IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, March 31, 2022

beginning of new day, March 31

00:02 activelow; i see, they are incestious associated with each other: KPMG, IBM, Atlantik Brcke, RAND Corp., Washington

00:03 activelow; it is important, any business entity or political party, it is all shallow labels, a camouflage of the real entities involved behind the scenes

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00:03 activelow; the entire "eco activist" movements, are agent provocateurs, false flag operatives, indoctrinated with propaganda lies

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00:04 activelow; one favorite, is the "climate change" one, which they argue 1.5C maximum temperature increase, while temperature anomalies surpassed 10C already in Germany

00:05 activelow; so, they hijacked this, knowing, they couldn't hide the truth anymore, and talke about 1.5C... just an example, of the psycho fuckery of theirs

00:05 activelow; same with the "carbon certificates", to funnel cash to Tesla shareholders, it's all propaganda scam

00:06 activelow; with the aim of land grabbing, power grabbing, looting... as they did in east-germany for example, and then tried to proceed into White-Russia and Ukraine

00:07 activelow; to accomplish this, entire military capabilities were dismantled, in east-germany, all University CEOs replaced, scientific staff oppressed

00:07 activelow; semiconductor manufacturing destroyed, which was a knee-jerk to say the least, just a side-note

00:07 DaemonFC; <activelow> so, they hijacked this, knowing, they couldn't hide the truth anymore, and talke about 1.5C... just an example, of the psycho fuckery of theirs

00:08 DaemonFC; Temperatures in parts of Antarctica are 70 F above normal.

00:08 DaemonFC; The billionaire news is saying it's a great time to vacation there.

00:08 MinceR; they should all go there, then

00:08 MinceR; and not come back

00:10 DaemonFC; MinceR, They always find a way to make the horrible shit they do sound pleasant.

00:10 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22032330

00:10 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/mx0g3ual32o81.png created on 2022-03-23 12:58:29.648236

00:11 DaemonFC; And they make their victims sound like pests and vermin. Like how mjg59_'s mayor calls homeless "Difficult Street People".

00:11 psydruid; selling out to US interests was a precondition for West Germany and East Germany to be reunited?

00:11 DaemonFC; Very SJW-ish, you know.

00:11 activelow; psydruid: germany never had been re-united

00:11 DaemonFC; The cops beat them up. They're barely human. "Difficult Street People"

00:12 DaemonFC; Take a shit on the floor. Get Schwifty in San Francisco.

00:12 DaemonFC; And all that.

00:12 MinceR; just a hybrid of streets and people

00:12 DaemonFC; These rich assholes move in and gentrify a place and they completely level everything that was there. Suck the charm and uniqueness entirely out of it.

00:13 DaemonFC; Then laugh about the $6,000 a month rents.

00:13 psydruid; activelow, what exactly happened then? former East Germany became West Germany losing its entire identity?

00:14 DaemonFC; Most of them are just a bunch of buggering hipsters who never plan to have heirs and so they don't care if it's ruined years from now to the point where it will never be okay again.

00:14 psydruid; I've only been to Berlin in the east

00:14 DaemonFC; People there "get it".

00:14 activelow; psydruid: land and power grab, to loot and plunder

00:15 DaemonFC; They obviously want Waukegan now. Noboy gave two shits and a fuck about the coal plant belching out pollution on black people for 70 years.

00:15 DaemonFC; But now that the Mr. GOOOOOOOLAGs want MOAR real estate, they have to shut it down.

00:15 activelow; to remain fair, i appreciate buildings were re-constructed, and investments into infrastructure; nonetheless they did it to benefit themselves

00:15 DaemonFC; So probably within the next 5-10 years.

00:16 DaemonFC; They'll get it.

00:16 activelow; which is one explanation, why _many_ investments ended as money graveyard in east germany

00:16 DaemonFC; Then it will be as expensive as the rest of Lake County.

00:17 DaemonFC; Nobody gave a shit about the ethylene oxide or the coal plants or the PCBs until the Mr. GOOLAGs said that's a nice city you got there.

00:17 DaemonFC; Be a shame if someone chased you out and made the rent $6,000.

00:18 DaemonFC; https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnns-new-streaming-service-already-headed-layoffs-amid-lackluster-sales

00:18 TR Bot; New Streaming Service Already Headed For Layoffs Amid Dismal Sales | ZeroHedge

00:19 DaemonFC; CNN.....rapists, chomos, and Democrats.... It's the same thing really. Now with an entire section of Amazon products.

00:19 psydruid; so with all the money Germany has why doesn't it restart its independent technological development instead of being desperate to attract Intel?

00:20 psydruid; I've read about Magdeburg, but why is Intel needed there?

00:20 activelow; psydruid: i couldn't at least afford to rent an appropriate flat and some office space

00:21 activelow; as far as i am concerned, i am wondering why Intel is greeted friendly, instead of with tanks and strela rockets

00:21 DaemonFC; CNN is actually so cold that they're doing the whole Ukraine disaster porn thing and then cutting away to an Applebee's commercial with people dancing and singing about shitty Applebee's food while the ticker talks about people starving in Ukraine.

00:21 activelow; oh wait, those strela rockets were shipped to Ukraine

00:22 DaemonFC; "The network has been working on the launch since the summer of 2021 and has invested nearly $100 million in the venture. CNN owner WarnerMedia is asking viewers to fork over $5.99 a month for the service."

00:22 DaemonFC; $6 to watch CNN? LOL

00:23 DaemonFC; "As of May 2021, the median age of a CNN viewer was 64 (which is still lower than the average age for Fox, at 68). "

00:23 psydruid; lol

00:23 DaemonFC; In other words, the people who haven't pulled the plug on cable yet and are statistically going to die in about 5-6 years.

00:23 psydruid; dying "news" networks

00:23 DaemonFC; CNN was good in the 90s.

00:23 DaemonFC; They were an okay network for most of the 2000s.

00:24 DaemonFC; Now it's a bunch of pedophiles and rapists giving each other blowjobs in front of......64 year old viewers who care what those people have to say about a guy who isn't even the president anymore.

00:25 DaemonFC; https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/shanghai-residents-struggle-obtain-food-medicine-citywide-lockdown-continues

00:25 TR Bot; Residents Struggle To Obtain Food & Medicine As Citywide Lockdown Continues | ZeroHedge

00:25 DaemonFC; China is killing itself with the lockdowns.

00:26 DaemonFC; I wonder how long this will go on before CEOs that outsourced there admit it was a lousy idea in the long run really.

00:26 DaemonFC; "Lin Mei, a local resident living in Shanghais Pudong district who asked to use a pseudonym, told The Epoch Times on March 28 that the lockdown came as a surprise, and said the citys authorities should have warned them ahead of time so they could stock up.

00:26 DaemonFC; Lin, who is nearly 60 years old, said local authorities should be considerate to seniors like her, since many of them need nonstop medical attention. As for her, she said she has been suffering from kidney stone pain for over 10 years.

00:26 DaemonFC; Last week, my kidney stone disease acted up again. I wanted to go see urologists at major hospitals but their services were suspended, she said. I went to a small clinic but the doctors prescription drugs were not powerful enough to subdue my pain.

00:26 DaemonFC; So the pain persisted and I ended up having a fever, Lin said, before adding that all she could do now was drink plenty of water since she couldnt go out."

00:27 DaemonFC; That's what you get with Communism.

00:27 DaemonFC; If I had kidney stones I could see a doctor about it probably next week and we'd be going into surgery if it came to that in 2-3 weeks.

00:27 DaemonFC; In places like Ireland and Canada, you're waiting many months, sometimes years.

00:28 DaemonFC; People from there come here and talk about how shitty it actually is where they're from. Like there's a system, but it's so backlogged and under-funded that they'll just get to you if you're still alive when it's your turn.

00:28 DaemonFC; In the mean time, enjoy the kidney stones all year.

00:29 activelow; almost all "solar panels", subsidized with trillions in germany, are made in china... with coal and nuclear power plants required; just recently 10 new coal power plants in china, meanwhile in germany the solar panels produced in China supposedly "safe the planet", "the climate", "humanity" and whatnot

00:30 activelow; same with the wind turbines, each produced from a dozen ton of steel, require nuclear and coal power plants nearby, to produce them, the wind mills, which are "renewable energy" they say

00:32 activelow; if any of such wind turbines is placed into an ecological forest region, the region in question isn't a natural reserve anymore, the surrounding region of wind turbines is designated as "industrial" area then, with permissions to construct buildings etc.

00:33 activelow; housing to provide "alliance90/greens" with their ecological living space, which is land-grabbing

00:35 activelow; and now, they order ballistic missiles from Israel, you see, Abrams Tanks from USA, Intel fabs in east-germany

00:35 activelow; Elon Musk with his Tesla Factory in Berlin... new railway stations were planned and constructed long before Elon announced his new Giga-Factory in Berlin

00:38 activelow; the recent "special emergency budget", 100billion, used to acquire F-35 and located exactly where?

00:38 activelow; probably Ramstein Airbase, which i wonder it wasn't closed yet, after 1990 and aggressions of USA around the globe

00:43 psydruid; the Chinese replace their power plants every few years based on the latest r&d instead of keeping them going for decades

00:50 DaemonFC; There's basically no laws to protect the environment in China.

00:51 DaemonFC; The air quality in the cities is horrible. The Communists do what they do everywhere and fix it by lying.

00:51 MinceR; in hungary, such laws probably exist, but they're ignored by the state whenever orban or his pals violate them

00:51 DaemonFC; The US embassy in Beijing monitors air quality and posts it on the embassy website. The Chinese firewall blocks it so nobody living there can see what they breathe.

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00:52 DaemonFC; The Communists have never disputed the US embassy's readings. They just block them at the firewall level.

00:53 MinceR; :>

00:53 MinceR; typical authoritarian attitude

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00:55 DaemonFC; https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3138646/us-embassy-beijing-turns-attention-ozone-levels-more-decade

00:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: scmp.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3138646/us-embassy-beijing-turns-attention-ozone-levels-more-decade

00:55 TR Bot; US embassy in Beijing turns attention to ozone levels more than a decade after pollution updates spurred authorities into action | South China Morning Post

00:56 DaemonFC; MinceR, "Sandstorm" is what they call it when someone pictures how bad the smog is that day.

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00:57 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6120QOlsfU

00:57 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=y6120QOlsfU

00:57 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Darude - Sandstorm - Invidious

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00:57 DaemonFC; https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2021/06/25/b7c5fbfa-d4e2-11eb-8921-c363d46ef7af_1320x770_062050.jpg

00:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: i-scmp.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2021/06/25/b7c5fbfa-d4e2-11eb-8921-c363d46ef7af_1320x770_062050.jpg

00:58 DaemonFC; MinceR, "Could you imagine if every Chinese person should get a car?" -Fidel Castro

00:58 DaemonFC; Most of them don't have one now and it looks this bad.

00:58 MinceR; they'll never be able to afford one

00:58 MinceR; not even a red chinese "car"

00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.03 k/sec., IPFS upstream 84.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 469.88

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00:59 DaemonFC; No, the government is too busy building empty cities that fall apart with nobody to live there or maintain them.

00:59 DaemonFC; State-mandated GDP, MinceR

00:59 DaemonFC; Full employmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeent!

00:59 MinceR; lol

1 AM, March 31

01:00 DaemonFC; To infinity, and beyond!

01:00 DaemonFC; 11% MinceR 11%!

01:00 DaemonFC; If we build pretend shopping malls, I think we can do it.

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01:01 DaemonFC; Then of course there will be nothing to buy there, and all the apartments will be empty, and nobody to use the roads.

01:01 MinceR; finally, a place for pretend shopping

01:01 DaemonFC; But it's a big country. We'll just start over somewhere else and let all this fall apart and then come back and build it again.

01:02 DaemonFC; <MinceR> finally, a place for pretend shopping

01:03 DaemonFC; There's the pretend Apple store.

01:03 kingoffrance; yeah thats why 'to the moon' is so funny.....wallstreetbets. thats pretty much how 'the system' operates, no need to 'rebel'

01:03 DaemonFC; I'll be over there pretending to buy some Nike shoes if you need me for anything.

01:03 DaemonFC; Then we can go eat imaginary cheese pretzels in the imaginary food court.

01:03 MinceR; :>

01:03 DaemonFC; I was thinking about catching an imaginary movie at the imagination theater later.

01:04 DaemonFC; Do you imagine there's anything they haven't censored?

01:04 psydruid; didn't lots of malls get abandoned?

01:04 DaemonFC; In the United States? Tons of them. But they were real at one point.

01:04 DaemonFC; Shopper preference changed.

01:05 DaemonFC; There's an entire shopping mall in Marion, Indiana, falling apart.

01:05 DaemonFC; It's all closed except the Applebee's, the restrooms, and a discount department store.

01:05 DaemonFC; Marion has turned into Little Chicago.

01:06 DaemonFC; When I lived there, it was safe.

01:06 DaemonFC; Grandma is in a nursing home there, and it's about the only thing in the city that still is nice.

01:06 DaemonFC; A place for people who had money to wait to die.

01:07 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/policy/privacy-shield-redo

01:07 TR Bot; Shield: Whats in the U.S.-EU agreement - Protocol

01:07 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/silenced-no-more-washington-law

01:07 TR Bot; No More Act becomes law in Washington state - Protocol

01:07 DaemonFC; MinceR, I was watching Star Trek: TNG again. There was that episode where everyone who reached 60 was expected to kill themselves.

01:07 MinceR; they could just automatically generate red chinese style movies

01:07 DaemonFC; To spare their children the burden of taking care of them later.

01:08 AdmFubar; oh this is grand!!! https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/apple-meta-customer-data-hack

01:08 MinceR; just render a screen of text saying "Bad people did bad things, but the police apprehended them successfully and they were punished."

01:08 TR Bot; Meta gave customer data in response to fake requests - Protocol

01:08 DaemonFC; <MinceR> just render a screen of text saying "Bad people did bad things, but the police apprehended them successfully and they were punished."

01:08 DaemonFC; Crime-Fiction-Police Procedural

01:08 MinceR; not sure about that

01:09 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/apple-payments-fintech-finance

01:09 TR Bot; is building its own payments tech so it can be less reliant on partners - Protocol

01:09 MinceR; they did this to Fight Club

01:10 DaemonFC; What, seriously?

01:10 DaemonFC; No Tyler Durden blowing up the bank's computers to erase the debt?

01:11 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8s6SkJSK2k

01:11 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=L8s6SkJSK2k

01:11 TR Bot; yewtu.be | "Fight Club" Isn't The Only Movie China Altered - Invidious

01:12 MinceR; (in reality, only Fight Club was said to be altered this way, the others in this video are spoofs)

01:12 MinceR; (...for now)

01:13 TR News; Red Hat Satellite 6.10.4 has been released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163164

01:13 TR Bot; Red Hat Satellite 6.10.4 has been released | Tux Machines

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01:13 TR News; #HowTo Add Accent Colors in Ubuntu 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163165

01:13 TR Bot; How to Add Accent Colors in Ubuntu 22.04 | Tux Machines

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01:14 TR News; Shotcut Video Editor Gets Multi-Threading for All Implicit Video Scaling and Some Video Filters Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163166

01:14 TR Bot; Shotcut Video Editor Gets Multi-Threading for All Implicit Video Scaling and Some Video Filters | Tux Machines

01:14 TR News; Whats KernelCare? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163167

01:14 TR Bot; Whats KernelCare? | Tux Machines

01:15 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163168

01:15 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

01:20 AdmFubar; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ukraine-dismantles-5-disinformation-bot-farms-seizes-10-000-sim-cards/

01:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ukraine-dismantles-5-disinformation-bot-farms-seizes-10-000-sim-cards/

01:20 TR Bot; Ukraine dismantles 5 disinformation bot farms, seizes 10,000 SIM cards

01:35 DaemonFC; https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/30/23001468/google-search-ai-mum-personal-crisis-information

01:35 TR Bot; Google is using AI to better detect searches from people in crisis - The Verge

01:36 DaemonFC; "When viewers watch Fight Club on a popular Chinese streaming platform, most of the film looks exactly as it did when it was released in 1999 except for the apocalyptic ending.

01:36 DaemonFC; Instead of a successful plot to destroy a series of buildings, the Chinese version of the cult classic starring Brad Pitt and Edward Norton ends with a note to viewers saying that the police rapidly figured out the whole plan and arrested all criminals, successfully preventing the bomb from exploding."

01:36 DaemonFC; :/

01:36 DaemonFC; That doesn't sound like the police.

01:36 DaemonFC; There's some people in Nashville who might agree.

01:37 AdmFubar; https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/mar/30/ronin-project-blockchain-cryptocurrency-heist

01:37 TR Bot; Hackers stole over $500m in cryptocurrency in record-making heist, Ronin says | Cryptocurrencies | The Guardian

01:37 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Nashville_bombing

01:37 TR Bot; 2020 Nashville bombing - Wikipedia

01:37 MinceR; it's what red china wants people to think of its police

01:38 DaemonFC; The US too, but most people would never believe it.

01:40 DaemonFC; MinceR, They really don't need to alter movies like that anymore.

01:41 DaemonFC; In 1999 they didn't just hand the script over to the Chinese censors to begin with.

01:41 MinceR; yeah

01:43 DaemonFC; "As for Pitts character, the note says, he was sent to an asylum and later discharged. (Never mind that the character is actually a figment of Nortons characters imagination.)"

01:43 DaemonFC; LMAO

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01:43 DaemonFC; The cops are so good, they managed to arrest the hallucination and send THAT to the asylum.

01:43 MinceR; yeah

01:44 DaemonFC; "The censored ending was discovered recently by fans in China who watched it on a streaming platform owned by Tencent, a giant Chinese entertainment company."

01:44 DaemonFC; Isn't that the one that streams movies they grabbed off of BitTorrent?

01:45 DaemonFC; "This is SUPER wonderful! Everyone gets a happy ending in China! Chuck Palahniuk, the writer whose 1996 novel inspired the film, wrote sarcastically on Twitter. But he also said in an interview with TMZ on Wednesday that the censored ending was closer to the ending of his book, in which the bomb malfunctions and the narrator wakes up in a mental hospital after shooting himself."

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01:46 DaemonFC; Shooting yourself is how the police solve it.

01:46 DaemonFC; In Communist China you know your own guilt is so strong that you get out ahead of them.

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01:48 DaemonFC; https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-entertainment-pirates-idUSPEK19683420070615

01:48 TR Bot; censors "Pirates" for "vilifying Chinese" | Reuters

01:48 DaemonFC; "An early example of such censorship is The Inescapable Snare, a re-edited version of Naked Ambition, a 2003 Hong Kong film about the local sex industry. The mainland version adds a plot twist in which Hong Kong police officers team up with Beijings Ministry of Public Security to crack down on pornography and prostitution."

01:49 DaemonFC; Leaping tall buildings in a single bound. Shutting down the world's oldest profession! It's a bird, it's a plane, no! It's the ...... Beijing Ministry of Public Security?

01:50 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYvrziE4feI

01:50 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EYvrziE4feI

01:50 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Rick And Morty - Keep Summer Safe - Invidious

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01:59 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv2v1csnMyg

01:59 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=fv2v1csnMyg

01:59 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Rick and Morty - Operation Phoenix (All Scenes) - Invidious

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02:41 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-03-30.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-03-30.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)

02:42 AdmFubar; https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/

02:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: washingtonpost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/

02:42 TR Bot; Facebook paid Republican strategy firm to malign TikTok - The Washington Post

02:44 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/zlib_data_bug/

02:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/zlib_data_bug/

02:44 TR Bot; Zlib crash-an-app bug finally squashed, 17 years later The Register

02:46 AdmFubar; asses have been bitten https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-files-lawsuit-to-punish-senders-of-fake-destiny-dmca-notices-220328/

02:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/bungie-files-lawsuit-to-punish-senders-of-fake-destiny-dmca-notices-220328/

02:46 TR Bot; Files Lawsuit to Punish Senders of Fake Destiny DMCA Notices * TorrentFreak

02:52 AdmFubar; https://torrentfreak.com/court-null-routing-is-not-a-practical-anti-piracy-measure-220325/

02:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/court-null-routing-is-not-a-practical-anti-piracy-measure-220325/

02:52 TR Bot; Null-Routing is Not a Practical Anti-Piracy Measure * TorrentFreak

02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 28.98 k/sec., IPFS upstream 64.91 average k/sec., average swarm size 355.00

3 AM, March 31

03:01 activelow; digging inside archives, i see, with various toolchain issues emerging (gcc-4.7 c++), gentoo migrated their portage system to new git repositories

03:02 activelow; and some noteworthy details involved, relevant binutils/gcc in the old archives didn't support aarch64

03:04 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 458304 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39943 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 20 days ago

03:05 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 16 GB TotalOut: 3.4 GB

03:06 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.

03:07 IPFS; QmcKAXzUKRMGp3YdQETGwbF7nS2hNTSzE84u2fb9P3tEDf

03:07 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.

03:07 activelow; at that time... year 2013-2015... things changed: aarch64 support, gcc switched to c++, gentoo migrating to git

03:07 activelow; emergence of C11

03:08 activelow; not sure about llvm/clang, when this became a big deal

03:08 activelow; and i have to dig into archives rather often... to pick up relevant ebuilds and sources

03:09 activelow; if i didn't know, what to look for... at least it's still there

03:11 activelow; it was kernel-4.4 little later which nuked aboriginal linux, de-stabilized some toolchain support for j-core

03:11 activelow; and again, the old archive did contain the last supported kernel version predating 4.4; there was another leap

03:12 activelow; obviously, some business entity had alot of control and influence, over what was done to the free software source trees, of almost everything

03:12 activelow; kernel, toolchain, gentoo itself... and alot of things broke

03:15 activelow; anyway, downgrading binutils, to some almost 10year old version too

03:15 activelow; can't review all of it, yet it seems a safe bet to not rely upon recent "innovation"

03:15 activelow; of the last decade, whenever possible

03:21 AdmFubar; https://publicdomainreview.org/collection/nikola-tesla-in-his-laboratory

03:21 TR Bot; Earthen Messages: Nikola Tesla in his Laboratory (ca. 1899) The Public Domain Review

03:24 *CrystalMath has quit (Quit: Leaving)

03:24 AdmFubar; this is really creepy

03:24 AdmFubar; https://eclecticlight.co/2022/03/27/last-week-on-my-mac-when-visual-look-up-fails/

03:24 TR Bot; Last Week on My Mac: When Visual Look Up fails The Eclectic Light Company

03:27 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/apparently-unwilling-to-learn-from-florida-texass-failures-georgia-moves-forward-with-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/

03:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/28/apparently-unwilling-to-learn-from-florida-texass-failures-georgia-moves-forward-with-unconstitutional-content-moderation-bill/

03:27 TR Bot; Unwilling To Learn From Florida & Texass Failures, Georgia Moves Forward With Unconstitutional Content Moderation Bill | Techdirt

03:33 AdmFubar; https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2022/03/carbon-coated-nickel-enables-fuel-cell-free-precious-metals

03:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cornell.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.cornell.edu/stories/2022/03/carbon-coated-nickel-enables-fuel-cell-free-precious-metals

03:33 TR Bot; Carbon-coated nickel enables fuel cell free of precious metals | Cornell Chronicle

03:35 AdmFubar; help help!! the help files are after me! https://www.techradar.com/news/vidar-spyware-is-now-hidden-in-microsoft-help-files

03:35 TR Bot; spyware is now hidden in Microsoft help files | TechRadar

03:37 activelow; it is noteworthy too, both ARM and amd64 arrived at a dead end with the criteria of mine: with amd64 it is mainly UEFI which isn't accepted, and with aarch64 it is missing toolchain support with compiler and binutils

03:38 activelow; with aarch32 it is relatively difficult, to acquire various SBC already (rockchip for example, or RPI3 not produced anymore), to plan long-term with

03:39 activelow; at least aarch32 hardware is available, and some of it widespread;

03:40 activelow; too, open j-core hardware is known supported with the legacy GNU software, too SPARC leon should be

03:41 activelow; both j-core and SPARC leon support for TinyCC are missing, at least i can begin with aarch32 and repair what fails with TinyCC, step-by-step

03:43 activelow; RISC-V isn't an option yet anyway, because it depends on recent kernel version and toolchain (binutils/gcc if i am not mistaken); and kernel updates to any later than v5.10 are ruled out currently

03:43 activelow; instead, if anyone could confirm any later kernel version can be compiled with TinyCC, removed some C11; doubt this will happen

03:45 activelow; it is a rather narrow path remaining only, a bleeding edge to balance onto, hoping testicles aren't hurt by accident with one step taken in error

03:45 activelow; and proprietary mines planted everywhere

03:57 AdmFubar; https://www.zdnet.com/article/google-allegedly-hid-documents-from-search-monopoly-lawsuit-doj-claims/

03:57 TR Bot; allegedly hid documents from search monopoly lawsuit, DOJ claims | ZDNet

03:58 AdmFubar; https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60870287

03:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60870287

03:58 TR Bot; agrees new law to curb Big Tech dominance - BBC News

03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 56.05 average k/sec., average swarm size 836.08

4 AM, March 31

04:02 AdmFubar; https://www.lioness.co/post/microsoft-is-using-illegal-bribes-in-the-middle-east-and-africa-why-is-the-sec-turning-a-blind-eye

04:02 TR Bot; Microsoft is using illegal bribes in the Middle East and Africa. Why is the SEC turning a blind eye?

04:13 AdmFubar; https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/03/26/0526241/watch-out-facebook-american-non-profit-creates-social-network-for-older-adults?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

04:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: slashdot.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tech.slashdot.org/story/22/03/26/0526241/watch-out-facebook-american-non-profit-creates-social-network-for-older-adults?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

04:13 TR Bot; Watch Out, Facebook. American Non-Profit Creates Social Network for Older Adults - Slashdot

04:35 DaemonFC; https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/30/23001747/disney-dont-say-gay-bill-florida-desantis

04:35 TR Bot; Disney wants to see Floridas Dont Say Gay law repealed - The Verge

04:36 DaemonFC; They were for it before they were against it.

04:39 DaemonFC; "Speaking during a trip to Canberra on Thursday at the Australian National University, Sir Jeremy Fleming, Director of GCHQ, the UK's Intelligence, Cyber and Security Agency said, it increasingly looks like Putin has massively misjudged the situation. Its clear he misjudged the resistance of the Ukrainian people.

04:39 DaemonFC; Fleming said Putin over-estimated the abilities of the Russian military to secure a quick victory.

04:39 DaemonFC; Weve seen Russian soldiers short of weapons and morale refusing to carry out orders, sabotaging their own equipment and even accidentally shooting down their own aircraft, he said without specifying when or where this took place.

04:39 DaemonFC; Even though we believe Putins advisers are afraid to tell him the truth, whats going on and the extent of these misjudgments must be crystal clear to the regime, he said."

04:42 DaemonFC; https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/03/30/2259245/apple-and-meta-gave-user-data-to-hackers-who-used-forged-legal-requests

04:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: slashdot.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/03/30/2259245/apple-and-meta-gave-user-data-to-hackers-who-used-forged-legal-requests

04:42 TR Bot; Apple and Meta Gave User Data to Hackers Who Used Forged Legal Requests - Slashdot

04:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 47.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 225.96

5 AM, March 31

05:05 AdmFubar; it appears they are not only proud of this... but smug about it too https://gizmodo.com/nestle-denies-anonymous-hack-claims-says-it-leaked-dat-1848691484

05:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gizmodo.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://gizmodo.com/nestle-denies-anonymous-hack-claims-says-it-leaked-dat-1848691484

05:05 TR Bot; Nestle Denies Anonymous Hack Claims, Says It Leaked Data Itself

05:06 *u-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)

05:07 AdmFubar; https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/linux-improves-its-random-number-generator.html

05:07 TR Bot; Improves Its Random Number Generator - Schneier on Security

05:10 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, March 30, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

05:10 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives

05:10 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing

05:10 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index

05:13 TR News; Bribery is the main modus operandi of Microsoft; dont fall for the lie/delusion of GitHub being a separate company http://techrights.org/2022/03/30/microsoft-osi-and-redmonk/

05:13 TR Bot; Microsoft: Bribing With Both Hands | Techrights

05:14 *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)

05:15 TR News; "While basic advice for compression is simpleenable it!recordsize is a more challenging topic." https://klarasystems.com/articles/tuning-recordsize-in-openzfs/

05:15 TR Bot; Tuning recordsize in OpenZFS | Klara Inc.

05:15 TR News; "I mentioned the Wordle craze, including the extant ports to the Commodore 64, in our KIMdle sorta-Wordle for the KIM-1. But the Commodore 64, and I suspect this was actually a PET game originally" https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2022/03/prior-art-dept-5-letter-words-jim.html

05:15 TR Bot; Old Vintage Computing Research: prior-art-dept.: 5 letter words (Jim Butterfield's Jotto)

05:16 *u-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@v6xmmrhxmbafc.irc) has joined #techrights

05:17 TR News; "While the author suggests theres more to math than rigour and proofs, I tangentially suggest theres more to design than data and rationality." https://blog.jim-nielsen.com/2022/more-to-design-than-data-and-rationality/

05:17 TR Bot; Theres More to Design Than Data and Rationality - Jim Nielsens Blog

05:19 TR News; Ericsson is patent trolling... AND terrorism https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60406119

05:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60406119

05:19 TR Bot; says it may have paid bribes to Islamic State terrorists - BBC News

05:19 TR News; "Shareholders in Swedish telecom giant Ericsson on Tuesday sanctioned the company's board and chief executive over its handling of a corruption scandal" https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220329-shareholders-sanction-ericsson-board-over-iraq-corruption

05:19 TR Bot; Shareholders sanction Ericsson board over Iraq corruption

05:20 TR News; Islamic State of Ericsson https://www.reuters.com/business/ericsson-ceo-faces-investor-ire-over-handling-iraq-probe-2022-03-29/

05:20 TR Bot; CEO faces investor ire over handling of Iraq probe | Reuters

05:21 TR News; "Scientists said that these cryovolcanoes -- numbering perhaps 10 or more -- stand anywhere from 1 kilometer (six-tenths of a mile) to 7 kilometers (4-1/2 miles) tall" https://www.voanews.com/a/towering-ice-volcanoes-identified-on-surprisingly-vibrant-pluto-/6508968.html

05:21 TR Bot; Towering Ice Volcanoes Identified on Surprisingly Vibrant Pluto

05:22 TR News; "Worse than McCarthyism, which only targeted individual dissenters, todays repressive measures invade the curriculum and the classroom" https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/academic-freedom-faculty-racism/

05:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thenation.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/academic-freedom-faculty-racism/

05:22 TR Bot; Across the Country, Faculty Fight to Defend Academic Freedom | The Nation

05:26 TR News; Media focus on the group which cracked Microsoft, not Microsoft having holes and lapses https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/lapsus$-breaches-software-consultancy-firm-globant,-steals-source-code.html

05:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/lapsus$-breaches-software-consultancy-firm-globant,-steals-source-code.html

05:26 TR Bot; - Lapsus$ breaches software consultancy firm Globant, steals source code

05:27 TR News; Proprietary software https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/cyberattack-ukraine-war-affected-thousands-europe-83765998

05:27 TR Bot; Satellite modems nexus of worst cyberattack of Ukraine war - ABC News

05:27 TR News; Proprietary software https://redmondmag.com/articles/2022/03/30/globant-hacked-by-lapsus-gang.aspx

05:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: redmondmag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://redmondmag.com/articles/2022/03/30/globant-hacked-by-lapsus-gang.aspx

05:27 TR Bot; Apparently Hacked by Lapsus Gang -- Redmondmag.com

05:27 TR News; Windows TCO https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/spam/MSOfficeFileScanningNeed

05:27 Alternative link; Cloudflare: utoronto.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/spam/MSOfficeFileScanningNeed

05:27 TR Bot; Chris's Wiki :: blog/spam/MSOfficeFileScanningNeed

05:28 TR News; Windows TCO https://gru.gq/2022/03/29/kgb-fail-belarus-rail-the-tale/

05:28 TR Bot; KGB Fail Belarus Rail, the tale.

05:28 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D546.jpg

05:29 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D188.jpg

05:30 TR News; "The clip of Trump asking Putin for help was published by a news website founded by John Solomon, a pro-Trump journalist whose previous coverage about the Bidens' ties to Ukraine has been discredited." https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/29/politics/trump-putin-hunter-biden/index.html

05:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/29/politics/trump-putin-hunter-biden/index.html

05:30 TR Bot; Trump brazenly asks Putin to release dirt about Biden's family - CNNPolitics

05:31 TR News; "Two senior British judges resigned from Hong Kong's highest court on Wednesday as part of a broader British rebuke of the territory's claim" https://www.voanews.com/a/british-judges-quit-hong-kong-court-over-beijing-imposed-national-security-law/6508530.html

05:31 TR Bot; British Judges Quit Hong Kong Court Over Beijing-Imposed National Security Law

05:32 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/

05:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/29/non_c_operating_systems/

05:32 TR Bot; The weird world of non-C operating systems The Register

05:34 TR News; Facebooks status as nationalistic operation reaffirmed? https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/tiktok-facebook-meta-targeted-victory-1235122641/

05:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/tiktok-facebook-meta-targeted-victory-1235122641/

05:34 TR Bot; TikTok Concerned by Facebook-Paid Campaign for Negative Coverage The Hollywood Reporter

05:35 TR News; "The executive order was an excellent first step in the right direction. It required the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)" https://thehill.com/opinion/cybersecurity/600352-regulatory-enforcement-is-our-best-weapon-against-cyberwar

05:35 TR Bot; Regulatory enforcement is our best weapon against cyberwar | The Hill

05:35 TR News; Facebook is a company that ought not even exist https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/30/23003168/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory-news-column-campaign-gop

05:35 TR Bot; Facebook funded anti-TikTok campaign through GOP firm - The Verge

05:36 TR News; "'Getting forked' is as bad as it sounds. Developers, users, and all other sorts of resources are split." https://matt-rickard.com/threat-of-the-fork/

05:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: matt-rickard.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://matt-rickard.com/threat-of-the-fork/

05:36 TR Bot; Threat of the Hard Fork

05:36 TR News; "In a statement to the Washington Post, Mr Trump said that he had never heard of the term "burner phone" and had no idea what it was" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60934574

05:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60934574

05:36 TR Bot; 'burner phones' are the talk of Washington - BBC News

05:37 TR News; Social control media = Dis/Misinformation: "Some of Chinas state-affiliated reporters have posited themselves as trendy Instagram influencers or bloggers" https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Pacific/2022/0330/How-China-uses-influencers-to-build-a-propaganda-network

05:37 TR Bot; China uses social media influencers to build a propaganda network - CSMonitor.com

05:41 TR News; "In Marvel news, even with the TV-MA Netflix Marvel shows on Disney Plus, it appears there's censorship happening on The Falcon and The Winter Soldier" https://www.ign.com/videos/disney-is-censoring-some-violence-in-falcon-winter-soldier-series-ign-the-fix-entertainment

05:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ign.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ign.com/videos/disney-is-censoring-some-violence-in-falcon-winter-soldier-series-ign-the-fix-entertainment

05:41 TR Bot; Is Censoring Some Violence in Falcon & Winter Soldier Series - IGN The Fix: Entertainment - IGN

05:42 TR News; "Burundi's media authority announced Wednesday that it would lift a nationwide ban on the BillG [sic] Bullshit Corporation (BBC)" https://www.voanews.com/a/burundi-lifts-ban-on-bbc-after-almost-3-years/6508449.html

05:42 TR Bot; Burundi Lifts Ban on BBC After Almost 3 Years

05:42 AdmFubar; https://www.icij.org/investigations/pandora-papers/new-zealand-moves-to-crack-down-on-corporate-secrecy-after-pandora-papers/

05:42 TR Bot; New Zealand moves to crack down on corporate secrecy after Pandora Papers - ICIJ

05:42 schestowitz-TR; they needed to wait this long?

05:42 schestowitz-TR; where is accountability?

05:42 AdmFubar; https://www.icij.org/investigations/ericsson-list/key-analysts-urge-ericsson-investors-to-hold-ceo-accountable-for-oversight-failures/

05:42 TR Bot; Key analysts urge Ericsson investors to hold CEO accountable for oversight failures - ICIJ

05:43 TR News; "Public school districts in multiple U.S. states are grappling with and, in some cases, acquiescing to demands by small but vocal groups of parents to rid school libraries of certain books" https://www.voanews.com/a/us-public-school-libraries-pressured-to-remove-certain-books/6508506.html

05:43 TR Bot; US Public School Libraries Pressured to Remove Certain Books

05:44 TR News; "At this time we are looking into the matter." What about Jesus mug? That does offend anyone? https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-60915405

05:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-essex-60915405

05:44 TR Bot; grammar teacher suspended over Prophet Muhammad mug - BBC News

05:47 AdmFubar; https://www.backblaze.com/blog/ssd-edition-2021-drive-stats-review/

05:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: backblaze.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.backblaze.com/blog/ssd-edition-2021-drive-stats-review/

05:47 TR Bot; The SSD Edition: 2021 Drive Stats Review

05:48 TR News; Censorship https://www.davidrevoy.com/article904/how-proprietary-social-medias-are-shaping-the-future-of-peppercarrot

05:48 TR Bot; How proprietary social-medias are shaping the future of Pepper&Carrot - David Revoy

05:50 TR News; "Apple and Facebook parent company Meta turned over user data last year to [frauds] pretending to be law enforcement officials" https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/600410-apple-meta-turned-over-user-data-to-hackers-using-forged-requests-report

05:50 TR Bot; Apple, Meta turned over user data to hackers using forged requests: report | The Hill

05:51 TR News; "Police won't release body cam footage of disputed incident for 45 days." https://reason.com/2022/03/30/he-disarmed-a-gun-wielding-menace-in-a-san-jose-taqueria-then-the-cops-shot-him/

05:51 TR Bot; He Disarmed a Gun-Wielding Menace in a San Jose Taqueria. Then the Cops Shot Him.

05:52 TR News; "Previously, Apple prohibited app developers from including any links to account sign-up pages." https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/apple-app-store-netflix-spotify-web-accounts-1235219399/

05:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2022/digital/news/apple-app-store-netflix-spotify-web-accounts-1235219399/

05:52 TR Bot; Will 'Reader Apps' Like Netflix, Spotify Include Signup Links - Variety

05:53 TR News; "This emphasis on competition refers back to the simple fact that as content (rather than service) providers, legacy publishers currently enjoy monopolies" http://bjoern.brembs.net/2022/03/why-publication-services-must-not-be-negotiated/

05:53 TR Bot; bjoern.brembs.blog Why publication services must not be negotiated

05:53 AdmFubar; https://www.databreaches.net/hackers-gaining-power-of-subpoena-via-fake-emergency-data-requests/

05:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: databreaches.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.databreaches.net/hackers-gaining-power-of-subpoena-via-fake-emergency-data-requests/

05:53 TR Bot; Hackers Gaining Power of Subpoena Via Fake Emergency Data Requests

05:55 TR News; "From 2026, electronic legal transactions should be possible completely without paper, but this could cause problems for defendants in custody." https://digit.site36.net/2022/03/30/digital-justice-german-state-of-baden-wuerttemberg-launches-electronic-criminal-file/

05:55 TR Bot; Digital justice: German state of Baden-Wrttemberg launches electronic criminal file Matthias Monroy

05:56 schestowitz-TR; activelow: ^^

05:58 TR News; EFF outsourced to GulagTube while bagging money from Gulag https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/digital-rights-updates-effector-342

05:58 TR Bot; Digital Rights Updates with EFFector 34.2 | Electronic Frontier Foundation

05:58 TR News; Finnish McCarthyism? https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/nokia-busted-helping-russias-fsb-spy-on-citizens-activists-journalists/

05:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/nokia-busted-helping-russias-fsb-spy-on-citizens-activists-journalists/

05:58 TR Bot; Busted Helping Russias FSB Spy On Citizens, Activists, Journalists | Techdirt

05:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 69.28 average k/sec., average swarm size 254.35

6 AM, March 31

06:01 activelow; schestowitz-TR: reminds me of a project, which i had not received my salary for yet

06:02 activelow; i see government bureaucratic institutions created a criminal file for themselves first

06:02 activelow; got a long hitlist

06:02 TR News; Is this just Intel marketing/commercial/spam? GulagTube is getting plagued with it... https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ouGH3RfjvS8

06:02 TR Bot; Intel Arc Dedicated GPUs and Linux: Everything You Need To Know! - Invidious

06:02 activelow; severe fraud; financial damage at the scale of millions of cash

06:03 activelow; fraud by, government institutions, not some dubious scammer gang, although it's difficult to distinguish those

06:03 TR News; "Considering the pace Valve has been pushing out Steam Deck Verified games anyone looking at this situation can see that something is going to go wrong and Valve is looking for your feedback to identify incorrectly verified games" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MoDFYsLu43I

06:03 TR Bot; Linux Gaming Is More Complex Than Valve Thought - Invidious

06:04 TR News; "About a month ago, I suddenly had the urge to learn how to create my own GTK application. In a community poll, I asked my viewers if I should do this using Haskell, and a large portion of the community wanted me to do it in Python instead." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=gkyd7Uv6uJ8

06:04 TR Bot; Can This Non-Developer Create His Own GTK App? (Haskell & Python) - Invidious

06:04 TR News; xkcd: Rejected Question Categories https://xkcd.com/2600/ Source: xkcd

06:04 TR Bot; Rejected Question Categories

06:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2600/

06:05 schestowitz; Systemd discusses its kernel-version needs https://lwn.net/Articles/889610/

06:05 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://lwn.net/Articles/889610/ )

06:05 schestowitz; paywall

06:07 activelow; in parallel, german public morning tv discusses tampered videos and fakes spread... excluding their own propaganda lies of cause, as usual

06:08 activelow; which is, to combat fake news, german public tv had to be shut down, as a most effective action, and most of the smearings sold as newspaper, dictated by atlantic bridge war criminal gang

06:08 activelow; and their 5eyes

06:10 AdmFubar; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mazda-infotainment-crash-shows-how-fragile-car-security-really-is/

06:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mazda-infotainment-crash-shows-how-fragile-car-security-really-is/

06:10 TR Bot; Mazda Infotainment Crash Shows How Fragile Car Security Really Is

06:11 activelow; and it is remarkable, new german government including "Alliance90/greens" "eco" "peace" "activists" boast about 500 strela-2 rocket launchers delivered to Ukraine

06:11 AdmFubar; https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mars-stealer-malware-pushed-via-openoffice-ads-on-google/

06:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bleepingcomputer.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/mars-stealer-malware-pushed-via-openoffice-ads-on-google/

06:11 TR Bot; Mars Stealer malware pushed via OpenOffice ads on Google

06:14 TR News; Aaron Wolf on Funding Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/aaron-wolf-on-funding/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/aaron-wolf-on-funding/

06:14 TR Bot; Aaron Wolf on Funding Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights

06:15 TR News; Videos: GTK, Gaming, KDE neon, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163169

06:15 TR Bot; Videos: GTK, Gaming, KDE neon, and More | Tux Machines

06:17 TR News; Link spam or SEO disguised as information. So much of the WWW is now just webspam. https://www.noobslab.com/2022/03/3-simple-ways-to-strengthen-your.html

06:17 TR Bot; Simple ways to strengthen your WordPress sites security - NoobsLab | Eye on Digital World

06:20 activelow; got a list of names, to create electronic criminal files for, in preparation for life-time imprisonment for their war crimes

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06:28 TR News; Links 31/03/2022: MirageOS 4.0 and Shotcut 22.03.30 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/mirageos-4-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/mirageos-4-0/

06:28 TR Bot; Links 31/03/2022: MirageOS 4.0 and Shotcut 22.03.30 | Techrights

06:29 TR News; Proprietary Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163170

06:29 TR Bot; Proprietary Leftovers | Tux Machines

06:29 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163171

06:29 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

06:29 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163172

06:29 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

06:32 TR News; "The real inflation is coming from government agencies seeking to justify their waste of taxpayers money" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/texas-govt-threw-millions-at-border-enforcement-stats-show-it-was-a-waste-of-money/

06:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/texas-govt-threw-millions-at-border-enforcement-stats-show-it-was-a-waste-of-money/

06:32 TR Bot; Govt Threw Millions At Border Enforcement. Stats Show It Was A Waste Of Money. | Techdirt

06:33 TR News; "Back in the day, just about everything that used a battery had a hatch or a hutch that you could open to pull it out and replace it if need be." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/30/replaceable-batteries-are-coming-back-to-phones-if-the-eu-gets-its-way/

06:33 TR Bot; Batteries Are Coming Back To Phones If The EU Gets Its Way | Hackaday

06:33 TR News; Linux powered https://hackaday.com/2022/03/30/whats-that-accessusb-menu-in-my-lg-smarttv/

06:33 TR Bot; That AccessUSB Menu In My LG SmartTV? | Hackaday

06:38 TR News; Charles Koch, who gave money to TechDirt... https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/30/the-money-trail-to-the-ginni-thomas-emails-to-overturn-bidens-election-leads-to-charles-koch/

06:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/30/the-money-trail-to-the-ginni-thomas-emails-to-overturn-bidens-election-leads-to-charles-koch/

06:38 TR Bot; Money Trail to the Ginni Thomas Emails to Overturn Bidens Election Leads to Charles Koch - CounterPunch.org

06:40 TR News; SCOTUS links to insurrection https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/30/ginni-thomass-texts-coup-search-legal-theory-and-judicial-malfeasance https://truthout.org/articles/ocasio-cortez-calls-for-clarence-thomas-to-resign-over-wifes-ties-to-january-6/

06:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/30/ginni-thomass-texts-coup-search-legal-theory-and-judicial-malfeasance

06:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/ocasio-cortez-calls-for-clarence-thomas-to-resign-over-wifes-ties-to-january-6/

06:40 TR Bot; Opinion | Ginni Thomas's Texts: A 'Coup in Search of a Legal Theory' and Judicial Malfeasance | Steven Harper

06:40 TR Bot; Ocasio-Cortez Calls for Clarence Thomas to Resign Over Wifes Ties to January 6

06:41 TR News; Boycott GulagTube https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/bungie-sues-does-over-destiny-dmca-takedowns-slams-youtubes-dmca-process/

06:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/bungie-sues-does-over-destiny-dmca-takedowns-slams-youtubes-dmca-process/

06:41 TR Bot; Sues Does Over Destiny DMCA Takedowns, Slams YouTubes DMCA Process | Techdirt

06:42 TR News; It's just a cartel https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/publishers-seem-to-believe-their-outsized-sense-of-entitlement-should-trump-democracy/

06:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/publishers-seem-to-believe-their-outsized-sense-of-entitlement-should-trump-democracy/

06:42 TR Bot; Seem To Believe Their Outsized Sense Of Entitlement Should Trump Democracy | Techdirt

06:43 TR News; "When his new legal streaming service launched in 2021, producer and cinema investor Moshe Edery asked consumers to "leave the pirates and come to the Zionists." When millions didn't, Edery hatched plans to take down a number of pirate sites" https://torrentfreak.com/tv-boss-threatens-mastercard-visa-over-support-for-pirate-sites-220330/

06:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/tv-boss-threatens-mastercard-visa-over-support-for-pirate-sites-220330/

06:43 TR Bot; Boss Threatens Mastercard & Visa Over Support For Pirate Sites * TorrentFreak

06:44 TR News; "The default judgment finds the company guilty of copyright infringement and DMCA violations, in part by promoting the Popcorn Time app." Well, promoting of mentioning Free software is NOT a crime. https://torrentfreak.com/liquidvpn-ordered-to-pay-filmmakers-14m-in-copyright-damages-220330/

06:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/liquidvpn-ordered-to-pay-filmmakers-14m-in-copyright-damages-220330/

06:44 TR Bot; Ordered to Pay Filmmakers $14m in Copyright Damages * TorrentFreak

06:45 TR News; State-mandated malware which targets young people without their consent https://www.projectcensored.org/school-issued-technology-poses-surveillance-risks-for-students/

06:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: projectcensored.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.projectcensored.org/school-issued-technology-poses-surveillance-risks-for-students/

06:45 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://www.projectcensored.org/school-issued-technology-poses-surveillance-risks-for-students/ )

06:49 TR News; "Theres one group of people who arent worried about high gas prices this month: Big Oil executives." https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/30/big-oil-should-pay-windfall-tax-offset-pain-pump

06:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/30/big-oil-should-pay-windfall-tax-offset-pain-pump

06:49 TR Bot; Opinion | Big Oil Should Pay Windfall Tax to Offset Pain at the Pump | Jamie Henn

06:49 TR News; Last phase of capitalism before its collapse? https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/30/mega-billionaires-and-gushing-upward-redistribution-wealth

06:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/03/30/mega-billionaires-and-gushing-upward-redistribution-wealth

06:49 TR Bot; Opinion | Mega-Billionaires and the Gushing Upward Redistribution of Wealth | Robert Reich

06:50 TR News; Big Banks Dumping Trillions Into Fossil Fuels https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/30/despite-splashy-net-zero-vows-big-banks-dumping-trillions-fossil-fuels

06:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/30/despite-splashy-net-zero-vows-big-banks-dumping-trillions-fossil-fuels

06:50 TR Bot; Despite 'Splashy' Net-Zero Vows, Big Banks Dumping Trillions Into Fossil Fuels

06:51 TR News; FB should not even exist https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/30/facebook-hiring-gop-firm-seen-proof-growing-ties-republican-political-machine

06:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/30/facebook-hiring-gop-firm-seen-proof-growing-ties-republican-political-machine

06:51 TR Bot; Facebook Hiring of GOP Firm Seen as Proof of Growing Ties to 'Republican Political Machine'

06:57 TR News; the Tyranny of Big Telecom https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/30/att-fumbles-the-tyranny-of-big-telecom/

06:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/30/att-fumbles-the-tyranny-of-big-telecom/

06:57 TR Bot; Fumbles: the Tyranny of Big Telecom - CounterPunch.org

7 AM, March 31

07:00 TR News; Social control media is a net negative for the world https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/30/facebooks-boosting-climate-lies-pushes-skeptics-toward-denial-report

07:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/30/facebooks-boosting-climate-lies-pushes-skeptics-toward-denial-report

07:00 TR Bot; Facebook's Boosting of Climate Lies Pushes 'Skeptics' Toward Denial: Report

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07:02 TR News; Censorship https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/why-moderating-content-actually-does-more-to-support-the-principles-of-free-speech/

07:02 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/why-moderating-content-actually-does-more-to-support-the-principles-of-free-speech/

07:02 TR Bot; Moderating Content Actually Does More To Support The Principles Of Free Speech | Techdirt

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07:06 TR News; howtoforge has been inaccessible for weeks. It committed suicide by ClownFlare after about 17 years.

07:07 TR News; GParted 1.4 released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163152#comment-33239

07:07 TR Bot; GParted Live 1.4.0-1 Stable Release | Tux Machines

07:08 kingoffrance; ' Why Moderating Content " the only question is who gets to be a moderator

07:09 kingoffrance; somehow media always reduces everything to the most idiotic binary 'simp' black/white nonsense

07:09 kingoffrance; moderation: god or the devil

07:09 kingoffrance; you have to pick one lol

07:09 TR News; In his day job as an independent music teacher, he pushes his students to use free/libre tools and release their music under free licenses." http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/aaron-wolf-on-funding/

07:09 TR Bot; Aaron Wolf on Funding Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights

07:10 kingoffrance; linus said masturbating monkeys, he was right

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07:11 TR News; "Today we are looking at Fedora 36 Beta. It comes with Gnome 42, Linux kernel 5.17, and uses about 1.4 GB of ram when idling." https://www.linuxmadesimple.info/2022/03/fedora-36-beta.html https://yewtu.be/watch?v=ij5E3IXvEJI

07:11 TR Bot; Fedora 36 Beta

07:11 TR Bot; Fedora 36 Beta Run Through - Invidious

07:12 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163173

07:12 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

07:12 schestowitz-TR; kingoffrance: he talked about security boasting

07:13 schestowitz-TR; and self-gratification over it

07:15 TR News; No April Fools, snow in Manchester

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07:17 TR News; Microsoft Windows unable to delete its own files. https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/windows-delete-file-special-char.html

07:17 TR Bot; How to delete files with weird characters in Windows

07:18 kingoffrance; eh, after reading the article is a little more nuanced, but still is left at 'who gets to define what a "community" is'

07:18 kingoffrance; i.e. is the community the website operators or the users

07:18 kingoffrance; some "community' members more equal than others

07:20 TR News; #HowTo Use Password Store to Manage Your Passwords in Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163174

07:20 TR Bot; How to Use Password Store to Manage Your Passwords in Linux | Tux Machines

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07:22 TR News; The term "Linux" is been bent or diluted for greenwashing PR https://time.com/6162201/open-source-green-grid/

07:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: time.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://time.com/6162201/open-source-green-grid/

07:22 TR Bot; Collective Action to Green the Grid | Time

07:22 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163175

07:22 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

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07:27 TR News; [GIT PULL] ext4 updates for 5.18-rc1 - Theodore Tso https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/YjuYwa2jhanwyryf@mit.edu/ Source: mit | linux | kernel

07:27 TR Bot; [GIT PULL] ext4 updates for 5.18-rc1 - Theodore Ts'o

07:30 TR News; parted-3.4.64 released [alpha] http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163152#comment-33241

07:30 TR Bot; GParted Live 1.4.0-1 Stable Release | Tux Machines

07:31 kingoffrance; the real danger is mixing up legal and lawful and corporations cant decide if they are "citizens" (who are supposed to uphold 'principles' )

07:32 *kingoffrance slap im a citizen! slap im a private business slap i have political slogans everywhere and tell people to vote slap i dont do politics

07:32 kingoffrance; schizo corporations, as always

07:33 *kingoffrance slap i only exist with limited liability from gov slap i owe you nothing, your privileges are at my behest slap men create gov slap legal is all there is

07:33 kingoffrance; its like a split personality lol

07:34 kingoffrance; the omnipresent forked tongue lol

07:35 kingoffrance; my hand hurts , too much detective work

07:38 TR News; Profiting From Inefficiency With DRM | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/drm-talk/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/drm-talk/

07:38 TR Bot; Profiting From Inefficiency With DRM | Techrights

07:41 TR News; The Stanley Parable: Ultra Deluxe launches April 27 | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/the-stanley-parable-ultra-deluxe-launches-april-27/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games

07:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/the-stanley-parable-ultra-deluxe-launches-april-27/

07:41 TR Bot; Stanley Parable: Ultra Deluxe launches April 27 | GamingOnLinux

07:43 TR News; Want to Work in IT? 6 Reasons to Check out Linux https://news.clearancejobs.com/2022/03/30/want-to-work-in-it-6-reasons-to-check-out-linux/ Source: ClearanceJobs

07:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: clearancejobs.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.clearancejobs.com/2022/03/30/want-to-work-in-it-6-reasons-to-check-out-linux/

07:43 TR Bot; Want to Work in IT? 6 Reasons to Check out Linux - ClearanceJobs

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08:18 kingoffrance; part of the reason i have little sympathy for the "moderation is not censorship" is not that there is not miles of useless "debate" ...but that if there is only legal entities, they are all "gov actors" (indirectly). gov magically waves a wand and says "this agent of mine is not gov"

08:18 kingoffrance; it is "gov" being schizophrenic ultimately

08:19 kingoffrance; corporations are just an extension of "gov" cant make up its mind

08:19 kingoffrance; there is no answer in usa...it wasnt designd for corporations, it was designed for farmers

08:20 kingoffrance; "if we ever allow cities to spring up here like they have in europe, we will become as corrupt as they are' (paraphrase, jefferson)

08:20 kingoffrance; well, here we are lol

08:24 kingoffrance; its conflicting definitions of 'community'

08:24 kingoffrance; that, is entirely the fault of corporations

08:25 kingoffrance; and "gov" saying they are "citizens"

08:26 kingoffrance; that word was always two-sided because one version meant 'city'

08:29 kingoffrance; its like the "state" thing, its eternal confusion of tongues at this point :/

08:34 kingoffrance; a corporation is an artificial person, even a "citizen" ...only existing with gov charter/granted privileges, but not a people (by of for the people gov). they slyly take advantage of the parts that benefit, and point at 'gov" as some separate entity

08:35 kingoffrance; (which it is not, it is the only thing giving them any "existence")

08:35 kingoffrance; they are a big part of 'state' confusion of tongues when they do that. anyways lol :)

08:36 kingoffrance; "by of for the people" was never designed for such schizo things

08:39 activelow; question is, the _constitutional_ state at stake

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08:40 activelow; whatever entity, and even democratical or not, if any entity complies with law and order

08:41 activelow; insofar, EU is deligitimized, because of systematic violation of all relevant EU conracts, for example

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08:42 activelow; leave alone, the _historical_ deligitimacy of EU, which is based upon forced displacement and murder of dozens of millions, of, germans

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08:43 activelow; what an irony, the church, as one such business entity, german TV broadcasted some clitter and kitsch, about their "opposition", to bless absolute rulers

08:44 activelow; except for one, the church supposedly didn't bless as any other before

08:45 kingoffrance; well, i dont buy the sov citizen theory that things magically switched to incorporated. nevertheless, the terms are messed up. there are incorporated counties now. that was already a thing. it was called....a city

08:45 kingoffrance; "sov citizen" is even funnier, it was a thing in europe 'republics". but it didnt mean anything except you could withdraw consent.

08:46 kingoffrance; its like saying "im warning you, i will turn this car around"

08:47 activelow; EU recessed below the historical state of Napoleon Bonarparte

08:47 activelow; Banaparte

08:47 activelow; Bonaparte

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08:47 activelow; anyway; for example, the trivial pre-condition, to register all inhabitants, birth and death certificates, and immigrants

08:47 activelow; as, a pre-condition, for any social order

08:48 activelow; sure, corporations may not bother, if an inhabitant has any legal status, at least formally

08:49 activelow; yet, EU "deconstructed" even the mere formality of law and order

08:49 activelow; then they say, it is "freedom", and "democracy", rarely do they talk, about law and order, and the consitutional state

08:50 activelow; a medieval age monarchy couldn't be much worse than EU ruling, if a monarch followed a constitution and law and order

08:55 kingoffrance; i dont know, i just know the language is corrupted seemingly beyond repair

08:55 kingoffrance; its like operator overloading ran amok

08:56 kingoffrance; or function overloading, same name different number of parameters, different behavior

08:57 activelow; in a _constitutional_ state, a basic principle, to follow law and order, is the clear identificiation of legal subjects

08:57 kingoffrance; yes. it is very much right to face your accuser too

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08:58 kingoffrance; *very much part of

08:58 activelow; this basic principle, it's sabotaged, intentionally, it's irelevant which name is given to this

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08:59 activelow; EU cannot exist anymore, in compliance with any _constution_, with law and order in place

08:59 activelow; law and order, a _consitutional_ state isn't possible anymore, in EU

9 AM, March 31

09:00 activelow; because the entire political and economic apparatus, flourished, on the basis to degenarte law and order, and any morals implied

09:01 activelow; besides, the _historical_ deligitimacy of EU wasn't finalized 1945, the final stroke, to hammer this unjustice into stone was year 1990

09:01 activelow; and the so-called "re-unification", which never happened

09:03 kingoffrance; "the trivial pre-condition, to register all inhabitants, birth and death certificates, and immigrants" i agree with that

09:03 kingoffrance; but thats why it will always be chicken and egg for usa....men create gov. who gave them birth certificates? noone

09:04 kingoffrance; so i am not arguing against that, just the "legal" follows

09:04 kingoffrance; it is more about preserving hierarchy than trying to return to "natural rights" or whatever

09:04 kingoffrance; if the hierarchy is screwed, everything becomes twisted

09:05 kingoffrance; there's a maxim, something like if the order of things is lost, everythinig is thrown into confusion

09:05 kingoffrance; *was. noone does those anymore :)

09:06 kingoffrance; its more like the not wanting to require c++ for a c compiler :)

09:08 kingoffrance; you can cross that line, but it is difficult to go back once crossed

09:27 kingoffrance; or like matey said. if the cause and effect is lost, there is no longer any meaning

09:28 kingoffrance; people do eventually swing back around to ye olde maxims, they jsut dont realize it :)

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10:07 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/irc-log-300322/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/irc-log-300322/

10:07 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, March 30, 2022 | Techrights

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10:17 TR News; A Visit to Uni gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202203/20220330-a-visit-to-uni.gmi familiar feeling.

10:18 TR News; Ubuntu Users Get Small Linux Kernel Security Update with Only Two Flaws Patched Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163176

10:18 TR Bot; Ubuntu Users Get Small Linux Kernel Security Update with Only Two Flaws Patched | Tux Machines

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10:25 TR News; "I don't use reddit much but I subscribe to the san francisco subreddit, and it is insane to me how awful the political opinions there. Really terrible, racist stuff, from people who probably consider themselves to be "liberal"" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi

10:25 TR News; "I don't use reddit much but I subscribe to the san francisco subreddit, and it is insane to me how awful the political opinions there. Really terrible, racist stuff, from people who probably consider themselves to be "liberal"" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi

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10:26 schestowitz; "written on Pinephone keyboard

10:26 schestowitz; on loft bed in garage" gopher://sdf.org:70/0/users/agk/phlog/2022-03-02-lent.txt

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10:27 TR News; "I tried tin, trn, slrn for Usenet without success (i can't browse older posts). But maybe I don't have enough time for configuration. If mutt is better solution, you could write some tutorial. There are no many about it on the web." gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi

10:34 TR News; The correlation between the battle against corruption and the importance of Free software (privacy, source protection) merits special attention. Maybe next year I'll submit a talk proposal for LibrePlanet.

10:44 TR News; The 7 Best Browsers for Old and Low-End Computers https://www.makeuseof.com/best-browsers-old-low-end-computers/ Source: makeuseof

10:44 TR Bot; The 7 Best Browsers for Old and Low-End Computers

10:44 TR News; Another GNU Poke Release (2.3) and Video Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163177

10:44 TR Bot; Another GNU Poke Release (2.3) and Video | Tux Machines

10:46 TR News; BSDNow: "Controlling Resource Limits with rctl in FreeBSD, Its always DNS, Google Summer of Code in BSD Projects, Rsync Technical Notes - Q4 2021, Userland CPU frequency scheduling for OpenBSD, and more." https://www.bsdnow.tv/448

10:46 TR Bot; BSD Now 448: Controlling Resource Limits

10:53 TR News; Steam Deck gets a big Client update, plus Deck OS and BIOS BETA update | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-deck-gets-a-big-client-update-plus-deck-os-and-bios-beta-update/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games

10:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-deck-gets-a-big-client-update-plus-deck-os-and-bios-beta-update/

10:53 TR Bot; Deck gets a big Client update, plus Deck OS and BIOS BETA update | GamingOnLinux

10:54 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: BSD Now, FLOSS Weekly, and The Linux Link Tech Show (TLLTS) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163178

10:54 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: BSD Now, FLOSS Weekly, and The Linux Link Tech Show (TLLTS) | Tux Machines

10:55 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163179

10:55 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

10:56 *matey (~matey@5qfh8ygvjx3sy.irc) has joined #techrights

10:57 SomeH4x0r; hi

10:58 matey; hi

10:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 46.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 47.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 216.96

11 AM, March 31

11:01 *DaemonFC (~daemonfc@74bmiss74te8u.irc) has joined #techrights

11:02 matey; yesterday i found out what was meant by "it does devanagari right"

11:02 matey; i made a "virtual keyboard" with js and compared it to tk

11:03 matey; the virtual keyboard combines glyphs, tk doesnt

11:03 DaemonFC; <techrights-news> "I don't use reddit much but I subscribe to the san francisco subreddit, and it is insane to me how awful the political opinions there. Really terrible, racist stuff, from people who probably consider themselves to be "liberal"" gemini://alex.flounder.online/journal.gmi

11:03 matey; so for some writing systems there appears to be no option (perhaps) unless you want to go with a stallman backstabber using github too

11:03 matey; that really really sucks. it also shows the need for a fork imo.

11:04 matey; github: "haha, you cant write your own alphabet without ME"

11:04 DaemonFC; Yes, like I said. The "liberals" are the worst. They're patently offensive. They're the ones that won't even say "black people" but are the ones keeping them down with welfare programs instead of creating employment opportunities, lower taxes, and more housing (which brings down prices).

11:04 matey; i wish it were fud, i know 0 alternatives

11:04 DaemonFC; All of those things are the polar opposite of what liberals want. It disgusts them that there are any semi-decent people left in this country.

11:05 matey; but are the ones keeping them down with welfare programs instead of creating employment opportunities <- this is partly true

11:05 matey; its more true to say that both sides are keeping them down without employment opportunities

11:05 matey; but they have a different way of hiding the truth

11:06 DaemonFC; Generational poverty is pretty much defined by how easy it is to get on welfare. And the blue states make it easy to get welfare and hard to get work.

11:06 matey; the "liberals" hide the truth with programs too meagre to do anything but keep people in a rut-- thats your position, and i happen to think its mostly true

11:06 DaemonFC; Illinois has tens of thousands of welfare agency employees and the worst jobs situation in America.

11:06 matey; Generational poverty is pretty much defined by how easy it is to get on welfare. <- by whom

11:06 DaemonFC; It's a poverty trap.

11:06 matey; the "right" hides the truth by pretending that if not for all this welfare, everyone would have work-- which imo is sometimes a lot more bullshit than the bullshit from the "liberals"

11:07 matey; but its a nice theory.

11:07 DaemonFC; Entitlement programs are there to soothe public anger over the Democrats fucking up their job opportunities.

11:07 matey; It's a poverty trap. <- in its present implementation, absolutely

11:07 DaemonFC; So they can get through the next election.

11:07 matey; Entitlement programs <- propaganda term imo

11:07 matey; are there to soothe public anger over the Democrats fucking up their job opportunities <- i agree partially

11:07 TR News; Games: Stanley Parable: Ultra Deluxe, Microsoft Issues, and Steam Deck Client Update Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163180

11:08 TR Bot; Games: Stanley Parable: Ultra Deluxe, Microsoft Issues, and Steam Deck Client Update | Tux Machines

11:08 DaemonFC; Entitlement programs are literally what they are. You meet the criteria, you are legally entitled to the program.

11:08 matey; this is what welfare has been perfverted into

11:08 matey; and its the only sort of thing that will exist under this completely broken political system too

11:09 matey; the right isnt going to get their hard working rightopia

11:09 matey; and the left-- is full of shit, like you said

11:09 DaemonFC; Illinois is down 200,000 jobs vs. March 2020. If the Democrats hadn't killed us completely and we had just followed the national average, we'd be down 100,000.

11:09 matey; "left"

11:09 matey; If the Democrats hadn't killed us completely <- i dont doubt the democrats have fucked chicago to death

11:09 DaemonFC; This proves that the Democrat policies themselves are responsible for half the total losses during COVID.

11:09 matey; i doubt the right could (or even would) fix it

11:10 matey; if the gutted a lot of democrat bullshit i can tell you what would happen

11:10 DaemonFC; Now they're demanding that we vote for Amendment 1 this year, which would elevate public employees above the law.

11:10 DaemonFC; And only them!

11:10 matey; for a year or two, things would look destined to improve

11:10 DaemonFC; With the union contracts.

11:10 matey; then it would be shittier than ever. not because it was working before, but because a different kind of broken gives people false hope

11:10 DaemonFC; I'm going to vote no, for certain.

11:11 DaemonFC; They already do pretty much fuck all. There was even one of them who spent years at "work" doing nothing but her Amazon shopping.

11:11 TR News; It says "secure software supply chain breaches like Solar Winds [3], Kaseya[4]," but that's Windows and proprietary software https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/secure-software-supply-chains-good-practices-at-scale/

11:11 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/secure-software-supply-chains-good-practices-at-scale/

11:11 TR Bot; Secure software supply chains: good practices, at scale - Linux Foundation

11:11 DaemonFC; And nobody caught her, and then 5 years in, they finally asked her to leave.

11:11 matey; walmart?

11:11 DaemonFC; Her coworkers complained she did no work, just Amazon shopping and printing out her receipts using the state's printers.

11:11 DaemonFC; No, an Illinois state worker.

11:11 matey; wow

11:11 DaemonFC; Illinois Policy covered this.

11:12 matey; yeah there was similer fuckery under stallman

11:12 matey; dammit

11:12 matey; stalin

11:12 matey; fucking muscle memory. if i said immune system it would have a d on it

11:12 matey; immune systemd

11:12 matey; anyway

11:12 matey; under stalin, the bureaucracy was above the law

11:13 matey; they diverted 2/3 of everything to themselves

11:13 TR News; FSF Award ceremony & Saturday Closing notes https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/fsf-award-ceremony-saturday-closing-notes/

11:13 matey; paid themselves to get fat and (relatively) wealthy

11:13 TR Bot; FSF Award ceremony & Saturday Closing notes GNU MediaGoblin

11:13 matey; it was a system based on corruption (a bit like chicago)

11:13 matey; and arguably (if superfically) left wing!

11:13 matey; like the democrats

11:14 matey; stalin wasnt comfortable having all the workers armed

11:14 DaemonFC; Illinois is like this, but Chicago particularly.

11:14 DaemonFC; The Democrats hide your tax money in slush funds.

11:14 matey; if they had all been armed the first famine would have been the last for the bureaucracy

11:15 DaemonFC; Usually, it gets embezzled and when that's not the case, for vote buying.

11:15 matey; of course the idea was to have democracy, if you can believe it

11:16 matey; but if the democracy fails, and the bureaucracy is corrupt, and making themselves fat on starving everyone else

11:16 matey; thats why you arm all the workers

11:16 matey; the funny thing about everyone being armed is

11:16 matey; you dont even need to shoot a lot of the time

11:17 matey; if thousands of people with a right to bear arms show up to the people creating a nationwide famine for fucks sake

11:17 DaemonFC; If it looks questionable as to whether your alderman will be re-elected then what happens is that he goes on a spending spree in the areas of his ward where they hate him the most.

11:17 matey; they might not even have to point at them. the message is pretty clear-- gtfo, or stay and see what happens

11:17 DaemonFC; All of a sudden, there's city workers there patching all of the potholes in the neighborhood precincts that he didn't do well in last election.

11:18 DaemonFC; Elections are as much about keeping people who don't like you away from the polls as they are about making sure "the right people" vote.

11:18 matey; sure

11:18 TR News; FSF Staff at LibrePlanet Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163181

11:18 TR Bot; FSF Staff at LibrePlanet | Tux Machines

11:18 DaemonFC; People who hit the same pothole every morning right before work vote, for the other guy.

11:18 matey; but to be fair

11:18 matey; youre talking about elections in a situation where a. people are not educated about democracy and b. its a farce to say people demand it

11:19 matey; people demand elections-- if they gave a shit about "democracy" the elections would be NOTHING LIKE THIS

11:19 matey; this is almost-fake democracy. almost fake as in theres a left-wing constitutional law professor (at harvard) explaining in detail why BASICALLY EVERY ELECTION is a farce.

11:19 TR News; Microsoft Mono causing problems http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163180#comment-33242

11:19 TR Bot; Games: Stanley Parable: Ultra Deluxe, Microsoft Issues, and Steam Deck Client Update | Tux Machines

11:19 matey; almost fake not like the trump people said

11:20 matey; if anything, democracy did a rare thing (its job) in getting him out...

11:20 matey; but im sure even amazon shopper did her job on the rarest of occasions

11:20 matey; if it just kept her in the position longer.

11:20 DaemonFC; Well, I'm not sure, but I think Kazakhstan probably has more democratic elections than Illinois does.

11:20 matey; anything is possible eh

11:20 DaemonFC; And the government there is definitely much more corrupt and repressive.

11:21 TR News; "In Firefox 98, were shipping a new version of the existing Performance panel. This panel is now based on the Firefox profiler tool that can be used to capture a performance profile for a web page, inspect visualized performance data and analyze it to identify slow areas." https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/performance-tool-in-firefox-devtools-reloaded/

11:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hacks.mozilla.org/2022/03/performance-tool-in-firefox-devtools-reloaded/

11:21 TR Bot; Performance Tool in Firefox DevTools Reloaded - Mozilla Hacks - the Web developer blog

11:21 matey; yeah

11:21 DaemonFC; Just giving people direct control over who is in power is not always the best call.

11:21 matey; it depends

11:21 matey; in a truly backwards country, democracy does kind of what youd expect it to

11:22 DaemonFC; Governor Pritzker is finally getting pushback. The Illinois Senate (Democrat supermajority.) just rejected his parole board nominee yesterday, and threatene another one into resigning.

11:22 matey; people have to be literate, they have to be educated (beyond simply knowing how to read, which of course is very important as a starting point) and they have to understand the government theyre participating in

11:22 DaemonFC; The legislature was going to go into impeachment mode next.

11:22 matey; otherwise its only PART of a democracy-- with or without non-fake elections

11:23 DaemonFC; Apparently when you parole ax murderers and people who raped and shot a teenage boy in the Cook County forest preserves in 1972, it's fine.

11:23 DaemonFC; But when you get to a cop killer, heads roll.

11:23 TR News; Canonical/Ubuntu: "we are announcing a start of The Telco Podcast, which you can find ... favorite platforms like Spotify or Apple Podcasts." WHAT? https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-telco-podcast

11:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-telco-podcast

11:23 TR Bot; Telco Podcast | Ubuntu

11:23 matey; some people are more equal than others

11:23 DaemonFC; For now, we're safe from the parole board. With the empty seats, it can't convene to make any decisions.

11:23 DaemonFC; Hopefully there's a logjam and the seats stay empty.

11:24 TR News; "LXD and Docker are not competing container technologies, and they tend to serve completely different purposes. In this blog, well briefly discuss the differences and the suitable use cases for both." https://ubuntu.com//blog/lxd-vs-docker

11:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/lxd-vs-docker

11:24 TR Bot; vs Docker | Ubuntu

11:24 matey; how does that work

11:24 DaemonFC; They have to have a quorum to meet andd decide parole cases.

11:24 DaemonFC; Since the empty seats count towards the quorum, they can't meet.

11:24 matey; the direction things are going in is to put a computer in charge of that

11:24 DaemonFC; It's better that it stays that way.

11:24 matey; with hey hi

11:25 DaemonFC; Just don't let anyone out on parole.

11:25 matey; Just don't let anyone out on parole. <- heres the thing

11:25 DaemonFC; I mean, what do you think will happen? Nobody hires felons and they were bad enough to imprison in the first place.

11:25 DaemonFC; Let them rot.

11:25 matey; you were wrongfully arrested, yes?

11:25 matey; and you got off, i believe

11:25 DaemonFC; It was a misdemeanor.

11:25 matey; so parole was never necessary (which is good, because you were wrongfully arrested)

11:25 DaemonFC; Jail wasn't a likely outcome much less prison (impossible).

11:25 matey; i thought they tried to make it worse with some bs

11:26 TR News; "A key principle of open source computing is the ability for users to directly engage with development efforts.." Well, then speak about FREE software, where benefits are vastly more profound https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-keys-to-successful-bug-reporting

11:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/the-keys-to-successful-bug-reporting

11:26 TR Bot; Keys to Successful Bug Reporting | Ubuntu

11:26 matey; jack it up to a felony

11:26 DaemonFC; Had the prosecutor insisted on calling it Aggravated Assault with a Deadly Weapon in the plea deal or on jail time, I would have rejected it and gone to trial.

11:26 matey; but i guess my point is

11:26 matey; well

11:26 DaemonFC; I basically told him that (through my attorney).

11:27 matey; i guess youre confident that if you ended up in there in the first place-- or that you wouldnt unless it was a legitimate charge

11:27 DaemonFC; I said if they insisted on either one, then we would have gone to trial and I would at least go down wasting as much of the prosecutor's time as possible.

11:27 matey; and possibly end up needing parole?

11:27 matey; thats my only point in mentioning it of course

11:28 DaemonFC; You don't get parole from probation.

11:28 matey; okay fair enough

11:28 matey; i doubted that theres a part of it you havent thought through

11:28 matey; youre very thorough and all

11:29 DaemonFC; What I'm really saying is that if there's any redeeming qualities about these people they parole, then they should be burying their criminal record before they let them out so they can adjust and get a job instead of absconding and reoffending.

11:29 TR News; Canonical/Ubuntu: Telcos, Containers, Charmed Operator SDK, and Bug Reporting Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163182

11:29 DaemonFC; And if there's obviously no hope at reform, keep them in prison.

11:29 TR Bot; Canonical/Ubuntu: Telcos, Containers, Charmed Operator SDK, and Bug Reporting | Tux Machines

11:29 TR News; Adrian is programmer who has worked on visualizing shared vocabularies with SKOS, privacy-conscious blogging Web sites, and various contract work. This talk is about the excellent alternative entertainment you can enjoy without resorting to DRM or piracy. http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/drm-talk/

11:29 TR Bot; Profiting From Inefficiency With DRM | Techrights

11:30 DaemonFC; The "obviously no hope at reform" people are the serial killers and rapists that Pritzker's people let out to abscond.

11:30 DaemonFC; The reason they got themselves in trouble was he couldn't get the one they rejected past them the first time.

11:30 DaemonFC; So he used a recess appointment.

11:30 DaemonFC; But her recess term expired and they had to do an up or down vote, so she's gone now.

11:31 DaemonFC; At the federal level, recess appointments are basically gone now.

11:31 TR News; ICBM Fedora doesn't value software freedom. It continues to outsource development to proprietary software controlled 100% by criminals at Microsoft. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-IoT-Better-Onboarding

11:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-IoT-Better-Onboarding

11:31 TR Bot; Looks To Better Onboarding For IoT/Edge Devices - Phoronix

11:31 DaemonFC; What happens is that the Senate goes into "pro forma sessions" over the breaks so that they can declare there's no business that day and then leave.

11:32 matey; What I'm really saying is that if there's any redeeming qualities about these people they parole <- i mean thats the whole point

11:32 matey; so thats good probably

11:32 DaemonFC; Even when Trump was in office, Mitch McConnell held those sessions to stop Trump from appointing anyone without the Senate's approval.

11:32 DaemonFC; They didn't trust their own president with it.

11:32 matey; nor should they

11:33 matey; whats he up to now

11:33 DaemonFC; McConnell? Minority Leader

11:33 matey; i mean trump

11:33 *SomeH4x0r has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)

11:33 DaemonFC; Camped out in Florida continuing to air his grievances. He's sued Hillary Clinton recently.

11:33 matey; lol

11:34 matey; maybe she will drone him

11:34 DaemonFC; Claiming that he was damaged by the Russia dossier in an election he won.

11:34 matey; showing who wears the pants in the former-white-house family

11:34 DaemonFC; He's obviously worried that Russia Russia Russia will be the theme if he comes back.

11:34 DaemonFC; Then he's so worried that he got on OANN yesterday and asked Putin directly to release damaging information about the Bidens.

11:34 matey; He's obviously worried that Russia Russia Russia <- i cant think of any reason why people would choose NOW to make a big deal about russia, no

11:35 schestowitz-TR; Moscow Mitch

11:35 DaemonFC; It's possible he's not entirely stable.

11:35 schestowitz-TR; Moscow Hitched

11:35 matey; i dont know if minority leader is an impeachable position?

11:35 matey; i swear theres some "equivalent" but its not impeachment, but if i knew i wouldnt be asking

11:36 matey; something i think i heard a year or two ago

11:36 DaemonFC; https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/31/tech/china-tech-unemployment-crisis-xi-challenge-intl-hnk/index.html

11:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/31/tech/china-tech-unemployment-crisis-xi-challenge-intl-hnk/index.html

11:36 TR Bot; Unemployment crisis: China's tech layoffs could become a self-inflicted headache for Xi - CNN

11:36 TR News; Web: Curl, Mozilla Firefox, Rust, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163183

11:36 TR Bot; Web: Curl, Mozilla Firefox, Rust, and More | Tux Machines

11:36 matey; oh, bother

11:36 DaemonFC; "According to Lagou, one of China's largest tech recruitment websites, 2.76 million tech employees marked their status on the platform as "left the job" in March 260,000 more than in December and about 60,000 more than the same month last year. Most of the job losses were concentrated in major cities such as Beijing, Shenzhen, Guangzhou, and Shanghai, Lagou added. "

11:36 DaemonFC; THEY TOOK MY JOB!

11:36 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: stay in your lane, CNN

11:36 schestowitz-TR; the US economy is rotting

11:36 DaemonFC; THEY TOOK HIS JERB! DEY TOOK HIS JERB!!!! DERKA DERRRRRRRR!!!!!

11:36 schestowitz-TR; China is at least still producing thingds

11:36 schestowitz-TR; *things

11:37 schestowitz-TR; WshPo (Bezos) is the same, wrt to Russia esp.

11:37 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Whataboutism.

11:37 schestowitz-TR; US economy: JOB GROWTH!!

11:37 schestowitz-TR; Russia: haha! ( (Nelson voice)

11:37 DaemonFC; Meanwhile, the US "tech" companies fire lots of people.

11:37 DaemonFC; Unreported.

11:37 matey; China is at least still producing thingds <- yes slave labour has a way of propping up an economy

11:37 schestowitz-TR; [11:36] [Notice] -TechrightsBot-tr to #techrights- edition.cnn.com | Unemployment crisis: China's tech layoffs could become a self-inflicted headache for Xi - CNN

11:37 schestowitz-TR; Xi Biden

11:38 schestowitz-TR; but this is CNN

11:38 matey; say it like james earl jones

11:38 schestowitz-TR; Unemployment crisis: US layoffs could become a self-inflicted headache for Biden

11:38 matey; "THIS is C N NNNNN"

11:38 schestowitz-TR; they just moved the words around alittle

11:38 schestowitz-TR; Biden ... GREAT STUFF!

11:39 schestowitz-TR; [11:37] <DaemonFC> Meanwhile, the US "tech" companies fire lots of people.

11:39 schestowitz-TR; False

11:39 schestowitz-TR; they "don' renew the contract"

11:39 schestowitz-TR; you know how it goes

11:39 schestowitz-TR; permatemps

11:39 matey; schestowitz-TR bad news about harfbuzz

11:39 schestowitz-TR; EPO has adopted a similar model

11:39 schestowitz-TR; "thank you for your service, goodbye!"

11:39 matey; it really isnt fluff

11:40 matey; i really dont know how they did text without it before. :/

11:40 matey; i mean obviously, roman text is a piece of cake.

11:40 schestowitz-TR; what happens if it is removed?

11:40 schestowitz-TR; suppose I just used latin charsets

11:40 matey; well let me illustrate with roman text

11:40 matey; instead of k you get | <

11:41 matey; or |[]

11:41 DaemonFC; https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/29/economy/us-job-openings-quits-february/index.html

11:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/29/economy/us-job-openings-quits-february/index.html

11:41 TR Bot; The great resignation continues: 4.4 million Americans quit their jobs last month - CNN

11:41 schestowitz-TR; hahaha

11:41 schestowitz-TR; "great resignation" lie

11:41 schestowitz-TR; I LOVE that lie

11:41 schestowitz-TR; people QUIT

11:41 DaemonFC; THEY QUIT THEIR JERB! DEY QUIT THEIR JERB!!!! DERKA DERRRRRRRR!!!!!

11:41 schestowitz-TR; the economy is SOOO GOOD

11:41 schestowitz-TR; that people just leave

11:41 schestowitz-TR; blame the peasants

11:41 schestowitz-TR; ICBM promotes this lie all the time

11:41 schestowitz-TR; CNN

11:42 schestowitz-TR; WashPo says the same

11:42 schestowitz-TR; See, that's why I ignore those sites

11:42 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I got Mandy in on the DERKA DERRRRRRR! joke (from South Park). I told him that people don't like immigrants because they see them as competition for "their" job.

11:42 matey; wazos

11:42 schestowitz-TR; they'ere "lying press"

11:42 matey; bepo

11:42 matey; the beez

11:42 DaemonFC; Meanwhile "they" (the citizens) get fired for standing around doing nothing and stealing Cokes out of the machine.

11:42 matey; /me likes "bepo

11:42 schestowitz-TR; they never criticise SweatshopZone

11:42 schestowitz-TR; which is what I call amazon

11:43 schestowitz-TR; it managed not only to profit from chinese sweatshos

11:43 matey; "but american ones as well!

11:43 schestowitz-TR; but to also treat its own direct stuff poorluy

11:43 schestowitz-TR; like puting them in sweaty jobvs running around, then discarded after 2 years when they get injured and burned out... and MIGHT - gasp - unionise

11:43 matey; amazon: we "fulfil" customers by creating sweatshops to draw more work out of sweatshops

11:44 DaemonFC; Coke is pretty twisted. They bought articles praising themselves for this model they have to standardize the flavor of their orange juice year round.

11:44 matey; then we call the sweatshops "fulfilment centres" like that isnt right out of fucking 1984

11:44 schestowitz-TR; yeah

11:44 schestowitz-TR; like it's santo HQ

11:44 DaemonFC; Supposedly, they can control for factors like weather, crop yield, types of oranges, etc.

11:44 schestowitz-TR; *santa

11:44 matey; happy little elves

11:44 matey; sprinkling pixie dust into every carton of goods

11:45 schestowitz-TR; "fulfilment"

11:45 schestowitz-TR; fulfilment is 5pm

11:45 schestowitz-TR; when they finally let you use the bathroom

11:45 matey; they can name the delivery drones dasher, dancer, comet, cupid etc

11:45 DaemonFC; "The Dark Side leaks to powers some would call...............UNNATURAL." < ----- Like Coca Cola orange juice tasting exactly the same with every bottle.

11:45 schestowitz-TR; and you can take off the spying bracelet

11:45 matey; one drone has a big red light on the front

11:45 DaemonFC; Natural things don't do that!

11:45 schestowitz-TR; they stop scoring you until the next day

11:45 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^

11:45 matey; oh wait no, its a laser

11:45 matey; and you can take off the spying bracelet <- "hey, these guys put bracelets on criminals-- LETS TREAT OUR EMPLOYEES THAT WAY!"

11:46 DaemonFC; And they never put their name anywhere. They're like Microsoft. It's never Coca Cola orange juice.

11:46 matey; that sounds like a sure road to "fulfilment"

11:46 DaemonFC; Coca Cola knows their own name is toxic, and calls it Simply Orange instead.

11:46 matey; coca cola orange juice sounds pretty disgusting

11:46 matey; also minute maid

11:46 DaemonFC; They don't want "consumers" to know how few choices there really are at the store.

11:46 DaemonFC; That a few companies run all of the "brands".

11:46 schestowitz-TR; old tactic

11:46 schestowitz-TR; they even buy health drunks

11:46 matey; or does pepsi own that now

11:47 schestowitz-TR; and water companies

11:47 matey; "vitamin water"

11:47 schestowitz-TR; so you think you canm get a non-coke choice

11:47 DaemonFC; Pepsi has an orange juice. "Tropicana"

11:47 schestowitz-TR; but you need to look closer at the packaging

11:47 DaemonFC; It's utterly disgusting too.

11:47 matey; "dasani"

11:47 schestowitz-TR; or follow the chain of ownereship

11:47 schestowitz-TR; "I don't use Facebook, I use insta instead"

11:47 DaemonFC; Tropicana is like really bitter and low quality, doesn't taste like oranges even.

11:47 schestowitz-TR; "I have Coke... I buy Fanta instead"

11:47 DaemonFC; Coke's product is at least orange juice.

11:47 matey; organ juice

11:47 schestowitz-TR; *hate

11:48 DaemonFC; I don't know what the fuck Tropicana is. Have you ever tasted an unripe banana? That's what Tropicana is to orange juice.

11:48 schestowitz-TR; chemical = tropical

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11:48 schestowitz-TR; imagary verbalised

11:48 matey; I don't know what the fuck Tropicana is <- a way for battery companies to unload some of their pollution back into the consumer supply chain

11:48 schestowitz-TR; *imagery and imagination

11:49 DaemonFC; Biting into an unripe banana is like "OMG, this tastes like green! Like, if green was a flavor, this is what green would taste like!".

11:49 schestowitz-TR; "holiday in a plastic bottle

11:49 schestowitz-TR; your friends will envy!!"

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11:50 matey; "hmm, weve destroyed all our brands and consolidated everything into 6 companies that produce food, not unlike the media"

11:50 matey; "no one wants any of our shit"

11:50 matey; !

11:50 matey; "i know! lets spin off some companies!"

11:50 matey; "yeah! thatll fix everything!"

11:51 TR News; Thankfully, over time more people will realise that 'free' video hosting isn't free and was never free. Vimeo, GulagTube etc. They get something from you, and you get nothing from them, except temporarily

11:51 DaemonFC; Their soda business is in trouble.

11:51 schestowitz-TR; mcdonalds has many drink options

11:51 schestowitz-TR; all from the sa,m compny

11:51 matey; the soda business is going to turn into the next tobacco company

11:51 DaemonFC; They returned it to profit by getting rid of a lot of their lower volume stuff and jacking up prices.

11:52 matey; it might take 50 years of course

11:52 schestowitz-TR; it's like fixedf royalty

11:52 matey; maybe in the future there will be the beverage equivalent of vaping

11:52 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, McDonalds actually figured out how to "optimize" those sodas too.

11:52 matey; its not like they havent already tried a couple times

11:52 matey; sodastream-- unpopular with liberals because israeli

11:53 DaemonFC; Like, accounting for ice melt, and using the precise mixtures of syrup to water, and how carbonated, exactly, the water should be.

11:53 matey; also its all fucking sucralose

11:53 DaemonFC; And the correct type of machines to serve it from.

11:53 DaemonFC; That's why a Diet Coke tastes better at McDonalds than anywhere else.

11:53 matey; and constantly bricking the milkshake machine so that they dont buy those instead!

11:53 DaemonFC; Despite being exactly the same soda syrup they sell to everyone else.

11:53 matey; "you want WATER? here, we have dasani!"

11:54 DaemonFC; You order a Coke at the Chinese restaurant, they don't care about quality control.

11:54 matey; they should just change the name to cocadonalds

11:54 matey; thats what it is

11:54 matey; mccola

11:54 DaemonFC; They skimp on the syrup to keep costs down.

11:54 DaemonFC; It's all watery and wrong.

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11:54 matey; "ill have cock"

11:54 matey; "okay, one cock"

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11:57 DaemonFC; I was talking to mom about McDonalds getting ready to automate everything. She said they couldn't do worse than the local one.

11:57 DaemonFC; Closed half the time because nobody wants to work.

11:57 DaemonFC; They were open the other day and gave her a raw hamburger.

11:58 matey; ugh

11:58 DaemonFC; "Meet your replacement!"

11:58 DaemonFC; Robot arm.

11:58 matey; "here you go, one burger"

11:58 matey; "um, youre not going to like..."

11:58 matey; "eh."

11:58 matey; im happy to say ive never had that happen

11:58 matey; then again i havent ordered a burger in ten years

11:58 DaemonFC; The McDonald's here hasn't ever given me anything other than the way I ordered it.

noon, March 31

12:00 matey; they wouldnt dare

12:00 DaemonFC; In my experience, there's two kinds of Mexican immigrants. The ones that are on the straight and narrow and run a tight ship (like the ones that own and run most of the McDonald's stores here) and the ones that are, well, not desirable at all, but the Democrats make sure they're out of the jail before ICE shows up for them.

12:00 DaemonFC; At least, as a group, they're a mixed bag.

12:00 DaemonFC; Puts them ahead of some. *cough*

12:00 matey; so mexico SOMETIMES sends us their best (despite what we were told a few years ago)

12:01 matey; /me pretends to wonder who *cough* referred to

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12:02 TR News; Links 31/03/2022: GNU Poke 2.3 and Ubuntu Kernel Fix | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/gnu-poke-2-3/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/gnu-poke-2-3/

12:02 TR Bot; Links 31/03/2022: GNU Poke 2.3 and Ubuntu Kernel Fix | Techrights

12:02 DaemonFC; I actually just laugh now at how much bullshit NPR and the rest manage to churn out.

12:02 DaemonFC; Black people on a grievance tour about everything from medical care to people watching them closely at the store.

12:03 TR News; GNU/Linux Skills and Linux Foundation Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163184

12:03 TR Bot; GNU/Linux Skills and Linux Foundation | Tux Machines

12:03 DaemonFC; They have a lot to complain about, but they're not happy with it, so they make other stuff up.

12:03 DaemonFC; Like doctors trying to kill them.

12:03 matey; im pretty sure EVERYONE is on a grievance tour about medical care, probably because its a terrible system

12:04 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: enough...

12:04 DaemonFC; "IT'S A GODDAMNED CONSPIRACY! AND YOU'RE IN ON IT, AND SO ARE YOU!" -NPR

12:04 schestowitz-TR; in the us, blacks and trans people suffer enough already

12:04 matey; npr isnt part of a conspiracy, so thats nice

12:04 schestowitz-TR; stop picking on them in a tech channel

12:04 DaemonFC; Like Ron White said, he was profiled.

12:05 DaemonFC; The cops were pulling over everyone driving down that particular sidewalk.

12:06 DaemonFC; <matey> npr isnt part of a conspiracy, so thats nice

12:06 DaemonFC; NPR is part of a conspiracy.

12:06 matey; that was the joke yes

12:07 DaemonFC; They've been gutted and turned into a meat puppet for the 1% to look like they're "public radio". Now, in 2003, NPR listeners were better informed than cabloid news "consumers".

12:07 matey; something we agree on

12:07 DaemonFC; 33% of Fox News viewers at the time thought there were WMDs in Iraq, and 20% for CNN, and 11% for NPR.

12:08 matey; this is why we cant have nice things

12:08 DaemonFC; So obviously, Bush had to corrupt NPR. So he cut their funding in half and Mr. Bill, Walmart, Exxon, Bezos, Koch Industries, and so on came in to fund it.

12:08 matey; we make them, then a bunch of dicks in suits decide they own everything, so push over

12:08 schestowitz-TR; the "patriots"

12:08 schestowitz-TR; the

12:08 schestowitz-TR; "job creators"

12:08 matey; nixon also corrupted npr

12:09 matey; but this doesnt negate bush making it even worse

12:09 matey; and Mr. Bill, Walmart, Exxon, Bezos, Koch Industries, and so on came in to fund it. <- at least this didnt turn npr into a bullshit shell of its former self. they have "standards"

12:10 DaemonFC; It would be better if Fox News viewers were seriously uninformed. Instead of admitting that they know nothing, they just regurgitate the bullshit. Like, if anyone remembers anything, it'll be there were WMDs in Iraq because Bill O'Reilly said there were.

12:10 matey; if you have any real news, theres a "tiny desk" for it

12:10 matey; next to the worlds tiniest violin

12:10 matey; It would be better if Fox News viewers were seriously uninformed. <- if only it were possible

12:10 DaemonFC; I actually asked one of them on Amazon Forums years later to show me which WMDs were found in Iraq.

12:11 matey; tubes!

12:11 DaemonFC; And they linked to an article about some expired mustard gas left over from the Iran-Iraq war.

12:11 matey; which rumsfeld sold them

12:11 matey; "you want them back now?"

12:11 matey; "is there a refund?"

12:12 matey; "theyre probably not any good, but if you want to come pick them up..."

12:12 matey; and they probably left them there after invading. Liars!

12:12 matey; "we got the tubes though. we were worried about saddam having an erector set"

12:18 matey; they were right about one thing, saddam had Wealth to be Made into Dollars

12:19 DaemonFC; Well, when they found Saddam in a hole, he had a bunch of US Dollars with him.

12:20 DaemonFC; Obviously, he had tried to escape and buy his way into some other country that wouldn't extradite, like the Nazis.

12:20 DaemonFC; But he had waited too long and couldn't get out.

12:20 matey; putlin is in ukr because he found out they have wtbmirs

12:22 matey; Obviously, he had tried to escape and buy his way into some other country that wouldn't extradite <- im not sure a lack of extradition treaty really helps when theyre willing to pretend saudi arabia is really your country as a reason to invade and kill you.

12:22 matey; but i suppose it would have made things easier if he had just stayed in the fucking palace

12:26 TR News; Blair Vidakovich on GNU as a Movement | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/gnu-as-a-movement/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/gnu-as-a-movement/

12:26 TR Bot; Blair Vidakovich on GNU as a Movement | Techrights

12:27 TR News; Blair is a community organizer and software freedom advocate from Perth, Western Australia." http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/gnu-as-a-movement/

12:30 schestowitz-TR; https://nitter.eu/mafui504/status/1509473597907103747#m

12:30 TR Bot; (@mafui504): "Did he even watch the movie?" | nitter

12:31 schestowitz; https://twitter.com/Wikinaut/status/1509277525339521043

12:31 TR Bot; cc @zoobab @schestowitz https://t.co/vO4iwmfNpp

12:31 TR Bot; The Russian govt legalizes parallel imports: the sale of goods without the permission of copyright holders. The https://t.co/DyqdHQY9Gn

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12:56 TR News; Gemini address: . It's basically becoming a noise machine, rapidly turning into a form of advertising, not a tool of communication. It's part [cref 157252 of a broader trend], which I think should compel more people to leave for good. It's becoming more about indoctrination/propaganda than <em>anything</em> else. <a href="#top"></a>

12:56 TR News; As Twitter Activity Decreases (Twitter Channels the Remaining Traffic Into Fewer Accounts for Engagement&#8221;), Notifications Transition Into ICYMI Mode (SPAM) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/twitter-is-clickbait/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/twitter-is-clickbait/

12:57 TR Bot; As Twitter Activity Decreases (Twitter Channels the Remaining Traffic Into Fewer Accounts for Engagement), Notifications Transition Into ICYMI Mode (SPAM) | Techrights

12:58 TR News; Installation and Review of Bodhi Linux [Lightweight Distro] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163185

12:58 TR Bot; Installation and Review of Bodhi Linux [Lightweight Distro] | Tux Machines

12:58 TR News; 5 Best Free and Open Source Continuous Integration Systems Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163186

12:58 TR Bot; 5 Best Free and Open Source Continuous Integration Systems | Tux Machines

12:58 TR News; LibreOffice 7.3.2 Community available for download Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163187

12:58 TR Bot; LibreOffice 7.3.2 Community available for download | Tux Machines

12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.55 k/sec., IPFS upstream 69.00 average k/sec., average swarm size 442.18

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13:08 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163188

13:08 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

13:09 TR News; When I left Twitter a month ago (account still online, but itll never be active again) it felt like the platform had become a provocation machine, prioritising emotional reaction (e.g. clickbait) instead of substance one actually subscribed for (followed); it has gotten even worse since http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/twitter-is-clickbait/

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13:32 bnchs; hey guys have you ever heard of this

13:32 bnchs; https://wearexena.com/

13:32 TR Bot; We Are Xena | Tech Recruitment for Women in Engineering and Product

13:33 bnchs; "diversity" trolls who only recruit woman

13:33 bnchs; "we only recruit women"

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13:33 bnchs; "diversity matters"

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13:35 bnchs; a sexist "diversity" troll company that hires only women

13:35 matey; /me wants diversity without the corporate fuckery and the ultra-left communism, its the best kind

13:36 bnchs; https://wearexena.com/a-trans-perspective-what-its-really-like-for-women-in-tech/

13:36 TR Bot; A Trans Perspective: What Its Really Like For Women In Tech - Xena

13:36 bnchs; "At first I was working on computers as a hobby. It was just a fun thing to do in my spare time. I started getting involved in the free and open-source software community. But then off the back of that I got offered a position at Microsoft. That led to my whole professional career, working with computers."

13:36 bnchs; "a position at Microsoft"

13:36 bnchs; makes sense

13:36 matey; But then off the back of that I got offered a position at Microsoft. <- there was the first mistake

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13:37 matey; /me goes to read the article

13:37 schestowitz-TR; working for crime

13:37 schestowitz-TR; there's ethics for you

13:37 schestowitz-TR; diversity

13:37 schestowitz-TR; even women can participate in the crime

13:37 schestowitz-TR; win!

13:37 matey; lets be fair, its not all crime

13:37 matey; theres quite a lot of theft, too

13:37 bnchs; i hate these "diversity" troll companies

13:37 schestowitz-TR; there is a veiled purpose to it

13:38 bnchs; claiming to be "diverse" by excluding certain races and genders

13:38 schestowitz-TR; it provokes people

13:38 schestowitz-TR; for stroing reaction

13:38 schestowitz-TR; and then helps remove opinionated people

13:38 schestowitz-TR; leaving only docile obedient people who don't ask questions

13:38 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: I just did a video about west africa

13:38 schestowitz-TR; and EPO

13:38 schestowitz-TR; it covers Microsoft

13:38 schestowitz-TR; and corruption

13:40 matey; other than being a softie promoting microsoft i cant find anything wrong with it

13:40 schestowitz; the example above is extra toxic

13:40 schestowitz; as it involves one of the most hated group everywhere

13:40 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2019/10/20/understanding-autism/

13:40 TR Bot; Guest Post: Understanding Autism for More Complete Inclusion | Techrights

13:40 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/12/12/exploiting-autistic-people/

13:40 TR Bot; EPO Management Now Exploits Autistic People as White-washing Communication Exercise for an Organization Which Has Breached Fundamental Rights | Techrights

13:40 schestowitz; those are old tactics

13:40 schestowitz; also, as a side perk:

13:40 schestowitz; they help lower salaries

13:41 matey; theres a difference at least

13:41 schestowitz; whereas if we had a truly free market, salaries would inreas

13:41 matey; in that the trans advocate seems mostly happy with microsoft

13:41 schestowitz; in line with skills and demand for skills

13:41 schestowitz; matey: it's a marketing site

13:41 matey; of course it is

13:41 schestowitz; it does not tell the full story

13:41 schestowitz; wait

13:41 matey; microsoft is a horrible company

13:41 schestowitz; you want me to give you examples of transd peoppple who spilled the beans?

13:41 schestowitz; or gay people?>

13:41 matey; im only commenting on the article-- i dont doubt for a moment the context is dubious

13:41 schestowitz; \many women sue Microsoft

13:42 schestowitz; so thuis is smoke and mirrors

13:42 matey; i dont doubt it for a second

13:42 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2015/10/11/microsoft-sexism-lawsuits/

13:42 TR Bot; Dont Look at Linux For Sexism, Look at Microsoft (Although Microsoft Hides the Newest Lawsuits) | Techrights

13:42 bnchs; wow

13:42 matey; /me thinks roy forgets how much of techrights he has seen...

13:42 bnchs; so basically this website is just smokescreen for microsoft?

13:43 matey; well the fact that it paints microsoft in a good light sort of clinches it

13:43 schestowitz; probably other companies

13:43 schestowitz; they find that cheaper

13:43 schestowitz; than settling lawsuit

13:43 schestowitz; pay some PR firms

13:43 schestowitz; stuff the search engine

13:43 matey; i believe wha ti said was: 12:40 <matey> other than being a softie promoting microsoft i cant find anything wrong with it

13:43 schestowitz; Microsoft <3 women

13:43 bnchs; "You mentioned you were on the Diversity Board at Microsoft."

13:43 schestowitz; Microsoft <3 trans

13:43 schestowitz; Microsoft <3 Linux

13:43 schestowitz; Microsoft <3 ethics

13:43 schestowitz; there are even articles saying Microsoft was voted MOST ETHICAL company

13:43 matey; microsoft <3 everything

13:43 bnchs; uhhh she's on the diversity board at microsoft?

13:43 matey; so everything MUST love microsoft

13:43 schestowitz; just to throw people off the scent

13:44 schestowitz; Microsoft loves bombs

13:44 schestowitz; Microsoft loves Russia

13:44 schestowitz; Microsoft loves Putin

13:44 matey; there are even articles saying Microsoft was voted MOST ETHICAL company <- among companies with a controlling share in github, yes

13:44 schestowitz; But Microsoft loves diversity

13:44 schestowitz; just likme Putin does

13:44 schestowitz; ask pussy riot

13:44 schestowitz; anyway, the web is full of fake fake fake

13:44 bnchs; the article talks a ton about microsoft

13:44 schestowitz; hence I try to switch it off where possible

13:44 matey; fortunately. as the WORLDS most ethical company, we can soon count on microsoft to impose their coc on all of us

13:45 bnchs; lots of microsoft supported me

13:45 bnchs; microsoft paid my costs

13:45 bnchs; microsoft is good

13:45 matey; <schestowitz> anyway, the web is full of fake fake fake <- tell me about it

13:45 schestowitz; bribes too

13:45 schestowitz; microsoft bribes 'journalists'

13:45 schestowitz; and then they give back

13:45 schestowitz; it's a criminal company

13:45 schestowitz; anything else would bne spurious

13:45 schestowitz; or PR

13:45 schestowitz; or peolple repeating PR

13:45 schestowitz; like Putin/RT

13:46 schestowitz; #GatesPartner

13:46 schestowitz; #GatesPartnerUnder18

13:46 matey; its important to note that certain groups of people do not have any shills among them

13:46 schestowitz; #GatesRichPeople

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13:46 schestowitz; "EPO in Africa: Microsoft, Corruption, and Colonialism"

13:46 matey; it cant be blacks because malcolm x talked about how awful black shills were

13:46 schestowitz; My nest headline

13:47 matey; it cant be gays, because josh simmons is a shill

13:47 matey; its certainly cant be white men, because-- fuck, a LOT of white men are terrible fucking shills (including simmons)

13:47 bnchs; its the opposite now

13:47 schestowitz-TR; simmons is neither

13:47 schestowitz-TR; simmons is a tool

13:48 matey; you can say that again

13:48 bnchs; jobs rejecting white men without saying its because of their race or gener

13:48 schestowitz-TR; men don't behave like kids

13:48 schestowitz-TR; or speak like them

13:48 bnchs; all in the name of diversity

13:48 bnchs; because fuck white men

13:48 schestowitz-TR; maybe in 10 years companies will hire 6 year olds

13:48 matey; still, the diversity craze is losing steam

13:48 schestowitz-TR; for "diversity"

13:48 schestowitz-TR; anythign else is ageism

13:48 bnchs; they will reject 18 year olds

13:48 bnchs; or older

13:48 matey; maybe because the corporations thought the best response to blm was feign completely agreement and let it run out of steam on its own

13:48 bnchs; because diversity

13:49 schestowitz; BillBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-32771247

13:49 TR Bot; The six-year-old computer whizz who passed Microsoft exam - BBC News

13:49 schestowitz; https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/pakistan-news/four-year-old-pakistan-girl-areesh-fatima-becomes-youngest-microsoft-professional.html

13:49 schestowitz; me:

13:49 TR Bot; Four-year-old Pakistan girl Areesh Fatima becomes youngest Microsoft professional

13:49 matey; the corporations felt they were the hostage, and they shot the hostage (themselves)

13:49 schestowitz; OK, so even a little kid can pass it

13:49 schestowitz; now I feel a lot better about my cert!

13:49 matey; but diversity was a GREAT BIT for industry

13:49 matey; fuck these hippies, they arent diverse like us!

13:49 matey; you need a suit and tie to care about humanity

13:49 bnchs; hot news

13:49 matey; so that was fun while it lasted

13:50 bnchs; a baby manages to pass microsoft exam

13:50 matey; "we move on"

13:50 schestowitz; yeah

13:50 matey; forward, to ETHICS!

13:50 schestowitz; but that's not how BillBC puts it

13:50 bnchs; so now he designs pages for government websites

13:50 matey; not ethical source, no... just ethics!

13:50 schestowitz; microsof <3 kids

13:50 schestowitz; #GatesPartner

13:50 matey; we are introducing ETHICS to free software FOR THE FIRST TIME

13:50 schestowitz; Gates Foundation loves kids

13:50 schestowitz; in a plane, too

13:50 matey; hooray, finally free software is ethical

13:50 matey; thanks brad!

13:50 schestowitz; and sandler

13:50 matey; oh of course

13:50 schestowitz; tim and tam

13:51 bnchs; hmm i wonder whats brad doing now

13:51 matey; thanks karen "i want to speak to the manager" sandler!

13:52 matey; hmm i wonder whats brad doing now <- writing a book about ethics

13:52 matey; the first one ever

13:52 schestowitz; don choo no microsot loves all the children

13:52 schestowitz; and it loves sfc

13:52 schestowitz; and gpl

13:52 schestowitz; and copyleft

13:52 schestowitz; they sent their lopngtime shill to keynote

13:52 matey; bringing ethics to a heathen world, like jesus in a tie *rewrites the george michael song*

13:52 matey; microsoft <3 copyleft

13:52 bnchs; https://github.com/RIAEvangelist/is-my-node-supply-chain-secure

13:52 TR Bot; - RIAEvangelist/is-my-node-supply-chain-secure: Scans your computer for node modules that are potentially vulnerable to supply chain attacks. You still need to review the code of modules that are not vulnerable, but this helps.

13:52 bnchs; hypocrite

13:53 schestowitz; 14 years ago: https://techrights.org/2008/03/11/microsoft-invades-foss/comment-page-2/

13:53 TR Bot; Speculation: Who or What is Walli? (Or How Microsoft Invades FOSS) | Techrights

13:53 schestowitz; Brad gave (sold) this man the podium http://techrights.org/2013/06/27/stephen-walli-and-srinivasan/ https://techrights.org/2010/05/19/mole-becomes-cto-of-codeplex/

13:53 TR Bot; Insulting GNU/Linux and Free Software, Courtesy of Microsoft Moles | Techrights

13:53 TR Bot; Stephen Walli is Back at Software Patents Aggressor Microsoft After Causing Damage to Software Freedom | Techrights

13:53 matey; yes and in 2021 theyre still invading *cough* "open source

13:53 schestowitz; in a conference about WHAT HE IS ATTACKING

13:53 matey; "even the open software foundation

13:54 matey; Brad gave (sold) this man the podium <- like jesus in a tie

13:54 schestowitz; well, thew handlr was deb

13:54 matey; he was just being magnanimous

13:54 schestowitz; according to sfc

13:54 schestowitz; she did it two years ina row

13:54 schestowitz; then moved to osi

13:54 schestowitz; then coordinated with bully

13:54 matey; well if anyone is more like jesus than brad, its deb

13:54 schestowitz; then left

13:54 schestowitz; like simmons

13:55 matey; im still having trouble understanding HOW brad is attacking copyleft. because im sure he believes he is helping it.

13:56 schestowitz-TR; it's complicated

13:56 schestowitz-TR; he promotes copyleft

13:56 schestowitz-TR; but other baggage

13:56 matey; and when someone really believes theyre helping- yeah, its complicated

13:56 schestowitz-TR; there are parallel example

13:56 schestowitz-TR; here's a story

13:56 schestowitz-TR; brace yourself

13:56 matey; oh so hes weighing it down with ballast

13:56 schestowitz-TR; in 2009-2012 ish I watched tons of atheist videos in gulagtube

13:56 matey; no that seems plausible

13:56 schestowitz-TR; back then youtube was still not so bad

13:56 schestowitz-TR; there was also a good community

13:56 schestowitz-TR; and free speech was a thing

13:56 matey; another era

13:57 schestowitz-TR; to get banned for "offence" you'd likely need some copyright pretext

13:57 schestowitz-TR; like using "too much" of someone's clip

13:57 matey; even debian was pretty good back then

13:57 schestowitz-TR; anyway, things started to erode

13:57 matey; mmhmm

13:57 schestowitz-TR; as some people brought in atheism+

13:57 schestowitz-TR; atheism+ was not atheism

13:57 schestowitz-TR; it was militant feminism

13:57 schestowitz-TR; shoehorned using atheist

13:57 matey; the ultra left strikes again

13:57 schestowitz-TR; which was a hot topic,even back then

13:58 schestowitz-TR; so basically they're mixing things

13:58 schestowitz-TR; like anti-war and gay rights

13:58 matey; so this is what brads doing to copyleft

13:58 schestowitz-TR; are you anti-war? see you all tonight at the gay bar

13:58 schestowitz-TR; the issue FSF has is

13:58 schestowitz-TR; pepple uses FSF to advance other things

13:58 schestowitz-TR; Geoff and RMS repeatedly said it's about one thing

13:58 schestowitz-TR; software. freedom.

13:58 schestowitz-TR; not russia, or ukraine, or...

13:59 schestowitz-TR; but people who support FSF have belief in other things

13:59 matey; imo there should be OTHER GROUPS promoting the overlap of freesw with other things

13:59 schestowitz-TR; some try to use their ties to FSF to promote other things

13:59 matey; but then the fsf does something very stupid

13:59 schestowitz-TR; like daemonfc interjecting his racist tripe here

13:59 matey; rms does articles weighing in on topics he knows fuck all about really

13:59 matey; which is okay

13:59 matey; its his right

13:59 matey; but then it becomes part of the fsf website...

13:59 schestowitz-TR; his site

13:59 schestowitz-TR; not gnu

13:59 schestowitz-TR; not fsf

13:59 matey; no no

2 PM, March 31

14:00 schestowitz-TR; it even says that at the top

14:00 matey; when its on his website its totally fine!

14:00 matey; dont get me wrong

14:00 matey; i mean his stuff about free culture and free hardware for example

14:00 schestowitz-TR; i put my things about covid only in my site

14:00 matey; the fsf campaigns against free culture

14:00 matey; with fud

14:00 matey; you do too-- every time you spread that nonsense about no-derivs

14:00 bnchs; how?

14:00 matey; but techrights isnt a 501c3

14:01 matey; its worse when the fsf does it

14:01 bnchs; whats the fud?

14:01 matey; bnchs: ill get to that

14:01 matey; but anyway

14:01 matey; when this is rms on his personal blog NO PROBLEM

14:01 matey; hes got a right to have a personal opinion

14:02 matey; other people disagree with that-- i dont

14:02 matey; when its an article on the fsf website, and its not about free software...

14:02 bnchs; matey: ok link one

14:02 matey; hes ensuring that those groups will come to the fsf to fight for those causes

14:02 matey; ive probably read it

14:03 matey; theres been a cold war going on between free software and free culture for at least a decade

14:03 matey; probably 2

14:03 matey; there are many free software people-- even who come here-- who point this out

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14:03 matey; and its because the fsf got involved (imo)

14:04 matey; and then you had people from cc coming to the fsf

14:04 matey; which is okay

14:04 matey; but because of "the war" it was all a disaster

14:04 bnchs; what war?

14:04 matey; note i always blame both sides for this-- but the fsf was part of the problem

14:04 matey; bnchs: the one youll hear about if you pay attention to (other) people coming here to talk about it

14:04 matey; its not a new war, its an old ongoing one

14:05 matey; between the fsf and free culture (fuck cc, they can drop in the ocean)

14:05 matey; cc isnt free culture (it could have been)

14:06 matey; former vp mike linksvayer tried to tranform cc into a free culture outfit-- he failed

14:06 matey; he had some good ideas

14:06 matey; imo they stopped being worth a penny the minute he failed

14:07 matey; fsf made all of this worse

14:07 matey; they propped up the wrong side

14:07 matey; the side that actually hurts their own goals-- it was so stupid

14:07 matey; ensuring the war would go on forever-- or until the fsf was destroyed

14:07 matey; this isnt why the fsf is failing

14:07 matey; its why they dont have more allies

14:08 matey; its also the reason i stopped giving them money

14:08 matey; its not just me, this is the #1 longest running cause the fsf stands against (other than non-free software)

14:09 matey; its probably the reason david revoy signed the fucking letter (linksvayer did too)

14:09 matey; he shouldnt have

14:12 matey; bnchs: rms (regarding free software) has said for years that copyright doesnt "protect a work"

14:12 matey; when he talks about "works of opinion" he does a complete and logical 180 and acts like it does (he was right the first time-- if copyright protected a work, people couldnt have taken his emails out of context-- they werent under a free license)

14:13 matey; so we have this life-changing event to show how right he is about how copyright doesnt "protect" a work

14:13 bnchs; so basically

14:13 matey; and he still plasters bullshit about no-derivs all over the fsf and/or gnu website implying it does

14:13 bnchs; copyright does protect a work

14:13 bnchs; if you have enough resources

14:13 bnchs; otherwise GPL and shit would not work

14:14 matey; well thats another thing

14:14 matey; copyright DOES protect a work when its copyleft, i guess

14:14 matey; but AGAIN-- there are copyleft free culture licenses

14:14 matey; and ONCE AGAIN, the protection ONLY applies (magically, through the forces of handwavy bullshit) to software

14:15 matey; and not works of opinion

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14:15 matey; for software you cant have no-derivs and it wont help!

14:15 matey; for OPINIONS no-derivs gives protection but copyleft wont!

14:15 matey; (but it will, but hes full of shit)

14:15 matey; now heres the important part

14:16 matey; THERES LITERALLY AN ENTIRE MOVEMENT that knows hes full of shit about this.

14:16 matey; but the fsf has to spread fud agaisnt that movement

14:16 matey; NOT to protect free software

14:16 matey; ONLY to "protect" stallmans "works of opinion"

14:16 matey; its bloody fucking ridiculous

14:16 matey; but again-- this has cost the fsf loads of support over the years

14:16 matey; from people who are both free software AND free culture advocates

14:17 matey; who fucking hate the fsf spreading fud against their movement

14:17 matey; its dumb, worthless fud

14:17 matey; and when you pay the fsf, one of the things you pay them to do

14:17 matey; is campaign against this (hardly free-software-related-- but SORT of related) cause

14:17 matey; so i stopped giving them money, hoping someday they would change

14:18 matey; its been a number of years now

14:18 matey; they wont likely change this as long as stallman is there

14:18 matey; this is the fsfs fault really-- but, in fairness

14:18 matey; free software is not faultless here either

14:18 matey; sorry

14:19 matey; free culture is not faultless here either

14:19 matey; both sides have fucked up

14:19 matey; since free culture has never had a REAL organisation for more than 5 minutes-- something i campaigned for years ago

14:19 matey; theres no free culture foundation we can blame

14:20 matey; there was however. students for free culture renamed themselves the free culture foundation at one point

14:20 matey; but rms could have done more from a twitter account than the fcf managed to do for themselves as an org

14:21 matey; and cc isnt a free culture organisation, though a lot of people wished it had become one

14:21 schestowitz-TR; cc is not softare

14:21 schestowitz-TR; don't overmix imho

14:21 matey; <schestowitz-TR> cc is not softare <- wrong and wrong wrong

14:21 schestowitz-TR; "we support free software"

14:21 matey; <schestowitz-TR> don't overmix imho <- tell the fsf, you werent paying attention.

14:21 schestowitz-TR; someone in the crowd: BUT WHAT ABOUT THE WOMEN?

14:22 matey; first of all, youre wrong that cc isnt software

14:22 schestowitz-TR; I amm trying something

14:22 matey; cc0 is on the gpl-compatible licenses page on the fsf website

14:22 schestowitz-TR; so did not read all the above just yet

14:22 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/president-meme.jpg

14:22 matey; cc0 software IS FREE SOFTWARE (per the fsfs own website)

14:22 matey; second, the cc licenses are now gpl-compatible

14:22 matey; i said they werent in an email to rms

14:23 matey; he said no, some of the cc 4.0 license are gpl-compatible and can be used for free software

14:23 matey; whether they SHOULD be is another matter-- the fsf doesnt encourage that

14:23 matey; but at least one of the 4.0 licenses is gpl-compatible

14:23 matey; and thus can be used as a free software license

14:23 matey; so this <schestowitz-TR> cc is not softare <- simply untrue

14:24 matey; there was a cc0 "licensed" game someone made a year ago

14:24 matey; i suggested you mention it, since it was a new free software game

14:24 matey; for whatever reason you chose not to

14:24 matey; i thought you were interested in free software games. the assets were also cc0

14:25 matey; LITERALLY ANY gpl licensed game could have used any part of that work-- software or game assets

14:25 matey; maybe you thought cc0 wasnt software. but you could have gone to the fsf licenses page and checked

14:28 matey; a public domain dedication is also considered gpl compatible

14:28 matey; the problem with a public domain dedication is it wont have any effect in finland (for example)

14:28 matey; if you want to submit something to the public domain in finland you have to find some way to die first

14:29 matey; but you CAN use a free license, so cc0 is a public domain dedication first, and a fallback license if the dedication doesnt work

14:29 matey; and since the fallback license (successfully) grants everything it possibly can grant to the recipient

14:30 matey; its gpl-compatible even in finland

14:30 matey; this means cc0 is actually more gpl-compatible than a public domain dedication is.

14:30 matey; and thats why it should be used instead of a pdd.

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14:39 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22032946

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14:39 matey; what i like about openbsd is that regardless of how they spend their spare time, they wash their hands afterwards

14:40 matey; its lennart and co who demand to leave stiff socks and sticky tissues all over my computer, no matter where i go to get away from them

14:40 matey; linus must be the only monkey in finland who doesnt masturbate, so he has greg come to do it for him, thats so much better

14:41 MinceR; i thought he moved to the USA

14:42 matey; yes, like so many uppity europeans who spend a lifetime looking down their noses at americans only to become one

14:42 matey; but i still think of him as a finn (if he claims finnish-american i have no quarrel with that)

14:42 matey; so s/monkey in/monkey from/ just to be completely correct

14:43 matey; i still think of him as a finn because ive always thought of him as one, and the times ive heard about him being in the states i can count on one... well i better not, or he might comment on how i spend my spare time as well

14:44 matey; but at least i can count the instances with one hand free.

14:45 matey; the short but less amusing version is hes a fucking hypocrite, but that shouldnt be news to anyone by now

14:46 matey; for a long time he managed to keep a lot of bullshit from getting into the kernel

14:46 matey; meanwhile, the "masturbating monkeys" CONTINUE to keep a lot of bullshit from getting into the kernel

14:46 matey; maybe its like they say, and a reasonable amount of masturbation is truly harmless.

14:47 matey; but i dont know how people are raised in finland. maybe his hands were too cold, i couldnt tell you.

14:47 matey; "shit! cold hands!"

14:47 matey; "i think ill just type something instead"

14:48 matey; linux: cures masturbation... at least for the first couple decades

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14:51 XRevan86; "Agency" renamed itself back to Proekt

14:52 matey; what is it

14:52 XRevan86; A Russian investigative and news resource

14:52 matey; still?

14:53 XRevan86; https://proekt.media/en/home/

14:53 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://proekt.media/en/home/ )

14:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: proekt.media | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://proekt.media/en/home/

14:53 matey; but i mean, even now?

14:53 matey; the story goes theyre all mouthpieces now

14:53 matey; but maybe thats an overgeneralisation

14:53 XRevan86; Independent media exists, it just functions from abroad.

14:53 matey; that was my other guess

14:53 XRevan86; Like Media, The Insider, Mediazona, et al.

14:54 schestowitz-TR; [14:52] <XRevan86> A Russian investigative and news resource

14:54 schestowitz-TR; Europe needs one

14:54 schestowitz-TR; it doesn't have it

14:54 schestowitz-TR; European policians have become 'masturbating monkeys'

14:54 matey; ugh

14:54 schestowitz-TR; celebrating low corruption

14:54 schestowitz-TR; and then citing themselves as proof

14:54 XRevan86; I wonder if they can restore all the publications they purged when they closed Proekt the first time.

14:54 matey; siding with linus is only one step removed from siding with jim at this point

14:55 schestowitz-TR; jim is a liar

14:55 schestowitz-TR; even before he knew what Linux is

14:55 matey; linus is full of shit

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14:55 schestowitz-TR; he did lying for a living

14:55 matey; there are nuanced differences

14:55 schestowitz-TR; and he still does

14:55 matey; jim is worse

14:55 schestowitz-TR; so not much adaptation was needed

14:55 XRevan86; Seems like they have.

14:55 matey; he did lying for a living <- and linus only spread bullshit as a charity

14:55 matey; he does a lot of work for it but doesnt like to talk about it

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14:56 matey; linus was an anti-free software shill for most of his career

14:56 matey; now hes done

14:56 matey; basically

14:56 XRevan86; Compliance became impossible, so they just stop compromising.

14:57 schestowitz-TR; matey: now he's the mascot

14:57 schestowitz-TR; the cameo

14:57 matey; granted the ways he shilled were LARGELY compatible with free softwares image

14:57 schestowitz-TR; "stay here and smile"

14:57 matey; <schestowitz-TR> matey: now he's the mascot

14:57 schestowitz-TR; "your face has market value"

14:57 matey; good thing theres already a penguin

14:57 matey; or they might dress him up as a monkey

14:57 schestowitz-TR; "just do what we tell you... about rust... and tRust Microsoft"

14:58 matey; i imagine penguins have a more difficult time with those flippers

14:58 matey; but i dont really know

14:58 schestowitz-TR; linus loves diving

14:58 matey; me pictures alan partridge when he breaks his hand, looking at the splint

14:58 schestowitz-TR; penguins are good at it

14:58 schestowitz-TR; that's how they catch fish

14:59 matey; yes, flippers are certainly good for something

14:59 schestowitz-TR; spanking

14:59 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/11/21/sending-linus-torvalds-to-therapists/

14:59 TR Bot; [Meme] They Send Linus Torvalds to Therapists While Microsoft Pays Their Full Salary | Techrights

14:59 matey; jim really is a dick

14:59 schestowitz; microsoft loves [spanking] linux/linus

3 PM, March 31

15:05 matey; when i look at jim zemlin i always think its ed begley jr

15:05 matey; of course ed begley looks a lot older now

15:05 matey; so give jim another 10-20 years

15:06 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wahlberg

15:06 TR Bot; Mark Wahlberg - Wikipedia

15:06 schestowitz; zemlin

15:06 schestowitz; except without tact

15:06 schestowitz; zemlin at TED: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/What-the-Tech-Industry-Has-Learned-from-Linus-Torvalds_-Jim-Zemlin-at-TEDxConcordia-U-Portland.mp4

15:06 schestowitz; fake zemlin at red 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_2

15:06 TR Bot; Ted 2 - Wikipedia

15:06 matey; i suppose their facial shapes have some commonalities

15:07 schestowitz; not just that

15:07 schestowitz; they are both actors

15:07 matey; of course

15:07 matey; /me wonders what the stuffed gnu would say if it could talk

15:07 matey; surely it would have a boston accent like ted

15:07 matey; and wahlberg

15:07 schestowitz; all jim needs not is a self-described "filmmaker" like spamnil

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15:08 schestowitz; 8 days, 9 video views

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15:09 matey; all jim needs not is a self-described "filmmaker" i know the perfect man for the job

15:09 matey; kanye west

15:09 matey; this is just the sort of thing kanye can get behind

15:10 schestowitz-TR; btw some of these views are spamnil and the guests checking the upload

15:10 matey; plus im sure he can hold a camera

15:10 schestowitz-TR; this is how they killed linux.com

15:10 schestowitz-TR; they did an elop on it

15:10 schestowitz-TR; put incompetent person in charge

15:10 schestowitz-TR; post some pro-Microsoft trash

15:10 schestowitz-TR; and there, your audience is gone very quickly

15:11 matey; kanye does fashion now

15:11 schestowitz-TR; ha

15:11 matey; lf does events

15:11 schestowitz-TR; to be fair, I like/d some of his music

15:11 matey; there can be linux shoes, $500 a pair

15:11 schestowitz-TR; he does have some talent

15:11 matey; to be fair, I like/d some of his music <- i dont hate him or anything

15:11 schestowitz-TR; GNU would tkae cornell west

15:11 matey; but you CAN make fun of something by putting kanye in charge of it

15:12 schestowitz-TR; he's more fitting for freesw

15:12 schestowitz-TR; and says outrageous things, like rms

15:12 matey; so was eben moglen :/

15:12 schestowitz-TR; kwest is like linus

15:12 schestowitz-TR; talks trash

15:12 schestowitz-TR; cwest is a genius

15:12 schestowitz-TR; hence the system rejects him

15:12 schestowitz-TR; even his own UNI!!

15:13 matey; that does sound vaguely familiar

15:13 matey; oh yes

15:14 matey; i hope that stunt costs mit some future professors

15:14 matey; it would serve them fucking right

15:14 matey; first they killed aaron

15:14 matey; then they wrongfully fired rms

15:14 matey; they used to be cool

15:14 schestowitz-TR; they are cool

15:15 matey; bah

15:15 schestowitz-TR; with spstein/gates

15:15 matey; oh right

15:15 schestowitz-TR; they covered for them

15:15 matey; they really picked a winner there

15:15 schestowitz-TR; to pretect the ral culprits

15:15 schestowitz-TR; they even asked gates lawsyers

15:15 matey; maybe gates will get an honourary degree from them

15:15 schestowitz-TR; that's what they mean by investigation

15:15 matey; did harvard ever give him one?

15:15 schestowitz-TR; they did the samer to swartz

15:15 schestowitz-TR; more of a blame-shiftinf cover-up report

15:15 matey; they went just a bit harder after aaron than gates though

15:15 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/01/10/gates-sponsored-mit/

15:15 TR Bot; Massachusetts Institute of Tall Tales (MIT) Covers Up Bill Gates Bribery of MIT Through a High-Profile Pedophile, Citing No Evidence Other Than Representatives of Gates Himself | Techrights

15:15 matey; maybe if aaron had been a millionaire

15:16 schestowitz; released around xmas when nobody pays much attention

15:16 schestowitz; just like reports about the arrests at bill's home

15:16 matey; merry sellout christmas

15:16 matey; i hope the domes cave in.

15:16 matey; i was a huge fan of mit when i was a kid

15:16 matey; even visited

15:16 schestowitz-TR; pentagon (darpa) will bail them out again

15:16 schestowitz-TR; drone "research" and stuff

15:16 schestowitz-TR; boston synamics

15:16 matey; indeed

15:17 MinceR; "The more often Pinocchio lies, the longer his table becomes." >> https://ircz.de/p/22032315

15:17 matey; though thats in a different town

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15:17 schestowitz-TR; then they can do some mit movies

15:17 schestowitz-TR; about epic scientists there

15:17 matey; rofl@table

15:17 schestowitz-TR; with campus scenes

15:17 matey; i already met the most epic scientist at mit

15:18 matey; he died years ago, very old

15:18 matey; though rms is probably cooler in a number of ways

15:18 schestowitz; matey: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FSF-Microsoft.png

15:18 schestowitz; MinceR: http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FSF-Microsoft.png

15:19 MinceR; :)

15:20 schestowitz-TR; what's with the other url?

15:20 schestowitz-TR; the one with putin and candy on his head?

15:20 MinceR; lol

15:20 matey; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FSF-Microsoft.png <- hmm, doesnt show the gnu developers fighting over scraps that pudding throws off

15:21 MinceR; schestowitz: which one?

15:21 matey; the url to the png

15:22 matey; its funny how centauri putlins furnishings look. daemonfc would know http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FSF-Microsoft.png

15:22 matey; "great maker!"

15:23 MinceR; Shai-Hulud?

15:23 matey; i was thinking londo mollari

15:23 schestowitz-TR; https://ircz.de/p/22033055

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15:23 matey; but he was derivative in a number of ways

15:24 matey; i mean the coats looked like something from napoleons garage sale

15:24 matey; and the hair-- looked like one of napoleons hats

15:25 matey; pudding obviously wants to be stalin

15:25 matey; but i but you hes a pretty big fan of napoleon too

15:25 matey; bet you

15:28 matey; also putlin looks most like the actor who was in first contact and love actually

15:28 schestowitz-TR; https://ircz.de/m/pics/2022/03/28/18/49/09/44029c2e163d63bf8341789edd842a92230b7569.png

15:28 matey; but youd have to put a LOT of makeup on him

15:29 matey; smooth the hell out of his face

15:29 MinceR; emacs, the operating system

15:29 matey; emacs was a better os than systemd and i never used it either

15:29 MinceR; +

15:29 matey; the difference was that emacs was optional and less of a bother to learn

15:30 MinceR; well, i used it for spook and SLIME

15:30 psydruid; one of my professors came from MIT

15:30 schestowitz; https://stallman.org/

15:30 TR Bot; Richard Stallman's Personal Page

15:30 schestowitz; ""

15:30 schestowitz; Upcoming talks

15:30 schestowitz; No upcoming talk.

15:30 schestowitz; "

15:30 matey; theyre probably good at what they do

15:31 matey; its the school that fucking sucks

15:31 psydruid; even though it's usually the other way around

15:31 psydruid; yeah

15:31 psydruid; http://homepage.tudelft.nl/t5g29/CV.html

15:31 TR Bot; Curriculum Vitae - Professor Ian T. Young

15:32 psydruid; I guess he left and never went back except as a guest lecturer

15:32 matey; place of birth Chicago, Illinois

15:32 matey; /me hides it from dfc

15:33 matey; lets see your professor survive the crazy streets of chicago!

15:33 matey; "are you kidding, i was born there"

15:33 psydruid; Chicago was probably a different place back then

15:33 matey; hes been everywhere

15:33 schestowitz; https://stallman.org/

15:33 schestowitz; ""They" is plural for singular antecedents, use singular gender-neutral pronouns."

15:34 matey; Chicago was probably a different place back then <- yes and no. in some ways its never changed

15:34 matey; im confident it at least looked nicer

15:35 schestowitz-TR; when I was younger we said "he or she"

15:35 matey; "They" is plural for singular antecedents, use singular gender-neutral pronouns." <- pretending that he speaks a version of english that hannt changed in more significant ways than this

15:35 schestowitz-TR; three vowels

15:35 schestowitz-TR; not too hard

15:35 matey; he or she excludes non binary

15:35 matey; and they is simpler

15:35 matey; i use to say he or she, but it sounds stilted next to "they"

15:35 schestowitz-TR; anyway..

15:35 schestowitz-TR; .

15:35 schestowitz-TR; his site does not mention the talk

15:35 schestowitz-TR; I checked last week also

15:36 matey; stallman is taking up a very american pastime

15:36 schestowitz-TR; pasttime?

15:36 matey; preserving a version of english that isnt british as though its not itself something that made changes

15:36 schestowitz-TR; anyway, I also agree with RMS

15:36 schestowitz-TR; they means plutral

15:36 schestowitz-TR; some people create confusion

15:36 schestowitz-TR; even at work

15:36 matey; you can agree all you like-- singular they has been in use for AGES

15:36 matey; not just your lifetime

15:36 schestowitz-TR; you cannot distinguish how many people are invoilved

15:36 schestowitz-TR; numerated words do have a purpose

15:37 schestowitz-TR; same for gendered words

15:37 matey; so what youre agreeing on is pretending that the word is more limited than it really is

15:37 schestowitz-TR; you know what number to expect and can distinguish groups

15:37 matey; numerated words do have a purpose <- singular they also has a purpose

15:37 schestowitz-TR; like a word for many females

15:37 schestowitz-TR; a word for many males

15:37 schestowitz-TR; and fore singles

15:37 matey; hes correct that singular they is less ambiguous

15:37 schestowitz-TR; even inside verbs

15:37 schestowitz-TR; and inside adjectives

15:37 matey; but its a strong protest of a very small non-problem

15:37 schestowitz-TR; but anyway

15:37 schestowitz-TR; regarding his

15:37 schestowitz-TR; talk

15:37 schestowitz-TR; which I shall watch

15:37 matey; where they is ambiguous you can just use the persons name again

15:38 schestowitz-TR; the fsf mentioned it in the calendar

15:38 matey; like lrowe, when they is ambiguous you can just use their name again <- no ambiguous they in this sentence

15:38 matey; stallmans entire protest is that a word is ambiguous, when many of the uses hes protesting are not!

15:38 schestowitz-TR; names are more unique, yes

15:39 schestowitz-TR; matey: the ones he protests are worse

15:39 schestowitz-TR; they are misleading propaganda term

15:39 schestowitz-TR; deceit being their intent

15:39 matey; no...

15:39 schestowitz-TR; like "intangiable sssets"

15:39 matey; no, i dont think so

15:39 matey; he was literally complaining its gramaticalyl ambiguous

15:39 matey; its entirely about grammar

15:39 matey; not political context

15:40 matey; and the grammatical ambiguity is easy to solve

15:40 matey; not all uses are gramatically ambiguous-- when a use is, use the name instead

15:40 matey; really simple. no need for per pers etc

15:41 matey; when its not ambiguous singular they can be used (just like kal in hindi)

15:41 matey; in hindi you know whether kal is yesterday or tomorrow from context

15:41 matey; from tense

15:41 matey; so the word is ambiguous but the usage isnt

15:41 matey; similarly, you can use singular they and have the context COMPLETELY clear its singular

15:42 matey; no ambiguity

15:42 matey; stallman is in error about this

15:42 matey; hes solving a problem that neednt exist in the first place

15:42 matey; and singular they isnt that bad

15:42 matey; plus hes willing to use it if people ask him to

15:43 matey; so hes not even against it

15:43 matey; "per" se

15:43 matey; and the funniest part is!

15:43 matey; open source makes the same argument about free being ambiguous

15:43 matey; and its just as crappy an argument then.

15:45 matey; 99% of the time if someone is talking about an apple computer it isnt a fruit

15:45 matey; its a computer. we could say apple is ambiguous

15:46 matey; puppy linux-- omg is it a dog or a distro? its so confusing!

15:46 matey; techrights. what do you mean, rights like user rights or rights like take a right at the next light? i dont know

15:46 matey; completely a non-problem.

15:47 matey; ambiguity comes from poorly formed sentences, blaming the individual word is a waste of time

15:48 schestowitz-TR; doing an rms meme

15:49 matey; what do you mean, an african swallow or swallow like you do when you eat or drink something?

15:49 matey; "what? i dont know that! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!"

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15:50 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/rms-drilling.jpg

15:50 matey; that was a quick one

15:51 matey; i like it, but im unaware of the nazi google connection

15:52 schestowitz-TR; github

15:52 matey; /me looks again

15:52 matey; whats the nazi github connection?

15:52 schestowitz-TR; ties into ICBM too

15:52 matey; other than i think github was one of hitlers men

15:53 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/06/06/hypocritical-ibm-red-hat/

15:53 matey; "everyone except github, steiner, and krebs leave the room"

15:53 TR Bot; IBM (Red Hat) Lectured FSF That It Needed More Diversity, But Was It Looking at the Mirror? IBM and Red Hat Are Even Less Diverse. | Techrights

15:53 matey; "WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH MICROSOFT! IM JUST TRYING TO DOWNLOAD PUPPY LINUX!"

15:53 matey; /me throws pencil at the desk

15:53 schestowitz-TR; shouts something about stalin

15:54 schestowitz-TR; schtalleeeen

15:54 matey; hes not really like stalin unless he would make a pact with hitler

15:54 matey; and churchhill

15:55 matey; hitler thought churchhill would destroy stalin and churchhill thought the nazis would beat them

15:55 schestowitz; any typos in http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/rage-against-the-system/ ?

15:55 TR Bot; [Meme] Rage Against the Machine (Military-Industrial Complex) | Techrights

15:55 matey; no idea

15:56 matey; but

15:56 matey; still looking at the graphic

15:56 matey; granted its in very small letters but its RIGHT THERE

15:57 matey; is the github nazi connection

15:57 matey; so it actually explains it. i missed it the first time

15:57 schestowitz-TR; it seems like fsf tries to take back the term social justice

15:57 schestowitz-TR; in the context of sw freedom

15:57 schestowitz-TR; I saw that in the intros

15:57 matey; thats a bad strategy

15:57 schestowitz-TR; it says freesw is about social justice

15:58 matey; but they have so many, one more wont matter

15:58 schestowitz-TR; I think it's like taking the word "gay"

15:58 matey; yes, except not everyone is trying to claim theyre gay

15:58 schestowitz-TR; not saying it's a good idea

15:58 schestowitz-TR; check the audio versions of talks

15:58 schestowitz-TR; the intros

15:59 matey; theyre all about social justice now?

4 PM, March 31

16:00 matey; the sjws missed an opportunity

16:00 schestowitz-TR; but you see?

16:00 schestowitz-TR; if it's overused

16:00 matey; to call themselves the social justice league and have even more of a marvel tie-in

16:00 schestowitz-TR; then they lose control of it

16:00 schestowitz-TR; and then cannot weaponise it

16:00 matey; they should have done it sooner then

16:00 schestowitz-TR; monty python

16:00 schestowitz-TR; i''m juses

16:00 schestowitz-TR; and so is my wife

16:01 schestowitz-TR; *jesus

16:01 matey; oh yes the sparticus gambit

16:01 schestowitz-TR; that can be a strategy also

16:01 matey; or the sparticus defence

16:01 matey; mmhmm

16:01 schestowitz-TR; you frame it to show the hypocrisy

16:01 schestowitz-TR; andf the doubel standards

16:01 schestowitz-TR; like people who work foir evil companies

16:01 schestowitz-TR; who themselves (both the people and the companies) pretend to be some sort of charity

16:02 schestowitz-TR; while they drop bomb

16:02 matey; so the social justice people are doing the same thing

16:02 schestowitz-TR; or help drop bombs

16:02 matey; its like when youre on facebook, but now your parents are, so its not cool anymore

16:02 matey; so you leave

16:02 schestowitz-TR; right

16:02 schestowitz-TR; good analogy

16:02 matey; the sjws are all about "ethics" now

16:02 schestowitz-TR; it started ages ago

16:02 matey; but the artifacts and damage done by the sjws are stll here

16:02 schestowitz-TR; summarised in two words

16:02 schestowitz-TR; by an actor

16:02 schestowitz-TR; "respect microsoft"

16:03 schestowitz-TR; that's SJW version 0.1

16:03 matey; jononononononononononononononononono

16:03 schestowitz-TR; you start with the premise

16:03 schestowitz-TR; crime is good

16:03 matey; jononononononono cat ^

16:03 schestowitz-TR; and we need to reinforce the belief calling out the criminal is evil

16:03 schestowitz-TR; openrespect -> respect microsoft

16:03 matey; calling out criminals is like kicking a puppy

16:03 schestowitz-TR; canonical partners with microsoft

16:03 schestowitz-TR; matey: those are moral equivalents

16:03 schestowitz-TR; one day you kick a puppy

16:03 matey; its like the same thing!

16:04 schestowitz-TR; next day you say,"fuck microsoft for hiring nazis"

16:04 matey; microsoft and nazis are like puppies

16:04 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/02/15/cancel-canonical/

16:04 TR Bot; Cancel Canonical? | Techrights

16:04 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/07/09/canonical-ubuntu-microsoft/

16:04 TR Bot; Canonical Dooms the Ubuntu Brand to Appease Microsoft | Techrights

16:04 schestowitz; openrespect

16:04 schestowitz; RESPECT microsoft

16:04 schestowitz; they are OUR FRIENDS now

16:04 matey; friiiiiiiends

16:04 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2019/04/08/jono-bacon-works-for-microsoft/

16:04 TR Bot; Jono Bacon Works for Microsoft | Techrights

16:05 schestowitz; matey: like in manian mansion

16:05 schestowitz; day of the tentacle

16:05 matey; of course if you dont want to be friends with microsoft

16:05 matey; you have options

16:05 matey; if you dont want to be friends with microsoft

16:05 matey; you dont have to go to libreplanet

16:05 schestowitz; *maniac

16:06 schestowitz-TR; wow, it's thurs already

16:06 schestowitz-TR; felt like weds

16:06 schestowitz-TR; or tue

16:06 schestowitz-TR; maybe cause I did a tons of work ont he setup/office and libreplanet videos

16:06 matey; short week

16:07 schestowitz-TR; haha

16:07 schestowitz-TR; one hour short

16:07 matey; americans lost an hour a couple weeks ago and hae probably just adjusted by now

16:07 matey; but they can reedem it in november or something

16:08 matey; unless they pass a law to let the government keep it

16:08 matey; a bit like the stone angels in doctor who

16:09 matey; granted its only an hour, but its an hour for 300-400 million people so

16:09 matey; definitely a nice buffet for stone angels

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16:13 TR News; Dr. William Liggett on Baby Steps to (Software) Freedom | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/william-liggett-libreplanet-talk/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/william-liggett-libreplanet-talk/

16:13 TR Bot; Dr. William Liggett on Baby Steps to (Software) Freedom | Techrights

16:14 TR News; A guide to Linux for embedded applications Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163190

16:14 TR Bot; A guide to Linux for embedded applications | Tux Machines

16:14 TR News; Debian vs. Ubuntu Linux: Which Distro Should You Choose? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163191

16:14 TR Bot; Debian vs. Ubuntu Linux: Which Distro Should You Choose? | Tux Machines

16:14 TR News; Top 10 opensource bug and issue tracking tools for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163192

16:14 TR Bot; Top 10 opensource bug and issue tracking tools for Linux | Tux Machines

16:14 TR News; High performance open infrastructure comes to Ubuntu Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163193

16:14 TR Bot; High performance open infrastructure comes to Ubuntu | Tux Machines

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16:21 TR News; Debian 11.3 Released wIth Numerous Bug and Security Fixes http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163029#comment-33244

16:21 TR Bot; Debian GNU/Linux 11.3 Bullseye Released with 83 Security Updates and 92 Bug Fixes | Tux Machines

16:21 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163194

16:21 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

16:22 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163195

16:22 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

16:22 TR News; Ubuntu 22.04s Snap-Only Software Store is a Bug, Not a Feature http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163182#comment-33243

16:22 TR Bot; Canonical/Ubuntu: Telcos, Containers, Charmed Operator SDK, and Bug Reporting | Tux Machines

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16:48 TR News; "The Documentation team is happy to announce the immediate availability of the Writer Guide 7.3." https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/03/30/writer-guide-7-3/

16:48 TR Bot; Writer Guide 7.3 - The Document Foundation Blog

16:48 psydruid; Microsoft organises labour camps for puppies

16:48 psydruid; those are called internships

16:49 TR News; "As a simple reference I used my year-old post about Clang 11 building faster with PCH, where Calc'c Library_sc built in 4 minutes and 39 seconds." http://llunak.blogspot.com/2022/03/clang-14-faster-at-building-libreoffice.html

16:49 TR Bot; llunak: Clang 14 faster at building LibreOffice

16:49 MinceR; dogs work for microsoft? that explains some of their evilness

16:50 psydruid; oh, internments

16:51 TR News; Recent Contributions from Collabora to LibreOffice - Collabora Office and Collabora https://www.collaboraoffice.com/community/recent-contributions-from-collabora-to-libreoffice/ "Here are a few highlights of the last weeks work on behalf of our customers."

16:51 TR Bot; Recent Contributions from Collabora to LibreOffice - Collabora Office and Collabora Online

16:54 MinceR; https://insighthungary.444.hu/2022/03/31/opposition-votes-die-by-fire-v4-in-recess-russian-hackers-in-the-mfa-polls-favor-orban

16:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: 444.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://insighthungary.444.hu/2022/03/31/opposition-votes-die-by-fire-v4-in-recess-russian-hackers-in-the-mfa-polls-favor-orban

16:55 TR Bot; Opposition votes die by fire, V4 in recess, Russian hackers in the MFA, polls favor Orbn - InsightHungary

16:55 MinceR; fideath are cheating already

16:55 TR News; LibreOffice: Documentation, Compiling With Clang, and Collaboras Work Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163196

16:55 TR Bot; LibreOffice: Documentation, Compiling With Clang, and Collabora's Work | Tux Machines

16:56 schestowitz-TR; aka slaves

16:57 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: put in box

16:57 schestowitz-TR; the ballot always comes out the same

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16:59 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/2203239

16:59 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/tya7yqjblwo81.jpg created on 2022-03-23 02:52:29.820279

5 PM, March 31

17:00 -ben/Wallops-The ircpuzzles annual April Fool's Puzzle Competition will be starting at 17:00 UTC today in #ircpuzzles Come join in on the fun! More info, https://ircpuzzles.org/

17:00 XRevan86; MinceR: overdone

17:00 XRevan86; Also too obvious.

17:05 MinceR; https://telex.hu/english/2022/03/31/thrown-out-hungarian-mail-in-ballots-found-near-targu-mures-romania

17:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: telex.hu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://telex.hu/english/2022/03/31/thrown-out-hungarian-mail-in-ballots-found-near-targu-mures-romania

17:05 TR Bot; Telex: Thrown out Hungarian mail-in ballots found near Trgu Mure, Romania.

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17:21 TR News; The United Kingdom Might Already Have the Highest Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Since February 2021 (Before Mass Vaccination) http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/31/end-of-march/

17:21 TR Bot; Blog Archive The United Kingdom Might Already Have the Highest Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Since February 2021 (Before Mass Vaccination)

17:25 TR News; The patronising EPO management, such as Antnio Campinos who oppresses the Africans that his father fought to liberate, isnt talking about the strike and is instead imposing Microsoft Windows on everyone, even stakeholders; the EPO is just about as corrupt as Microsoft http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/epo-and-colonialism/

17:25 TR Bot; EPO in Africa: Microsoft, Corruption, and Colonialism | Techrights

17:25 TR News; Frenchman Campinos perpetuates a legacy of colonialism; if his father Jorge was still alive, Antnio would likely be yelled at http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/not-jorge/

17:25 TR Bot; [Meme] In Just a Few Years Antnio Campinos is Undoing Decades of His Fathers Legacy | Techrights

17:26 TR News; EPO staff keeps warning about the collapse of patent quality at the EPO (its not even in compliance with the law; we gave many new examples this past weekend), but media is paid to say the exact opposite http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/epo-cheating-and-bribing-media/

17:26 TR Bot; [Meme] Best in the World. At Cheating and Bribing Media. | Techrights

17:26 TR News; Software freedom is the real social justice; dont be distracted by spin from the war machine http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/rage-against-the-system/

17:26 TR Bot; [Meme] Rage Against the Machine (Military-Industrial Complex) | Techrights

17:26 TR News; "This talk is about a simple strategy to teachers others about free software, without the need for lengthy explanations of freedom vs. proprietary comparisons. http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/william-liggett-libreplanet-talk/

17:26 TR Bot; Dr. William Liggett on Baby Steps to (Software) Freedom | Techrights

17:28 TR News; This is not progress, it's just more chaos https://www.maketecheasier.com/fedex-autonomous-delivery-air/

17:28 TR Bot; FedEx to Test Autonomous Cargo Delivery by Air - Make Tech Easier

17:28 TR News; Delivery drones are based on technology already available like 30 years ago. So you know it's not true progress, it's just greed.

17:29 TR News; Of course Australia would not rank UK and US. They probably outnumber the rest by far. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/russia_iran_and_saudi_arabia/

17:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/russia_iran_and_saudi_arabia/

17:29 TR Bot; Russia ranks top for state-linked online misinformation The Register

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17:31 TR News; OUR misinformation is "well-meaning". THEIRS is "evil". But of course we also like to project this idea that theirs is false and ours is not.

17:32 TR News; Because the West is consistently honest. "I did not have sex with that woman..."

17:32 TR News; This study on misinformation is itself misinformation. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/russia_iran_and_saudi_arabia/

17:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/russia_iran_and_saudi_arabia/

17:34 TR News; He should have done what Microbell from Phoronix does https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/yale_electronics_fraud/

17:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/yale_electronics_fraud/

17:34 TR Bot; Yale finance director stole $40m in computers to resell The Register

17:35 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/pudding

17:35 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Pudding

17:35 TR News; Gulag, which makes back doors with an OS around them, on exploits that target Rotten Apple https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2022/03/forcedentry-sandbox-escape.html

17:35 TR Bot; Project Zero: FORCEDENTRY: Sandbox Escape

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17:37 matey; so this "baby steps to freedom" guy calls everything open source

17:38 matey; he points out in his talk and in the summary of his talk (on his website) that free software is "also called open source"

17:38 matey; and hes using free terminology because its more or less required by libreplanet

17:38 TR News; Gulag talking about privacy. I nearly spat out the milk. https://blog.chromium.org/2022/03/what-to-expect-from-ps-testing.html

17:38 TR Bot; Chromium Blog: What to Expect from Privacy Sandbox Testing

17:38 schestowitz-TR; matey: I noticed that

17:39 schestowitz-TR; it might be an adapted tlak

17:39 matey; just saying that baby steps to freedom has been an open source theme for 20 years now

17:39 schestowitz-TR; that he gave to students

17:39 matey; definitely adapted

17:39 matey; i was an open source guy first... so i know the schtick pretty well

17:39 schestowitz-TR; ime, all in all the talk is still better than nothing

17:39 matey; okay

17:39 schestowitz-TR; they did manage to hide/obscure FSF for quite some time

17:39 schestowitz-TR; that sort of changed

17:39 schestowitz-TR; also, gnu "came back"

17:40 matey; big quotes

17:40 schestowitz-TR; I managed to even convince some news sites to start saying "gnu/linux" and they still do

17:40 schestowitz-TR; so gnu re-emerged

17:40 schestowitz-TR; even "free sofwtare"

17:40 matey; what im saying is, everything is shifting to the "right" on this

17:40 schestowitz-TR; many project use this term now

17:40 matey; free software is shifting right to open source

17:40 schestowitz-TR; they don't think "open source" means much anymore

17:40 schestowitz-TR; it's like "liberal" in US

17:41 MinceR; baby steps to dependence

17:41 matey; ^

17:41 matey; baby steps to macos

17:41 schestowitz-TR; baby steps to babytalk

17:41 schestowitz-TR; "mainsoft'

17:41 matey; i actually think its a balance, the problem is that open source doesnt think its about that

17:41 MinceR; baby steps to baby minds

17:42 matey; the metaphor ive used is "bridges" to free software

17:42 schestowitz-TR; I had this argument with the new ED of OSI

17:42 schestowitz-TR; he says

17:42 schestowitz-TR; OSI's mission is different

17:42 schestowitz-TR; from FSF

17:42 schestowitz-TR; so he's the one drawing a line in the sand

17:42 schestowitz-TR; as if to say,

17:42 schestowitz-TR; we are not the same

17:42 schestowitz-TR; different name, different thing

17:42 matey; in 2018 19 or 20 i was talking about this bridge metaphor

17:42 schestowitz-TR; and they STILL shill github

17:42 matey; the bridge metaphor has three parts

17:43 matey; the goal is to get across a moat (to freedom)

17:43 matey; sometimes the last little bit of the bridge is gone-- if you make a small leap youre free

17:43 schestowitz-TR; right

17:43 schestowitz-TR; well, they can sod off

17:43 matey; if you stay where you and wait for the last tiny snippet of bridge you might never get there

17:43 schestowitz-TR; stefno can speak to his microwave

17:43 matey; thats one part of the metaphor

17:43 schestowitz-TR; while simon phipps texts his toilet bowl

17:43 schestowitz-TR; good luck to them

17:44 schestowitz-TR; enjoy this shit

17:44 matey; the other part is what this guys talking about

17:44 matey; theres nothing wrong with building bridges-- so people dont have to swim through the moat

17:44 matey; bridges are okay-- bridges can help you get across faster or more easily

17:44 matey; im okay with that!

17:44 MinceR; does the OSI admit what their mission is?

17:44 matey; the third part of the metaphor addresses what im complaining about

17:44 schestowitz-TR; they tried to change it

17:44 schestowitz-TR; eventually they did

17:44 schestowitz-TR; but now how deb and bully wanted

17:44 matey; if you build bridges longer and longer

17:45 schestowitz-TR; *not how

17:45 matey; and put safety rails on either side so people cant fall off (or get on in the middle)

17:45 matey; then you HAVE to start farther back

17:45 matey; you can just keep building the bridge back farther and farther

17:45 matey; now its "meant" to help but its actually keeping you from getting there.

17:45 matey; thats open source imo

17:45 matey; the helpers that make you cross longer and longer bridges to get to freedom

17:46 matey; the bridge isnt the problem-- it matters how and why its built

17:46 matey; so this was my bridge metaphor and i think its a lot better than all these damned baby steps

17:46 matey; because this guy is a little full of shit imo

17:46 matey; maybe ill watch the rest of it later

17:47 matey; at least he didnt sign the anti-rms letter and hes not using github so

17:47 matey; points for that

17:47 matey; hes still open source https://junktext.com/projects/

17:47 TR Bot; junktext.com

17:47 schestowitz-TR; maybe old page?

17:47 schestowitz-TR; i did use the term in the past

17:47 schestowitz-TR; it was a lot less dirty 20 years ago

17:48 schestowitz-TR; he uses AGPLv3

17:48 matey; he calls agpl3 open source software

17:48 schestowitz-TR; "junktext LLC is following the model of fair use such as advocated by the EFF and similar to how the commercial publication, Ars Technica (operated by Cond Nast), mentions trademarked words or uses trademarked logos in their articles. Furthermore, the owner of junktext LLC is a member of the EFF and will forward any copyright violation claims to them for assistance."

17:48 schestowitz-TR; "Copyright 2004 - 2022 "

17:49 schestowitz-TR; It's a very old page

17:49 schestowitz-TR; that's the year I started schestowitz.com

17:49 matey; its up to date

17:49 matey; - 2022

17:49 schestowitz-TR; and many of the pages there are pre-2004

17:49 matey; The purpose of my talk was to help explain a long-term strategy to get more people using and caring about Free Software (also called: Open Source Software) through a series of small baby steps. For instance, an easy way is to get as many people you know to use the Firefox web browser on their home computer and smartphone instead of Google Chrome.

17:49 schestowitz-TR; don't assume he changes evertything

17:49 schestowitz-TR; just the footer

17:49 kingoffrance; would it be accurate to say open source is lucy and she keeps moving the football matey ?

17:49 matey; maybe look at the quote

17:49 schestowitz-TR; and maybe php spits out the 2022

17:49 MinceR; he's confusing two terms

17:49 matey; <kingoffrance> would it be accurate to say open source is lucy and she keeps moving the football matey ? <- i dont know but it would be fair to say its as full of shit as lucy is

17:50 schestowitz-TR; "At present, many people today actual use a lot of open source software (also called free software),"

17:50 kingoffrance; :)

17:50 schestowitz-TR; https://junktext.com/about

17:50 TR Bot; junktext.com

17:50 schestowitz-TR; links to https://www.fsf.org/

17:50 TR Bot; Front Page Free Software Foundation working together for free software

17:50 matey; formerly libre openly sleazy software

17:50 matey; links to https://www.fsf.org/ <- good

17:51 schestowitz-TR; some people still have articles and videos priaisng gates

17:51 schestowitz-TR; those did not age well

17:51 matey; its worth noting that this isnt a "kiss the ring" kind of issue imo

17:51 schestowitz-TR; even less so if an investigation is unsealed

17:51 matey; <schestowitz-TR> some people still have articles and videos priaisng gates <- like the one you were critcising just today?

17:51 schestowitz-TR; for hanging out with jeff to meet "lots of rich people"

17:51 matey; well that was praising microsoft

17:51 matey; close

17:51 matey; its worth noting that this isnt a "kiss the ring" kind of issue imo

17:51 matey; like

17:52 matey; if people said "open source" then all they ever talked about was how to be more free... i doubt i would care

17:52 matey; the only reason i make a stink is

17:52 matey; usually when they say "open source"

17:52 schestowitz-TR; ftr, I always knew what gates was

17:52 matey; you know in hours, days or maybe weeks, theyre going to show you what they REALLY meant

17:52 schestowitz-TR; I knew some inconsistent people on this matter

17:52 matey; and its not as much about freedom

17:52 schestowitz-TR; tho later went, "oh shit"

17:52 matey; hey, in 2004, i was still open source

17:52 matey; sure

17:52 schestowitz-TR; the media mislead them, but gradually they realised it

17:53 matey; listen, everybody gets LOTS of chances to get it right

17:53 matey; this is a fucking OOOOOOOLD thing

17:53 matey; its just that these days

17:53 matey; the fsf is becoming MORE open sourcey

17:53 matey; and i think its a bad sign

17:53 schestowitz-TR; no, that's SFC

17:53 matey; so the more of this i see, the more of a stink i make

17:53 schestowitz-TR; and LF was always proprietary

17:53 schestowitz-TR; LF is not even open source

17:53 matey; no, that's SFC <- cause it cant be both

17:53 matey; its the whole movement is shifting open

17:53 schestowitz-TR; SFC was evicted

17:54 matey; even when they call it free software

17:54 schestowitz-TR; and then bkuhn got a goodbye gift

17:54 matey; they are talking about open source now

17:54 schestowitz-TR; they then had another run at him

17:54 matey; theyre talking the talk now, but not walking the walk

17:54 schestowitz-TR; and it failed

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17:54 matey; even the tuxmachines slogan is obsolete

17:54 matey; im not even blaming tm for this-- i could, im saying its not tm

17:54 schestowitz-TR; do you waddle the waddle?

17:54 matey; yeah

17:54 matey; nobody waddles the waddle anymore.

17:54 schestowitz-TR; how so?

17:55 schestowitz-TR; it still walks the walk

17:55 matey; this is what i think.

17:55 matey; nah

17:55 matey; a few might

17:55 matey; listen, all this week

17:55 matey; ive been looking up LOADS of gnu projects

17:55 matey; the ones that ARENT github based (its more than you think)

17:55 matey; theres more gnuhub than you say

17:55 matey; but thats not the point

17:55 matey; ive been focused on the ones that ARENT on github

17:56 matey; and the habits of their ADMINS (not even the other developers, just the top ones)

17:56 matey; and you know what

17:56 matey; most gnu project admins trust microsoft

17:56 matey; with personal projects

17:56 schestowitz-TR; trust TRUST?

17:56 matey; trust implied.

17:56 schestowitz-TR; or just have some mirror?

17:57 matey; im talking currently or (VERY) recently active

17:57 schestowitz-TR; even Microsoft does not trust Microsoft

17:57 schestowitz-TR; with loads of things

17:57 matey; nor should they

17:57 matey; i think most softies assume their employer isnt you know, sheltering some guy at bills mansion that... etc

17:57 schestowitz-TR; github is a funded catastrophe

17:57 schestowitz-TR; operation at a loss

17:57 matey; or maybe they dont care, but i bet they would

17:57 schestowitz-TR; throwing bribes at people

17:57 schestowitz-TR; started ahead in the lane

17:57 schestowitz-TR; because they ambushed and bought a company

17:58 matey; but what i mean is

17:58 matey; behind all this talk of freedom

17:58 matey; is a buttload of apathy

17:58 schestowitz-TR; it's not a codeplex that loses far more money than before

17:58 schestowitz-TR; I have a source who says

17:58 schestowitz-TR; the management is being thrown out

17:58 schestowitz-TR; for faililing at the objective

17:58 schestowitz-TR; which is vertical integration with azure

17:58 schestowitz-TR; microsoft is still trying to find a way to make a profit there

17:58 schestowitz-TR; like gulag with gulagtube

17:58 matey; when rms promotes freedom, the one thing hes got that everyone knows (or (denies) hes got

17:58 schestowitz-TR; github NEVER found a ways

17:58 matey; is integrity

17:59 schestowitz-TR; same for Twitter and for gitLAB

17:59 schestowitz-TR; and for Azure... and Gulag Clown

17:59 matey; <schestowitz-TR> github NEVER found a ways <- the github model is the walmart model. its doing exactly what they wanted

17:59 matey; you think everything has to make money

17:59 matey; its LOBBYING

17:59 matey; lobbying can suck up your budget and still be worth it

6 PM, March 31

18:00 matey; they dont have to make money on github

18:00 schestowitz-TR; not directly

18:00 matey; it hurts their biggest competitors

18:00 matey; it saves them money they would spend buying other companies

18:00 matey; so it makes money the same way installing effiicent lighting or buying a new airconditioner makes money

18:01 matey; air conditioners get so ineffiicent, so fast, replacing an old one basically pays for itself

18:01 matey; in savings

18:01 matey; some of that is probably hype

18:01 schestowitz-TR; if made in some cheap labour country

18:01 matey; but installing efficient lighting gives real savings

18:01 matey; and pays for itself if you do it right

18:01 matey; you think of github as only making money in traditional terms

18:01 schestowitz-TR; insulation/double glazing

18:02 matey; its an investment in more than just drawing funds

18:02 matey; its an investment in control

18:02 matey; how much money do they spend buying competitors and then axing them?

18:02 matey; its part of the way theyve done business for decades

18:02 TR News; "In the effort of adopting digital policies aligned with people's fundamental rights, the European Parliament is in the process of finding a position on the legal framework for the development and use of AI technologies." https://fsfe.org/news/2022/news-20220330-01.en.html

18:02 TR Bot; Artificial Intelligence (AI) Act: Free Software is key! - FSFE

18:03 matey; with github its like they bought 100 companies in one-- 500 companies

18:03 matey; they bought google!

18:03 matey; not all of it

18:03 matey; they didnt buy all of nokia eithe

18:03 matey; but nokia cant touch them now-- thats the point

18:03 matey; hurting your competition is the same as making more money, except its worth more to them for longer

18:03 matey; this is appalling but its how they do things

18:03 TR News; "In this tutorial well cover how to install GNOME on a machine running a RHEL-based distro, such as Rocky Linux, AlmaLinux, CentOS, Fedora, and others." https://peppe8o.com/private-learning-portal-with-moodle-in-your-raspberry-pi/

18:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: peppe8o.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://peppe8o.com/private-learning-portal-with-moodle-in-your-raspberry-pi/

18:04 TR Bot; Private Learning Portal With Moodle in your Raspberry PI

18:04 matey; you have to factor these things in when you figure out how much they really "blew" on github

18:04 matey; what did they actually want. a hosting business? no.

18:04 TR News; "In this article, Ill show you how to create your personal learning portal with Moodle on a Raspberry PI single board computer." https://peppe8o.com/private-learning-portal-with-moodle-in-your-raspberry-pi/

18:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: peppe8o.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://peppe8o.com/private-learning-portal-with-moodle-in-your-raspberry-pi/

18:04 matey; they probably didnt even care about that when they did codeplex

18:04 matey; they just wanted control

18:05 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/11/04/github-beginning-of-the-end/

18:05 TR Bot; The Beginning of the End of the GitHub Near-Monopoly and Its Demise to CodePlex Status (a Slow-Motion Train Wreck) | Techrights

18:05 matey; +they make most of their money off the developer partnerships right?

18:05 matey; http://techrights.org/2021/11/04/github-beginning-of-the-end/ <- not-even-the-predlude-to-the-beginning

18:06 matey; im sure the truth is somewhere between how you call it and how mjg does

18:06 matey; you think theyre done

18:06 MinceR; "Today's the first day of the end of your lives."

18:06 matey; whats the one rimmer wanted to make into a sign?

18:07 matey; in the first red dwarf book

18:07 MinceR; \_()_/

18:07 MinceR; the quote is from Postal2

18:08 matey; chris barrie worked for spitting image doing voiceovers

18:08 matey; didnt know that

18:08 schestowitz-TR; I think we should be careful not to make false assuptions about the relative share of github and git

18:09 schestowitz-TR; many stioll pass tarballs around

18:09 schestowitz-TR; and many are under the radar

18:09 mjg59_; matey: Microsoft needs developers, otherwise nobody writes interesting stuff for WIndows

18:09 schestowitz-TR; github is like skype

18:09 schestowitz-TR; its monopoly is fast eroding

18:09 mjg59_; matey: And the past 20 years saw a lot of developers migrate to MacOS as development targets moved from the desktop to the web instead, and your local OS made less difference

18:10 mjg59_; So Microsoft will do basically anything to encourage developers to be part of their ecosystem

18:10 matey; and he was on blackadder the third

18:10 schestowitz-TR; github already had several brain drain crises

18:10 schestowitz-TR; and nowadays massive outages too

18:11 matey; <schestowitz-TR> I think we should be careful not to make false assuptions about the relative share of github and git <- i think YOU should, since ive done 80% of the research

18:11 matey; <schestowitz-TR> many stioll pass tarballs around <- yes, im closer to being able to count those than you are

18:11 matey; ive been through tensd of thousands of projects in the fsd

18:12 matey; look, if you want to beat your chest and say DEWEY DEFEATS GITHUB you can do whatever you want

18:12 matey; its your blog

18:12 schestowitz-TR; mSM and microsoft-bribed 'analysts' like redmonk base 'research' on shithub data

18:12 schestowitz-TR; they're not alone

18:12 matey; but if you want to be right, id focus less on chestbeating and come back to reality

18:12 schestowitz-TR; I've complained about this for years

18:13 schestowitz-TR; as if you don't count unless or until Microsoft is your boss

18:13 matey; mSM and microsoft-bribed 'analysts' like redmonk base 'research' on shithub data <- i base information about github on github

18:13 matey; then i compare it to everything else.

18:13 schestowitz-TR; github is NOT as important as the media puts it

18:13 schestowitz-TR; they bribe people, bribe media

18:13 matey; i dont care what the media says about it

18:13 matey; i do my own research

18:13 schestowitz-TR; and so we are seeing a distorted view os the market

18:13 matey; months at a time.

18:13 matey; mmhmm

18:13 matey; so we are seeing a distorted view <- yes we are

18:14 schestowitz-TR; right

18:14 matey; Open Source Won!

18:14 matey; its funny when they say it

18:14 matey; its stupid when "we" say it

18:14 schestowitz-TR; github was becoming de facto standard

18:14 schestowitz-TR; then microsoft touched it

18:14 schestowitz-TR; after it has ambushed its growth since 2014

18:14 schestowitz-TR; and now it's like skype

18:14 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22032927

18:15 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/apib6aemitp81.jpg created on 2022-03-29 11:28:46.704205

18:15 schestowitz-TR; over time the share tapers off

18:15 schestowitz-TR; people find new tools

18:15 matey; github was becoming de facto standard <- then microsoft touched it <- then python and perl and npm joined

18:15 schestowitz-TR; and github is not "cool" anymore

18:15 matey; yes i do timeline stuff too

18:15 MinceR; it's funny because "open source" can't win

18:15 matey; its not cool but it has more monopoly than it did a few weeks after the purchase

18:15 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/01/24/fleeing-github/

18:15 TR Bot; Microsoft: The Year After We Bought GitHub There Was a Significant Decline in Number of New Projects on GitHub | Techrights

18:15 MinceR; if "open source" were to "win", proprietary software would win and "open source" would go away

18:15 schestowitz; their OWN data ^^

18:16 matey; <MinceR> it's funny because "open source" can't win <- it depends what theyre trying to win-- like the rocky movie where he was supposed to throw the fight

18:16 MinceR; :>

18:16 matey; open source is supposed to throw the fight-- thats how it "wins"

18:16 MinceR; throwing the fight isn't winning, though

18:16 matey; no its losing

18:16 matey; but they cry all the way to the bank

18:16 MinceR; "open source" is supposed to kill free software and then die

18:16 matey; <MinceR> "open source" is supposed to kill free software and then die <- such nice friends-- better allies

18:17 matey; so open source wins sort of like dr. zoidberg

18:17 matey; first it "wins"

18:17 matey; then it floats dead in a beach full of crustacean carcasses

18:18 matey; but since the beach is wet and software hates being damp

18:18 matey; github will do

18:18 matey; come on in! the servers are fine!

18:18 matey; we hope youll end your development lifecycle with us!

18:19 matey; meanwhile microsoft looks at this mess and panics!

18:19 matey; OH NO!

18:19 matey; we arent making money from this-- AND ALL OUR COMPETITORS ARE DYING!

18:19 schestowitz-TR; zoidberg has tentacles

18:19 schestowitz-TR; like shithub

18:19 matey; :D AND ALL OUR COMPETITORS ARE DYING :D

18:19 matey; zoidberg has tentacles <- not much of a futurama fan i guess

18:20 matey; but if youre just comparing him to octocat, sure

18:20 schestowitz-TR; yeah

18:20 schestowitz-TR; btw

18:20 matey; anyway theres only one way to be sure

18:20 schestowitz-TR; assuming you dislike many projects on shithub

18:21 schestowitz-TR; because "open source"

18:21 matey; just like we wont know if the april talk is old genric stuff or not until we see it

18:21 schestowitz-TR; then when the whole thing drowns

18:21 schestowitz-TR; the better projects will be OK

18:21 schestowitz-TR; sellouts will perish

18:21 schestowitz-TR; like channels that outsourced to gulagtube

18:21 schestowitz-TR; rt et al

18:21 schestowitz-TR; or to vimeo

18:21 matey; <schestowitz-TR> assuming you dislike many projects on shithub <schestowitz-TR> because "open source" <- this is obviously not the process i use

18:21 matey; openbsd is also "open source"

18:21 schestowitz-TR; openbsd does not use shithub

18:21 schestowitz-TR; it has other issues

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18:22 bnchs; how about this

18:22 matey; openbsd doing "open source" reminds me more of gnu when it USED TO do "free software" than it does NOW when it does "free software"

18:22 bnchs; alternative frontend for github

18:22 matey; so that kind of "open source" while EXTREMELY rare

18:22 matey; isnt the sort i worry about

18:23 matey; de raadt for the most part isnt full of shit

18:23 matey; though the times he has been-- ive held those against him for many years at a time

18:23 matey; many many years

18:23 matey; and usually it was something fairly small really

18:23 matey; like being petty about stallman picking on them somewhat unfairly

18:24 matey; and me only knowing the stallman side of the story

18:24 matey; but i still talk about free software because open source is bullshit

18:25 matey; just like free software is bullshit when you scratch the surface and find open source under it

18:25 matey; if you scratch the surface of openbsd, i swear

18:25 matey; its free software under that

18:25 matey; thats what happens when you build things on integrity

18:25 activelow; "open source" is a technical term, "free software" is a political one

18:26 matey; open source is a propaganda term, free software is a philosophical one <- kingoffrance probably has valid objections here

18:26 activelow; and both are chated with

18:26 matey; <activelow> and both are chated with <- yes

18:26 activelow; *cheated

18:26 matey; i knew what you meant

18:28 schestowitz-TR; openbsd is not "open source"

18:28 schestowitz-TR; openbsd predates "open source"

18:28 activelow; the modality of "open source" with regards to "free software" is the necessity of source-code publicly available; free software must be opensource, however open-source isn't the only criteria, it is insufficient to qualify any software as free

18:28 schestowitz-TR; in the OSINT context not

18:28 schestowitz-TR; but in the OSI sense

18:29 schestowitz-TR; and the project is called openbsd

18:29 matey; <schestowitz-TR> openbsd predates "open source" <- only according to revisionist history

18:29 schestowitz-TR; so it makes sense for them to say "open" something

18:29 schestowitz-TR; OSI is just a car accident

18:29 matey; granted that revisionist history comes from osi

18:29 schestowitz-TR; we need to sweep it aside now

18:29 schestowitz-TR; and carry on driving

18:29 matey; openbsd was only a couple years ahead of osi

18:29 schestowitz-TR; right

18:29 matey; go read the debian-private archives again

18:29 matey; because open source is talked about there

18:29 schestowitz-TR; i did

18:29 matey; before 1998 i think

18:29 schestowitz-TR; hence i say it

18:30 schestowitz-TR; debian private is 96-17 iirc

18:30 matey; either way, the term was already in use

18:30 kingoffrance; "open source is a propaganda term, free software is a philosophical one" <-- legal, lawful, subjective, objective. no, no quibble, that makes sense :D

18:30 schestowitz-TR; and they also say open hardware

18:30 matey; 96 is the year openbsd started i think

18:30 kingoffrance; the trick is the "lawful" quibble about words because they are important, the "legal" is loose because nothing really matters, so they appear 180

18:31 kingoffrance; so they superficially appear as opposite of what internally they are IMO lol

18:31 schestowitz-TR; fwiw, if i can interject, epo management is a lot like microsof

18:31 schestowitz-TR; they pretend to be big, they break the law all the time, they pretend to be loved when everyone hates them

18:32 schestowitz-TR; osi became like the epo's yellow union

18:32 matey; so the slides of this libreplanet guy

18:32 matey; basically present open source to the world all over again

18:33 matey; free software is for nerds, we need a different approach that puts freedom off in the distant future

18:33 matey; welcome to 1998

18:33 kingoffrance; i dont disagree with activelow "political" so much as...they was "open source" catchphrase. but now with everything "social" everything is "political" so its not really fashionable anymore

18:33 matey; ill tell you what hes not a dr of: history

18:33 schestowitz-TR; good point

18:33 kingoffrance; *that was an

18:33 kingoffrance; *catchphrase against FS

18:33 schestowitz-TR; let me think how we can better market software freedom

18:33 matey; the whole talk is presenting open source as if it hasnt been going on for the past 20 years

18:34 schestowitz-TR; in light of "modern" challenges like toilet bowls with apps for them... and sensors

18:34 matey; and it even uses examples that have used this philosophy to keep us going in circles

18:34 activelow; the worst misnomer, with both technical and political terms, is the artificial distinction of free software from free hardware

18:34 matey; so this guy is a dr, giving a talk based on a 20-year circular argument.

18:34 kingoffrance; yeah, i agree 100% with activelow as well

18:34 matey; the worst misnomer, with both technical and political terms, is the artificial distinction of free software from free hardware <- haha, i dont entirely agree but i like the angle anyway

18:34 *schestowitz-TR thinks just reposting many libreplanet talk can contribute positively to awareness

18:34 matey; i disagree on technical grounds

18:35 kingoffrance; software just volatized simulation of hardware ;d

18:35 kingoffrance; *is just

18:35 matey; ACTION thinks just reposting many libreplanet talk can contribute positively to awareness <- thinks that open source awareness does for the public what fox news does for political awareness

18:35 kingoffrance; same thing in different stages/forms

18:35 schestowitz-TR; activelow: I think it's about scarcity

18:35 matey; <kingoffrance> same thing in different stages/forms <- open /free or sw/hw?

18:35 kingoffrance; woz said old arcade games were just circuit boards. software just lets you avoid soldering to make an "update"

18:35 schestowitz-TR; though you can share the designs freely

18:35 schestowitz-TR; making them will cost money

18:35 bnchs; "in light of "modern" challenges like toilet bowls with apps for them"

18:36 bnchs; russian IP detected, disabling toilet

18:36 matey; woz said old arcade games were just circuit boards. software just lets you avoid soldering to make an "update" <- so do flash bios

18:36 kingoffrance; yep

18:36 matey; <bnchs> russian IP detected, disabling toilet <- protest plumbing!

18:36 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: oh, shit

18:36 matey; protestware is too much like drm on a bad day

18:37 bnchs; protestware, alias for regionist malware

18:37 bnchs; coined by brandon miller

18:37 matey; when doctorow talked about drm in "rip a remix manifesto" (by brett gaylor who later went to work for crapzilla) he said drm was like the "urinary tract infection model of software distribution"

18:37 schestowitz-TR; ours is "protest"

18:37 schestowitz-TR; theirs is "malware"

18:37 matey; "every feature comes in painful slow spurting drip"

18:37 schestowitz-TR; [17:31] <techrights-news> OUR misinformation is "well-meaning". THEIRS is "evil". But of course we also like to project this idea that theirs is false and ours is not.

18:37 schestowitz-TR; [17:32] <techrights-news> Because the West is consistently honest. "I did not have sex with that woman..."

18:37 schestowitz-TR; [17:32] <techrights-news> This study on misinformation is itself misinformation. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/russia_iran_and_saudi_arabia/

18:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/russia_iran_and_saudi_arabia/

18:37 TR Bot; Russia ranks top for state-linked online misinformation The Register

18:38 schestowitz-TR; [17:29] <techrights-news> Of course Australia would not rank UK and US. They probably outnumber the rest by far.

18:38 matey; but the way drm works now is basically 1. authentication 2. failure / fuck you 3. buy more drm shit

18:38 bnchs; yes

18:38 matey; and protestware is basically 1 & 2 from that

18:38 schestowitz-TR; russia passed new waivers

18:38 bnchs; but this is a drm you didnt agree on

18:38 schestowitz-TR; russians will benefit from that

18:38 schestowitz-TR; the media does not say that

18:39 schestowitz-TR; they may use the exact same stuff

18:39 schestowitz-TR; but pay NOTHING to the West

18:39 schestowitz-TR; how the West benefits is beyond me

18:39 matey; <bnchs> but this is a drm you didnt agree on <- so its also like ransomware

18:39 schestowitz-TR; they just lost customers

18:39 bnchs; smart toilets have better ideas like microsoft

18:39 matey; but ive compared drm to ransomware

18:39 matey; they overlap like 80-90%

18:39 bnchs; they can bribe real estates to put their smart toilet

18:39 schestowitz-TR; yes

18:39 bnchs; to install their smart toilets

18:39 schestowitz-TR; they go for landlords

18:39 bnchs; market it as a good thing

18:40 schestowitz-TR; and try to compel them to subject tenants to abuse

18:40 schestowitz-TR; as part of the contract

18:40 schestowitz-TR; cctv, microphones, you name it

18:40 schestowitz-TR; or south korea, in hotels...

18:40 matey; russia: what this town needs is "strong leadership"

18:40 bnchs; its basically like OEM

18:40 bnchs; the universal microsoft plan

18:40 matey; protestware on lotus toilets: what this town needs is an enema!

18:41 kingoffrance; whether same org should be trying to push both free software and hardware, i dont know on that. they are both equally important IMO

18:41 matey; whether same org should be trying to push both free software and hardware <- thing is, fsf is going to do free hw anyway

18:41 schestowitz-TR; the main difference is the copy of copies aspect

18:41 matey; but just like it did with free culture, its going to get free hw WRONG

18:41 schestowitz-TR; I can deploy a million copy of a program, but not without hardware

18:42 bnchs; protestware on lotus toilets: gives russians an orgasm

18:42 schestowitz-TR; and I cannot make hardware out of thin air

18:42 matey; and just like with free culture

18:42 matey; the cost of

18:42 schestowitz-TR; so FSF tackles the simpler task first

18:42 bnchs; question if they're toiletsexual

18:42 matey; <schestowitz-TR> and I cannot make hardware out of thin air <- tell me how to make software out of thin air then

18:42 kingoffrance; its called cloud

18:42 schestowitz-TR; there the scarcity is strictly aritificial

18:42 kingoffrance; and...its gone! </south park>

18:42 schestowitz-TR; matey: it exists

18:42 schestowitz-TR; you copy it

18:42 bnchs; have you ever seen a toilet that blasts water into your ass

18:42 matey; you need equipment and electricity

18:43 schestowitz-TR; cannot copy hardware without some star trek magic

18:43 matey; you may not need raw materials but the electricity certainly does

18:43 matey; so does the equipment you use to make software

18:43 schestowitz-TR; you can use pen and paper

18:43 schestowitz-TR; it's slower

18:43 schestowitz-TR; and you need to east

18:43 schestowitz-TR; that can take a while...

18:43 schestowitz-TR; *eat

18:44 schestowitz-TR; [18:43] <matey> so does the equipment you use to make software

18:44 matey; you can make hardware out of pen and paper too, but it will be about as useful as the software you made on pen and paper

18:44 schestowitz-TR; you need to make the software just once

18:44 schestowitz-TR; with hardware, the design

18:44 matey; and i dont mean draw it-- i mean you can make working hardware out of pen and paper

18:44 schestowitz-TR; but then you need lots of raw material and manufacturing

18:44 schestowitz-TR; and repairs are less predictable

18:45 schestowitz-TR; matey: you can run the algos without a computer

18:45 schestowitz-TR; but it's very slow

18:45 matey; you can build a working computer with paper and a pen

18:45 matey; but that too is very slow

18:45 schestowitz-TR; no

18:45 matey; yes!

18:45 schestowitz-TR; that computer would need power source

18:45 schestowitz-TR; so you don't solve the issue

18:45 schestowitz-TR; humans need food

18:46 schestowitz-TR; and can write out the processing

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18:46 matey; /me makes a crank out of paper

18:46 matey; behold a power source

18:46 matey; <schestowitz-TR> humans need food <- what does that have to do with computing

18:46 schestowitz-TR; humans are also processors

18:46 schestowitz-TR; but they cannot have the same clock speeds

18:46 bnchs; make a generator that gets energy from food?

18:46 schestowitz-TR; like 64-bit-wide instruction setse

18:46 schestowitz-TR; too muc for the brain

18:47 matey; <bnchs> make a generator that gets energy from food? <- then connect it to the smart toilet

18:47 schestowitz-TR; and at 400MHz, or 4000

18:47 *psydruid wonders if anyone else is getting spammed GOG "reduction" codes

18:47 matey; <psydruid> ACTION wonders if anyone else is getting spammed GOG "reduction" codes <- not unless roys bot is doing it

18:47 schestowitz-TR; Good Ol Games?

18:47 psydruid; they must be desperate to get more customers

18:47 matey; but honestly i think even it has higher standards than that

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18:47 schestowitz-TR; maybe their Ukraine politics aren't paying off

18:47 psydruid; yes

18:47 schestowitz-TR; and now they need extra sales

18:48 schestowitz-TR; iirc, they banned belarus too

18:48 schestowitz-TR; and the ordinary belarus citizen is like wtf do you want from ME?

18:48 schestowitz-TR; they are doing BDS, but b is belarus

18:48 matey; <bnchs> have you ever seen a toilet that blasts water into your ass <- the smart toilet you posted about blasts water onto you

18:48 psydruid; I've only ever "bought" free games from them to test them on WINE

18:48 bnchs; yes

18:48 matey; they make a toilet with a "smart bidet" built in

18:48 bnchs; but have you seen an instance

18:49 bnchs; where the water blaster gives the person an orgasm?

18:49 matey; i used to date someone who worked for someone who owned one.

18:49 schestowitz-TR; "smart water"

18:49 schestowitz-TR; the water has wifi in it!

18:49 matey; <bnchs> where the water blaster gives the person an orgasm? <- yes

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18:49 schestowitz-TR; Smart Prostate(TM)

18:50 bnchs; it will be used for the protestware

18:50 schestowitz-TR; put bluetooth on that ProstateWARE

18:50 bnchs; you can call russians toiletsexual

18:50 schestowitz-TR; apple will detectProstate cancer early

18:50 *zedomati1 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)

18:50 schestowitz-TR; with its ProstateWARE)TM)

18:51 matey; so the point of open source is to conflat free software with open source

18:51 schestowitz-TR; but apple will use a better marketing term

18:51 matey; at 37:00 in the libreplanet talk

18:51 schestowitz-TR; something with "i"

18:51 schestowitz-TR; or "apple"

18:51 bnchs; iProstate

18:51 matey; he literally says not to correct use of open source

18:51 matey; but to say its ALSO CALLED free software

18:51 matey; dont correct open source!

18:51 schestowitz-TR; and brandon will replace the prostates with hearts

18:51 matey; im telling you

18:51 matey; these people keep making my predictions come true

18:51 matey; id rather be wrong

18:52 matey; please make me wrong...

18:52 matey; they keep making me right

18:52 schestowitz-TR; the speaker?

18:52 matey; he says a "strong community" wont correct use of "open source"

18:52 bnchs; if brandon's ass doesnt overflow with hearts in prison

18:52 schestowitz-TR; I think you should be harsher on OSI speaker

18:52 schestowitz-TR; for we risk alienating another person with FSF shirt

18:52 schestowitz-TR; you loathed what Dereke taylor saida

18:52 schestowitz-TR; dnd wrote him off

18:53 schestowitz-TR; since then he has said nothing positive about Microsoft

18:53 matey; <schestowitz-TR> you loathed what Dereke taylor said <- do you want me to quote where you had IDENTICAL CONCERNS about dt in a side channel

18:53 matey; before spending months rewriting history about what i said

18:53 schestowitz-TR; he said about Microsoft,

18:53 schestowitz-TR; something along the lines of,

18:53 schestowitz-TR; "I'm starting to change my mind"

18:53 schestowitz-TR; this was in relation ro edge

18:54 schestowitz-TR; and that put us both off

18:54 schestowitz-TR; for me a strike one

18:54 schestowitz-TR; I think you escalated to third, faster...

18:54 schestowitz-TR; I wrote off SJVN

18:54 schestowitz-TR; and Schneier

18:54 schestowitz-TR; but only after years of BS

18:54 matey; youre pulling the same crap as the talk right now

18:54 schestowitz-TR; FOSSForce improved somewhat

18:54 matey; saying it will alienate him if we point out hes wrong

18:54 schestowitz-TR; some people can change a bit

18:55 schestowitz-TR; no,

18:55 matey; some people can cahnge a bit <- like phipps?

18:55 schestowitz-TR; that's not what I said

18:55 matey; wait for the screencap

18:55 schestowitz-TR; no, with phipps I was on the fence

18:55 schestowitz-TR; then all hell broke lose when microsoft "joined" OSI

18:55 schestowitz-TR; and he was insulted by what I had said

18:56 schestowitz-TR; SJVN was off the books the moment he covered up for bill and "rich people"|

18:56 schestowitz-TR; by defaming RMS

18:56 schestowitz-TR; and not even bothering to correct

18:56 matey; https://i.ibb.co/BBWJzvD/ffs.jpg <- people are paying to go to libreplaent to hear classic osi propaganda

18:57 schestowitz-TR; I see

18:57 matey; hes saying a strong community will conflate, rather than correct the use of "open source" to describe free sw

18:57 schestowitz-TR; I think he suggestion is A LOT less bad that what I head

18:57 schestowitz-TR; *hear

18:57 matey; compare that to what johnsu said about linuxworld in 2008

18:57 schestowitz-TR; and I'd not condemn him for at least introducing people to the new (GNU) term.. the old/original one

18:57 schestowitz-TR; he points them at another direction

18:57 schestowitz-TR; like you and I

18:57 schestowitz-TR; who said open source 17 years ago

18:58 schestowitz-TR; the term back then was nowhere as toxic

18:58 matey; "It seems that some words are hard to say, and some would have us give in to their limiting Orwellian speak. Well tough, it's the Free Software Movement; listen up, because you're in Freedom's home town. " https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-responds-to-linuxworld-in-boston

18:58 TR Bot; FSF Responds to LinuxWorld in Boston Free Software Foundation Working together for free software

18:58 schestowitz-TR; so we need to capture the "open source" people

18:58 matey; "We had big smiles on our faces at the FSF office recently, when journalists called to ask for our reaction to the LinuxWorld announcement, that they were coming to Boston in part because it was the birthplace and headquarters of the Free Software Foundation---which launched the Open Source Movement?"

18:58 schestowitz-TR; an d send them to learn the real chronology

18:58 schestowitz-TR; and what freedom means

18:58 matey; this is just libreplanet going backwards

18:58 schestowitz-TR; as they didn't hear about that side of it

18:59 matey; but its never just an isolated incidenct

18:59 matey; this is part of a 7-year pattern of the fsf in regression

18:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.28 k/sec., IPFS upstream 72.51 average k/sec., average swarm size 408.36

18:59 matey; with no end in sight

18:59 matey; eveyrbody knows it

18:59 matey; sometimes even you know it

18:59 matey; but sometimes you prefer to do-- whatever this is

18:59 schestowitz-TR; LinuxWorld has been defunct for over a decade

18:59 matey; flipflopping

18:59 schestowitz-TR; it was IDG iirc

18:59 matey; LinuxWorld has been defunct for over a decade <- changing the subject

18:59 matey; "we move on"

7 PM, March 31

19:00 schestowitz-TR; LinuxWorld had other "Worlds"

19:00 matey; yeah, in circles

19:00 schestowitz-TR; their purpose was to shoehorn their sponsors

19:00 matey; LinuxWorld had other "Worlds" i think this msut be one of them

19:00 matey; their purpose was to shoehorn their sponsor <- open source does that well

19:00 schestowitz-TR; yeah

19:00 schestowitz-TR; they are in this together

19:00 matey; its free software + crap

19:00 matey; or gnu/crap or gnu+crap

19:00 matey; or as i like to call it now, crap

19:01 matey; at least the fsf used to stand for something

19:01 matey; now it stands for open source coming in to stand for nothing

19:01 TR News; Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Beta Released with GNOME 42 Desktop, Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163197

19:01 TR Bot; Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Beta Released with GNOME 42 Desktop, Linux Kernel 5.15 LTS | Tux Machines

19:01 schestowitz-TR; so now you are upset that

19:01 matey; no

19:01 matey; i love being lied to

19:01 schestowitz-TR; fsf is not free-friendly enough?

19:02 matey; everybody does

19:02 schestowitz-TR; and that we need to go further than FSF, or something roughly along those lines?

19:02 matey; fsf is not free-friendly enough? <- do you want to pretend im the only person here who realises the fsf is full of crap now?

19:02 activelow; schestowitz-TR: "free software" is the misnomer, to separate it from free hardware, which is artificial, political, and not plausible to do - except for, political reasons, to do it

19:02 matey; and that we need to go further than FSF <- actually id LOVE it if the fsf just stuck to the principles they had before.

19:02 activelow; reminder: 1984 semiconductor protection act

19:03 schestowitz-TR; matey: it's more so now than years ago

19:03 matey; heh

19:03 activelow; since when USA, systematically, strategically, organized sabotage and an embargo against the world economy

19:03 schestowitz-TR; this year it did not award mr, mono

19:03 schestowitz-TR; or mr. 'secure' boot

19:03 schestowitz-TR; or debsoftr

19:03 matey; well he already won

19:03 matey; who did win this year?

19:03 schestowitz-TR; check

19:03 matey; (spoiler alert, github won)

19:04 schestowitz-TR; that's cynical

19:04 activelow; and with the misnomer of "free software" USA business entities could prevail the facade of "freedom", free trade, compliance with world trade regulations etc.

19:04 matey; cant think of any reason id be cynical at this point

19:04 matey; ill check today

19:04 matey; im too busy to check this minute

19:04 schestowitz-TR; go for it

19:04 schestowitz-TR; [11:18] <techrights-news> FSF Staff at LibrePlanet Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163181

19:04 TR Bot; FSF Staff at LibrePlanet | Tux Machines

19:05 activelow; a facade, in parallel to "five eyes" industrial espionage, most severe anti-trust violations

19:05 schestowitz-TR; those 'meta' talks won't be in techrights

19:05 schestowitz-TR; no real substance

19:05 schestowitz-TR; it reminds me of medal ceremonies

19:05 schestowitz-TR; of the rich

19:05 schestowitz-TR; mr. billion dollars

19:06 activelow; "free software" is good, however, it serves as a strategic utility, to monopolize USA interests, and their trade war

19:06 schestowitz-TR; will give a "lifetime achievement" award to mrs. magnate

19:06 schestowitz-TR; and the plutocrats int he audience, wearing tuxedos, clap clap clap

19:06 matey; This year's recipients of the awards are Paul Eggert, Protesilaos Stavrou, and SecuRepairs

19:06 schestowitz-TR; "she must be a very important person... did lots of HARD work'

19:06 matey; i know eggert is a gnu developer

19:06 schestowitz-TR; matey: beyond software

19:06 matey; i think hes red hat but im checking

19:06 schestowitz-TR; like they did OSM before

19:07 schestowitz-TR; free data

19:07 schestowitz-TR; no,

19:07 schestowitz-TR; red hat has a politician type

19:07 schestowitz-TR; eggart iirc

19:08 TR News; Intel pretends the vaccines have solved everything (they did not; see UK numbers) https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/intel_covid_return_to_work/

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19:08 activelow; the 1984 semiconductor protection act, is one explanation, why almost all coprorations are monopolized and centralized in Silicon Valley aka. RAND Corp. US Military, to pull the strings from there

19:08 matey; muckrack.com/paul-eggert/articles

19:08 matey; Paul Eggert As seen in: The Conversation, Techrights.org

19:08 TR Bot; ( status 530 @ https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/intel_covid_return_to_work/ )

19:08 matey; Paul Eggert is a professor in the Computer Science department at University of California Los Angeles (UCLA)

19:10 schestowitz-TR; there is a guy in redhat, a manager, with a similar surname

19:10 matey; 165 contributions in the last year <- github won. maybe they use # contributions to figure out who should win :)

19:10 schestowitz-TR; and not a Paul

19:10 matey; now im being cynical.

19:10 schestowitz-TR; you are being pedantic

19:10 schestowitz-TR; which is fine

19:10 matey; there is a guy in redhat, a manager, with a similar surname <- yeah im getting nothing on eggert red hat

19:10 schestowitz-TR; but then again both new additions to fsf board had shithub accounts

19:10 matey; <schestowitz-TR> you are being pedantic <- thank you

19:10 matey; rms is pedantic

19:10 matey; and most of the people who fall short of him are not

19:11 matey; of course by itself, being pedantic is awful

19:11 matey; when theres nothing behind it. if you put it to a good use though... it can be wonderful

19:11 matey; like mae west said

19:11 schestowitz-TR; try eggart

19:11 matey; im only interested in the winners right now

19:12 matey; but i dont have time at this moment to look them up further

19:12 matey; im sure i can get to that today

19:12 matey; at any rate, i hope the fsf can get something right sometimes

19:12 schestowitz-TR; david I think]

19:12 matey; i dont think eggert is a bad person

19:12 matey; hes a gnu developer

19:12 matey; probably one of the good ones

19:12 matey; they gave lessig a free sw award too

19:12 matey; and oliva

19:13 matey; im still a fan of lessig

19:13 matey; after all these years

19:13 matey; cc, no. lessig, yes. the worst thing about cc is theyre nothing like the founder

19:13 matey; similar to the fsf.

19:13 matey; but cc falls even further from the tree

19:14 bnchs; by-nd?

19:14 matey; anyway, i assume the worst about the winners, because as you said-- cynical

19:14 schestowitz-TR; cc had severe struggles

19:14 matey; <bnchs> by-nd? <- unfortunately sometimes

19:14 schestowitz-TR; and triued to pull things together

19:14 matey; <schestowitz-TR> cc had severe struggles <- with integrity, yes. and they lost

19:14 schestowitz-TR; joi ito was cruised by the mit thing

19:15 matey; joi ito was involved with shady deals

19:15 matey; maybe not his fault

19:15 schestowitz; https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/13/21063873/jeffrey-epstein-lessig-nyt-defamation-lawsuit-mit-joi-ito-donations-interview

19:15 TR Bot; Lawrence Lessig sues New York Times over MIT and Jeffrey Epstein interview - The Verge

19:15 matey; very unfortunate

19:15 matey; yep

19:15 schestowitz; they try to throw lessig under the bus too

19:15 schestowitz; after he competed with hrc for president

19:15 matey; yeah i hate when good people get thrown under the bus

19:15 matey; he wasnt really competition. and neither was she

19:15 matey; he just wanted to start a pac

19:16 matey; she just wanted to start a war so she could make money :)

19:16 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/05/27/joi-ito-email/

19:16 TR Bot; Joi Ito Already Admitted on the Record That Bill Gates Had Paid MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein | Techrights

19:16 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2020/01/26/mit-and-ms-or-mbs-billg/

19:16 TR Bot; MIT and Microsoft Have Done Nothing to Actually Tackle Pedophilia and Ephebophilia | Techrights

19:16 schestowitz; ito was actuallt the one who "OUSTED" Gates

19:16 matey; ill let you know what i find later. maybe it will be a happy awards year and none of them are scumbags

19:16 matey; that would be alright with me

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19:17 activelow; "free software", at present, intentionally or by accident, serves to _spread_ non-free systems (IBM Wintel PC) globally, computer systems which RAND Corp. Pentagon US monopoly controls

19:17 activelow; it is no coincidence, J.v.Neumann was a RAND Corp. affiliate, appealing to authority and history with my argument

19:18 activelow; "free software", when it should be "free computers", academic freedom, freedom of science

19:20 psydruid; "free computing" would be a better goal to strive for

19:21 MinceR; https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/station

19:21 TR Bot; Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - Station

19:25 activelow; furthermore, free computing products, could have been tailored to meet the requirements of academic freedem and freedom of science, and leave the commerce elsewhere to profiteer with

19:25 TR News; Dishonest excuses and Microsoft spin https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/windows_11_stalls/ see http://techrights.org/2022/01/26/microsoft-delighted-by-failure/

19:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/windows_11_stalls/

19:25 TR Bot; Windows 11 growth at a standstill The Register

19:25 TR Bot; Microsoft Delighted by Windows 11 (Vista 11) Usage, Which is Only 1% Three Months After Official Launch and Six Months After Release Online | Techrights

19:25 TR News; Deepin 20.5 Released with Face Recognition Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163198

19:25 TR Bot; Deepin 20.5 Released with Face Recognition | Tux Machines

19:26 activelow; alot of software and literature isn't of any commercial interest at the scale of income generated from video games, entertainment, and electronic waste production

19:27 activelow; yet, profiteering and share-holder value had _not_ been the main objective of the strategy anyway, it was _total_ control over academia and science too, monopolized into the hands of a few in USA

19:29 activelow; another spin is this, the strategy to seize full control, for global industrial espionage by USA, succeeded, however USA isn't capable to retain control with too much power concentrated in their hands

19:29 activelow; which as one explanation, why software quality and the industry is falling apart

19:30 schestowitz-TR; interesting

19:31 schestowitz-TR; usually the excuse is a flase dichotomy

19:31 schestowitz-TR; where all software must have masters

19:31 AdmFubar; https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/yale_electronics_fraud/

19:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/yale_electronics_fraud/

19:31 TR Bot; Yale finance director stole $40m in computers to resell The Register

19:31 schestowitz-TR; that aren't the user (free software)

19:32 schestowitz-TR; so if NSA^H^H^HClown Computing isn't uniquitious, then "China" or "Russia" or $Enter_Rival "wins"

19:33 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: he was not a Microsoft executive

19:33 schestowitz-TR; so he faces charges

19:34 TR News; Better for the environment https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/tsmc_predicts_pc_smartphone_slowdown/

19:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/tsmc_predicts_pc_smartphone_slowdown/

19:34 TR Bot; TSMC not worried about China's COVID lockdowns The Register

19:34 activelow; another misnomer, is, with the "software freedom" granted, developers/users supposedly may choose which "operating system" they wanted

19:34 activelow; when instead, the real operating system (no coincidence "BIOS" started in "real mode" btw.), is, the "BIOS", UEFI, etc.

19:35 mjg59_; It's not

19:35 activelow; it isn't at least obvious anymore, how many such "operating systems" are installed inside a typical IBM Wintel system

19:35 TR News; Fake security = set of cargo cults based on misconception, where platforms with back doors get taken for granted https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/the-reality-of-ot-segregation/

19:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pentestpartners.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/the-reality-of-ot-segregation/

19:35 TR Bot; The reality of OT segregation | Pen Test Partners

19:35 mjg59_; Firmware isn't an operating system by any definition

19:36 activelow; what's inside: the MMU? USB controller? Ethernet?

19:36 schestowitz-TR; baseband

19:36 schestowitz-TR; the "real" master

19:37 mjg59_; That's just not actually true?

19:37 schestowitz-TR; zOD

19:37 activelow; i mean, linux kernel (no blame intended), doesn't at least manage memory, it is MMU/IOMMU etc which do it.

19:37 schestowitz-TR; zOS

19:37 schestowitz-TR; when one OS can take over the other it's clear what dominates the whole

19:37 mjg59_; activelow: I

19:37 schestowitz-TR; like a hypervisor without this topology

19:37 mjg59_; activelow: I'm pretty sure these words do not mean what you think they mean

19:38 mjg59_; How do you think an MMU works?

19:38 schestowitz-TR; good luck figuring out how many components work

19:39 schestowitz-TR; the hardware side

19:39 schestowitz-TR; openbsd rejects x86 RNGs

19:39 activelow; mjg59_: i suspect it isn't some static circuitry; yet i had not access to any internals of a typical IBM Wintel "north bridge" yet

19:39 schestowitz-TR; and rightly so

19:39 activelow; wouldn't surprise me, if there is some type of DOS operating system inside the north bridge, to "manage" memory

19:39 mjg59_; activelow: It is static circuitry

19:40 mjg59_; And even before memory controllers moved into the CPU, it was still in the CPU, not the memory controller

19:40 mjg59_; MMUs are just not complicated

19:40 activelow; in terms of hardware development, a northbridge isn't some static filter, certainly not, and it probably isn't some simple state machine either

19:40 mjg59_; They just look at a memory access and say "yes" or "no", and then access the appropriate physical address

19:40 TR News; Copyleft in court, in the hands of an org that pockets money from copyleft FOES https://sfconservancy.org/blog/2022/mar/30/neo4j-v-purethink-open-source-affero-gpl/

19:40 TR Bot; An Erroneous Preliminary Injunction Granted in Neo4j v. PureThink - Conservancy Blog - Software Freedom Conservancy

19:41 activelow; little more is known about the raspberry video-core (similar to "north bridge"), which got their own "firmware" too, which is the threadx RTOS

19:41 activelow; which, is the _real_ operating system of raspberry pi, which cannot be changed either, regardless of any linux installed

19:41 activelow; too, this RPI VC initializes memory, etc.

19:42 mjg59_; There's no similarity between the Pi's GPU and x86-style "north bridges" (which haven't existed for years)

19:42 activelow; althoug, memory-controller init and mmu are different things again

19:42 mjg59_; activelow: You really don't appear to understand how computers work

19:42 TR News; This issue was "Made in USA", but Schneier points the finger at those alleged to have taken advantage of it (probably very unreliable and politically-motivated evidence) https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/chrome-zero-day-from-north-korea.html

19:42 TR Bot; Zero-Day from North Korea - Schneier on Security

19:42 mjg59_; MMUs and IOMMUs apply extremely simple policy. The modern x86 MMU is not dramatically more complicated than the one in the 386.

19:43 TR News; Microsoft: our software is UTTER SHIT. So we blame CHINA! http://techrights.org/2021/03/03/microsoft-blame-shifting-tactics/

19:43 TR Bot; Microsoft Weaponises (and Further Spreads) Racism to Distract From Its Own Incompetence (and Five Eyes Collusion for Back Door Access) | Techrights

19:44 activelow; the i386 memory management was complicated already (including paging iirc), and i do not feel comfortable with ARM either btw.

19:45 mjg59_; In what universe is paging complicated?

19:46 TR News; "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could cause a denial-of-service condition in the Ethernet port on the CPU module." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-20-303-01

19:46 TR Bot; Mitsubishi Electric MELSEC iQ-R, Q and L Series (Update C) | CISA

19:46 activelow; paging isn't, the entire x86 memory management was/is

19:46 kingoffrance; eh, firmware is software that went "down" instead of up. it doesnt really matter. agree with activelow again

19:46 activelow; anyway, the _real_ operating system isn't at least known to exist, almost always, which is ThreadX RTOS (too in the hands of california)

19:46 mjg59_; We're talking about something that dates back to the 60s

19:46 mjg59_; Real Mode's segmented architecture was more complicated

19:47 activelow; i think, the "segmented" memory has it's roots in "bank switching" done with Z80 and i8086

19:47 mjg59_; No

19:47 TR News; "ATTENTION: Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity [...] Windows: All versions" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-067-01 http://techrights.org/2021/07/19/microsoft-national-security/

19:47 TR Bot; PTC Axeda agent and Axeda Desktop Server (Update C) | CISA

19:47 TR Bot; Is Microsoft a National Security Threat? | Techrights

19:47 activelow; mjg59_: i may be in error; anyway

19:47 mjg59_; I'm not aware of any widespread 8086 platforms that did bank switching

19:48 activelow; z80/i8080 got 16bit memory bus, which was 64KiB address space

19:48 mjg59_; Oh ffs

19:48 kingoffrance; ive had this discussion before actually, roughly

19:48 kingoffrance; you just end up with...wait for it ...

19:48 mjg59_; When we talk about memory bus size, we're normally talking about the number of data lines, not the number of address lines

19:48 activelow; with bank switching, this 64KiB could be multiplixed, such as 10Banks yields 640KiB of memory... a voila, which is the CP/M MS-DOS era limitation

19:49 kingoffrance; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_4004 Tadashi Sasaki attributes the basic invention to break the calculator into four parts with ROM (4001), RAM (4002), shift registers (4003) and CPU (4004) to an unnamed woman

19:49 TR Bot; Intel 4004 - Wikipedia

19:49 mjg59_; 8086 had a 16-bit memory bus, but 20 bits of addressing

19:49 kingoffrance; unnamed woman. lol

19:49 activelow; mjg59_: 4bits to switch banks in terms of z80 hackery

19:49 mjg59_; 8088 had an 8-bit memory bus, but still 20 bits of addressing

19:49 activelow; ups, wrong, error

19:49 activelow; 2^4 is 16banks

19:50 mjg59_; Yes. 8086 could address ~1MB of address space, but the region about 640K was used for other purposes

19:50 mjg59_; 8088, despite only having an 8-bit memory bus, was the same

19:50 TR News; "latest sum of patients admitted to hospital with COVID-19 is 2,220 (that was on Sunday/Monday). Maybe its 2,500 per day already; hard to tell due to lag in reporting our government recently decided that COVID-19 is so old news that theres no need to report anything during weekends." http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/31/end-of-march/

19:50 TR Bot; Blog Archive The United Kingdom Might Already Have the Highest Number of COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Since February 2021 (Before Mass Vaccination)

19:51 mjg59_; But if your registers are only 16 bits wide, how do you address 1MB of address space?

19:51 mjg59_; (Answer: segments)

19:52 MinceR; or bank switching :>

19:52 mjg59_; Ha yeah ok

19:52 mjg59_; But that's a way to address 1MB of memory, not 1MB of address space

19:54 mjg59_; activelow: Anyway 8086 did *not* do bank switching to access 640KB of RAM. MMUs do *not* run an operating system of any sort. You can look at die scans of the 386 and verify (tediously) that the MMU is static circuitry.

19:54 activelow; anyway, paging is implemented by the "MMU", not linux kernel

19:54 activelow; it is the MMU which controls this

19:54 mjg59_; Linux says "This page has these characteristics"

19:54 TR News; Proprietary: "The Qt Company has decided to extend the Qt 5.15 Long Term Support (LTS) with patch releases to five years, prolonging the life of Qt 5.15 until 26 May 2025. This extension of the LTS is available for those with subscription licenses." https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-5.15-extended-support-for-subscription-license-holders

19:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/qt-5.15-extended-support-for-subscription-license-holders

19:54 TR Bot; Extended lifetime for Qt 5.15

19:54 mjg59_; The MMU enforces what Linux asked it to enforce

19:55 activelow; that's why, for example, a j-core/SH2 no-mmu linux is, or better to say was, interesting, until GCC/binutils toolchain bricked support

19:55 mjg59_; wtf

19:55 mjg59_; activelow: Seriously I am not convinced you understand how hardware works at all

19:55 TR News; "A new rolling remix of Ubuntu is grabbing attention, AMD has big Linux plans, and why Linux 5.18 looks like another barn burner release." https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148077/linux-action-news-234/

19:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: jupiterbroadcasting.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/148077/linux-action-news-234/

19:55 TR Bot; Linux Action News 234 | Jupiter Broadcasting

19:56 mjg59_; It's like saying "Arithmetic is implemented by the CPU, not the kernel"

19:56 schestowitz-TR; ALU

19:56 mjg59_; Things that have to be done in hardware are done in hardware

19:56 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetic_logic_unit

19:56 TR Bot; Arithmetic logic unit - Wikipedia

19:57 schestowitz; I worked with some first hand

19:57 activelow; mjg59_: yes, both integer (such as 64bit int with 16bit ALU) and fpu operations can be implemented in software

19:57 schestowitz; I even designed a culculator

19:57 activelow; anyway, this is what happened: http://lists.landley.net/pipermail/aboriginal-landley.net/2016-May/002567.html

19:57 mjg59_; If you wanted paging to be done in the kernel, you'd need every single memory access to go via the kernel

19:57 TR Bot; [Aboriginal] Possibly winding down the project.

19:57 schestowitz; *calc

19:57 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/cops-are-being-trained-to-use-literal-witchcraft-to-find-dead-bodies/

19:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/cops-are-being-trained-to-use-literal-witchcraft-to-find-dead-bodies/

19:57 schestowitz; the kernel does not do so much

19:57 TR Bot; Are Being Trained To Use Literal Witchcraft To Find Dead Bodies | Techdirt

19:57 schestowitz; the kernel sends machine commands

19:57 schestowitz; the kernel takes low-levewl resource allocationm requests

19:57 activelow; it isn't at least clarified what and how it is implemented, inside the MMU

19:57 schestowitz; and nowadays passes them to some malware

19:58 schestowitz; the endpoints of hardware

19:58 activelow; and yes, linux kernel did support no-mmu, with SH2 turtle board... which ended nowhere, sadly

19:58 schestowitz; often some opaque thing you can barely change

19:58 mjg59_; activelow: How complicated do you think it needs to be to take a virtual address, look it up in the page tables (which are entirely under kernel control), decide whether the access is permitted or not and then pass that on to the memory controller?

19:59 schestowitz; linux is also very bloated btw

19:59 schestowitz; so opaque are not just endpoints

19:59 schestowitz; at this point torvalds has no clue what goes on?

19:59 schestowitz; new driver? 500,000 line? "I trust you!" Added

19:59 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/nokia-busted-helping-russias-fsb-spy-on-citizens-activists-journalists/

19:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/nokia-busted-helping-russias-fsb-spy-on-citizens-activists-journalists/

19:59 TR Bot; Busted Helping Russias FSB Spy On Citizens, Activists, Journalists | Techdirt

19:59 schestowitz-TR; ericsson bribed isis

8 PM, March 31

20:00 schestowitz-TR; helped isis for money

20:00 schestowitz-TR; those swedes and finns

20:00 schestowitz-TR; so progressive

20:00 activelow; mjg59_: with complex instruction decoding and pipelining involved, not sure how this intersects with paging, don't know

20:00 activelow; mjg59_: seems noone knows, otherwise there had not been spectre/meltdown and similar issues

20:01 MinceR; https://abstrusegoose.com/594

20:01 TR Bot; Abstruse Goose | sandbox

20:01 activelow; yet, i do know, "firmware" update was published to address those issues, with memory management involved, and if the MMU isn't some FPGA (which i doubt it is), then chances are some software is involved with the MMU

20:02 mjg59_; activelow: How would instruction decoding or pipelining interact with paging?

20:03 activelow; mjg59_: memory access violations (NX-bit, management of CPU caches)

20:03 mjg59_; You could certainly end up with scenarios where the wrong memory access is attempted, but that's upstream of the MMU

20:03 mjg59_; And cache behaviour is downstream of it

20:03 activelow; in Z80 era, i recognize the CPU cache as main-memory, such as 512KiB SRAM are nowadays 512KiB cpu cache

20:05 activelow; with an important difference, with Z80 the operating system had control over the SRAM, and how it is allocated

20:05 TR News; "Another game now is performing better with dxvk caching... I'd be scared if I were working for Microsoft" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3SDNH3ZpT48

20:05 TR Bot; Is Windows losing its chokehold on Gaming? - Invidious

20:07 activelow; nowadays, it is impossible to know, what the MMU does, doesn't; just one example; and with USB it is at least as interesting

20:07 TR News; Easily Set up Remote Backups With Free/Libre Software Duplicati https://vitux.com/ubuntu-bootable-usb-stick/

20:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: vitux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://vitux.com/ubuntu-bootable-usb-stick/

20:07 TR Bot; a Bootable USB Stick from the Ubuntu Terminal VITUX

20:07 mjg59_; activelow: You could just not enable paging if you wanted?

20:07 mjg59_; x86 runs fine without it

20:08 activelow; mjg59_: the BIOS, which is the _real_ operating system, is executed in real mode, not protected mode

20:09 mjg59_; The BIOS is not the "real" operating system

20:09 mjg59_; Paging is not enabled in real mode

20:09 mjg59_; This is like some weird soverign citizen thing

20:09 mjg59_; Something executing in real mode doesn't make it the real anything

20:10 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Parrot 5.0 Home Edition and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=h6HHBTxvwS8

20:10 TR Bot; Parrot 5.0 Home Edition overview | designed for developers and everyday users. - Invidious

20:11 TR News; This Extension Shows Weather Forecast as Desktop Widget in Ubuntu 22.04 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163199

20:12 kingoffrance; "The BIOS is not the "real" operating system" its just 5 volume controls all over again

20:12 TR News; Proprietary software. "CVE-2022-21228 has been assigned to this vulnerability. A CVSS v3 base score of 7.8 has been calculated" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-090-03

20:12 kingoffrance; there's no terminology, so it just gets overloaded

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20:13 kingoffrance; let me dig up a manual

20:15 kingoffrance; https://www.amd.com/system/files/TechDocs/22004b.pdf

20:15 kingoffrance; pdf page 57

20:15 kingoffrance; Many systems designed with the lanSC520 microcontroller are native embedded systems that do not have a BIOS.

20:16 kingoffrance; so its just word games. some oses use bios, 'embedded' stuff that is less common

20:16 kingoffrance; bios is just 'standardizatino" in a sense (however poorly that was in practice)

20:16 kingoffrance; so, people making things one dimensional as always

20:16 kingoffrance; there is 'embedded' and there is 'desktop' and they blithely use the same words without nuance

20:17 kingoffrance; activelow is perfectly fine with his definition

20:18 kingoffrance; if an 'os' can replace a 'bios' that tells you exactly what a 'bios' is

20:19 kingoffrance; and the 'desktop' people have their own 'bios' definition that is different

20:20 kingoffrance; its entirely in the eye of the beholder (person writing an os)

20:20 mjg59_; BIOS in the tradtional x86 sense is definitely not an OS

20:21 mjg59_; UEFI could be argued to have most of the characteristics of an OS during boot services, but doesn't after ExitBootServices() is called

20:22 kingoffrance; "traditional" there is 'embedded' and 'desktop' there is no one "tradition"

20:22 kingoffrance; never was, is not, and never will be. the holy trinity

20:23 activelow; "BIOS" even implements almost all device drivers (disks, vga, keyboard) already, which kernel again has to - duplicated

20:23 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/publishers-seem-to-believe-their-outsized-sense-of-entitlement-should-trump-democracy/

20:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/30/publishers-seem-to-believe-their-outsized-sense-of-entitlement-should-trump-democracy/

20:23 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163200

20:24 mjg59_; kingoffrance: "Traditional x86" is desktop-style - embedded x86 with no PC-style BIOS is an extremely small niche

20:24 activelow; a traditional "BIOS" was executed on main cpu; nowadays in UEFI era intelME, AMD PSP, raspberry videocore etc. etc. are executed on a separate CPU

20:25 mjg59_; Oh ffs

20:25 mjg59_; No

20:25 mjg59_; Equating all these things is missing the point

20:25 mjg59_; They're all meaningfully different in ways that matter

20:26 mjg59_; And ME long predates the UEFI transition

20:26 activelow; too the Northbridge/MMU/MCU

20:26 activelow; so, nowadays, careful inspection is necessary, what, besides the real operating system, the real CPU is, how many thereof, and which is secondary

20:27 mjg59_; The "north bridge" hasn't existed for a *long* time

20:27 mjg59_; All that functionality was subsumed into the CPU in the 2000s

20:27 TR News; Today, ICBM speaks of "sustainability CSR (corporate social responsibility), and DEI (diversity, equity, inclusion)" after enabling the Holocaust, for profit. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/it-leaders-drive-esg

20:27 mjg59_; But nothing it did could be described as involving secondary CPUs

20:28 activelow; on modern AMD mainboards, the real cpu is known to be an ARM core btw.; to execute some real operating system there (not sure what it is)

20:28 activelow; IntelME is a Minix

20:28 TR News; In my experience, resistance to change is most often based in fear"... so buy new crap from ICBM, to replace what already works. It's better... for ICBM Red Hat https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/encouraging-change-ready-mindset-7-tips

20:29 mjg59_; What is "Real CPU" in this context?

20:29 TR News; "When to choose Golang versus Python and YAML for writing Kubernetes webbooks." https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/kubernetes-webhooks-golang

20:30 activelow; real CPU and real OS are the ones which "supervise" any guest, such as linux kernel executed on secondary CPU like an AMD threadripper

20:30 mjg59_; Yeah, the PSP doesn't do that

20:30 mjg59_; It has no supervisory capabilities

20:31 TR News; ICBM is still promoting the "Watson" brand. Does it assume that ICBM's client won't find out what Mr. Watson did? It is the ReiserFS syndrome https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/ibm-previews-developer-technology-sandbox-to-help-developers-explore-new-technologies/

20:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ibm.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/ibm-previews-developer-technology-sandbox-to-help-developers-explore-new-technologies/

20:31 mjg59_; It does boot before the x86 cores, but after that it's just another device

20:31 MinceR; after booting, it runs Kinibi TE, iirc

20:31 TR News; ICBM: don't say master. It offends some people. http://techrights.org/2020/07/25/watson-offensive/

20:31 mjg59_; You can extract all the code that runs on the PSP easily enough

20:31 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163201

20:31 mjg59_; https://github.com/PSPReverse/PSPTool

20:32 MinceR; well, at least the Kinibi part

20:32 schestowitz-TR; we covered this yesterday

20:32 schestowitz-TR; amd shoukd nuke it

20:32 mjg59_; If it were a host/guest scenario, the host would be able to inspect all the state of the guest

20:32 schestowitz-TR; not outsource this to microsoft

20:32 mjg59_; Which it can't

20:33 schestowitz-TR; and you don't assume this is what goes on the chip

20:33 mjg59_; schestowitz-TR: There's no assumption here, you can dump it directly from flash

20:33 schestowitz-TR; advanced microsoft devices

20:33 schestowitz-TR; witrh microsoftr pluton

20:33 schestowitz-TR; and psp, not the sony one

20:34 schestowitz-TR; you dumb binaries

20:34 schestowitz-TR; dump

20:35 mjg59_; Sure, and then you reverse engineer the binaries

20:35 mjg59_; It's not hard?

20:35 mjg59_; I mean, I can do it, and you keep saying that I'm a bad programmer, so you should easily be able to do it

20:36 TR News; Under ICBM Red Hat has quit the server market! Now it's all clowns. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-shares-cloud-services-basics

20:36 activelow; another problem, down to hardware level, is logic analyzers and digital scopes, and their bandwidth and data channels required

20:37 activelow; i mean, with USB1 and 10Mbps ethernet, there is at least a theoretical chance, to hook into a digital scope, de-modulize/de-code this

20:37 TR News; Saying you need not have servers because "the clown" is like saying you no longer need any water because you have concentrated syrup

20:37 bnchs; psp?

20:37 mjg59_; bnchs: Platform Security Processor

20:37 bnchs; focus on intel me first

20:37 bnchs; then psp

20:38 mjg59_; Oh

20:38 bnchs; or mahbe equally

20:38 mjg59_; ME is more worrying than PSP, in that it does have access to more hardware

20:38 TR News; Business: the media told us the clown is the future, so we threw away all our servers. Now we are futuristic! And Serverless(TM).

20:39 bnchs; i'm still jealous about how much homebrew support the PSP

20:39 activelow; besides, all digital scopes i am aware of, are proprietary things

20:40 bnchs; btw sony's SDK only supports the old versions of C++, which cuts off most of the programs and emulators

20:40 bnchs; which i dont use anyway

20:40 TR News; "Cloud services" and other mouth-watering buzzwords. Me eyes are wet, busting with thrills. https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-summit-2022-session-catalog-and-agenda-builder-now-available

20:41 bnchs; serverless is retarded

20:41 activelow; another option is, to restrict this approach, to audio-band, 20KHz/16bit... ~10Kbps*16;

20:41 bnchs; every computer has to be a server for something

20:41 activelow; for the sake of fun and freedom, Xoscope and similar, logic analyzers, software de/modulators, de/encoders

20:42 activelow; i mean, i would be curious too, to hook into a digital scope, to see what's there, on HDMI

20:42 TR News; "This could be exploited to pass data from local files to a remote system controlled by an attacker." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-090-01

20:43 activelow; anyway, again limitations point to an era of "free computing", 40 years ago

20:44 activelow; and pencil and paper

20:44 activelow; with maths books nearby

20:45 activelow; maybe there is a chance, to implement some hayes 300 modem, 100% free and opensource

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20:45 TR News; Steam Play Proton could get direct support for NVIDIA Image Scaling | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-play-proton-could-get-direct-support-for-nvidia-image-scaling/ Source: Gaming On Linux | GNU | Linux | Games

20:45 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-play-proton-could-get-direct-support-for-nvidia-image-scaling/

20:45 bnchs; activelow: you were right about c++

20:46 TR News; "OneXPlayer are a series of handheld gaming devices, they're somewhat popular and it appears they've been keeping a close eye on SteamOS and how it's been working on the Steam Deck." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/onexplayer-looking-at-shipping-handhelds-with-steamos-like-the-steam-deck/

20:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/onexplayer-looking-at-shipping-handhelds-with-steamos-like-the-steam-deck/

20:49 activelow; soon i'll know, which software remains with a C-only profile...

20:49 TR News; How do kids conceive the internet? https://curlybracket.net/2022/03/31/internet-kids.html "I decided to interview children between 10 and 18." Source: curlybracket

20:49 TR News; IBM/Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163202

20:50 activelow; Xoscope? and which and how many of the signal processing stuff (logic analyzers, software de/modulators, de/encoders)?

20:51 activelow; or, is it a better choice, to skip the entire 32bit unix, and fully depart to 16bit FuzixOS?

20:51 activelow; without a digital scope, only an analog one.

20:52 TR News; Games: Steam, Proton Experimental, and Steam Deck Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163203

20:53 activelow; for 16bit SDCC compiler exists, and it is GPL2

20:53 activelow; yet, with 16bit unix, i'm disconnected from the internet, no IRC, no mail, no www.

20:53 bnchs; 16-bit?

20:54 activelow; FuzixOS, SDCC compiler... it's still there, GPL2

20:55 bnchs; the PS3 porting community still has problems with emulators these days

20:55 bnchs; they have an entire list for stuff to be rewritten to C98, or OpenGL 1

20:57 TR News; "Every year, LibrePlanet organizers ask the free software community for short talks called "lightning talks." Below are the submissions we received in 2022. All speakers agreed to licensing their work under a CC BY-SA 4.0 license." https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/lightning-talks-b463/

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20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 18.41 k/sec., IPFS upstream 62.23 average k/sec., average swarm size 280.78

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21:03 TR News; FSFE, FSFs LibrePlanet, and SFC Updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163204

21:06 TR News; "Greg Farough gives a final wrap-up of the LibrePlanet 2022 conference events." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163181#comment-33247

21:07 MinceR; focus on whatever you like, the first CPU to be fixed is the first one that will be used in security-critical applications :>

21:08 TR News; Gulag turns away from search, becomes imperialistic censorship machine https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/google_misinfo_features/

21:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/google_misinfo_features/

21:09 MinceR; reminds me of the Imperialistic Bullshit Machine

21:12 TR News; Next versions of both Fedora and Ubuntu head into beta http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163197#comment-33248

21:12 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: it turned into a large missile

21:12 schestowitz-TR; with 3 phases

21:12 schestowitz-TR; phase

21:12 schestowitz-TR; I

21:12 schestowitz-TR; phase B

21:12 schestowitz-TR; and booM

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21:13 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77

21:17 TR News; Sungard dies, but in the UK we use misleading terms for that https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/uk_arm_of_sungard_availability/

21:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/30/uk_arm_of_sungard_availability/

21:17 TR Bot; Cloud and DC player Sungard's UK arm in administration The Register

21:18 TR News; Facebook should not even exist. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/meta_tiktok_lobbying/

21:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/31/meta_tiktok_lobbying/

21:18 TR Bot; Meta accused of hiring consultancy to discredit TikTok The Register

21:20 TR News; This will make all your work deeply dependent Gulag. Better choose another framework and P/L. https://medevel.com/17-youtube-channles-learn-flutter/

21:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/17-youtube-channles-learn-flutter/

21:20 TR Bot; 17 Top YouTube Channels to learn Flutter development for beginners and experts

21:21 TR News; Gulag and Microsoft are both notorious for shutting down their own things when you least expect and when you become most dependent on them. They simply don't care about anyone but themselves. And they hardly hide it...

21:23 TR News; "consider showing your support via going Phoronix Premium or PayPal tip to allow for more time/resources for such investigative benchmarking." $500,000 gifts from AMD/Intel not enough? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-518-Stress-NUMA-Goes-Boom see http://techrights.org/2022/02/03/phoronix-went-too-far/

21:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: phoronix.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-518-Stress-NUMA-Goes-Boom

21:23 TR Bot; At A Big NUMA Benchmark Regression In Linux 5.18 Git - Phoronix

21:23 TR Bot; When Blogs Become Marketing and Benchmarks Become Product Promotions | Techrights

21:25 TR News; "Gemini support was recently added to rover making it a gemini client of sorts." gemini://kayvr.com/gemlog/2022-03-31-Rover-Tours-With-Gemini.gmi

21:26 TR News; Not-Always Online Computing gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-31-not-always-online-computing.gmi "To maximize my freedom of movement I decided that whatever I could easily do offline I should."

21:27 TR News; "Rob's Gemini Capsule launched one year ago today. In some ways, it's hard to believe that I've been active on Gemini for that long." gemini://jsreed5.org/log/2022/202203/20220331-one-year-on-gemini.gmi

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21:32 AdmFubar; https://epic.org/postal-service-surveillance-program-targeted-in-epic-lawsuit-exceeded-legal-authority-inspector-general-finds/

21:32 TR Bot; Postal Service Surveillance Program Targeted in EPIC Lawsuit Exceeded Legal Authority, Inspector General Finds EPIC Electronic Privacy Information Center

21:32 AdmFubar; https://epic.org/boston-herald-facial-scanning-coming-to-an-airport-near-you-raising-some-concerns/

21:32 TR Bot; Boston Herald: Facial scanning coming to an airport near you, raising some concerns EPIC Electronic Privacy Information Center

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21:34 AdmFubar; https://www.project-disco.org/competition/033122-despite-warnings-republicans-poised-to-stick-peach-state-with-steep-legal-tab-for-political-stunt/

21:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: project-disco.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.project-disco.org/competition/033122-despite-warnings-republicans-poised-to-stick-peach-state-with-steep-legal-tab-for-political-stunt/

21:34 TR Bot; Despite warnings, Republicans poised to stick Peach State with steep legal tab for political stunt - Disruptive Competition Project

21:34 TR News; KDE gestures, and Fedora 36 beta https://yewtu.be/watch?v=05NVEYrS3Rs

21:34 TR Bot; Intel Arc GPUs, KDE gestures, and Fedora 36 beta - Linux and open source News - Invidious

21:35 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: april 1st comes early

21:35 TR News; "I've been making Arch videos on this channel for a while but I need to tell you a secret, I'm not really an Arch Linux user and I've never even used a tiling window manager." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=EshY9vDTGrM

21:35 TR Bot; I've Never Used Arch Linux (APOLOGY VIDEO) - Invidious

21:38 TR News; Judging by a lack of googlebombing WSL/WSL2 is already dead in the water. Microsoft wastes money on something nobody would ever want.

21:41 TR News; Videos/Audiocasts/Shows About GNU/Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163205

21:41 TR Bot; Videos/Audiocasts/Shows About GNU/Linux | Tux Machines

21:45 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/samsung-self-repair-program

21:45 TR Bot; introduced Galaxy device self-repair program - Protocol

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21:46 schestowitz-TR; wb

21:47 matey; learned something interesting from the securepairs website

21:47 schestowitz-TR; chua explains what's new in emacs: " https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/lightning-talks-b463/

21:47 TR Bot; Lightning Talks GNU MediaGoblin

21:47 schestowitz-TR; at first I thought it was synthetic voice

21:47 matey; theres a "first sale doctrine" precedent / ruling that applies to patents

21:47 schestowitz-TR; computer-generated

21:48 schestowitz-TR; we still have about 20 decent videos of talks we can publish

21:48 matey; this is a good thing, first sale means what you buy is yours, even if you cant copy it

21:48 schestowitz-TR; it'll take another week to digest them all

21:48 matey; if i buy a book, copyright doesnt dictate what i can do with it, becuase of first sale

21:48 matey; dmca is at odds with first sale doctrine

21:49 matey; it shouldnt have ever passed

21:49 matey; first sale is what makes used book stores and libraries possible

21:49 matey; libraries cant copy but they can lend, publisher cant do shit

21:49 matey; then came drm

21:49 psydruid; is Microsoft making so much noise because they are at risk of becoming a minor player in the US home market?

21:50 matey; dont know

21:50 matey; but securepairs said

21:50 psydruid; elsewhere in the world they still seem to be going strong

21:50 matey; As recently as 2017, the U.S. Supreme Court noted in its ruling in Lexmark vs. Impression Products in 2017 (PDF), that the doctrine of patent exhaustion imposes a limit on the patent holders right to exclude.

21:51 matey; Namely: when a patentee sells an item, that product is no longer within the limits of the [patent] monopoly and instead becomes the private, individual property of the purchaser.

21:51 matey; now i find most patent stuff really boring (of course its important)

21:51 matey; but THIS is the kind of patent stuff i care about

21:52 kingoffrance; " first sale means what you buy is yours" yeah, but it will just be argued you only bought a 'license' and not an xyz

21:52 matey; but it will just be argued you only bought a 'license' <- no no no

21:52 kingoffrance; explain :)

21:52 matey; first sale is EXACTLY what says the very opposite of that

21:53 matey; first sale is what says "the publisher can say fuck all about what you do with your copy (other than copy it)

21:53 matey; if you want to take a book you bought and make it into a dress, they cant do shit

21:53 schestowitz-TR; this extends to patents

21:53 kingoffrance; yeah, but is software going to fall under that?

21:53 schestowitz-TR; a lexmark scotus case irc

21:53 schestowitz-TR; circa 2015

21:53 matey; this extends to patents <- yes tats what im saying

21:53 matey; thats the one they mention, lexmark scotus

21:54 matey; but is software going to fall under that? <- everything including software-- but MINUS drm

21:54 schestowitz-TR; breyer wrote the decision

21:54 schestowitz-TR; before fake 'liberals' pushed him out

21:54 schestowitz-TR; "coz trump, so drop dead"

21:54 matey; if it has drm, first sale doesnt protect the user there

21:54 matey; right to repair is basically about reestablishing first sale rights for people who have equipment

21:55 matey; regardless of dmca

21:55 matey; dmca provides for exceptions-- but they only last 3 years and they can only be granted by the librarian of congress (its fucking stupid)

21:55 matey; (but better than nothing, like scraps from the table)

21:56 matey; and the librarian of congress is so tight-arsed they could eat coal and shit out diamonds

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21:57 matey; plus why would you go to the librarian of congress to ask if you can repair your tractor

21:57 TR News; Links 31/03/2022: LibreOffice 7.3.2, Deepin 20.5, and Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Beta | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/ubuntu-22-04-lts-beta/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/ubuntu-22-04-lts-beta/

21:57 TR Bot; Links 31/03/2022: LibreOffice 7.3.2, Deepin 20.5, and Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Beta | Techrights

21:57 matey; thats how stupid and backwards dmca is

21:57 TR News; Deepin 20.5 Released with Face Unlock Feature, Screenshot Pinning, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163206

21:57 TR Bot; Deepin 20.5 Released with Face Unlock Feature, Screenshot Pinning, and More | Tux Machines

21:58 matey; anyway securepairs looks like a decent business

21:58 matey; /me misses freedomdefined

21:58 matey; they probably use github of course

21:59 matey; <matey> they probably use github of course <- big points, cant find anything

21:59 schestowitz-TR; defined by microsoft

21:59 schestowitz-TR; more lockin

21:59 schestowitz-TR; actions

21:59 schestowitz-TR; issues

10 PM, March 31

22:00 schestowitz-TR; defined

22:00 matey; <schestowitz-TR> defined by microsoft <- who, freedomdefined?

22:00 schestowitz-TR; "can't leave, i'll lose all maaaa staaaaars"

22:00 matey; not clearlyredefined

22:00 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163207

22:00 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

22:00 matey; freedomdefined sold mipsel laptops with gnewsense

22:01 matey; oh no wait

22:01 matey; freedomdefined is the free culture license people

22:01 matey; what was the company called

22:01 schestowitz-TR; clearly clearly

22:01 matey; no no this was yaers before

22:02 matey; freedomplus? freedomadded?

22:02 matey; freedomincluded i think

22:03 matey; ive done a search for freedomincluded and the exact model they used to sell is coming up

22:03 matey; I've got a white Yeeloong 8101, a beautiful and completely (FSF-)Free 10.1"+ laptop with MIPS ISA and the best keyboard layout I've ever seen. It's plainly superb, but it has a couple drawbacks I should mention: **SUSPEND support* - that's a critical one

22:04 matey; i know theyre defunct but im trying to find evidence they existed

22:04 matey; www.reddit.com/domain/freedomincluded.com/

22:04 matey; i know, i dislike reddit at least as much as you do

22:05 matey; tada http://web.archive.org/web/20100824154628/http://freedomincluded.com/

22:05 TR Bot; Freedom Included, Inc

22:05 matey; "Freedom Included currently sells one product, the Lemote Yeeloong with a custom gNewSense GNU/Linux operating system installation. "

22:06 matey; "Copyleft boot firmware (bios)"

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22:07 MinceR; https://abstrusegoose.com/608

22:07 TR Bot; Abstruse Goose | as surely as the sun rises...

22:07 matey; Replaceable Batteries Are Coming Back To Phones If The EU Gets Its Way | Hackaday

22:08 matey; i have to be very excited about something to link to hackaday

22:08 matey; theyre not awful, but

22:08 MinceR; L(

22:08 MinceR; :)

22:08 matey; https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa=t&url=https://hack

22:08 TR Bot; Redirect Notice

22:08 matey; not that one

22:08 MinceR; try archive.is

22:08 psydruid; Loongson was the first 64-bit processor I got to work with

22:08 matey; yeah right

22:09 matey; i havent been able to use archive.is in ages

22:09 matey; i literally tried a day ago

22:09 matey; https://hackaday.com/2022/03/30/replaceable-batteries-are-coming-back-to-phones-if-the-eu-gets-its-way/

22:09 TR Bot; Batteries Are Coming Back To Phones If The EU Gets Its Way | Hackaday

22:09 MinceR; it doesn't work for you?

22:09 matey; fucking captcha

22:09 matey; no

22:09 MinceR; ah

22:09 matey; theyre stupid

22:09 matey; good idea

22:09 MinceR; archive.org then

22:09 matey; yeah

22:09 matey; theyre stupid too, but less so

22:10 matey; by stupid i mean they fuck over legitimate users

22:10 matey; and they bullshit the public about it

22:10 matey; As part of the EUs new battery regulations, all this is set to change. The text of these regulations is one that mandates that batteries be easily removable, replaceable, and recyclable in a wide range of devices.

22:11 matey; i know whats going on here

22:11 matey; the fsf gave awards to people who dont suck.

22:11 matey; the eu did something that actually benefits consumers instead of having a dick sucking contest with industry

22:11 matey; im in a fucking parallel universe arent i

22:12 matey; thats funny, i wonder how i got here

22:12 matey; maybe i took a wrong turn at the bank

22:13 matey; im gonna go check out the lottery, biab

22:14 matey; By January 1, 2024, these devices must be designed such that batteries can be safely removed and replaced using basic and commonly available tools and without causing damage to the appliance or batteries.

22:14 matey; ah, so theyll change that back before 2024

22:14 matey; "just put it so far in the future that the eu will be defunct anyway"

22:14 matey; "how about january 2024"

22:15 matey; "yeah it should about done by then"

22:16 matey; still a great regulation. like the one about "no lead paint in baby formula" which at least 250 countries follow pretty well

22:16 matey; notice how they always call it "baby" formula. to distinguish it from formula 1.

22:18 matey; first comment is a fucking gem

22:18 matey; "They could make up their minds and remove the regulations that forbid you shipping devices with replaceable batteries, which, I suspect, are one of the reasons everybody glues them in now."

22:18 matey; kyle says "You can ship a device with removable batteries, so long as they are IN it."

22:21 matey; "Its hard to do much better chemically. Caesium and fluorine would make the best possible battery, but itd combust instantly. I read several years ago that batteries might at best attain 5x their existing capacity as of that moment. So far were still well under 2x."

22:22 matey; /me is suddenly inspired to order something from amazon after many years

22:22 matey; "hello, jeff? yeah, could you make me something custom?"

22:22 matey; and then stick your face in it

22:22 bnchs; i fucking hate unremovable batteries

22:23 matey; i have a cool thing i do with those

22:23 matey; i dont fucking buy anything like that

22:23 matey; the closest i got to it was a super thin plastic laptop

22:23 matey; and i didnt notice until i got it home

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22:23 matey; and i removed a few ordinary screws (small phillips ones)

22:23 matey; and there was the battery

22:24 matey; so MOSTLY removable and replacable, but a bit stupid

22:24 matey; did have to remove the entire bottom panel, but it was plastic anyway

22:24 matey; it was a neat inexpensive laptop with touchscreen, worked with my own distro

22:24 matey; so i thought yay! now i can use a touchscreen on a real computer with a real os

22:25 matey; but just like every other touchscreen ever: did i?

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22:25 matey; was it actually useful to have that feature?

22:25 matey; yeah. a couple of times.

22:25 matey; the mouse was better

22:25 bnchs; matey: the problem is

22:25 bnchs; they justify the unremovable battery by saying its supposed to be "waterproof"

22:26 matey; heh

22:26 bnchs; even though the water can go through small cracks of the phone screen

22:26 matey; strap it to their chest and have them take a bath with it

22:26 bnchs; and ruin it anyway

22:26 matey; "you wont mind, its waterproof right?"

22:26 bnchs; i dont care if its waterproof

22:26 matey; "i um, uh-heh"

22:27 bnchs; rarely anyone brings their phone underwater

22:27 matey; yeah if i want waterproof ill stick it in a bag

22:27 bnchs; and if they do

22:27 bnchs; they put it in a bag

22:27 matey; rarely anyone brings their phone underwater <- the sound quality is terrible

22:27 matey; "hebbbloobbllobbloo?"

22:27 bnchs; i would pick removable battery instead of waterproof

22:28 bnchs; but no they dont want that

22:28 matey; "hobbloobbllob blon, im immblla wabbler"

22:28 bnchs; it would make their spyware easy to shutdown

22:28 matey; <bnchs> i would pick removable battery instead of waterproof <- that makes you the smart consumer

22:28 bnchs; matey: ok i faced problems with phones with unremovable batteries

22:29 bnchs; one phone had a dead flash but it was still on the shit qualcomm mode

22:29 matey; they make waterproof kits for phones with removable batteries

22:29 bnchs; i couldnt remove the battery because it was unremovable

22:29 matey; they dont make removable battery kits for phones without them

22:29 bnchs; so i had to wait for it to DIE

22:29 bnchs; which was long

22:29 bnchs; thats why i hate unremovable batteries

22:30 matey; when i got a galaxy, i started etching a back panel into it so i could get the battery out

22:30 matey; i had a plan to install elastics to keep it in place

22:30 bnchs; its just an another obstacle for repairing

22:30 bnchs; and they know it

22:30 bnchs; thats why they stick unremovable batteries

22:31 matey; i never etched threw it completely, because before i could even care, the telco installed spyware and i cancelled my account and told them to fuck themselves

22:31 bnchs; matey: they put unremovable batteries so that their spyware runs longer

22:31 matey; no question

22:31 matey; theyre a bunch of shits

22:31 bnchs; and to ruin 3rd party repairiability

22:31 matey; i know

22:33 bnchs; i find it easy to remove the battery when the OS hangs

22:33 matey; yes

22:33 matey; i still do this

22:33 bnchs; in a unremovable battery phone, you have to wait for it to die

22:33 bnchs; which can be LOOOOOOONG

22:33 matey; like longcat

22:33 bnchs; its better to bash the phone until it dies

22:33 bnchs; it worked for a phone

22:33 bnchs; and restarted good

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22:48 MinceR; (cat) https://ircz.de/p/22032745

22:48 TR News; [Meme] IAM | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/joff-went-wild/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/joff-went-wild/

22:48 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/qkeqy9f0mrp81.jpg created on 2022-03-27 18:07:17.167807

22:48 TR Bot; [Meme] IAM | Techrights

22:52 TR News; Webspam | garbage | spam | flood | social control media https://www.maketecheasier.com/thesocialproxy-review/

22:52 TR Bot; TheSocialProxy Review: Taking Social Media Management to the Next Level - Make Tech Easier

22:52 TR News; Maybe by next year 90% or more of the Web will be Webspam

22:52 TR News; Tumbleweed updates sudo, systemd, ibus Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163208

22:52 TR Bot; Tumbleweed updates sudo, systemd, ibus | Tux Machines

22:52 TR News; Kate ate KWrite Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163209

22:52 TR Bot; Kate ate KWrite | Tux Machines

22:53 TR News; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 166 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163210

22:53 TR Bot; IPFire 2.27 - Core Update 166 released | Tux Machines

22:53 activelow; MSP430 type systems can operate with a button cell type battery in the milliwatts range

22:53 TR News; SerenityOS: A remarkable achievement for a small project Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163211

22:53 TR Bot; SerenityOS: A remarkable achievement for a small project | Tux Machines

22:53 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163212

22:53 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

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22:53 activelow; the some low-badnwidth signal levels are that low, they're barely noticable above noise floor on a digital scope, if at all

22:57 matey; <activelow> MSP430 type systems can operate with a button cell type battery in the milliwatts range <- but is it removable?

22:59 activelow; matey: with this type of embedded system, yes. iirc, those systems got a radio stack too: KNX

22:59 TR News; OpenStack Yoga on Ubuntu LTS delivers highly performant infrastructure for telcos and researchers with SmartNICs and DPUs http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/163193#comment-33250

22:59 TR Bot; High performance open infrastructure comes to Ubuntu | Tux Machines

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23:14 TR News; The Union or Elected Leadership of the EPOs Staff Calls the Shots Now | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/epo-workers-in-control-now/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/31/epo-workers-in-control-now/

23:14 TR Bot; The Union or Elected Leadership of the EPOs Staff Calls the Shots Now | Techrights

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23:33 bnchs; /history #techrights 1h

23:33 bnchs; god damn it

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23:42 bnchs; i feel like this irc client is buggy

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23:47 bnchs; hello

23:47 matey; hi

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23:54 TR News; EPO staff is not as gullible as Antnio Campinos needs the staff to be http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/joff-went-wild/

23:54 TR News; The failing EPO presidency with Oliver Dreute as the so-called Chief of Staff (theyve rebranded the roles) has demonstrably lost control (the numbers speak for themselves) and collective bargaining sets in http://techrights.org/2022/03/31/epo-workers-in-control-now/

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