities

01:31 phanes; interesting stuff

01:32 phanes; im not saying that's the reason why

01:32 phanes; im just saying that's the result of the change

01:32 matey; what immunities

01:32 phanes; or would have been should it not have been captured in internet archive

01:32 mjg59_; phanes: Do you have a link? I'm afraid I honestly don't remember.

01:32 matey; /me bets it matters when its taken down even if the archive archives it

01:32 mjg59_; There's a lot of stuff that happened a decade ago that I don't remember

01:33 matey; not always

01:33 phanes; schestowitz[TR2]: you have some input on what kind of immunities MG might have?

01:33 matey; /me is curious

01:33 mjg59_; I'm not aware of having any immunities

01:33 mjg59_; I'm a US citizen living in the US, I don't enjoy any special status here

01:34 phanes; Aren't you Irish on a visa?

01:34 mjg59_; phanes: No

01:34 phanes; im hesitant to call you scottish

01:34 mjg59_; I'm definitely not Scottish

01:34 matey; its not scotland

01:34 phanes; dont want to offend anyone

01:34 phanes; the scottish i mena

01:34 mjg59_; I have multiple citizenships

01:34 mjg59_; One of them is US

01:35 matey; maybe you could flee the country to avoid a defamation lawsuit

01:35 mjg59_; Ok, I guess we're talking about https://web.archive.org/web/20121029035100/http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-to-all/

01:35 TR Bot; Open source software: Open to all?

01:35 matey; (im not leaning on this, im speculating)

01:35 mjg59_; Which was still online in 2021: https://web.archive.org/web/20210722022721/https://adainitiative.org/2012/10/25/open-source-software-open-to-all/

01:35 TR Bot; Open source software: Open to all? | Ada Initiative

01:35 matey; i mean thats probably an extreme response to most defamation lawsuits

01:35 mjg59_; So it's plausible that I read that and it encouraged me to write about Ted

01:36 phanes; oh i dont think so

01:37 mjg59_; Cool?

01:37 phanes; what i think happened is you and aurora planned it out and pivoted for liability reasons

01:37 mjg59_; What liability reasons?

01:37 mjg59_; That post remained on the Ada Initiative blog

01:37 phanes; particularly given how her organization fell apart, and why, and given your previous association with her, and common theme

01:37 mjg59_; But no, I'm pretty sure Valerie did not encourage me to write that post in any way

01:38 phanes; which is also the same theme in most of your documented instances of defamatory behaviour

01:38 mjg59_; I think you're going to need to be clearer on your accusation here

01:38 phanes; and also the same theme in what is unconfirmed to be defamatory behaviour but is in progress

01:38 mjg59_; Especially because you've already made an assertion that appears untrue

01:39 mjg59_; 01:31 < phanes> it gets taken down shortly after on ada site

01:39 phanes; relax, this is just icing stuff at this point. i dont need to clarify anything yet.

01:39 mjg59_; Evidence suggests otherwise

01:39 phanes; we're just exploring the past

01:39 phanes; and finding patterns that extend from where you are today on a timeline

01:40 phanes; i tell ya what though, i have an offer for you that you would consider an olive branch to pull you out of the quicksand

01:41 mjg59_; phanes: Was your claim that the post was taken down from the Ada Initiative website true?

01:41 phanes; i know that youre very arrogant and are less inclined after having a discussion, since you work mostly off FFF valuations

01:41 phanes; but

01:42 phanes; i'll want to have provided it for you to remember that it was there, and it's a real offer

01:42 phanes; with an expiration date

01:42 mjg59_; Having been involved in lawsuits I am well aware of the value of a reasonable settlement

01:42 phanes; it wont cost you a dime. not everyone like us is obsessed with money.

01:43 mjg59_; I'm also well aware that you haven't sued me, so we're not talking about settling a lawsuit

01:43 phanes; you're right, we're not

01:43 mjg59_; So, what's your offer

01:44 phanes; I'll send it in a private message shortly.

01:44 matey; In the FFF system, heat transfer coefficients are conventionally reported as BTU per foot-fathom per degree Fahrenheit per fortnight.

01:44 matey; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFF_system

01:44 TR Bot; FFF system - Wikipedia

01:44 phanes; matey: Fight, Fuck, Flee

01:44 matey; thank you

01:44 matey; though really, thank you for inadvertently leading me to this article as well

01:47 mjg59_; 01:45 <phanes> If you (1) make out a list of everyone you have ever damaged the reputation of in the last ten years. (2) Make a public statement to each of them individually apologizing and retracting what you said to them. (3) commit to me personally and sincerely that you will seek to improve yourself in this area with earnest effort. -- Then I will give you a clean slate.

01:47 mjg59_; Hm. So, I've damaged the reputation of Microsoft at various points in the past 10 years. Am I supposed to apologise to them?

01:47 mjg59_; Also Intel, Google, Red Hat, and more

01:48 phanes; It is your pile of bodies to sort through.

01:48 mjg59_; Cool

01:48 mjg59_; Having a pile of bodies sounds pretty bad-ass

01:48 phanes; I would be the first on the list of your many retractions and apologies.

01:49 phanes; And this is a generous offer.

01:49 mjg59_; phanes: Was your claim that the Ada Initiative removed their post about Ted 4 days after posting it true?

01:50 mjg59_; It seems like a core part of your theory of what happened here

01:50 mjg59_; So I'd really like to understand that aspect of things better

01:50 phanes; It's not even a theory at this point, I'm more musing around on what happened at that point.

01:51 mjg59_; You made an explicit factual assertion

01:51 mjg59_; Was it true?

01:51 phanes; I will clarify nothing for you in this context.

01:52 mjg59_; Ok do you agree that https://web.archive.org/web/20210722022721/https://adainitiative.org/2012/10/25/open-source-software-open-to-all/ indicates that the post was still on the website in 2021, almost 9 years after it was originally posted?

01:52 TR Bot; Open source software: Open to all? | Ada Initiative

01:53 phanes; I do not distract.

01:53 mjg59_; And do you agree that 9 years is longer than 4 days?

01:53 phanes; Well, I do distract, I am not distracted is more accurate.

01:53 matey; its still possible that it was taken down at some point (though im not married to this)

01:54 matey; in between

01:54 phanes; im not either, i was under the impression it was taken down soon after, so, if it wasn't that idea wouldn't have any backing to it

01:54 matey; thats what hes saying

01:55 mjg59_; Here it is in 2013: https://web.archive.org/web/20130310141254/http://adainitiative.org/2012/10/open-source-software-open-to-all/

01:55 TR Bot; Open source software: Open to all?

01:55 phanes; no what he's doing is still playing toy soldier against a tank and hoping to get lucky in a gotcha instead of disengaging conflict to realize he's being given a way out of a problem he created for himself, made worse for himself, and is now super close to unraveling a whole bunch of other stuff he didn't expect

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01:55 matey; there are plenty of good reasons to take stallman down, most of them arent very plausible or relevant

01:55 mjg59_; So if it was taken down it was put back up shortly afterwards

01:56 matey; suppose for example, if stallman were made entirely of a powerful radioactive isotope

01:56 phanes; in all fairness if i didn't have any leverage and were super pissed about not getting my way i'd want to as well

01:56 matey; then taking him down could prevent wwiii

01:56 matey; but i would understand

01:57 matey; especially if other means were explored and found insufficient

01:57 mjg59_; phanes: All I'm saying here is that you made an explicit claim (a post was made on the Ada Initiative website on 2012-10-25 and was taken down by 2012-10-29), you have provided no evidence to support that assertion, and that externally available evidence does not support your position terribly well

01:57 matey; of course imo the point of taking him down was to silence his followers, not just him

01:57 MinceR; 18 025425 < matey> thats what hes saying

01:57 MinceR; that's what she said!

01:57 phanes; MAttie-boy what you're not taking into account is that, let's say you find some way to fabricate a damaging enough lie or find out im some kind of FBI fugitive or some kind of weird bizarre damaging thing, you're still not going to be able to use it because im willing to be destroyed over truth.

01:58 matey; she said it, but we cant say she said it because she said if we said it it would violate the code of conduct

01:58 matey; by the seashore

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01:58 phanes; i mean

01:58 phanes; you could

01:58 phanes; it just won't change anything

01:58 mjg59_; phanes: Is it true that the Ada Initiative blogged about Ted and then took down the post 4 days later?

01:58 MinceR; i don't think there's a good reason to take rms down, considering that he's hardly doing anything anymore

01:58 phanes; there is one, and i mean exactly one path to resolution

01:58 phanes; and after a certain point of escalation you'll have burned that olive branch

01:58 matey; i dont think theres a good reason to take him down, hes already down

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01:59 matey; and the thing he was taken down over was bullshit

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01:59 mjg59_; Ok I think we've reached the point in the conversation where it's obvious that Phanes just made some shit up and can't support it but is unwilling to admit that

01:59 MinceR; yeah

01:59 matey; and if we let it go the same could happen to any of us

01:59 matey; <mjg59_> Ok I think we've reached the point in the conversation where it's obvious that Phanes just made some shit up and can't support it but is unwilling to admit that <- in fairness he mentioned a laundry list

2 AM, July 18

02:00 matey; and im sure this isnt the whole thing

02:00 phanes; no i always was clear that it was an exploration of what happened and i incorporate new information into my thinking as im exposed to it since im not an ideologue

02:00 mjg59_; Oh yeah but you should apply a critical eye to his laundry list when it's clear that he's ok with just making things up without evidence

02:00 phanes; lol

02:00 matey; if mjg has spent his career defaming people unfairly and phanes can stop that, great

02:00 phanes; matt, the text is right here for people to read

02:01 phanes; he wants this to be a phanes thing instead of a matthew garrett thing

02:01 matey; im familiar with the manuever

02:01 mjg59_; Yes, the text where you rely on an unsupported assertion

02:02 matey; phanes, are you familiar with british comedy other than the knight from the round table on your website? presumably yes

02:02 matey; douglas adams?

02:02 phanes; yes, that's part of how conceptual exploration works if you dont have someone mashing your peas to feed to you

02:02 matey; dirk gentlys holistic detective agency?

02:02 phanes; matey: i <3 Douglass Adams

02:02 phanes; matey: have you read his posthumous salmon of doubt?

02:03 matey; did you ever see the television series of dirk gently? its not the same as the books

02:03 phanes; no i haven't lol

02:03 phanes; ill have to check it out

02:03 matey; is there an artificial god (salmon of doubt is one my favourite atheist works

02:03 matey; <phanes> ill have to check it out <- if you check out the first few episodes

02:03 matey; youll have a pretty good idea where im coming from

02:04 matey; dirk gently is played by "DAN!" from im alan partridge

02:04 matey; "lynne, these are sex people!"

02:04 phanes; i think i offered him the olive branch too soon, he's still in "if i find an unrelated gotcha your cited exposure of me wont count and your whole lifetime of established credibility is meaningless bwahahahahah!</wario voice>""

02:05 phanes; i mean really man, your tricks just do not work on someone like me

02:05 matey; ive never offered him one

02:05 mjg59_; Ha ha established credibility woo

02:05 matey; im only interested in what hes actually done, not anything he hasnt, and our exchanges seem cordial

02:06 phanes; yes, in even areas you are an expert in, i am actually more credible than you are to most of society outside of your immediate circles

02:06 phanes; there's a reason for that

02:06 matey; phanes: i believe youve written some software. what are you expert in?

02:06 matey; (ill tell you what im expert in: fuck all)

02:06 matey; /me is not an expert

02:06 phanes; and it's not something you can acquire without spending alot of time working on "who is matthew garrett inside"

02:06 matey; i did get called an sme once, but i think that was hypothetical

02:08 phanes; mjg59_: now, granted, i know your next major strategy is going to involve trying to round up a mob of defamers, and that will backfire as much as every other piece of this has so far, but you really could do better, and you have a choice to

02:08 phanes; it'll be a conscious decision on your part what you do every step of the way

02:08 mjg59_; phanes: What's your predicted outcome if I fail to do what you ask of me? What impact will your attacks have on my life, and over what timescale?

02:08 mjg59_; I'd like to have some meaningful predictions so we can measure how effective you are afterwards

02:09 phanes; mjg59_: while I can see why you'd care, that's none of your business

02:09 mjg59_; Eg, "Matthew Garrett will be fired by his employer within (x) months of his defamatory behaviour being unmasked"

02:09 matey; i have a theory about that, but its general

02:09 mjg59_; Not having a timeline makes it seem like you're not confident that you'll achieve your outcome

02:09 matey; people on the corporate side rarely feel the brunt of the corporate side (all things being relative)

02:09 phanes; You really needed someone dumber to go through this with, but this is what life gave you.

02:10 phanes; Re'd ya book, man.

02:11 phanes; Are you going to be a better person?

02:11 mjg59_; I always strive to be a better person

02:12 mjg59_; But I suspect we disagree on what "better person" means

02:12 phanes; Yes, defaming peope habitually is not what I envision in that. You lack a certain regard for the impact of the damaging things you say about people.

02:12 phanes; Not just with me, either, we've demonstrated that.

02:13 phanes; You're aware you've got a blind spot but you're not aware of when it's showing.

02:13 mjg59_; An alternative explanation here is that you're some kind of fuckup in this respect

02:14 mjg59_; But, as you say, it's not up to us to decide that - other people do it for us

02:14 phanes; The way you become a better person is acknowleding those defects present in every living person, particularly the ones that affect you more than most, and addressing them, and changing your behaviour to counter them.

02:15 phanes; That starts with, and this can be done just internally, you dont have to tell people about it, acknowledging them and deciding to fix them.

02:15 phanes; It's harder than it sounds.

02:15 mjg59_; I'm willing to put money on this! Let's say that if, within 18 months, I have suffered meaningful career damage as a result of you publicising my behaviour, I'll donate $5000 to an abortion support fund of your choice

02:15 matey; /me made this the ending of a charles dickens parody

02:15 mjg59_; And if I haven't, you'll do the same

02:15 mjg59_; Fair? 18 months sounds like enough time for you to manage this

02:16 phanes; No, we won't be doing anything like that.

02:16 mjg59_; Coward

02:16 phanes; Yes repeatedly running circles around you without stooping to your level is somehow cowardice.

02:17 matey; also denis roio on a motorcycle

02:17 phanes; I think you confuse kindness with weakness.

02:17 phanes; It's a common trait for the weak.

02:18 mjg59_; I feel like donating $5000 to an abortion support fund is pretty kind?

02:19 matey; /me wonders what james randi is up to

02:19 mjg59_; It just sounds like you're not confident that anything you do here is going to have any impact on me

02:19 phanes; Oh. I get it. You're trying to convert the pressure you're under into narcissistic supply for a serotonin rescue. Not happening.

02:19 phanes; Simply because you asked for it, if you need a reason.

02:20 phanes; You don't understand what's going on here.

02:21 mjg59_; I understand that you're insufficiently confident in the outcome of your attacks here that you're unwilling to have money donated to a cause you support

02:22 phanes; Then the concepts we've discussed here were over your head.

02:23 phanes; I'm actually seriously confused by intellectual grade displayed through this saga so far, I really had been expecting a string mind for a previous kernel developer, and I had prepared for that, but you come across like a normie.

02:23 phanes; strong

02:23 phanes; *

02:24 phanes; you're navigating this just so....poorly

02:24 phanes; not that i can complain about that, i just wonder if you've got something going on

02:25 matey; /me likes columbo more than jordan peterson

02:25 phanes; none of my business, but if you do, and that's contributed to your defamation in some instances, i'd like to know about it and am wiling to preserve confidence on it

02:26 phanes; columbo was awesome

02:26 phanes; i grew up watching old reruns

02:27 matey; he never did figure out if fred savage was really sick though

02:27 matey; or just using it as an alibi

02:28 matey; and he never questioned the six-fingered man, or even reported inigo montoya

02:29 phanes; :/

02:29 phanes; wow we got up to 330k people for exposure last week lol

02:30 matey; who?

02:30 phanes; this abuseonline thing

02:30 matey; oh thats you?

02:30 *phanes shrugs

02:31 phanes; SILO GROUP is taking abuse reports

02:31 phanes; at their abuse@silogroup.org email set up over a year ago

02:32 phanes; those are the only details i'll provide

02:32 phanes; besides this: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2022-07-16/

02:32 TR Bot;

02:32 matey; no i hadnt noticed is all

02:33 matey; yeah it mentions your tweet

02:33 matey; https://www.abuseonline.org/database/secondary-actors/Patterson,%20Meredith/start_notes.md

02:33 TR Bot;

02:33 matey; :(

02:34 matey; i didnt know she was party to this

02:34 phanes; yeah the appelbaum thing is touchy in terms of formalizing the reporting on it because its so socially charged

02:35 matey; my impression is that patterson called it like she saw it and meant no ill will

02:36 matey; have you read her article on...

02:36 phanes; we dont want to make any assertions on whether appelbaum did bad things but do want to highlight false reporting in it to potentially identify serial defamers in other issues

02:36 phanes; by the way did you know matthew garrett was close to that situation?

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02:36 matey; he comes up a lot during these conversations

02:36 matey; ive stopped keeping track

02:36 phanes; yeah i wonder why

02:36 phanes; its almost like

02:37 phanes; there's a consistent pattern of something somewhere

02:37 matey; you should read pattersons VERY LONG article

02:37 phanes; mjg59_: what was your involvement in the appelbaum thing again? i think we've talked about it before

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02:37 matey; i dont think shes in favour of wrongfully accusing anyone

02:37 matey; mistakenly accusing someone is another matter

02:37 phanes; matey: do you have a link to patterson's article on it

02:37 matey; i think she has a stallman-like integrity. but anyone can be mistaken.

02:38 matey; i will find you one

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02:38 britney; phanes, Jacob Appelbaum?

02:39 matey; very long. but one of my favourite articles

02:39 matey; https://medium.com/@maradydd/when-nerds-collide-31895b01e68c

02:39 TR Bot; Nerds Collide. My intersectionality will have weirdoes | by Meredith L. Patterson | Medium

02:39 matey; i dont think shes a cancel culture figure

02:39 matey; i could be wrong too

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02:40 phanes; britney: yes jacob appelbaum

02:40 matey; havent read this http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6642&cpage=1

02:40 TR Bot; Meredith Pattersons valiant effort is probably doomed Armed and Dangerous

02:40 matey; dont even know what its about

02:41 mjg59_; phanes: Beyond calling a rapist a rapist? Nothing.

02:41 matey; https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/05/how-we-may-mesh/ I am reminded of Meredith Patterson's classic piece "When Nerds Collide: My intersectionality will have weirdos or it will be bullshit." I'll give her the last words here: Having a community they...

02:41 TR Bot; the war between hacker culture and codes of conduct TechCrunch

02:41 phanes; matey: my impression of patterson is "highly neurodivergent, was exploited for narrative building" but i dont have the facts yet and am still learning about it

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02:41 matey; then i think we concur, until we have more information

02:42 phanes; mjg59_: no, no, no, im talking about a conversation about inviting victims to come forward anonymously

02:42 phanes; didn't you personally talk to some of the victims and push the whole thing along?

02:43 phanes; i may have mixed two separate conversations in my memory

02:45 mjg59_; phanes: No?

02:45 phanes; didn't somebody confide in you and you encouraged them to organize or somehow facilitated a medium or something, i could swear you had, i'd have to check my logs

02:46 mjg59_; I'd recommend you not swear I did, because you're wrong

02:46 phanes; i give zero shits what you recommend

02:47 matey; didn't you personally talk to some of the victims and push the whole thing along? <- wait, i think i know what hes referring to

02:47 phanes; anyway, ill have to go log surfing on my old znc host and see if i can find what im trying to remember, it may have not even been you

02:47 matey; mjg i swear you told me you personally knew SOME of the victims in [some other rape victim story than this] and told me you talked to them

02:47 matey; fuck if i know which one it was though

02:48 matey; does that sound right?

02:48 mjg59_; matey: Oh, I know several of Jake's victims - but I only talked to them after these events

02:48 matey; thats gotta be it

02:48 mjg59_; And after everything was publicised

02:48 phanes; yeah for some reason that's not syncing right in my memory

02:48 matey; yeah

02:48 phanes; in terms of timing

02:48 phanes; ill have to validate in my old logs

02:48 mjg59_; Dunno sounds like you're defaming me here

02:49 phanes; it doesn't to me, and im the one with credibility

02:49 phanes; you have none

02:50 mjg59_; Says the guy who adopted a woman's identity to abuse people on the internet

02:50 phanes; you actually have negative credibility on things like this after last week

02:50 phanes; mjg59_: are you referring to this incident? https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/2021-05-25/

02:50 TR Bot;

02:51 phanes; see that's why you have credibility problems. you use false light to wordsmith and its not doing you any favors

02:51 phanes; a statement designed to cast a false impression

02:51 phanes; it'll never work on me

02:52 phanes; and the sad part is

02:52 phanes; i think that may be all you have

02:52 phanes; in terms of executive capability

02:52 phanes; like

02:52 phanes; is there any part of your life that wasn't built on tearing someone down with statements crafted for that purpose?

02:52 phanes; i mean

02:52 phanes; look at me

02:53 phanes; i dont do that

02:53 mjg59_; I mean, that's not how I got any of my jobs

02:53 phanes; i worked hard for all of my stuff

02:53 phanes; not as high profile, admittedly, but its all rock solid earned

02:53 mjg59_; And I'm pretty sure that people don't date me based on me having said mean things to other people on the internet

02:53 mjg59_; And my hobbies don't involve any of this

02:53 mjg59_; So yeah

02:53 mjg59_; Pretty sure

02:54 phanes; so about that

02:54 phanes; have you dated anyone close to the peter todd accusations

02:55 mjg59_; I'm engaged to the person he sued?

02:56 phanes; oh he sued her? why?

02:56 mjg59_; Sorry, who are you talking about?

02:56 phanes; im not sure im tracking you right-- you dated someone that peter todd sued in the context of rape allegations against him?

02:56 mjg59_; Yes

02:56 phanes; oh wow

02:56 phanes; what a coincidence, who was that?

02:56 mjg59_; How many people has he sued?

02:57 mjg59_; I'm sure you're aware that the outcome of the case was that calling him a rapist was legitimate protected speach

02:57 phanes; only one that submitted a third party affadavid for a jane doe to avoid perjury liability and then used anti-slapp loopholes to avoid merit contests

02:57 phanes; *affadavit

02:58 mjg59_; "anti-slapp loopholes"?

02:58 mjg59_; I'm not sure that following the law is a loophole

02:58 mjg59_; Anti-slapp provisions don't alter whether anything is defamatory or not, they just allow cases to be thrown out if it's clear that the plaintiff won't win

02:58 phanes; exactly

02:59 phanes; so

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02:59 phanes; there was no court filing that it was protected speech there, it was thrown out over anti-slapp precedents

02:59 phanes; wouldn't you agree with that?

02:59 mjg59_; Right, because it was protected speech

3 AM, July 18

03:00 mjg59_; The point of anti-slapp statutes is to ensure that protected speech can't be silenced using the legal system

03:00 phanes; i find it laughable that you think calling someone a rapist is protected speech

03:00 mjg59_; It's literally protected speech?

03:00 phanes; when it's true

03:00 phanes; im aware of what the intent of anti-slapp is

03:00 mjg59_; And there's sworn testimony that Todd raped someone

03:01 phanes; and it is not to provide blanket immunity for defamation

03:02 phanes; funny things happen in courtroom outcomes sometimes, i'm not familiar with the details of the case admittedly, i just know that the material accusation was never brough to contest and that the case was thrown out over some very technical precedents that probably would have been overturned in an appeal

03:02 phanes; is there sworn testimony of that? I'd like to read it

03:03 phanes; testimony that wasn't anonymously submitted by a third party i mean

03:03 mjg59_; I literally pointed you at it earlier?

03:03 mjg59_; It was not anonymously submitted

03:03 mjg59_; The witness's identity was sealed

03:03 matey; /me wonders what todd did that makes him important enough to take down with false rape accusations (please note i am not implying validity or lack thereof regarding such accusations, as im completely unfamiliar with peter todd)

03:03 mjg59_; The court is aware of who was testifying

03:03 mjg59_; As was Todd

03:04 mjg59_; If the assertion that Todd was a rapist was not protected speech then his claim regarding him being referred to as a rapist would not have been thrown out

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03:05 phanes; sounds pretty technical

03:05 matey; ah, bitcoin

03:06 phanes; i disagree with the concept of anti-slapp measures but appreciate their sentiment. to avoid challenging the merits of a case

03:06 phanes; i mean

03:06 phanes; it just feels like a circumvention of justice

03:07 phanes; a shield for the innocent certainly

03:07 phanes; a shield for the guilty as well

03:09 matey; Todd is suing a security researcher named Isis Lovecruft for defamation after Lovecruft publicly accused Todd of rape and harassment in a series of tweets. Lovecruft was also pivotal in the claims against Appelbaum. As Todd pushes to question her credibility, Appelbaum has become a source for testimony in the case.

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03:09 matey; source: https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/2/20895270/jacob-appelbaum-peter-todd-rape-allegations-defamation-bitcoin-tor

03:09 TR Bot; A disgraced Tor developer has resurfaced to testify against one of his accusers - The Verge

03:09 phanes; apparently the defendant in this case had a dispute over Zcash with Todd right before the accusations

03:09 matey; so theres actually a very substantial connection between todd and appelbaum

03:10 phanes; yeah i need to read all of this a little closer soon

03:10 matey; its news to me

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03:10 matey; i dont think ive ever heard of peter todd before today (at least i dont recognise the name)

03:10 matey; i ignore cryptocurrency mostly.

03:10 matey; and bitcoin i ignore entirely

03:10 phanes; most of these are new names to me as well

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03:11 phanes; im not even sure what sarah was even notable for, wasn't she on the tor project or something

03:13 phanes; maybe something in algo

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03:17 phanes; i think he may be telling the truth about the witness being identified to the court and having their name sealed from the public record

03:17 matey; i disagree with the concept of anti-slapp measures but appreciate their sentiment. <- without them, microsoft could just sue any person that said something they didnt like

03:18 matey; and the person would have to fight it, at great expense

03:18 matey; and techrights would not exist

03:18 matey; techrights would DEFINITELY not exist

03:18 phanes; matey: oh for org->person contests, yeah, totally get it, but for person->person contests, i think the merits of the case being tried is a pivotal concept of why we even have courts and that removing that with anti-slapp makes the court system more useless

03:19 matey; i can appreciate the distinction

03:19 matey; though if i say ballmer did x at microsoft...

03:19 matey; hes one of the ten richest people on earth

03:19 phanes; if its a person suing a person, a judge needs to settle the issue on the merits of the case and thats why we use courts in a civilization instead of frontier justice

03:20 matey; and thats why we use courts in a civilization instead of frontier justice <- you must have seen a bunch of lawyers working for the common good that i didnt know existed

03:20 phanes; most lawyers i know are incredible human beings with unquestionable integrity, who i would trust my life with

03:21 matey; i dont think anti-slapp prevents legitimate cases from being heard

03:21 matey; it i think it prevents bogus cases from being weaponised

03:21 matey; (some of them)

03:22 matey; bullshit patents are still filed and weaponised, but alice limits what they can do

03:22 matey; antislapp laws are like the defamation version of alice (imo)

03:23 matey; in this context i can see how you would be against them

03:23 matey; and tbh i havent seen them in this context before

03:24 phanes; ive also met a couple lawyers who were turds of human beings, to append my earlier statement

03:24 matey; so my overall impression of them as an overall good is unscathed-- for now

03:24 mjg59_; The point of anti-slapp is to allow defamation cases that stand no chance of prevailing to be thrown out before there's a hugely expensive trial

03:24 matey; right

03:24 mjg59_; The accusations are considered in court

03:24 mjg59_; It doesn't bypass the court

03:24 phanes; that's the intent anyway

03:24 phanes; it does, it removes a contest of material facts of the case

03:24 phanes; tangent point, we dont have to agree on it

03:25 matey; wouldnt defamation materials be included in the argument itself

03:25 matey; this isnt a murder trial with dna samples

03:26 phanes; mjg59_: who was the owner of the appelbaum website btw?

03:27 AdmFubar; this must make RMS go, WTF? https://torrentfreak.com/research-suggests-that-software-piracy-lowers-poverty-220717/

03:27 TR Bot; Suggests That Software Piracy Lowers Poverty * TorrentFreak

03:27 matey; A former not-for-profit which supported women in open technology and culture through events, codes of conduct, and ally skills training

03:27 matey; is there a postmortem on the ada initiative?

03:28 phanes; matey: i dont have one but would like the bookmark, i need to do some social nodal analysis on this forming cluster of movers as they all seem to have strong associations and low betweenness centrality

03:28 matey; The Ada Initiative was a non-profit organization that sought to increase women's participation in the free culture movement, open source technology and open culture. The organization was founded in 2011 by Linux kernel developer and open source advocate Valerie Aurora and open source developer and advocate Mary Gardiner

03:29 matey; thats wikipedia

03:29 matey; the previous quote was from the ada initiative homepage (still online)

03:29 phanes; yeah i would avoid wikipedia for finding incriminating details as they are super biased

03:29 phanes; especially with this kind of thing and these specific people

03:29 matey; thats not what im using them fore

03:30 matey; According to the announcement, the Initiative's executive leadership decided to step down, and the organization was unable to find acceptable replacement leaders.

03:30 matey; i take biases into account

03:30 matey; columbo didnt only talk to people he trusted

03:30 matey; he talked to people who were frequently lying about not killing someone

03:30 matey; some of the best clues are from people who are utterly full of shit

03:30 phanes; lol

03:31 matey; so wikipedia is a goldmine

03:31 matey; either way

03:32 phanes; mjg59_: what was your dissertation on?

03:33 matey; The Ada Initiative was governed by a seven-person board of directors, who oversaw its management. The board included co-founder Mary Gardiner, Sue Gardner, Amelia Greenhall, Rachel Chalmers, Alicia Gibb, Andrea Horbinski and Marina Zhurakhinskaya.

03:33 matey; (of these, only chalmers signed the anti-rms list)

03:34 matey; understanding free software history is one of the few keys to its future

03:34 matey; and this is a very key event

03:34 matey; its hardly the only important thing going on

03:34 matey; the rebuilding is at least as important

03:34 phanes; id really like to see if there's any validation to eric's claims there

03:35 matey; eric who/where

03:35 phanes; eric raymond

03:35 phanes; esr

03:35 matey; oh, i dont much much stock in him

03:35 matey; what claim?

03:35 phanes; he was very credible at one point

03:35 matey; maybe

03:36 matey; but what claim?

03:36 phanes; he reported very loudly around i think 2016 or so about Ada Initiative staff engaging in honeypot operations trying to entrap key f/oss figures

03:36 matey; oh that

03:37 matey; i wouldnt be surprised if that sort of thing happens

03:37 phanes; i dont know him to make things up

03:37 phanes; if he says that it means at least that he believes it

03:37 matey; as to whether the ada initiative had anything to do with it, i dont know much about them

03:37 matey; i consider his beliefs to be muddled and self-serving

03:37 matey; with that said, its a story / claim im interested in

03:38 matey; regardless of who it comes from

03:38 matey; does anyone other than esr know anything about it?

03:39 matey; or is he the sole whistleblower?

03:39 phanes; i dont know

03:39 matey; i find the attacks on torvalds in particular to be very plausible

03:39 matey; i dont like torvalds at all, but it wasnt about torvalds (and its not about stallman)

03:40 phanes; there's a trillion reasons a year to target tarvolds

03:40 matey; stallman was attacked to hobble the entire movement

03:40 phanes; yeah that shit was transparent

03:40 matey; there's a trillion reasons a year to target tarvolds <- nah, hes just a dick

03:40 phanes; he is a dick

03:40 matey; torvalds was attacked to replace tso with gkh

03:41 matey; or maybe not-- but thats been my opinion for years

03:41 phanes; if you gathered the mightiest dicks for a dickiest dick competition he'd get a medal

03:41 matey; he would be a runner up

03:41 matey; gkh is a bigger dick

03:41 phanes; yeah like maybe 4th

03:41 matey; so is jim zemlin

03:41 matey; maybe even esr but i think esr is just nuts (first) dick (second)

03:41 phanes; what i appreciate about tarvolds dickishness is how nonprejudiced its application is

03:41 matey; nuts as in crazy, despite its proximity to dick in a line of text

03:42 matey; yeah torvalds had some level of fairness to his dickishness

03:42 phanes; im not sure

03:42 matey; i didnt start calling him a dick until his dickishness became one-sided

03:42 matey; im not sure either

03:42 phanes; eric is a serious bastard

03:42 phanes; but i dont think he's crazy or a liar

03:43 matey; i think he wants to be seen as that

03:43 phanes; angry for sure

03:43 matey; i dont know if he lies per se

03:43 phanes; that dude could cook dinner with his anger

03:47 matey; https://www.abuseonline.org/database/secondary-actors/Patterson,%20Meredith/start_notes.md <- SUPER interesting

03:47 TR Bot;

03:48 matey; while i know enough people that think applebaum is guilty, too many to rule out the plausibility

03:48 matey; i consider that hes high profile and someone that corporations might want to take down

03:49 matey; someone breaking up a consensual makeout session because of the look on someones face is practically (non-sexual) assault

03:49 matey; if not literally

03:49 mjg59_; phanes: I have no idea who ran the website, I wasn't involved

03:50 mjg59_; phanes: "Comparative genomic analysis as a tool for locating novel functional elements in D. melanogaster"

03:50 matey; i dont assume this has any bearing on the whole of the appelbaum situation

03:50 matey; rather its the most interesting facet of it ive seen

03:50 matey; by interesting i mean intriguing, unusual

03:52 matey; So I watched this for about two to three minutes and then I decide to go and do something and just mount a very very subtle intervention. Which is, I go over, I shake Jakes hand I tell him what a great job hes doing with the Tor project <- breaking up an intense makeout session isnt TOO subtle

03:52 matey; even if i had hardcore fans id expect them not to interrupt something like that to shake my hand

03:54 matey; I recall Tan approaching me, asking me if Jacob was harassing me. I said he wasnt. Nevertheless, Tan dragged me away and immediately started talking intensely to Jake. At that point I decided to leave, since my friend was waiting for me.

03:54 matey; given the sheer number of stories about this

03:55 matey; i can easily see how this wouldnt do anything to prove his innocence or cast doubt on guilt

03:55 DaemonFC; The whole country is falling apart while Brandon argues in court over transgender bathroom laws.

03:55 matey; but it might prove how zealous some people are to police the (consensual) actions of others

03:55 DaemonFC; The Democrats are going to get a total wipeout this year.

03:56 matey; And the other males who we were with were basically just kind of joking amongst themselves and dont really seem to see anything wrong with it, which is really quite distressing <- yeah well

03:56 matey; they hadnt spent the past three minutes watching two people make out

03:56 DaemonFC; People see this shit going on and it becomes 100% obvious that we've got a president that doesn't give a fuck about them and wouldn't know how to fix any of these problems even if he did.

03:56 matey; so why would they be distressed?

03:57 matey; it was so obvious that this was an assault in progress that everyone should just be like OMG, WTF

03:58 matey; and then maybe forcibly pull him away like andy dick by talk show security (which probably was justified)

03:59 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/national/ap-us-news/2-killed-in-shooting-at-indiana-mall-many-hurt-police-say/

03:59 TR Bot; Chief: 3 dead in Indiana mall shooting; witness kills gunman | WGN-TV

03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.71 k/sec., IPFS upstream 19.55 average k/sec., average swarm size 290.90

03:59 matey; andy dicks boundaries are so bad they probably shouldnt let him on a set without an electric shock belt or something

03:59 DaemonFC; An armed citizen shot and killed the gunman before he could kill more people.

03:59 matey; "you guys be VERY NICE to my GOOD FRIEND andy dick"-- snoop letting his bodyguards know that andy dick wasnt welcome to bother him further

4 AM, July 18

04:00 matey; (which probably was justified) <- this is generous, i think he was rubbing the leg of the daughter of the president or something

04:01 matey; i dont think they planned this, but who knows

04:05 matey; note this was written in 2014 https://techcrunch.com/2014/07/12/the-great-fragmentation-we-are-all-weirdos-now/

04:05 TR Bot; Great Fragmentation: We Are All Weirdos Now TechCrunch

04:05 matey; in the short term, way too optimistic

04:05 matey; in the long term, who knows

04:06 matey; Everyone always talks about that kind of polarization in terms of left-wing vs. right-wing politics, loss of civility, doom of society, etc etc etc. But a far more interesting corollary, if you ask me, is this: all those quirky little Internet subcommunities and subreddits to which people increasingly belong? The polarization effect means that they will just keep getting quirkier and more idiosyncratic.

04:06 matey; ^ i agree

04:06 matey; In other words, as a direct result of technology, our entire society will, slowly but steadily, become weirder and more fragmented.

04:06 matey; ^ this has maybe already happened

04:06 matey; Dismayed? Dont be. This is excellent news.

04:06 matey; ^ he could be way off

04:07 matey; another possibility is this destroys society for good

04:07 matey; it probably wont, but i wouldnt be too optimistic, too soon

04:07 matey; for the short term, i dont think society is too coherent

04:07 DaemonFC; https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-officer-suicide-hotline-officers-commit-prevention/12057763/?ex_cid=TA_WLS_FB&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A+New+Content+%28Feed%29&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook

04:07 TR Bot; Chicago police officer suicide: 3rd cop dies from self-inflicted gunshot wound in wave of suicides within CPD - ABC7 Chicago

04:07 DaemonFC; Three in a month this month.

04:07 matey; even friends seem... less like friends

04:08 matey; there are exceptions to this, just fewer of them than before

04:09 matey; if everyone is at war with everyone over everything, that just means weve engineered a planet of narcissistic tyrants

04:09 matey; though i consider this more of a hazard than a conclusion

04:10 matey; Given a choice between

04:10 matey; the de facto cultural tyranny of a genuine mainstream majority

04:10 matey; a society in which people accept that, for any given context, its mainstream will be a plurality rather than a majority, and adjust their behavior and expectation accordingly

04:10 matey; those arent the only choices

04:10 matey; how about a countless number of little petty tyrannies?

04:10 matey; why is he not considering that possibility (thats what most of the internet and all of twitter seems like now)

04:12 matey; note im not saying lets go back to de facto cultural tyranny

04:12 matey; i always found that boring, and its still boring

04:12 matey; but countless petty tyrannies isnt interesting, just annoying

04:12 matey; mosquitoes buzzing in your ear and having to swat them constantly isnt "interesting"

04:12 matey; at least not to me

04:13 matey; i did like the title though

04:19 matey; https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/todd-rokita-child-rape-abortion-case-1383138/

04:19 TR Bot; Conservatives Respond to Child Rape Arrest by Vilifying Doctors - Rolling Stone

04:19 matey; insane country is insane

04:20 matey; she only had to travel to indiana because ohio made it too difficult for a raped 10 year old to get abortion there.

04:20 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/w1djky/the_uk_is_about_to_see_the_highest_ever_recorded/

04:20 TR Bot; The UK is about to see the highest ever recorded temperatures and 'Don't Look Up' is essentially playing out in the media : LateStageCapitalism

04:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2]'s country and global warming denial.

04:22 DaemonFC; It's nice to see they basically have their own Fox News thing going on.

04:22 DaemonFC; "But what about that hot summer in 1976?"

04:24 DaemonFC; He's over there talking about thousands of people in the UK dying of excess heat and she's over there grinning like a moron and playing pop music so you can't even hear the guy talk.

04:28 phanes; it is absolutely shameful they didn't allow exceptions in those trigger laws

04:29 DaemonFC; <matey> she only had to travel to indiana because ohio made it too difficult for a raped 10 year old to get abortion there.

04:29 phanes; at least for rape, incest, mental/physical health of the mother, deformities

04:29 DaemonFC; And in a couple of weeks, Indiana will ban it too.

04:29 DaemonFC; Then you'll have to make it to Illinois if your uncle rapes you and gets you pregnant and you're 10.

04:31 DaemonFC; Then, the next time the Republicans have full control of the federal government, they'll just ban abortion nationally and you'll have to go to Canada.

04:32 DaemonFC; 3 weeks after saying abortion should be a state and local issue, the Republicans in the House unveiled a bill that would ban abortion everywhere in the country.

04:32 matey; at least

04:32 matey; The agency already has methods for speedily approving new vaccine formulations. After all, it signs off on fresh flu vaccines every year without a top-to-bottom review process, Mokdad pointed out. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/covid-omicron-ba5-cdc-fda-fail-1383887/

04:32 TR Bot; BA.5 Covid-19 Omicron Variant: How FDA, CDC Are Failing Us - Rolling Stone

04:33 matey; i thought this line was particularly interesting: " it signs off on fresh flu vaccines every year without a top-to-bottom review process"

04:33 DaemonFC; That's because the process for making a new flu vaccine doesn't change much year to year.

04:34 phanes; man

04:34 phanes; why aren't the amish communities wiped out completely by covid

04:34 phanes; they barely took a hit

04:35 matey; another good one https://techcrunch.com/2016/03/05/how-we-may-mesh/

04:35 TR Bot; the war between hacker culture and codes of conduct TechCrunch

04:35 matey; why aren't the amish communities wiped out completely by covid <- interesting question

04:35 phanes; theyre asa antivax as it gets

04:36 phanes; *they're as antivax as it gets

04:37 matey; https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-amish-idUSL2N2NZ1TY

04:37 TR Bot; Check-Amish communities have been affected by the COVID-19 pandemic | Reuters

04:37 matey; we are talking about something that kills what, about 1% if that?

04:38 phanes; i assume they're all like "oh, jebediah passed on at 104 the other day an he had covid" and the news is like "GLOBAL DEATHS IN AMISH COMMUNITY UP 125%"

04:38 phanes; those people are so healthy its stupid

04:39 matey; there are about 350,000 amish, i guess

04:39 matey; so if it killed 1% of them-- which is an alarmist estimate i believe

04:39 matey; that would be 3500 out of 350000

04:41 phanes; theyre also starting to report herd immunity

04:41 matey; they also believe in jesus

04:41 matey; which is fine with me, but its not terribly scientific

04:41 phanes; i'd consider an amish life if it wasn't so much damned hard work

04:42 matey; the damned hard work is the point

04:42 matey; youre expected to be modest in everything

04:42 phanes; sure i'd live 30 years longer but i'd spend that 30 years building barns in the hot frickin' sun with no a/c

04:42 matey; you think amish live 30 years longer?

04:43 phanes; they dont by trend

04:44 phanes; i smoke a pack a day and eat trans fats yo

04:44 matey; who is what

04:44 matey; stackexchange?

04:45 matey; The current life expectancy of members of the Old Order Amish community is about 72 years, nearly the same as the life expectancy of the average American. Nearly, that is, except for two significant differences. First, among the Amish, the 72-year life expectancy is for men and women, while in the general population women tend to outlive men by about seven years.

04:45 matey; Second, the Amish have had a 72-year life expectancy not only for the past few decades, as have most Americans, but for the last 300 yearssince they settled in the United States in the 1700s, when most people living in America were dying in their 40s.

04:45 matey; i dont think you know me, we did talk about a year or so ago

04:45 matey; briefly, and i dont know what handle i used at the time

04:46 DaemonFC; https://twitter.com/CryptoParadyme/status/1547088449022222336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547088449022222336%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theverge.com%2F2022%2F7%2F14%2F23216415%2Fsouth-park-crypto-paramount-plus-streaming-wars-part-2

04:46 TR Bot; New South Park movie aired tonight. They made fun of Matt Damon selling out for Crypto and uh well https://t.co/FTIXSbRRbL

04:46 TR Bot; New South Park movie aired tonight. They made fun of Matt Damon selling out for Crypto and uh well https://t.co/FTIXSbRRbL

04:47 AdmFubar; some amish/Mennonites have more modern conveniences. just depends what subgroups you are in

04:47 phanes; i just dont want to do manual labor

04:47 matey; im fine with manual labour

04:47 matey; but not in the quantities the amish do it :)

04:47 AdmFubar; just be one of the clergy then

04:47 phanes; i also dont want to get treated weird every time my beard gets itchy and i trim it

04:48 AdmFubar; >^_^<

04:48 phanes; i also couldn't give up

04:48 phanes; fraternization

04:48 matey; different sects have different expectations

04:48 matey; fraternization <- hey yeah

04:48 matey; so dont become amish, mormon, jw...

04:48 AdmFubar; personally I'd avoid the inbreeding....

04:49 matey; obviously catholic is fine :)

04:49 phanes; eh

04:49 matey; they fraternise so much its a wonder theres any left for the rest of us

04:49 phanes; depends on what youre willing to put up with and what kind of catholic

04:49 matey; doesnt it though

04:49 phanes; mexican catholic, you bet

04:50 phanes; id wife up

04:50 matey; for someone who likes air conditioning you keep running away from it

04:50 matey; no i figure they must have it or theyd all be dead by now

04:51 phanes; lol

04:52 matey; I was on a tour that visited an Amish community a few years back. They had a wood-furniture-making business. In addition to the Amish, there was one non-Amish man working there, so there was his one car parked outside. They remarked that this was convenient in case they had to rush someone to the hospital.

04:52 matey; using a car is fine

04:52 matey; owning one is immodest

04:52 matey; thats the difference

04:54 AdmFubar; some own cars

04:54 AdmFubar; it is really weird seeing them with cell phones

04:54 phanes; man i am really not looking forward to all the distracting drama that guy is going to cause dropping what he thinks is a nuke, that does absolutely nothing to further his cause and hardens my resolve leaving me perfectly fine

04:55 phanes; they all do this same pattern

04:55 AdmFubar; and then there are the teenagers with the high powered stereos in their buggies

04:56 phanes; and it will end with him careening in a bitter rage saying anything he thinks sounds cool to try to cover it up for the rest of his life instead of just being a grownup for an hour one saturday and all of us moving on

04:56 matey; i missed the line before that one

04:56 matey; it will show up in five minutes if you dont care to repeat it

04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 30.35 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 314.40

04:59 phanes; i love amish made food and furniture

04:59 phanes; expensive though

04:59 matey; havent had amish food

04:59 phanes; like 25k for an exec desk

04:59 matey; their furniture is impressive

04:59 phanes; solid too

04:59 matey; but what do you expect from people that can put up a barn in a day, and it wont be a piece of shit

5 AM, July 18

05:00 phanes; i bought my dog from an amish breeder

05:00 phanes; when he was like 6 weeks old

05:00 matey; can you hire amish people to build you a barn? that seems way more convenient than getting contractors

05:01 matey; you pay all at once and voila, its up

05:01 phanes; prob not affordably

05:01 matey; its not something i considered

05:01 matey; it would be cool to watch though

05:02 phanes; plus i dont think theyd find us particularly hospitable

05:02 phanes; when the men go to work in amish communities for a barn raising the wives put out a table with drinks and make a big meal for everybody

05:02 matey; that sounds reasonable

05:03 matey; expensive, but reasonable

05:03 phanes; when's the last time you laid out an accomodations table for a plumber or handyman

05:03 matey; whens the last time either one put up a whole fucking barn in a single day?

05:03 phanes; theyre big burly dudes too they'll drink gallons of lemonade

05:03 matey; im not saying theyre useless

05:04 phanes; reminds me of tall dwarves

05:04 matey; i get what youre saying

05:04 matey; but if i could afford a barn id look into what it cost to have the amish do it

05:04 matey; and if they expect to be fed, thats not unreasonable

05:04 phanes; if i could afford a farm i'd leave IT and none of you would ever hear my name again

05:05 matey; arent you in ohio? or was that someone else in here

05:05 phanes; yeah im in ohio

05:05 matey; how much does a farm go for?

05:05 phanes; a successful one? about a million

05:05 matey; i can see how you dont have that stored away

05:05 matey; the line came in

05:05 matey; they all do this same pattern

05:06 matey; and it will end with him careening in a bitter rage saying anything he thinks sounds cool to try to cover it up for the rest of his life instead of just being a grownup for an hour one saturday and all of us moving on

05:06 phanes; yeah, that dude

05:06 matey; which one?

05:06 phanes; all ego and no brains

05:06 phanes; garrett

05:07 phanes; he's got some nuclear plan he's working on he thinks i dont know about

05:07 matey; he doesnt seem like the bitter rage type tbh

05:07 phanes; oh, he will

05:07 matey; but maybe he hides it

05:07 phanes; narcissists follow common patterns

05:07 matey; agreed

05:07 phanes; he'll drop his nuke and laugh for a few days while the content integrates his development

05:08 phanes; i'll have a bunch of drama for a bit that will end with me being better off than before he started

05:08 phanes; and then he'll get sulking

05:08 phanes; and that's when the really bizarre accusations will come out

05:08 matey; im looking at this as a group dynamic

05:08 DaemonFC; https://abc7chicago.com/san-francisco-ca-parking-violation-us-army-aerial-view/12057255/

05:08 TR Bot; Parking violation: US Army aerial view expert helped San Francisco, CA couple park in driveway again after threat of $1.5K fine - ABC7 Chicago

05:09 DaemonFC; Easier to just sell the place, leave, and move to America.

05:09 matey; there may be exceptions, but there are still rules, as you say

05:09 phanes; he's going to go around to literally anyone he can find who would say something about me and then start socializing the old smears of people just like him that i want to document

05:09 matey; dont take this the wrong way

05:09 DaemonFC; San Francisco is a bunch of artsy fartsy snobs stepping in homeless people poop.

05:09 DaemonFC; That's really all it is.

05:09 matey; have you considered the possibility that youre not important enough to him

05:10 phanes; oh im sure there's an element of discount, positive, 100%

05:10 phanes; nevertheless he'll scan it every day for the next 10 years just like he does this place

05:10 matey; theres a plausible reason why he does that here

05:11 phanes; he thinks he's being treated unfairly because he's not used to being held accountable

05:11 phanes; so he's scanning for that magic nugget he can use for a serotonin boost and "win"

05:12 phanes; as for the tactics, i can't talk about that here because he'll alter his pattern if he knows im predicting him

05:13 matey; he might not

05:13 DaemonFC; https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-37-WebUI-Install-Preview

05:13 TR Bot; 37 Hopes To Have A Preview Of The New Web-Based Install UI - Phoronix

05:13 DaemonFC; There's nothing wrong with the way Anaconda looks or functions now.

05:13 phanes; web based install ui

05:13 phanes; wtf

05:13 phanes; why would someone use that

05:13 matey; i dunno, who does?

05:14 phanes; netinstall, sure, smaller image

05:14 matey; have you looked at the source code for libre.js?

05:14 phanes; no i avoid js anything almost

05:15 phanes; im waiting for that entire ecosystem to collapse

05:15 DaemonFC; https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/BIOSBootISOWithGrub2

05:15 TR Bot; Changes/BIOSBootISOWithGrub2 - Fedora Project Wiki

05:16 DaemonFC; syslinux never failed to handle any "legacy" BIOS system I've seen.

05:16 DaemonFC; Not sure why to ditch it now if GRUB2 doesn't always handle such systems properly.

05:16 matey; https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/librejs.git/tree/build.sh

05:16 TR Bot; build.sh - librejs.git - LibreJS

05:16 matey; JASMINE_URL="https://github.com/jasmine/jasmine/releases/download/v$JASMINE_VER/jasmine-standalone-$JASMINE_VER.zip"

05:16 matey; curl -L -o "$JASMINE_LIB.zip" "$JASMINE_URL" && unzip -d test/ $JASMINE_LIB.zip lib/**

05:16 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://github.com/jasmine/jasmine/releases/download/v$JASMINE_VER/jasmine-standalone-$JASMINE_VER.zip )

05:16 matey; rm -f "$JASMINE_LIB.zip"

05:16 phanes; they need to maintream a couple grub alternatives

05:17 matey; i think you vastly overestimate the power they have left

05:17 matey; if you mean the fsf or gnu

05:18 DaemonFC; https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_i686_JDKs

05:18 TR Bot; Changes/Drop i686 JDKs - Fedora Project Wiki

05:18 DaemonFC; User experience on multilib systems will be bad. Bad reasonable.

05:18 matey; couldnt they at least mirror jasmine on their local git? rather than trusting microsoft?

05:18 DaemonFC; Bad good. Like bad.

05:18 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^

05:18 DaemonFC; Like bad on Twitter! GRRRRRRRR!!!!!

05:18 matey; especially given what microsoft has done to raspbian

05:18 phanes; i like the pig logo

05:19 phanes; shit im too tired

05:19 phanes; night yall

05:21 matey; o/

05:23 DaemonFC; https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/EncourageI686LeafRemoval

05:23 TR Bot; Changes/EncourageI686LeafRemoval - Fedora Project Wiki

05:24 DaemonFC; The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. The last remnants of the Republic have been swept away!

05:34 AdmFubar; https://restofworld.org/2022/newsletter-south-asia-india-data-evidence-of-dissent/

05:34 TR Bot; In India, your payment data could become evidence of dissent - Rest of World

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06:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

06:46 TR News; #HowTo Install LibreWolf Browser on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167356

06:46 TR Bot; How to Install LibreWolf Browser on Linux | Tux Machines

06:47 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Sunday, July 17, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

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06:47 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index

06:55 TR News; One forecast tells me tomorrow it'll be 40 degrees here -- an all-time record AFAIK, but 2 other forecasts/sources do not agree

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7 AM, July 18

07:07 TR News; "The US is not ok, and it hasn't been for a long, long time. Given its history, it has never been ok. But this is different. Now it is fracturing, and the seismic disturbances continue a-pace." gemini://the-brannons.com/us-not-ok/

07:08 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D295.jpg

07:08 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D646.jpg

07:08 TR News; Unconditional Basic Income gemini://gemini.hitchhiker-linux.org/gemlog/re:_unconditional_basic_income.gmi

07:09 TR News; Ocarina of Time Feels Like a New Game gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2022-07-17-ocarina-of-time-feels-like-a-new-game.gmi

07:09 TR News; Acceptable gemini://josias.dev/notion/acceptable.gmi

07:10 TR News; Keyboarding Education gemini://midnight.pub/posts/1080

07:11 TR News; "I installed FreshRSS last night (it wasn't entirely straightforward for someone who hasn't dealt with php installs in ages) and I gotta say it already blows Feedly out of the water." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-18-self-hosting-feed-reader.gmi

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07:23 TR News; Apple 5G device sales blocked in Colombia due to patent issue https://itwire.com/mobility/apple-5g-device-sales-blocked-in-colombia-due-to-patent-issue.html

07:23 TR Bot; - Apple 5G device sales blocked in Colombia due to patent issue

07:25 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167357

07:25 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

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07:34 TR News; That Time I Helped a Sad Drunkard gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-07-18-that-time-i-helped-a-sad-drunkard.gmi

07:34 TR News; "I feel too much, sometimes. Right now my wife and I are both away from home, and while I know our cat is well-cared-for, she misses us and she doesn't know why we're gone. I just wish I could explain it to her." gemini://november.smol.pub/empathy

07:35 TR News; "Alexis' ownership of X is based on ongoing mutual informed consent, in the context of Risk-Aware Consensual Kink. Nothing in this Title Deed should be interpreted otherwise." gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2022-07-18.gmi

07:44 TR News; "Josh and Kurt talk about PyPI mandating two factor authentication for the top 1% of projects. It feels like a simple idea, but its not when you start to think about it. What problems does 2FA solve? How common are these attacks?" https://opensourcesecurity.io/2022/07/17/episode-332-pypi-2fa-or-not-2fa-that-is-the-question/

07:44 TR Bot; Episode 332 PyPI: 2FA or not 2FA, that is the question Open Source Security

07:45 TR News; "We try and bust a common Linux distro myth. Then what surprised Chris about his new Steam Deck." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149267/all-hands-on-deck-linux-unplugged-467/

07:45 TR Bot; All Hands on Deck | LINUX Unplugged 467 | Jupiter Broadcasting

07:47 TR News; Linus Torvalds says Linux kernel has addressed Retbleed http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167349#comment-34378

07:47 TR Bot; Linux 5.19-rc7 | Tux Machines

07:49 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: LINUX Unplugged, Open Source Security, and GNU World Order Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167358

07:50 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: LINUX Unplugged, Open Source Security, and GNU World Order | Tux Machines

07:52 TR News; EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167359

07:52 TR Bot; EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7 released | Tux Machines

07:57 TR News; RISC-V based ICE-V Wireless board includes a Lattice ICE40 UltraPlus FPGA https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ Source: LinuxGizmos | Hardware | Devices | GNU | Linux

07:57 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ )

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8 AM, July 18

08:01 DaemonFC; https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/africans-speak-out-against-the-mass-circumcision-campaign-300370353.html

08:01 TR Bot; Africans Speak Out Against the Mass Circumcision Campaign

08:01 DaemonFC; Gate Foundation

08:01 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], ^

08:02 schestowitz[TR2]; sounds like old news

08:05 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe Gates should also promote FGM all across africa

08:05 schestowitz[TR2]; inc. for christian girls

08:06 DaemonFC; :)

08:06 schestowitz[TR2]; something about having complete control over the genitals of young people

08:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Stallman still saying the Fed shouldn't raise rates.

08:06 DaemonFC; The reason inflation is out of control is largely due to the moral hazards of cheap money.

08:06 DaemonFC; They should have raised rates sooner.

08:07 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> something about having complete control over the genitals of young people

08:07 DaemonFC; It's not that there's no value in getting circumcised.

08:08 DaemonFC; It's just such a small risk reduction for HIV that the money would be better spent on something else.

08:09 TR News; IRL: Online Life is Real Life http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167358#comment-34379

08:09 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: LINUX Unplugged, Open Source Security, and GNU World Order | Tux Machines

08:11 DaemonFC; I like how people like my mom use HIV risk reduction to justify it now.

08:11 DaemonFC; When I was born, HIV had been known to medical science for about two years.

08:11 DaemonFC; Nobody had studied ways to reduce risk of getting it.

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08:19 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 17, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/irc-log-170722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/irc-log-170722/

08:19 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Sunday, July 17, 2022 | Techrights

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08:23 TR News; As I See It: Pass The Chips - IT Jungle https://www.itjungle.com/2022/07/18/as-i-see-it-pass-the-chips-2/ Source: itjungle | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.itjungle.com/2022/07/18/as-i-see-it-pass-the-chips-2/

08:23 TR Bot; As I See It: Pass The Chips - IT Jungle

08:24 britney; ok so I got windows 3.11 on the internet via dosbox-x

08:24 britney; https://imgur.com/a/jnzhdMo

08:24 TR Bot; The magic of the Internet

08:24 britney; mIRC 16-bit lol

08:29 TR News; GeckoSpy: Pegasus Spyware Used Against Thailands Pro-Democracy Movement - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/07/geckospy-pegasus-spyware-used-against-thailands-pro-democracy-movement/ Source: citizenlab | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//citizenlab.ca/2022/07/geckospy-pegasus-spyware-used-against-thailands-pro-democracy-movement/

08:29 TR Bot; GeckoSpy: Pegasus Spyware Used Against Thailands Pro-Democracy Movement - The Citizen Lab

08:38 TR News; 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 17th, 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167360

08:38 TR Bot; 9to5Linux Weekly Roundup: July 17th, 2022 | Tux Machines

08:38 schestowitz[TR2]; britney: you use it now?

08:38 schestowitz[TR2]; like, your actual session?

08:38 schestowitz[TR2]; I wonder how windows 3.x deals with ircv3

08:38 britney; lol not here no

08:39 britney; i was bored so i was messing around with dosbox-x

08:39 britney; 16-bit mIRC is connected to Dalnet

08:39 TR News; Garuda 220717 is out https://forum.garudalinux.org/c/announcements/16

08:39 TR Bot; Announcements - Garuda Linux Forum

08:40 TR News; DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications - CNX Software https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/18/debix-model-a-a-raspberry-pi-inspired-nxp-i-mx-8m-plus-sbc-for-ai-applications/ Source: Linux | GNU | Hardware | cnxsoftware

08:40 TR Bot; DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications - CNX Software

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08:44 matey; the situation with ted tso is one of the most idiotic things ive seen in my entire life

08:44 schestowitz[TR2]; from what I saw, I agree

08:44 schestowitz[TR2]; unless there's more

08:44 schestowitz[TR2]; that I did not see

08:44 matey; its as if george w. bush cloned himself, every clone got a sex change, and then they took over free software for open source just like they took over iraq for halliburton

08:45 matey; all of shit was open-source-based. all of it

08:45 matey; and the biggest idiots in free software fucking ate it up

08:45 matey; and this destroyed the movement

08:45 matey; but i know there were other factors

08:46 matey; mjg may understand security

08:46 matey; but assuming his arguments are honest, he does not understand the english language in a typical, basic form

08:46 matey; no reading comprehension whatsoever.

08:46 matey; that goes for everyone on his side of that clusterfuck

08:47 matey; theyre all functionally illiterate.

08:47 matey; if youre going to imagine what people said, stop accusing them of things based on what you think they said

08:48 matey; go write fanfic or something. that in practice does not require literary skills.

08:48 matey; (its not all bad)

08:48 matey; the entire cancel culture brigade is like bad fanfic

08:48 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2020/06/08/twitter-cancel-culture/

08:48 matey; where all the people they disagree with are villains, and all the people who agree know what theyre talking about

08:48 TR Bot; Social Control Media: Where Cancel Culture Thrives | Techrights

08:48 matey; its political mary sue bullshit.

08:48 schestowitz[TR2]; it is based on DELIBERATE misundersatandings

08:49 schestowitz[TR2]; \that's the "added value"

08:49 schestowitz[TR2]; the distortion

08:49 schestowitz[TR2]; disguised as "sorry, did you mean..."

08:49 matey; well, i said " assuming his arguments are honest"

08:49 matey; theres another possibility in that he knows goddamned well what tso meant

08:49 matey; and just decided to give him the julius caesar treatment anyway

08:49 schestowitz[TR2]; tso was targeted

08:50 matey; thats a fair thing to say

08:50 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/9hg9to/sage_sharp_claims_top_linux_kernel_developer_theo/

08:50 TR Bot; Sage Sharp claims top Linux kernel developer Theo Ts'o is a rape apologist, citing GeekFeminismWiki : linux

08:50 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.preining.info/blog/2018/09/sharp-did-it-again/

08:50 TR Bot; Sharp did it again | There and back again

08:50 matey; this is all backstabbing politics about who gets to destroy the linux kernel

08:50 schestowitz[TR2]; https://nitter.it/_sagesharp_/status/1042769399596437504?lang=en-GB

08:50 TR Bot; Sharp (@_sagesharp_): "The new Code of Conduct explicitly says discrimination and harassment on the basis of sex or gender is not allowed. One Linux Foundation Technical Advisory Board member who did not sign off on the patch is Ted Tso, who is a rape apologist: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Rape_apology_on_LCA_mailing_list"|nitter.it

08:50 schestowitz[TR2]; "sign off on the patch is Ted Tso, who is a rape apologis"

08:51 matey; bye, linux

08:51 schestowitz[TR2]; still going at it..

08:51 schestowitz[TR2]; not the first

08:51 schestowitz[TR2]; having a go at tso

08:51 schestowitz[TR2]; like he's some monster

08:51 schestowitz[TR2]; cancel on steroids

08:51 schestowitz[TR2]; literally

08:51 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/1048791-sage-sharp-says-linux-kernel-dev-theo-ts-o-is-rape-apologist-cites-geekfeminismwiki

08:51 TR Bot; Sharp says Linux Kernel Dev Theo Ts'o is Rape Apologist, cites GeekFeminismWiki - Phoronix Forums

08:52 matey; geekfeminism is pure stalinist anyway

08:52 schestowitz[TR2]; https://lwn.net/Articles/766361/

08:52 TR Bot; Years of Abusive E-mails, the Creator of Linux Steps Aside (The New Yorker) [LWN.net]

08:52 matey; kill anyone who looks at you funnyism

08:52 matey; and call it progress

08:53 schestowitz[TR2]; there is a worse thrwad

08:53 matey; where paranoia is truth and kissing the ring wont spare your crucifixion

08:53 schestowitz[TR2]; I cannot find it

08:53 schestowitz[TR2]; a long long rant defaming tso

08:53 schestowitz[TR2]; it's somewhere

08:53 schestowitz[TR2]; but social control media sucks at discoverability

08:53 matey; and theyll say unirontically "freedom from speech doesnt mean freedom from cosequences"

08:53 matey; well thats an interesting way to frame censorship as not censorship...

08:54 matey; but silencing people based on kangaroo court tactics IS CENSORSHIP, NOT free speech

08:54 schestowitz[TR2]; "Sage Sharp has already used the CoC to falsely accuse Ted T'so of violating it (over comments he made years ago). It took only 4 days.

08:54 schestowitz[TR2]; "

08:54 schestowitz[TR2]; https://lwn.net/Articles/766347/

08:54 TR Bot; Years of Abusive E-mails, the Creator of Linux Steps Aside (The New Yorker) [LWN.net]

08:54 matey; linux is a hopeless clusterfuck

08:54 matey; and so are its developers

08:54 matey; if openbsd devs are masturbating monkeys

08:54 matey; here is the proof that linux devs throw their own shit (and eat it too)

08:54 schestowitz[TR2]; "She pointed out that he was the only one to vote against the CoC's adoption and he also (AFAIR) downplayed sexual assault in an argument a couple years ago.

08:54 schestowitz[TR2]; Now where do you find an accusation, let alone a false one? And what are the consequences? Because if there are no consequences, then I don't see what bad supposedly happened."

08:55 schestowitz[TR2]; "The CoC commit was signed off by six of the ten current TAB members, plus Linus Torvalds himself. Ted Ts'o was not among the signatories but from that we can't conclude that he voted against its adoption. Given the short timeframe involved, perhaps he was simply not available to sign it. (Incidentally, the other three non-signers are H. Peter Anvin, Tim Bird, and Rik Van Riel.)

08:55 schestowitz[TR2]; "

08:55 schestowitz[TR2]; "A few years ago, Ted Ts'o commented critically on some of the statistics put forward in a discussion on rape. Whether that is rape apology or a valid fact-based contribution to the discussion is a matter of opinion, but to some people at the time it was quite an outrage.

08:55 schestowitz[TR2]; Anyway, Sage Sharp did not actually make a CoC complaint. What they did was wonder aloud (on Twitter) whether the Linux Foundation TAB was qualified to handle CoC complaints if it contained the well-known rape apologist, Ted Ts'o. Sage Sharp also pointed out some procedural issues that the TAB might address to be better prepared to handle CoC complaints as they come in, but these don't look like show-stoppers to me. As far a

08:55 schestowitz[TR2]; s Ted Ts'o's presence on the TAB is concerned, if the kernel community considers that a problem they can decline to reelect him when his seat is up. Finally, Sage Sharp, AFAIK, is not currently working on the Linux kernel, so whether they have standing to make actual CoC complaints is anybody's guess.

08:55 schestowitz[TR2]; "

08:55 matey; this is how they destroyed linux

08:55 matey; hey mjg-- good job

08:55 schestowitz[TR2]; "Under this new CoC, accusing Tso of rape appologism (a clear ad-hominem attac) would put Sharp in a bad position. Oh, the irony. And of course, it shows that problems can be dealt with without a CoC. Unless your problem is eroding Linux leadership, that is.

08:55 schestowitz[TR2]; "

08:55 matey; first linux-- then stallman

08:56 schestowitz[TR2]; "Indeed, I forgot to add that Sage Sharp's attacking Ted Ts'o over something that (a) happened long ago and (b) is by no means as obviously vile as they make it out to be could be considered a form of harassment under the new CoC and therefore actionable if Sage Sharp were a member of the kernel development community and Ted Ts'o were to make a complaint.

08:56 schestowitz[TR2]; "

08:56 matey; if Sage Sharp were a member of the kernel development community <- if shes not, what the hell is she

08:56 schestowitz[TR2]; "Sage Sharp has already used the CoC to falsely accuse Ted T'so of violating it (over comments he made years ago). It took only 4 days.

08:56 schestowitz[TR2]; "

08:57 matey; go ahead and repeat it

08:57 matey; its worth repeating

08:57 schestowitz[TR2]; "Sharp's histrionics are a transparent, deliberately timed, politically motivated act that the CoC not only does not protect, but rather forbids.

08:57 schestowitz[TR2]; Not that it matters either way, because as they're rather vocal about their desire to remain a non-contributor, they aren't subject to the protections in the document in the first place.

08:57 schestowitz[TR2]; "

08:58 matey; they're rather vocal <- looks up if shes she or they

08:58 schestowitz[TR2]; SFC hired Sharp

08:58 schestowitz[TR2]; around the time it also took money from Microsdoft

08:58 schestowitz[TR2]; SFC might be beyond redemption

08:58 matey; Sharp is non-binary and uses the pronouns "they" and "them". [16] Contents <- wikipedia

08:58 matey; so i guess its they

08:58 schestowitz[TR2]; but at least it called out Microsoft on some things lately

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08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: I don't care about that

08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a distraction

08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; it is a person, and a toxic person

08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; who "cancels" decent people

08:59 matey; SFC hired Sharp <- sfc is pure concentrated evil coming out of your anus (comedy reference)

08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; for political reaons

08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; and those perople are toxic to communities

08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; doing the same to Torvalds

08:59 matey; toxic to corporations

08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; accusing him of sexism by innuendo

08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; communities do need to tackle toxic people

08:59 schestowitz[TR2]; but the toxic people like to accuse othrs of toxicity

08:59 matey; within reason

9 AM, July 18

09:00 schestowitz[TR2]; and wear mislewading labels

09:00 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a method

09:00 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/sexism-misrepresentation/

09:00 TR Bot; They Tell Us Linus Torvalds is Sexist But Evidence Suggests Otherwise | Techrights

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09:00 schestowitz[TR2]; you know Sharp works in tandem with MJG

09:00 schestowitz[TR2]; for ages

09:00 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> but the toxic people like to accuse othrs of toxicity

09:01 matey; RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; over 7 years already

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; they pick targets

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; and try to destroy their reputation, maybe carer toio

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; neigther still write ANY code for Linux

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; tyhey basically got shown the door

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; implicitly

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; politely

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; and LF did not learn

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; LF totally embraces this agenda

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; because of the LF's true masters

09:01 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/trolling-the-real-community/

09:01 TR Bot; The Biggest Troll is the Linux Foundation, Still Looking to Provoke and Defame Free Software Communities in Order to Help a Monopolistic Takeover and to Shoehorn Tyrants Into Leadership Positions | Techrights

09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; the one thing lacking above

09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; asaide from some comments

09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; there ar emany mor scattered all oveer

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09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; is other examples of twitter/nitter weaponised to attack tso

09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; on unfair basis

09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; on unfair grounds

09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; like a decade late

09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; as an act of revenge

09:02 schestowitz[TR2]; and it's about tearing down the kernel community

09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; by also forbidding political speech

09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; I don't want to spend any further effort giving more links on this

09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; I think the comments quoted abiove from LWN are decent enough

09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; also, the debian dev, prenning, who spoke out in defence of tso, was demoted

09:03 schestowitz[TR2]; and put under disciplinary poroceedings

09:04 schestowitz[TR2]; for calling out trolls and saboteuer

09:04 schestowitz[TR2]; and that shows that the same trolling has already to debian already... HAD spead

09:04 schestowitz[TR2]; by 2018

09:04 schestowitz[TR2]; it was areound the time dthey did it to pocock too

09:04 schestowitz[TR2]; he wroite about politics in his blog

09:04 matey; LF totally embraces this agenda <- of course

09:04 matey; they work for microsoft

09:04 schestowitz[TR2]; and occasionally bemoaned companies like gulag intefering

09:05 schestowitz[TR2]; after he had tutored for them

09:05 schestowitz[TR2]; free of charge

09:05 schestowitz[TR2]; gulag employees went after him too

09:05 matey; and it's about tearing down the kernel community by also forbidding political speec <- linus fault

09:05 schestowitz[TR2]; linus was already n ot in charge

09:05 matey; this was a sealed fate when open source tried to remove politics from free software.

09:05 matey; seriously.

09:05 matey; they didnt REMOVE politics, they SUPPRESSED it

09:06 matey; it came back with a vengeance

09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; y poltiics you mean corporations over democracy

09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; you cannot criticise corporations

09:06 matey; this is karma for open source

09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; that run your government

09:06 matey; but free software didnt deserve it

09:06 matey; this is karma for linux

09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; that are also bailed out or subsidised by taxpayers

09:06 matey; but not for gnu per se

09:06 schestowitz[TR2]; agaginst the taxpayers' will

09:06 matey; linux deserves this. open source deserves this.

09:06 matey; they BEGGED for this.

09:06 matey; they got it

09:07 matey; but open source took down free software, and that was its real job

09:07 schestowitz[TR2]; biab, work

09:07 matey; esr made the perfect weapon to attack free software with

09:07 matey; good for fuck-all else.

09:07 matey; hes an idiot, he thought it would be like free software only better

09:07 matey; he might as well have worked for microsoft. but he didnt. hes just an idiot.

09:08 schestowitz[TR2]; con kolivas left linux due to bloat

09:08 matey; ha

09:08 schestowitz[TR2]; he could barely contribute anywmore

09:08 matey; if the shoe... cant fit

09:08 schestowitz[TR2]; it moveds too fast, break stuff, too complex

09:08 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> he could barely contribute anywmore <- bloat kills software freedom

09:08 schestowitz[TR2]; that's an issue separate from CoC

09:08 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> it moveds too fast, break stuff, too complex <0- this is what ive been saying

09:09 matey; that's an issue separate from CoC <- yes and thats why i said

09:09 schestowitz[TR2]; but it all started with you studying the tso situation

09:09 schestowitz[TR2]; imagine if in the future I went to work on linus

09:09 schestowitz[TR2]; I akm a c developer

09:09 schestowitz[TR2]; *on linux

09:09 schestowitz[TR2]; some people in the troll crowd would likely target mne

09:10 schestowitz[TR2]; saying I "offended" them and thus I''m not permitted to contribute patches

09:10 matey; shit, i didnt say it

09:10 matey; i was going to say "i know there are other factors" (ive named bloat specifically)

09:10 TR News; Review: EasyOS 4.2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167361

09:10 TR Bot; Review: EasyOS 4.2 | Tux Machines

09:10 matey; but instead i congratulated mjg on killing both linux and [the fsf]

09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; he did not

09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; they arer still around

09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; linux came back

09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; from forced "therapy"

09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; very stalinist

09:11 matey; linux came bac <- oh its not bloated?

09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg has himself admitted that he hiselff admitted himself to therapy

09:11 matey; tso is still going to take over?

09:11 matey; he killed linux

09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; rms is alsom still around

09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; but a bit publicity-shy

09:11 schestowitz[TR2]; because of the ableists

09:12 matey; mjg has himself admitted that he hiselff admitted himself to therapy <- that doesnt mean anything. he just shot the hostage (himself) to shift the topic

09:12 matey; but a bit publicity-shy <- you dont get it, and you never will

09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; anyway, linus and gnu are around

09:12 matey; nope

09:12 matey; dead

09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; fsf still present, not in crisis management mode like last year

09:12 schestowitz[TR2]; when many were leaving

09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; and torvalds and rms (I said linux instead of linus... QWERTTY's fAULT)

09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; ARE AROUND

09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; oops, caps

09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; but not in control like before

09:13 matey; https://techrights.org/2020/11/17/real-rms/

09:13 TR Bot; The Real Richard Stallman is Not Coming Back | Techrights

09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; so the attacks were only partially successful

09:13 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> ARE AROUND <- yeah in a glass tomb

09:13 *schestowitz[TR2] back in a bit

09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; we'll have two git servers soon

09:13 schestowitz[TR2]; one for tuxmachines

09:13 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> so the attacks were only partially successful <- you always backpedal

09:14 matey; its a dumb way to guarantee youll be able to write more about it

09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; no

09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; it's consistent

09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; the attacks failed

09:14 matey; yes, consistently wrong

09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; they wanted rms removed

09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; he's not remooved

09:14 matey; hes not rms

09:14 schestowitz[TR2]; only /in absentia/

09:14 matey; yeah, exiled-- in place

09:15 schestowitz[TR2]; sharp and mjg never have anything to say about gates and epstein

09:15 schestowitz[TR2]; funny that

09:15 schestowitz[TR2]; such "social justice" brigadiers

09:15 schestowitz[TR2]; they don';t target the rich

09:16 matey; i can refute that, but it doesnt change the fact that stallman is held to a higher standard

09:16 matey; because these things are built with hypocrisy and double standards as the foundation

09:16 matey; its not racism when against whites. its not sexism when its against men

09:17 matey; and theres no such thing as heterophobia

09:17 matey; even though meredith wrote about it

09:17 matey; and theres a pretty decent book with that title

09:17 matey; granted, heterophobia isnt typically as violent or widespread as homophobia

09:17 matey; but only the fake left wants to make people equal by oppressing everyone equally

09:18 matey; thats stalinism too

09:18 TR News; [Old] "We are making progress" https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5055 | Source: Devuan

09:18 TR Bot; We are making progress / Devuan Derivatives / Dev1 Galaxy Forum

09:18 matey; and then the right comes and equates stalinism and the fake left with the mainstream

09:18 matey; which is only partly true (and also partly bullshit)

09:18 matey; and then they lose credibility (which they dont deserve for other reasons)

09:18 TR News; DOJ about to throw the book at Google on ad monopoly: ITS ABOUT TIME! https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/doj-about-to-throw-the-book-at-google-on:7 Source: rossmanngroup | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/doj-about-to-throw-the-book-at-google-on:7

09:18 TR Bot; DOJ about to throw the book at Google on ad monopoly: IT'S ABOUT TIME!

09:19 TR News; FOSS Code Licencing: Why Do We Even Bother? https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/foss-code-licencing-why-do-we-even:e Source: BrodieRobertson | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/foss-code-licencing-why-do-we-even:e

09:19 TR Bot; FOSS Code Licencing: Why Do We Even Bother?

09:19 matey; and everyone forgets that stalinists are (by nature) fucking hypocrites and doublestandardmongers

09:19 matey; even though its practically synonymous

09:19 matey; you know the ITS MAAM woman?

09:19 matey; tiffany michelle

09:19 TR News; "As more developers work to optimize their games for the Steam Deck" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/steam-deck-hits-over-4000-titles-marked-either-verified-or-playable/ | Source: GamingOnLinux

09:19 TR Bot; Deck hits over 4,000 titles marked either Verified or Playable | GamingOnLinux

09:19 matey; self-proclaimed stalinist

09:19 *chomwitt (~chomwitt@95ruh3zdy2z5q.irc) has joined #techrights

09:20 matey; mentioned mostly because i found this out the other day

09:20 matey; and she has a rap video

09:20 matey; two i think

09:20 TR News; "game developer Bungie has now sued a US-based gamer" https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-sues-twitch-streaming-destiny-cheater-miffysworld-for-being-awful-220718/ | Source: Torrent Freak

09:20 TR Bot; Sues Twitch-Streaming Destiny Cheater 'MiffysWorld' For Being Awful * TorrentFreak

09:20 TR News; "the effects of copyright infringement" https://torrentfreak.com/research-suggests-that-software-piracy-lowers-poverty-220717/ | Source: Torrent Freak

09:20 TR Bot; Suggests That Software Piracy Lowers Poverty * TorrentFreak

09:20 matey; with a lambo.

09:21 matey; if you see how stalin lived, this is hilarious.

09:21 TR News; "The ICE-V Wireless from QWERTY Embedded Design is a tiny board that combines a Lattice iCE40" https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ | Source: Linux Gizmos

09:21 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/risc-v-based-ice-v-wireless-board-includes-a-lattice-ice40-ultraplus-fpga/ )

09:21 matey; i suppose there are legitimately marxist points you COULD make with a lambo

09:21 matey; very few, but nonetheless

09:21 TR News; "In post, we will cover how to install minikube on Fedora 36 step by step." https://www.linuxbuzz.com/how-to-install-minikube-on-fedora/ | Source: Linux Buzz

09:21 TR Bot; How to Install Minikube on Fedora 36 Step by Step

09:22 matey; mostly its funny, because stalin (who is supposedly leninist) LOVED his swanky hotel suites and giant baths and (most likely) fancy cars

09:22 matey; lenin scoffed at such things

09:22 matey; trotsky also scoffed

09:23 TR News; "Wine is an open-source and free application for Linux that enables users to run any windows based software" https://www.tecmint.com/install-wine-in-rhel-centos-and-fedora/ | Source: TecMint

09:23 TR Bot; How to Install Wine on RHEL-based Linux Distributions

09:23 matey; stalin didnt like trotskys critiques, so he had him stabbed to death with an ice pick

09:23 TR News; DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167362

09:23 TR Bot; DEBIX Model A - A Raspberry Pi-inspired NXP i.MX 8M Plus SBC for AI applications | Tux Machines

09:24 TR News; "Every ISO file has .iso an extension has a defined format name taken from the ISO 9660 file system" https://www.tecmint.com/how-to-mount-and-unmount-an-iso-image-in-linux/ | Source: TecMint

09:24 TR Bot; How to Mount and Unmount an ISO Image in Linux

09:24 matey; my guess is that under stalin, poison and tea were just too dear

09:24 matey; so they had to make do

09:24 TR News; "There is another open source software available called PlayOnLinux that uses Wine" https://www.tecmint.com/playonlinux-install-windows-software-in-linux/ | Source: TecMint

09:24 TR Bot; PlayOnLinux Run Windows Software and Games in Linux

09:25 matey; (thats not entirely true-- even under stalin, there were some advances in comfort-- punctuated by mass famines and resulting deaths)

09:25 matey; that is, assuming you werent sent to the gulag over a misunderstanding

09:25 matey; but trotsky came back!

09:25 matey; the real one at that

09:26 matey; not silenced

09:26 matey; and so, ice pick.

09:26 matey; the gulag failed. FAILED!

09:26 matey; the ice pick worked

09:27 matey; many attempts were made to silence stallman

09:27 matey; its fucking irrelevant "where" he is

09:27 matey; what matters is WHAT he is

09:27 TR News; "The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) provides a centralized and automated method for configuring the network attributes of hosts when they connect to the network." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/configure-dhcp-server | Source: OpenSource.com

09:27 TR Bot; I configure a DHCP server on my personal network | Opensource.com

09:27 TR News; "This article demonstrates creating a base API with Express and JavaScript." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/javascript-api-express | Source: OpenSource.com

09:27 TR Bot; a JavaScript API in 6 minutes | Opensource.com

09:27 matey; and hes never going to be that again. we should of course protect an important legacy

09:27 TR News; "Netfilter tables (nftables) is the default firewall shipped with modern Linux distros." https://opensource.com/article/22/7/nftwatch-linux-firewall | Source: OpenSource.com

09:27 TR Bot; your Linux firewall with nftwatch | Opensource.com

09:27 matey; but hes actually finished this time

09:27 matey; pretending hes not wont make it so

09:28 matey; its important, because a lot of idiots are waiting for him to come fix things

09:28 matey; why not just wait for jesus? hes just as likely to return

09:28 matey; waiting for jesus is fine, unless its an excuse to leave shit like it is-- thats stupid

09:29 matey; waiting for stallman is just as dumb (well, okay, one literally died, so maybe theyre not 1:1 identical)

09:29 matey; doesnt help the odds

09:29 matey; stallman hasnt fixed any of this stuff in years

09:29 matey; he did try

09:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

09:30 matey; the traitors in the gnu project gave ZERO shits

09:30 matey; rms doesnt even run gnu anymore

09:30 matey; the coup does

09:30 matey; but you wont figure that out

09:30 matey; a few years from now youll still be scratching your head about it, and pretending to know

09:30 matey; the coup won (for now)

09:31 matey; its necessary to understand strategic losses in order to fix (and learn from) them

09:31 matey; its a shot in our own foot to deny this shit

09:32 matey; just as its self-destructive to equate calling the iraq invasian illegal with not supporting the troops

09:32 matey; if the troops need bullshit and lies to feel supported, thats not everyone elses problem

09:32 matey; not their responsibility

09:32 matey; of course the argument itself is ridiculous

09:33 matey; https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/33505-why-of-course-the-people-don-t-want-war-why-should

09:33 TR Bot; Quote by Hermann Goering: Why of course the people don't want war. Why sh...

09:35 matey; aturally, the common people dont want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship

09:35 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Notes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167363

09:35 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Apple Notes | Tux Machines

09:35 matey; Voice or no voice, [xrevan86] the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

09:36 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167364

09:36 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

09:36 matey; hermann goering ^

09:36 matey; nasty piece of work. but this much is true

09:36 matey; first found that quote around 2003

09:37 matey; it was taped to a uni professors door

09:37 TR News; Geniatech XPI-3566 is a business-card sized Rockchip R3566 SBC https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/18/geniatech-xpi-3566-is-a-business-card-sized-rockchip-r3566-sbc/

09:37 TR Bot; Geniatech XPI-3566 is a business-card sized Rockchip R3566 SBC - CNX Software

09:37 matey; large font

09:37 matey; in 2003 people had one choice: war, or war

09:38 matey; gene simmons agreed

09:38 schestowitz[TR2]; lol

09:38 schestowitz[TR2]; you have a thing for gene

09:38 matey; i like long tongues

09:38 matey; but actually

09:38 schestowitz[TR2]; richard simmons

09:39 schestowitz[TR2]; josh simmons

09:39 schestowitz[TR2]; simmons and simmons

09:39 schestowitz[TR2]; the UPC mafia

09:39 matey; richard simmons i like

09:39 schestowitz[TR2]; he was with ricky lakje a lot

09:39 matey; but liking richard simmons more than josh simmons is homophobic

09:39 matey; because the former is as gay as the hills, but closeted

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; richard simmons woluld be useful when cancel mobs go after you

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; and he would fire back at them

09:40 matey; and the other i didnt even know, but hes apparently out

09:40 matey; so theres a nuance

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; yeah

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; nuance

09:40 matey; actually at this point hes basically a recluse

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; but he's not fully out

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; just a bit

09:40 matey; hes old and depressed

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; he's not in the board iirc

09:40 matey; but i think hes a good person

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; but still associated

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; they need a name-caller

09:40 schestowitz[TR2]; accusing people of flase things

09:40 matey; he just doesnt want to be old

09:41 schestowitz[TR2]; richard?

09:41 schestowitz[TR2]; dick cimmons

09:41 schestowitz[TR2]; what a dick

09:41 matey; simmons, yes

09:41 schestowitz[TR2]; reminds me of larry from 3 stooges

09:42 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg is curly obviously

09:42 matey; reminds me of larry darryl and darryl from newhart

09:42 TR News; #HowTo Install ZSH Shell along with OhMyZsh and Powerlevel10k on Ubuntu 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167365

09:42 TR Bot; How to Install ZSH Shell along with OhMyZsh and Powerlevel10k on Ubuntu 22.04 | Tux Machines

09:42 schestowitz[TR2]; speaking of larry

09:42 schestowitz[TR2]; twitter's bird is named after larry bird

09:42 matey; mjg is the spiritual leader of the new fsf

09:43 matey; a person who is open source to the very core, who swears its about "free software

09:43 schestowitz[TR2]; leisure suit larry = mjg at a foss conference

09:44 matey; free software initiative

09:44 matey; formerly libre, openly sleazy software

09:45 matey; fuck linux, opins sage sharp

09:47 matey; favour linus over stallman supporters

09:48 schestowitz[TR2]; fans?

09:49 matey; eh?

09:49 schestowitz[TR2]; https://wearefaith.org/blog/the-second-commandment-worship-god-rightly/

09:49 TR Bot; 2nd Commandment Worship God Rightly Faith Church

09:49 matey; lolwut

09:50 matey; call him mellow yellow?

09:50 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167366

09:50 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

09:51 matey; You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me <- he was walking like an egyptian that day

09:51 matey; never hang around god when hes in an egyptian mood

09:51 matey; it rarely ends well

09:54 matey; visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me <- dont fuck with god, he will eat your children

09:54 TR News; Steam Deck hits over 4,000 titles marked either Verified or Playable Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167367

09:54 TR Bot; Steam Deck hits over 4,000 titles marked either Verified or Playable | Tux Machines

09:54 TR News; RISC-V based ICE-V Wireless board includes a Lattice ICE40 UltraPlus FPGA Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167368

09:54 TR Bot; RISC-V based ICE-V Wireless board includes a Lattice ICE40 UltraPlus FPGA | Tux Machines

09:55 matey; from the mouths of bab-ylonians

09:58 TR News; Links 18/07/2022: EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7, EasyOS 4.2 Reviewed, Steam Deck at 4,000 Games | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/steam-deck-at-4000-games/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/steam-deck-at-4000-games/

09:58 TR Bot; Links 18/07/2022: EasyOS Dunfell-series 4.2.7, EasyOS 4.2 Reviewed, Steam Deck at 4,000 Games | Techrights

09:59 TR News; "The sewing machine is a tool that many of us will have somewhere around our workshop." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/a-home-made-sewing-machine-may-be-the-only-one/ | Source: Hackaday

09:59 TR Bot; Home Made Sewing Machine May Be The Only One | Hackaday

09:59 TR News; "As ferrite technology has progressed into a mastery of magnetic permeability" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/beautiful-inductors-now-not-such-a-lost-art/ | Source: Hackaday

09:59 TR Bot; Inductors, Now Not Such A Lost Art | Hackaday

09:59 matey; images misrepresent God, a God who reminds His people that we do not see Him in a form (Deuteronomy 4:15-19).

09:59 TR News; Orban https://telex.hu/english/2022/07/18/western-allies-puzzled-by-hungary-mild-reaction-to-russias-hacking | Source: Telex (Hungary)

09:59 TR Bot; Telex: Western allies puzzled by Hungary' mild reaction to Russia's hacking

09:59 matey; you know, except when he shows up as stuff

09:59 matey; like a burning bush

10 AM, July 18

10:00 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: joiins us know and hack the softwaree

10:00 schestowitz[TR2]; join, *now

10:00 matey; join us now and cancel our leader

10:01 schestowitz[TR2]; lieber

10:01 matey; read my liebs

10:01 matey; no gnu taxes

10:04 matey; the fsf-destroying/linux-destroying foundation

10:04 matey; the fsf-destroying+linux-destroying foundation

10:05 matey; /me think the + in gnu+linux was premature optimisation

10:05 matey; maybe if he had waited 100 years, it wouldnt be premature

10:06 TR News; The Corporatization of Just About Everything Including the Climate Crisis and Outer Space https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/17/the-corporatization-of-just-about-everything-including-the-climate-crisis-and-outer-space/ | Source: Scheerpost

10:06 TR Bot; Corporatization of Just About Everything Including the Climate Crisis and Outer Space scheerpost.com

10:06 matey; besides, isnt it actually (gnu linux)

10:07 TR News; "The differences between a drone and an underwater remote-operated vehicle (ROV) arent actually that large." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/it-turns-out-you-cant-just-fly-a-drone-under-water/ | Source: Hackaday

10:07 TR Bot; Turns Out You Cant Just Fly A Drone Under Water | Hackaday

10:07 mjg59_; 09:11 < schestowitz[TR2]> mjg has himself admitted that he hiselff admitted himself to therapy

10:07 mjg59_; schestowitz[TR2]: Uh I'm not sure you understand how therapy works

10:07 TR News; "background-oriented schlieren" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/observe-airflow-using-smartphone-and-background-oriented-schlieren/ | Source: Hackaday

10:07 TR Bot; Airflow Using Smartphone And Background-Oriented Schlieren | Hackaday

10:07 matey; its a relatively young science

10:07 mjg59_; Do you admit yourself to dentistry?

10:08 matey; fools can go to the dentist, but theyll never admit it

10:08 mjg59_; It's not an in-patient situation

10:08 TR News; The missiles and weapons giant Boeing, which many wrongly view as air travel company https://truthout.org/articles/lets-replicate-chicagos-antiwar-organizing-victory-against-boeing/ | Source: TruthOut

10:08 TR Bot; Let's Replicate Chicago's Antiwar Organizing Victory Against Boeing

10:08 mjg59_; There is no "admission"

10:09 mjg59_; I make an appointment with my therapist, we chat for an hour, I repeat as necessary

10:09 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: I know that quote :-)

10:09 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_: good luck with that

10:09 schestowitz[TR2]; Torvalds did not ask for it

10:09 schestowitz[TR2]; he was "prescribed" by bullies

10:09 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> matey: I know that quote :-) <- yes, but youll never admit it

10:10 mjg59_; You can't force people into therapy, it simply doesn't work

10:10 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a quote worth internalising

10:10 schestowitz[TR2]; becaus eit's very tru

10:10 schestowitz[TR2]; some whistleblowers I speak to feel like they have no impact

10:10 schestowitz[TR2]; because those whom they hurt pretend not to care

10:10 matey; You can't force people into therapy, it simply doesn't work <- there are various ways to force them that do effectively force them though

10:10 schestowitz[TR2]; it's for guilt

10:10 schestowitz[TR2]; and public humiliation

10:10 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> some whistleblowers I speak to feel like they have no impact <- explain f=ma

10:11 matey; maybe instead of a whistle they should use a hammer

10:11 schestowitz[TR2]; force=mass what?

10:11 mjg59_; How does humiliation come into this?

10:11 schestowitz[TR2]; it's what cancel culture does

10:11 matey; im not suggesting they blow it (unless its a pneumatic hammer i guess)

10:11 schestowitz[TR2]; f =m x a?

10:11 mjg59_; Is seeing a therapist supposed to be humiliating?

10:11 matey; public shaming, humiliation, ok

10:11 schestowitz[TR2]; c =s eped of light

10:12 matey; the amish do shunning

10:12 schestowitz[TR2]; c^2

10:12 schestowitz[TR2]; see schcwern

10:12 matey; its not that muslim women want freedom from hijabs, they just want to remove hijabs without consequences

10:12 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_: if it is UNNECESSARY, yes

10:13 mjg59_; Linus didn't seem to think it was unnecessary?

10:13 matey; https://saudiarabiaevisa.org/saudi-arabia-laws-for-women-while-visiting/

10:13 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://saudiarabiaevisa.org/saudi-arabia-laws-for-women-while-visiting/ )

10:14 matey; women dont want freedom in saudi arabia, they just want to act without consequences

10:14 TR News; James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/peer-into-space-through-this-james-webb-style-hexagonal-mirror/ | Source: Hackaday

10:14 TR Bot; Into Space Through This James Webb-Style Hexagonal Mirror | Hackaday

10:14 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/17/plotting-war-iran | Source: Common Dreams

10:14 TR Bot; Opinion | Plotting War on Iran | Chris Hedges

10:14 matey; (this is my favourite cancel culture quote. i like to pair it with the simpsons angry mob meme)

10:15 schestowitz[TR2]; wait, wrong link

10:15 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/17/remember-abu-ghraib-mbs-tells-biden-when-pressed-khashoggi-repor

10:15 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/17/remember-abu-ghraib-mbs-tells-biden-when-pressed-khashoggi-repor )

10:15 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/17/remember-abu-ghraib-mbs-tells-biden-when-pressed-khashoggi-report

10:15 TR Bot; 'Remember Abu Ghraib,' MBS Tells Biden When Pressed on Khashoggi: Report

10:15 schestowitz[TR2]; cancel tso

10:15 schestowitz[TR2]; he spoke about iraq

10:15 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_: no, and it was not

10:15 schestowitz[TR2]; confession under blackmail is BS

10:16 schestowitz[TR2]; like admissionf og uilt under torture

10:16 matey; only rape apologists criticise the iraq war

10:16 matey; -- gene simmons

10:16 mjg59_; I mean I literally spoke to him about this?

10:16 mjg59_; In person?

10:16 schestowitz[TR2]; Abu Ghraib = rape

10:16 schestowitz[TR2]; bush = rapist

10:16 mjg59_; And you haven't?

10:16 schestowitz[TR2]; after you balackmailed him

10:16 schestowitz[TR2]; in 2015

10:16 schestowitz[TR2]; in 2018

10:16 schestowitz[TR2]; you had several goes at it

10:16 matey; war includes rape very often

10:16 matey; so gene simmons is also a rape apologist

10:17 schestowitz[TR2]; iirc, many sexual abuse there

10:17 schestowitz[TR2]; but not enough for arrest

10:17 schestowitz[TR2]; like assau;t/rape

10:17 mjg59_; If I blackmailed him, why did he want to talk to me about it afterwards?

10:17 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: suicide apologist

10:17 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: llol!!!

10:17 schestowitz[TR2]; ^^ "If I blackmailed him, why did he want to talk to me about it afterwards?"

10:17 schestowitz[TR2]; I don't think you know how blackmail works

10:18 schestowitz[TR2]; the whole idea is that you do something under covert pressure

10:18 matey; I don't think you know how blackmail works <- people who are blackmailed do things of their own agency

10:18 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe in pillow talk with his wife linus tells the wife what he really thinks of you

10:18 schestowitz[TR2]; but cannot say it in kernel mailing lists

10:18 mjg59_; Oh, I don't think Linus /likes/ me

10:18 schestowitz[TR2]; or to your face

10:19 matey; for example, people who are tortured by the government often do things of their own central intelligence agency

10:19 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_: linus would tell you to go suck on a Popsicle if he could do so without consequences from james and sheela Microsoft

10:19 mjg59_; But he had an unprompted conversation with me about how it was the people defending him who convinced him he needed to do something

10:20 matey; on one side: people who agree with mjg

10:20 matey; on the other side: nazis and abortion clinic bombers

10:20 schestowitz[TR2]; bbl

10:20 matey; tthe choice is obvious

10:20 matey; read the room

10:20 TR News; "[Maurizio] built a robot arm, which is always a great accomplishment." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/17/robot-arm-has-the-touch/ | Source: Hackaday

10:20 TR Bot; Arm Has The Touch | Hackaday

10:21 TR News; The cause and effect here may have been reversed https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/18/lgbt-adults-are-more-likely-to-experience-mental-health-hardships-but-less-likely-to-get-needed-help/ | Source: Counter Punch

10:21 matey; if thats linuses take on right vs wrong, they should probably revoke kernel access (for incompetence)

10:21 TR Bot; Adults Are More Likely to Experience Mental Health Hardships, But Less Likely to Get Needed Help - CounterPunch.org

10:22 TR News; Labour causes https://truthout.org/articles/nlrb-is-understaffed-and-underfunded-at-critical-moment-for-labor-movement/ | Source: TruthOut

10:22 TR Bot; NLRB Is Understaffed and Underfunded at Critical Moment for Labor Movement

10:22 matey; then again hes about as much as charge as that poor fellow hanging from a clock in metropolis

10:23 TR News; Patents as a corruption ploy: "But if I gave your neighbor Bob a million dollars of YOUR money to invent that mousetrap" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/18/public-university-patents-are-a-racket/ | Source: Counter Punch

10:23 TR Bot; University Patents are a Racket - CounterPunch.org

10:24 matey; <cleese> "NOW LOOK! JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS 'RAPE STATISTICS'" *everyone stones cleese*

10:24 matey; "I MEANT JEHOVAH!"

10:24 TR News; With COVID-19, universities where used to feed a patent rackets. Famous Criminal Bill Gates (and Epstein enabler) made a fortune through Oxford university, at OUR expense! Twitter suspended me just to point this fact out.

10:25 matey; code of conduct: because sharia law isnt quite inclusive enough

10:25 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA

10:25 TR Bot; https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA

10:25 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://inv.bp.mutahar.rocks/watch?v=ULfqhCNHQPA )

10:25 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA95FKbs_Jg

10:25 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=jA95FKbs_Jg

10:25 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | John Cleese Walks Out on BBC News Interview - Invidious

10:25 schestowitz[TR2]; this second one is epic

10:26 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ7PPUTT3KY

10:26 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=tJ7PPUTT3KY

10:26 TR Bot; yewtu.be | John Cleese Absolutely OBLITERATES 'Woke' Interviewer on Her 'Cancel Culture Agenda' - Invidious

10:26 schestowitz[TR2]; he can smell a troll

10:26 schestowitz[TR2]; from a distance

10:26 schestowitz[TR2]; he's/ very tolerant

10:26 schestowitz[TR2]; but now they go after any comedy skit

10:26 schestowitz[TR2]; but choosing not to understand it

10:26 schestowitz[TR2]; and then claiming people will die

10:27 schestowitz[TR2]; from the misunderstanding

10:27 TR News; "Much of campus activity these days focuses on diversity, tuition, student loans" https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/07/18/students-campuses-and-dominant-corporate-power/ | Source: Counter Punch

10:27 TR Bot; Campuses and Dominant Corporate Power - CounterPunch.org

10:28 TR News; FBI manufactturing "threats"... "Romeo Langhorne is the latest victim of an FBI phony terror entrapment scheme." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/17/fbi-still-targeting-black-people-entrapment | Source: Common Dreams

10:28 TR Bot; Opinion | The FBI Is Still Targeting Black People for Entrapment | Margaret Kimberley

10:28 matey; give them long enough, and the stalinists render satire obsolete

10:29 matey; theres not much you can joke about them doing that they wont actually do

10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; that happened with putin

10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; not stalin

10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; he goes after comedy too

10:29 matey; stalin went after everyone

10:29 schestowitz[TR2]; and wants to kill some Ukrainian comedian

10:30 matey; putin is a wannabe stalin. but hes doing a notable job of it

10:30 schestowitz[TR2]; Stalin's DreamTeam(R)

10:30 matey; putin will prove hes stalin when his own closest people (finally) kill him

10:32 matey; stalinist freedom cancellers

10:32 mjg59_; The Death of Stalin is extremely good comedy

10:32 matey; /me prefers demobbed

10:32 *britney has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)

10:33 TR News; Dying companies, riding the money of misled people who think they're worth something https://gamerant.com/microsoft-acquire-netflix/

10:33 TR Bot; Analyst Thinks Microsoft Could Acquire Netflix

10:36 TR News; Improve Linux performance with this one weird trick Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167369

10:36 TR Bot; Improve Linux performance with this one weird trick | Tux Machines

10:36 matey; someone try to use duckduckgo in tor browser with scripts and cookies off

10:36 TR News; Why Internet Access Needs to Be Considered a Basic Human Right https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/internet-access-basic-human-right/

10:36 TR Bot; Why Internet Access Needs to Be Considered a Basic Human Right

10:37 matey; nevermind, my bad

10:37 TR News; Resilience Amid Oppression in Myanmars Digital Coup https://engagemedia.org/2022/pretty-good-podcast-20-myanmar-digital-coup/

10:37 TR Bot; Pretty Good Podcast Episode 20: Resilience Amid Oppression in Myanmar's 'Digital Coup' - EngageMedia

10:37 schestowitz[TR2]; SJVN: Microsoft is open source company

10:37 schestowitz[TR2]; open source... like github ;-)

10:37 schestowitz[TR2]; linux company

10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; blocks linux from booting

10:38 TR News; Dissecting Microsofts proposed policy to ban commercial open source apps Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167370

10:38 TR Bot; Dissecting Microsofts proposed policy to ban commercial open source apps | Tux Machines

10:38 matey; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU

10:38 TR Bot; https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU

10:38 TR Bot; timed out after 10001 milliseconds ( status 0 @ https://invidious.privacy.gd/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU )

10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; Tor is compromised

10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; the Tor Browser for sure

10:38 matey; blocks linux from booting <- pfft

10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; putting Microsoft spyware in the browser

10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; after Microsoftg paid them

10:38 matey; blocks linux from even being developed!

10:38 schestowitz[TR2]; via the Microsoft proxy

10:39 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/wiki/DuckDuckGo

10:39 TR Bot; DuckDuckGo - Techrights

10:39 schestowitz[TR2]; you cannot ask tor about the "donation"

10:39 schestowitz[TR2]; they ban you from irc if you ask

10:39 schestowitz[TR2]; they cannot justify it

10:39 schestowitz[TR2]; tor is finished to me

10:39 matey; okay

10:39 schestowitz[TR2]; sjvn joined the troll club of James and Sheela Microsoft

10:40 matey; if youre in india and want to access the internet, you tell me how

10:40 matey; ill wait

10:41 matey; even with their boatloads of hypocrisy and bullshit

10:41 matey; tor undoes more censorship than it causes

10:41 schestowitz[TR2]; deepends where

10:41 matey; way more

10:41 schestowitz[TR2]; like the back doors

10:41 schestowitz[TR2]; it intentional is sleective effect

10:41 schestowitz[TR2]; so that US empire can gain

10:42 schestowitz[TR2]; they want tor to work in russia

10:42 schestowitz[TR2]; to destabilise it

10:42 schestowitz[TR2]; but they exercise control over tor

10:42 matey; tor should work everywhere imo

10:42 schestowitz[TR2]; so that US dissidents can get caught

10:42 schestowitz[TR2]; there's always some zerop-day

10:42 schestowitz[TR2]; or minus-something-day

10:42 schestowitz[TR2]; they don't tell you

10:42 matey; youre conflating attacks on tor that tor discloses with tor itself

10:42 schestowitz[TR2]; and they control some devs for all we know

10:42 schestowitz[TR2]; they ousted the ones they could not control

10:43 schestowitz[TR2]; adn who openly spoke out against nsa et al

10:43 matey; try the rust angle, its less ridiculous

10:43 matey; i can think of better reasons not to use tor than you can

10:43 matey; they ousted the ones they could not control <- seems that way

10:44 matey; my guess is that jake was targeted for being an actual rapist

10:44 matey; he was still targeted

10:44 matey; but he may not be innocent

10:44 matey; maybe the only person keeping tor honest was a rapist, i dont know

10:45 schestowitz[TR2]; tor sacked many staff

10:45 schestowitz[TR2]; about a third

10:45 matey; they are (demonstrably) less honest now. i dont know if thats because jake left or not.

10:45 schestowitz[TR2]; and put in management someone I don't trust

10:45 matey; tor sacked many staf <- why, which ones

10:45 matey; i can find a reason not to use just about any software

10:46 matey; instead of literally formatting, i try to find the least bullshit software in the world

10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; right now tor truns to sir shit up OUTSIDE the 6-eyes

10:46 matey; that way i dont have to write my own kernel

10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; while we keep hearing of tor users unmasked in thw west

10:47 TR News; "What could go wrong with digital transformation?" IBM imposing Microsoft systemd and other vendor lockin on your infra to sell "support" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/digital-transformation-fear-derail-strategy

10:47 TR Bot; 5 ways fear can derail your digital transformation strategy | The Enterprisers Project

10:47 matey; giving dissidents tools that save their lives outside the jurisdiction of 6 eyes still seems like a good thing

10:47 matey; even if its done for less than noble reasons

10:48 TR News; "report sponsored by Red Hat." = marketing BS https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/it-talent-upskilling-boost-digital-transformation

10:48 TR Bot; IT talent: How upskilling can help boost digital transformation | The Enterprisers Project

10:48 matey; if youre implying that tor doesnt save dissident lives, just say so

10:48 matey; its better than dancing

10:48 schestowitz[TR2]; we need universal solutions

10:48 schestowitz[TR2]; not uses started by USAF

10:48 matey; im not sure we do actually

10:48 schestowitz[TR2]; or Navy

10:48 matey; the cloud is a universal solution

10:48 schestowitz[TR2]; whose?

10:48 matey; universal solutions are single points of failure

10:49 matey; you just said a few days ago that diversity is security

10:49 matey; in an article-- maybe even a title

10:49 schestowitz[TR2]; no, i mean, like gnu

10:49 matey; now you say universal solutions

10:49 schestowitz[TR2]; tor is like a us company

10:49 schestowitz[TR2]; kde iss german mostyl

10:49 matey; tor is a for-profit?

10:49 schestowitz[TR2]; nginx used to be russian

10:49 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe still is

10:49 schestowitz[TR2]; ask the people who they are loyalt o

10:50 matey; nginx used to be russian <- maybe written to destablise the west :)

10:50 TR News; Simplify client connection configurations with service contexts | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/07/18/simplify-client-connection-configurations-service-contexts Source: developers

10:50 TR Bot; Simplify client connection configurations with service contexts | Red Hat Developer

10:50 matey; youre fucked now, america! i give you: JAVASCRIPT!

10:50 matey; duck and cover! it hasnt got strong typing!

10:51 matey; (javascript is shit of course)

10:51 matey; but their plan backfired when npm grabbed back

10:51 matey; tor is a counterattack to russian nginx

10:51 matey; its basically a free software cold war

10:52 TR News; Community container images available for applications development https://fedoramagazine.org/community-container-images-available-for-applications-development/

10:52 TR Bot; Community container images available for applications development - Fedora Magazine

10:52 matey; i really cant figure which side systemd is supposed to be on though

10:52 matey; maybe its a double agent

10:54 matey; "this play is written to convince everyone that i should take over the world. i wrote it while drinking cof-fee. thats why i call it: javascript"

10:54 matey; "pfff!"

10:54 matey; "what?"

10:54 matey; "nothing, whats the sequel called, activex?"

10:54 matey; "listen"

10:54 matey; "no, no, im sure 'npm' is going to be a hit on broadway"

10:56 matey; it never ends though

10:56 matey; after tor hits back with... itself, russia counters with reactos

10:57 matey; a cunning plan to waste decades of peoples time

10:57 matey; (but at this point that puts it on par with the linux kernel, so-- milestone! sort of)

10:58 matey; reactos really is like a counterattack in every way

10:58 matey; but you know what will bring reactos to its knees?

10:58 matey; almost anything.

10:58 matey; really is like a counterattack <- i mean a russian one

10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 0

10:59 matey; also jeff goldblum missed an opportunity

10:59 matey; he disabled an alien ship with a virus called jolly roger

11 AM, July 18

11:00 matey; if he was really brutal, he would have uploaded clippy

11:00 matey; HI! IT LOOKS LIKE YOURE TRYING TO INVADE EARTH! CAN I HELP?

11:00 matey; that would have set the aliens back for centuries

11:01 matey; the updates alone would have kept the ships inoperable during crucial moments

11:01 matey; i mean seriously, if you want to be sure a computer isnt operational

11:02 matey; why would you trust ordinary malware to be as terrible as a microsoft product?

11:02 matey; when you want something bad, get the very worst.

11:02 matey; but if youre too cheap for that, just install systemd

11:03 matey; the conspiracy theory is it helps the nsa get in

11:03 matey; theyre probably having as much trouble with it as we are.

11:03 matey; "what the fuck is this? its not encrypted..."

11:04 matey; "yeah, but i cant make an ounce of sense of it either"

11:04 matey; "you think this is one of ours?" "no, ours has documentation and does what it says it does"

11:04 schestowitz[TR2]; jeff goldblum focused too much on the escapting t-rexes

11:04 matey; "must be one of israels"

11:05 matey; jeff goldblum focused too much on the escapting t-rexe <- in fairness thats a reasonable priority if youre being chased by one

11:05 schestowitz[TR2]; lol

11:05 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167372

11:05 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

11:05 TR News; Red Hat / IBM leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167371

11:05 TR Bot; Red Hat / IBM leftovers | Tux Machines

11:05 schestowitz[TR2]; trex compensates for its small "hands" with a very large jaw

11:06 matey; but he also could have stopped for a minute to see what jake appelbaum and jill bahring were doing

11:06 *Skywave has quit (connection closed)

11:06 matey; trex compensates for its small "hands" with a very large jaw

11:06 *Skywave (~SkywaveC3@6n2uh6ku4pmg4.irc) has joined #techrights

11:06 matey; bahring were doing im sure if trex were around today it would have enormous speakers too

11:06 matey; actually i think it did, maybe thats how ricing started

11:06 matey; t-ricing

11:06 schestowitz[TR2]; lol

11:07 matey; And the other males who we were with were basically just kind of running away from dinosaurs and dont really seem to see anything wrong with it, which is really quite distressing

11:08 matey; jeff goldblum is a rape apologist

11:08 matey; and a mac user

11:09 matey; as if the first thing wasnt bad enough

11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; pear user

11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; anagram

11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; of...

11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; pear statistics

11:09 matey; pear apologist!

11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; pair pprogramming

11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; copilot

11:10 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/07/14/buried-or-spiked-alex-graveley-story/

11:10 TR Bot; The Person Behind Microsofts GitHub/Copilot Does Not Want You to Know About $25,000 for Suffocating Asian Woman (Almost to Death), Repeatedly in Fact, and There Are Prior Victims Too | Techrights

11:10 matey; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc

11:10 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc

11:10 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | Jocko Homo (original version) - Invidious

11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; mjg59_: you and Sharp shoudl write about him

11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; you know

11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; for social justice

11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; he no longer works for Microsoft, I think

11:11 matey; for great social justice

11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; even for Microsoft it's too much

11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; like Microsoft Peter

11:11 matey; take off every dev

11:11 matey; move dev

11:11 schestowitz[TR2]; Graveley is worse than Tso

11:11 matey; you have no chance to present, make your time

11:13 schestowitz[TR2]; Tso: "Rape statistics"

11:13 schestowitz[TR2]; garveley: "tiny asian women"

11:13 schestowitz[TR2]; quote

11:14 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2021/12/27/lust-to-the-graveley/

11:14 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XII Life of Disorderly Conduct and Lust | Techrights

11:14 schestowitz[TR2]; "the body of a 12 year old girl"

11:14 schestowitz[TR2]; Microsoft 40+ year old engs

11:14 schestowitz[TR2]; wanting "the body of a 12 year old girl"

11:14 schestowitz[TR2]; "well, he's dead"

11:15 schestowitz[TR2]; no pettiion in github

11:15 schestowitz[TR2]; instead

11:15 schestowitz[TR2]; github promotes copilot

11:15 matey; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRguZr0xCOc <- 1:04 the eleventh doctor photobombs a 20th century music video

11:15 schestowitz[TR2]; made by Mr. "the body of a 12 year old girl"

11:15 schestowitz[TR2]; SJWs: silence

11:15 schestowitz[TR2]; nothing to see here

11:15 schestowitz[TR2]; RMS looked at somkeone "funny"

11:15 matey; stalin killed people for less

11:15 schestowitz[TR2]; "the body of a 12 year old girl"

11:16 schestowitz[TR2]; the "crime" of "walking all over the pavement"

11:16 schestowitz[TR2]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=BiqDZlAZygU

11:16 TR Bot; In full: Rowan Atkinson on free speech - Invidious

11:17 schestowitz[TR2]; matey: walking all over the pavement in leningrad

11:18 *schestowitz[TR2] just finished all the top fronting of a cake

11:19 schestowitz[TR2]; *frosting

11:19 *schestowitz[TR2] feels guilty

11:19 TR News; Links 18/07/2022: More on Microsofts Assault Against Free Software | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/assault-against-free-software/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/assault-against-free-software/

11:19 matey; roy eats the frosting off the top of a cake

11:19 TR Bot; Links 18/07/2022: More on Microsofts Assault Against Free Software | Techrights

11:19 matey; only a rape apologist would do something like that

11:19 schestowitz[TR2]; I ' straightened' the cake

11:19 matey; youre a cake denier

11:20 schestowitz[TR2]; it was decorative fronting

11:20 schestowitz[TR2]; we got the cake third price at tesco

11:20 schestowitz[TR2]; *frosting

11:20 matey; it was decorative fronting <- thats from a conspiracy theory website

11:20 matey; we got the cake third price at tesco < - so you admit youre a thief

11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; it did feel like a steal

11:21 matey; did you or did you not pay full price?

11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; sometimes stuff there is 90% off or more

11:21 matey; sometimes stuff there is 90% off or more <- so youve stolen more than once!

11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; two people carrying backpacks of food for less than a tenner

11:21 schestowitz[TR2]; obv. theft

11:21 matey; personally i wouldnt want any shoplifters at libreplanet

11:22 matey; i dont know anyone else who would be comfortable around such criminals

11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; deb icaza?>

11:22 matey; two people carrying backpacks of food for less than a tenner <- so you lead accomplices

11:22 matey; how long have you been involved in organised crime?

11:22 matey; deb icaza? <- deli, perhaps

11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; "nflation, maaaan"

11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; btw

11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; de icaza

11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; apparently sacked

11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; I was told

11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; but I need moore hard proof

11:23 matey; he wasnt sacked

11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; fridman the same, psydroid2

11:23 matey; they just did some de-icazing

11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; *iedman

11:23 Ariadne; sacked? probably retirement

11:23 matey; they should do some de-ICEing too

11:24 Ariadne; they should, but it's not likely to happen while the GSA exists

11:24 schestowitz[TR2]; de icazw was involved in some scnadal

11:24 Ariadne; almost all government buying goes through GSA

11:24 Ariadne; if you snub ICE, you snub all

11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; [11:41] <xxxx> Yeah I know that Miguel got kicked out[11:41]

11:25 matey; wow, f street.

11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; [11:41] <xxxx> Someone told me there was some beef with the Azure team[11:41]

11:26 schestowitz[TR2]; Microsft OWNS Mono now

11:26 matey; caveat azure

11:26 schestowitz[TR2]; so I guess miguel has only a pile of money

11:26 schestowitz[TR2]; from novell and microsoft

11:26 Ariadne; https://www.linkedin.com/in/migueld1

11:26 TR Bot; ( status 999 @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/migueld1 )

11:26 Ariadne; according to this, he is indeed out

11:26 matey; he will cry all the way to the bank

11:27 schestowitz[TR2]; laura and miguel can now make a couple dozen more offspring

11:27 matey; Microsft OWNS Mono now <- systemd too

11:27 schestowitz[TR2]; sort of

11:27 matey; ew

11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; it's OK, Microsoft is "?Linux company", according to SJVN

11:28 matey; thats all stallman needs now, is an alien jumping out of his chest

11:28 Ariadne; lol i ripped him for that

11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; it's involved in Linux

11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; like... how to make it not boot on laptops

11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; and making it seems like "security"

11:28 schestowitz[TR2]; not an antitrust matter

11:29 matey; ceocurity

11:29 schestowitz[TR2]; genetics

11:29 schestowitz[TR2]; geneticsec

11:29 matey; geneticssimmons

11:29 schestowitz[TR2]; genethttp://techrights.org/2019/11/09/upc-think-tanks/

11:30 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/

11:30 TR Bot; The OSIs President Apparently Does Not Know That His Own Employer (Salesforce) Works for ICE | Techrights

11:30 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/04/19/tidelift-concern-troll/

11:30 TR Bot; Tidelift is Connected to Microsoft and It Does Not Spread a Positive Message for the Free/Open Source Community | Techrights

11:30 schestowitz[TR2]; also simmons ^

11:30 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2019/11/09/upc-think-tanks/

11:30 TR Bot; Think Tanks, Bristows, Simmons and Birds Can Only Ever Lie to Us About the Dead Unified Patent Court (UPC) | Techrights

11:30 schestowitz[TR2]; Simmons and Simmons

11:30 schestowitz[TR2]; patent litigation fanatics

11:30 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Salesforce-GitHub-Avatar-Josh-Simmons.jpg

11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; The president of todays Open Source Initiative is outsourcing his work to proprietary software of Microsoft

11:31 schestowitz[TR2]; both co-founders of the OSI also quit or were banned

11:31 matey; s/buttafuoco/simmons/

11:32 matey; "David Letterman, in his last year of hosting Late Night with David Letterman, discussed the incident so often that Buttafuocos name was a recurring punchline"

11:32 matey; "In 2002, Buttafuoco participated in the Fox Networks Celebrity Boxing, originally slated to oppose John Wayne Bobbitt, who dropped out owing to being arrested for domestic abuse."

11:32 schestowitz[TR2]; is Letterman still alive?

11:32 matey; s/out/off/

11:32 matey; isdavidlettermanstillalive.com

11:32 schestowitz[TR2]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Night_with_David_Letterman

11:32 TR Bot; Late Night with David Letterman - Wikipedia

11:32 matey; i dont know if thats a real url, but it is the internet

11:33 schestowitz[TR2]; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Night_with_David_Letterman#/media/File:Jerry_Lewis_with_David_Letterman.jpg

11:33 TR Bot; Late Night with David Letterman - Wikipedia

11:33 matey; Letterman (sports), a classification of high school or college athlete in the United States

11:34 matey; letterman is 6 years older than rms

11:34 matey; but i think he looks more than 6 years older

11:34 matey; maybe he used to work for jim zemlin

11:35 matey; stupid dev tricks

11:35 TR News; As per revelations amid Snowden's NSA leaks, security is not their goal https://thehackernews.com/2022/07/juniper-releases-patches-for-critical.html

11:35 TR Bot; Juniper Releases Patches for Critical Flaws in Junos OS and Contrail Networking

11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; hehe

11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; working for James and Sheela Microsoft Foundation makes you look older?

11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; The first CTO was Ian Murdock

11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; and he hanged himself

11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; with help from SFPF

11:36 schestowitz[TR2]; *SFPD

11:37 matey; working for James and Sheela Microsoft Foundation makes you look older? <- didnt one of your own articles imply as much?

11:37 schestowitz[TR2]; let me check the xact framing

11:38 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2019/10/08/torvalds-age/

11:38 TR Bot; Corporate Disciplining Bad for Ones Health | Techrights

11:38 schestowitz[TR2]; "Disciplining"

11:38 schestowitz[TR2]; "Losing control over ones project after nearly 30 years apparently takes its toll on a person"

11:39 schestowitz[TR2]; 2018 and 2019

11:39 matey; "Losing control over ones project after nearly 30 years apparently takes its toll on a person" <- with a picture of torvalds looking fairly old

11:40 matey; with jim the impaler

11:40 matey; aka mac the knife

11:40 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists/

11:40 TR Bot; [Meme] They Send Linus Torvalds to Therapists While Microsoft Pays Their Full Salary | Techrights

11:40 matey; which rapists?

11:40 matey; sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists

11:40 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Linus-Torvalds-spanked.gif

11:41 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/2022/05/15/half-a-decade-torvalds/

11:41 TR Bot; What a Difference Half a Decade Makes (When Linux Foundation is Having Fun) | Techrights

11:41 matey; typo

11:41 matey; should be http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapeapologists

11:41 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapeapologists )

11:41 schestowitz[TR2]; the rapists

11:41 schestowitz[TR2]; therapy statictics

11:41 schestowitz[TR2]; most people cannot be cured

11:42 matey; saying people can be cured of being rapists sounds a lot like rape apologism

11:42 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/zemlin-torvalds.jpg

11:42 schestowitz[TR2]; gotta go steal

11:43 matey; rape apologism is what makes rape apologists, and all it takes is one little rapeseed

11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; noon they mark down the foods

11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; bbl

11:43 matey; stealing is killing tesco (and its illegal)

11:43 schestowitz[TR2]; (some of us don't get 6-figure salary, hardly a quarter that)

11:43 matey; we cant all be mitchell baker

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noon, July 18

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12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

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12:39 MinceR; 18 061802 < DaemonFC> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Drop_i686_JDKs

12:39 TR Bot; Changes/Drop i686 JDKs - Fedora Project Wiki

12:39 MinceR; i love their argumentation for it

12:40 MinceR; "we no longer ship it, therefore it no longer ties your hands, so it's great for you!"

12:40 MinceR; who cares if anyone was actually _using_ it

12:43 MinceR; lol @ "Bad reasonable."

12:54 MinceR; maybe fedora/ibm could stop shipping distros at all, thus no longer tying developers' hands

12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 0

1 PM, July 18

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13:29 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22071242

13:29 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/4ve387sgsva91.jpg created on 2022-07-12 16:51:39.910371

2 PM, July 18

14:02 TR News; Kink aesthetics gemini://republic.circumlunar.space/users/flexibeast/gemlog/2021-04-24.gmi

14:03 TR News; Spooky Anime #1 gemini://oubliette.smol.pub/xanime1

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14:26 Ariadne; MinceR: problem is 32-bit archs are increasingly becoming unsupported by upstream devs

14:34 MinceR; i understand, but that won't help someone who's trying to run a jdk on a 32bit system

14:34 MinceR; they might manage to not run afoul of the bugs if they just had the last official version

14:34 TR News; Gemini Radio: Episode 43 gemini://kwiecien.us/gemcast/20220718.gmi

14:35 TR News; Got EPO leaks. Long publication ahead. ETA 30 mins.

14:42 schestowitz[TR2]; very hot here today, but not yet humid

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3 PM, July 18

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15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

15:30 TR News; 4 Years of Monopoly Tony (Mr. Campinos) Violating the Rights of Free Association/Expression/Speech as EPO President | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/battistelli-the-second-vs-speech/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/battistelli-the-second-vs-speech/

15:30 TR Bot; 4 Years of Monopoly Tony (Mr. Campinos) Violating the Rights of Free Association/Expression/Speech as EPO President | Techrights

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15:32 TR News; "I've been a pseudo conspiracy junkie since I was very young" gemini://pluviam95.smol.pub/entry10

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15:32 TR News; a game in my head gemini://cyi1341.smol.pub/random8

15:35 TR News; Communicating with colleagues is a right; what the EPO did for nearly a decade was a violation of rights; Campinos violated these rights for 4 years and even showed his teeth (along with Barking Bergot, the Battistelli Bulldog he inherited and kept) just months after his term had started http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/battistelli-the-second-vs-speech/

15:35 psydroid2; OpenBSD 32-bit to the rescue

15:45 britney; people still run 32-bit systems?

15:52 MinceR; yes, people do

15:52 MinceR; for example, the last ThinkPad without IME or UEFI has only 32bit CPUs available

15:57 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22070954

15:57 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/56oq5q1fkx991.jpg created on 2022-07-09 15:26:39.371893

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4 PM, July 18

16:15 TR News; Libre Computer ROC-RK3328-CC now supports Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.18.2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167373

16:15 TR Bot; Libre Computer ROC-RK3328-CC now supports Ubuntu 22.04 with Linux 5.18.2 | Tux Machines

16:16 TR News; Mixtile Edge 2 Kit IoT edge computer supports Linux & Android Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167374

16:16 TR Bot; Mixtile Edge 2 Kit IoT edge computer supports Linux & Android | Tux Machines

16:16 TR News; AppFlowy: An Open-Source Alternative to Notion Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167375

16:16 TR Bot; AppFlowy: An Open-Source Alternative to Notion | Tux Machines

16:16 TR News; Disentangling the Debian derivatives: Which should you use? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167376

16:16 TR Bot; Disentangling the Debian derivatives: Which should you use? | Tux Machines

16:16 TR News; Asahi Linux adds support for Macs with M2 chips Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167377

16:16 TR Bot; Asahi Linux adds support for Macs with M2 chips | Tux Machines

16:16 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167378

16:16 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

16:27 TR News; SpellBinding: CELNTXY Wordo: IMPEL gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-07-18.gmi

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16:32 MinceR; (that is, without modifying the firmware)

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16:33 SomeH4x0r; hi

16:33 matey; hi

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16:33 matey; o/

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16:34 SomeH4x0r; I keep trying to find a good IRC client for Android (cuddlybear66 is on XMPP, she only appears on IRC sometimes)

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16:34 matey; I keep trying to find a good IRC client for Android

16:35 matey; she already uses one for the command line

16:35 SomeH4x0r; are there irssi builds for Android?

16:35 matey; she doesnt need one

16:36 matey; connectbot from android to the pc, then use the command line client from there

16:36 SomeH4x0r; and are the terminal emulators available good enough not to drop the connection when minimized

16:36 matey; i dont know, android sucks

16:37 SomeH4x0r; are "Linux phones" any good?

16:37 SomeH4x0r; some say Pinephone sucks, and I don't know others

16:37 matey; i dont know, linux and phones suck

16:37 matey; some say Pinephone sucks <- they suck

16:37 matey; no im not entirely serious about that

16:38 matey; im not aware of pinephone sucking

16:39 matey; i mean if connectbot doesnt work to her liking from android

16:39 matey; just use a webclient

16:39 matey; "ah but webclients suck"

16:39 matey; yeah well, so does android

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16:39 matey; but the if was conditional

16:40 matey; id never connect from android / phone to pc without making the phone its own account on the latter

16:40 matey; i assume every phone to be compromised

16:40 matey; make sure the tinfoil is at least 2-ply

16:41 schestowitz[TR2]; how many tissues?

16:41 schestowitz[TR2]; I beiove I can ply

16:42 matey; /me wont even re-ply to that

16:42 schestowitz[TR2]; your loos

16:42 matey; /me holds his nose

16:44 matey; after what happened with tso

16:44 matey; its definitely pronounced lie-nux

16:44 matey; and fuck wikipedia too

16:44 matey; corporate fucking shills

16:45 schestowitz[TR2]; simmonspedia

16:45 matey; lol

16:45 matey; the simmons thing is more of a tongue in cheek meme at this point

16:45 matey; hes an idiot, but not the most notable or anything

16:46 matey; he didnt even sign the letter

16:46 matey; wait

16:46 matey; nope, only josh. not gene.

16:46 matey; if you dont love k.i.s.s., youre an anti-semite

16:47 matey; if youre jewish and dont love k.i.s.s. youre self-hating

16:49 SomeH4x0r; I did mention web clients, but I see them as password stealers

16:50 matey; julia child was a rcrpe apologist

16:50 matey; /me throws keyboard out window, gets another

16:50 matey; fucker

16:50 SomeH4x0r; at least, the two public ones that I know (KiwiIRC, Mibbit)

16:50 matey; julia child was a crpe apologist

16:50 TR News; Freedom of Speech Cannot Coexist With Crime at the EPO | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/freedom-of-speech-epo/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/freedom-of-speech-epo/

16:50 TR Bot; Freedom of Speech Cannot Coexist With Crime at the EPO | Techrights

16:50 SomeH4x0r; a private The Lounge setup is bouncer-level (depends on the place where you set it up)

16:52 matey; as long as she uses a command line client on the pc, im going to recommend she ssh to her pc from her phone

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16:52 matey; that way she has all the advantages of her command line client (minus notifications)

16:53 matey; 75% of android applications are github based

16:53 matey; including connectbot. but you knew things were going to suck the minute you got an android

16:54 matey; plus you said she uses tor

16:55 matey; using her computer from her phone takes care of that

16:57 matey; https://www.mashed.com/908133/the-unexpected-ingredient-julia-child-used-in-crepes/ (sesame oil)

16:57 TR Bot; The Unexpected Ingredient Julia Child Used In Crpes

16:58 matey; "You don't have to put it in at all."

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5 PM, July 18

17:01 TR News; The corruption in Europes second-largest institution and largest patent office has become so profound that the only way to sustain this corruption is to silence and/or intimidate those who speak about it http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/freedom-of-speech-epo/

17:11 TR News; Razik Alex Menidjel: Software Patents Guru or Career-Climbing Poser Who Never Wrote Code? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/razik-alex-menidjel-swpats/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/razik-alex-menidjel-swpats/

17:11 TR Bot; Razik Alex Menidjel: Software Patents Guru or Career-Climbing Poser Who Never Wrote Code? | Techrights

17:24 TR News; The EPOs most notorious French dictator promoted a compatriot, Razik Menidjel, who was later promoted by another Frenchman, Antnio Campinos, the f***ing president (in his own words) who expects to be in the Office for a decade, promoting European software patents in violation of the EPC http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/razik-alex-menidjel-swpats/

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17:26 TR News; The only democracy in the middle east??? https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-07-18/ty-article/.premium/nsos-pegasus-software-was-used-against-thai-pro-democracy-activists-report-says/00000182-0dd8-d5f6-abe3-0ffbc44d0000

17:26 TR Bot; NO TITLE

17:27 TR News; "Ariadne Conill explores ways to make the Unix cat utility more efficient on Linux." https://lwn.net/Articles/901707/

17:27 TR Bot; How efficient can cat(1) be? [LWN.net]

17:32 schestowitz[TR2]; hi elephant (activelow)

17:33 TR News; Internal Roblox Documents Hacked and Posted Online https://www.maketecheasier.com/internal-roblox-documents-hacked/

17:33 TR Bot; Internal Roblox Documents Hacked and Posted Online - Make Tech Easier

17:34 TR News; Hacker's Corner: Complete Guide to Anti-Debugging in Linux - Part 3 https://linuxsecurity.com/features/hacker-s-corner-complete-guide-to-anti-debugging-in-linux-part-3 Source: linuxsecurity | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxsecurity.com/features/hacker-s-corner-complete-guide-to-anti-debugging-in-linux-part-3

17:34 TR Bot; Hacker's Corner: Complete Guide to Anti-Debugging in Linux - Part 3

17:38 TR News; Implementing Zero-Trust on Kubernetes - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/implementing-zero-trust-on-kubernetes/ Source: containerjournal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/implementing-zero-trust-on-kubernetes/

17:38 TR Bot; Implementing Zero-Trust on Kubernetes - Container Journal

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17:41 TR News; 36 degrees here today and tomorrow gemini://caolan.uk/cgi-bin/weather.py/wxfcs/352509 gemini://auragem.space/weather/imperial/location?manchester%2C%20uk

17:42 TR News; The reTerminal E10-1, the First Expansion Board for the reTerminal Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167379

17:42 TR Bot; The reTerminal E10-1, the First Expansion Board for the reTerminal | Tux Machines

17:42 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167380

17:42 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

17:42 TR News; Tor Browser 11.5 Adds Automatic Censorship Detection With HTTPS-Only Mode as Default http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167272#comment-34380

17:42 TR Bot; New Release: Tor Browser 11.5 | Tux Machines

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18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

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18:53 matey; We have become sadly familiar with the terms misinformation and disinformation and the need to critically examine the agendas and mindsets motivating these campaigns as well as check the facts behind their assertions. To our collective social woe, disinformation succeeds because so many people care deeply about injustice but do not take the time to study the facts before passing along or acting on disinformation.

18:54 matey; Hannah Wolfman-Jones[1] had already chosen Stallman as a coauthor when the call for his cancellation broke up in September 2019. Confronted with a dilemma, Hannah sought the advice of coauthor Nadine Strossen[2]. Here are her thoughts and the response she received from Nadine, extracted verbatim with their permission from the original article (worth reading.)

18:54 matey; As someone who had recently become an associate of thought-criminal Richard Stallman, I would be lying if I said this guilt-by-association didnt give me pause. The idea of my name being smeared all over the internet by a mob of strangers is not particularly appealing. Its the type of thing that makes one not want to speak up at all: a real chilling effect.

18:55 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/18/russias-parliament-to-consider-bill-on-propaganda-of-non-traditional-relationships-in-media-news "Russias parliament to consider bill on propaganda of non-traditional relationships in media"

18:55 TR Bot; .

18:55 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/18/rbc-tour-promoters-legally-discourage-russian-artists-from-making-political-statements-news "Tour promoters legally discourage Russian artists from making political statements"

18:55 TR Bot; .

18:55 matey; Nadine Strossen is an American civil liberties advocate and feminist. She served as president of the ACLU from 1991 to 2008 (Archived). She is a John Marshall Harlan II Professor of Law, Emerita (Archived). Strossen has been called a civil liberties luminary for her life long commitment to the rights of women, children, the oppressed, and freedom of speech. She has written extensively on these subjects and constitutional law.

18:56 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/18/7358807/

18:56 TR Bot; Dnipro missile strike: death toll rises to 4 | Ukrainska Pravda

18:56 matey; According to the Atlantic, a full 80 percent of Americans believe that "political correctness is a problem in our country." While today some smear the free speech movement as a racist dog-whistle or a far-right talking point, it turns out the numbers dont fit that narrative.

18:56 matey; Turns out just about everyone thinks we need more free speech

18:56 matey; This includes large pluralities of all races (e.g. 75% of African Americans, 87% of Hispanics) and all ages (e.g. 79% of Americans under age 24).

18:56 matey; 80% of americans think we should have speech without consequences!

18:56 matey; thank god for the 20% mob!

18:57 matey; thank god for 25% of african americans and THIRTEEN percent of hispanics, brave enough to wipe their shit with the idea of public discourse unfettered by neopuritan thought police

18:58 matey; theyre a real service to humanity, as are the (mostly white) lowlifes leading the charge against...

18:58 matey; ultimately, standing against corporations

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18:59 matey; since their chess moves always lead to corporate overthrow (which they claim to be against-- either because theyre lying, or incompetent)

18:59 matey; fake progressives, two-faced pretend liberators

7 PM, July 18

19:00 matey; scum

19:00 matey; they do more to hurt the credibility of the causes they cower behind, borrowing (stealing) credibility from

19:00 matey; at least until people figure out the causes themselves are innocent

19:01 matey; A 2017 poll of 2,300 U.S. adults, found that 71% Americans believe that political correctness has silenced important discussions our society needs to have

19:02 matey; All over an email voicing a perspective shared by a world-renowned civil-rights lawyer and feminist.

19:02 matey; a perspective SHARED by a world-renowned civil-rights lawyer and feminis

19:02 matey; Voicing such a perspective was even decried as abuse! because it was so politically incorrect, but what happens if society gets politically correct wrong? And if we dont allow the politically incorrect amongst us to speak, how will we ever know what stances considered politically correct are morally wrong?

19:04 matey; My name is Bohdan Kovalchuk. I am a leader of the NGO Ukrainian Liberation (Kyiv, Ukraine). The goal of my organization is to promote and spread the knowledge and the use of Free Software in my country.

19:04 matey; While I am writing this text to you, I can hear the air sirens we have yet another threat of attack. I don't know how many times I've heard this sound in the past few days. My country is in the middle of bloody war. This war was started by the insidious aggressor, the Russian Armed Forces led by the notorious dictator Vladimir Putin. Ordinary Ukrainians, women and children, are dying.

19:05 matey; But we are not afraid. They will not break us. Now Vladimir Putin is talking about nuclear missiles. But his talk can't break our spirit either.

19:05 matey; More than 4000 Russian servicemen have died in five days of military confrontation on Ukrainian soil. And resistance continues.

19:05 matey; Civilians throw themselves under the tanks in an attempt to stop them from moving further into Ukraine.

19:05 matey; Ordinary Ukrainians disarm tanks and armored vehicles with bare hands.

19:05 matey; BUT THAT DOESNT SCALE!

19:06 matey; so fucking what

19:06 matey; Ordinary Ukrainians disarm tanks and armored vehicles with bare hands.

19:06 matey; fucking a

19:06 matey; Often at the expense of their own lives, because the aggressors kill everyone, regardless of whether they are military or civilians.

19:06 matey; I am sure, the FLOSS Community has reliable sources of information (and the ability to think clearly) and knows about this situation already. So I will cut to the chase since I don't have much time (and, to be honest, mental or physical strength) to paint the picture in more graphic detail.

19:07 matey; I appeal to the FLOSS Community, the GNU project, and the FSF because I know that these organizations are defending rights of Freedom and Respect very actively and effectively: we need your help. Once, Richard Stallman said,

19:07 matey; Geeks like to think that they can ignore politics; you can leave politics alone, but politics won't leave you alone.

19:07 XRevan86; matey: This feels like an early post, March-April.

19:07 matey; This is what's happening in my country. But it affects everyone because Ukraine not only defends itself it defends human rights and peace, Freedom in every possible meaning.

19:08 matey; Published on March 3, 2022

19:08 matey; very accurate

19:08 matey; I am asking Russian citizens to fight the propaganda they are being exposed to. I urge them to find and read some pieces of news other than those that are being fed to them by the Kremlin. I ask them to find the courage to help us fight their insane dictator Vladimir Putin.

19:09 XRevan86; Both because the situation in Kyiv is nowhere near are dire right now, and the number of deaths well, the number of even just confirmed deaths is ~4700, per Mediazona and BBC.

19:09 matey; I am not even asking, I am begging all hackers to provide an official position on the war in Ukraine and share it among as many people as possible, especially among those in Russia, as they are under active disinformation attack launched by the local authorities. I beg you to help freedom-loving Ukraine to stand for itself and the whole world.

19:09 matey; Both because the situation in Kyiv is nowhere near are dire right now, and the number of deaths well, the number of even just confirmed deaths is ~4700, per Mediazona and BBC.

19:09 XRevan86; (of the Russian soldiers)

19:10 matey; i was honestly disappointed to see how little the article said about stallman

19:10 matey; its clearly in support-- its certainly relevant too

19:11 matey; propaganda, etc

19:11 XRevan86; Bohdan had other things to worry about?

19:11 matey; someone on social media asked why there were so many

19:11 matey; Bohdan had other things to worry about? <- of course

19:11 matey; but its on a website dedicated to defending stallman

19:11 matey; and i think the article does make points that achieve that purpose. im not saying its entirely off topic

19:12 matey; only it could have made the connection a little more clear (in a perfect world-- which it was obviously not written from!)

19:12 TR News; Alpine 3.16.1 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167381

19:12 TR Bot; Alpine 3.16.1 released | Tux Machines

19:12 matey; i mean the perfect world prerequisite would make the whole letter moot wouldnt it

19:12 matey; it would be a perfect world

19:12 matey; so no need

19:13 matey; i certainly dont take offense to it

19:13 matey; its a minor shame (by comparison, its a non-issue)

19:13 matey; but he does say:

19:13 matey; "human rights and peace, Freedom in every possible meaning."

19:13 matey; and that if nothing else makes it relevant

19:13 matey; to the topic of the website, imo

19:14 TR News; Linux distro for Apple silicon Macs is already up and running on the brand-new M2 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167377#comment-34382

19:14 TR Bot; Asahi Linux adds support for Macs with M2 chips | Tux Machines

19:14 matey; the connection is clear enough

19:14 matey; i wish it were just slightly more explicit about it

19:14 matey; but its an imperfect world, of course

19:14 matey; i certainly wouldnt write him to complain

19:14 TR News; Rocky Linux 9 and its new build service enter the ring http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167237#comment-34381

19:14 TR Bot; Rocky Linux 9 Officially Released with GNOME 40 Desktop, Improved Security | Tux Machines

19:14 matey; that would be like the angry note left on the windshield of an ambulance for double parking

19:15 matey; (when the ambulance is on duty)

19:15 matey; i also notice he spells it kyiv

19:16 XRevan86; matey: Ye may have noticed I also spell everything this way.

19:16 matey; as someone who only uses cyrillic via cut and paste, id be most likely to use the spelling of whomever i most admire (and preferably a native to the region obviously)

19:16 XRevan86; now

19:16 matey; you use kyiv as well?

19:16 XRevan86; yes

19:16 matey; oh, well

19:16 matey; that does settle it

19:16 matey; ^ not sarcasm

19:17 matey; between you and this guy, its as good as consensus

19:17 matey; with him, its simple admiration

19:17 matey; with you, its your mercilous attention to detail

19:17 XRevan86; It's pretty obvious what spelling variant is going to settle, and if the decision is final, is there even a point in prescriptivist arguments against?

19:17 matey; and if the decision is final <- i mean, its a bit like trans pronouns

19:17 matey; language is finally settled by its speakers

19:18 XRevan86; It's like trying to spell it "iland" even though no one else does.

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19:18 matey; whats wrong with a silent s?

19:18 matey; (or an ilant s)

19:18 matey; (yes this is completely inaccurate, its also a joke)

19:18 XRevan86; matey: It's only there in conflation with "isle".

19:18 matey; ilse?

19:19 matey; actually

19:19 matey; island is very accurate

19:19 matey; it IS LAND

19:19 XRevan86; matey: "isle" has an "s", so the English spellers have put an "s" into "iland".

19:19 matey; serious question: when was it ever iland?

19:19 XRevan86; matey: In Middle English

19:19 matey; thats terrible

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19:20 matey; /me blames them for ipods, ipads, etc

19:20 matey; ispods

19:20 XRevan86; matey: Hypercorrection at its finest.

19:20 matey; ess-soda

19:20 XRevan86; Happens all the time: octopi, meese, et al.

19:21 matey; yeah i did octopi on some

19:21 matey; oh yes

19:21 matey; spartaci :)

19:21 XRevan86; Irregular forms that are just made up on analogy.

19:21 matey; if all of them were spartacus

19:21 matey; that means they were all spartaci

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19:21 matey; heil elephant!

19:21 matey; but not really

19:21 XRevan86; matey: That doesn't work because it's actually true :)

19:21 matey; That doesn't work because it's actually tru <- well, fuck

19:22 matey; out of curiosity, why would that be the correct pluralisation?

19:22 XRevan86; matey: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Spartacus#Latin Because Latin.

19:22 TR Bot; Spartacus - Wiktionary

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19:23 matey; latin: because simple languages are no fun (not true)

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19:23 XRevan86; English is that kind of language that loans the plural declension too (sometimes).

19:23 matey; english is basically calvinball

19:24 matey; it does have some rules, i think

19:24 TR News; KAIST Shows Off DirectCXL Disaggregated Memory Prototype https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/18/kaist-shows-off-directcxl-disaggregated-memory-prototype/ Source: nextplatform | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/18/kaist-shows-off-directcxl-disaggregated-memory-prototype/

19:24 TR Bot; KAIST Shows Off DirectCXL Disaggregated Memory Prototype

19:24 matey; at least sometimes

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19:24 matey; english has rules, you know

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19:24 matey; because if you dont have them-- you cant break them

19:24 XRevan86; No other declensions though, otherwise "I saw Spartacum, so I gave Spartaco a jelly baby"

19:25 matey; ah yes, hello spartacus-- would you care for a jelly baby?

19:25 TR News; AYANEO just declared WAR on SteamOS (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RLHuxNAlElo Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yewtu.be/watch?v=RLHuxNAlElo

19:25 TR Bot; AYANEO just declared WAR on SteamOS (Plus other Deck news) - Invidious

19:25 XRevan86; No, that would be "Hello, Spartace" :)

19:25 matey; or the earliest example of "if youre going to bring candy you have to share it with everyone"

19:26 matey; now youre just being a smartace

19:26 matey; :)

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19:26 XRevan86; matey: techrights-news received malformed line because of that pun.

19:26 *matey has quit (connection closed)

19:26 XRevan86; Not the only one.

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19:27 TR News; "The 'column' command is a standard command line utility that is part of the util-linux package. What 'column' does is takes input and adds columns to the output. This is especially useful for files that have field separator characters like CSV files." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=NK3kbL7Mipc

19:27 TR Bot; Display file contents in columns with the "column" command - Invidious

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19:28 schestowitz; Linux User Space: Episode 3:02: The Utopic Tale of Ubuntu https://www.linuxuserspace.show/302 Source: linuxuserspace "Linux User Space

19:28 TR Bot; Linux User Space: Episode 3:02: The Utopic Tale of Ubuntu

19:28 schestowitz; A podcast focused on connecting user space and community

19:29 schestowitz; "

19:37 TR News; What a dumb headline. Like ChromeOS, this one too uses Linux. https://windowsreport.com/steam-tesla/

19:37 TR Bot; Steam is no longer just for Windows, Mac, and Linux users

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19:40 TR News; Another listening device https://www.addictivetips.com/android/what-is-bixby-home/

19:40 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.addictivetips.com/android/what-is-bixby-home/ )

19:41 TR News; Is Ubuntu a bad Linux Distro? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=nmBT7nmonFY Source: Video | Invidious | Multimedia | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//yewtu.be/watch?v=nmBT7nmonFY

19:41 TR Bot; Is Ubuntu a bad Linux Distro? - Invidious

19:41 SomeH4x0r; things are getting worse

19:42 TR News; More spying https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/facebook-is-now-encrypting-links-to-prevent-url-stripping.html

19:42 TR Bot; Is Now Encrypting Links to Prevent URL Stripping - Schneier on Security

19:50 AdmFubar; this one is for you roy! https://xkcd.com/2647/

19:50 TR Bot; Capri Suns

19:52 TR News; WWW better off avoided where possible https://www.ghacks.net/2022/07/17/facebook-has-started-to-encrypt-links-to-counter-privacy-improving-url-stripping/

19:52 TR Bot; Facebook has started to encrypt links to counter privacy-improving URL Stripping - gHacks Tech News

19:52 schestowitz[TR2]; AdmFubar: thanks

19:56 TR News; GNU Health - News: GNU Health project to implement REUSE compliance [Savannah] http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10208 Source: savannah | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10208

19:56 TR Bot; GNU Health - News: GNU Health project to implement REUSE compliance [Savannah]

19:56 AdmFubar; y/w

19:56 AdmFubar; ;)

19:56 TR News; You know a slow news day when... https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ben-Widawsky-Leaves-Intel

19:56 TR Bot; Longtime Intel Linux Engineer Joins Google - Phoronix

19:57 AdmFubar; https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/fleeceware-apps-overcharge-users-for-basic-app-functionality.421439/

19:57 TR Bot; Fleeceware apps overcharge users for basic app functionality | Wilders Security Forums

19:58 TR News; todays howtos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167382

19:58 TR News; Videos: Ubuntu, Column, Linux User Space, AYANEO Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167383

19:58 TR Bot; today''s howtos | Tux Machines

19:58 TR Bot; Videos: Ubuntu, Column, Linux User Space, AYANEO | Tux Machines

8 PM, July 18

20:02 TR News; stalld: v1.17 https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/utils/stalld/stalld.git/commit/?h=main&id=bcfd1604eea2619d9919dadef7562967a60d06d3

20:02 TR Bot; stalld/stalld.git - daemon to detect stalled threads and temporarily boost for forward progress

20:06 TR News; xfs: improve CIL scalability https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/fs/xfs/xfs-linux.git/commit/?h=xfs-5.20-merge&id=dd81dc05598c3028666d00709ef0810aa459bf8d

20:06 TR Bot; xfs/xfs-linux.git - XFS kernel development tree

20:06 TR News; "A recent snafu where Intel ignored upstream feedback on a firmware change, led to a late rc6 fix being required. In order to avoid this in the future we should document some expectations around linux-firmware." https://lore.kernel.org/all/20220718072144.2699487-1-airlied@gmail.com/T/#u

20:06 TR Bot; [PATCH] docs: driver-api: firmware: add driver firmware guidelines.

20:07 TR News; Live Raizo 13.22.07.17 is out https://sourceforge.net/projects/live-raizo/

20:07 TR Bot; Raizo - Linux for Virtual SysAdmin download | SourceForge.net

20:08 TR News; Emmabunts de5-alpha0 is also out https://emmabuntus.org/

20:08 TR Bot; Emmabunts Collectif pour le remploi des ordinateurs et distribution Linux base sur Debian

20:09 TR News; "Missed it and was looking up Trisquel when I saw this in the threads. Appears Poeterring left RH for M$." https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=4175714699&goto=newpost

20:09 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=4175714699&goto=newpost )

20:10 TR News; Public Knowledge Urges Congress To Swiftly Move New Net Neutrality Bill Forward - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-urges-congress-to-swiftly-move-new-net-neutrality-bill-forward/ Source: publicknowledge

20:10 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Urges Congress To Swiftly Move New Net Neutrality Bill Forward - Public Knowledge

20:12 TR News; "gem-compare v1.2.0, new contributors, and 200+ GitHub starts. My little RubyGems plugin got some new contributions. Read the v1.0 announcement to know whats the gem about." https://nts.strzibny.name/gem-compare-new-contributors/

20:12 TR Bot; gem-compare's new contributors

20:13 TR News; 15 Free Coding Games To Learn Programming for Beginners https://www.ubuntupit.com/free-coding-games-to-learn-programming/ Source: UbuntuPIT | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.ubuntupit.com/free-coding-games-to-learn-programming/

20:13 TR Bot; 15 Free Coding Games To Learn Programming for Beginners

20:15 TR News; Top 10 Free and Professional Video Editors in 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167384

20:15 TR Bot; Top 10 Free and Professional Video Editors in 2022 | Tux Machines

20:16 TR News; "It is hot. It will keep getting hotter in the coming years. Enjoy the coolest summer youll ever have. Not much else to say." https://rakudoweekly.blog/2022/07/18/2022-29-hot/

20:17 TR Bot; 2022.29 Hot Rakudo Weekly News

20:20 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/18/electrical_engineers_extinction/

20:20 TR Bot; Engineers on brink of extinction threaten entire ecosystems The Register

20:24 schestowitz[TR2]; ecosystems

20:24 schestowitz[TR2]; ?

20:25 schestowitz[TR2]; they burn energy

20:25 schestowitz[TR2]; that ruins the real ecosystems

20:25 schestowitz[TR2]; marketing metaophrs

20:28 AdmFubar; that is electrical engineers...

20:29 schestowitz[TR2]; fossil econsystem

20:31 elephant; theregister.com is a pain to read with a text-browser

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20:34 TR News; Debian Takes Money From Microsoft - an Epic Mistake | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/

20:34 TR Bot; Debian Takes Money From Microsoft an Epic Mistake | Techrights

20:34 schestowitz[TR2]; elephant: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https://www.theregister.com/

20:34 TR Bot; The Register: Enterprise Technology News and Analysis

20:35 elephant; thanks

20:36 *SomeH4x0r (~someh4xx@nn58qcu3qngy2.irc) has joined #techrights

20:36 TR News; "Our lives continute to be quite busy here at Rob's Gemini Capsule. I can't promise that my log hiatus will end soon, though I think I will be able to post a few more log entries this week." Our lives continute to be quite busy here at Rob's Gemini Capsule. I can't promise that my log hiatus will end soon, though I think I will be able to post a few more log entries this week. I

20:36 TR News; "Our lives continute to be quite busy here at Rob's Gemini Capsule. I can't promise that my log hiatus will end soon, though I think I will be able to post a few more log entries this week." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202207/20220718-2022-week-26-27-28-photos.gmi

20:38 TR News; Microsoft is already in third E, Extinguish. But I don't think it can succeed. It'll try anyway, riding the bailout money from Trump and Biden in an effort to hijack the competition or mess it up.

20:38 psydroid2; is Microsoft succeeding at all?

20:39 schestowitz[TR2]; in some regards

20:39 schestowitz[TR2]; but it relies on

20:39 schestowitz[TR2]; 1) gov. money

20:39 schestowitz[TR2]; (taxpayers)

20:39 schestowitz[TR2]; 2) defrauding shareholders

20:39 schestowitz[TR2]; gamblking with their moiney to buy compnaies

20:41 elephant; wake up, there isn't no free software no more

20:43 elephant; what GNU/FSF are selling, hooks development manpower behind Pentagon IBM Wintel computers

20:45 schestowitz[TR2]; will somebody think of the poor sizxels!

20:46 elephant; there isn't no free software/hardware to terminate VT100 at least, with 640x480 16color graphics

20:47 elephant; and i haven't got the time yet nor the equipment to review the gigatron native assembly sources for their ROM

20:47 elephant; if this doesn't pass, then there is nothing

20:48 elephant; the fact, thousands of competent idealists are lured into the GNU/FSF freedom scam, this makes it worse

20:50 elephant; besides, Verilog/HDL too are Software

20:50 elephant; this originated in the DoD too, in parallel to the 1984 semiconductor protection act

20:51 elephant; corrupt criminals

20:51 elephant; intel

20:52 TR News; [Meme] EPO Management Coming Out of the Closet | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/epo-skeletons-in-the-closet/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/epo-skeletons-in-the-closet/

20:52 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO Management Coming Out of the Closet | Techrights

20:55 elephant; meanwhile i ditched the idea to depend on Z80 and most microcontrollers alike, because of SDCC (small device c compiler), which is written in c++

20:56 elephant; such compiler, there won't be any chance ever, to port this onto a z80 itself as a self-hosting development environment

20:56 elephant; don't know, on whose payroll the developers were, and which management dictated such decisions

20:57 elephant; the only benefit Z80 has, is introductory literature available for low level programming

20:58 elephant; and there is another problem, as soon as high-freqency analog and digital circuitry is involved...

20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 0

20:59 elephant; such measurement equipment, which is capable for anything in 100Mhz and GHz range, that's both expensive and all of it proprietary locked down

20:59 elephant; logic analyzers, digital scopes, all that, even when it's free as in free, it's not fast enough then

20:59 TR News; Links 18/07/2022: Alpine 3.16.1 Released | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/alpine-3-16-1-released/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/alpine-3-16-1-released/

20:59 TR Bot; Links 18/07/2022: Alpine 3.16.1 Released | Techrights

9 PM, July 18

21:00 elephant; however, with a Gigatron TTL or Z80 clocked at a few MHz, chances some cheapo gear suffices then

21:02 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167385

21:02 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

21:04 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167386

21:04 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

21:09 *elephant watching movie "no country for old men"

21:09 elephant; maybe coincidence, texas instruments and their TTL7400 series

21:09 elephant; which have another benefit: long-term supply of those!!!

21:09 TR News; AnsibleFest 2022 registration is now open https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/ansiblefest-2022-registration-now-open Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/en/blog/ansiblefest-2022-registration-now-open

21:09 TR Bot; AnsibleFest 2022 registration is now open

21:10 elephant; because often, particular hardware isn't available long-term, to mention one example which isn't the best: allwinner pinebook laptop

21:10 elephant; if i began to tailor some fimrware for this? few month later it's outdated again...

21:11 TR News; CentOS Community Newsletter... as if it is still a community :-( https://blog.centos.org/2022/07/centos-community-newsletter-july-2022/

21:11 TR Bot; Community Newsletter, July 2022 Blog.CentOS.org

21:11 elephant; yet, as long as Z80 or TTL7400 parts are available, to assemble some computer from... homebrew... 50 years

21:11 schestowitz[TR2]; are you trying to assemble a secure toolchain forn /oppressed' nazis?

21:12 elephant; huh?

21:12 schestowitz[TR2]; why use such old hardware?

21:13 schestowitz[TR2]; you were not even born when it was last made

21:13 elephant; the gigatron isn't old, it was published 2019

21:13 DaemonFC; https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/gm-is-in-very-serious-financial-trouble-and-thinks-that-the-solution-is-to-force-every-new-buick-and-gmc-owner-into-a-1500-three-year-onstar-subscription/

21:13 TR Bot; GM is in very serious financial trouble and thinks that the solution is to force every new Buick and GMC owner into a $1500 three year OnStar subscription BaronHK's Rants

21:13 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], ^

21:13 elephant; and various Z80 SBC are rather new too

21:13 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: they remove features

21:13 schestowitz[TR2]; then sell them back to you

21:13 schestowitz[TR2]; as annual fees

21:13 DaemonFC; OnStar though, LOL

21:13 schestowitz[TR2]; you don't know what you're getting with a new car anymore

21:14 DaemonFC; Mom didn't even want it when it was uncommon to have a cell phone.

21:14 schestowitz[TR2]; they can also jack up the price

21:14 schestowitz[TR2]; for you to use what you already have

21:14 DaemonFC; I was 19 when mom bought the 2003 Impala.

21:14 DaemonFC; It still runs, you know.

21:14 DaemonFC; She has it again.

21:15 TR News; "Its been a hot July week in Amsterdam, and I expect hotter days are still to come. I wish air conditioning was more popular in Europe, but alas. This month of FOSS development enjoyed a lot of small improvements in a lot of different projects." https://drewdevault.com/2022/07/18/Status-update-July-2022.html

21:15 TR Bot; Status update, July 2022

21:15 DaemonFC; It came with an OnStar subscription for 6 months.

21:15 DaemonFC; She said she wasn't keeping it.

21:15 DaemonFC; I noticed her hitting the blue button and an operator picked up and asked who you wanted to call.

21:15 DaemonFC; And she was calling her husband with it.

21:15 TR News; "Happy Monday, everyone -- lets review the Apache communitys activities from the past week..." https://blogs.apache.org/foundation/entry/the-apache-news-round-up264

21:15 TR Bot; The Apache News Round-up: week ending 15 July 2022 : The Apache Software Foundation Blog

21:15 elephant; DaemonFC: how is this related to the recent GNU/FSF freedom scam talk?

21:16 DaemonFC; And I said "That's pretty cool I guess, how much is it?" and she says "I'm just using it because it's a free trial that came with the car, but it's like $80 a month if you want it after that."

21:17 DaemonFC; I said, "Gee, that's pretty stupid. I have this Nokia phone from Sprint and it goes with me everywhere and I get 850 minutes a month that roll over, and that only costs me $35.".

21:17 schestowitz[TR2]; they know you don't use it

21:17 schestowitz[TR2]; like the "unlimited" scam

21:17 schestowitz[TR2]; they sell more than you can poissibly use

21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; i once had a grlfriend who would phone talking about rubbish for hours

21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; I asked why

21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; she said she had loads of 'free' minutes

21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; soi they emnd up talking more than they typically would

21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; just to feel like they get their money's worth

21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; even if there's nothing important to say

21:18 DaemonFC; Well, obviously the phone didn't run apps back then so I didn't have Grindr.

21:19 elephant; anyway, what you get with FSF/GNU/Linux/BSD is this: free software with a termination cycle of a few month each

21:19 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: the problem was not the phgone

21:19 DaemonFC; The whole thing was pretty inefficient. You had to get on a Yahoo room called Indiana M4M and then there were all these spam bots and pedos in there, it was revolting. So I came up with a method of moderating the room myself.

21:19 schestowitz[TR2]; it was the rubbish

21:19 DaemonFC; I found some programs that took advantage of bugs in YIM to force them off the Chat server.

21:19 schestowitz[TR2]; and the "free" plan made an extra incentive to talk rubbish for longer

21:20 DaemonFC; And it would block spammers and automatically return a "boot" command to them.

21:20 DaemonFC; I also found some bugs in MSN Chat's ActiveX control.

21:20 schestowitz[TR2]; activex..

21:20 schestowitz[TR2]; shudders

21:20 DaemonFC; I couldn't get anyone at Microsoft to fix it, so I knocked their entire chat server offline.

21:20 DaemonFC; To make a point.

21:21 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> activex..

21:21 DaemonFC; Yeah, I found a way to get ActiveX to work in Opera.

21:22 DaemonFC; You grabbed their NPAPI plug-in that piped ActiveX controls to Netscape and either dropped it in the Netscape plugins folder or Opera's, and it worked there too, even though they didn't mention Opera.

21:22 DaemonFC; I didn't use it that way for long, though.

21:22 schestowitz[TR2]; elephant: not even free software is good is you plan to transmit illegal "contewnt" in your country

21:23 schestowitz[TR2]; *if

21:23 DaemonFC; If you removed IE, everything about it was gone, including the ability for anything on the computer to use ActiveX.

21:23 elephant; i say GNU/FSF etc. aren't free as in free as in free

21:23 DaemonFC; For the hell of it, I tried out some old versions of IE, 1 and 2.

21:23 schestowitz[TR2]; actiiiivex... and sjvn: microsoft is '/"Linux company" now

21:23 DaemonFC; In 1998 they still rendered sites for the most part.

21:23 schestowitz[TR2]; still can't get past the idiocy of what he said

21:23 schestowitz[TR2]; seems like Microsoft propaganda finds new routes

21:23 schestowitz[TR2]; and they bribe debian again

21:23 elephant; it is a marketing scam pushed, to lure competent development manpower into Pentagon IBM Wintel

21:23 DaemonFC; SJVN is their backup Dr. Pizza.

21:24 DaemonFC; They needed someone who probably won't be busted as a pedo to repackage their spam.

21:24 schestowitz[TR2]; I'd still choose Pentagon IBM Wintel over nazism

21:24 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: ouch

21:24 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: it wasn't his first time

21:24 schestowitz[TR2]; something is not right

21:25 elephant; schestowitz[TR2]: finally the mindset and idiocy unveiled in here

21:25 schestowitz[TR2]; right

21:25 schestowitz[TR2]; you

21:25 schestowitz[TR2]; because Pentagon IBM Wintel did noit killed 50 million europeans

21:25 schestowitz[TR2]; IBM helped them a bit

21:25 elephant; right, they killed many more

21:26 elephant; and didn't loose power over it, after 15 years

21:26 schestowitz[TR2]; they kiled a lot of those who started the war

21:26 elephant; then, who started it?

21:26 elephant; and what?

21:26 schestowitz[TR2]; WW1 Geermany

21:26 schestowitz[TR2]; reperations

21:26 schestowitz[TR2]; then germany agaaaaaaain

21:26 schestowitz[TR2]; \

21:26 schestowitz[TR2]; *reparations

21:27 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], "Richard Stallmans political notes said yet again, and hes very, very wrong btw, that interest rates should remain low. Hes following some splogs that pose as news sites, where Paul Krugman passes as an economist.

21:27 DaemonFC; Stallman repeatedly and incorrectly asserts that hyperinflation will help the poor. Wrong. Cheap money flows to the rich and creates moral hazards. It does things like propping up asset bubbles, even as the economy sheds jobs.

21:27 DaemonFC; Right now, were watching a massive (and I must say hilarious) correction in the cryptocurrency market, just months after Matt Damons Super Bowl ads. My Savings Account is paying out 2.5 times as much interest as it as two months ago. We need to get inflation under control and reward people for prudently managing their finances.

21:27 schestowitz[TR2]; your "homeland"

21:27 DaemonFC; I dont see the jobs market being affected very much by rising interest rates. What I do see being taken away, stolen, from workers, is their ability to use their paychecks to buy food and housing. And that has to stop!

21:27 DaemonFC; One of the outcomes of wasteful government spending and years of low interest rates is that when I wanted a nicer used car, I had to pay $8,000, for one that needed work.

21:27 DaemonFC; Stallman ignores actual problems like this and argues that the Fed should just throw more cheap money everywhere."

21:27 DaemonFC; Stallman on inflation.

21:27 schestowitz[TR2]; RMS has not worked properly since age 30

21:27 elephant; schestowitz[TR2]: you are aware, 70% of the NAZI SA street mob were communists (beefsteak nazis)?

21:27 schestowitz[TR2]; he has done gnu since then

21:27 elephant; i mean, if you want to swing the red banner over software, go for it

21:27 schestowitz[TR2]; and lived in his offince until the last 90s

21:28 elephant; anyway, GNU/FSF are a scam

21:28 schestowitz[TR2]; financial advise from someone holed up in an MIT office and living on grants is not one that's applicable to me, personally

21:28 elephant; to sell IBM Wintel Pentagon crap "made in usa"

21:29 schestowitz[TR2]; that's nonsense

21:29 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe you heard that in some nazi-infested pub

21:29 schestowitz[TR2]; that blames "communists" for germany invading countries

21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-17.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-18.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi

21:30 elephant; let's get back to tech? how about that? and see to who and what FSF/GNU etc. who they really are?

21:30 TR News; Pitivi GSoC: 2nd Update https://www.aryank.in/posts/2022-07-18-pitivi-gsoc-2nd-update/

21:30 TR Bot;

21:31 schestowitz[TR2]; elephant: you can post in techpol if you must about politics

21:32 elephant; schestowitz[TR2]: you posted politics, not me

21:32 schestowitz[TR2]; me? I worried about your poolitical views here

21:32 schestowitz[TR2]; like pro-putin nonsense

21:32 MinceR; 18 222823 < elephant> to sell IBM Wintel Pentagon crap "made in usa"

21:32 MinceR; yeah, it's not like windows runs on them... oh wait

21:32 elephant; schestowitz[TR2]: i am NOT pro-putin

21:32 schestowitz[TR2]; you are

21:32 elephant; yet i do NOT follow the insane propaganda lies and crap, again "made in usa"

21:32 schestowitz[TR2]; you think putin needs to liberae germany

21:33 MinceR; do we really look _that_ gullible?

21:33 elephant; i think germany ceased to exist, decades ago

21:33 SomeH4x0r; one of the Germanies did

21:33 schestowitz[TR2]; you live in another dimension

21:33 schestowitz[TR2]; the world has moved on

21:33 elephant; and it is ruled by atlantic bridge minions and criminals

21:33 elephant; who serve the interests, again, of IBM Wintel Pentagon and their spying, looting and plundering

21:33 schestowitz[TR2]; the germany you missed caused misery to everyone, inc. its own people

21:34 MinceR; strange, i was told the germanies merged

21:34 TR News; Debian has resumed taking bribes from Microsoft after a year or two without that; that does not inspire much confidence in the direction or the judgment of the leaders, who are unable to recognise a company that attacks GNU/Linux more viciously than any other company http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/debconf22-welcomes-microsoft/

21:34 TR Bot; Debian Takes Money From Microsoft an Epic Mistake | Techrights

21:34 SomeH4x0r; I'm not sure if they "merged", more like one ceased to exist, and the other one took its land

21:34 TR News; As rulings against the EPO pile up (violations of fundamental rights) the EPOs Web site, basically a barrage of lies, wont age well like a human locked up inside a closet http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/epo-skeletons-in-the-closet/

21:34 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO Management Coming Out of the Closet | Techrights

21:34 elephant; it ceased to exist entirely

21:34 SomeH4x0r; at least, looking at their names

21:34 elephant; there isn't no germany anymore, it's long gone

21:35 elephant; although, that's not the technical arguments to be made about USA, GNU and FSF, and who they really are

21:35 schestowitz[TR2]; east germany ceased to exist when you were 10

21:35 schestowitz[TR2]; so maybe you just mis your childhood

21:35 elephant; wrong again

21:35 schestowitz[TR2]; not the "olld" germany

21:35 elephant; east germany ceased to exist 1945

21:35 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> RMS has not worked properly since age 30

21:35 elephant; the area of the democratic republic was central germany

21:35 DaemonFC; Stallman has plenty of money and lives cheaply.

21:35 elephant; get the facts first, before talking

21:36 DaemonFC; So he's probably not in tune with what a lot of people go through.

21:36 schestowitz[TR2]; yeah

21:36 elephant; and i would rather want to talk about technical facts, and USA and GNU and FSF

21:36 elephant; and what they do

21:36 schestowitz[TR2]; to put it crusely

21:36 schestowitz[TR2]; he's a friend

21:36 MinceR; 18 223442 < SomeH4x0r> I'm not sure if they "merged", more like one ceased to exist, and the other one took its land

21:36 elephant; and who they are, and their methods

21:36 schestowitz[TR2]; but on fiscal issues he can be out of touch

21:36 schestowitz[TR2]; because of his way of living

21:36 MinceR; i don't recall any protests against taking that land at the time

21:36 schestowitz[TR2]; not evceyone gets medals and grants/awards

21:36 DaemonFC; I'm absolutely furious about the inflation.

21:36 DaemonFC; I'm in the demographic Stallman insists it is helping.

21:37 MinceR; hi absolutely furious about the inflation, i'm dad

21:37 DaemonFC; It doesn't help when every time I do a grocery order it's several percent more expensive than the last time.

21:37 schestowitz[TR2]; btw, price of eggs here SOARED

21:37 DaemonFC; Sometimes eggs go up $1-2 per box since the last time you looked, a couple months ago.

21:37 schestowitz[TR2]; it must means severe shortage

21:37 schestowitz[TR2]; we checked tow shops

21:37 schestowitz[TR2]; one today also... it'll like a 70% increase in a month

21:37 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], The price came down and I bought 120 eggs when it did.

21:38 DaemonFC; They're good in the fridge for like 4 months.

21:38 schestowitz[TR2]; RMS would be livid if he had ato make a living stocking shelves

21:38 schestowitz[TR2]; he was an OS eng/coder

21:38 schestowitz[TR2]; and then activist/hacktissst

21:38 schestowitz[TR2]; coder

21:38 elephant; United Kingdom and their way of "freedom" are another historical peace of a joke second to none

21:38 elephant; piece

21:39 schestowitz[TR2]; nobody is perfect

21:39 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], He said once "I could make a living as a waiter.".

21:39 DaemonFC; O RLY?

21:39 schestowitz[TR2]; he would act tactless imho

21:39 schestowitz[TR2]; and make jokes

21:39 DaemonFC; Let's give him a job at Golden Corral busing tables.

21:39 schestowitz[TR2]; but he could work as many things

21:39 DaemonFC; Yeah, he wouldn't last long.

21:39 schestowitz[TR2]; not for a high salary

21:39 DaemonFC; The low pay, hard work, long hours.

21:39 schestowitz[TR2]; unless he did coding

21:39 DaemonFC; Customers being cheap and not leaving him tips.

21:40 DaemonFC; Then he'd say something and be fired on his first day.

21:40 elephant; schestowitz[TR2]: why not take this to -social or techpol so i can talk about FSF/GNU/Pentagon and their methods?

21:40 DaemonFC; I walked into the "saying things, getting written up" at Walmart a couple times.

21:40 schestowitz[TR2]; I agree

21:40 schestowitz[TR2]; we're open to anything

21:40 schestowitz[TR2]; just in the right channels

21:40 DaemonFC; And it was funnier than hell, what I said, or just something that I said in casual conversation without thinking about.

21:40 DaemonFC; If one person in the room is offended, it doesn't matter if 100 people laugh.

21:40 DaemonFC; You get punished.

21:41 DaemonFC; So you learn to keep your mouth shut. And I don't think RMS would do that.

21:41 schestowitz[TR2]; it dpeends

21:41 DaemonFC; To keep a job where he averages minimum wage or so.

21:41 schestowitz[TR2]; it's aboutboundaries and risk

21:41 schestowitz[TR2]; if you are pooor

21:41 schestowitz[TR2]; or in debt

21:41 schestowitz[TR2]; you tend to not rock the boat

21:42 schestowitz[TR2]; I've worked since age 14 or 15

21:42 DaemonFC; Pretty much. One thing they impress on you in probation is that you shouldn't have any police contact or you can end up back in court.

21:42 schestowitz[TR2]; 14 if you count babisitting

21:42 schestowitz[TR2]; I might leave my job by year's end

21:42 DaemonFC; The last place you want to be is back in court, so you learn never to talk to the police, even if you're the victim of crime.

21:42 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22070926

21:42 schestowitz[TR2]; but rising living costs are a problem now

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21:42 DaemonFC; "Just let it go. Remember what they did to you last time?"

21:43 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: not the boot on the neck is heavier

21:43 schestowitz[TR2]; with inflation

21:43 schestowitz[TR2]; people barely find jobs

21:43 schestowitz[TR2]; or make ends meet

21:43 schestowitz[TR2]; 10 hours a week is not a job per se

21:43 schestowitz[TR2]; yoiu cannot live on that

21:43 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a token "job"

21:43 schestowitz[TR2]; to game the statictics

21:43 DaemonFC; You make some money and then your landlord comes and takes it.

21:43 MinceR; depends on how much they pat :>

21:43 MinceR; s/pat/pay/

21:43 DaemonFC; Or the government.

21:43 DaemonFC; Or both.

21:43 DaemonFC; They're actually talking about taxing us for not having kids now.

21:43 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: less relative to the expenses

21:44 schestowitz[TR2]; unless you got a 10% pay rise tis year

21:44 DaemonFC; Like, "You're going to pay whether you have some or not.".

21:44 DaemonFC; The tax for not having kids was something the Soviet Union did.

21:44 schestowitz[TR2]; financial benefits of kids are massisvely outweighed by costs

21:44 schestowitz[TR2]; sure, you can share a roof with them

21:45 schestowitz[TR2]; but they still have many expenses

21:45 schestowitz[TR2]; that scale linearly

21:45 schestowitz[TR2]; spouse working is better as it lowers relative household tax on income

21:45 DaemonFC; https://money.cnn.com/2014/04/07/pf/taxes/childless-parents-taxes/index.html

21:45 TR Bot; Should people without kids pay higher taxes?

21:45 DaemonFC; The government already spends about $100 billion just through the IRS propping people with kids up at everyone else's expense.

21:45 TR News; Wow, clickfraud spamnil sure is promoting proprietary garbage today

21:46 DaemonFC; Now they want an additional line item that punishes me as well.

21:46 MinceR; Should people who suggest that people without kids should pay higher taxes pay higher taxes?

21:46 DaemonFC; That $100 billion doesn't even include all the welfare they get.

21:46 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: maybe billG can subsidise the kids' FGM and penis-cutting

21:46 schestowitz[TR2]; since they love kids so much

21:47 DaemonFC; Bill donates $20 BILLion to genital mutilating foundation.

21:47 DaemonFC; "I don't want to die with all this money when there's still tiny dicks to cut and tiny arms for COVID shots to go into!" said Uncle Bill.

21:48 TR News; When it is Windows CISA does not even name Windows or Microsoft. This is selective attention. https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/18/cisa-updates-advisory-cyber-actors-continued-exploitation

21:48 TR Bot; CISA Updates Advisory on Cyber Actors Continued Exploitation of Log4Shell in VMware Horizon Systems | CISA

21:48 DaemonFC; He went after Africans and told them if they got circumcised there would be "no risk" of getting HIV.

21:48 TR News; xkcd: Capri Suns https://xkcd.com/2647/ Source: xkcd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//xkcd.com/2647/

21:48 TR Bot; Capri Suns

21:48 DaemonFC; Everyone I know with HIV is circumcised.

21:50 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], What's just as bad as Stallman arguing for inflationary policies, is that the article he links to calls on state governments to hire back over 350,000 government "workers" they got rid of.

21:50 DaemonFC; I haven't noticed any changes in my life from having less government workers eating up my tax dollars.

21:51 schestowitz[TR2]; if theya re not employed

21:51 schestowitz[TR2]; are you better off?

21:51 schestowitz[TR2]; many people who are broke resort to petty crime

21:51 DaemonFC; I read an article about a woman who worked for the Illinois stage government that did nothing all day except shop on Amazon and use the office printer to print her receipts.

21:51 DaemonFC; *state

21:52 DaemonFC; I read that this isn't even unusual.

21:52 schestowitz[TR2]; happens in private sector

21:52 schestowitz[TR2]; 0I saw it

21:52 DaemonFC; In another case, a Township paid $85,000 to one of the Board's relatives to come shovel a small parking lot that winter that the Township Board members parked at.

21:52 schestowitz[TR2]; that article mioght be by oligarchs-0owned medioa

21:53 schestowitz[TR2]; the "small gov." bs

21:53 DaemonFC; You can get on an app and arrange to have the lot parked for about $60 each time it snows that winter, which would have cost them less than $1,000.

21:53 DaemonFC; *lot shoveled

21:53 DaemonFC; Government has no incentive to preserve tax money when they can just dole it out to themselves, their family members, their criminal friends, the crooked unions, and take more of your money.

21:54 TR News; Never rely on Gulag https://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2022/07/follow-up-some-recent-troubles-with.html

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21:54 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], State of ILL always wants more.

21:54 DaemonFC; They're like the church as carlin described it, except you can't tell them fuck off or they'll put you in jail.

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21:56 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: because you are on their gris

21:56 schestowitz[TR2]; water, power

21:56 MinceR; short bus special

21:56 schestowitz[TR2]; if you live in the foirest, they will leave you alone

21:56 schestowitz[TR2]; but you will likely need them

21:56 schestowitz[TR2]; mediiiiicine, heat...

21:56 schestowitz[TR2]; esp. in IL

21:56 schestowitz[TR2]; or you get ILL

21:56 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Rocky Linux 9.0 and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z2Y4jQ-eTjY

21:56 TR Bot; Rocky Linux 9.0 overview | Enterprise Linux, the community way. - Invidious

21:57 elephant; anyway, GNU/FSF with their freedom marketing scam do this: they source development manpower for IBM Wintel Pentagon USA, for 0Cash in return payed

21:57 schestowitz[TR2]; I use their sw free of charge

21:57 elephant; and those developoer who prove to be sufficiently corrupt may end up on the payroll of Pentagon USA to serve their military industrial complex

21:57 MinceR; does that waffle thing even work with invidious?

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21:57 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: partly

21:58 DaemonFC; <schestowitz[TR2]> mediiiiicine, heat...

21:58 elephant; schestowitz[TR2]: then you are supporting Nazism? aren't you?

21:58 schestowitz[TR2]; you have to press another link in there

21:58 schestowitz[TR2]; let me fix this, MinceR

21:58 DaemonFC; It took them 1 year to process my Medicaid paperwork.

21:58 schestowitz[TR2]; there is a proper youtube url for gemini

21:58 schestowitz[TR2]; that lets you download

21:58 *schestowitz[TR2] codes a little

21:58 DaemonFC; When I went in there, the state worker told me it was taking so long because I should vote for a Democrat.

21:58 DaemonFC; Then they went in another room to vote on whether or not they'd strike and close down the office.

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21:59 DaemonFC; It's illegal for a state worker to tell you how to vote or pass out election materials in a public office, but they did.

10 PM, July 18

22:00 DaemonFC; Then they went and held a strike vote to see if they'd just close down and leave everyone who needed food and medical care stranded outside the building until someone paid them even more to come to work in their Naruto pajamas.

22:02 schestowitz[TR2]; base url gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/

22:10 DaemonFC; https://www.reddit.com/r/bipolar/comments/w1hpve/halfway_house_for_mental_health_uk/

22:10 TR Bot; Halfway house for mental health uk : bipolar

22:10 DaemonFC; The mental health inpatient units in the US are not "like being in jail.".

22:11 DaemonFC; If you're in jail, you're in a walk in closet with a metal bed with barely a mattress over it, with a toilet slash drinking fountain, and the door only opens up for about an hour or two a day so you can shower and get a meal and then go back in.

22:11 DaemonFC; Although the mental health inpatient units are pretty scary.

22:12 DaemonFC; They put you in a double room with whoever else is in there with you. Luckily, whatever was going on with my roommate, they put so much antipsychotic medication in him that I don't even recall him waking up much for two weeks.

22:13 DaemonFC; I say luckily because whatever he did where they responded like that must have been bad.

22:14 DaemonFC; It's my experience that the staff doesn't typically do something like that.

22:15 DaemonFC; The only way you're not free to leave is if you've told them you're suicidal, which triggers a mandatory 72 hour "observation period" under the law. So unfortunately, in the winter time, a lot of people say they're suicidal so they have a warm room to sleep in with a shower and some food.

22:15 DaemonFC; It's not prison food. It's just whatever the hospital is feeding all of its other patients.

22:16 DaemonFC; Typically, their goal is to keep you there as shortly as possible and get your medication adjusted, and then they let you go.

22:17 DaemonFC; I don't know how the "halfway house" system works in the UK, but I've seen mental illness halfway houses in the US, though I've never been staying in one. They don't look too much different than what's on Reddit.

22:17 DaemonFC; I think that it's where the inpatient centers release you to if you're homeless.

22:18 AdmFubar; depending on the hospital it can be some pretty bad food

22:18 DaemonFC; All of this is Indiana. I hear they treated mental patients worse before the 1980s in the US. Most states had state mental health hospitals, and no matter what was going on with you, you'd end up there for months, and there were serious mistreatment scandals.

22:19 DaemonFC; They still had one in Richmond, Indiana in the 90s. They sent my aunt there a couple of times.

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22:19 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22070915

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22:21 schestowitz[TR2]; seems to work, MinceR

22:21 schestowitz[TR2]; pushing to git

22:21 MinceR; :)

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22:24 DaemonFC; <AdmFubar> depending on the hospital it can be some pretty bad food

22:24 DaemonFC; Parkview's isn't bad.

22:25 DaemonFC; They actually have a restaurant in the hospital at Parkview North although their cafeteria at Randalia isn't bad either.

22:25 DaemonFC; We didn't have to buy groceries for a year and a half because it was so cheap to eat there. John worked there, so they gave us half off.

22:26 DaemonFC; So I straight up lived on hospital food for 18 months or so.

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22:27 DaemonFC; They didn't pay him very much money, but it turned out that the 50% off at the restaurant in the hospital was worth a lot all by itself. We would have had to spend hundreds more at the grocery store trying to buy that much food.

22:27 TR News; Rocky Linux 9.0 overview | Enterprise Linux, the community way. - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z2Y4jQ-eTjY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/z2Y4jQ-eTjY

22:27 TR Bot; Rocky Linux 9.0 overview | Enterprise Linux, the community way. - Invidious

22:27 TR News; PopOS is SPECIAL, and Im moving to it, heres why! - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=Cs4QRBm0C_8 | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/Cs4QRBm0C_8

22:27 TR Bot; PopOS is SPECIAL, and I'm moving to it, here's why! - Invidious

22:27 DaemonFC; I never had very high electric bills.

22:28 DaemonFC; I don't like heat in the winter anyway and I wasn't cooking anything because I ate breakfast at the hospital and then dinner when I went to pick John up.

22:28 DaemonFC; So I wasn't cooking anything at home.

22:28 DaemonFC; In fact, I even unplugged the fridge and propped it open.

22:28 DaemonFC; In the winter one year, I think my electric bill was like $19, and $8 of that was just to keep it turned on!

22:30 DaemonFC; Where the electric really kills me is in the summer here. It turns into a swamp in the basement and I've always got the air conditioner or the dehumidifier running. I turn the AC off at night and turn the dehumidifier on, and there's a bucket of water waiting for me by morning when I turn that off and the AC back on.

22:30 DaemonFC; I had my highest monthly bill in a while this month. $97.

22:30 DaemonFC; It spent winter averaging about $35-40.

22:31 TR News; GM is in very serious financial trouble and thinks that the solution is to force every new Buick and GMC owner into a $1500 three year OnStar subscription - BaronHKs Rants Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/gm-is-in-very-serious-financial-trouble-and-thinks-that-the-solution-is-to-force-every-new-buick-and-gmc-owner-into-a-1500-three-year-onstar-subscription/

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22:31 elephant; valve steam: domestic terrorism groupware

22:31 elephant; this is what was missing, to push free software

22:32 elephant; scroll some ads, get connected

22:32 schestowitz[TR2]; domestic terrorism groupware?

22:32 MinceR; sounds edgy and exciting

22:32 elephant; a documentary on tv, terrorists socializing with each other on valve steam

22:32 elephant; trillions of shitcoins invested into

22:32 TR News; [PATCH] x86/speculation: Add BHI_DIS support - Daniel Sneddon https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220714195236.9311-1-daniel.sneddon@linux.intel.com/ Source: linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220714195236.9311-1-daniel.sneddon@linux.intel.com/

22:32 TR Bot; [PATCH] x86/speculation: Add BHI_DIS support - Daniel Sneddon

22:34 elephant; amazing, and linux kernel is bloated with crap to support the latest games

22:34 elephant; brought to you by IBM Wintel Pentagon USA

22:34 elephant; and the banner "free software" on top of it

22:34 TR News; Archcraft 2022.07.18 is out, but uses Discord nd Reddit, so.... https://archcraft.io/

22:34 TR Bot; Archcraft : Home

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22:35 TR News; Ideas from TPRC2022: Bug/Task/Issue independent interface and a cli tool http://blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/07/ideas-from-tprc2022-bugtaskissue-independent-interface-and-a-cli-tool.html Source: perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/dean/2022/07/ideas-from-tprc2022-bugtaskissue-independent-interface-and-a-cli-tool.html

22:35 TR Bot; from TPRC2022: Bug/Task/Issue independent interface and a cli tool | dean [blogs.perl.org]

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22:39 TR News; "For those want to check PC hardware specs in Linux, CPU-X is a good choice for user switching from Microsoft Windows." https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/07/cpu-x-cpu-z-for-linux-desktop/

22:39 TR Bot; CPU-X Gather PC Hardware Specs in Linux with CPU-Z Style User Interface | UbuntuHandbook

22:40 TR News; "First, how does Krita know what files it can import/export as? Well that is easy enough to answer, in a database. Specifically Krita has a class KisMimeDatabase that stores all available file formats Krita supports" https://rojas.run/posts/gsoc-update1/

22:40 TR Bot; Update 1 - rojas.run

22:40 TR News; Status update 18/07/2022 - Sam Thursfield https://samthursfield.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/status-update-18th-july-2022/ Source: samthursfield | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//samthursfield.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/status-update-18th-july-2022/

22:40 TR Bot; Status update 18/07/2022 Sam Thursfield

22:44 TR News; How to install Audacity on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=AVOg3UxMwVQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/AVOg3UxMwVQ

22:44 TR Bot; How to install Audacity on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious

22:45 TR News; "Thinkpads that wont boot Linux by default, retard moves to Microsoft, the Firefox Snap is finally a lot faster, Reddit shows its true colours, KDE Korner, and more." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-186/

22:45 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 186 Late Night Linux

22:46 TR News; The Linux Desktop Wouldnt Exist Without This Group - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=s9VzgWycgcY | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/s9VzgWycgcY

22:46 TR Bot; The Linux Desktop Wouldn't Exist Without This Group - Invidious

22:46 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Russell Crowe has gotten old. Old and really really fat.

22:47 schestowitz[TR2]; good

22:47 DaemonFC; I don't think I'd seen him in anything since Gladiator, which was out in 2000.

22:47 schestowitz[TR2]; let him eat crowe

22:47 DaemonFC; I didn't even recognize him as Zeus in Thor: Love and Thunder.

22:47 schestowitz[TR2]; he also had a violence scandal

22:47 MinceR; lol @ "retard moves to Microsoft"

22:47 schestowitz[TR2]; whatg?

22:47 schestowitz[TR2]; not true?

22:48 bnchs; now that he ruined linux

22:48 bnchs; he moves to microsoft

22:48 bnchs; to probably ruin it as much as he did

22:49 TR News; This is what FSF published INSTEAD of BLASTING Microsoft for 'secure' boot (also: FSF must feel dumb or guilty for giving AWARD to MJG) https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/closing-in-on-fully-free-bioses-with-the-fsf-tech-team

22:49 TR Bot; Closing in on fully free BIOSes with the FSF tech team Free Software Foundation Working together for free software

22:49 MinceR; i just liked the way it was phrased

22:49 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Fedora says it's updated Mesa to fix llvmpipe issues that were crashing kwin 'very badly' and Mutter 'sometimes'.

22:49 MinceR; it's concise and everyone knows what it refers to

22:49 DaemonFC; It's funny, but I don't recall XRENDER crashing.

22:50 MinceR; neither do i

22:50 DaemonFC; I usually set kwin to use it even on drivers that could handle OpenGL okay because it was so much faster (even though some of the effects didn't work).

22:50 TR News; It feels like FSF feels shy or reluctant to blast those whom it should blast the most. Man up. Oh, sorry. Person up!

22:50 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22071427

22:50 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/1xhch6a6c4a91.jpg created on 2022-07-14 09:04:13.678643

22:51 MinceR; Person direction!

22:52 TR News; That's not because of YOU, SFC. Also: you saw the REAL Microsoft the FIRST time around. This is just "damage control". https://sfconservancy.org/news/2022/jul/18/foss-for-sale-in-ms-app-store/

22:52 TR Bot; Permission to Sell FOSS in the Microsoft App Store Restored - Software Freedom Conservancy

22:53 TR News; An LED cube circuit sculpture shield for the UNO Mini LE | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/18/an-led-cube-circuit-sculpture-shield-for-the-uno-mini-le/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/18/an-led-cube-circuit-sculpture-shield-for-the-uno-mini-le/

22:53 TR Bot; An LED cube circuit sculpture shield for the UNO Mini LE | Arduino Blog

22:54 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: person symbol

22:54 schestowitz[TR2]; $noun $noun

22:55 DaemonFC; "Did you know in 1980 cable only cost $8!" Facebook ad.

22:55 DaemonFC; I didn't know that, but I'm not surprised.

22:55 schestowitz[TR2]; "only"?

22:55 bnchs; if pluton is truly uncrackable, then it will be the end of free computing

22:55 schestowitz[TR2]; 42 years ago

22:55 DaemonFC; Probably not many people had cable and they couldn't just say "Here's something that costs an enormous amount of money. Sign up today!"

22:55 schestowitz[TR2]; cumulative inflation

22:55 DaemonFC; They made it cheap and then kept jacking up the price.

22:55 DaemonFC; Like streaming.

22:56 elephant; there isn't any free computing regardless

22:56 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], $8 in 1980 = $30.47 last month according to BLS.

22:56 DaemonFC; If you believe that.

22:57 DaemonFC; No cable TV package cost $30.50 last month.

22:57 DaemonFC; You can't even rent the box for that.

22:57 DaemonFC; :P

22:57 DaemonFC; Who are they even selling this shit to?

22:57 AdmFubar; https://www.alternet.org/2022/07/pathetic-how-cheap-it-is/

22:57 TR Bot; Author laments 'how cheap it is' for oil companies to fund climate opposition - Alternet.org

22:57 DaemonFC; The local movie theater has all the major sports games on the movie screen and you don't have to pay anything to get in.

22:58 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Seems the movie theater is 90% restaurant and about 10% ticket revenue now.

22:58 DaemonFC; That's not the first time I've seen this format.

22:58 DaemonFC; In Fort Wayne, there was a movie theater/restaurant we used to go to.

22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 4.58 average k/sec., average swarm size 0

22:59 DaemonFC; I can't imagine who is paying $20 a ticket to go to the movies.

22:59 DaemonFC; Seems pretty busy on $5 Tuesdays.

22:59 schestowitz[TR2]; we've not gone since before covid-19

22:59 phanes; nice i just bought 87 million shiba inu coins

11 PM, July 18

23:00 schestowitz[TR2]; rianne will leave manchester this month for firfst time since 202220

23:00 schestowitz[TR2]; 2020

23:00 AdmFubar; I was about to say... damn can she time travel

23:00 schestowitz[TR2]; phanes: I bought 3 trillion roycoin

23:01 phanes; that shits going to hit over a penny in a few years

23:01 AdmFubar; or the fan

23:02 schestowitz[TR2]; so you pumped real money into a fantasy

23:04 phanes; its easier to take risks when you have money

23:05 phanes; i plan on quadrupling that stake over the next six mo

23:05 schestowitz[TR2]; and then you have less money

23:06 TR News; GstVA H.264 encoder, compositor and JPEG decoder Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167387

23:06 phanes; when i hit 4M im retiring

23:07 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167388

23:07 TR Bot; GstVA H.264 encoder, compositor and JPEG decoder | Tux Machines

23:07 TR News; Rocky Linux / Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167389

23:07 elephant; "if the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?" A.Chigurgh

23:07 TR News; PopOS Video and Review Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167390

23:08 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

23:08 TR Bot; Rocky Linux / Fedora / Red Hat / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines

23:08 britney; i use arch btw

23:08 elephant; strange somehow, the cruelty, in this movie, nonetheless, the landscape and atmosphere, in Texas 1980

23:08 elephant; it's almost a place, of destinity and freedom

23:09 phanes; id prob use the free time and cash flow from the interest to hire a few undergrads to finally build out the rest of surro

23:09 elephant; as was said in the opening: "you have to say, ok. i want to be part of this world."

23:09 TR Bot; PopOS Video and Review | Tux Machines

23:10 elephant; after the sherrif explained, the "old-timers" didn't carry any guns, "hard to believe"

23:10 phanes; so whats the deal is elephant a bot or something

23:10 TR News; Forecast now says 41 degrees tomorrow in Manchester. That would be an all-time record, but other forecasts do not agree.

23:11 elephant; i'm just wondering, where that is, Texas Instruments

23:11 elephant; who ship TTL7400 series chips, for 50 years now

23:11 elephant; until schestowitz[TR2] and DaemonFC, the bots, interrupted

23:12 MinceR; https://files.catbox.moe/uh2gre.jpg

23:12 TR Bot; connect to files.catbox.moe:443; Network is unreachable ( status 0 @ https://files.catbox.moe/uh2gre.jpg )

23:12 TR News; other sources say 36 degrees tomorrow, same as today (still very exceptionally hot) gemini://auragem.space/weather/imperial/location?manchester%2C%20uk gemini://caolan.uk/cgi-bin/weather.py/wxfcs/352509

23:12 phanes; how do i mute the bot in irssi?

23:13 MinceR; with /ignore

23:13 MinceR; (see /help ignore)

23:13 phanes; elephant: you done bein a bot?

23:13 elephant; phanes: simply see the scrollback, who bots are

23:13 elephant; to name two of them, schestowitz[TR2] and DaemonFC

23:14 DaemonFC; Yeah, if you put $1,000 in Bitcoin the day of Matt Damon's Super Bowl ad you'd have like $290 now.

23:14 DaemonFC; Something like that.

23:14 MinceR;

23:14 TR News; Cutelyst v3.5 relicensed as BSD-3-Clause - Danttis Blog https://dantti.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/cutelyst-v3-5-relicensed-as-bsd-3-clause/ Source: dantti | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//dantti.wordpress.com/2022/07/18/cutelyst-v3-5-relicensed-as-bsd-3-clause/

23:14 TR Bot; Cutelyst v3.5 relicensed as BSD-3-Clause Dantti's Blog

23:14 phanes; i hadd $100 in BTC in 2007

23:15 britney; <elephant> to name two of them, schestowitz[TR2] and DaemonFC <--- XD

23:15 phanes; i was physically sick in 2016 when i checked the price and went tearing through my old archives looking for the crypto wallet to find i had sold that position because i didnt think btc would go anywhere and i was hungry that night

23:15 DaemonFC; Wasn't that two years before they existed?

23:16 DaemonFC; I doubt Bitcoin will just "go away" but reality has definitely set in.

23:16 phanes; it wasnt 2007. it was 2012.

23:16 elephant; same boring story again: "dumped a dollor into shit, now shit is worth 100 times more shit, can't find my shit, sold that shit"

23:16 elephant; shit

23:17 DaemonFC; Now the shit has gone to shit.

23:17 TR News; Preprocessing for improving the quality of the output https://quochungtran.github.io/junk/2022/07/14/week3-4.html

23:17 TR Bot; <Weeks 3,4> Preprocessing for improving the quality of the output | My Journey at google summer of Code 2022

23:17 DaemonFC; Oh shit.

23:17 phanes; i think shiba will explode

23:17 DaemonFC; I doubt Bitcoin will ever see those prices again.

23:18 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe they can recycle the brand

23:19 schestowitz[TR2]; and sell bitcoin(r) laptops

23:19 schestowitz[TR2]; like microsoft did with surface(tm)

23:19 AdmFubar; they will see those numbers again...... just with minuses in front of them...

23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; not to justify banksters and central banksters, but..

23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; the regimes get what they want usually

23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; if they fail at first, they start bombiing

23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; china banned all the fakecoins

23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; and other countries followed

23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; except el salvador

23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; the world's bank ;_)

23:21 schestowitz[TR2]; if thse don't collapse on their own, the media will berate and malign them

23:21 schestowitz[TR2]; and then, if all else fails, there will be bans

23:22 TR News; "I didn't get what this was until I looked at the picture. In England, that would be called Yorkshire pudding, and it's a savoury thing that you serve with a roast dinner. You'd normally make it in a baking tray instead of a pan with a handle, which might save burns." gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2022-07-18_Re__The_Dutch_Baby_Incident.gmi

23:24 TR News; "Our hedgehog, Kino, was initially quite scared of us. He has grown more friendly and curious in recent months, but he still does not like to be touched. We take hin outside using a fabric bag called a "snuggle sack", and a few nights ago he emerged from the sack into the darkness of the backyard." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202207/20220718-2022-week-26-27-28-photos.gmi

23:27 elephant; anyway, back to the freedom scam sold by GNU/FSF

23:27 elephant; how could anyone of them with a straight face say it's "free"

23:29 schestowitz[TR2]; frie

23:30 elephant; GNU/FSF, their #1 project, GCC, targets specific vendors

23:30 elephant; those vendors, ship products, which the Verilog/HDL are withheld for

23:30 elephant; yet, FSF says it's "free"

23:31 elephant; it's endorsed, or "RYF" certified, with "permissive license"

23:31 TR News; 'My troubles begin after I get a good harvest' https://ruralindiaonline.org/en/articles/my-troubles-begin-after-i-get-a-good-harvest/ Source: ruralindiaonline | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ruralindiaonline.org/en/articles/my-troubles-begin-after-i-get-a-good-harvest/

23:31 TR Bot; 'My troubles begin after I get a good harvest'

23:33 TR News; "This results in a queue of thoughts, many of which never get published. The technologist in me wants to find a way to automate this." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/writing-and-waiting/

23:33 TR Bot; Writing and Waiting - Jim Nielsens Blog

23:33 elephant; it's not like there wasn't any alternative, yet GNU/FSF got their own vision of what's supposed to be "free"

23:33 schestowitz[TR2]; FSF focuses or focused on unix but gpol

23:33 schestowitz[TR2]; now mostly gpl

23:33 schestowitz[TR2]; even if not unixy

23:34 TR News; Punching above our state: foreign missions abound, but wheres the agency for taxpayers? - Michael West https://michaelwest.com.au/punching-above-our-state-foreign-missions-abound-but-wheres-the-agency-for-taxpayers/ Source: michaelwest

23:34 TR Bot; Punching above our state: foreign missions abound, but where's the agency for taxpayers? - Michael West

23:36 TR News; "With new version 9.0 Rocky Linux joins the list of ppc64le-compatible CentOS clone" http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167237#comment-34384

23:36 TR Bot; Rocky Linux 9 Officially Released with GNOME 40 Desktop, Improved Security | Tux Machines

23:36 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167391

23:36 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

23:38 elephant; nonetheless, it isn't free as in free, whatever GNU/FSF focused on

23:42 elephant; in fact, GCC nowadays, is a hindrance to free software

23:45 elephant; "free software", made in usa, what have we got instead... llvm to compile GPU shaders for video games, to entertain home-grown terrorists with video games

23:47 schestowitz[TR2]; kde made in germany, has ame isues

23:47 elephant; and "web browsers" i call those malware execution environments

23:47 elephant; i wiped all kde/gtk/x11 all of this, while ago already, not worth any discussion anymore

23:48 TR News; Leftovers: Free, Libre, and Open Source Software Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167392

23:48 TR Bot; Leftovers: Free, Libre, and Open Source Software | Tux Machines

23:48 TR News; KDE and GNOME Development Work Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167393

23:48 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167394

23:48 elephant; ^it's all poisoned

23:48 TR Bot; KDE and GNOME Development Work | Tux Machines

23:48 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

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23:49 elephant; somewhat ironic, according to wikipedia, it was UN who funded parts of this, harfbuzz/graphite unicode font rendering

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23:49 elephant; and i mean, if the technical crap wiped removed most of their ideological bull with it, sadly not

23:50 TR News; Links 18/07/2022: Archcraft July 2022 Release and Cutelyst Relicensed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/18/cutelyst-relicensed/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/18/cutelyst-relicensed/

23:50 TR Bot; Links 18/07/2022: Archcraft July 2022 Release and Cutelyst Relicensed | Techrights

23:50 elephant; so, may they wreck the entire tech industry, i don't give a whatever about this

23:50 britney; a big problem with KDE is that its mainly C++

23:50 britney; C++ is trash

23:50 elephant; the compilers are

23:51 elephant; but hey, "save the planet", and climate and this and that

23:51 elephant; they're still proud of this, the mountain of shit they produced

23:52 britney; https://imgur.com/a/C3bEdEt

23:52 TR Bot; The magic of the Internet

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23:52 britney; I love that meme I just linked

23:52 elephant; the "free" web browser i got cannot render any imgur images

23:53 britney; elephant, what trash browser is that?

23:53 elephant; and i am not willing to install any of the "free" malware

23:53 elephant; several: lynx, links, w3m

23:53 phanes; is C++ trash or do you struggle with OOP paradigms

23:53 elephant; i programmed with many OOP languages, mostly java, little c++ only, it's not OOP

23:53 britney; phanes, this sums it up: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/

23:54 TR Bot; C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs!

23:54 britney; also: http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/

23:54 TR Bot; Object Oriented Programming is Inherently Harmful

23:54 britney; cat-v are unix geniuses

23:54 phanes; all i see here are snarky quotes

23:55 britney; they do have links to articles too

23:55 britney; i've been teaching myself to code in Golang and one of the best things is not having to use gcc

23:56 phanes; in any case, yes, C++ is absolutely OOP, you should stop listening to whoever told you that

23:56 phanes; because it sounds like whoever it was doesnt know oop or c++

23:56 elephant; to be fair with GNU in this case, it wasn't them who invented c++, it was AT&T/Bell Labs

23:57 phanes; c++ deserves criticism for its runaway language standards though

23:58 elephant; c++ exactly what? the standards? the language features? or their implementation and compilers?

23:58 elephant; i'll not invest any minute of my time into any of it

23:59 britney; elephant, https://i.imgur.com/vxSNI3k.jpg <-- might work

23:59 phanes; a little bit of all 3 but my biggest grievance with is is the breadth of features and syntax tumors, they would do well to gut about 3/4 of it out and call it c++-light or something

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