IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Tuesday, March 22, 2022

beginning of new day, March 22

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00:41 chicksahoy; I thought I was banned, lol

00:49 MinceR; there were 4 ping timeouts within 2 minutes

00:49 MinceR; i wonder why

00:49 prost; you being hacked?

00:52 prost; the other day distrowatch was down

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00:58 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mildly-terrifying-images-15.jpg

00:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mildly-terrifying-images-15.jpg

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1 AM, March 22

01:07 prost; whats that about?

01:12 chicksahoy; i couldn't even ping irc.techrights.org

01:13 chicksahoy; seems like a lot of people are offline now too

01:14 prost; were?

01:17 chicksahoy; here

01:18 prost; there?

01:19 MinceR; there wolf, there castle

01:26 prost; fremont?

01:33 MinceR; \_()_/

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01:40 prost; isnt this server at freemont?

01:41 prost; how many dirtypipe articles does the world needs?

01:43 prost; people will need to buy older android models now

01:46 MinceR; dunno

01:48 prost; it is a cause of concern for owners of new mobile devices that were released in 2022 as most of the devices came with Android 12 in 2022.

01:51 activelow; year 2022, never touched nor used a smartphone with Android or iOS, never, not once.

01:55 matey; never touched nor used a smartphone with Android or iOS, never, not once. <- good idea

01:56 matey; how many dirtypipe articles does the world needs? <- as many as it takes for putin to continue fighting with everyone thinking about windows instead

01:56 matey; or wait, is it android

01:56 matey; hell, whats the difference. microsoft is windows, google is android

01:57 matey; same problem different brand

01:57 *prost starts sketching up a FB page for activelow

01:58 matey; /me renames android gsl (google subsystem for linux)

01:58 prost; you /me isnt working

01:59 matey; i know its the damnedest thing

01:59 matey; ive tried everything

01:59 matey; /me shrugs

01:59 matey; i can do this of course

01:59 matey; ACTION does this

01:59 matey; but i dont think thats better

01:59 prost; you ineract everyday with people using such devices

2 AM, March 22

02:00 activelow; i see there is many new participants

02:00 *activelow is curious

02:00 activelow; where are you residing?

02:01 *MinceR renames systemd to iss (ibm subsystem for systemd-kerneld)

02:01 matey; systemd-kerneld <- coming soon

02:01 MinceR; indeed

02:02 matey; 100% rust

02:02 matey; no other code

02:02 matey; only runs on pluton

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02:02 MinceR; no, they'll just rename Linux

02:02 matey; mincer: "no one was maintaining it so we added it to systemd"

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02:02 prost; fuchia

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02:03 matey; fuchia: because to make something that sucks worse than android you have to build it from the ground up

02:03 matey; or license it from microsoft, and this is google, so no

02:03 MinceR; :>

02:04 prost; you have to build it from the ground up so it becomes proprietary

02:04 matey; in the future of course its just microsoft, google and amazon

02:04 matey; no one else is left

02:04 matey; they own all the media and all the tech companies

02:04 prost; alibaba

02:04 matey; and mincer decides not to be a pacifist anymore

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02:05 MinceR; when was i a pacifist?

02:05 matey; who have you killed?

02:05 MinceR; parse error

02:05 MinceR; oh, wait

02:05 MinceR; nobody, as far as i know

02:05 activelow; systemd/dbus/... can be removed; GCC can't be, and the kernel pushed aggressively for newer versions of GCC

02:05 matey; maybe you just roughed them up a little

02:05 MinceR; but it is not because of being a pacifist, which i am not

02:06 matey; no im not really insisting those are your only options

02:06 prost; the usa is starting to shun the "global" as chinese corps start to creep over

02:06 matey; the usa shunning "global" is like the amish shunning hats and barns

02:06 prost; wait and see

02:06 MinceR; :)

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02:07 matey; "we wont have any of these kettles, pots only!"

02:07 matey; global: "but we have all the oil, you know"

02:08 matey; usa: "okay, maybe just a LITTLE bit of global"

02:08 matey; thats the usa for you, the very model of moderation and prudence you know

02:08 prost; LOL

02:09 matey; canada "we have natural gas and electricity!"

02:09 matey; usa: "oh i couldnt possibly, im on the new self-sufficiency diet"

02:09 matey; mexico and china: "we have cheap labour!"

02:09 matey; usa "no, stop, im not listening!"

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02:10 matey; usa "ive had it with all this global nonsense, im going to new england to make shoes and live off the land"

02:11 matey; banks and defence contractors: "dont worry, this sort of thing only lasts a week before it comes to its senses"

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02:18 matey; mjg59_ (not a trick question at all) how long do you think before we can replace miners with robots?

02:19 matey; i figure in a non-fucked up world we could give them adequate safety equipment at least, but there are some situations where putting robots down there would be less... lethal

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02:19 matey; oh well, ping timeout

02:21 AdmFubar1; how do you now they haven't replace them???

02:21 prost; in a couple of years war will be waged by robots and all human victims will be collateral damage

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02:22 AdmFubar1; as predicted by gene roddenberry

02:24 prost; Roddenberry flew 89 combat missions in the Army Air Forces during World War II

02:26 AdmFubar1; whooopieeee!!!!

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02:27 prost; On August 2, 1943, while flying B-17E-BO, 41-2463, "Yankee Doodle", out of Espiritu Santo, the plane Roddenberry was piloting overshot the runway by 500 feet (150 m) and crashed into trees, crushing the nose and starting a fire as well as killing two men

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02:29 AdmFubar1; banzia!

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02:31 prost; AdmFubar the next one is on me

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02:31 AdmFubar1; I hope it isn't cooties :P

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02:34 prost; is that an indian tribe?

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02:39 TR News; Yesterday's #boycottnovell-social and #techpol IRC logs ready. HTML: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-210322.html TEXT: http://techrights.org/irc-archives/irc-log-social-210322.txt GEMINI GemText: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/irc-gmi/irc-log-social-210322.gmi GEMINI Plain Text: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/irc-log-social-210322.txt

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02:41 TR Bot; IRC: #boycottnovell @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, March 21, 2022

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02:42 TR Bot; IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Monday, March 21, 2022

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02:43 matey; i can tell you what the "s" in "isp" stands for, and it isnt service

02:44 schestowitz-TR; spying? surveillance?

02:44 MinceR; excrement

02:45 prost; satan

02:46 matey; all good words

02:46 matey; at any rate, my internet disservice provider is especially useless today

02:47 matey; maybe its the russians, maybe they didnt pay the internet mafia this month, maybe the internet fairies are pissed off

02:48 matey; could be solar flares

02:48 matey; whatever it is, a modem reset heals all wounds

02:48 matey; it just doesnt fix the bloody internet service

02:48 prost; https://www.zdnet.com/education/how-to-become-amazon-software-engineer/

02:48 TR Bot; to become a software engineer at Amazon | ZDNet

02:48 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-03-21.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-03-21.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)

02:49 prost; Amazon's application process is intense and time-consuming, but it follows a set pattern. Persistence is key to becoming an Amazon software engineer.

02:49 prost; amazon: we need to solve this problem.

02:49 matey; Persistence is key to becoming an Amazon software engineer. <- its also key to unionising

02:50 matey; though somehow i cant imagine union workers working hard to make it easier to replace them

02:50 AdmFubar; soon to change name to Burger Czar https://www.icij.org/investigations/pandora-papers/burger-king-holds-a-quiet-stake-in-its-russian-franchisee-even-as-it-publicly-distances-itself-leaked-records-show/

02:50 TR Bot; Burger King holds a quiet stake in its Russian franchisee even as it publicly distances itself,leaked records show - ICIJ

02:50 prost; amazon admin: start the application process and make the wannabees come up to solutions to problem

02:50 matey; i thought there was already a burger czar

02:51 prost; amazon: stop the application process after problem is solved and dont employ anyone

02:51 TR News; "Today I saw a back link to my Gemini capsule from Gophersphere. It somehow natural, but we don't have a proper instrumentation to detect that. ;-)" gemini://szczezuja.space/tinylog.gmi

02:51 AdmFubar; you're thinking booger czar (tzar? tsar?)

02:52 matey; in australia burger king is called hungry jacks

02:52 activelow; cannot find why gcc/linker adds stuff which it should not/need not to do: __aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr0

02:52 AdmFubar; in the usa those are a brand of pancakes

02:52 *activelow puts on tinfoil hat

02:52 TR News; Types are useful gemini://idiomdrottning.org/types-are-useful

02:52 TR News; GNOME 41.5 Released as a Bugfix Update for the GNOME 41 Desktop Series Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162813

02:52 TR Bot; GNOME 41.5 Released as a Bugfix Update for the GNOME 41 Desktop Series | Tux Machines

02:52 matey; keep tinfoil away from gcc, it will link that too

02:53 matey; in fact its best to isolate gcc from any electronic devices using a faraday cage

02:53 AdmFubar; and members of the "church of the subgenius"

02:54 activelow; the function/symbol isn't used, nonetheless libgcc is linked against for this one, unpredictibly

02:54 matey; thats the gpl, its trying to spread the copyleft virus

02:55 activelow; situation is, with a cross-compiler it's not linked against, then the same compiler with identical switches links it; absolutely no clue why

02:56 prost; GNOME 42 released to revert the bugs fixed in version 41.5

02:56 *activelow activates paranoid mode

02:56 AdmFubar; instead of asking here ask the maintainers of the compiler why is does that

02:56 activelow; already did

02:56 AdmFubar; help help the paranoids are after me!

02:57 matey; <prost> GNOME 42 released to revert the bugs fixed in version 41.5 <- if they really intended to fix it they would use mate

02:58 matey; /me goes to the gnome forums to ask "why not use mate? its free and open and has fewer bugs"

02:58 prost; GNOME fev are MS dev working on gnome on their free time

02:58 matey; everyone needs a hobby

02:58 matey; for them its destroying free software

02:58 matey; other people collect stamps

3 AM, March 22

03:02 AdmFubar; :P https://www.osnews.com/story/134704/windows-needs-a-change-in-priorities/

03:02 prost; they also destroy proprietary software soo...

03:02 Alternative link; Cloudflare: osnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.osnews.com/story/134704/windows-needs-a-change-in-priorities/

03:02 TR Bot; needs a change in priorities OSnews

03:03 matey; yes but unlike the free software they destroy, the prioprietary shit keeps coming back

03:03 activelow; ^ grab the tiny-basic paper tape and restart from scratch

03:03 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.88 k/sec., IPFS upstream 24.06 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.94

03:05 matey; thats what will happen

03:06 matey; https://www.osnews.com/story/134704/windows-needs-a-change-in-priorities/ <- i know what windows should focus on

03:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: osnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.osnews.com/story/134704/windows-needs-a-change-in-priorities/

03:10 TR News; Keeping Debian Healthy as It Enters Its 30th Anniversary | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/debian-errors/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/debian-errors/

03:10 TR Bot; Keeping Debian Healthy as It Enters Its 30th Anniversary | Techrights

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03:12 TR News; Like this is what should matter in an OS these days. "Dark mode", icons, emojis... https://www.maketecheasier.com/set-custom-icons-android-apps/

03:12 TR Bot; How to Set Custom Icons for Your Android Apps - Make Tech Easier

03:13 TR News; 270: System76 Interview with Emma Marshall - Destination Linux https://destinationlinux.org/episode-270/

03:13 TR Bot; 270: System76 Interview with Emma Marshall - Destination Linux

03:13 TR News; "We discuss whether computing become less interesting as performance and abstraction have increased over the years. Plus our discoveries including two way radios, synths, HTML from colourful terminal output, and a personal wiki for Vim." https://latenightlinux.com/late-night-linux-episode-169/

03:13 TR Bot; Late Night Linux Episode 169 Late Night Linux

03:15 TR News; Gunnar Wolf: Long, long, long live Emacs after 39 years http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162800#comment-33145

03:15 TR Bot; 20+ years of Emacs | Tux Machines

03:17 TR News; 60 Parsecs! gets a small update to improve Steam Deck support https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/60-parsecs-gets-a-small-update-to-improve-steam-deck-support

03:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/60-parsecs-gets-a-small-update-to-improve-steam-deck-support

03:17 TR Bot; Parsecs! gets a small update to improve Steam Deck support | GamingOnLinux

03:18 TR News; "I use flameshot for my screenshots which has built in annotation tools but if you want a stand alone solution that's much simpler than GIMP, look no further than annotator" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=iX-NKceEuqM

03:18 TR Bot; Flameshot Not For You? Try Out Annotator Instead! - Invidious

03:18 TR News; GDC 2022: Cloud gaming powered by Anbox Cloud | Ubuntu https://ubuntu.com//blog/gdc-2022-cloud-gaming-powered-by-anbox-cloud

03:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/gdc-2022-cloud-gaming-powered-by-anbox-cloud

03:18 TR Bot; 2022: Cloud gaming powered by Anbox Cloud | Ubuntu

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03:19 AdmFubar; geniuses! https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/have-iphone-cameras-become-too-smart

03:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: newyorker.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.newyorker.com/culture/infinite-scroll/have-iphone-cameras-become-too-smart

03:19 TR Bot; Have iPhone Cameras Become Too Smart? | The New Yorker

03:19 schestowitz-TR; 'Smart'

03:19 schestowitz-TR; like INTEL agencies

03:20 TR News; "Welcome to the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter, Issue 727 for the week of March 13 19, 2022." https://ubuntu-news.org/2022/03/21/ubuntu-weekly-newsletter-issue-727/

03:20 TR Bot; Ubuntu Fridge | Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter Issue 727

03:21 TR News; Clown. Outsourcing. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/general_dynamics_cloud/

03:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/general_dynamics_cloud/

03:21 TR Bot; General Dynamics awarded $4.5bn NGA hybrid cloud contract The Register

03:22 TR News; "Russia labels Meta an extremist organization, outlawing Facebook and Instagram. WhatsApp is exempt from the ruling, because it doesnt have a public information sharing function." https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/

03:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/

03:22 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Russia-Ukraine conflict - Access Now

03:22 TR News; Games: GoG, Office Management 101, Steam, and GDC Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162814

03:22 TR Bot; Games: GoG, Office Management 101, Steam, and GDC | Tux Machines

03:23 TR News; Josh Simmons is out. From OSI. That's good. https://opensource.org/blog/2022-osi-board-election-results see http://techrights.org/2021/06/01/wikipedia-osi/

03:23 TR Bot; 2022 OSI Board Election Results | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source...

03:23 TR Bot; The Libel Initiative: OSI President Falsely Insinuates OSI Critics Are Homophobic and Requests Censorship of Wikipedia (for OSI) | Techrights

03:24 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 338856 total Total number of pages in capsule: 39826 Active: active (running) since Mon 2022-02-07 16:50:38 GMT; 1 months 12 days ago

03:25 AdmFubar; pocket change for geniuses https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/03/20/046254/former-employee-accused-of-defrauding-apple-out-of-10-million?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

03:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: slashdot.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/03/20/046254/former-employee-accused-of-defrauding-apple-out-of-10-million?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

03:25 TR Bot; Former Employee Accused of Defrauding Apple Out of $10 Million - Slashdot

03:25 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 110 GB TotalOut: 56 GB

03:26 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.

03:29 TR News; MassOS GNU/Linux 2022.02.2 Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XKBLxzFan4o

03:29 TR Bot; MassOS GNU/Linux 2022.02.2 Quick overview #Shorts - Invidious

03:32 AdmFubar; https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60793847

03:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60793847

03:32 TR Bot; launches virtual beer in self-mocking metaverse 'joke' - BBC News

03:33 TR News; Those messages should say, "MOVE TO GNU/LINUX" https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/win_11_hardware_requirements_nagware/

03:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/win_11_hardware_requirements_nagware/

03:33 TR Bot; Win 11 adds hardware 'requirements not met' nag for Insiders The Register

03:33 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162815

03:33 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

03:34 TR News; Debian is turning 30 (in September next year) and it needs to change direction in order to attract volunteers like it did back in the 1990s http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/debian-errors/

03:34 TR Bot; Keeping Debian Healthy as It Enters Its 30th Anniversary | Techrights

03:37 IPFS; QmYDUiQWeiJU7WCsdP3xeCnELkr2V2Y9aQVLP4Z8n6efVs

03:37 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.

03:38 TR News; "It was a while since I last spoke Swedish on a podcast. I joined the friendly hosts of the Trevlig Mjukvara (translates to something like Nice Software) podcast and we talked software development, open source, curl, Mozilla and a few other topics for an hour. I had a great time." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/22/trevlig-mjukvara/

03:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/22/trevlig-mjukvara/

03:38 TR Bot; Mjukvara | daniel.haxx.se

03:41 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: meta :-)

03:41 schestowitz-TR; can't believe the media plays along with that BS so much

03:41 schestowitz-TR; I still see articles about "NFT"

03:42 TR News; The First Alpha of Asahi Linux is Available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33147

03:42 TR Bot; The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines

03:46 TR News; "From designers to writers, multi-media producers and moreif you perform creative work on a computer theres a good chance you can find a browser extension to improve your process. Heres a mix of practical Firefox extensions for a wide spectrum of creative uses" https://addons.mozilla.org/blog/firefox-extensions-for-creatives/

03:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://addons.mozilla.org/blog/firefox-extensions-for-creatives/

03:46 TR Bot; Firefox extensions for creatives - Firefox Add-ons Blog

03:47 TR News; Migrating From irssi to weechat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162816

03:47 TR Bot; Migrating From irssi to weechat | Tux Machines

03:47 TR News; Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: MassOS, Flameshot, Late Night Linux, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162817

03:47 TR Bot; Videos/Audiocasts/Shows: MassOS, Flameshot, Late Night Linux, and More | Tux Machines

03:48 TR News; Partly a waste of CPU cycles https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/how-fuzzing-can-make-your-open-source-project-more-secure-and-reliable/

03:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ibm.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://developer.ibm.com/blogs/how-fuzzing-can-make-your-open-source-project-more-secure-and-reliable/

03:48 TR Bot; How fuzzing can make your open-source project more secure and reliable IBM Developer

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03:50 TR News; Microsoft ships malware, media blames "open source" https://quickfix.es/2022/03/breaking-open-source-not-to-blame-in-node-ipc-debacle/

03:50 TR Bot; Breaking: Open Source not to Blame in node-ipc Debacle Quick Fixes

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03:52 TR News; Linux Kernel 5.17 Released http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162775#comment-33148

03:52 TR Bot; Linux Kernel 5.17 Officially Released, This Is Whats New | Tux Machines

03:58 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/google_messages_gdpr/

03:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/21/google_messages_gdpr/

03:58 TR Bot; Messages, Dialer apps sent text, call info to Google The Register

4 AM, March 22

04:04 TR News; Join the EPO Strike | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/joining-epo-strike-2022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/21/joining-epo-strike-2022/

04:04 TR Bot; Join the EPO Strike | Techrights

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04:05 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Monday, March 21, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

04:05 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives

04:05 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing

04:05 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index

04:10 TR News; Pretty much all Apple Clown disservices went down today. Apple had no comment. - BaronHKs Rants https://baronhk.wordpress.com/2022/03/21/pretty-much-all-apple-clown-disservices-went-down-today-apple-had-no-comment/

04:10 TR Bot; Pretty much all Apple Clown disservices went down today. Apple had no comment. BaronHK's Rants

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04:12 TR News; The high hidden cost of version inflation https://miketaylr.com/posts/2022/03/chrome-100-breakage-playbook.html

04:12 TR Bot; Chrome 100 Breakage Playbook

04:13 TR News; You do not need blockchains for this https://news.bitcoin.com/blockchain-startups-digital-identity-solution-made-available-to-50000-zimbabwean-patients/

04:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bitcoin.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.bitcoin.com/blockchain-startups-digital-identity-solution-made-available-to-50000-zimbabwean-patients/

04:13 TR Bot; Blockchain Startup's Digital Identity Solution Made Available to 50,000 Zimbabwean Patients Technology Bitcoin News

04:13 TR News; Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162818

04:13 TR Bot; Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines

04:17 TR News; Mozilla: Version Inflation, Extensions, and DRM Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162819

04:17 TR Bot; Mozilla: Version Inflation, Extensions, and DRM | Tux Machines

04:20 TR News; There's finally a Linux distro with native support for Apple's M1 series http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33149

04:20 TR Bot; The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines

04:21 TR News; Why its easier to recover unsaved documents in Kate than GEdit Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162820

04:21 TR Bot; Why its easier to recover unsaved documents in Kate than GEdit | Tux Machines

04:21 TR News; Facts vs Feelings - Open Source Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162821

04:21 TR Bot; Facts vs Feelings - Open Source Security | Tux Machines

04:21 TR News; We look back at a busy day (yesterday) of conflict and messy affairs; corruption at the EPO has reached the point of meltdown http://techrights.org/2022/03/21/joining-epo-strike-2022/

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04:40 TR News; "Testing EasyOS 3.4.3, forum member BologneChe reported that the Xorg synaptics driver has not loaded." https://bkhome.org/news/202203/kernel-51516-touchpad-does-not-work.html

04:40 TR Bot; Kernel 5.15.16 touchpad does not work

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5 AM, March 22

05:02 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162822

05:02 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

05:02 TR News; Glorious Day for Rights of European Workers | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/epo-day-of-strike/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/epo-day-of-strike/

05:02 TR Bot; Glorious Day for Rights of European Workers | Techrights

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05:04 TR News; Inject DB connections in Golang gRPC API https://fale.io/blog/2022/03/21/inject-db-connections-in-golang-grpc-api

05:04 TR Bot; NO TITLE

05:04 TR News; "What is gem-compare, you ask? gem-compare is a RubyGems plugin that can compare gem versions. I originally created it to vet new gem versions I packaged for Fedora, but its useful for all kinds of tasks." https://nts.strzibny.name/gem-compare-1.0/

05:04 TR Bot; gem-compare goes 1.0

05:07 TR News; 6 Universal Readable Code Tricks To Improve Your Coding Skills https://python.land/readable-code

05:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: python.land | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://python.land/readable-code

05:07 TR Bot; 6 Universal Readable Code Tricks To Improve Your Coding Skills Python Land Blog

05:09 TR News; Vortex86 CPUs gain new life with Linux kernel detection and a 3.5-inch SBC Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162823

05:10 TR Bot; Vortex86 CPUs gain new life with Linux kernel detection and a 3.5-inch SBC | Tux Machines

05:11 TR News; When corporations wish to 'cancel' you it does NOT matter how "PROFESSIONAL" you try to seem to appease them. It won't work. They'll distort and make things up over and over again until they get their way.

05:11 TR News; Samba 4.16.0 Available for Download Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162824

05:11 TR Bot; Samba 4.16.0 Available for Download | Tux Machines

05:12 TR News; Ignore all this money I get from companies I write about, says the 'analyst'. "AWS, Hasura, Heroku (Salesforce) and MongoDB are RedMonk customers. Netlify, Prisma and Vercel are not currently customers." https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/03/21/vertical-integration/

05:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: redmonk.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://redmonk.com/sogrady/2022/03/21/vertical-integration/

05:13 TR Bot; Vertical Integration: The Collision of App Platforms and Database tecosystems

05:14 TR News; SUSE's latest marketing fluff, citing Microsoft proxy Accenture, which viciously attacks GNU/Linux https://www.suse.com/c/banks-must-embrace-customer-centric-reinvention-today/

05:14 Alternative link; Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/banks-must-embrace-customer-centric-reinvention-today/

05:14 TR Bot; Must Embrace Customer-Centric Reinvention Today | SUSE Communities

05:14 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 25.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 27.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.96

05:14 TR News; "Combining faces at various view angles and a consistent light setup and different facial expression (all from imagination) is really difficult. I often struggle about the close-up panel on the comic, especially during dialog scene that require this consistency of characters and shaders/light." https://www.davidrevoy.com/article901/painting-studies

05:14 TR Bot; Painting studies - David Revoy

05:15 TR News; Capacitive Soil Moisture Sensor with Raspberry PI Pico: wiring, code and calibrating with MicroPython https://peppe8o.com/capacitive-soil-moisture-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-wiring-code-and-calibrating-with-micropython/

05:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: peppe8o.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://peppe8o.com/capacitive-soil-moisture-sensor-with-raspberry-pi-pico-wiring-code-and-calibrating-with-micropython/

05:15 TR Bot; Capacitive Soil Moisture Sensor with Raspberry PI Pico: wiring, code and calibrating with MicroPython

05:16 TR News; More than A Phone: How Purism Advocates Digital Security &ndash; Purism <p><img src="" border="0" align="left" width="160" hspace="20" vspace="20" style="padding: 17px 17px 17px 17px; box-shadow: 5px 5px 5px #222;" /> <p class="dropcap-first"> <a href="https://puri.sm/posts/purism-digital-security/"><img src="/files/read-on-white.png" alt="Read more" title="Read the rest of this article" /></a>

05:16 TR Bot; More than A Phone: How Purism Advocates Digital Security Purism

05:17 TR News; "PureOS: A Debian-based 100% free software truly convergent operating system developed and maintained by Purism. It is an Operating System that is not based on Android or iOS. Purisms PureOS was also where all the development occurred for what we later pushed into GNOME" https://puri.sm/posts/purism-digital-security/

05:17 TR News; Workers of the EPO will stay out; they have more important things to do as priorities have shifted. Dont be a scab. Join the colleagues actions. http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/epo-day-of-strike/

05:24 DaemonFC; WGN running McDonalds ads.

05:24 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: I like how you said clown

05:24 schestowitz-TR; and disservices

05:24 DaemonFC; They're doing that Szechuan sauce thing again, and this time you have to use some stupid app to order it.

05:24 schestowitz-TR; we need to spread such vocabularies

05:24 schestowitz-TR; they can help wean people off the disservices

05:24 schestowitz-TR; they don't want to be clowns

05:26 DaemonFC; In the last 15 years, they haven't managed to add one year's worth of decent music to the major label catalogs, so paying for Spotify is basically paying for a lot of garbage.

05:26 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162825

05:26 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

05:27 TR News; Josh Simmons, Megan Byrd-Sanicki and Italo Vignoli Out of OSI Board, ASF Board Update Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162826

05:27 TR Bot; Josh Simmons, Megan Byrd-Sanicki and Italo Vignoli Out of OSI Board, ASF Board Update | Tux Machines

05:27 TR News; Debian and Ubuntu Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162827

05:27 TR Bot; Debian and Ubuntu Leftovers | Tux Machines

05:27 DaemonFC; Adam Ruins Everything did one about Spotify, schestowitz-TR

05:27 DaemonFC; And Apple Music, etc.... by way of saying "streaming revenues".

05:28 DaemonFC; He said that the cuts that the labels took for themselves and their lawyers and the company that does the streaming meant that you can't make enough money to get by just by doing music anymore.

05:28 schestowitz-TR; it's awful

05:28 DaemonFC; Even if it performs well in streaming.

05:28 schestowitz-TR; I have a lot of music collections

05:28 schestowitz-TR; and I can carry them on for 20+ years

05:28 DaemonFC; They have to do promotions and commercials and all of this shit because that's where the money is.

05:29 TR News; Links 22/3/2022: Samba 4.16.0 and EPO Strike Day | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/samba-4-16-0/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/samba-4-16-0/

05:29 TR Bot; Links 22/3/2022: Samba 4.16.0 and EPO Strike Day | Techrights

05:29 schestowitz-TR; most real musicians never make enough money to cover the basics

05:29 TR News; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162828

05:29 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines

05:31 TR News; Techrights is weaning itself off a dying SSD (my main laptop). Might slow down publication as we evacuate data to safer storage devices. Thanks for the understanding....

05:32 schestowitz; MinceR: gm gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D179.jpg

05:33 TR News; "I'm still mulling over how I can balance my desire to contribute positively to this digital community with my entrenched reticence to share anything whatsoever about what I do, say, or think with anyone anywhere, at any time." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/854

05:34 DaemonFC; I got that chest freezer I ordered today. Should store plenty.

05:42 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Apparently, someone in Aurora, CO pulled up at a gas station and filled up 3,000 gallons worth of diesel fuel into tanks they brought with them and then did something to the pump to where it just dispensed it without charging them.

05:42 DaemonFC; They made off with over $50,000 worth of diesel.

05:42 schestowitz-TR; wow

05:44 DaemonFC; Mandy was pretty pissed that I got a big chest freezer.

05:44 DaemonFC; I told him I was tired of seeing an entire shelf of markdown chicken or steak and only being able to grab a few and then leaning on the freezer door and strapping it shut.

05:45 schestowitz-TR; we thought the same

05:45 schestowitz-TR; but..

05:45 schestowitz-TR; decided not to do it

05:45 DaemonFC; As long as you package it properly, most meat freezes pretty well for a couple of years.

05:45 schestowitz-TR; 1) you are not guaranteed high occupancy

05:45 schestowitz-TR; 2) you pay for electricity

05:45 schestowitz-TR; 3) price of energy can go up sharply

05:45 schestowitz-TR; 4) it takes up space and can require repairs

05:46 schestowitz-TR; from what I can gather the discounts you get aren't much

05:46 schestowitz-TR; not like here where we can find 90% off or more

05:46 DaemonFC; Usually they run for years and years without trouble.

05:46 DaemonFC; My old one, I only lost it because I had to leave it at John's house.

05:47 schestowitz-TR; your sources of discounted food may also run out

05:47 schestowitz-TR; years down the line

05:47 schestowitz-TR; if you have an old fridge/freezer, you can add them

05:47 schestowitz-TR; but buying a spare just for storage will cost you in power bills

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05:53 DaemonFC; About $3 a month or so.

05:54 DaemonFC; Which these days is less than one trip to Jewel for meat in gasoline.

05:54 DaemonFC; *shrug*

05:54 schestowitz-TR; +price of freezer

05:54 schestowitz-TR; plus repairs

05:54 schestowitz-TR; plus occasional cleaning

05:54 schestowitz-TR; so you start at about $200 base

05:54 schestowitz-TR; then operation costs

05:55 DaemonFC; My last one ran fine for 6 years before shithead got it.

05:55 schestowitz-TR; and your discounts need to catch up and justify the expenditure

05:55 DaemonFC; No telling how long it would have lasted.

05:55 DaemonFC; Many refrigerators from the 1980s still run.

05:55 DaemonFC; They're not efficient, but they do run.

05:55 schestowitz-TR; they are efficient in other way

05:56 schestowitz-TR; like not having to be replaced every 5-10 years

05:56 schestowitz-TR; it takes a ton of energy to produce one

05:56 DaemonFC; Like an old car.

05:56 schestowitz-TR; our stupid kettle barely lasted a year (just a bit longer)

05:56 DaemonFC; People look at the gas mileage, but not the fact that the bank wants a lot of money for a new one.

05:56 schestowitz-TR; and it was a decent brand

05:56 DaemonFC; Fully a third of the cost of a car can be the bank interest!

05:57 DaemonFC; <schestowitz-TR> and it was a decent brand

05:57 DaemonFC; I got a $10 glass kettle from Amazon.

05:57 DaemonFC; It works fine almost two years later.

05:57 schestowitz-TR; that's nothing

05:57 DaemonFC; One of those Chinese brands.

05:57 schestowitz-TR; tell me when you reach 7 or 10

05:57 schestowitz-TR; our last one lasted 7

05:58 schestowitz-TR; not purchased onlinea

05:58 DaemonFC; I stocked up on instant coffee this week. iBotta.

05:58 schestowitz-TR; an actual store, not expensive but betteer material

05:58 schestowitz-TR; electronics have become really bad

05:58 DaemonFC; That's another thing. I stocked my old chest freezer with frozen food I got iBotta rebates on.

05:58 schestowitz-TR; in my experience, taiwan invests more in the components

05:58 DaemonFC; Still had room for markdowns!

05:59 DaemonFC; Mom and Gonad always had a chest freezer.

05:59 DaemonFC; They ended up with two refrigerators and a chest freezer going.

05:59 DaemonFC; The second fridge was JUST to keep Gonad's beer cold.

05:59 DaemonFC; And it was a fridge meant for a family.

05:59 DaemonFC; :)

05:59 schestowitz-TR; for his frosting+milk binges

05:59 DaemonFC; Oh no, that was Dave.

05:59 schestowitz-TR; ah, ok

05:59 DaemonFC; Third idiot.

6 AM, March 22

06:00 DaemonFC; He would straight up eat an entire container of cake frosting.

06:00 DaemonFC; Then wash it down with a GALLON of milk.

06:00 schestowitz-TR; at least he was happy

06:00 schestowitz-TR; for that while

06:00 DaemonFC; Then he'd sit there stretching out new underwear with his foot going "Why won't these fit? I know I'm a 2XL!".

06:01 schestowitz-TR; maybe better than heroin addiction

06:01 DaemonFC; Reminds me of Al Bundy going "Look, lady, you're a 9. I can accept it, why can't you?".

06:01 DaemonFC; Anyway, off to bed. :)

06:01 schestowitz-TR; 0/

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06:41 TR News; "Unlike applications or e-books, the experience of using the Web is not confined to content provided by one vendor." https://educatedguesswork.org/posts/web-security-model-origin/

06:41 TR Bot; Understanding The Web Security Model, Part III: Basic Principles and the Origin Concept

06:41 TR News; "I know I keep making this point, but it really can't be overemphasizedas long as the data sent to the client is valid HTML, the browser doesn't care how it was generated." https://educatedguesswork.org/posts/web-security-model-intro2/

06:41 TR Bot; Understanding The Web Security Model, Part II: Web Applications

06:42 TR News; "The advice to use strong types or to put units in names is not limited to variables and function arguments" https://ruudvanasseldonk.com/2022/03/20/please-put-units-in-names

06:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ruudvanasseldonk.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ruudvanasseldonk.com/2022/03/20/please-put-units-in-names

06:42 TR Bot; Please put units in names

06:43 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/599072-white-house-warns-russia-prepping-possible-cyberattacks-on-us

06:43 TR Bot; House warns Russia prepping possible cyberattacks against US | TheHill

06:44 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/599118-biden-asks-top-ceos-to-invest-in-combating-potential-cyberattacks

06:44 TR Bot; tells CEOs they have 'patriotic obligation' to guard against Russian cyberattacks | TheHill

06:44 TR News; "The outage impacted some apps and people differently. In some cases, an app like the App Store would load but would hang or wouldnt let you download an app." https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/apple-services-are-users-rcna20911

06:44 TR Bot; Apple services are down for some users

06:44 TR News; "Microsoft has not made any categorical denial of the claim that its Azure DevOps servers were breached and data stolen." https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/first-samsung-breach,-now-microsoft-lapsus$-makes-bold-claim.html"

06:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/first-samsung-breach,-now-microsoft-lapsus$-makes-bold-claim.html"

06:44 TR Bot; - First Samsung breach, now Microsoft: Lapsus$ makes bold claim

06:45 TR News; "The South American-based data extortion hacking group Lapsus$ has allegedly gained access to Microsoft's Azure DevOps source code repositories and stolen data from the company." https://www.techradar.com/news/microsoft-may-be-the-latest-victim-of-lapsusdollar

06:45 TR Bot; may be the latest victim of Lapsus$ | TechRadar

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8 AM, March 22

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08:18 kingoffrance; re: "cannot find why gcc/linker adds stuff which it should not/need not to do: __aeabi_unwind_cpp_pr0" my guess is even c code...might call other c code...that calls c++ ....so knowledge of c++ exceptions (im assuming that is what it is used for, from the name) is needed at multiple levels for things to work, because languages call eachother.

08:18 kingoffrance; and vice versa as well

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9 AM, March 22

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09:31 TR News; "And while sales figures are hard to come by, one report said that global purchases of dumbphones were due to hit one billion units last year, up from 400 million in 2019." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60763168

09:31 TR Bot; Not smart but clever? The return of 'dumbphones' - BBC News

09:34 TR News; KeePassXC 2.7 Password Manager Released with Major Changes, Heres Whats New Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162829

09:34 TR Bot; KeePassXC 2.7 Password Manager Released with Major Changes, Heres Whats New | Tux Machines

09:34 TR News; Ubuntu Users Receive a New Major Linux Kernel Update, 22 Security Flaws Patched Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162830

09:34 TR Bot; Ubuntu Users Receive a New Major Linux Kernel Update, 22 Security Flaws Patched | Tux Machines

09:36 TR News; The real risks of investing in cryptocurrencies [sic] https://www.parisbeacon.com/64005/

09:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: parisbeacon.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.parisbeacon.com/64005/

09:36 TR Bot; The real risks of investing in cryptocurrencies - Paris Beacon News

09:36 TR News; "Bitcoin mining is currently estimated to account for about 0.5% of global electricity consumption" https://arcticportal.org/ap-library/news-list/2783-bitcoin-is-a-pollution-creating-mess

09:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: arcticportal.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://arcticportal.org/ap-library/news-list/2783-bitcoin-is-a-pollution-creating-mess

09:36 TR Bot; Bitcoin is a pollution-creating mess - Arctic Portal

09:37 TR News; "The power consumption of cryptocurrencies is a contentious subject." https://singularityhub.com/2022/03/07/bitcoins-carbon-emissions-are-rising-after-chinas-crypto-ban/

09:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: singularityhub.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://singularityhub.com/2022/03/07/bitcoins-carbon-emissions-are-rising-after-chinas-crypto-ban/

09:37 TR Bot; Bitcoin's Carbon Emissions Are Rising After China's Crypto Ban

09:38 TR News; "A team of researchers from the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany has found that as Bitcoin miners have moved from China to the U.S. and other countries" https://phys.org/news/2022-02-bitcoin-carbon-emissions-countries.html

09:38 TR Bot; Bitcoin carbon emissions rise as mining moves to US and other countries

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09:45 SomeH4x0r; hi

09:45 matey; hi

09:46 XRevan86; hi

09:47 matey; this is a very friendly channel

09:47 matey; sometimes

09:48 matey; thats more often than a lot of irc channels though

09:48 matey; i mean this could be libera

09:48 matey; /me shudders

09:49 matey; i would consider libera like alice trying to chat with the queen of hearts

09:49 matey; except that everybody is the queen of hearts

09:49 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 21, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/irc-log-210322/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/irc-log-210322/

09:49 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Monday, March 21, 2022 | Techrights

09:49 matey; so then i was at libreplanet and richard stallman

09:49 matey; OFF WITH HER HEAD!

09:49 schestowitz-TR; matey: that's a good metaphor

09:50 matey; but all i said was

09:50 matey; OFF WITH HER HEAD!

09:50 matey; matey: that's a good metaphor <- sadly, it is

09:50 schestowitz-TR; with those other networks, freenode included, you need to appease about a dozen people

09:50 matey; and not just to toot my own horn, thats where we are now

09:50 schestowitz-TR; if they are volunteers, they owe you nothing

09:50 schestowitz-TR; if they are staff (their term), it's run like a company

09:50 schestowitz-TR; either way, it is a limiting factor

09:51 schestowitz-TR; [09:47] <matey> this is a very friendly channel

09:51 schestowitz-TR; preceded by a Ukranian, saying hi, replied to by Russian, then America

09:51 matey; i wasnt joking, but there is a tongue-in-cheek aspect to it

09:51 matey; yes, thats a fair assessment

09:51 schestowitz-TR; which I think is how corporations should, but do NOT, define diversity

09:51 matey; my first thought after saying that

09:52 schestowitz-TR; they just mix colours and stuff

09:52 schestowitz-TR; for the brochures

09:52 matey; well, theres definitely two sides to it

09:52 matey; but it doesnt negate what i said

09:52 schestowitz-TR; "look! we work for ICE!!! But we employ some latinos... as janitors"

09:52 matey; basically that

09:52 schestowitz-TR; [18:47] <techrights-news> Who thought Gulag would profit from a gulag? https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/google-settles-over-firing-workers-protesting-immigration-cloud-deal-2022-03-21/ Microsoft also: http://techrights.org/2021/04/04/microsoft-nationalism/

09:52 TR Bot; settles over firing of workers protesting immigration cloud deal | Reuters

09:52 TR Bot; Microsoft: Nationalism As A Service (NaaS) | Techrights

09:53 schestowitz-TR; "SOOOO WOKE"

09:53 matey; ibm is run by a woman, but also helps people kill (sorry, detain) people for being brown

09:53 matey; but wait, they dont do that anymore

09:53 matey; now they (other horrible thing)

09:53 matey; plus, female at the helm!

09:53 schestowitz-TR; ICBM

09:53 schestowitz-TR; maybe they are happy

09:53 schestowitz-TR; they stay in Russia

09:53 schestowitz-TR; like Tom Watson

09:53 matey; did he go to russia? i only knew about his trips to germany

09:53 schestowitz-TR; and they get to sell more nuclear systems in the USA

09:54 schestowitz-TR; because with growing tensions it means more sales

09:54 schestowitz-TR; matey: his son flew support missions to Moscow

09:54 matey; /me buys flags and waves them

09:54 schestowitz-TR; to give Stalin supplies

09:54 matey; ah yes stalin, the great leftist

09:54 schestowitz-TR; the son later became IBM's chief

09:54 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/russia-history-ibm/

09:54 TR Bot; IBM and Red Hat Boycott Russia and Belarus, But IBMs History Tells a Different Story | Techrights

09:54 schestowitz; they even took group photos

09:55 matey; they always take group photos

09:55 matey; watson and hitler, gates and epstein

09:55 schestowitz-TR; foolish

09:55 matey; its pride

09:55 schestowitz-TR; they don't know if someone in the group winds up being a mass murderer, pedo etc.

09:55 schestowitz-TR; it's status by association

09:55 schestowitz-TR; like me taking photos with rms (I never did)

09:55 matey; they don't know if someone <- daemonfc will confirm this: its not that they dont know, its really that they dont care

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09:56 matey; i would have taken a photo with rms

09:56 schestowitz-TR; matey: you summoned him

09:56 matey; but it would have to be someone elses camera

09:56 schestowitz-TR; taking photos is easy

09:56 matey; you summoned him <- i was thinking loud enough that it wouldnt have mattered if i said the name or not

09:56 schestowitz-TR; the other stuff is harder

09:57 matey; <matey> they always take group photos

09:57 matey; <matey> watson and hitler, gates and epstein

09:57 matey; <schestowitz-TR> they don't know if someone in the group winds up being a mass murderer, pedo etc.

09:57 matey; <matey> they don't know if someone <- daemonfc will confirm this: its not that they dont know, its really that they dont care

09:57 matey; ^ daemonfc

09:58 schestowitz-TR; I am trying to think if I took bad group photos

09:58 schestowitz-TR; incrimination "by association"

09:58 matey; theres that one with you and jeffrey dahmer

09:58 matey; /me made it up

09:58 matey; and bob sagat, after he... no, thats a gilbert gottfried routine

09:58 schestowitz-TR; when justin timberlake was in the gym about 20 years ago I asked

09:58 schestowitz-TR; but his bodyguard said no

09:59 matey; there you go

09:59 schestowitz-TR; my sister wanted me to get a photos

09:59 schestowitz-TR; because she was a fan

09:59 matey; naturally

10 AM, March 22

10:00 TR News; Can't argue with Vlad on this one... https://today.rtl.lu/news/business-and-tech/a/1885004.html

10:00 TR Bot; RTL Today - Social media crackdown: Russia bans Instagram and Facebook as 'extremist'

10:01 TR News; Social control media = cesspool, very seldom information https://thehill.com/policy/international/599079-facebook-failed-to-detect-hate-speech-against-rohingya-report-finds

10:01 TR Bot; failed to detect hate speech against Rohingya, report finds | TheHill

10:01 TR News; Social control media is an accelerator of conflict.

10:02 TR News; "Multiple social media posts purport to show a photo of a Ukrainian farmer stealing a Russian rocket." https://today.rtl.lu/news/fact-check/a/1885225.html Social control media = Misinformation/Disinformation

10:02 TR Bot; RTL Today - Fact Check: This is an old NASA photo doctored to add a tractor

10:03 TR News; "The video was released on YouTube just hours after Downing Street accused Vladimir Putins Russia of hoaxing the Defence Secretary and Priti Patel, the Home Secretary, through impostors" https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/03/21/russia-releases-video-ben-wallace-supporting-ukraines-nuclear/

10:03 TR Bot; Watch: Russia releases hoax video of Ben Wallace discussing Ukraines nuclear ambitions

10:03 TR News; Now the Islamic Republic of United Kingdom must release Julian Assange (to show it's better than Iran) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/03/19/exclusive-nazanin-zaghari-ratcliffe-spends-first-days-reunited/

10:03 TR Bot; Exclusive: Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe spends first days reunited with family at Chancellors Georgian mansion

10:04 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.10 k/sec., IPFS upstream 29.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.95

10:04 IPFS; 279.95

10:04 TR News; GNU Linux-Libre 5.17 Kernel Released for Those Who Seek 100% Freedom for Their PCs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162831

10:04 TR Bot; GNU Linux-Libre 5.17 Kernel Released for Those Who Seek 100% Freedom for Their PCs | Tux Machines

10:04 matey; someone was telling me they had heard of teletypes

10:05 matey; but didnt realise that you could still connect them to modern equipment

10:05 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/03/22/1087983743/putin-coat-zelenskyy-shirts-fashion-statement-russia-ukraine-war

10:05 Alternative link; Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/2022/03/22/1087983743/putin-coat-zelenskyy-shirts-fashion-statement-russia-ukraine-war

10:05 TR Bot; The political statements of Putin's blue coat and Zelenskyy's T-shirts. : NPR

10:05 matey; i said of course-- all computing is rube goldberg machines

10:05 matey; even a bash pipeline is a rube goldberg machine

10:05 DaemonFC; Makes "$119,000" a year, spends $14,000 on coat.

10:05 DaemonFC; What is this? A CNBC budget?

10:05 matey; sounds like marisol

10:05 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: NPR: "supported by listeners"

10:05 schestowitz-TR; covera war

10:06 schestowitz-TR; focuses on garments

10:06 matey; the listener supported bill and melinda station

10:06 schestowitz-TR; some 'journalism' you got there

10:06 DaemonFC; MALINDA

10:06 schestowitz-TR; maybe they shou;d probe Bill and Lolita Foundation on accountability

10:06 DaemonFC; "I just couldn't trust what we had."

10:07 schestowitz-TR; Bill does not want a 61 year oild

10:07 schestowitz-TR; he wanted 16

10:07 matey; i know the divorce is going to beugly, but i still wonder who will get the oscar

10:07 schestowitz-TR; "he baby... me gots losta monies"

10:07 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/03/22/1087988691/washington-dc-attorney-general-grubhub-food-delivery-lawsuit

10:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.npr.org/2022/03/22/1087988691/washington-dc-attorney-general-grubhub-food-delivery-lawsuit

10:07 TR Bot; D.C. sues Grubhub for allegedly using deceptive trade practices : NPR

10:08 matey; /me invented "beugly" today, which is anything that has a bugle-like quality

10:08 TR News; "Ferrell hoped her experience organizing a campaign against book challenges might be instructive to others who similarly oppose what she views as a politically-driven campaign" https://text.npr.org/1087000890

10:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1087000890

10:08 TR Bot; Book bans and the threat of censorship rev up political activism in the suburbs

10:08 DaemonFC; Yes, I've heard about people cursing out restaurant workers and leaving bad reviews because GrubHub screwed them on their order, even though the restaurant did not consent to being on GrubHub.

10:08 DaemonFC; The apps are unsustainable.

10:08 matey; well you know, if someone will call the police about mcnuggets

10:09 DaemonFC; This Walmart+ thing in particular is a joke.

10:09 matey; "hello, 911? someone got my order wrong"

10:09 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D179.jpg

10:09 matey; before there was karen

10:09 DaemonFC; Nobody picks up orders that only pay $4-5 and require going across town.

10:09 schestowitz; (cat) gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D537.jpg

10:09 matey; /me has heard of walmart+, but usually they call it amazon

10:09 DaemonFC; Some people did at first and then found out Walmart encourages you not to tip them and just says "free delivery from store".

10:09 DaemonFC; IOW, Walmart basically expects the driver to work for free.

10:10 DaemonFC; That's their problem!

10:10 matey; why not? they expect it of their workers

10:10 TR News; TWITTER: NO HUMOUR HERE!! Go urge people to KILL A RUSSIAN instead!! That's better for ENGAGEMENT. https://nypost.com/2022/03/21/babylon-bee-editor-we-refuse-to-bow-to-twitters-censorship-of-a-joke/

10:10 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nypost.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://nypost.com/2022/03/21/babylon-bee-editor-we-refuse-to-bow-to-twitters-censorship-of-a-joke/

10:10 TR Bot; Babylon Bee editor: We refuse to bow to Twitter's censorship of a joke

10:10 matey; and their shoppers (at the checkout)

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10:11 TR News; Apple products: shits in white plastics. DRM: "Unlike all of Apples other M1-powered computers, the Mac Studios storage isnt soldered onto the mainboard" https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/21/22989226/apple-mac-studios-removable-ssd-blocked-software-replacement

10:11 TR Bot; The Mac Studios removable SSD is reportedly blocked by Apple on a software level - The Verge

10:12 TR News; "Ians Take: After Apples announcement that they were going to allow users to repair their iPhones with genuine Apple parts, I had hoped that Apple would allow upgradeability." https://appletrack.com/the-mac-studios-upgradability-has-been-locked-in-software/

10:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: appletrack.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://appletrack.com/the-mac-studios-upgradability-has-been-locked-in-software/

10:12 TR Bot; video shows Mac Studio is upgradable (but Apple blocked it in software) - AppleTrack

10:12 TR News; There's no such thing as "unsupported PC" so just move to GNU/Linux and help save the planet, too https://www.pcworld.com/article/624957/running-windows-11-on-an-unsupported-pc-get-ready-for-a-desktop-watermark.html

10:12 TR Bot; Windows 11 on an unsupported PC? Get ready for a desktop watermark | PCWorld

10:15 matey; me ranting about guis: (which im not entirely against, but there are drawbacks)

10:15 matey; stability is stability, reliability is reliability. thats harder to fake

10:15 matey; than a useful standard. and nearly impossible to get from a gui, too! why

10:15 matey; are guis so unstable? because theyre visual, and subject to fashion. and

10:15 matey; you know how fashion works-- out with everything, in with everything new!

10:15 matey; "but i use to this to" "DOESNT MATTER! CHECK OUT OUR FALL LINE!"

10:16 DaemonFC; https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/amid-high-gas-prices-chicago-man-goes-viral-for-putting-mortgage-payment-in-rv-tank

10:16 TR Bot; Amid high gas prices, Chicago man goes viral for putting 'mortgage' payment in RV tank

10:16 DaemonFC; An entire country risks living in a tent.

10:16 schestowitz-TR; risks?

10:16 schestowitz-TR; it's common already

10:16 DaemonFC; Fox32 Chicago posts about high gas prices making people who own an RV angry.

10:16 schestowitz-TR; but the rich will leave

10:16 schestowitz-TR; with their offshore accounts

10:16 matey; i said a bunch of things, but among them: you make a gui of something, you either promise to red o it whenever gtk "reinvents itself" or you have some debian person say "its unmaintained" meaning "they didnt redo all the gui code"

10:17 DaemonFC; Hunter Biden's laptop of child porn and money laundering.....

10:17 matey; youre adding a feature that adds instability to your project

10:17 DaemonFC; The New York Post is talking about it again.

10:17 matey; but sometimes guis are useful. its a cost/risk assessment

10:17 matey; and if you can avoid them (or make them separate) thats a plus

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10:18 matey; o/ CParadoxum__

10:18 DaemonFC; "If youre looking for other ways to save money on gas, personal finance expert Dave Ramsey shared six smart tips recently with FOX Business:"

10:18 DaemonFC; LOL

10:19 DaemonFC; Use loyalty programs, carpool, eat the cats.... Advice from the rich on how to deal with Bidenflation.

10:19 DaemonFC; The cats eat $17 in food every week.

10:19 DaemonFC; Do you really need those?

10:19 DaemonFC; -Dave Ramsey

10:20 DaemonFC; It's not cheap to take care of a cat or a dog, properly.

10:21 matey; there are free kittens, there are no free cats

10:21 DaemonFC; If you feed them the big bag of food off the pallet that costs $9.99, it's not really what they need in order to live a long time and be healthy.

10:21 matey; and the kittens arent free for a whole week

10:21 DaemonFC; Lots of cheap fillers and garbage. The first ingredient is probably corn.

10:21 matey; The first ingredient is probably corn. <- same as the shit they sell to people to eat

10:21 DaemonFC; With the really cheap cat foods, you sometimes get to the third ingredient before there's any meat.

10:22 DaemonFC; Yes, but corn doesn't harm people really.

10:22 matey; taco bell could just pivot and put their stuff in cans.

10:22 DaemonFC; Cats are carnivorous. They're supposed to eat meat exclusively.

10:22 matey; Yes, but corn doesn't harm people really. <- someones never heard of novartis

10:22 DaemonFC; The expensive dried cat food is usually about 60-70% meat, but the cheap stuff is usually only about 20-30%, and that's why it's so cheap.

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10:23 DaemonFC; They're putting corn and stuff in there and then only by the third ingredient do you get to "meat byproduct meal" which is internal organs and stuff, which there's nothing wrong with as an ingredient, but.....

10:24 TR News; Court Says Non-Open 'Open Source' Code is False Advertising - SoylentNews https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=22/03/19/1546209 while OSI advertises proprietary Microsoft/GitHub as open!! What an OWN goal.

10:24 TR Bot; Court Says Non-Open 'Open Source' Code is False Advertising - SoylentNews

10:24 DaemonFC; It should read something like "Chicken, Chicken byproduct meal, dried egg powder" and only then should it get to some sort of rice or pea ingredient (not corn).

10:24 DaemonFC; And this should be the minimum you consider feeding the cat.

10:24 bnchs; matey: i'm trying to split up a client (that has both the server communications and GUI) into a daemon

10:24 TR News; Humour not allowed in Twitter https://www.mediaite.com/online/were-not-deleting-anything-babylon-bee-defiant-after-twitter-locks-their-account-for-tweet-calling-rachel-levine-man-of-the-year/

10:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mediaite.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.mediaite.com/online/were-not-deleting-anything-babylon-bee-defiant-after-twitter-locks-their-account-for-tweet-calling-rachel-levine-man-of-the-year/

10:24 TR Bot; Babylon Bee Defiant After Twitter Suspends Their Account

10:25 DaemonFC; If you see corn as the top ingredient, it's not fit for a cat that will be primarily eating that.

10:25 bnchs; this is in a package unmaintained since 2012

10:25 DaemonFC; Outdoor cats hunt and mostly eat birds and rodents and insects.

10:25 matey; bnchs: impressive

10:25 matey; what package?

10:25 DaemonFC; So a few bites of cheap kibble won't hurt them much.

10:25 bnchs; its a cyber cafe management software

10:25 matey; nice

10:26 DaemonFC; People get a bit weird about their cats. Like, "I would never feed mine anything with BYPRODUCT MEAL!".

10:26 DaemonFC; If they kill and eat something outdoors, it's got organs and bones and all.

10:26 DaemonFC; What's wrong with ground up organs and bones? It's a good source of protein and minerals.

10:26 bnchs; i'm planning to use unix sockets for inter-process communication, but i dont know how that will work in windows

10:26 matey; but probably no corn

10:26 TR News; When Microsoft SHIPS MALWARE they blame "Open Source"; When PROPRIETARY Windows has issue guess what takes the blame... https://itwire.com/security/proofpoint-claims-attack-using-open-source-installer-to-target-windows.html

10:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/security/proofpoint-claims-attack-using-open-source-installer-to-target-windows.html

10:26 TR Bot; - Proofpoint claims attack using open-source installer to target Windows

10:27 DaemonFC; "All living things must eat!" -The Wraith Queen

10:27 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^

10:27 matey; but i dont know how that will work in windows <- probably not at all, unless windows has unix sockets :)

10:27 matey; /me knew what they meant

10:28 DaemonFC; "Looks like the food didn't agree with him!" -Col. Sumner "There we are quite different. We do not require OUR FOOD to agree with us." -The Queen

10:28 bnchs; matey: microsoft didnt even implement unix sockets in windows until 2017

10:28 matey; windows has ipc

10:28 matey; apple has imac

10:29 matey; microsoft didnt even implement unix sockets in windows until 2017 <- better late than never

10:29 DaemonFC; You _could_ use Unix Sockets on Services for UNIX-based Applications. But that was an overlay system.

10:29 bnchs; https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/af_unix-comes-to-windows/

10:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: microsoft.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/af_unix-comes-to-windows/

10:29 TR Bot; AF_UNIX comes to Windows - Windows Command Line

10:29 bnchs; windows has unix sockets in 2017

10:30 bnchs; windows before 2017: no way to communicate between processes

10:30 DaemonFC; Microsoft isn't thrilled about Wine or Proton.

10:30 DaemonFC; Bungie is supposedly independent now, but obviously not really.

10:30 DaemonFC; If they were, they wouldn't care if you used Proton or Wine as long as you bought a license to their game.

10:30 matey; secure socket layer for unix sockets for windows subsystem for linux

10:30 TR News; This was shipped by Microsoft; stop blaming "open source" when Microsoft sends malware around https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/21/22989339/protestware-attacks-russia-sberbank-open-source

10:30 TR Bot; After protestware attacks, a Russian bank has advised clients to stop updating software - The Verge

10:30 DaemonFC; Instead, they plan to ban your account if they find out you use it.

10:31 bnchs; "protestware"

10:31 TR News; More censorship https://www.kadn.com/news/community-members-fighting-back-against-censorship/article_a6b72b56-a983-11ec-b55a-87e4bf6b42ce.html

10:31 TR Bot; Members Fighting Back Against Censorship | News | kadn.com

10:31 bnchs; thanks to brandon miller

10:31 bnchs; i wish brandon miller would stop cheating on his wife

10:31 DaemonFC; An independent company who sees Proton users would say "Oh cool, our sales will go up 4-5% and Valve is doing all of the work.".

10:32 TR News; Gulag has already hung up on mariupol https://www.voanews.com/a/ukraine-rejects-russian-ultimatum-to-surrender-mariupol-/6494010.html see http://techrights.org/2022/03/10/donetsk-and-gulag-or-google-now-bans-parts-of-ukraine-for-being-invaded-by-russia/

10:32 TR Bot; Pentagon: 'Clear Evidence' of Russian War Crimes in Ukraine

10:32 bnchs; the best way to write a software

10:32 TR Bot; When Sanctions Go Toxic: Google, Co-Founded by Moscovite, Agrees With Moscow and Recognises Mariupol (Ukraine) as a Part of Russia | Techrights

10:32 DaemonFC; For Microsoft, it's a way to try to shore up Windows. They have their moles still in control of this company and are trying to use Bungie to prop up failing Windows marketshare.

10:32 bnchs; is to write it first for unix-like OSes

10:32 bnchs; and then port to windows with #ifdef _WIN32

10:33 matey; /me is looking forward to april

10:33 matey; for no reason

10:34 matey; rms is going to prove me right. or prove me wrong. its win-win. i hope he proves me wrong (he wont, but it would be nice)

10:34 TR News; "Well also discuss how computer education can help create the next generation of makers and builders that we need to solve some of societys biggest problems." EFF still pretending to support hacker culture? It is ATTACKING it. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/podcast-episode-hack-future

10:34 TR Bot; Podcast Episode: Hack to the Future | Electronic Frontier Foundation

10:36 bnchs; computer education

10:36 matey; would be a good idea

10:36 bnchs; as long as its not locking in people into proprietary OSes

10:36 matey; ^ even better

10:36 TR News; Hacking Justice: Julian Assange https://dontextraditeassange.com/events/hacking-justice-julian-assange-film-screening-and-qa/

10:36 TR Bot; Hacking Justice: Julian Assange - Film Screening and Q&A - Don't Extradite Assange

10:39 bnchs; also not locking in people into proprietary tools

10:40 DaemonFC; I don't know how hard it is to not cheat on your spouse.

10:40 DaemonFC; Librarian: "Make a promise, keep a promise!" Al Bundy: "Yeah yeah yeah. Make a pie, eat a pie!"

10:41 matey; systemd didnt qualify because its not a physical device https://yewtu.be/watch?v=VpLDfkLBJ0Q

10:41 TR Bot; Largest Rube Goldberg Machine - Guinness World Records - Invidious

10:41 bnchs; DaemonFC: do you agree there's an industry profitting off of divorces

10:42 DaemonFC; Yeah, they're called lawyers.

10:42 DaemonFC; The divorce lawyers haven't had business as good as they used to though.

10:42 DaemonFC; Less marriages to begin with, and less pressure on very young adults to get married off quickly to people they hardly know.

10:43 matey; and thats just the boot process

10:43 bnchs; what they profit off of

10:43 bnchs; is incompatible marriages

10:43 DaemonFC; Plus, there's divorce robots now.

10:43 DaemonFC; Instead of lawyers.

10:43 DaemonFC; If you and your spouse just want rid of each other and agree on how to split everything up, a robot can write up the court petition.

10:44 DaemonFC; Most sites charge about 2% of what you'd both pay for a divorce attorney.

10:44 bnchs; i mean pressuring people to get married

10:44 bnchs; and shilling marriage

10:44 DaemonFC; So if you don't have substantial assets and can come to an agreement, it's better to just use a program.

10:44 TR News; Maybe EFF should also tell people to ban/boycott DuckDuckGo (Microsoft proxy, spying) instead of shilling it https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/ban-online-behavioral-advertising

10:44 TR Bot; Ban Online Behavioral Advertising | Electronic Frontier Foundation

10:44 SomeH4x0r; ban online advertising in general

10:45 DaemonFC; Yeah, most people just aren't compatible with each other.

10:45 DaemonFC; And calling cohabitating for a while "living in sin" is just a ridiculous way to perpetuate a vicious cycle.

10:45 bnchs; yes and they thrive off that

10:45 bnchs; divorce, alimony

10:46 DaemonFC; It's almost impossible for people to keep up appearances for a year. If you live together for a year and call it a dry run before you get married, the ones that shouldn't be married will mostly figure that out before they make a big mistake.

10:46 DaemonFC; So discouraging cohabitation is a way to ensure there will be more bad marriages heading for divorce court.

10:47 DaemonFC; I'm not saying it should go on forever, but you have people like my mom where there was never any rush to get married like I was in, where the feds were looking for any excuse to get immigrants out of this country while Trump was in office.

10:47 DaemonFC; She was always married to another US citizen, so you didn't have USCIS making it a shotgun wedding.

10:48 DaemonFC; Then when she had nobody to blame but herself, she always found some reason why it's never her fault she's in the predicament she's in.

10:49 DaemonFC; If she had back the $60,000 she lost remodeling houses she lost to divorce and making the bills while Gonad drank her out of house and home and spent all of his money on that.....

10:49 DaemonFC; Or Dave.

10:49 DaemonFC; I mean, she let them pretty much live off her and spend their money doing whatever it is they wanted to do on payday.

10:50 DaemonFC; There's a lot of women who enable this for some reason.

10:50 DaemonFC; They don't think they can do better, or they think they don't deserve better, so they don't even try.

10:51 *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)

10:51 matey; he never did confirm

10:52 matey; Tue 09:55:54 matey they don't know if someone <- daemonfc will confirm this: its not that they dont know, its really that they dont care

10:53 *bnchs has quit (connection closed)

10:53 TR News; Raytheon: close friend of ICBM Red Hat https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/21/peace-activists-occupy-roof-raytheon-building-protest-war-profiteering see http://techrights.org/2020/04/24/raytheon-blessed-by-red-hat/

10:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/21/peace-activists-occupy-roof-raytheon-building-protest-war-profiteering

10:53 TR Bot; Peace Activists Occupy Roof of Raytheon Building to Protest War Profiteering

10:53 TR Bot; Giving Awards to Raytheon Wont Help Red Hats Image | Techrights

10:54 TR News; What has EFF done about it? Except spreading hate of its own? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/anti-war-hacktivism-leading-digital-xenophobia-and-more-hostile-internet

10:54 TR Bot; Anti-War Hacktivism is Leading to Digital Xenophobia and a More Hostile Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation

10:56 matey; the swish machine has only 70 steps but its way more epic. the guy has a ball rolling off the roof of his house-- theres a bicycle wheel that rolls across with nothing to guide it. you could have twice as many steps and not be as cool as that

10:57 matey; ^ guiness book rube goldberg machine (im sure the swish machine guy isnt mad at them, im just saying his is better than the record setting one)

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10:58 matey; theyre done at entirely different levels of scale and skill

10:58 bnchs; yes

10:58 bnchs; everyone is hating on russians

10:58 bnchs; "hacktivism"

10:58 matey; russians are ok

10:58 matey; not pudding

10:58 bnchs; but they discriminate against russians entirely

10:58 matey; thats dumb

10:59 bnchs; and it wasnt just a week ago, Brandon Nozaki Miller inserted malware into node-ipc

10:59 matey; node like node.js? npm, etc?

10:59 bnchs; that overwrites files in hard drive with hearts if IP was russian

10:59 bnchs; matey: it was a npm package

11 AM, March 22

11:00 matey; that overwrites files in hard drive with hearts <- does he have blue hair?

11:00 bnchs; no

11:00 bnchs; his social control media accounts got hacked for that

11:00 bnchs; and he got doxed

11:00 bnchs; turns out he cheated on his wife

11:01 matey; hacktivism targets companies and governments

11:01 matey; if you just target civilians based on, whatever

11:01 matey; thats not hacktivism, thats just being a cunt

11:01 bnchs; also he got pizzabombed and swatted

11:01 bnchs; people called the police on him

11:01 matey; i would have been against the swatting

11:02 matey; though really, thats a crime so... calling the police would be redundant

11:02 bnchs; yeah

11:02 matey; is he being charged?

11:02 bnchs; well i dont know

11:03 matey; im a bit sympathetic to people who actually do... conscientious... this wasnt-- hes a dick

11:03 bnchs; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Miller_(motorcyclist)

11:03 TR Bot; Brandon Miller (motorcyclist) - Wikipedia

11:03 bnchs; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Miller_(motorcyclist)

11:03 TR Bot; Brandon Miller (motorcyclist) - Wikipedia

11:03 matey; he has a wikipedia page?

11:03 bnchs; this was his self-made wikipedia page

11:04 matey; does he ride competitively or something? i can go to the link, but its slightly involved

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11:05 TR News; #HowTo Install AnyDesk on a Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, and Other major Flavours) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162832

11:05 TR Bot; How to Install AnyDesk on a Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Arch, and Other major Flavours) | Tux Machines

11:05 bnchs; no

11:05 bnchs; and even then he deserves to be doxed

11:05 bnchs; nothing but a malicious dev

11:06 matey; devils advocate (not really) time

11:06 matey; actually not devils advocate-- just looking at this from another angle

11:07 matey; any reasonable configuration of node-ipc

11:07 matey; would not...

11:07 matey; i dont know how node-ipc works, but you would hope it didnt have the permissions to write to anything important

11:07 matey; ive never used node.js-- i thought about it lots of times

11:08 matey; then it moved to github and i was like "no, thats ok"

11:08 TR News; Stop calling patents "IP" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/21/top-economists-and-oxfam-leader-demand-truly-just-covid-ip-waiver

11:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/21/top-economists-and-oxfam-leader-demand-truly-just-covid-ip-waiver

11:08 TR Bot; Top Economists and Oxfam Leader Demand Truly Just Covid IP Waiver

11:08 matey; or npm moved there

11:08 bnchs; node-ipc was meant for stuff like inter-process communications

11:08 bnchs; unix sockets

11:08 matey; hence the name

11:08 bnchs; TCP sockets or UDP

11:08 matey; but does ipc need to be able to write files?

11:08 bnchs; if it needs to talk to the socket, yes

11:08 TR News; GulagTube censorship https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/copyright-as-censorship-youtuber-pulls-down-gofundme-video-to-help-victim-of-viral-youtube-jumping-tesla-stunt

11:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/copyright-as-censorship-youtuber-pulls-down-gofundme-video-to-help-victim-of-viral-youtube-jumping-tesla-stunt

11:09 TR Bot; As Censorship: YouTuber Pulls Down GoFundMe Video To Help Victim Of Viral YouTube Jumping Tesla Stunt | Techdirt

11:09 bnchs; but the problem is node.js is inflexiblr

11:09 bnchs; node-ipc gets ran with same perms as the rest of the program

11:09 matey; right

11:09 bnchs; which is the user running the program

11:09 matey; this is why pledge is cool

11:10 matey; i dont know if pledge would help with this, it seems like the sort of scenario where pledge is useful though

11:10 matey; none of which is a defence of miller obviously

11:10 matey; im simply trying to figure out how much best practices would have mitigated this

11:11 matey; if youre only running node-ipc on production then it hoses those machines

11:11 matey; but probably youre using it in development, and...

11:11 bnchs; yes

11:11 bnchs; vue.js relies on node-ipc

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11:11 bnchs; unity hub relies on node-ipc

11:12 bnchs; its a supply chain attack

11:12 matey; of course

11:12 TR News; "In 2018, a court in the Netherlands ruled that companies selling access to a pirate IPTV playlist acted illegally, even though they weren't the suppliers of the infringing streams." https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-iptv-sellers-who-refused-to-pay-a-cash-settlement-get-sued-lose-220321/

11:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/pirate-iptv-sellers-who-refused-to-pay-a-cash-settlement-get-sued-lose-220321/

11:12 TR Bot; IPTV Sellers Who Refused to Pay a Cash Settlement Get Sued & Lose * TorrentFreak

11:12 TR News; "The bill requires online hosting services to implement standard technical protection measures" https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-senators-introduce-smart-copyright-act-to-combat-piracy-220321/

11:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/u-s-senators-introduce-smart-copyright-act-to-combat-piracy-220321/

11:12 TR Bot; Senators Introduce SMART Copyright Act to Combat Piracy * TorrentFreak

11:12 matey; /me has described supply chain attacks as ways for corporations to take over free software projects

11:12 matey; hopefully with the goal of people getting wise to this

11:13 bnchs; vue.js and unity hub is still affected by this

11:13 TR News; Internet is under attack https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/21/digital-darkness

11:13 Alternative link; Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/03/21/digital-darkness

11:13 TR Bot; NO TITLE

11:13 matey; github is one enormous supply chain attack

11:13 bnchs; when you launch them, the peacenotwar package (that brandon made and hard dep'd it to node-ipc) will make a file on the desktop

11:13 matey; vue.js and unity hub is still affected by this <- people havent already rolled back to a safe version of node-ipc?

11:14 TR News; Best Lightweight Linux Distributions For Older Computers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162833

11:14 TR Bot; Best Lightweight Linux Distributions For Older Computers | Tux Machines

11:14 bnchs; well npm did rollback to a safe version i think

11:14 matey; so the only people affected are those who havent heard, or havent done anything?

11:14 matey; obvously it doesnt fix itself

11:14 bnchs; the thing is creepy by itself

11:15 matey; i agree

11:15 bnchs; if you see a file that wasnt there before

11:15 bnchs; you would think theres malware

11:15 TR News; 10 Best Free and Open Source Universal Access Tools Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162834

11:15 TR Bot; 10 Best Free and Open Source Universal Access Tools | Tux Machines

11:15 matey; out of curiosity...

11:15 bnchs; brandon miller is still trying to justify this btw on github

11:16 matey; does the package (which deletes things to be a dick)

11:16 matey; and github hasnt banned him because npm is special to them

11:16 matey; does the package even spread useful information (to fight russian propaganda) to users?

11:16 matey; that would have been a better hack than you know...

11:16 bnchs; no

11:16 matey; /me shrugs

11:17 bnchs; it just makes a file in your desktop now

11:17 bnchs; called "FROM-AMERICA-WITH-LOVE.txt"

11:17 matey; and the file isnt even useful?

11:17 bnchs; no its just a bunch of garbage

11:17 matey; FROM-AMERICA-WITH-LOVE <- james bond reference

11:17 matey; "from russia with love"

11:18 bnchs; this shit would only unironically get russians in trouble

11:18 bnchs; "huh WHATS THIS FILE"

11:18 TR News; "From a performance standpoint we know building a homebrew Raspberry Pi cluster doesnt make a lot of sense, as even a fairly run of the mill desktop x86 machine is sure to run circles around it." https://hackaday.com/2022/03/21/cluster-your-pi-zeros-in-style-with-3d-printed-cray-1/

11:18 bnchs; "you have fake info???"

11:18 TR Bot; Your Pi Zeros In Style With 3D Printed Cray-1 | Hackaday

11:19 TR News; That's a war on scientific progress, too https://hackaday.com/2022/03/21/one-giant-leap-backwards-for-humankind-what-the-russia-ukraine-war-means-for-the-iss/

11:19 TR Bot; Giant Leap (Backwards) For Humankind: What The Russia-Ukraine War Means For The ISS | Hackaday

11:19 matey; missed opportunity

11:19 matey; this was a hack that could have done some good in the world

11:20 bnchs; developers shouldn't be a "hero"

11:20 matey; developers shouldn't be a "hero" <- thats a good rule of thumb

11:20 bnchs; this is will only backfire

11:20 matey; im starting with the premise that he felt COMPELLED to hack something

11:21 bnchs; and make people think that their program is simply a trojan horse

11:21 matey; he could have used it to spread information to people who might not have it otherwise

11:21 TR News; Stop saying "Big Tech", EFF. You use the vocabulary of Microsoft lobbyists. Have Microsoft moles taken over parts of EFF, too? https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/brazils-remuneration-right-strengthens-big-tech-and-big-media-cost-free-expression

11:21 TR Bot; Brazils Remuneration Right Strengthens Big Tech and Big Media, At the Cost of Free Expression and a Free Press | Electronic Frontier Foundation

11:21 matey; the shirt with the hddvd key, thats was a good hack

11:21 bnchs; yes

11:21 matey; even if it was useless to most people... it served the public

11:21 bnchs; something that doesnt involve sneaking malware into libraries

11:21 matey; yeah

11:22 matey; this is just bullshit

11:22 TR News; EFF = online censorship https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/make-social-media-work-better-make-it-fail-better-0

11:22 TR Bot; To Make Social Media Work Better, Make It Fail Better | Electronic Frontier Foundation

11:22 matey; of course you get to a certain age and you start thinking this way about hacks :)

11:22 matey; but i always preferred hackers with good intentions anyway

11:23 matey; or ones that went after people who really deserved it

11:23 bnchs; you could sneak info in a DVD

11:23 bnchs; something that doesnt impact a software's development

11:23 bnchs; in a horrible way

11:25 matey; i imagine node-ipc will start paying more attention to

11:25 matey; did he have full access or did someone let his pull request in?

11:25 matey; do we know?

11:26 bnchs; he owns node-ipc

11:26 bnchs; it will probably be forked

11:26 matey; ah

11:26 TR News; Boycott Starbucks. It's a company that hates human beings. https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-workers-have-now-filed-to-unionize-at-over-150-locations/

11:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/starbucks-workers-have-now-filed-to-unionize-at-over-150-locations/

11:26 TR Bot; Starbucks Workers Have Now Filed to Unionize at Over 150 Locations

11:26 matey; it will probably be forked <- yeah

11:26 bnchs; by a better programmer

11:26 matey; hooray for freedom 3

11:26 bnchs; that will not use it as a vehicle for malicious activity

11:27 matey; i wonder if hes on drugs

11:27 matey; i mean, youd think with the level of responsibility he had with node-ipc

11:27 bnchs; maybe after he paid 50 dollars to an adultery site

11:27 matey; it would take something serious for

11:28 TR News; Netflix trying to 'cash in', using serfs who chose DRM over rational distribution of "content" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/and-here-comes-the-backlash-to-netflix-trying-to-play-password-police/

11:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/and-here-comes-the-backlash-to-netflix-trying-to-play-password-police/

11:28 TR Bot; Here Comes The Backlash To Netflix Trying To Play Password Police | Techdirt

11:28 TR News; Propaganda boxes perish https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/cable-tv-companies-lost-nearly-5-million-subscribers-in-2021/

11:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/cable-tv-companies-lost-nearly-5-million-subscribers-in-2021/

11:28 TR Bot; TV Companies Lost Nearly 5 Million Subscribers in 2021 | Techdirt

11:28 matey; yeah i know better than to assume all developers are responsible just because they

11:29 matey; i mean we trusted shuttleworth with root :)

11:29 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162835

11:29 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

11:29 matey; and he couldnt even repay that with an honest answer

11:29 bnchs; also he was planning this

11:29 matey; "i fucked up, im s" "YOU ALREADY TRUST ME N00BZ!"

11:29 bnchs; brandon was planning for this day

11:30 matey; how far back?

11:30 bnchs; because the malware was written maybe many months ago

11:30 bnchs; evidence of that was erased

11:30 bnchs; let me check

11:31 matey; you think it was political to begin with, or just "imma put a backdoor in because... i can have this update if i ever want to get back at whoever"

11:31 TR News; EFF pretends to value free speech. I LOL. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/03/new-filter-mandate-bill-unmitigated-disaster

11:31 TR Bot; The New Filter Mandate Bill Is An Unmitigated Disaster | Electronic Frontier Foundation

11:31 matey; then he saw an opportunity to use it

11:32 matey; i realise this is a more convoluted scenario, just not a completely implausible one

11:32 matey; occams razor works better with physics than people

11:32 matey; people do crazy shit

11:33 bnchs; yeah

11:33 bnchs; maybe he saw the ukrainian invasion thing as justification

11:34 TR News; Systemic collapse starts like this https://truthout.org/articles/hundreds-of-chevron-workers-begin-strike-as-company-refuses-further-bargaining/

11:34 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/hundreds-of-chevron-workers-begin-strike-as-company-refuses-further-bargaining/

11:34 TR Bot; Hundreds of Chevron Workers Begin Strike as Company Refuses Further Bargaining

11:38 matey; https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2022/march/unite-calls-on-computer-chipmaker-arm-to-halt-job-cuts-and-open-up-the-books/

11:38 Alternative link; Cloudflare: unitetheunion.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2022/march/unite-calls-on-computer-chipmaker-arm-to-halt-job-cuts-and-open-up-the-books/

11:38 TR Bot; Unite calls on chipmaker ARM to halt job cuts and open up the books

11:38 bnchs; matey: https://github.com/RIAEvangelist/heart-attack

11:38 TR Bot; - RIAEvangelist/heart-attack: node js virus example. Only install on VM for testing. Never install on any primary computer or server.

11:38 bnchs; the malware was made back in july 2021

11:38 matey; was it made for node=ipc? (is that the same author or a 3rd party)

11:39 bnchs; although this only affects HTML pages

11:39 matey; oh

11:39 matey; so he made it nastier

11:39 bnchs; yeah

11:40 TR News; "Way back in 2020 I had jokingly suggested on Twitter that we should set up a bracket for the most frequently misunderstood legal concepts" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/announcing-techdirts-march-madness-get-your-bracket-for-the-most-misunderstood-legal-concept/

11:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/announcing-techdirts-march-madness-get-your-bracket-for-the-most-misunderstood-legal-concept/

11:40 TR Bot; Techdirts March Madness: Get Your Bracket For The Most Misunderstood Legal Concept | Techdirt

11:40 bnchs; the version in node-ipc affected every single file type

11:40 TR News; Free Speech https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/the-culture-of-free-speech-includes-criticism-of-others-speech-get-over-it/

11:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/the-culture-of-free-speech-includes-criticism-of-others-speech-get-over-it/

11:40 TR Bot; Culture Of Free Speech Includes Criticism Of Others Speech; Get Over It | Techdirt

11:40 bnchs; and overwrote the entire file contents with a heart emoji

11:40 matey; i assume its the unicode of ascii 3

11:40 matey; i mean the--

11:41 matey; cp437 is actually separate from unicode 03

11:41 matey; but in cp437 a heart is ascii 03 (which is unicode 03)

11:41 matey; the wikipedia article on cp437 shows you where all the unicode glyphs are for those characters

11:41 matey; roy uses some of them for the bot messages in here

11:42 bnchs; yeah

11:42 matey; "box drawing" characters and "gradients"

11:42 bnchs; but assuming that this malware goes back a year ago

11:42 bnchs; brandon was planning to add it to node-ipc

11:42 bnchs; or maybe

11:43 matey; or maybe he just found it recently?

11:43 matey; and changed *.html to *

11:43 bnchs; yeah

11:43 TR News; STOP PAYING ZUCKERBERG! https://www.desmog.com/2022/03/21/instagram-ads-can-help-fight-climate-disinformation/

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11:43 TR Bot; Ads Can Help Climate Facts Reach the 'Super Online,' Report Suggests - DeSmog

11:43 matey; unless we know otherwise, im going to assume this wasnt planned farther back than the invasion

11:43 bnchs; that seems more possible

11:44 matey; unless hes the author of the original malware (im guessing its 3rd party)

11:44 bnchs; he is the author

11:44 matey; im trying to understand how malware (which is documented as such) finds its way to github

11:44 bnchs; its a node.js "demo"

11:44 matey; ahh

11:44 matey; "demo"

11:44 matey; if hes the author of the original, thats different

11:45 schestowitz-TR; matey: Microsoft doesn't check anything

11:45 schestowitz-TR; it relays malware through npm also

11:45 schestowitz-TR; and then uses the media to blame the victims

11:45 schestowitz-TR; typical

11:45 schestowitz-TR; and the media never calls them out on it

11:45 schestowitz-TR; what they do all day is NOT check the integrity of things they disseminate

11:45 matey; schestowitz-TR of course not, but if its OPENLY malware (not hidden in some routine but packaged as such) i would expect people to report it SOMETIMES

11:45 schestowitz-TR; unike Mozilla (to a degree) and WordPress

11:46 bnchs; btw

11:46 schestowitz-TR; WordPress used to do review of themes

11:46 matey; after that, i would expect the USUAL level of care we have come to expect from microsoft

11:46 schestowitz-TR; to ensure no php malware in them

11:46 matey; really i was just curious what the policy was

11:46 bnchs; the malware in node-ipc was obfuscated base64 code that was hidden in a seemingly innocent commit titled "added ssl"

11:46 matey; not if they followed it

11:46 bnchs; or something

11:47 matey; the malware in node-ipc was obfuscated base64 code that was hidden in a seemingly innocent commit titled "added ssl" <- ah, ok

11:47 matey; svchost.dll

11:47 TR News; Lula Counters FBI-Backed "Corruption" Prosecution https://www.mintpressnews.com/lula-da-silva-counters-fbi-prosecution-lead-brazi-presidential-race/279981/ US loves accusing "RUSHA" of meddling... never itself

11:47 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mintpressnews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.mintpressnews.com/lula-da-silva-counters-fbi-prosecution-lead-brazi-presidential-race/279981/

11:47 TR Bot; Lula Counters FBI-Backed "Corruption" Prosecution to Lead Brazil's 2022 Presidential Race

11:47 bnchs; he deleted it after people caught onto it

11:47 matey; svchost.exe

11:48 TR News; More patents -> more variants -> more deaths https://truthout.org/articles/unease-about-possible-new-covid-surge-grows-with-rise-of-ba-2-variant/

11:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: truthout.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://truthout.org/articles/unease-about-possible-new-covid-surge-grows-with-rise-of-ba-2-variant/

11:48 TR Bot; Unease About Possible New COVID Surge Grows With Rise of BA.2 Variant

11:50 TR News; "This years recipients are computer scientist Paul Eggert, a faculty member at UCLAs Samueli School of Engineering, Emacs contributor Protesilaos Stavrou, and SecuRepairs" https://fossforce.com/2022/03/whos-who-in-open-source-three-honorees-receive-free-software-awards-at-libreplanet/

11:50 TR Bot; Three Honorees Receive 'Free Software Awards' at FSF's LibrePlanet - FOSS Force

11:51 matey; you know, he probably thought this was going to make him a hero

11:51 matey; as in, it would gain him respect or something

11:51 matey; its probably more about that than even trying to help anyone

11:52 matey; in other words, opportunism

11:52 matey; a shot at fame

11:52 bnchs; he only got bitten in the ass for it

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11:52 matey; whether its for selfish reasons or actual "good" intentions, its REALLY stupid

11:52 bnchs; developers shouldn't be a "hero"

11:52 TR News; "I guess ten years is long enough that Senator Pat Leahy thought everyone had forgotten about the SOPA/PIPA disaster that he was a leading reason for. Senator Leahy is on his way out of the Senate" ttps://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/senators-leahy-tillis-to-team-up-to-suggest-destroying-the-internet-for-hollywoods-sake/

11:53 matey; i dont know if i agree with that as a blanket statement

11:53 bnchs; hero as in

11:53 matey; i would say for certain MOST attempts to be a "hero" are going to be misguided

11:53 bnchs; sneaking in malware

11:53 matey; well yeah of course

11:53 bnchs; botnet crap

11:53 TR News; "Who are we to judge?, say federal court judges. Thats the questionable conclusion reached by an otherwise solid reading [PDF] of the constitutional implications of one of law enforcements favorite new tools: reverse warrants." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/federal-court-says-good-faith-prevails-in-deployment-of-extremely-questionable-reverse-warrant/

11:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/federal-court-says-good-faith-prevails-in-deployment-of-extremely-questionable-reverse-warrant/

11:53 TR Bot; Court Says Good Faith Prevails In Deployment Of Extremely Questionable Reverse Warrant | Techdirt

11:53 bnchs; or maybe even delete locale files

11:53 bnchs; for russians

11:53 matey; i mean this is one step up from script kidding shit

11:54 matey; its like if youre a script kiddie but then also someone trusts you with the supply chain

11:54 bnchs; deleting locale files is more harmless than this

11:55 matey; why the fuck would you delete locale files?

11:55 bnchs; locale files for the program

11:55 matey; loads of ukranians speak russie

11:55 matey; russian

11:55 bnchs; yeah

11:55 matey; just dumb

11:56 bnchs; most programmers' attempts to be a "hero" by doing these bullshit

11:56 matey; any notable projects that deleted locale files?

11:56 bnchs; uptime-kuma

11:56 matey; most programmers' attempts to be a "hero" by doing these bullshit <- surely this is a general category of idiocy to stay away from

11:57 bnchs; its a project that lets you moniter the uptime of your services

11:57 matey; i guess ps wasnt being maintained

noon, March 22

12:00 bnchs; the best way to handle the invasion is to...

12:01 bnchs; do nothing (to your program)

12:03 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.85 k/sec., IPFS upstream 18.03 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.94

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12:20 CrystalMath; that crap is not the first and by no means the last example of malware in open source repositories

12:23 matey; <CrystalMath> that crap is not the first and by no means the last example of malware in open source repositories <- no, pypi is already famous for this

12:23 matey; and gnome-looks

12:24 matey; themes with active code! why not?

12:24 matey; microsofts patent expired

12:24 matey; this isnt a new problem

12:24 matey; its the latest instance of an old problem

12:25 matey; pretty sure its not even the first instance with npm

12:26 matey; just the most famous (now)

12:26 matey; and you know, every time mozilla adds a new feature to firefucks

12:26 matey; thats basically "open source" malware too

12:28 matey; the good news is that this wont destroy brandon miller for good

12:28 matey; chances are, mozilla will hire him next year as their new cto

12:28 matey; since this is the sort of shit they would do anyway

12:29 matey; "at mozilla, everyone is a hero"

12:30 SomeH4x0r; what this time?

12:31 matey; brandon miller

12:31 matey; and mozilla

12:32 matey; SomeH4x0r: hypothetical / satire

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12:40 TR News; [Meme] Goodbye to the OSIs Microsoft Treasure(r) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/open-source-initiative-goodbyes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/open-source-initiative-goodbyes/

12:40 TR Bot; [Meme] Goodbye to the OSIs Microsoft Treasure(r) | Techrights

12:40 TR News; You know the Web/WWW is officially dead/dying when the W3C has OUTSOURCED its own Web site to CLOWNFLARE. Incredible.

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12:41 SomeH4x0r; when it happened?

12:41 matey; it didnt

12:41 matey; next year / never

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12:55 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO to Patent Blogs | Techrights

1 PM, March 22

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13:04 MinceR; schestowitz-TR: :3

13:05 schestowitz; MinceR: many Cheetah of the Day in gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/

13:05 MinceR; i thought that was a snow leopard :>

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13:06 matey; mincer: forced update

13:06 matey; though the battery doesnt last as long now

13:15 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mildly-terrifying-images-16.jpg

13:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mildly-terrifying-images-16.jpg

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13:41 psydruid; free software as malware

13:41 psydruid; way to go, free software developers

13:41 psydruid; you are now just as good as your closed source brothers

13:42 matey; imo if its on github its open source, not free software

13:42 matey; same for gnu

13:42 TR News; xkcd: Galaxies https://xkcd.com/2596/

13:42 TR Bot; Galaxies

13:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2596/

13:42 psydruid; I wonder if that's the next step

13:42 matey; people say theres no difference between open source and free software-- open source says that anyway

13:42 psydruid; to poison free software with this crap too

13:42 matey; psydruid: it happened with sourceforge

13:43 matey; gimp even (but only the windows version)

13:43 matey; via an installer sourceforge added

13:43 matey; the difference between free software and open source is a really simple one

13:43 matey; open source doesnt give a shit about your freedom

13:44 psydruid; and I wonder if this is one of Microsoft's goals

13:44 matey; maybe

13:44 matey; funnily enough im not sure this one has anything to do with microsoft

13:44 matey; though... it is the sort of story they love to feed to the tech press

13:45 matey; linux malware (actually windows, but malware, so "linux") etc

13:45 psydruid; yeah

13:46 matey; part of gnu wget is developed on github now

13:46 matey; maybe that will become protestware too?

13:47 matey; i suppose the term "dickware" will only get so far

13:47 matey; psydroid: my question is

13:47 matey; how long until mozilla hires this guy?

13:48 matey; i mean theyve been adding malware for a while

13:48 matey; heres their man

13:48 CrystalMath; psydruid: i'm coming to the conclusion that there's only two kinds of people in the west: ignorant and evil

13:48 CrystalMath; and that applies to *everyone* who is pro-western as well

13:48 CrystalMath; this isn't Microsoft, it was all Brandon

13:49 matey; CrystalMath: no, theres a witch of the west and a witch of the east

13:49 psydruid; matey, malicious companies hire malicious actors

13:49 matey; but are you a good witch or a bad witch?

13:49 psydruid; I wonder who still hires the good guys

13:50 matey; theres a telescope with infrared capabilities they launched several years ago

13:50 matey; maybe it can find a good company

13:50 matey; the good companies get bought by the bad companies

13:50 matey; the bad companies also get bought by bad companies

13:51 matey; the solution seems to be dont get bought by a company

13:51 matey; thats easier said than done

13:51 psydruid; CrystalMath, people in the west often don't realize their own hypocrisy

13:51 matey; s/in the west//

13:52 CrystalMath; i did make a mistake, what i said only applies to people who are pro-western

13:52 CrystalMath; so it's not about people in the west, but people who are pro-western

13:52 matey; /me is space-western

13:53 *psydruid feels like eating western spaghetti straight out of a spaghetti western

13:54 psydruid; CrystalMath, why would people be pro-western?

13:55 psydruid; what's in it for them?

13:55 matey; "sawdust songs of the plaid bartenders, western unions of the country westerns. silver foxes looking for romance in their chainsmoke kansas flashdance ass-pants."-- beck, "hotwax"

13:57 CrystalMath; psydruid: they are either ignorant or evil

13:58 CrystalMath; either they don't understand how evil the west is, or they support it, there is no third possibility, really

13:58 kingoffrance; i actually agree with CrystalMath 100% on this, but for different reasons perhaps.

2 PM, March 22

14:00 matey; putin invades ukraine to stop nato, some arsehole on github attacks russian ips, now the entire west is the problem

14:00 matey; im inclined to agree that the west is a problem, i still dont understand the timeline of events here

14:01 MinceR; the entire universe belongs to putler and anyone who disagrees is the problem

14:01 MinceR; obviously

14:01 matey; no theres sometimes weirder than that, i just dont know what it is

14:02 matey; something ^

14:02 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 40.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 16.60 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.93

14:03 matey; funnily enough free software and open source is largely an east vs west thing too

14:03 matey; free software is tupac, open source is biggie

14:03 matey; and just like tupac and biggie, they used to be friends

14:04 matey; at least perens. maybe.

14:04 matey; tldr: bruce perens is biggie

14:05 matey; i must be tired though

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14:05 matey; because tupac was west, i had it backwards

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14:06 matey; stallman is doing a thing in april on the state of east side software

14:06 matey; maybe the fsf will move to silicon valley

14:11 psydruid; Big FSF

14:11 matey; right?

14:11 psydruid; yes

14:11 psydruid; they should go for it

14:12 matey; get those contracts

14:12 matey; make ibm jealous

14:13 psydruid; so IBM will also want to move to the west?

14:13 matey; so ibm will look foolish for withdrawing their money

14:14 matey; big fsf makes all the connections

14:14 matey; knows all the right people

14:14 matey; big-money non-profit

14:14 matey; billion-dollar non-profit!

14:15 matey; its not what you do, its who you know

14:15 psydruid; I can see this becoming a really successful special operation

14:15 matey; its not what you stand for, its what they want

14:15 matey; of course the only problem is that the fsf already got rid of their big money (allegedly)

14:16 matey; i say it doesnt matter, the money might not be there anymore

14:16 matey; but the culture is still fucked

14:16 matey; maybe theyll prove me wrong

14:16 matey; been waiting for 7 years now

14:17 matey; but every few months they say "wait, just-- real soon, right around the corner"

14:17 psydruid; 7 big years in tibet

14:17 matey; and everything will be different-- and then, lucy grabs the football and charlie brown ends up on his arse again

14:17 matey; 7 years in tibet-- fsf: "ha, want TIBET?"

14:18 matey; psydruid: whats bothering you the most? im having trouble getting a read for...

14:19 matey; i mean what it is exactly

14:19 psydruid; matey, nothing bothers me anymore

14:20 matey; oh thats bad

14:20 psydruid; I'm just trying to see where to go from here

14:20 matey; thats good

14:21 matey; this node thing doesnt feel very big to me yet

14:21 matey; it still feels like something thats supposed to feel big

14:21 psydruid; I can't let the way things are now influence my outlook for the future

14:21 psydruid; or I would become eternally depressed

14:22 matey; "aint nothin goin on but history"-- basement jaxx, "red alert"

14:22 matey; a little glib, but relevant

14:23 XRevan86; 9 years

14:24 matey; <XRevan86> 9 years <- ok, but how do you figure

14:24 matey; oh, youve been waiting that long?

14:24 XRevan86; matey: That's the verdict on Navalny.

14:24 matey; ah

14:24 XRevan86; He got 9 more years.

14:24 XRevan86; in a strict colony

14:24 psydruid; 9 years in purgatory

14:29 CrystalMath; matey: you're forgetting the part where ukraine kills people in the donbass for 8 years, blocks a river to turn crimea into a desert, etc...

14:30 matey; CrystalMath: no, i dont

14:31 matey; i just dont do the math the way you do

14:31 matey; nor does anyone else in here as far as i can tell

14:31 matey; im pretty sure everyone in here (more or less) is aware of those events

14:32 matey; for example, psydroid posted a video that showed those as part of the explanation for whats going on

14:32 CrystalMath; yeah i just got angry and lashed out

14:33 CrystalMath; but i blame the originators of this, euromaidan, for everything that happened, up to and including the node-ipc malware

14:34 matey; i blame brandon miller for node-ipc

14:34 CrystalMath; and "we just wanted to join the EU" doesn't cut it once you realize that the EU as an organization supports these violent coups, and various violent behavior

14:34 matey; hes the idiot that thought it was a good idea

14:34 matey; once you realize that the EU as an organization <- im no fan of the eu

14:35 XRevan86; At least node-ipc reverted the destructive malware and only kept the notification code.

14:36 CrystalMath; matey: they were threatening the UK as well, and caused delays in the brexit procedures

14:36 CrystalMath; but whatever bad thing the EU does, pro-EU people one-up it

14:36 XRevan86; matey: CrystalMath hates the EU, and that somehow means that he supports Russia practically unconditionally.

14:37 matey; i dont like the eu at all

14:37 matey; but that doesnt change my dislike-pudding setting

14:37 matey; they arent linked

14:37 matey; i dont know if there are any "good guys" in this anywhere

14:37 CrystalMath; matey: well you live in america, i guess, you're safe from the EU

14:37 matey; its like an arsehole sandwich, and everyones in the middle

14:38 CrystalMath; i'm really not, i will literally have to run away from here

14:38 XRevan86; The Donbass conflict was pretty nasty, I don't know why people like CrystalMath assume that the occupying force there didn't commit any atrocities.

14:38 matey; CrystalMath: how is that different from the ukranians that already had to evacuate?

14:38 CrystalMath; matey: i pretty much concur that there isn't a good side

14:39 matey; I don't know why people like CrystalMath assume that the occupying force there didn't commit any atrocities. <- my assumption is CrystalMath assumes theres must be a "good side"

14:39 XRevan86; In fact, because I know that DPR/LPR does disinformation at the same level (if not worse) as Russia right now, I tend to distrust their claims by default.

14:40 CrystalMath; no, what i think is that the pepole of DPR and LPR are regular people, who were born in ukraine (maybe SSR), lived in ukraine, and then seceded because their rights and lives were severely threatened

14:40 XRevan86; I didn't follow that conflict as closely, so I won't make any statements with certainty.

14:40 CrystalMath; if you believe that DPR and LPR officials are russians planted there by Putin, then i understand your view, but i think that's completely wrong

14:40 matey; CrystalMath: im not sure youve managed to separate your politics from their reality

14:41 matey; which is fine as long as it doesnt lead to otherwise inexplicable conclusions.

14:41 CrystalMath; i believe "their reality" as absolutely true, in part thanks to various independent journalists who have been there

14:42 XRevan86; I know for sure that Russia (Surkov specifically) is directly involved in decision making in DPR.

14:42 XRevan86; So irrespectively of whether Russians or Ukrainians, there was planting involved

14:43 matey; "irrespectively of whether Russians or Ukrainians" sums up my feelings about everything so far

14:44 XRevan86; "because their rights and lives were severely threatened" <- The word is "FUD".

14:45 CrystalMath; matey: but yes i understand that me having to run away from the incoming threat of the EU is pretty much the same as ukrainians who are now running from russia, or the people from the donbass that ran away from ukraine into russia

14:46 matey; CrystalMath: i see a couple megacorporations fighting over the same resource, and no "good side"

14:46 matey; dpr lpr ukr <- pawns in this game

14:46 CrystalMath; matey: it's just that, you know, the EU side is the one that initiated the problem

14:46 matey; less sure about ukr... the shoe fits, sort of

14:46 CrystalMath; it's EU expansionism that started it, not russia

14:46 matey; russia wasnt expanding?

14:46 CrystalMath; of course not

14:47 matey; crimea just "drifted" that way?

14:47 CrystalMath; crimea left ukraine after euromaidan

14:47 CrystalMath; euromaidan was 2013

14:47 matey; i think the thing is

14:47 CrystalMath; euromaidan came first, don't forget that

14:47 matey; your timeline starts in the middle of something even bigger

14:48 CrystalMath; crimea would still be in ukraine if Yanukovich remained president

14:48 matey; which challenges the entire premise of your argument

14:48 matey; or maybe it doesnt, but so far thats how it seems

14:48 CrystalMath; but the ukraine's dialogs with the EU would be over and out; ukraine would probably have lots of trade deals with russia and belarus, etc... it would be lost to the west

14:49 CrystalMath; matey: okay, explain it to me then, if it wasn't the EU that started it, who did and how?

14:49 CrystalMath; what happened before 2013?

14:49 matey; CrystalMath: lets start with the fact that you underestimate how much i dislike the the eu

14:50 matey; but i think youre making too much of this about the eu when its more about nato

14:50 matey; but you really want it to be about the eu

14:50 matey; and it sort of is

14:50 matey; maybe less than you make it out to be

14:51 matey; obviously the eu is a big player here, but thats not your argument

14:51 XRevan86; Should I find footage of Putin himself saying that Russia had troops in Crimea?

14:51 matey; your argument is they STARTED it

14:51 matey; that has to be an oversimplification

14:51 XRevan86; Crimea "left Ukraine" by use of Russian military overtaking Crimean administration.

14:52 matey; if everything hinges on who started it, and even that is an oversimplification, i cant guess how the logic that issues from there is going to be very useful

14:52 matey; its going to be very one-sided

14:52 matey; and here we are

14:52 CrystalMath; matey: i am aware that the US, particularly under democrats, is also on this new world order route

14:52 CrystalMath; NATO is just the US and most of the EU

14:52 matey; i literally dislike everyone involved-- except ukraine, because i dont HAVE to

14:53 matey; theyre the ones being invaded-- with or without good reason--

14:53 activelow; question is what Ukraine/USA/NATO did

14:53 CrystalMath; there is no good reason to be invaded

14:53 matey; and i dislike both sides that want to play "host" to them

14:53 XRevan86; https://youtu.be/3w4LnR3bcQQ maybe CrystalMath knows enough Russian to understand this

14:53 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=3w4LnR3bcQQ

14:53 TR Bot; yewtu.be | - Invidious

14:53 CrystalMath; but i don't understand how you can excuse them for what they did in donbass

14:53 activelow; with crimea, and Ukraine joining NATO/EU/USA, russian military had lost access to their crimea fleet

14:53 activelow; and harbors

14:53 matey; <CrystalMath> but i don't understand how you can excuse them <- ah, well then

14:54 XRevan86; "but i don't understand how you can excuse them for what they did in donbass" <- This is a perfect statement.

14:54 matey; maybe its because its some invention of yours, based on "either x or you excuse them" or some nonsense like that.

14:54 matey; i dont recall excusing anyone

14:54 activelow; and there is rarely any report about Ukraine in possession of ballistic missiles, if any

14:54 XRevan86; CrystalMath: But I don't understand how you can excuse DPR/Russia for what they did in Donbass

14:55 CrystalMath; XRevan86: what did they do, except want to be free?

14:55 activelow; Selensky himself argued the Budapest Memorandum was void...; which prohibited the possession of particular weapons in return for security guarantees

14:55 MinceR; vladolf has no business being in donbass, or crimea anyway

14:55 matey; oh hell, what does ANYONE do, except want to be free?

14:55 MinceR; then again, he has no right to rule russia either

14:56 matey; every time someone invades someone else its about freedom

14:56 MinceR; putler violated the Budapest Memorandum before Zelenskyy came to power

14:56 MinceR; how would it not be void?

14:56 CrystalMath; MinceR: so you're a democrat, but you insist that the will of the people is as you say, and not as it is in reality

14:56 XRevan86; CrystalMath: https://meduza.io/en/feature/2016/03/07/locked-up-in-the-donbas literallly picked an article at random

14:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: meduza.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://meduza.io/en/feature/2016/03/07/locked-up-in-the-donbas

14:56 TR Bot; NO TITLE

14:56 MinceR; CrystalMath: right, because "the people" consists solely of putler?

14:56 matey; MinceR: so you're a democrat <- ben shapiro lives

14:56 TR News; Its the end for the OSI Treasurer and Board ringleader who took money from Microsoft (in turn giving most of the OSIs money back to Microsoft, promoting its proprietary software as if OSI became the Openwashing Initiative, not the Open Source Initiative) http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/open-source-initiative-goodbyes/

14:56 TR Bot; [Meme] Goodbye to the OSIs Microsoft Treasure(r) | Techrights

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14:57 CrystalMath; matey: i meant that in the sense of, someone who believes in democracy, not a US democrat

14:57 TR News; The EPO is on a massive strike today, but dont expect the media to mention that; not even blogs touch the subject after a campaign of intimidation, legal bullying, and bribery http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/how-to-shut-up-media/

14:57 TR Bot; [Meme] EPO to Patent Blogs | Techrights

14:57 CrystalMath; i know MinceR is hungarian

14:57 matey; i withdraw my protest

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14:57 XRevan86; MinceR: Only Russia is allowed to violate international law.

14:57 MinceR; of course

14:57 CrystalMath; XRevan86: and the US

14:57 MinceR; i forgot

14:58 CrystalMath; libya, syria, afghanistan, ... if we're gonna talk about international law

14:58 CrystalMath; iraq...

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14:58 CrystalMath; yugoslavia

14:58 MinceR; eastern bloc

14:58 MinceR; georgia

14:58 XRevan86; MinceR: Russia can violate its own written agreement but if the other side even mentions anything about it, it's a "wait, that's illegal!"

14:58 MinceR; sounds like it

14:58 TR News; KeePassXC 2.7.0 is released with major changes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162836

14:58 TR Bot; KeePassXC 2.7.0 is released with major changes | Tux Machines

14:58 matey; i figure there are roughly 300 countries that know the usa is a giant hypocritical arsehole about practically everything in the middle east

14:59 MinceR; countries can know things?

14:59 activelow; pipelines and oil/gas business; with USA/NATO involved where they didn't belong

14:59 matey; including the many that followed them there and others who choose not to mention it

14:59 CrystalMath; matey: ultimately, the my opinion and MinceR's opinion is fear-based

14:59 activelow; meanwhile prices for Oil/Gas in USA are less than 50% of Germany/EU; yet it wasn't enough it seems

14:59 CrystalMath; MinceR fears russia so he speaks for the US side

14:59 CrystalMath; i fear the EU so i speak for the russian side

14:59 CrystalMath; it's not that i don't see that russia didn't do everything great

14:59 matey; CrystalMath: i honestly think you infantilise everyone who doesnt see politics your way

3 PM, March 22

15:00 MinceR; i speak for whichever side is willing to let people live in more freedom

15:00 MinceR; it's as simple as that

15:00 CrystalMath; MinceR: sure

15:00 *XRevan86 speaks the truth.

15:00 MinceR; CrystalMath is incapable of comprehending the difference between being annexed into a dictatorship and voluntarily, democratically joining an organization

15:00 XRevan86; Ain't I the worst?

15:00 CrystalMath; for me, freedom is eating meat and driving gas-powered cars

15:00 MinceR; yeah

15:00 MinceR; truth is the least convenient

15:01 MinceR; i tend to eat meat and i drive a gas-powered car

15:01 activelow; it was Ukraine/Selensky who initiated association talks with EU (which isn't USA whom Selensky asked to provide weapons, Burisma-Biddler);

15:01 CrystalMath; XRevan86: unfortunately, i don't really understand what Putin says in the video, i could read what was written though, somewhat

15:01 matey; <CrystalMath> for me, freedom is eating meat and driving gas-powered cars <- and the fact that people eat meat and

15:01 matey; that would make the world more free than it really is

15:01 matey; it sets a pretty low bar really

15:01 MinceR; with humanity, expect the bar to be low, always

15:01 CrystalMath; matey: there's more but i wanted to highlight those things

15:01 CrystalMath; the things i am scared of losing

15:02 CrystalMath; and the threat is the EU

15:02 matey; im pretty sure you can eat meat in most countries

15:02 CrystalMath; matey: also, to not be vaccinated

15:02 CrystalMath; then again russia isn't so great on that one, either

15:03 MinceR; CrystalMath: so, have you not received the BCG vaccine yet?

15:03 matey; im against mandatory vaccinations on principle, but

15:03 matey; our definition of mandatory probably differs a lot

15:03 MinceR; or the DTP one?

15:03 matey; if a vaccination is required to travel to other countries...

15:03 CrystalMath; MinceR: i only demand the right to not be vaccinated, but i'm glad that i was able to get vaccines that are useful

15:04 matey; thats pretty much... i mean thats pretty much how it is in a sane world

15:04 MinceR; lol

15:04 MinceR; that's quite the mental gymnastics

15:04 CrystalMath; the vaccines that i consider useless/harmful are mainly ones that are against the flu

15:04 MinceR; so "the right not to be vaccinated" only applies to vaccines you haven't received yet

15:04 CrystalMath; i may also consider covid as those as well, but i'm not as certain about it

15:04 MinceR; SARS-CoV-2 is not an influenzavirus

15:04 CrystalMath; i am absolutely against flu vaccination

15:05 matey; basically if youre willing to stay where you are, i dont think people should force you to be vaccinated

15:05 matey; but if youre going to travel to other countries, they probably have a right to require it.

15:05 CrystalMath; matey: well, then russia needs to do a special operation before the EU arrives and imports austria's plans here

15:05 XRevan86; MinceR: I think CrystalMath's immune system violates his rights.

15:05 MinceR; sounds like it

15:05 CrystalMath; matey: otherwise i will have to run somehow

15:05 CrystalMath; somewhere

15:06 MinceR; CrystalMath: do you want to die as a victim to a "special military operation"?

15:07 XRevan86; MinceR: Stopping the war violates CrystalMath's rights of dying from a Putin's bomb.

15:07 CrystalMath; MinceR: of course not, but staying put and not getting vaccinated will not be possible unless Putin does some magic

15:07 MinceR; lol

15:08 TR News; EPO Staff Explains Why Its Going on Strike | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/epo-dissent-explained/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/epo-dissent-explained/

15:08 TR Bot; EPO Staff Explains Why Its Going on Strike | Techrights

15:10 CrystalMath; meanwhile, to MinceR, burning people alive in a bulding is a path to "voluntarily, democratically joining an organization"

15:10 MinceR; is that what putler does to people in ukraine now?

15:11 CrystalMath; MinceR: this is what euromaidan did, XRevan86 confirmed it

15:11 MinceR; i've heard of cluster bombing residential buildings and shelling buildings children are taking shelter in

15:11 MinceR; i guess it's not much of a stretch

15:11 CrystalMath; MinceR: ukraine did that on donetsk recently

15:11 XRevan86; CrystalMath compares an event that involved militant people and unfortunate circumstances, to shelling civilians en masse.

15:11 MinceR; also, i'm pretty sure the EU doesn't let anyone join without an actual, real referendum

15:11 matey; thats what one too many sweeping generalisations will do, unfortunately

15:12 MinceR; (not the bullshit vladolf and his fans pretend are referenda)

15:12 XRevan86; "ukraine did that on donetsk recently" <- Not this again.

15:12 MinceR; ah yes, those poor terrorussian soldiers in donetsk

15:12 activelow; Ukraine denied almost all "humanitarian corridors" for evakuation for weeks

15:12 XRevan86; MinceR: No, it's not that. I'll find you a link.

15:13 MinceR; iirc terrorussians have a habit of shooting people leaving via "humanitarian corridors"

15:13 matey; am i cynical for thinking this is more about the vax than about which side did what?

15:13 MinceR; they even did that in crimea, in 2014

15:13 kingoffrance; i cannot prove it but i swear my sound card driver on an ancient knoppix sometimes slightly, shortly, messes up the pitch...reminds me of vinyl records...i used to need a winamp plugin to simulate that :D

15:13 matey; and is there a major difference between the vax policy of pudding and the one of the eu?

15:13 MinceR; matey: seems like it's about worshipping everything that is evil and authoritarian

15:13 MinceR; matey: doesn't matter what vladolf or Cheeto Hitler or winnie the pooh or orban say, it must be followed uncritically

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15:14 matey; mincer: now youre being as obtuse as CrystalMath: and the only mitigation is youre probably better informed

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15:15 matey; that was in reponse to the line before the funny one

15:15 XRevan86; MinceR: https://youtu.be/XkEfWsBiQd8

15:15 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XkEfWsBiQd8

15:15 TR Bot; yewtu.be | . 19. - , , - Invidious

15:15 matey; <MinceR> matey: doesn't matter what vladolf or Cheeto Hitler or winnie the pooh or orban say, <- this is the funny one

15:15 TR News; 5 Best Horror Games for Linux to Enjoy the Virtual World of Terror https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-horror-games-for-linux/

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15:15 TR Bot; 5 Best Horror Games for Linux to Enjoy the Virtual World of Terror

15:15 CrystalMath; also the people who were burned in odessa were not all militants, that's nonsense, there were women and children there

15:16 XRevan86; MinceR: I'm trying to find this information in English now.

15:16 matey; matey: seems like it's about worshipping everything that is evil and authoritarian <- this is obtuse (and also funny)

15:17 TR News; "What does the future of gaming look like? Launchers galore, Linux" https://yewtu.be/watch?v=MRRszUapcEo

15:17 TR Bot; PC Gaming is a Mess - Invidious

15:17 matey; what i see in crystalmaths logic, over and over

15:17 activelow; i don't know yet exactly why shortly after Olympic games the intervention was started, according to reports Putin intended to do it before Olympic games in China, yet what asked to wait by China

15:17 CrystalMath; XRevan86: that's insane and insulting propaganda; russia firing a ukrainian cluster bomb at their own people in their own city

15:17 TR News; "Valve has again upgraded the Steam Deck Client software with new features, performance improvements and bug fixes. Plus, check out some of our recent videos." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-deck-client-update-brings-more-improvements-see-more-of-our-videos

15:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/steam-deck-client-update-brings-more-improvements-see-more-of-our-videos

15:17 TR Bot; Deck Client update brings more improvements, see more of our videos | GamingOnLinux

15:17 matey; is treating some things as absolutes and others as relative

15:17 XRevan86; CrystalMath: https://nitter.eu/CITeam_en/status/1500475853490343936

15:17 TR Bot; CIT (en) (@CITeam_en): "Russia is now using older Tochka-U missile launchers against Ukraine, as seen in Desnyanka, 40 km from the border with Belarus. Videos and photos show a tell-tale 9M79M booster familiar from Syria and Karabakh It typically remains intact when a cluster warhead is used." | nitter

15:18 XRevan86; And this is specially for you.

15:18 matey; and theres simply no rhyme or reason which gets treated as which-- its mix and match

15:18 MinceR; "What does the future of gaming look like?" -- rootkits, DRM, locked down appliances marketed as "computers"

15:18 activelow; anyway, before the olympic games already, RT satellite TV broadcasting in EU was forbidden, by EU... remember this?

15:18 matey; this you NEVER EVER DO but THIS is ok because extenuating circumstances, etc

15:18 matey; which is which? flip a coin

15:19 CrystalMath; XRevan86: the thing you sent is 100% disinformation

15:19 matey; so im trying to follow all of it, but this is the inconsistency that makes it comical

15:19 activelow; the conflict wasn't settled since 2014, and suddenly Putin/Russia seemed to hurry (close to approaching the Northstream2 put into operation)

15:19 matey; and im only trying to understand it out of fairness

15:20 MinceR; allegedly putler is ill and wanted to do something big before dying

15:20 MinceR; i guess he managed it after all

15:20 MinceR; russia will probably not survive this war

15:20 TR News; "While there is the popular OpenRCT2 for an open-source re-implementation of RollerCoaster Tycoon 2, it does rely on the original data files, and so the FreeRCT project aims to be a completely free and open source inspired game." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/freerct-sees-a-first-release-trying-to-capture-the-feel-of-rollercoaster-tycoon

15:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/freerct-sees-a-first-release-trying-to-capture-the-feel-of-rollercoaster-tycoon

15:20 TR Bot; sees a first release trying to capture the feel of RollerCoaster Tycoon | GamingOnLinux

15:20 MinceR; at the very least, he's getting more countries near russia to join the nato

15:20 matey; MinceR: hitler and churchill banked on similar odds

15:20 matey; everyone was wrong

15:21 matey; im not saying russian will win either

15:21 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162837

15:21 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

15:21 matey; but dont underestimate them

15:21 XRevan86; CrystalMath: mkay

15:21 MinceR; i didn't

15:21 activelow; it was Ukraine/Poland/USA-minions who seeked to subvert the northstream project with every opportunity, harming both EU/Germany *and* Russia

15:21 MinceR; so far they've been fighting a war that was supposed to last 1..3 days for 3 months

15:22 MinceR; and pretty much everyone hates them now

15:22 XRevan86; Um, pretty sure I'm in this hell for one month.

15:22 XRevan86; Not three months.

15:22 matey; nobody liked iraq either, and its still there

15:22 CrystalMath; MinceR: NATO was also set to defeat yugoslavia in 3 days

15:22 CrystalMath; nope, took 78

15:23 CrystalMath; and don't forget, NATO was targetting civilian infrastructure all the time

15:23 activelow; 11billion wasted with some pipeline project and energy security at stake, this was too much for germany too, besides Russia

15:23 CrystalMath; struck city centers, bridges, water supplies to hospitals

15:23 TR News; "Between 2022-03-15 and 2022-03-22 there were 15 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 238 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 6.3 % of total released titles." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-with-native-linux-clients-2022-03-22-edition/

15:23 TR Bot; New Steam Games with Native Linux Clients - 2022-03-22 Edition - Boiling Steam

15:23 CrystalMath; hospitals themselves...

15:23 MinceR; let me guess, nuclear power plants are not "civilian infrastructure"

15:23 TR News; Ways To Use Linux To Become Better In College Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162838

15:23 TR Bot; Ways To Use Linux To Become Better In College | Tux Machines

15:23 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Even if ye ignore that, DPR does use Tochka-U's.

15:23 CrystalMath; XRevan86: and they shot at themselves?

15:23 MinceR; the theater children were hiding in was also "military infrastructure"

15:24 activelow; hidden weapons stockpiles

15:24 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Is a fsck-up that big of a stretch?

15:24 MinceR; "DPR" are terrorussian invaders, it isn't exactly a stretch for them to attack the local population

15:24 CrystalMath; XRevan86: considering i know that ukrainians are constantly shelling Gorlovka

15:24 CrystalMath; it's more likely that ukrainians took a shot at Donetsk, to punish its RUSSIAN population for not wanting to become ukrainian

15:25 activelow; the majority of the population of western-ukraine didn't oppose Russia; since their industry suffered after 1990 and the wealthy Kiev region didn't bother too much about it

15:25 activelow; the majority of the population of *eastern-ukraine didn't oppose Russia; since their industry suffered after 1990 and the wealthy Kiev region didn't bother too much about it

15:25 TR News; Engrave Condition: Apples Political Censorship Leaves Taiwan, Remains in Hong Kong - The Citizen Lab https://citizenlab.ca/2022/03/engrave-condition-apples-political-censorship-leaves-taiwan-remains-in-hong-kong/

15:25 TR Bot; Engrave Condition: Apples Political Censorship Leaves Taiwan, Remains in Hong Kong - The Citizen Lab

15:25 MinceR; repeat it until it becomes true

15:25 matey; ukrainse, for every arsehole move ive heard of them making... still reminds me a little too much of palestine in all this

15:26 CrystalMath; XRevan86: i looked through 2010/2011 Donetsk on google street view, i didn't see one word in ukrainian, all the ads, all the signs, everything was 100% russian

15:26 matey; either because theyre being painted that way, or they are that way

15:26 XRevan86; CrystalMath: https://ankornews.com/odessa-russian-speaking-yes-but-today-very-ukrainian/

15:26 TR Bot; reply from server ( status 0 @ https://ankornews.com/odessa-russian-speaking-yes-but-today-very-ukrainian/ )

15:26 CrystalMath; XRevan86: odessa is far to the west

15:26 XRevan86; Not what I was looking for, but it will do.

15:27 CrystalMath; i looked at Donetsk

15:27 TR News; Apple: shithole pretending to be Disneyland. People pay away all of their shit, usually to be treated like shit.

15:27 matey; /topic try not to mention the war

15:27 MinceR; don't worry, they're being motivated strongly by putler to adopt a ukrainian identity if they haven't done so before :>

15:27 matey; i mentioned it once but i think i got away with it

15:27 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Ye know what's strange? Because Russia is invading through the east and north, a very prominent language that is used to curse the Russian invaders is Russian.

15:28 MinceR; matey: same as the policy of terrorussia? :>

15:28 matey; mincer: same as the episode of fawlty towers

15:28 XRevan86; MinceR: Indeed.

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15:28 CrystalMath; matey: i remember that one

15:29 matey; i dont know how people expect this to not be discussed

15:29 TR News; Apple != Ethics. If you want a moral alternative to Microsoft, then you're also looking for the opposite of Apple.

15:29 matey; whats it got to do with tech-- well... it effects everyone where in one way or another

15:29 matey; here

15:29 MinceR; especially with putler's allies trying to wage information war on us

15:29 matey; right

15:29 CrystalMath; XRevan86: out of linguistic curiosity, what word is it?

15:29 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Huh?

15:29 matey; so any side channel is used for communication

15:30 MinceR; probably not a single word

15:30 CrystalMath; XRevan86: oh, oops, i misread

15:31 XRevan86; For regional reasons the people that suffered from the invasion the most are Russian-speaking.

15:31 MinceR; also because vladolf doesn't care

15:31 XRevan86; That's implied.

15:31 MinceR; and this doesn't even include the people living in russia that were tortured and imprisoned

15:32 MinceR; for taking an anti-war stance

15:32 TR News; Why should I use Qt to develop? Qt: nothing to do with freedom. I've read the whole thing, very UN-compelling. https://www.qt.io/blog/the-cost-of-reinventing-the-wheel-in-app-development

15:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: qt.io | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.qt.io/blog/the-cost-of-reinventing-the-wheel-in-app-development

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15:35 CrystalMath; i cannot really continue to presume that you two are just ignorant, i think you know what the new world order agenda is, and you welcome it, but for me it's a fate worse than death

15:36 CrystalMath; you two = XRevan86 and MinceR

15:36 XRevan86; I have a bias towards humanity and life, what can I say.

15:37 MinceR; i have a bias toward freedom

15:37 MinceR; which makes me an enemy to the likes of putler and orban

15:37 CrystalMath; MinceR: i wrote the same thing and almost sent it :P

15:37 MinceR; automatically

15:37 matey; <CrystalMath> i cannot really continue to presume that you two are just ignorant, i think you know what the new world order agenda is, and you welcome it <- politics > reality

15:37 XRevan86; politics >>>>>>>> reality

15:37 TR News; Games: Horror, Valve, and Free Software (OpenRCT2) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162839

15:37 TR Bot; Games: Horror, Valve, and Free Software (OpenRCT2) | Tux Machines

15:38 XRevan86; When a person loses their anchor to reality, they also lose their anchor to sanity.

15:38 CrystalMath; MinceR: there's more freedom in hungary than in australia now

15:39 CrystalMath; without Putin, there would be no Orban, but without Orban this would not be the case anymore

15:39 XRevan86; I have no freedom, I violate the rules even just by speaking.

15:39 MinceR; CrystalMath: you have no idea what's going on in hungary

15:39 matey; i dont think CrystalMath is a russian agent, whats funny is that it would be hard to tell the difference

15:39 TR News; Snake oil. You cannot do this. https://www.maketecheasier.com/deleting-google-search-data-android/

15:39 TR Bot; Quickly Deleting Google Search Data Coming to Android - Make Tech Easier

15:39 MinceR; but i doubt you'd care

15:40 MinceR; for example, fideath took over pretty much all the media, but hey, they all regurgitate vladolf's propaganda

15:40 XRevan86; matey: He is not, I know him for long enough to tell.

15:40 matey; and all this in the name of freedom

15:40 CrystalMath; MinceR: who cares about the media, i'm already used to the media being hijacked

15:40 matey; XRevan86: i know

15:40 CrystalMath; it's been that way for decades

15:40 matey; and really my point rests on him not being

15:40 CrystalMath; nobody sane cares about or listens to the media

15:40 MinceR; people were harassed by police forces for saying negative things about orban on faecesbook

15:40 CrystalMath; except techrights :)

15:41 XRevan86; matey: He is not insane like ctivelow but he firmly believes that freedom lies with the hypocrites.

15:41 CrystalMath; to clarify, techrights is an exception to the media being bad

15:41 XRevan86; No matter the scale, can be Andrew Lee, can be Vladimir Putin.

15:41 matey; matey: He is not insane like ctivelow but he firmly believes that freedom lies with the hypocrites. <- thats the result, but

15:41 MinceR; hungary hasn't had a free or fair election in the last 11 years

15:42 matey; i think really that he just holds some things so completely sacred that

15:42 CrystalMath; MinceR: democracy ain't that great, the result matters, not whether things are democratic or not IMO

15:42 MinceR; i guess the moment putler takes a stance on software, CrystalMath will hate TR as well

15:42 matey; it gets "stuck" and theres no talking him out of it

15:42 MinceR; CrystalMath: it indeed ain't that great. but it sure beats autocracy in any form.

15:42 matey; even when you show him that his own priniciples demand it

15:42 CrystalMath; MinceR: not if the autocrat is adamant about you having freedom

15:42 MinceR; lol

15:42 matey; he was right the first time, because it was sacred then

15:42 MinceR; you should look up what autocracy means

15:42 XRevan86; matey: His idea of freedom is perveted.

15:42 CrystalMath; again, look at the results

15:43 MinceR; i am

15:43 MinceR; the results are horrible

15:43 matey; its not about admitting he was wrong-- he could do that easily enough

15:43 XRevan86; matey: To him it's more important to have the freedom to die from a virus than freedom of speech, freedom of consciousness, freedom to live.

15:43 MinceR; most of the major businesses have been taken over by orban's friends and strawmen

15:43 matey; but admitting hes mistaken would be abandoning all thats sacred

15:43 matey; and it creates this amazing catch 22

15:43 MinceR; they "regulated" some markets in such a way as to avoid them having to compete with people who know what they're doing

15:43 MinceR; universities lost their independence

15:44 CrystalMath; XRevan86: there is no "freedom to live" and there never was, life is a complex state that the universe will necessarily force to an end regardless of activity

15:44 matey; where you have to be wrong because ITS BETTER TO BE WRONG than DO WRONG

15:44 matey; which makes no sense at all, but for a VERY GOOD reason

15:44 MinceR; our economy is in ruins

15:44 MinceR; but orban's friends are OK because they steal almost all the handouts from the EU

15:44 matey; XRevan86 hes wrong for all the RIGHT REASONS, and thats ALL that matters

15:44 TR News; Apple synonymous with crimes against humanity (ignore their marketing BS), so this is expected https://citizenlab.ca/2022/03/-/

15:44 TR Bot; : - The Citizen Lab

15:45 matey; even if its a farce, its still for the right reasons. even if logic throws up its hands and says "well fuck everyting"

15:45 matey; its the PRINCIPLE of the thing

15:45 XRevan86; CrystalMath: "freedom to live" means "murder is bad"

15:45 matey; yes hes wrong-- but hes wrong ON PRINCIPLE!

15:46 matey; and that makes it right

15:46 CrystalMath; XRevan86: oh, hmm, then i misunderstood

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15:46 CrystalMath; XRevan86: so let's say "freedom from interference regarding one's life"

15:46 XRevan86; CrystalMath: What did ye think it means? A law of physics?

15:46 CrystalMath; human interference

15:46 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162841

15:46 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

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15:47 XRevan86; CrystalMath: "freedom from being forced by other people to die"

15:47 CrystalMath; right, then we agree entirely, i think

15:47 CrystalMath; (but, not wearing a mask for example, and infecting someone with covid is not murder IMO, nor attempted murder)

15:47 MinceR; i think that implies the freedom from being poisoned for having a different opinion

15:48 matey; what i like about CrystalMath is hes entirely driven by a firm sense of right and wrong, and he never wavers from it

15:48 CrystalMath; (as long as the virus transfer was not deliberate)

15:48 schestowitz-TR; [15:47] <XRevan86> CrystalMath: "freedom from being forced by other people to die" << XRevan86 we're back to 2020

15:48 schestowitz-TR; when you told him that

15:48 CrystalMath; schestowitz-TR: oh, we clarified this already?

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15:49 schestowitz-TR; UK has become highly infected and we cannot guarantee it can be avoided anymore, though we still try. Thanks, Borisnaro.

15:49 CrystalMath; i will explain why i misunderstand things sometimes: i like to read into words what i think the other person is trying to say, and usually it's something bad that i imagine

15:49 schestowitz-TR; CrystalMath: when it broke out in Europe you said "freedom"

15:49 schestowitz-TR; and XRevan86 said he wants the freedom to NOT get this very nasty virus

15:50 schestowitz-TR; it's eating away at the health of my colleagues

15:50 schestowitz-TR; they get reinfected

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15:51 CrystalMath; correct, and that's why when i read XRevan86's words, i imagined this particular case which is a point of disagreement (IMO people don't have a right to force everyone to live by their rules to avoid a natural virus)

15:52 schestowitz-TR; define "natural virus"

15:52 CrystalMath; or at a very least, we should demand our own separate space where we can live with all the natural viruses freely

15:52 schestowitz-TR; society does not work like this

15:52 schestowitz-TR; collectivism

15:52 XRevan86; schestowitz: "define "natural virus"" <- Putin

15:52 CrystalMath; schestowitz-TR: collectivism is evil, and i oppose it with every fiber of my being

15:53 schestowitz-TR; you sound like extreme libertarians who pretend they live on their own in the woods...

15:53 schestowitz-TR; ...until they need medicine and stuff

15:53 MinceR; well, if humanity stops failing seriously hard, someday we might find another habitable planet

15:53 XRevan86; Good thing that when Putin appeals to collectivism he's just being a hypocrite and a populist.

15:53 schestowitz-TR; XRevan86: you have had a Donald Trump for 2 decades

15:53 MinceR; and then we can have a planet for the authoritarian nurgleites

15:53 schestowitz-TR; the US is at risk of getting its own Putin back

15:54 MinceR; unfortunately, we're unlikely to survive that long with so many authoritarians in the human population

15:54 XRevan86; schestowitz: What I don't like about this analogy is that Trump is genuinely stupid.

15:54 CrystalMath; schestowitz-TR: libertarians just want to minimize collectivism

15:54 schestowitz-TR; not THAT stupid

15:55 CrystalMath; and yes i consdier myself a libertarian

15:55 CrystalMath; *consider

15:55 schestowitz-TR; well he thought Russia and Finland are the same country

15:56 schestowitz-TR; CrystalMath: did you build your own home?

15:56 schestowitz-TR; also, are you wearing garments made of materials you collected?

15:56 CrystalMath; everything i have was sold to me voluntarily, and i bought it voluntarily, that's what matters

15:56 matey; <CrystalMath> or at a very least, we should demand our own separate space where we can live with all the natural viruses freely <- like a safespace

15:57 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I wish someone would free you from the shackles of owning a toilet.

15:57 MinceR; "libertarian", just like "liberal", "capitalism", "socialism" and "communism", is a word that has been stripped of all meaning already

15:57 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Ye won't believe the amount of natural illnesses that thing protects from.

15:57 matey; all words are stripped of meaning if you ignore the meaning

15:57 MinceR; matey: more of an unsafespace

15:57 matey; matey: more of an unsafespace <- like lieplanet

15:57 XRevan86; The medieval towns that were drowning in sewage, now that was true freedom.

15:58 matey; is an unsafespace for rms (or rational arguments)

15:58 XRevan86; CrystalMath should have the freedom to swim to drink water contaminated with feces.

15:58 XRevan86; s/to swim //

15:59 XRevan86; But nooo, we just had to force sewers onto everyone, disgusting.

15:59 CrystalMath; they're not forced actually

15:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.91 k/sec., IPFS upstream 15.01 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.91

15:59 matey; XRevan86: not in my backyard!

15:59 XRevan86; It's not even legal to throw poop out of the window anymore.

4 PM, March 22

16:00 CrystalMath; XRevan86: there are still places without sewage systems

16:00 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Ye live in a city with the sewers, ye are forced to live in the world that has sewers.

16:00 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Thank their leaders then, not Putin.

16:00 CrystalMath; that has sewers, yes; i mean i don't mind that; i don't have to use them though

16:01 CrystalMath; i do use them

16:01 CrystalMath; but i'm not forced

16:01 XRevan86; CrystalMath: The sewers eradicated natural bacteria.

16:01 MinceR; ooh, now CrystalMath gets all fancy, even using the sewer system

16:01 XRevan86; Ye don't have the freedom to get infected with them anymore.

16:02 CrystalMath; tbh the freedom of be infected with a particular thing doesn't exist, it makes no more sense than other freedoms defined as "freedom to X" rather than "freedom from X"

16:02 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Really!?

16:02 matey; <XRevan86> CrystalMath: The sewers eradicated natural bacteria. <- rewind to a year or two ago, and CrystalMath would have called that murder

16:02 XRevan86; Ye don't flipping say!

16:02 CrystalMath; XRevan86: well if i had said it before, i was probably mocking some of your "freedom to X"

16:02 CrystalMath; like "freedom to not get infected" - this does not exist either

16:03 CrystalMath; you have the freedom to wear a mask you own, but that does not guarantee anything really, the universe can still find a way

16:03 TR News; Proprietary Software Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162842

16:03 TR Bot; Proprietary Software Leftovers | Tux Machines

16:03 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162843

16:03 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

16:03 CrystalMath; ultimately, the universe always finds a way to end every life

16:03 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Why is vaccination bad then?

16:04 MinceR; death, uh, finds a way

16:04 kingoffrance; that was saturn's moon sickle :)

16:04 kingoffrance; waxes and wanes :)

16:04 CrystalMath; XRevan86: it's not

16:04 XRevan86; It's not changing the laws of the universe, if that's not obvious.

16:04 CrystalMath; XRevan86: rather, it should not be forced

16:04 CrystalMath; simply because nothing should ever be forced

16:04 MinceR; except, apparently, certain things in ukraine

16:04 matey; <XRevan86> CrystalMath: Why is vaccination bad then? <- fatalism is a reasonable stance for literally everything EXCEPT human interference wth freedom

16:04 matey; which MUST be stopped EVEN if it kills us all

16:04 MinceR; and in terrorussia, and in red china, and in north korea

16:04 MinceR; a lot of things should be forced, apparently

16:05 TR News; EPO Staff Explains Why Its Going on Strike | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/epo-dissent-explained/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/epo-dissent-explained/

16:05 CrystalMath; matey: right, i'm fine with the universe torturing me all it likes, but by golly, other humans will not if i have anything to say about it

16:05 TR Bot; EPO Staff Explains Why Its Going on Strike | Techrights

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16:05 XRevan86; CrystalMath: I heard drivers are forced to follow some stupid rules on the road.

16:05 MinceR; other humans are parts of the universe

16:05 matey; CrystalMath: so literally everything from asteroids to bacteria have more rights than humans

16:05 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Those are public roads, they own their automobiles. Why the heck they are forced to do something?

16:05 matey; they can go about their business, humans can pound sand

16:06 TR News; Links 22/3/2022: GNU Linux-Libre 5.17 and KeePassXC 2.7 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/keepassxc-2-7/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/keepassxc-2-7/

16:06 TR Bot; Links 22/3/2022: GNU Linux-Libre 5.17 and KeePassXC 2.7 | Techrights

16:06 CrystalMath; XRevan86: okay, i mean, it's not their road; if we had private roads we could decentralize road rules i guess; it could happen, or it could not... it should be understandable either way though

16:07 MinceR; we could switch from driving on the right to driving on the left and back every kilometer

16:07 MinceR; it would be such fun

16:07 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Sucks that there isn't unlimited space for roads.

16:07 matey; why should it be understandable?

16:07 matey; i shouldnt have other peoples lack of understanding imposed on me, on MY property

16:07 MinceR; well, if the human population was _drastically_ reduced, every surviving human could have their own road network

16:07 TR News; But Putin gets to keep his palace and impoverish his political opposition. He's every stronger when Russians cannot interact with the outside world, too. https://www.businessinsider.co.za/russia-internet-censorship-cost-economy-putin-ukraine-sanctions-twitter-2022-3

16:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: businessinsider.co.za | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.businessinsider.co.za/russia-internet-censorship-cost-economy-putin-ukraine-sanctions-twitter-2022-3

16:07 TR Bot; Russia's economy already lost R12.8 billion this year because the government keeps shutting down the internet

16:07 MinceR; with their own rules, or lack thereof

16:07 matey; if they dont understand that the speed limit is c/x#pi^2 thats their problem

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16:08 CrystalMath; matey: public roads aren't just your property, so this is why it can be understood

16:08 TR News; Putin turns 70 this year. People his age do not genuinely care about the future of the country in a competitive world. https://www.france24.com/fr/info-en-continu/20220318-isoler-la-russie-en-ligne-des-sanctions-contre-productives

16:08 matey; im talking about private roads with decentralised road rules

16:08 TR Bot; Isoler la Russie en ligne, des sanctions contre-productives ?

16:08 CrystalMath; matey: okay, then each road segment owner would have their own rules

16:08 matey; why should we have to dumb the rules down for the benefit of others?

16:09 matey; matey: okay, then each road segment owner would have their own rules <- right!

16:09 CrystalMath; it would be interesting

16:09 matey; because otherwise its not ownership

16:09 matey; and anything thats not owned is stolen

16:09 MinceR; people are stolen?

16:09 CrystalMath; but it's not as important as, you know, more basic personal liberties

16:09 matey; mincer: people own themselves

16:09 TR News; Comcast also supports mass surveillance https://opensource.org/comcast-why-we-support-the-osi see http://techrights.org/2020/06/25/mozilla-comcast/ and

16:09 TR Bot; Comcast: Why we support the OSI | Open Source Initiative | Guaranteeing the 'our' in source...

16:09 TR Bot; Mozilla Shames Itself and Harms Its Reputation by Stating That Comcast Has Taken Major Steps to Protect Customer Privacy | Techrights

16:10 MinceR; and impose arbitrary rules on themselves to maintain that ownership?

16:10 matey; but anything else either belongs to its owner, or the sole other option is its being stolen

16:10 matey; literally everything is property

16:10 matey; if its not property, its theft

16:10 MinceR; most information is not property

16:10 matey; information is different because it goes in your head

16:10 matey; and your head is YOUR property

16:10 MinceR; it goes in many places

16:11 TR News; "Java Operator SDK, or JOSDK, is an open source project that aims to simplify the task of creating Kubernetes Operators using Java. The project was started by Container Solutions, and Red Hat is now a major contributor." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/22/write-kubernetes-java-java-operator-sdk-part-2 "Sorry, you need to enable JavaScript to visit this website."

16:11 TR Bot; Write Kubernetes in Java with the Java Operator SDK, Part 2 | Red Hat Developer

16:11 matey; so no one can tell you what to do with it

16:11 CrystalMath; i should mention, i take a bit of a turn from modern libertarianism in that i don't think information can be owned

16:11 CrystalMath; so i don't really believe in trademarks or patents at all

16:11 CrystalMath; copyrights can only work by an NDA contract

16:11 CrystalMath; if something is public, it shouldn't be copyrighted either

16:11 matey; whats funny crystalmath

16:12 matey; is that every time you make a reasonable exception

16:12 matey; you prove why reasonable exceptions should exist

16:12 matey; then when anyone else argues for reasonable exceptions

16:12 matey; you say NO! thats against all good principles!

16:12 matey; reasonable exceptions ARE a good principle

16:12 CrystalMath; well no, you see

16:12 matey; oh my god!

16:12 MinceR; yes?

16:12 matey; you are priceless.

16:12 CrystalMath; copyright, patents, and trademarks were justified as libertarianism later on

16:13 CrystalMath; the raw principle does not support it, in my opinion

16:13 MinceR; that's not libertarianism

16:13 MinceR; that's corporatism being sold as "libertarian"

16:13 kingoffrance; eh, its like the money. property went abstract at some point

16:13 CrystalMath; matey: like if you look at the inventor of anarcho-capitalism, Rothbard, he did not believe in trademarks or patents, and he also said copyright can only work by contracts that prevent leaking entirely

16:14 matey; i wouldnt miss copyright at all if it disappeared forever

16:14 matey; its about as useful as a buggy whip to an astronaut

16:14 CrystalMath; matey: if you look at the raw core of the idea, well, the raw core is non-violence

16:14 MinceR; it's very useful to the likes of MICROS~1, though

16:14 CrystalMath; matey: what is a patent? you build something yourself, and you sell it, and then someone beats you up because someone already invented that before but not TOO long before

16:14 matey; CrystalMath: explain the nap to a former libertarian, if you will

16:15 matey; its pretty complicated, i might have missed something

16:15 MinceR; https://everything2.com/title/NON-VIOLENCE%2521+NON-VIOLENCE%2521+NON-VIOLENCE%2521+Non-violence+makes+you+strong%2521+Strength+crushes+enemies%2521+NON-VIOLENCE%2521

16:15 TR Bot; NON-VIOLENCE! NON-VIOLENCE! Non-violence makes you strong! Strength crushes enemies! NON-VIOLENCE! - Everything2.com

16:15 matey; great

16:15 *MinceR takes a nap

16:15 CrystalMath; matey: this isn't an exception... it's just basic non-violence to say that patents are unfair

16:15 CrystalMath; you can't justify mandatory vaccines in any way

16:16 CrystalMath; it's impossible, because it's pure violence

16:16 matey; <CrystalMath> you can't justify mandatory vaccines in any way <- according to some rule that must justify itself too

16:16 matey; its pure violence to save lives.

16:16 matey; its non-violence to let them die

16:16 MinceR; so, how have you justified BCG and DTP?

16:17 matey; CrystalMath: so if youre lying unconscious, taking you to the hospital is kidnapping

16:17 CrystalMath; matey: maybe, that's why there are DNR forms i guess

16:17 matey; lets say theres no dnr form

16:17 CrystalMath; MinceR: i think those diseases are nasty

16:18 MinceR; nastiness overrides your principles?

16:18 CrystalMath; MinceR: well it shouldn't be forced, but when i took it it wasn't

16:18 CrystalMath; i know people who did not, and still have not

16:18 MinceR; uh huh

16:19 CrystalMath; maybe it was in the law but it was not enforced, people refused all the time and there were no consequences, and there still aren't for those people as far as i can see

16:20 CrystalMath; and, i think maybe the temptation to reject something you would otherwise take just because it's forced is, well, not smart :P

16:20 MinceR; what happened to the freedom to coexist with _nasty_ pathogens?

16:21 CrystalMath; that freedom exists, as long as nasty pathogens exist

16:21 CrystalMath; but you can't stop others from getting vaccinated if they want to

16:21 TR News; ICBM to suits: "it is a paradigm shift in how you do business." https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-5-layers-build

16:21 TR Bot; Digital transformation: 5 layers to build on | The Enterprisers Project

16:21 MinceR; and you can't stop others from infecting you if they want to?

16:22 matey; crystalmath: whats the libertarian position on a factory that makes the air in a town unsuitable for human life?

16:22 matey; what recourse do the residents have other than moving?

16:22 CrystalMath; matey: you should be able to sue, i guess?

16:22 TR News; "How do we as in, the developers and package maintainers who are working on Fedora Linux make sure people actually know about all the cool stuff were doing?" https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/collecting-ideas-for-feature-spotlight-articles/

16:22 matey; interesting

16:22 TR Bot; Collecting ideas for "Feature Spotlight" articles Fedora Community Blog

16:22 CrystalMath; MinceR: you should be able to sue them if they infect you with something on purpose, if you can prove it was deliberate

16:22 matey; but if its pathogens and not pollutants... no recourse?

16:22 MinceR; what if you die from it before you can sue them?

16:22 matey; or can we sue you for spreading pathogens?

16:23 CrystalMath; matey: umm, creating a biolab and producing harmful pathogens is quite monstrous

16:23 matey; what if youre a walking biolab?

16:23 MinceR; also, what sort of punishment will dissuade nurgleites from deliberately infecting people?

16:23 matey; hypothetically speaking

16:23 CrystalMath; matey: you cannot be a walking biolab with current technology

16:23 matey; seems like you could be for many many centuries already

16:23 MinceR; is being deliberately host to a pathogen and letting it mutate in you to become more harmful also monstrous?

16:24 matey; MinceR: of course not, thats just life!

16:24 CrystalMath; matey: a virus can infect you, this is fair since no human did it on purpose

16:24 MinceR; i guess human extinction is also just life

16:24 CrystalMath; a virus can mutate, this is also fair

16:24 MinceR; as is all life being terminated on earth by the sun

16:24 CrystalMath; MinceR: exactly, all fair

16:24 MinceR; ok

16:25 MinceR; maybe humans can just hurry up and die out already?

16:25 CrystalMath; human extinction is also expected to occur, since all species go extinct

16:25 matey; /me loves debating ethics with vizzini from the princess bride

16:25 TR News; GNU Linux-libre 5.17-gnu http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162831#comment-33152

16:25 TR Bot; GNU Linux-Libre 5.17 Kernel Released for Those Who Seek 100% Freedom for Their PCs | Tux Machines

16:26 CrystalMath; that's just like saying, "everyone on this channel will die some day"

16:26 CrystalMath; it's a fact

16:26 MinceR; it is very likely, but not a fact

16:26 CrystalMath; it is actually a fact

16:26 MinceR; it is not

16:26 MinceR; if this reality is in fact a simulation, it could be suspended without anyone in it dying

16:26 CrystalMath; there is perhaps a very slim chance, insignificant almost, that some people here will live for billions of years

16:27 CrystalMath; but not forever, forever does not exist

16:27 matey; this is new

16:27 MinceR; if humanity could overcome its own demons, humans could also transcend and become immortal

16:27 matey; so when does the universe cease to exist then?

16:28 CrystalMath; matey: i forgot the exact estimates, there's also still two theories

16:28 TR News; Bluestar 5.16.15 is released https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/

16:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: sourceforge.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://sourceforge.net/projects/bluestarlinux/

16:28 TR Bot; download | SourceForge.net

16:28 MinceR; i thought there were many theories

16:28 MinceR; and if you find a way to move from a dying universe to a new one (possibly one you create yourself), the question becomes a lot more complicated

16:28 CrystalMath; matey: we're not sure what happens first, and also there's the whole thing with quantum vacuum decay possibly wiping out random parts of the universe with no warning

16:29 CrystalMath; at some point, one of these will *definitely* get everyone here, no matter how long it takes

16:29 TR News; ICBM now promotes buzzwords like "digital transformation (DX)" https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/automation-digital-transformation-3-ways-they-go-together when Intel attacked software freedom it used another "DX" http://techrights.org/wiki/Intel_leaks

16:29 TR Bot; Automation and digital transformation: 3 ways they go together | The Enterprisers Project

16:29 TR Bot; Intel leaks - Techrights

16:29 matey; CrystalMath: how does the aether fit into this?

16:29 CrystalMath; but most likely, 99.99...9999% likely, it will just be a normal biological death for everyone here

16:29 CrystalMath; what aether?

16:29 matey; the aether that scientists were confident existed at one point

16:30 CrystalMath; yeah, that was bullcrap

16:30 kingoffrance; its ethernet now

16:30 kingoffrance; :)

16:30 CrystalMath; like we were certain that there's some way the universe could restart

16:30 CrystalMath; but there is not

16:30 TR News; This can be leveraged by Russia to spy on dissidents https://www.wired.co.uk/article/whatsapp-russia-meta-ban

16:30 TR Bot; Why WhatsApp Survived Russias Social Media Purge | WIRED UK

16:30 matey; but this is not?

16:31 matey; because we definitely got it right this time?

16:31 CrystalMath; matey: i don't think so

16:31 MinceR; there's also ether

16:31 CrystalMath; it's not that we got it right

16:31 TR News; "Access Now, outraged by todays announcement that the Myanmar Investment Commission has approved the sale of Telenor Myanmar, is calling for international actors to implement sanctions and stop the companys irresponsible disposal of its Myanmar operations to a company" https://www.accessnow.org/update-internet-access-censorship-myanmar/

16:31 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/update-internet-access-censorship-myanmar/

16:31 TR Bot; Update: internet access, censorship, and the Myanmar coup - Access Now

16:31 CrystalMath; matey: but that this is something that is the default

16:31 matey; oh well

16:31 matey; if its the default...

16:32 CrystalMath; there was a theory by which the universe could continue indefinitely but it has been disproven

16:32 matey; its cool that now we know the factory settings of the universe

16:32 CrystalMath; well no, it's just that, the fate of the universe is kind of sealed, pretty much

16:32 TR News; Wensheng XIE: "We thank Wind for her/his commitment for contributing to GNU Chinese Translation." http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=10142

16:32 TR Bot; GNU Chinese Translators Team - News: Welcome our new member - wind [Savannah]

16:32 matey; so basically, the universe doesnt exist by default

16:32 matey; but it does by fluke

16:32 CrystalMath; yes

16:32 CrystalMath; just like life

16:32 matey; but that fluke can happen only once

16:33 CrystalMath; well no

16:33 CrystalMath; you see the fluke can happen again

16:33 XRevan86; "but that fluke can happen only once" <- [citation needed]

16:33 matey; its not my argument, XRevan86

16:33 CrystalMath; not my argument either

16:33 matey; okay

16:33 matey; but when you said "disproven"

16:33 matey; and that it had happened

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16:33 CrystalMath; yeah, this universe will not survive indefinitely

16:33 matey; but it was disproven that it could happen again

16:33 CrystalMath; but a new one can happen

16:34 matey; this universe will not survive indefinitely <- youre pretty sure?

16:34 CrystalMath; pretty sure

16:34 matey; as long as youre pretty sure

16:34 CrystalMath; not even Penrose has hopes that we could survive indefinitely

16:34 matey; mincer does

16:35 CrystalMath; and like i said, saying that everyone here will die a normal biological death is an astoundingly great bet

16:35 matey; even though he hopes we dont, he has hopes we could :)

16:35 TR News; Steven Vaughan-Nichols now helps Microsoft by spinning Microsoft shipping malware as an "open source" issue https://www.zdnet.com/article/corrupted-open-source-software-enters-the-russian-battlefield/

16:35 TR Bot; open-source software enters the Russian battlefield | ZDNet

16:35 matey; oh biological death seems very likely yes

16:35 matey; but theres a wee difference between biological death and oops, universe doesnt exist

16:36 matey; not that it would make any PRACTICAL difference

16:36 matey; i mean, it would be the same to us

16:36 CrystalMath; it's actually extremely unlikely that we will be suddenly instantly wiped out by a

16:36 matey; you have to be pretty sentimental to care if theres a universe after every being in the universe is dead

16:36 CrystalMath; (sentence stopped on purpose for comedic effect ;P)

16:37 CrystalMath; but i meant to add "quantum vacuum decay event"

16:37 matey; but forever is such a long time

16:38 CrystalMath; the universe, as it is, is hostile to ordered things like life and computers

16:38 TR News; "most of my activity around Debian has come to a complete halt (Send your thanks to da-manager@debian.org!). Since I still have a few computers running Debian, I keep maintaining a few things which I heavily rely on, in particular KDE/Plasma and RSSguard." https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/03/packages-for-debian-kde-plasma-rssguard-et-al/

16:38 TR Bot; Packages for Debian: KDE/Plasma, RSSguard, et al | There and back again

16:38 matey; so is microsoft

16:38 CrystalMath; that's why computers always fail, and lives always end

16:38 CrystalMath; and software always crashes

16:40 TR News; "This is the 99th issue of syslog-ng Insider, a monthly newsletter that brings you syslog-ng-related news." https://www.syslog-ng.com/community/b/blog/posts/the-syslog-ng-insider-2022-03-syslog-ng-4-mqtt-source-zinc-elastic-cloud-3-36 https://www.syslog-ng.com/community/b/blog/posts/the-system-source-of-syslog-ng-now-also-works-on-macos

16:40 MinceR; well, presumably if we do manage to overcome our issues, it might actually be worth surviving indefinitely

16:40 TR Bot; syslog-ng insider 2022-03: syslog-ng 4; MQTT source; Zinc; Elastic Cloud; 3.36; - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community

16:40 TR Bot; system() source of syslog-ng now also works on MacOS - Blog - syslog-ng Community - syslog-ng Community

16:40 TR News; The 5 Best Open-Source Internet Radio Apps for Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162844

16:40 TR Bot; The 5 Best Open-Source Internet Radio Apps for Linux | Tux Machines

16:40 MinceR; if we don't, it's unlikely that we can protect ourselves from the threats of the universe anyway, or even from ourselves

16:41 matey; russians have replaced mincer with a facsimile

16:41 matey; but they dont fool me, this one is too optimistic

16:41 MinceR; prayer doesn't work against asteroids

16:41 MinceR; prayer doesn't stop the lifecycle of the Sun

16:41 MinceR; and neither does totalitarianism

16:42 matey; mincer: so its win-win basically

16:42 TR News; Heres why Putin wont use nukes in Ukraine Pass it on. | I, Cringely https://www.cringely.com/2022/03/21/heres-why-putin-wont-use-nukes-in-ukraine-pass-it-on/

16:42 TR Bot; why Putin wont use nukes in Ukraine Pass it on. | I, Cringely

16:42 MinceR; i guess so

16:43 TR News; "For many years weve had this outstanding idea to add a new API to libcurl that would offer applications easy access to HTTP response headers." https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/22/a-headers-api-for-libcurl/

16:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/22/a-headers-api-for-libcurl/

16:43 TR Bot; headers API for libcurl | daniel.haxx.se

16:44 CrystalMath; MinceR: i see myself as on entropy's side, tbh

16:44 CrystalMath; i welcome my eventual end

16:44 XRevan86; https://zona.media/news/2022/03/22/nev well crap

16:44 Alternative link; Cloudflare: zona.media | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://zona.media/news/2022/03/22/nev

16:44 TR Bot;

16:44 XRevan86; Nevzorov caught it.

16:44 MinceR; caught what?

16:45 XRevan86; MinceR: A criminal case for spreading "fakes".

16:45 XRevan86; for sharing footage from Ukraine

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16:45 MinceR; ic

16:45 TR News; Linux Mint Debian Edition 5 Available to Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162666#comment-33153

16:45 TR Bot; LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) 5 Elsie Is Now Available for Download | Tux Machines

16:46 TR News; "The Web and design team at Canonical run two-week iterations building and maintaining all of the Canonical websites and product web interfaces. Here are some of the highlights of our completed work from this iteration." https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-25-february-2022

16:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/design-and-web-team-summary-25-february-2022

16:46 TR Bot; and Web team summary 25 February 2022 | Ubuntu

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16:49 XRevan86; MinceR: Ukraine is fake news.

16:50 XRevan86; There is no war, every picture is fake.

16:50 schestowitz-TR; "peacekeeping"

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16:50 activelow; XRevan86: i feel like joining one of the protests, and swinging a flag "No weapons of mass destruction in Ukraine"

16:51 schestowitz-TR; it's a good thing Russia got there in time

16:51 schestowitz-TR; For the "peacekeeping"

16:51 TR News; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162845

16:51 TR Bot; IBM/Red Hat/Fedora Leftovers | Tux Machines

16:51 XRevan86; activelow: Sounds good. Just in case: Russian weapons of mass destruction?

16:51 matey; youve got to spend peace to keep peace

16:51 matey; you cant have your peace and eat it too

16:51 matey; peace of cake

16:51 schestowitz-TR; peace of cake

16:51 schestowitz-TR; oh

16:51 XRevan86; matey: "Z !"

16:52 matey; ugh

16:52 schestowitz-TR; same joke

16:52 schestowitz-TR; same time

16:52 XRevan86; War is Peace.

16:52 matey; war <3 peace

16:52 matey; freedom <3 slavery

16:52 activelow; XRevan86: officially Ukraine and the comedian from Kiev haven't got any; yet Selensky argued the Budapest Memorandum was void.

16:52 matey; microsoft <3 linux

16:52 schestowitz-TR; microsoft <3 microsoft

16:52 XRevan86; The best thing is that this is not a hyperbole enough.

16:52 XRevan86; s/enough/anymore/

16:52 schestowitz-TR; bill loves Lolita

16:53 TR News; Xonsh Shell Combines the Best of Bash Shell and Python in Linux Terminal Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162846

16:53 TR Bot; Xonsh Shell Combines the Best of Bash Shell and Python in Linux Terminal | Tux Machines

16:53 XRevan86; I shouldn't let myself be distracted and let muscle memory finish my sentences.

16:53 matey; <XRevan86> The best thing is that this is not a hyperbole enough. <- we should call pudding the minister of truth

16:53 matey; and the minister of peace

16:53 psydruid; Lolita <3 Nabokov

16:55 XRevan86; https://okrug.tv/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/b67ea222357c69b97cef466a37aee0ba4e2a7dfe-1536x1023.jpg

16:55 XRevan86; Just so people here don't think I'm exaggerating.

16:55 TR News; Microsoft outsourcing https://blog.tomecek.net/post/prometheus-counters-dont-behave/

16:55 TR Bot; Prometheus counters don't behave Blog | Tom Tomeek

16:55 MinceR; russian alphabet reform!

16:55 TR News; New Linux kernel has improved random-number generation Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162847

16:55 TR Bot; New Linux kernel has improved random-number generation | Tux Machines

16:56 XRevan86; "Z ! Z ! Z !" ("For peace! For Russia! For the president!" with all 's replaced with a Latin "Z").

16:56 MinceR; should have been "Z z"

16:57 XRevan86; MinceR: .

16:57 psydruid; Mir me dolazi na obzir

16:57 TR News; "These packages are basically the .EXE of Debian-based Linux distributions" Git lib ted - This is nonsense and false https://linuxstoney.com/in-linux-they-are-basic-but-do-you-know-what-deb-files-are/

16:57 MinceR; my font renderer just had an aneurysm :>

16:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxstoney.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxstoney.com/in-linux-they-are-basic-but-do-you-know-what-deb-files-are/

16:57 TR Bot; Linux, they are basic, but do you know what DEB files are? - LinuxStoney

16:57 matey; why a latin z?

16:58 XRevan86; matey: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z_(military_symbol)

16:58 TR Bot; Z (military symbol) - Wikipedia

16:58 matey; good lord.

16:58 MinceR; i guess z is easier to distinguish v than from from

16:58 MinceR; also easier to write

16:58 MinceR; and so "Z" is becoming a nazi symbol

16:59 MinceR; s/sh /sh from /

16:59 matey; well if you take 2 z's

16:59 matey; and rotate one 90 degrees

16:59 MinceR; yeah, they could go further

16:59 matey; then put it over the other one...

16:59 MinceR; " !" etc.

16:59 TR News; EasyOS: "Forum member 'proebler' reported that when the geany text editor extra-plugins package is installed (via the package manager), the spell-checking plugin does not work."

16:59 psydruid; CrystalMath, z z

5 PM, March 22

17:00 MinceR; oops, wrong direction

17:00 CrystalMath; psydruid: heh, that sudden latin z :P

17:00 MinceR; " !" etc.

17:00 matey; <XRevan86> The best thing is that this is not a hyperbole enough. #techrights : 03/22/22 16:53 <XRevan86> I shouldn't let myself be distracted and let muscle memory finish my sentences. <- i often type the word next to the one i meant to type

17:00 CrystalMath; but if this is meant to be serbian, then it should be "u obzir", no?

17:00 psydruid; oh, right

17:00 psydruid; I forgot the exact expression

17:01 TR News; "Notea is an open-source web-based note-taking app for creative people." https://medevel.com/notea-os-note-taking-app/ needs to delete Microsoft Github

17:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/notea-os-note-taking-app/

17:01 TR Bot; Notea is an open-source clutter-free note-taking app for productive people

17:01 psydruid; I haven't done any vocabulary learning recently

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17:01 CrystalMath; XRevan86: did Z have any meanings before this?

17:01 TR News; This one too needs to delete Microsoft Github https://medevel.com/planka-os-project-management/

17:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/planka-os-project-management/

17:01 TR Bot; Planka is a Libre Kanban-based project manager for teams

17:02 XRevan86; CrystalMath: no

17:02 psydruid; z z

17:02 XRevan86; "" <- oh, an oi? Just like in Ukrainian, interesting.

17:02 schestowitz-TR; eucrasian

17:02 XRevan86; psydruid: Does it happen in a stressed position always?

17:03 CrystalMath; XRevan86: yeah, serbian looks a bit like ukrainian sometimes

17:03 CrystalMath; also with verbs in the infinitive ending in -ti

17:03 XRevan86; I've noticed that in Ukrainian that oi is not always stressed, but when it's not the word has a different stress in Russian, like "".

17:03 XRevan86; CrystalMath: -ti is pan-Slavic.

17:03 psydruid; XRevan86, CrystalMath can tell you, I'm just a guest in his language and country (sometimes)

17:04 XRevan86; In Russian it is reduced to -t'

17:05 XRevan86; In Ukrainian it's broadened to -ty (and common dialectal -t' is also present)

17:06 schestowitz-TR; I read that as bombarded

17:06 activelow; is this the root of Ukraine: Ukrach (to steel)?

17:07 XRevan86; activelow: no, and ye also misspelt "steal".

17:07 TR News; "The company only lists Windows 10 and Windows 11 operating systems for iBOX 1200 embedded BOX PCs, so its unclear" why CNX even covers this! https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/22/asrock-fanless-ibox-1200-series-alder-lake-p-mini-pcs/ http://techrights.org/2022/02/17/cnxsoftware-partly-compromised/

17:07 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/22/asrock-fanless-ibox-1200-series-alder-lake-p-mini-pcs/

17:07 TR Bot; ASRock introduces fanless iBOX 1200 Series Alder Lake-U mini PCs - CNX Software

17:07 TR Bot; The C in CNX Software is Not Community | Techrights

17:07 TR News; Quadric devkit features q16 hybrid AI, DSP, computer vision accelerator Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162848

17:07 TR Bot; Quadric devkit features q16 hybrid AI, DSP, computer vision accelerator | Tux Machines

17:08 psydruid; that's a bombshell

17:08 CrystalMath; XRevan86: it's sometimes reduced to -t' in croatian, also dialectal

17:08 TR News; First world problems https://cubiclenate.com/2022/03/21/wireless-network-bridge-solution/

17:08 TR Bot; Network Bridge Solution CubicleNate's Techpad

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17:09 XRevan86; schestowitz: In English the concept of slendering/broadening (i.e. palatalisation/velarisation) is not developed, so good luck understanding what I meant :)

17:09 TR News; Pollutes the planet all the same https://dwaves.de/2022/03/22/human-space-travel-to-moon-and-mars-one-more-step-for-mankind-reusable-renewable-rockets-are-the-way-to-the-space-future/

17:09 TR Bot; Human Space Travel to Moon and Mars one more step for mankind Reusable Renewable Rockets are the way to the Space future | dwaves.de

17:09 psydruid; as predicted the malicious x86 computer industry will try anything to stay relevant in the face of competition

17:10 XRevan86; > The palatalized/velarized contrast is known by other names, especially in language pedagogy: in Irish and Scottish Gaelic language teaching, the terms slender (for palatalized) and broad (for velarized) are often used.

17:10 XRevan86; > palatalized ("soft" or iotated) and plain ("hard") Slavic consonants.

17:10 XRevan86; There is different terminology to refer to the same concept.

17:11 XRevan86; CrystalMath: "it's sometimes reduced to -t' in croatian, also dialectal" <- The difference is not as noticeable as in Ukrainian.

17:11 psydruid; also those AMD Milan-X parts with huge caches that will only benefit a few workloads to a limited extent seem like a waste of transistors

17:12 psydruid; but I take it they will be really expensive to acquire and run

17:12 XRevan86; Because velarised -ty and (shortened) palatalised -t' are on opposite sides from original -ti

17:12 XRevan86; I.e. these are diverging developments.

17:13 XRevan86; But not too diverging, Ukrainian can do both.

17:14 XRevan86; Ukrainian in comparison to many other Slavic languages is very velarised.

17:14 TR News; This morning a bunch of documents were circulated to explain in a more concise fashion abuses that EPO staff had been subjected to http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/epo-dissent-explained/

17:14 TR Bot; EPO Staff Explains Why Its Going on Strike | Techrights

17:16 XRevan86; psydruid: Do ye know of other Slavic languages that shift from slender consonants like t' to a velar "t" rather than go full circle and end up with complete iotation like "ts", "ch" or "sh"?

17:16 XRevan86; (ye know what I'm talking about?)

17:16 psydruid; XRevan86, what is velar?

17:17 psydruid; I think Bulgarian is close to Serbian in terms of sounds, but I haven't actually studied it

17:18 XRevan86; psydroid:

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17:21 psydruid; I think I understand what you mean

17:21 psydruid; doesn't Polish have that?

17:22 psydruid; gwny <-> glavni

17:23 XRevan86; psydruid: No, I mean like "robiti" "robyty"

17:24 psydruid; I only speak bits and pieces of 4 Slavic languages

17:24 XRevan86; In Polish that would be "robi" ("robich")

17:24 psydruid; y?

17:25 psydruid; by

17:26 TR News; "The Open Source Initiative has announced the results of its 2022 board election." https://lwn.net/Articles/888863/ http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/open-source-initiative-goodbyes/

17:26 TR Bot; Open Source Initiative elects a new board [LWN.net]

17:26 TR Bot; [Meme] Goodbye to the OSIs Microsoft Treasure(r) | Techrights

17:26 XRevan86; psydruid: "" is like a second stage palatalisation, that's what I meant by complete iotation.

17:26 XRevan86; In English that manifests in words like "action'.

17:26 TR News; Criminals from Microsoft breached by other criminals https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/03/22/lapsus-okta-microsoft/

17:26 TR Bot; Lapsus$ gang says it has breached Okta and Microsoft - Help Net Security

17:27 psydruid; I don't know enough Czech and Slovak to say anything about them

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17:28 psydruid; XRevan86, I meant the preceding vowel

17:28 TR News; Stop calling Windows "PC" https://twinfinite.net/2022/03/out-of-the-park-baseball-23-set-to-launch-on-pc-mac-linux-april-22/ Windows is CP http://techrights.org/2020/08/16/bill-gates-jeffrey-epstein-and-rick-allen-jones/

17:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: twinfinite.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://twinfinite.net/2022/03/out-of-the-park-baseball-23-set-to-launch-on-pc-mac-linux-april-22/

17:28 TR Bot; Out of the Park Baseball 23 Set to Launch On PC, Mac, & Linux April 22

17:28 TR Bot; What is Known for a Fact (Not Speculation) About Bill Gates, Jeffrey Epstein, and Rick Allen Jones | Techrights

17:29 TR News; Google announce 'alpha-quality' Steam on Chrome OS is now actually here | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-announce-alpha-quality-steam-on-chrome-os-is-now-actually-here

17:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/google-announce-alpha-quality-steam-on-chrome-os-is-now-actually-here

17:29 TR Bot; announce 'alpha-quality' Steam on Chrome OS is now actually here | GamingOnLinux

17:29 XRevan86; psydruid: Ah, well, it's like that in almost all Slavic languages.

17:30 TR News; "There are now more than 1600 games working on the Steam Deck (1618 at the time of writing) in two categories as usual..." https://boilingsteam.com/1600-games-on-the-steam-deck-including-dirt-5-as-verified/

17:30 psydruid; and in Serbian iirc

17:30 TR Bot; 1600 Games On The Steam Deck, including Dirt 5 as Verified - Boiling Steam

17:30 XRevan86; https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Cs-b%C3%BDt.ogg oh wow, many not

17:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: wikimedia.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/44/Cs-b%C3%BDt.ogg

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17:31 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/white-house-warns-of-possible-russian-cyberattacks.html

17:31 TR Bot; House Warns of Possible Russian Cyberattacks - Schneier on Security

17:32 XRevan86; Wait, it's a homophone with "to beat" ("") in Czech then?

17:32 TR News; "Alice: Madness Returns is an absolute classic from Spicy Horse Games and EA. It vanished from Steam for years and it recently arrived back. With Proton on Linux and Steam Deck, it does work quite well too!" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/alice-madness-returns-appears-on-steam-again-works-well-on-steam-deck-with-60fps-fix

17:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/alice-madness-returns-appears-on-steam-again-works-well-on-steam-deck-with-60fps-fix

17:32 TR Bot; Madness Returns appears on Steam again, works well on Steam Deck with 60FPS fix | GamingOnLinux

17:32 psydruid; apparently :)

17:32 TR News; Discover Overlay is a Discord chat UI that now works on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/discover-overlay-is-a-discord-chat-ui-that-now-works-on-steam-deck

17:32 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/discover-overlay-is-a-discord-chat-ui-that-now-works-on-steam-deck

17:32 TR Bot; Overlay is a Discord chat UI that now works on Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux

17:35 TR News; The guardian of Bill Gates and his child sex monsters, MIT, is blaming "open source" for MICROSOFT shipping MALWARE https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/03/21/1047489/activists-are-targeting-russians-with-open-source-protestware

17:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: technologyreview.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/03/21/1047489/activists-are-targeting-russians-with-open-source-protestware

17:35 TR Bot; Activists are targeting Russians with open-source "protestware" | MIT Technology Review

17:35 XRevan86; psydruid: To beat or not to beat?

17:35 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162849

17:35 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

17:36 psydruid; XRevan86, what is the question? :)

17:38 TR News; MIT Technology Review basically blames the victims of Microsoft for what Microsoft is doing

17:38 TR News; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM http://techrights.org/2022/02/28/microsoft-github-expose-part-xviii-the-story-of-npm/

17:38 TR Bot; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XVIII The Story of NPM | Techrights

17:39 TR News; Microsoft: it's the fault of the user when our systems get breached http://techrights.org/2019/07/14/blaming-canonical-for-github/

17:39 TR Bot; GitHub is Microsofts Proprietary Software and Centralised (Monopoly) Platform, But When Canonicals Account There Gets Compromised Suddenly Its Ubuntus Fault? | Techrights

17:40 TR News; Games: Out of the Park Baseball 23, Steam, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162850

17:40 TR Bot; Games: Out of the Park Baseball 23, Steam, and More | Tux Machines

17:40 activelow; AMD Milan-x 768MiB L3 cache... the cortex a53 got 3000x less than that, 256KiB, and surprisingly it's enough for 4cores

17:40 XRevan86; psydruid: Some say a question, others say torture.

17:42 XRevan86; psydruid: Fun fact: the Ukrainian word for question is indeed the same word as the Russian word for torture "", the trick is that the meaning is idiomatic. So it originated like "nagging" I guess.

17:42 TR News; AvosLocker is a ransomware group that was identified in 2021, specifically targeting Windows machines https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/22/fbi-and-fincen-release-advisory-avoslocker-ransomware FBI and CISA do not even name Microsoft or Windows, as usual

17:42 TR Bot; FBI and FinCEN Release Advisory on AvosLocker Ransomware | CISA

17:43 psydruid; AMD Milan-X isn't 1000 times as fast as a processor with Cortex-A53 cores

17:43 XRevan86; So they're not like some strange conflation of sounds.

17:44 XRevan86; Language development, amirite?

17:44 TR News; " Exploitable remotely/low attack complexity" proprietary software https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-081-01

17:44 TR Bot; Delta Electronics DIAEnergie | CISA

17:45 TR News; "MSSQLSERVER" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-21-238-03 Microsoft

17:45 TR Bot; Delta Electronics DIAEnergie (Update B) | CISA

17:45 activelow; sad, sun12x22 console font is russophobe... no cyrillic hyroglyphs with it

17:45 psydruid; in Hindi we have the verb "puchna" and noun "prana"

17:46 psydruid; XRevan86, that is an interesting development, yeah

17:46 TR News; Microsoft SQL 'Server' is not a DB. It's malware that can also do some things like a real DB.

17:46 CrystalMath; XRevan86: in serbian that means "to ask"

17:47 *psymin (~psymin@joseon-2ft.k30.kbr670.IP) has joined #techrights

17:47 XRevan86; Err, yea, "to ask".

17:47 XRevan86; Don't know why I treated "question" like a verb. Doesn't matter, the word for "question" in Ukrainian is "".

17:48 XRevan86; So a noun formed from a verb.

17:48 CrystalMath; close to serbian, "pitanje"

17:48 activelow; "to ash"... from "asha"... the truth, the remains from fire (Persian i think)

17:48 XRevan86; CrystalMath: Looks like this is common.

17:48 *psymin has quit (Connection closed)

17:48 TR News; Microsoft cannot defend Windows (too many back doors and defects), so the best it can do it pay the media to stay quiet, change the topic, or blame the wrong parties.

17:49 psydruid; !

17:49 XRevan86; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/pytati hm, maybe it's the other way around

17:49 TR Bot; Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/pytati - Wiktionary

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17:50 XRevan86; Looks like I mistook the direction of the development :)

17:51 TR News; "Monitoring the resources of your Linux server and watching for negative trends is one way to stay ahead of potential performance issues, and the sar command will help you do exactly that. In this video, Jay goes over the basics of the sar command." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=D5fMGFZoFT8

17:51 TR Bot; Linux Essentials - The sar Command - Invidious

17:51 matey; Fun fact: the Ukrainian word for question is indeed the same word as the Russian word for torture "", the trick is that the meaning is idiomatic. So it originated like "nagging" I guess. <- TIL my family is ukranian

17:51 XRevan86; "question nagging torture" <- Actually, question nagging torture

17:52 TR News; "In this video, I am going to show an overview of Linux Mint LMDE 5 "Elsie" and some of the applications pre-installed." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=roKebjvzP6E

17:52 TR Bot; Linux Mint LMDE 5 "Elsie" overview | Linux Mint Debian Edition an alternative to Ubuntu - Invidious

17:52 matey; english: question -> "interrogation" -> torture

17:52 psydruid; lol

17:52 matey; interrogation is questioning, it goes either way in terms of context

17:52 activelow; satan/shaitan is "scheitern", "Scheiterhaufen", of human sacrifice, burning witches and heretics

17:52 activelow; from the inquisition

17:52 XRevan86; matey: Hm, true.

17:53 MinceR; fear -> anger -> hate -> suffering

17:53 TR News; WSL is an attack on Linux, it's Windows in disguise, and firms should quit using Microsoft's attack on Linux as a pretext for bashing the security of GNU/Linux https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/QUALYS-INC-11612572/news/Qualys-Implications-of-Windows-Subsystem-for-Linux-for-Adversaries-Defenders-Part-1-39829650/

17:53 TR Bot; : Implications of Windows Subsystem for Linux for Adversaries & Defenders (Part 1) | MarketScreener

17:53 psydruid; https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/pre%E1%B8%B1-

17:53 TR Bot; Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/pre- - Wiktionary

17:53 psydruid; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/pre%E1%B8%B1-

17:53 TR Bot; Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/pre- - Wiktionary

17:53 matey; windows -> sco unix -> gnu/linux -> bsd

17:54 XRevan86; ""to ash"... from "asha"... the truth, the remains from fire (Persian i think)" <- I was distracted, so I didn't pay attention to this. So I finally read this message, noticed that it's absolute nonsense and only then noticed who wrote it.

17:55 matey; larch -> lurch -> lunch

17:55 TR News; This isn't the solution, this is the LF acting as a marketing proxy for sponsors https://www.linux.com/audience/enterprise/sboms-supporting-safety-critical-software/

17:55 TR Bot; Supporting Safety Critical Software - Linux.com

17:56 activelow; suffering = saufen (to drink, as animals do); hate from haides/hades ... the grasland; angst is the mental state of being afraid;

17:56 XRevan86; activelow: Do ye have like notes with these quips?

17:56 TR News; FOSSlife webspam https://www.fosslife.org/sysadmin-jobhub-launched

17:56 TR Bot; SysAdmin JobHub Launched

17:57 activelow; XRevan86: (old) german language

17:57 matey; soften -> saufen -> surfin

17:57 TR News; Mostly a decade-old buzzword (I think Gulag made it up ~15 years ago) for sysadmin https://www.fosslife.org/2022-report-highlights-growth-sre-practices

17:57 TR Bot; 2022 Report Highlights Growth of SRE Practices

17:58 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1503559619175600131-2048x1129.jpg

17:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/1503559619175600131-2048x1129.jpg

17:58 XRevan86; activelow: The Old German word for "ash" is "asko", the Old German word for "ask" is "aiskon".

17:58 XRevan86; These things are almost too easy to look up.

17:59 CrystalMath; activelow isn't etymology man

17:59 psydruid; I thought it was about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E1%B9%9Ata

17:59 TR Bot; ta - Wikipedia

17:59 CrystalMath; maybe he knows more about insects instead :P

17:59 MinceR; maybe he should talk more about insects, then

6 PM, March 22

18:00 XRevan86; CrystalMath: He is etymology man, but he draws his etymologies from shrooms or something.

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18:00 matey; or a hat

18:00 MinceR; or nationalist bullshit etymology

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18:00 MinceR; like the nuts who decided that hungarian is derived from turkic and/or sumerian

18:01 matey; if youre from budapest and in good health, youre a well hungarian

18:01 XRevan86; Maybe it's time to rewatch https://youtu.be/6YlJ24o8qfQ for nostalgia's sake.

18:01 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=6YlJ24o8qfQ

18:01 TR Bot; yewtu.be | - Invidious

18:02 CrystalMath; https://xkcd.com/1012/

18:02 TR Bot; Wrong Superhero

18:02 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/1012/

18:02 XRevan86; He knew how to deliver stuff well, he was a popular satiric on the Russian TV. Unfortunately he was also completely nuts.

18:03 XRevan86; ( he being https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Nikolayevich_Zadornov )

18:03 TR Bot; Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov - Wikipedia

18:04 XRevan86; > He supported the revisionist fringe theory that the Russian language descends from the Vedas and Etruria, put forward by philosopher Valeriy Chudinov. Since 2006, Zadornov had incorporated Chudinov-style wordplay into his sketches, based on folk etymology.

18:04 CrystalMath; MinceR: i noticed some vague similarity with turkish, but very little

18:04 MinceR; there are some loan words from turkish

18:04 XRevan86; ", ", that's the level of linguistic analysis.

18:04 MinceR; mostly from the time when the ottomans ruled most of hungary

18:04 MinceR; XRevan86: lol

18:04 CrystalMath; XRevan86: nice :P

18:06 TR News; Murena & /e/OS a product roadmap for 2022: towards our V1? - Gal Duval Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162851

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18:06 XRevan86; I wonder if I can find him with translations, I'm curious what activelow, a guy who thinks German is everything, would think about a guy who thought that Russian is everything.

18:06 matey; he would think the russian was wrong about everything

18:07 AdmFubar; https://www.pogowasright.org/this-database-stores-the-dna-of-31000-new-yorkers-is-it-illegal/

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18:07 TR Bot; This Database Stores the DNA of 31,000 New Yorkers. Is It Illegal?

18:07 MinceR; XRevan86: there are guys who believe hungarian is everything

18:07 CrystalMath; XRevan86: russian does ultimately descend from proto-indo-european, as does the language of the vedas

18:07 psydruid; the thing with started constructively and then I closed the video stream :)

18:07 psydruid; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/bog%D1%8A

18:07 TR Bot; Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/bog - Wiktionary

18:07 activelow; XRevan86: wrong, i am referring to old Deutsch/Saxon; modern german disgust isn't the language of mine

18:07 matey; well that settles it then

18:08 matey; thats completely different

18:08 CrystalMath; activelow: it is a fact that as you go into the past, all the european languages become closer

18:08 activelow; it is; grammatical refinement, vocabulary, pronounciation - modern german and speakers are a persiflage at best

18:08 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/nvidia-grace-server-chip-arm

18:08 TR Bot; unveils Grace, an Arm-based server chip - Protocol

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18:09 TR News; Latest Jetson Development Kit Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162852

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18:09 TR News; Announcing CrossOver 21.2.0 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162853

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18:10 activelow; CrystalMath: don't think so; some particular language roots were best preserved with old Deutsch (not anymore)

18:11 XRevan86; psydroid: "the thing with started constructively and then I closed the video stream :)" <- Ye needed to wait just a little bit longer

18:12 AdmFubar; https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/03/22/oracle_starts_to_include_java/

18:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.com/2022/03/22/oracle_starts_to_include_java/

18:12 TR Bot; Oracle starts running license audits for Java The Register

18:12 XRevan86; psydroid: 50s "" from ""

18:13 XRevan86; "" he also draws from "".

18:13 matey; 25 to 4

18:13 XRevan86; It's a bloody preposition, and a common one too.

18:13 XRevan86; CrystalMath: "russian does ultimately descend from proto-indo-european, as does the language of the vedas" <- Of course.

18:15 XRevan86; activelow: "wrong, i am referring to old Deutsch/Saxon; modern german disgust isn't the language of mine" <- Surprisingly enough, I was referring to Proto-West Germanic, an ancestor of Old Saxon.

18:16 XRevan86; And of Old High German, which could be what activelow calls "Old Deutsch".

18:17 matey; if youre retired and stoned in deutchland, youre an old high german

18:17 psydruid; is this Old High German documented somewhere so you can learn it?

18:17 activelow; psydruid: not anymore.

18:18 psydruid; I wonder why not, if you can still learn Old English and Old Norse

18:18 activelow; because, the speakers were eradicated.

18:18 XRevan86; psydroid: https://users.clas.ufl.edu/drjdg/gerdut/pubs/WrightOHGPrimer.pdf check what I found

18:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ufl.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://users.clas.ufl.edu/drjdg/gerdut/pubs/WrightOHGPrimer.pdf

18:20 XRevan86; psydroid: Unless ye meant the activelow's version of the language, in that case the speakers were eradicated, possibly by extraterrestrials.

18:21 psydruid; XRevan86, I meant the version of the language for which you just linked to a textbook

18:21 activelow; XRevan86: allright then; where is word "Sieg" (victory) derived from?

18:21 XRevan86; psydruid: Ah, well, obviously, duh. European languages are very well-researched.

18:22 matey; on mars they determine innocence or guilt using a salem-like method of dangling the accused over a balcony

18:22 matey; hence the term "extra-terrace trials"

18:23 psydruid; we have "zege" and "zegevieren" in Dutch

18:23 MinceR; lol @ extra-terrace trials

18:23 activelow; it is the Ziege (Zieg, the goat); which pre-historic farmers disputed over, and the winner got it, the Zieg (Heidrun, Almathea, etc.)

18:24 activelow; in rune script, it's the Sig Rune.

18:24 matey; take off every zieg

18:24 XRevan86; activelow: An Old High German word "sigi".

18:24 MinceR; move zieg

18:24 XRevan86; Traces back to a P-I-E word for strength, power, holding.

18:25 XRevan86; Has Greek and Sanskrit cognates.

18:26 XRevan86; https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%B4%CF%83%CF%87%CF%89#Ancient_Greek like this one

18:26 TR Bot; - Wiktionary

18:26 matey; kya hindi que spanish kaun hindi quien spanish kitne hindi quantity english

18:27 psydruid; and

18:27 matey; my mother was a saint!

18:27 XRevan86; and your father smelt of elderberries

18:27 matey; 3zw!

18:27 matey; /me has to learn real cyrillic someday

18:28 XRevan86; psydruid: oh yea, that's a way more important one

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18:31 psydruid;

18:32 XRevan86; psydruid: goat?

18:32 psydruid; that's better with the Polytonic Greek keyboard

18:33 XRevan86; psydruid: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/912/336/58c.png

18:33 XRevan86; "Is this a goat?"

18:33 TR News; Links 22/3/2022: CrossOver 21.2 and NVIDIA Developer Kit | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/crossover-21-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/crossover-21-2/

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18:35 psydruid; XRevan86, I had Ancient Greek in school, so I just thought I had to write it correctly according to the old rules I learned back then

18:36 XRevan86; psydruid: I was just alluding to the activelow's goat hypothesis.

18:37 XRevan86; Sounds nicer than the cow tit hypothesis.

18:37 psydruid; yeah, I like to keep goats far away from me

18:37 psydruid; haha

18:37 AdmFubar; Come on, seriously? You have to ask??? https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/22/has-microsoft-been-hacked/

18:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ghacks.net | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/22/has-microsoft-been-hacked/

18:37 TR Bot; Has Microsoft Been Hacked? - gHacks Tech News

18:40 AdmFubar; Update to the above story.... the hacking group that that stole their data is no returning it and paying M$ to keep it!!!!

18:40 TR News; LabPlot 2.9 Beta Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162859

18:40 TR Bot; LabPlot 2.9 Beta | Tux Machines

18:44 XRevan86; psydruid: 1:30 Zadornov traces Russian back to "several thousands of years before the construction of the Egyptian pyramids"

18:44 activelow; psydruid: ancient greek is lectured in any school i am aware of

18:44 activelow; psydruid: ancient greek is _not_ lectured in any school i am aware of

18:44 activelow; and the speakers are gone almost entirely

18:44 psydruid; active low, it is in gymnasia like the one I attended

18:44 MinceR; lol

18:45 activelow; archaic language is nuckled at the mothers breast

18:45 activelow; that's why, it is mother tongue

18:46 activelow; although, my grandmother, now 90years old, was the last remaining speaker i knew

18:46 XRevan86; Of Ancient Greek?

18:46 activelow; closer to swedish i would say

18:46 XRevan86; Ancient Greek and Swedish are practically twins

18:47 activelow; Trundhol Sun Chariot

18:47 activelow; Trundholm Sun Chariot

18:48 AdmFubar; yeah they're twins like schwarzenegger and devito....

18:49 XRevan86; AdmFubar: :)

18:49 AdmFubar; :P

18:49 psydruid; (< ) (< )

18:50 psydruid; looks more like Serbian and Sanskrit than like Swedish

18:50 psydruid; but I have an open mind

18:51 AdmFubar; I read that in a fortune cookie once...

18:51 XRevan86; "that's why, it is mother tongue" <- English speakers that have 90-year old mothers can still hear the language of Beowulf when their mothers speak.

18:52 AdmFubar; http://lxer.com/module/newswire/ext_link.php?rid=313042

18:52 TR Bot; open-source software enters the Russian battlefield | ZDNet

18:53 psydruid; I'm still looking for that elusive universal cow tit goat language

18:55 AdmFubar; don't baaaa-ther!

18:55 XRevan86; Their mums are like "aweorpan threax", and they're like "O.K., mum, in a minute!"

18:56 AdmFubar; hhhmmm that sounds more bostonian....

18:56 XRevan86; (I cannot guarantee accuracy)

18:59 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/sourcecode/metas-collision-course-with-history

7 PM, March 22

19:00 TR Bot; embraced the death of globalization, and its paying off - Protocol

19:00 XRevan86; AdmFubar: Maybe that's what it was like for activelow.

19:03 kingoffrance; pretty sure sanctions are "globalization" in action, and not "the death of globalization"

19:03 XRevan86; psydruid: The reptilians erased it from existence.

19:03 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/enterprise/last-mile-delivery-data-commerce

19:03 TR Bot; Here use firefighters and location data for mapping - Protocol

19:04 XRevan86; psydruid: Only activelow is left alive to share the wisdom of the slime.

19:04 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-fintech/crypto-sanctions-compliance

19:04 TR Bot; Elizabeth Warrens latest crypto bill is ringing alarms - Protocol

19:07 XRevan86; activelow: On what language do ye think they speak on the planet Nibiru?

19:08 MinceR; (cat) (audio:important) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04pdRDvith4

19:08 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=04pdRDvith4

19:08 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Tortoiseshell cat meowing squeaky and her purring friend are so cute - Invidious

19:09 AdmFubar; coming soon a new soft drink.. Slurm! https://www.rawstory.com/2657016890/

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19:16 activelow; XRevan86: there is very few speakers remaing, yes.

19:17 XRevan86; activelow: Can ye give an example of speech?

19:17 *XRevan86 has popcorn ready.

19:18 activelow; XRevan86: no. it is ridiculed as if the speakers were dumbfucks.

19:18 XRevan86; activelow: Don't be shy.

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19:19 activelow; a good start is Netherlands, among the Swiss-Germans, and some emmigrees of the Mennonites/Amish/Hutterites

19:19 XRevan86; activelow: "a good start is Netherlands" <- Was your mother from Holland?

19:20 XRevan86; and spoke Dutch as a native tongue?

19:20 activelow; XRevan86: no, my mother is from Saxony-Anhalt, her father was the offspring of a Russian WW2 soldier btw.

19:20 activelow; and the dialect was common among the relatives of my father

19:21 XRevan86; activelow: Um dude

19:21 XRevan86; activelow: Your mystery Old German is called Low German.

19:21 XRevan86; It's a different dialect group from High German.

19:21 activelow; although, the dialect from saxony-anhalt is important too, with some consonant shifts (g -> j)

19:21 XRevan86; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German#Geographical_extent

19:21 TR Bot; Low German - Wikipedia

19:21 activelow; it's not a dialect group as such, it is *old* Deutsch

19:23 activelow; and the names given to children changed, the names of the generation of my grandparents disappeared completely nowadays, both forname and surnames.

19:23 XRevan86; https://language.mki.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1102/2017/05/deutsche_dialekte.jpg

19:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: wisc.edu | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://language.mki.wisc.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1102/2017/05/deutsche_dialekte.jpg

19:23 activelow; and even if, occasionally, some names re-appear, it is charlatans and fakes often.

19:24 activelow; same with the language, which is mocked and immitated sometimes, yet it isn't the original.

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19:24 activelow; XRevan86: and, i am missig the particular humor, which disappeared to.

19:25 activelow; too

19:25 XRevan86; activelow: Ye're like those people that think that Bulgarian is the real Old Russian.

19:26 activelow; XRevan86: the cyrillic script is attributed to Bulgaria, although i cannot verify this.

19:26 activelow; and i suspect, modern Russian/Cyrillic is a newer greek dialect offspring, west-germanic is probably older

19:27 XRevan86; West-Germanic Cyrillic is older than Russian Cyrillic?

19:27 activelow; with rune-script being the common ancestry of both Latin and Greek script

19:27 activelow; XRevan86: no, i suspect cyrillic script is younger than runes ("latin"/"greek")

19:27 psydruid; XRevan86, is there a similar work for Old Low German?

19:28 XRevan86; psydruid: Internet has it all.

19:28 psydruid; all-right, I just have to pray to a goat to be able to find it

19:29 activelow; Baphomet, yes.

19:29 XRevan86; psydruid: Maybe as "Old Saxon"

19:32 activelow; seems common among some frenchmen too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jean_Dodal_Tarot_trump_15.jpg

19:32 TR Bot; File:Jean Dodal Tarot trump 15.jpg - Wikipedia

19:33 activelow; yet this is only satire, humor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baphomet

19:33 TR Bot; Baphomet - Wikipedia

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19:38 psydruid; "Wi Leahre Plautdietsch: A Beginner's Guide to Mennonite Low German (Dutch, German and English Edition)"

19:38 XRevan86; psydruid: That's good, because I couldn't find it :)

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19:42 TR News; United Kingdom: COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Highest Number in a Month, Deaths Highest in 1.5 Months, and More Than Half a Million Infected Per Week http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/22/united-kingdom-covid/

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19:51 bnchs__; hmmm

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19:53 DaemonFC; Well, the doctor visit went better than I had anticipated.

19:54 DaemonFC; It seems like half of them should be under malpractice investigation these days. Especially those ones at the Health Department.

19:54 DaemonFC; When a patient consistently has high blood pressure that is stage 1 hypertension, you don't tell them "We're absolutely not treating this with medication, go home and eat a DASH diet or enjoy the stroke.".

19:55 DaemonFC; But that's basically what the Health Department does.

19:55 bnchs__; DaemonFC, lol

19:55 bnchs__; you have blood pressure

19:55 bnchs__; ofc you're fat go diet retard

19:55 bnchs__; because we don't treat you

19:55 DaemonFC; And when you tell them "I hate DASH diets and I tried one for a while and it doesn't work." they just stare blankly.

19:56 MinceR; DAESH diet

19:56 DaemonFC; Yeah, I'm overweight, oh well.

19:56 bnchs__; wait the diet didn't work

19:56 bnchs__; well

19:56 DaemonFC; I told the doctor "I eat what I want, when I want, and however much I want. What can I say? Frankly, I'm surprised it wasn't worse when I got on your scale.".

19:57 DaemonFC; Most of my family is overweight. Some make me look like I belong on a Star Trek TV show by comparison.

19:57 bnchs__; lol

19:57 bnchs__; when you step on his scale

19:57 bnchs__; it's gonna turn into paper

19:58 bnchs__; like paperweight

19:58 DaemonFC; Well, I'll tell you, my dad's family is all FAT and they live forever.

19:58 DaemonFC; My uncle is like 2.5 of me and he's still alive, and almost 70.

19:58 *kingoffrance .oO( systemd so fat <insert jokes here> )

19:59 bnchs__; maybe doctor should tell you what you have

19:59 DaemonFC; We went over to their house for dinner one night in the 90s.

19:59 DaemonFC; That aunt and uncle.

19:59 bnchs__; instead of calling you fat fuck and being surprised you managed to fit through the door

19:59 DaemonFC; And they served us these massive fucking enchiladas, and they were GOOD.

19:59 DaemonFC; And after we ate, we were full to the point of not being able to eat more, you know....

8 PM, March 22

20:00 bnchs__; heh american dinner

20:01 bnchs__; how do you weigh

20:01 DaemonFC; And then it turns out that was the appetizer, and here comes Aunt Liz

20:01 DaemonFC; With dinner!

20:01 DaemonFC; And then there was fried ice cream.

20:01 DaemonFC; Everything in that house was fat.

20:01 DaemonFC; The goldfish were carp.

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20:02 DaemonFC; The cats ate until they vomited and then went back and ate more.

20:02 DaemonFC; It was like the Roman Empire in there.

20:02 bnchs__; wtf how much do you weigh

20:02 DaemonFC; 255 pounds.

20:02 DaemonFC; I'm 6' 4".

20:02 bnchs__; yeah thats because the scale overflowed

20:02 bnchs__; it's probably more than that

20:03 bnchs__; 8-bit weigh

20:03 DaemonFC; No, those scales are accurate up to 400 pounds or so.

20:03 XRevan86; activelow: I don't know if I should comment on the rune thing, because the runes derived from a precursor of Latin, and so obviously younger than the Greek alphabet. They are absolutely older than Cyrillic so ye got that right.

20:04 bnchs__; nah i'm just joking, because it was a bit of a coincidence that your weight was 255

20:04 bnchs__; the highest value you can store in 8-bits

20:04 DaemonFC; But my dad's family doesn't diet. They eat whatever they want. They're all massive. The only reason none of them that I know of made it past 86 (grandpa) was because he also smoked 3 packs of unfiltered cigarettes per day most of his life.

20:04 DaemonFC; And was constantly drunk.

20:05 DaemonFC; Going down the neighborhood (in 1955) shouting "Wanda! I want pussy!".

20:05 bnchs__; so you said your uncle was 2.5 of you?

20:05 bnchs__; that means he's more than 500 pounds

20:05 DaemonFC; He looks like Ron Jeremy ate Richard Stallman.

20:05 DaemonFC; I'm not shitting you.

20:05 bnchs__; dude rms has that sphere belly

20:05 bnchs__; it's literally impossible

20:06 DaemonFC; You'd think so.

20:06 bnchs__; to have that kind of belly

20:06 DaemonFC; And he's almost a foot shorter than I am.

20:06 activelow; XRevan86: archeological findings contradict your position

20:06 DaemonFC; So I mean, he's over 500 pounds and a foot shorter than me.

20:06 DaemonFC; Most of my dad's family is short.

20:06 DaemonFC; Short and fat.

20:07 bnchs__; nobody runs in your family

20:07 bnchs__; i bet they're just mountains of fat

20:07 activelow; XRevan86: "Ring of Pietroassa", some historical evidence, which was systematically destroyed by some certain people

20:07 DaemonFC; Nobody in my dad's family can run.

20:07 DaemonFC; Between the eating and the smoking.

20:07 bnchs__; nah they can run

20:08 bnchs__; if you tease them with food at the end

20:08 DaemonFC; They'd have a stroke 5 feet in.

20:08 DaemonFC; My grandfather made it to 86, somehow, but it was a bad 86.

20:08 XRevan86; activelow: Ye do realise the Greek alphabet is BCE?

20:08 DaemonFC; He had dementia, cancer, heart disease, diabetes.

20:08 DaemonFC; It was all self-inflicted.

20:08 XRevan86; activelow: The ring is CE

20:09 bnchs__; lol

20:09 TR News; "My employer is going through cutdowns and layoffs at the moment. Swedish labour law is pretty unforgiving when it comes to layoffs; there are strict rules around who you get to let go and the measures you have to take in order to justify it." gemini://warmedal.se/~bjorn/posts/2022-03-22-being-laid-off-starting-new-chapter.gmi

20:09 bnchs__; well

20:09 activelow; XRevan86: yes, and it's mis-labeled

20:09 DaemonFC; My grandpa on dad's side could drink the Russians under the table.

20:09 XRevan86; activelow: Is it actually older than the pyramids too?

20:09 bnchs__; you know what they say, live your life to the fullest

20:09 bnchs__; fullest (literally)

20:09 activelow; XRevan86: bronce-age

20:10 DaemonFC; They'd wait until he passed out at the bar and then steal all the money out of his wallet.

20:10 TR News; "Found out yesterday that I have COVID. I'm all quarantined in the master bedroom, and feeling much better now actually. My poor 5 year-old was so scared for me and sad before bed. She is used to snuggling me every night. She was also concerned I would get COVID germs all over her books in here haha." gemini://rawtext.club/~mieum/allokdallok.gmi

20:10 DaemonFC; He had just cashed his paycheck and they'd help themselves to all of it.

20:10 DaemonFC; Had five kids, nothing left to feed them with, and he made good money.

20:10 DaemonFC; It was a UNION JOB at GM.

20:10 *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights

20:10 DaemonFC; GM, back at the peak of GM.

20:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 42.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 12.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.90

20:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 42.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 12.61 average k/sec., average swarm size 279.90

20:11 DaemonFC; Not bankrupt and the car breaks down by the third payment, guaranteed, GM.

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20:11 TR News; "While Gemini doesn't have many weather services, most platforms do. I think there are so many because weather can be so personal. Do you care about barometric pressure? Personally I don't, unless it's dropping, indicating a storm or weather front coming in." gemini://gemi.dev/gemlog/2022-03-21-chilly-weather.gmi

20:11 activelow; XRevan86: my hypothesis, the rune script is the scripture and culture supposedly lost during the "late bronce age collapse", and the following "greek dark ages" after persian raids

20:12 DaemonFC; He was a very mean man.

20:12 activelow; this is what i _believe_

20:12 DaemonFC; So he beat his wife, beat his kids, and then passed out somewhere.

20:12 DaemonFC; And then they'd all go hungry.

20:12 XRevan86; activelow: Or maybe it was made out of gold from 250 to 400 CE by the Goths.

20:12 bnchs__; wow

20:12 DaemonFC; One day he beat my grandmother because there was no food in the house except the shrimp he bought to use as fish bait, and she fried it up and fed it to the kids.

20:12 bnchs__; they all go hungry except him?

20:13 DaemonFC; He used to put them all in the car and make them steal corn.

20:13 DaemonFC; They'd pull over next to a field and fill the trunk with stolen corn.

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20:14 DaemonFC; So when there was food in the house, it would usually be things like lunch meat sandwiches and boiled corn that grandpa stole (even though he made very good money at GM).

20:15 TR News; Whats new for developers in the OpenShift 4.10 console | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/22/whats-new-developers-openshift-410-console

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20:15 XRevan86; activelow: That would explain why the inscription is Gothic, right?

20:15 DaemonFC; He'd drink til passed out, get ripped off for whatever was left in his wallet, scream that he wanted pussy for the entire neighborhood to hear, beat the wife, beat the kids, starve them all, and then pass out again.

20:15 bnchs__; DaemonFC, living your life to the fullest

20:15 DaemonFC; Yeah, more Irish than mjg59_ for sure.

20:16 TR News; ICBM <3 "fuck you NVIDIA" https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/red-hat-and-nvidia-accelerate-enterprise-ai-projects-gpus-dpus-and-mlops

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20:16 DaemonFC; I'm cursed. It's on both sides of my family. The Irish. OMFG...

20:16 activelow; XRevan86: any idea why it was destroyed, this ring of the goths?

20:17 DaemonFC; Mom was talking out of her ass one day a long time ago and said there may have been a black person in my dad's side of the family somewhere. I don't know what makes her think that. I said...."IRISH!!! IRISH!!!!".

20:17 DaemonFC; She did find a way to make me proud of my Irish ancestry, I'll give her that.

20:18 XRevan86; activelow: "the ring was cut in half by thieves"

20:18 bnchs__; well yes you are cursed

20:18 XRevan86; activelow: Human negligence.

20:18 bnchs__; your family literally makes food that could feed 5 families

20:18 XRevan86; activelow: Why does the Russian army destroy historical buildings in the cities of Ukraine?

20:18 bnchs__; and you guys eat it all

20:18 bnchs__; fatasses

20:18 XRevan86; activelow: To hide a hidden cultural secret?

20:18 DaemonFC; bnchs__, Well, I don't do that.

20:19 DaemonFC; The only time I've tended to seriously overeat was at a restaurant.

20:19 DaemonFC; They make huge portions and bring them out to you and before you know it...

20:19 bnchs__; you ate it all

20:19 DaemonFC; Or buffets. schestowitz said he doesn't like them because you tend to overeat to get your money's worth.

20:19 XRevan86; activelow: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Pietroassa_Inschrift.jpg enjoy

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20:20 XRevan86; How to read: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_Futhark#Description

20:20 TR Bot; Elder Futhark - Wikipedia

20:20 DaemonFC; Well, if it's $10.50 no matter how much you eat, it encourages you to get a couple plates and then some cake why not.

20:20 bnchs__; DaemonFC, 10.50 dollars regardless of what you eat?

20:20 DaemonFC; Yeah.

20:20 bnchs__; that's like a fatass's dream

20:21 DaemonFC; It is!

20:21 DaemonFC; Golden Corral

20:21 DaemonFC; Ron White made it part of his routine.

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20:21 DaemonFC; And the real mystery is how they make any money at all at those prices.

20:21 DaemonFC; Even for dinner they only charge $13.50, in this economy.

20:21 DaemonFC; And they throw in unlimited steak and shrimp.

20:21 bnchs__; thats why fatasses raid buffers

20:21 bnchs__; i mean buffets

20:22 DaemonFC; It is.

20:22 bnchs__; until they have nothing

20:22 DaemonFC; Oh, I've seen way worse than me going there.

20:22 bnchs__; them in mobility scooters?

20:22 DaemonFC; They put out and entire tray of fried chicken and some black woman with an ass the size and shape of two badly parked Volkswagens in a pair of spandex pants got them all.

20:23 DaemonFC; All I wanted was one piece of chicken. Had to wait on them to fry up another batch.

20:23 bnchs__; lol

20:23 DaemonFC; I heard about one guy that kept eating fish until they threw him out, up in Wisconsin.

20:23 bnchs__; just imagine a guy in a mobility scooter

20:23 bnchs__; going up to you

20:23 DaemonFC; Then when they did that, he refused to pay, got arrested, and then came back and picketed them.

20:23 bnchs__; "can i get all of that chicken please"

20:23 DaemonFC; And got arrested again.

20:24 DaemonFC; I mean, arrested twice over fish and refusing to pay his bill and leave.

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20:24 bnchs__; i wouldn't like to work at a buffet

20:25 DaemonFC; The last time I was over at the Chinese buffet, there was some black lady BRAGGING about how stingy she was with tips.

20:25 bnchs__; probably low pay and loads of fatasses

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20:25 bnchs__; it's a miracle they even have buffets

20:25 DaemonFC; "Motherfucker I just done gave you a tip two days ago! I don't always have to be tippin' yo ass!"

20:25 DaemonFC; "Here she comes, hand me two dollar!"

20:25 XRevan86; activelow: It is really strange that the language in which the inscription is written belonged to a Germanic people that was contemporary to the Roman Empire, not the Bronze Age.

20:26 XRevan86; It's so weird.

20:26 DaemonFC; bnchs__, It's not just the disgusting fatasses that saunter in every day and make a mess and then tip $2 maybe.

20:26 DaemonFC; It's that they're so fucking gross and stupid that they get into fist fights and start throwing food at each other sometimes.

20:26 DaemonFC; Seen it.

20:26 bnchs__; lol

20:26 DaemonFC; Christmas Day

20:26 DaemonFC; Chinese restaurant smackdown.

20:27 bnchs__; shoves the food in their faces

20:27 bnchs__; and leave

20:27 bnchs__; that's why you guys are so obese

20:27 DaemonFC; I'm not obese.

20:27 bnchs__; i know

20:27 bnchs__; i'm talking about america

20:27 DaemonFC; Like, people come in there and I'm like "OMG HOW ARE YOU EVEN ALIVE?"

20:28 TR News; Big Brother Gulag is already your parent, and it spies on everything you do, more so if you use the malware known as "Chrome" (propruietary) https://www.maketecheasier.com/setting-up-chrome-user-settings/

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20:28 DaemonFC; We're not talking overweight. This is way past overweight. They passed obese a few miles back. They're at Morbid Obesity.

20:28 bnchs__; yes

20:28 bnchs__; they're like people

20:28 bnchs__; who can't even stand in their 2 legs anymore

20:28 DaemonFC; Then they wonder why our healthcare costs are high.

20:28 DaemonFC; Well, if you're not going to diet and exercise, at least take your blood pressure meds so you don't stroke out.

20:29 DaemonFC; It is so much cheaper to take your meds than it is to wait as the damage piles up and eventually you're talking kidney failure, stroke, amputations.

20:29 bnchs__; they favor fatasses in social control media

20:29 DaemonFC; They all vote for Trump.

20:30 bnchs__; when you show them a skinny girl, they go "omg you straving" or "you ugly"

20:30 bnchs__; when you show them a morbidly obese mountain of lard, they go "omg yasss queen"

20:30 DaemonFC; There's also such a thing as disturbingly thin.

20:30 DaemonFC; But it's somewhat less common in America.

20:30 DaemonFC; By a factor of about 60.

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20:31 DaemonFC; I have been trying to do "something" about my sodium intake. It's not where it should be. Whose in America is?

20:31 DaemonFC; But I've been swapping out the "reduced sodium" versions of everything.

20:31 DaemonFC; Even the ketchup.

20:32 bnchs__; well

20:32 activelow; XRevan86: the Goths/Deutsch are not Romans/Latin; it is a distinct language, closer to Russian than roman/latin

20:32 DaemonFC; 30-40% less bad may still be bad, but at least you may not be talking about a disastrous level of sodium at this point.

20:32 bnchs__; DaemonFC, do they hate diets there

20:32 XRevan86; activelow: I said "contemporary", that means "existed in the same time period"

20:32 activelow; and, again, only a hypothesis of mine, it resembles archaic greek Titan era language

20:32 bnchs__; when you do diets, do they say "you're gonna strave" or some shit?

20:32 DaemonFC; Fad diets? Oh my, no. Fad diets are BIG here.

20:32 DaemonFC; Atkins and Slim Fast were the two biggest I recall.

20:33 DaemonFC; Slim Fast does work, and so does Atkins.

20:33 DaemonFC; But compliance is an issue.

20:33 DaemonFC; Slim Fast is pretty straightforward.

20:33 DaemonFC; It's just calorie control and partial liquid diet.

20:34 XRevan86; activelow: I don't want to break it to you but Latin is closer to German than Russian is.

20:34 DaemonFC; You drink one shake for breakfast, one for lunch, and eat something for dinner that doesn't exceed about 1,500 calories and most men will lose weight at a decent pace.

20:34 DaemonFC; It mostly works by causing you not to have unstable blood sugar levels until you get to dinner.

20:34 DaemonFC; Which helps with the food cravings.

20:35 DaemonFC; I've also lost weight before with "One meal per day. Anything you want. Don't exceed 2,000 calories".

20:35 DaemonFC; That's pretty easy to do.

20:35 XRevan86; activelow: Slavic languages are Satem, Romance and Germanic languages are in one Centum group.

20:35 DaemonFC; Atkins avoids carbs almost completely.

20:35 activelow; XRevan86: not with the subset of basic vocabulary

20:36 DaemonFC; Atkins is pretty compatible with gluten-free, because a lot of the substitutions made to make something gluten free also avoid the carbs.

20:36 XRevan86; activelow: Sure, cherry-pick vocabulary in such a way that confirms your narrative.

20:36 activelow; the most obvious, Odin, as both the divnity, and the Russian number 1

20:36 activelow; to begin there

20:36 DaemonFC; Like using cauliflower pizza crusts.

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20:37 XRevan86; activelow: Is "Odin" basic vocabulary now?

20:37 DaemonFC; There's also vegetarian diets. Those tend to make you lose weight because the meal is filling without being a greasy calorie bomb, usually.

20:38 XRevan86; activelow: I can't find it in the Swadesh list for some reason.

20:38 DaemonFC; But Bill Gates is working hard against that.

20:38 DaemonFC; These fake meats not only just don't taste right.

20:38 DaemonFC; But they're less nutritious and have more sodium and saturated fat than lean ground beef sometimes.

20:38 TR News; "First up this week: Most of Apples services were down yesterday (at least in some regions). For at least two hours, very little was working, including the dev site and some internal apps." https://devops.com/apple-outage-outrage-linux-random-redo-okta-hacked-or-not/

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20:39 DaemonFC; If you're on a sodium restricted diet, you can't go anywhere near Bill's Burgers.

20:39 XRevan86; activelow: Russian "" does have a German cognate, it's "ein".

20:39 DaemonFC; Burger King's Impossible Whoppers cost more. They taste pretty much like a normal burger, but they're higher in sodium, which isn't exactly good for you.

20:40 DaemonFC; Usually, when I go out to a burger place these days, I ask for the fries with no salt on them.

20:40 activelow; XRevan86: "Christianization", "Helenization" (Kyrill), besides the Wulfile Bible is attributed to eastern Europe geographically, although it is Gothic

20:40 XRevan86; activelow: By the way, Odin was earlier "Othin"

20:40 DaemonFC; That's an easy thing to cut out and they still taste pretty good.

20:40 XRevan86; activelow: P-I-E never had a "th" sound, and the whole Russian language ancestry didn't either.

20:40 DaemonFC; I still eat SPAM sometimes, but it's the less sodium SPAM.

20:41 DaemonFC; I'm married to an Asian person so soy sauce keeps coming up.

20:41 DaemonFC; The lowest sodium soy sauce I've found is Walmart's Great Value brand.

20:41 activelow; XRevan86: yes, in German language it too could be "Osdin"/Osten (east, the russian region relative to the west);

20:41 XRevan86; activelow: And here's a hint on the history of pronunciation of the name "Odin": Wednesday means "Odin's day"

20:41 DaemonFC; Kikkoman makes a lower sodium soy sauce, but it has almost as much sodium as Great Value's regular soy sauce.

20:42 activelow; Saudi(n)... it's the ones living in the south

20:42 TR News; GNOME 42 review: IS THEMING DEAD? - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=XQrIf3Rkjjs ICBM treats desktops like hypePhone now?

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20:42 DaemonFC; Canned broths are the worst for sodium. When you find cans of reduced sodium broth, they have as much sodium as the regular broth in a tetrapak, and the reduced sodium broth in the tetrapak has half of the sodium as the regular tetrapak.

20:42 DaemonFC; If you want to REALLY jack up your blood pressure, use canned broths.

20:42 XRevan86; activelow: The Germanic god Wodanaz

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20:43 TR News; "When YouTube Vanced shutdown we didn't really know why but following all the theory they have posted a write up explaining the real reason Vanced was shutdown, at least the reason they want to say." https://yewtu.be/watch?v=jNwkXMJqlR0

20:43 TR Bot; The "REAL" Reason YouTube Killed Vanced! - Invidious

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20:44 activelow; and it's plausible, if the Nebra Sky Disk is authentic, which i _believe_ it is, during bronce age already the goths navigated across the oceans and along the rivers, to trade and travel

20:44 XRevan86; activelow: Comparing modern Russian with "Odin" is just nuts.

20:44 DaemonFC; Sodium is a big cause of death in America because Americans like to eat, and processed foods contain much more sodium than needs to be in there.

20:44 DaemonFC; The processed food companies have spent years and years just adding more and more of it.

20:44 DaemonFC; And it's basically why SPAM doesn't really go bad for a very long time.

20:44 activelow; and at some time, known as "Titanomachy", when "Atlantis" was drowning in water (which i suspect was heavy snow-fall), Herkles/Herzeles and Atlas disputed who was supposed to carry the globe and the skies, which was the Nebra Sky Disk

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20:45 *XRevan86 lost interest.

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20:45 DaemonFC; Sodium jacks up diastolic blood pressure the most.

20:45 XRevan86; activelow: Your analysis is not just surface-level, it's anecdotal.

20:45 DaemonFC; Sodium is to your blood what pouring "STP oil treatment" is to a modern car engine.

20:46 DaemonFC; Just pour it in there and run the car and BOOOM!

20:46 XRevan86; "I heard that Russian has a word "odin", it must mean god "Odin" in some unfathomable stupid way"

20:46 DaemonFC; Odin is also the name of Wine for OS/2.

20:46 bnchs__; DaemonFC, just imagine this ok

20:46 bnchs__; in the future

20:47 DaemonFC; I don't think there's any technical reason why Vulkan drivers couldn't be ported to OS/2.

20:47 bnchs__; they're gonna change overweight/obese to normal

20:47 bnchs__; and today's normal to underweight

20:47 XRevan86; DaemonFC: I'm sure activelow has proof that wireless data transfer called Bluetooth is actually prehistorical.

20:47 DaemonFC; The main difference with Odin v. Wine is that Portable Executable is the native binary format of OS/2, and is a foreign binary format on UNIX.

20:47 DaemonFC; After that, the threading and process models in OS/2 are quite similar to Windows NT.

20:48 activelow; XRevan86: the "atlantis" myth is real, and the nebra sky disk is the evidence; yet it wasn't water, i think it was heavy snow fall during harsh winter season

20:48 activelow; that's why northern europe was known as "Hades", both as fertile land (Summer), and the land of the dead (Winter)

20:48 DaemonFC; <XRevan86> DaemonFC: I'm sure activelow has proof that wireless data transfer called Bluetooth is actually prehistorical.

20:49 DaemonFC; Well, Apple did introduce this well before it was ready.

20:49 DaemonFC; So it didn't actually work too well.

20:49 DaemonFC; Like the time Steve Jobs had his failed WiFi introduction.

20:49 XRevan86; DaemonFC: It was tough in the Bronze Age, Apple had to survive.

20:49 DaemonFC; Then started screaming at everyone in the room for trying to use it.

20:50 DaemonFC; Well, it's just like Apple, you know.

20:50 DaemonFC; Give you something that only begins to work after most people don't care anymore.

20:50 DaemonFC; Firewire....

20:52 activelow; the people living in southern europe didn't know prolonged harsh winter seasons, that's why, they considered "Atlantis", the original Athens of the Titan era mythology, condemned

20:52 psydruid; Even Thunderbolt is like that, but they merged most of it into USB 4 to keep it alive

20:53 DaemonFC; Atlantis had to leave Earth. It was unfortunate what happened when they encountered the Wraith.

20:53 DaemonFC; XRevan86, The best SG-1 episodes were always the ones when the Russians started fucking around with the Stargate and couldn't figure out how to fix any of the disasters they almost destroyed Earth with.

20:54 DaemonFC; Usually because they had no safety standards in place to begin with, other than maybe nerve gassing everyone on the base.

20:55 XRevan86; DaemonFC: It was ahead of its time.

20:56 DaemonFC; They tagged along with SG-1 once and nearly got everyone killed, but mostly just their whole team.

20:57 XRevan86; activelow: I don't do shrooms.

20:58 DaemonFC; Neither does he.

20:58 XRevan86; DaemonFC: What does he do?

20:58 XRevan86; Is that all natural?

20:58 DaemonFC; He has some leftover East German 49% coffee that he's been snorting during the lockdown.

20:58 DaemonFC; Nobody ever DID figure out what the rest of it was.

20:58 DaemonFC; ;)

9 PM, March 22

21:01 DaemonFC; Even with the fucking stupid politicians we have over here, we can normally buy most anything we want at the store.

21:02 DaemonFC; The whole "to each according to his needs" is where Communism keeps stumbling over and failing.

21:02 DaemonFC; Then they have to insist, at gunpoint.

21:03 DaemonFC; I don't even think that Vladimir Putin is doing whataboutisms when he brings up something that happened 30 or 40 years ago.

21:03 DaemonFC; The guy is living in the past.

21:04 DaemonFC; My mom bought a Volkswagen once and it was always in the shop and then the engine exploded at 86,000 miles (VW in any decade).

21:04 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^

21:04 DaemonFC; But it happened in 1981 and my dad was still yelling at her about it in 1995, and she asked him "When am I going to stop hearing about this?".

21:04 DaemonFC; He said, "When I think you've been punished enough.".

21:05 DaemonFC; He'd make a great Russian president I suppose.

21:05 XRevan86; > "New Chronology" is a theory of a radical revision of historical chronology, according to which the modern habitual chronology coincides with historical events only starting from the XVIII century, while in the Middle Ages there was a powerful empire of Russia-Horde, Tsar Peter I was replaced by foreigners, and Jesus Christ was born in Crimea.

21:05 XRevan86; > According to the creators of the theory, Fomenko and Nosovsky, Yaroslavl is actually the chronicle of Veliky Novgorod. Mathematicians came to this conclusion by studying the "inconsistencies" of the annals and the geography of modern Yaroslavl and Novgorod. The authors of the concept consider the official history until the 17th century to be falsified.

21:05 XRevan86; activelow: ^ This is how I classify in my mind what ye are saying.

21:05 DaemonFC; It's unclear what exactly Putin wants in Ukraine.

21:06 DaemonFC; If he tries to annex it, he'd have to divert resources away from Russia to do that with. And he probably doesn't want that.

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21:06 DaemonFC; If he tries to knock over the legitimate government and turn it back into a satellite state, the puppet regime will be universally hated, and there will have to be a long term Russian occupation to enforce the fake government, so it would be as bad as simply annexing it.

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21:07 DaemonFC; A lot of Russians are dying there, they know not why.

21:07 DaemonFC; When Ukraine rebuilds, they'll hate Russia forever.

21:07 activelow; XRevan86: evidence was systematically destroyed and falsified, one example being the Ring of Pietroassa; that's a fact.

21:07 XRevan86; activelow: Tell me they're wrong and which region of Germany Jesus Chris was born in.

21:07 DaemonFC; The Russian economy is ruined.

21:08 DaemonFC; Mission Accomplished?

21:08 activelow; XRevan86: cultural and language heritage of northern europe isn't jewish/christian/muslim

21:08 TR News; Manic couch co-op game D-Corp gets a large content update | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/manic-couch-co-op-game-d-corp-gets-a-large-content-update

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21:08 DaemonFC; All three of those tend to kill whoever was there and less warlike before.

21:09 DaemonFC; Then declares that the heritage has always been an Abrahamic religion in that region.

21:09 AdmFubar; https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-developing-embedded-64-bit-risc-v-cpu

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21:09 XRevan86; activelow: If the Ring of Pietroassa weren't damaged, ye would have found another artefact that were. It's as simple as that.

21:10 XRevan86; activelow: There is a shit-load of preserved artefacts. And a shit-load of damaged ones.

21:10 *XRevan86 imagines that activelow never broke a single thing in his life.

21:10 XRevan86; And if he did, it was systematic and intentional.

21:11 activelow; XRevan86: there isn't many artifacts nor speakers of the language remaining, in fact many artifacts (such as the golden hats presented in Nurnberg) were molten for their gold

21:11 TR News; "gron is a self-contained Go executable you can download from here on GitHub. In the UNIX tradition, gron does one thing well: it flattens JSON into a structure that's easily processed by shell tools, line by line." https://www.datafix.com.au/BASHing/2022-03-23.html

21:11 TR Bot; gron the JSON flattener

21:11 activelow; and the last remains of the language and their speakers are eradicated nowadays

21:11 XRevan86; activelow: There are plenty of artefacts.

21:12 MinceR; 22 220325 < DaemonFC> The guy is living in the past.

21:12 MinceR; he lives in a dream world

21:12 XRevan86; activelow: Maybe not of your imaginary history, but it's literally impossible for there to be unambiguous evidence for something that never existed.

21:12 MinceR; along with his followers

21:12 DaemonFC; <MinceR> he lives in a dream world

21:12 DaemonFC; Same thing.

21:12 XRevan86; activelow: There is a lot of evidence that supports normal history though.

21:12 DaemonFC; People remember the past however they want to remember it.

21:12 DaemonFC; Then they live in it.

21:12 MinceR; 22 220539 < DaemonFC> It's unclear what exactly Putin wants in Ukraine.

21:12 MinceR; map painting

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21:12 MinceR; history!

21:12 XRevan86; activelow: Actual, real chronology.

21:13 XRevan86; No Bronze Age Germans.

21:13 DaemonFC; "FBI says hackers scanned networks of US energy firms ahead of Biden's Russia cyberattack warning"

21:13 activelow; XRevan86: pre-socratic "late bronce age collapse" artifacts are very old and extremely rare, that's why it's known as the "greek dark ages"

21:13 DaemonFC; Great time for ComEd to move to Microsoft Azure.

21:13 MinceR; lol

21:13 DaemonFC; We'll see how that works out for them.

21:13 TR News; The 7 Best Networking Tools That Replace the Deprecated net-tools on Linux Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162867

21:13 TR Bot; The 7 Best Networking Tools That Replace the Deprecated net-tools on Linux | Tux Machines

21:14 SomeH4x0r; define deprecation

21:14 XRevan86; activelow: So ye use the gaps to fill them with your speculation?

21:14 SomeH4x0r; want to support activelow regarding GCC, fucking tired

21:14 SomeH4x0r; I mean as in my opinion only

21:15 XRevan86; "so yea, the Missing Link is actually aliens zapping humans with a smart ray"

21:15 TR News; Coast, a little map viewer Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162868

21:15 TR Bot; Coast, a little map viewer | Tux Machines

21:15 XRevan86; Sucks that the evolution theory is so evolved that the Missing Link is now moot.

21:15 MinceR; can't have been a particularly smart one

21:15 SomeH4x0r; why can't we fucking write code once and let it stay for decades?

21:15 MinceR; because it's "obsolete" and "unmaintained"

21:15 SomeH4x0r; a few years pass, and it refuses to build because a few libraries break

21:16 MinceR; got to integrate an email client and a web browser so you have to issue patches every month for it.

21:16 SomeH4x0r; I might write some code, but then I might die or lose my memory about it

21:16 DaemonFC; "Some Russian soldiers have gotten frostbite due to lack of appropriate gear, senior US defense official says"

21:16 SomeH4x0r; and in a few years it turns out like I did nothing

21:17 DaemonFC; Like the Nazis when they got bogged down in Russia.

21:17 TR News; It seems increasingly apparent that the corporate tech media isnt just misleading readers/viewers (audiences) by accident; theres a deliberate attempt to shift attention and shift blame, so it is in effect and in perpetuity a campaign of disinformation (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt), not just misinformation, and we must collectively confront this campaign http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/microsoft-infosec-propaganda/

21:17 TR Bot; Media Blames Free Software When Microsoft Distributes Malware and Gets Cracked | Techrights

21:17 SomeH4x0r; because no one bothers to fix that piece of code

21:19 TR News; SUSE/OpenSUSE: YaST Team Report and Openwashing by the CEO Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162869

21:19 TR Bot; SUSE/OpenSUSE: YaST Team Report and Openwashing by the CEO | Tux Machines

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21:19 *psydruid wonders where the gemini links went

21:19 SomeH4x0r; software development patterns make me feel depressed regarding the future of computing

21:19 TR News; Voice Remote = bug, listening device, malware https://www.maketecheasier.com/deal/roku-ultra-streaming-device/

21:19 TR Bot; Save $31 on a Roku Ultra Streaming Device with Voice Remote - Make Tech Easier

21:21 AdmFubar; https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/all-windows-versions-impacted-by-new-local-privilege-escalation-lpe-zero-day-vulnerability.441646/

21:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: wilderssecurity.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/all-windows-versions-impacted-by-new-local-privilege-escalation-lpe-zero-day-vulnerability.441646/

21:21 TR Bot; All Windows versions impacted by new Local Privilege Escalation (LPE) zero-day vulnerability | Wilders Security Forums

21:22 TR News; "Maximising the number of towelling-off occurrences of a single towel for the entire body." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/855

21:22 TR News; Zotero Research Tool Gets Biggest Upgrade in its History Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162870

21:22 TR Bot; Zotero Research Tool Gets Biggest Upgrade in its History | Tux Machines

21:23 kingoffrance; SomeH4x0r, i remember seeing https://semver.org/ and thinking "isnt that just how normal versioning is supposed to work?"

21:23 TR Bot; Semantic Versioning 2.0.0 | Semantic Versioning

21:23 TR News; "My young musician friend didn't realize that PayPal notifications acknowledging purchases from him would wind up revealing his real name to others. His workaround will be to tell others that's his manager's name.... :-)" gemini://midnight.pub/posts/856

21:23 SomeH4x0r; > all windows versions | not clearly defined

21:24 SomeH4x0r; "all windows versions" would mean from the very first Windows concept version (pre-1.0) to the current latest one

21:24 psydruid; windows is irrelevant and dying

21:25 TR News; #HowTo install Moshi Monsters Rewritten Desktop on Zorin OS 16 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=twGI_0ErB-s

21:25 TR Bot; How to install Moshi Monsters Rewritten Desktop on Zorin OS 16 - Invidious

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21:26 bnchs__; SomeH4x0r, it probably means all windows NT versions

21:26 TR News; Xubuntus Default Xfce Desktop Theme Greybird Gets Initial Support for GTK4 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162871

21:26 TR Bot; Xubuntus Default Xfce Desktop Theme Greybird Gets Initial Support for GTK4 | Tux Machines

21:28 AdmFubar; https://calgaryherald.com/the-logic/why-canadas-shocking-crackdown-on-the-convoy-fundraisers-continues-to-rattle-the-crypto-world

21:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: calgaryherald.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://calgaryherald.com/the-logic/why-canadas-shocking-crackdown-on-the-convoy-fundraisers-continues-to-rattle-the-crypto-world

21:28 TR Bot; Why Canada's 'shocking' crackdown on the convoy fundraisers continues to rattle the crypto world | Calgary Herald

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21:31 TR News; Weve Made It! | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/33k-posts-in-techrights/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/33k-posts-in-techrights/

21:31 TR Bot; Weve Made It! | Techrights

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21:35 DaemonFC; I like to share labs back and forth when my primary care doctor and my psychiatrist overlap, which saves me from having to have certain procedures repeated, but unfortunately due to the insane billing setup our country has, if you doctor just orders labs and doesn't state a "medically necessary" reason code, then you could end up being billed a lot when the insurance company rejects something.

21:35 DaemonFC; So sometimes I have to go get blood drawn again for an extra test, but instead of it being another 3-4 vials, it'll be one.

21:36 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Facebook owes me $397.

21:36 DaemonFC; They settled their BIPA case for $695 million dollars after trying to have it dismissed or removed to a friendlier court, and losing both motions.

21:37 DaemonFC; Then they decided after losing the BIPA case to stop using facial recognition on Facebook, at all. Because of the damages from one state law.

21:37 DaemonFC; BIPA is an unusually strong privacy law.

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21:39 bnchs__; DaemonFC, really?

21:40 bnchs__; i hope they don't remove BIPA

21:41 TR News; LibrePlanet 2014: Free Software for Freedom, Surveillance and You | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/surveillance-and-you/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/surveillance-and-you/

21:41 TR Bot; LibrePlanet 2014: Free Software for Freedom, Surveillance and You | Techrights

21:41 DaemonFC; Some companies have ceased doing business in Illinois because of the amount of money they lost.

21:42 DaemonFC; Most of them were up to no good anyway.

21:42 DaemonFC; This is the second time I got BIPA money from Facebook.

21:42 DaemonFC; They had another lawsuit where I got like $85 as my share of the settlement.

21:42 DaemonFC; Then Uber had a couple under BIPA and the TCPA.

21:43 DaemonFC; I got a couple hundred bucks from them sending spam text messages.

21:44 DaemonFC; There's a lot of companies out there that are up to no good.

21:44 DaemonFC; Usually, the settlements say they're to be split with everyone who submits a valid claim.

21:44 DaemonFC; I got some money back from Intel once.

21:45 DaemonFC; They deceptively marketed a processor that I had bought 10 years prior and I got $135, which was about what the processor cost me.

21:46 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/22/routinely-terrible-anti-piracy-company-seeks-court-order-preventing-torrentfreak-from-covering-its-terribleness/

21:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/22/routinely-terrible-anti-piracy-company-seeks-court-order-preventing-torrentfreak-from-covering-its-terribleness/

21:46 TR Bot; Terrible Anti-Piracy Company Seeks Court Order Preventing TorrentFreak From Covering Its Terribleness | Techdirt

21:47 DaemonFC; They must have gotten Matthew GOOOOOOOOLAG's attorney.

21:49 DaemonFC; What's most likely going on is they hired one of those fly by night companies that go "Are you a scumbag? Are you running a reprehensible business? Why should YOU change? We'll get negative information taken down GUARANTEED!".

21:50 TR News; Links 22/3/2022: Java 18 and LabPlot 2.9 Beta | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/java-18/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/java-18/

21:50 TR Bot; Links 22/3/2022: Java 18 and LabPlot 2.9 Beta | Techrights

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21:51 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162872

21:52 psydruid; Intel marketed its own 10-year-old CPU?

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21:52 schestowitz-TR; marked down :-)

21:52 schestowitz-TR; they still have celeron

21:52 schestowitz-TR; "we make intentionally lesser CPUs"

21:53 schestowitz-TR; for the price scheme

21:53 schestowitz-TR; business model

21:53 schestowitz-TR; make intentionally crippled CPUs

21:53 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

21:53 schestowitz-TR; and use PATENTS.... a LOT

21:53 schestowitz-TR; Intel lobbies for SOFTWARE parents

21:53 TR News; Videos: GNOME and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162873

21:54 TR Bot; Videos: GNOME and More | Tux Machines

21:54 psydruid; they have nothing else to base their business on

21:54 schestowitz-TR; same at IBM

21:54 schestowitz-TR; (fwiw)

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21:54 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162874

21:54 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

21:55 TR News; UK cases of COVID-19: still high, still killing almost 1,000 Brits per week http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/22/united-kingdom-covid/

21:55 TR Bot; Blog Archive United Kingdom: COVID-19 Patients in Hospital Highest Number in a Month, Deaths Highest in 1.5 Months, and More Than Half a Million Infected Per Week

21:57 TR News; Facebook is a scam. With fake friends and fake "likes". https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ukraine-crypto-scam/

21:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: snopes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ukraine-crypto-scam/

21:57 TR Bot; Donate to Ukraine Through This Facebook Crypto Scam | Snopes.com

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10 PM, March 22

22:04 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, https://www.pcmag.com/news/hacking-group-starts-dumping-files-allegedly-stolen-from-microsoft

22:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pcmag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.pcmag.com/news/hacking-group-starts-dumping-files-allegedly-stolen-from-microsoft

22:04 TR Bot; Group Starts Dumping Files Allegedly Stolen From Microsoft | PCMag

22:05 DaemonFC; I commented:

22:05 DaemonFC; They literally can't secure their own networks and computers and yet some people think we need their attempts at a beachhead on GNU/Linux. Simply unbelievable.

22:05 schestowitz-TR; :-D

22:05 TR News; 33,000 blog posts in Techrights is a huge accomplishment as not many sites manage to post that much and go on relentlessly (on a daily basis) for 17 years; in Gemini were about to exceed 40,000 pages http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/33k-posts-in-techrights/

22:05 TR Bot; Weve Made It! | Techrights

22:05 DaemonFC; On Monday, the LAPSUS$ gang began circulating a 10GB compressed archive that supposedly contains internal data on Microsofts Bing search engine and Bing Maps, along with the source code to the companys voice assistant software Cortana.

22:05 DaemonFC; Bing Map is 90% complete dump. Bing and Cortana around 45%, LAPSUS$ said in a post in the groups public chatroom.

22:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Surely this will be full of embarrassments if anyone makes a commentary about what's in it.

22:07 DaemonFC; Along with hiding backdoors and malware, proprietary software helps hide incompetent code. As long as it appears to work, you won't know how buggy it really is if you don't have source code.

22:08 DaemonFC; I doubt any department at Microsoft has some sort of vigorous internal review on code quality.

22:08 schestowitz-TR; nope

22:08 schestowitz-TR; it's not good "RoI"

22:08 schestowitz-TR; they skip

22:08 schestowitz-TR; and just marketing... instead

22:08 schestowitz-TR; and throw FUD at Linux

22:08 schestowitz-TR; it's "worse" or "just as bad"

22:09 schestowitz-TR; [21:17] <techrights-news> It seems increasingly apparent that the corporate tech media isnt just misleading readers/viewers (audiences) by accident; theres a deliberate attempt to shift attention and shift blame, so it is in effect and in perpetuity a campaign of disinformation (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt), not just misinformation, and we must collectively confront this campaign http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/microsoft-

22:09 schestowitz-TR; infosec-propaganda/

22:09 TR Bot; Media Blames Free Software When Microsoft Distributes Malware and Gets Cracked | Techrights

22:09 DaemonFC; Access died when I was sleeping, one of the members wrote in the groups public chat. Wouldve been a complete dump. But we were all tired.

22:09 DaemonFC; LOL

22:09 schestowitz-TR; yes, makes sense

22:09 schestowitz-TR; why would you expect windows to run OVERNIGHT?

22:10 DaemonFC; Microsoft's software crashed and ended up protecting the rest of their source code from being dumped!

22:10 DaemonFC; This is too perfect!

22:10 DaemonFC; :)

22:10 schestowitz-TR; yes, pour some slat

22:10 schestowitz-TR; on those wounds (salt)

22:10 schestowitz-TR; we need to respond to the media BS

22:11 schestowitz-TR; PCMag is Microsoft propaganda rag

22:11 schestowitz-TR; IDG

22:11 schestowitz-TR; they constantly make up for reality by doing webspam and noise

22:12 TR News; 6 Fun Linux Distros to Try if Youre a Distro Hopper Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162875

22:12 TR Bot; 6 Fun Linux Distros to Try if You're a Distro Hopper | Tux Machines

22:17 DaemonFC; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/cable-tv-companies-lost-nearly-5-million-subscribers-in-2021/

22:17 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/21/cable-tv-companies-lost-nearly-5-million-subscribers-in-2021/

22:17 TR Bot; TV Companies Lost Nearly 5 Million Subscribers in 2021 | Techdirt

22:18 DaemonFC; "That particular form of entertainment did not last much past the year 2027." -Data (Star Trek: TNG)

22:20 DaemonFC; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/big-isps-avoided-2020-law-banning-predatory-modem-rental-fees-by-simply-calling-them-something-else/

22:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/14/big-isps-avoided-2020-law-banning-predatory-modem-rental-fees-by-simply-calling-them-something-else/

22:20 TR Bot; ISPs Avoided 2020 Law Banning Predatory Modem Rental Fees By Simply Calling Them Something Else | Techdirt

22:20 DaemonFC; Well, T-Mobile's home internet is good in a couple of ways.

22:21 DaemonFC; It's cheaper than Comcast, and it includes all of the fees and taxes in the $50 a month.

22:21 DaemonFC; So you don't need to have them go "Well, yeah the SERVICE is this much, but there's also a $6 franchise fee every month, and $10 in taxes, and a $14 modem rental. And your internet bill is now $107.

22:22 DaemonFC; Whoops, you used too much data. Let's just call it $127. Yeah?

22:24 schestowitz; DaemonFC: typos? http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/vista-11-bleeding/

22:24 TR Bot; Windows is Dying Despite Vista 11 Hype | Techrights

22:26 TR News; spent on dishonest marketing</em> | Gemini address: spent on dishonest marketing</em>

22:27 TR News; Windows is Dying Despite Vista 11 Hype | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/vista-11-bleeding/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/vista-11-bleeding/

22:28 psydruid; the NT family of operating systems is going to be eradicated until only ReactOS remains

22:29 psydruid; where would that leave Microsoft?

22:29 schestowitz-TR; that's why they buy companies

22:30 schestowitz-TR; last year: we are a security company

22:30 schestowitz-TR; this year: oh, shit

22:30 bnchs__; lol

22:30 schestowitz-TR; look the other way

22:30 schestowitz-TR; LOOK< L@@@K @ Linux

22:30 bnchs__; trying to search "create file in /run"

22:30 schestowitz-TR; "dirty pipe".... "OH SNAP"

22:30 bnchs__; it's literally bringing me up windows shit

22:30 bnchs__; even though the query is related to unix-like

22:31 TR News; Development Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162857

22:31 TR Bot; Development Leftovers | Tux Machines

22:32 bnchs__; even with "create file in /run directory" it brings up window

22:32 bnchs__; windows shit

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22:35 TR News; Wait, they don't know Salesforce is racist? https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/racial_investigation_salesforce/ see http://techrights.org/2020/09/27/salesforce-works-for-ice/

22:35 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/17/racial_investigation_salesforce/

22:35 TR Bot; Activist investors want Salesforce investigated for equality The Register

22:35 TR Bot; The OSIs President Apparently Does Not Know That His Own Employer (Salesforce) Works for ICE | Techrights

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22:36 TR News; We tried the Asahi Linux alpha on an M1 Mac Mini http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162724#comment-33157

22:36 TR Bot; The first Asahi Linux Alpha Release is here! | Tux Machines

22:38 TR News; Xenotransplantation: Are pigs the future of organ transplants?

22:38 TR News; yes, I'm all for using human hearts to save pigs. I can think of some human pigs whose hearts might be of use to real pigs in need https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-60708120

22:38 TR Bot; Xenotransplantation: Are pigs the future of organ transplants? - BBC News

22:40 TR News; The whole "pig hearts" thing isn't what it seems; they genetically modify them. Sooner or later the sick, rich, greedy oligarchs will just grow extra spare humans (or close to that) for "spare parts"... in some places they do that already. A baby born any moment, to become "spare parts" of some oligarch.

22:42 TR News; Western oligarchs: "job creators".... creating more humans whose job is to give away bodyparts to ageing oligarchs. And "philanthropists"... giving loose to some hospitals that facilitate such a sick thing.

22:42 DaemonFC; Seems to be fine.

22:42 TR News; Microsoft Windows TCO https://www.technewsworld.com/story/ransomware-related-data-leaks-jump-82-in-2021-87419.html

22:43 DaemonFC; Billions wasted to continue losing marketshare.

22:43 TR Bot; Data Leaks Jump 82% in 2021 | TechNewsWorld

22:43 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: pretty much

22:43 DaemonFC; About all they do is cannibalize older versions of Windows.

22:43 schestowitz-TR; worse

22:43 schestowitz-TR; they spilt the development

22:43 schestowitz-TR; now they have two spaghetti to keep an eye on

22:43 DaemonFC; There's really not much development going on in Windows 10.

22:43 DaemonFC; They backport a few things.

22:44 DaemonFC; Windows 8.1 is on life support (security patches only).

22:44 schestowitz-TR; who uses it?

22:44 schestowitz-TR; I never saw it for real, ever

22:44 DaemonFC; Oh, like 4-5% I think.

22:44 DaemonFC; They're locked into supporting it because that's the lifecycle they said it would have when they released it.

22:45 DaemonFC; But it won't even get security patches for much longer.

22:45 DaemonFC; So it's basically dead.

22:45 TR News; OSI barely doing anything https://fossforce.com/2022/03/after-last-years-hack-osi-elects-new-board-members-without-incident/ see http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/osi-privacy-issues/

22:45 TR Bot; After Last Year's Hack, OSI Elects New Board Members Without Incident - FOSS Force

22:45 TR Bot; The OSIs Defunct Elections (Privacy Breach), Conflict of Interest (Nicholson), and Other Lingering Problems | Techrights

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22:48 DaemonFC; Windows 11 doesn't accomplish much of anything for Microsoft. It's like Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine.

22:48 DaemonFC; Nobody can quite tell what the upside of Windows 11 is for Microsoft. Probably because there isn't one.

22:49 TR News; This article makes it seem like everything started in 1991 and GNU is merely GCC, a compiler. This is gross revisionism, which helps nobody but bad faith actors. https://bytexd.com/linux-history-and-why-are-there-so-many-distros/

22:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bytexd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://bytexd.com/linux-history-and-why-are-there-so-many-distros/

22:49 TR Bot; Linux History and Why Are There So Many Distros

22:49 mimorek; droi

22:49 mimorek; oops

22:49 DaemonFC; https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/03/22/apple-hit-with-second-icloud-services-outage-in-two-days

22:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: appleinsider.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/03/22/apple-hit-with-second-icloud-services-outage-in-two-days

22:49 TR Bot; hit with second iCloud services outage in two days | AppleInsider

22:51 AdmFubar; the upside of win 11 for m$ is they really didn't have to do anything.....

22:51 TR News; "New discoveries await..." in the upcoming Inkscape 1.2 About Screen Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162877

22:51 TR Bot; "New discoveries await..." in the upcoming Inkscape 1.2 About Screen | Tux Machines

22:51 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: lol, AGAIN?

22:51 DaemonFC; AGAIN!

22:51 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: maybe mandy will even take a toilet break, for a change

22:51 AdmFubar; maybe still....

22:51 DaemonFC; Down with the Clown

22:52 schestowitz-TR; no photos... it's on "dad clown"

22:52 schestowitz-TR; "da clown"

22:53 AdmFubar; schestowitz-TR: TMI! o_O

22:56 TR News; Notable: The best open-source note-taking and Markdown editor for 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162878

22:56 TR Bot; Notable: The best open-source note-taking and Markdown editor for 2022 | Tux Machines

22:57 DaemonFC; Wine made some improvement to the look and feel of Windows applications very recently.

22:57 DaemonFC; They got rid of that really ugly Windows-9x color scheme.

22:58 TR News; The bleeding continues; Microsoft is on fire (up in flames) and Windows continues to languish in spite of billions spent on dishonest marketing http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/vista-11-bleeding/

22:58 TR Bot; Windows is Dying Despite Vista 11 Hype | Techrights

22:59 TR News; Now, with no social control media, I've not touched Konqueror in almost 3 weeks. I used it every day for years prior to it.

22:59 TR News; Prepping Your Computers For an Internet Outage Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162879

22:59 TR Bot; Prepping Your Computers For an Internet Outage | Tux Machines

22:59 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: I added the link about Apple

11 PM, March 22

23:00 DaemonFC; I tried out that Walmart+ thing on the gas station today. It worked.

23:01 DaemonFC; I've switched to E15 to run the car off of as well.

23:01 TR News; "It's far-future space opera based around an aggressive colonial empire, but follows just one character: an artificial intelligence of one of the empire's military starships." gemini://calcuode.com/gemlog/2020-12-17_ancillary-justice.gmi

23:01 TR News; "One interesting behavior of the brute-force program is that it didn't use 100% of the CPU. I found that doing various types of string concatenation caused a big slowdown." gemini://jfh.me/posts/2019-03-04-js-quine.gmi

23:02 DaemonFC; I figure the government may go ahead and mandate E15 gas.

23:02 AdmFubar; https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/21/22989563/district-of-columbia-karl-racine-grubhub-lawsuit-misleading-fees

23:02 TR Bot; DC sues Grubhub for allegedly deceptive business practices - The Verge

23:02 DaemonFC; It is something easy that we can go ahead and do without the cooperation of OPEC.

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23:04 AdmFubar; https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/22/03/22/0026221/mac-studio-storage-not-user-upgradeable-due-to-software-block?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

23:04 Alternative link; Cloudflare: slashdot.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/22/03/22/0026221/mac-studio-storage-not-user-upgradeable-due-to-software-block?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

23:04 TR Bot; Mac Studio Storage Not User-Upgradeable Due to Software Block - Slashdot

23:04 bnchs__; prepping your computers for an internet outage

23:04 DaemonFC; https://www.keloland.com/keloland-com-original/big-truck-can-take-big-bucks-to-fill-up/?ipid=promo-link-block4

23:04 TR Bot; truck can take big bucks to fill up | KELOLAND.com

23:04 bnchs__; hmmmm how

23:04 DaemonFC; Every time high gas prices get here, these idiots with the big trucks (for no reason) act like it's never happened before and was totally impossible to see coming.

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23:05 DaemonFC; GM picked a great time to sell them trucks with no Fuel Management Module.

23:05 DaemonFC; So they lose another mile per gallon. :)

23:09 DaemonFC; I don't pay a ton of attention to UK politics, but it looks like Labor just keeps finding ways to lose a ton of seats in every election for about the last decade and a half.

23:09 DaemonFC; So obviously they aren't convincing the majority of the voting public.

23:13 AdmFubar; of course it is a great time... you don't think gm doesn't have any holdings in the oil industry?

23:15 DaemonFC; Don't worry. You get a $50 rebate for not having the FMM, on a $80,000 truck.

23:15 DaemonFC; Ought to get you 20 miles, that.

23:25 activelow; some simple calculus for the math geniuses of EU finance: i lowered consumption of already low hot water and heating down another 20% in two years, yet i didn't receive any refund at all, instead this year monthly costs increased another ~5Euros:

23:25 activelow; what is the annual inflation then for energy?

23:26 activelow; yes: 10% inflation of energy prices in Germany.

23:26 schestowitz; DaemonFC: http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/lf-openwashing-services/

23:26 schestowitz; typos?

23:26 TR Bot; Linux Foundation: From Linux to Openwashing Services | Techrights

23:27 TR News; Linux Foundation: From Linux to Openwashing Services | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/lf-openwashing-services/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/22/lf-openwashing-services/

23:28 DaemonFC; <activelow> some simple calculus for the math geniuses of EU finance: i lowered consumption of already low hot water and heating down another 20% in two years, yet i didn't receive any refund at all, instead this year monthly costs increased another ~5Euros:

23:28 DaemonFC; Same thing happens here.

23:28 activelow; those 10% is slightly above average of the *real* inflation (compound interest) i had calculated for energy/food/rents/housing, normalizing against the two currency reforms, this was 30years of 8% annual inflation with compound interest

23:28 activelow; DaemonFC: in USA? no in USA energy prices are less than 50% in comparison to Germany.

23:28 schestowitz-TR; ??

23:28 schestowitz-TR; source?

23:29 activelow; schestowitz-TR: petrol stations.

23:29 DaemonFC; I meant, same trend pattern.

23:29 DaemonFC; You reduce energy consumption, they raise prices.

23:29 schestowitz-TR; you're saying equivalent of car petrol is more x2 the price in US _right now_?

23:29 DaemonFC; You end up saving nothing.

23:30 activelow; anyway, the real joke is European Central Bank and German government, who argue inflation was supposedly ~2% in the last decades; which is nowhere near the real data (given currency reforms east-mark -> west-mark -> euro obfuscated the data)

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23:31 activelow; of cause, it isn't everyon equally affected by this; particularly those who must pay rent for their flat and spend most of their income for food and energy, those are hit by the ~8% inflation

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23:32 activelow; officially, basic income and pensions compensated for inflation; in reality they don't for low-income households because their spendings for the high-inflation products: energy, food, rents

23:32 TR News; "Richard Stallman will be speaking about the free software movement and your freedom. His speech will be nontechnical, admission is gratis, and the public is encouraged to attend online." https://www.fsf.org/events/rms-20220413-online

23:32 TR Bot; Richard Stallman: The state of the free software movement Free Software Foundation Working together for free software

23:33 activelow; yet the real concern is this: if the trend continues, and i do not see how glorious EU or german government took any action yet

23:33 activelow; to cut spendings in the gigantic bureaucratic apparatus of theirs somewhere, which they probably can't anyway, because social peace

23:35 TR News; Java 18 Introduces Features to Enable New Developers http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162862#comment-33158

23:35 TR Bot; Oracle Announces Java 18 | Tux Machines

23:36 TR News; Torvalds: "So it smells like there's something bad going on in f2fs." https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CAHk-=wgsmvoJFKFWxQ2orEVUOWH1agk9iUNZ=-DFh5OXZL=Ldw@mail.gmail.com/

23:36 TR Bot; Re: [GIT PULL] f2fs for 5.18 - Linus Torvalds

23:36 MinceR; 22 222442 < psydruid> windows is irrelevant and dying

23:36 TR News; NVIDIA 510.60.02 Linux Driver Released https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/187162/en-us

23:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nvidia.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/187162/en-us

23:36 TR Bot; x64 (AMD64/EM64T) Display Driver | 510.60.02 | Linux 64-bit | NVIDIA

23:36 MinceR; unfortunately it laid its eggs in Linux and GNU

23:36 TR News; GNU Parallel 20220322 () Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162880

23:36 TR Bot; GNU Parallel 20220322 ('') | Tux Machines

23:37 TR News; The Linux Foundations about page 13 years ago (compared to this) tells a very different story about what its for http://techrights.org/2022/03/22/lf-openwashing-services/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Linux_Foundation

23:37 TR Bot; Linux Foundation: From Linux to Openwashing Services | Techrights

23:37 TR Bot; Linux Foundation - Techrights

23:38 TR News; EFF: "How to Make Every Media With Free & Open-Source Software...Online via Zoom". LOL. https://www.eff.org/event/how-make-every-media-free-open-source-software

23:38 TR Bot; How to Make Every Media With Free & Open-Source Software | Electronic Frontier Foundation

23:39 TR News; Does only Russia have "Oligarchs"? Do they magically become "job creators" and "philanthropists" the moment they're naturalised American citizens? https://news.artnet.com/art-world/art-industry-news-march-14-2022-2084620

23:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: artnet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.artnet.com/art-world/art-industry-news-march-14-2022-2084620

23:39 TR Bot; Art Industry News: How Russian Oligarchs Helped Larry Gagosian Build His Gallery Empire + Other Stories

23:40 TR News; "So this is just my functionally paranoid (the motto of OpenBSD, by the way) estimate of where things are. Ill describe two problems, one of which I call the trumpet problem, and the other is plain theft." https://ricochet.com/1207673/how-to-exfil-everything/

23:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ricochet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ricochet.com/1207673/how-to-exfil-everything/

23:40 TR Bot; to Exfil Everything Ricochet

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23:54 TR News; mozilla: Mozilla set to add AV1 video codec support to the Firefox browser - Times of India https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/mozilla-decides-to-add-av1-video-codec-support-to-the-firefox-browser/articleshow/90350833.cms patent trap

23:54 TR Bot; mozilla: Mozilla set to add AV1 video codec support to the Firefox browser - Times of India

23:56 TR News; "The LAMP tech stack is known to be the classic of stacks. It has been popular because it offers technologies that allow you to build web apps in a fast and stable manner." https://www.benzinga.com/opinion/22/03/26189633/tech-stack-what-is-it-and-how-to-choose-the-right-one-for-your-web-app-project

23:56 Alternative link; Cloudflare: benzinga.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.benzinga.com/opinion/22/03/26189633/tech-stack-what-is-it-and-how-to-choose-the-right-one-for-your-web-app-project

23:56 TR Bot; Stack: What Is It And How To Choose The Right One For Your Web App Project? | Benzinga

23:58 TR News; "To validate words, it uses the GNU aspell Hindi dictionary. As such, the source code for Shabdle is licensed under GPLv2. The puzzle and keyboard are typeset in Laila by Indian Type Foundry." https://www.news18.com/news/tech/wordle-game-in-hindi-try-shabdle-hindi-word-guessing-game-and-how-to-play-4896923.html GPLv2 in 2022? GPLv3 out 15 years ago.

23:58 TR Bot; Wordle Game In Hindi: Try Shabdle Hindi Word Guessing Game And How to Play

23:59 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162881

23:59 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

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