IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, July 21, 2022
beginning of new day, July 21
00:00 DaemonFC; Man, they really do start younger and younger, don't they?
00:00 DaemonFC; A four year old shooting at the police. FOUR!
00:01 DaemonFC; My cousin's kid is 6 and he's still running around the house playing with toys shouting to everyone that he made a big boy poop. Meanwhile, in Chicago, they're fucking 4 and smoking crack and shooting at cops.
00:01 DaemonFC; People wonder why I hate it here.
00:03 britney; lol
00:03 britney; Haven't you ever seen Robocop 2?
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00:08 britney; I wonder how many reptilians program in python
00:08 DaemonFC; Those just got worse and worse.
00:12 DaemonFC; britney, I'm taking the 2008 Minnesota election as proof that there are lizard people.
00:12 DaemonFC; In awarding Al Franken the contested ballot, the judge admitted that lizard people are real and Al Franken is one of them.
00:13 DaemonFC; By simple deductive reasoning that Norm Coleman didn't get the ballot, we can conclude that Coleman isn't a lizard person.
00:13 DaemonFC; Therefore, there's a way to flush out the lizard people.
00:14 DaemonFC; In every election on the ballot that has a Write-In candidate, we need to either start a Write-In campaign to put "Lizard Person" in the space provided and then checkmark all of the listed candidates.
00:15 DaemonFC; Then we force a recount and see which "person" the judge awards the ballot to, and they're the Lizard Person, because the law says the intent of the voter is what should prevail.
00:15 DaemonFC; MinceR, ^
00:15 britney; DaemonFC, fair enough
00:16 DaemonFC; Only one person needs to have put "Lizard Person" in order to contest the ballot during a recount and see how the judge rules.
00:16 britney; I think there are two major factors in lizard people
00:16 britney; global warming - reptilians want it warm
00:17 britney; eating bugs - the world economic forum is now promoting bugs to eat
00:17 britney; reptiles like bugs
00:17 DaemonFC; In a Ranked Choice Voting system, like Maine's, you could vote Lizard Person, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian.......or is that Lizardtarian?
00:17 DaemonFC; We'll just have to see who they award it to.
00:17 britney; https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/reptilian-agenda.html
00:17 MinceR; 21 011241 < DaemonFC> In awarding Al Franken the contested ballot, the judge admitted that lizard people are real and Al Franken is one of them.
00:17 MinceR; i wonder how that works
00:18 britney; Roy's bot is still broken lol
00:18 MinceR; if there were two votes for two different people, even with one of them crossed out, it would have been an invalid vote, but since both votes are for the same person, it counts?
00:19 MinceR; Lizardarian... wait, no, that's someone who eats lizards
00:19 britney; schestowitz-TR, i broke TechrightsBot-tr
00:20 britney; https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/schwab-crickets.jpg
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00:28 MinceR; (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/QXe7xiF
00:35 britney; you're going to eat the crickets because our reptilian overlords say they're delicious
00:41 britney; https://www.cricketflours.com/
00:46 *psydroid2 sends giant frogs after the lizards at the WEF
00:49 psydroid2; Beelzebufo will rule them all
00:49 bagira; are those gay frogs though?
00:50 DaemonFC; <MinceR> if there were two votes for two different people, even with one of them crossed out, it would have been an invalid vote, but since both votes are for the same person, it counts?
00:52 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPs3EeRyL9Y
00:52 britney; its either a vote for a hive mind neanderthaller backed candidate or a reptilian one
00:52 *SomeH4x0r is now known as techuser
00:52 britney; both play humanity like a giant game of chess
00:52 DaemonFC; Two votes plus Lizard People = Whoever the judge awards it to is a Lizard Person / One Vote Plus Lizard People = If judge decides it's valid, that means the person who gets it is a Lizard Person / Lizard Peopls plus three votes = The person who got the vote is a Lizard Person, but we can't rule out the other two either. / Lizard People plus multiple votes and judge throws it out....Nobody gets the vote, but none of them are Lizard People.
00:52 MinceR; britney: how do i vote for Cthulhu?
00:53 britney; MinceR, write it in
00:53 MinceR; DaemonFC: what's the legal principle behind all this?
00:53 DaemonFC; Intent of the voter, plus the fact that the judge is definitely a lizard person but is bound by Admiralty Law due to the courts being replaced by the Corporate State.
00:53 DaemonFC; Or so I'm told.
00:54 DaemonFC; So the judge definitely knows which one is the Lizard.
00:55 DaemonFC; They don't allow non-Lizard judges. In fact, if you ever hire an Attorney, he's a Lizard too. That's why you don't understand a thing they're talking about up there. They say it's Latin, but that's only because Latin is a corrupt form of the Lizard Language. The people in the Roman Empire were given their civilization by the Lizards.
00:56 DaemonFC; They only lost it when the Lizard People went into the Lizard Schism.
00:56 MinceR; DaemonFC: what's the rule on voting for multiple people at the same time?
00:56 DaemonFC; That's why Rome fell, but the schools don't teach history.
00:56 DaemonFC; <MinceR> DaemonFC: what's the rule on voting for multiple people at the same time?
00:57 DaemonFC; Legally, it spoils the ballot unless the voter's clear preference can be unambiguously determined. So if you also say you want the Lizard People, then your intent can be determined.
00:57 britney; history = his story, or hi story
00:57 MinceR; DaemonFC: i see
00:57 *MinceR goes to learn some lizardry
00:58 DaemonFC; Donald Trump was overthrown before he could unmask who the pedophiles and Lizard people were. It turned out that Mike Pence was a pedophile lizard and that that's why people wanted to hang him.
00:58 MinceR; Lizard People + 3 votes can get thrown out even if more than 1 of those people is a lizard
00:58 MinceR; since it's ambiguous (you wanted Lizard People, but which?)
00:59 MinceR; also... They're taking the DMT to Isengard!
00:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
00:59 DaemonFC; Ah, yes, that would be a spoiled ballot.
00:59 DaemonFC; But could you slip in that the judge's preferred Lizard candidate should get the ballot?
00:59 DaemonFC; :)
1 AM, July 21
01:00 DaemonFC; Or that you don't mind which Lizard Person gets it as long as it's a Lizard Person?
01:00 MinceR; i don't think your system has that option
01:00 DaemonFC; I don't know if you ever run out of space to type.
01:00 DaemonFC; You could type in Lizard People, because there's definitely names with that many letters in them.
01:04 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/07/20/1105843501/electoral-count-act-changes-pence-january-6th
01:08 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/07/19/1112335543/netflix-second-quarter
01:08 DaemonFC; LOL
01:08 DaemonFC; "Netflix loses nearly 1 million subscribers. That's the good news"
01:09 DaemonFC; https://www.npr.org/2022/07/19/1112318803/uk-100-degree-heat-dangerous
01:09 DaemonFC; It's fitting that the heat wave affects the UK.
01:10 DaemonFC; The English speaking world has the lowest level of scientific literacy, it seems. Enough carrot.
01:12 MinceR; i do not carrot all.
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01:13 bagira; what is a "mentally compromised state"
01:14 bagira; is that drugs
01:14 bagira; not that it would matter
01:16 MinceR; DaemonFC: "The first lizard person appearing on the list above"
01:50 DaemonFC; I got a stubborn Web site to work by setting a domain-specific User Agent for it and saying SeaMonkey was Safari on an iPad.
01:52 earthling; what's why W3C standards are good
01:52 earthling; can't just say it's HTML4 Loose capable, and expect it loaded
01:54 MinceR; they're not good
01:54 MinceR; HTML5 promotes nonfree codecs and includes support for DRM
01:55 earthling; WASM
01:55 earthling; w3m|links|lynx are still capable and a joy to use
01:55 britney; I love lynx
01:56 earthling; takes some time to adapt back to sanity, after decades of mental torture
01:56 earthling; didn't use any modern browser almost 2 years now
01:57 earthling; while ago, migrated to netsurf, then backed down further, 6months now w3m/links/lynx
01:58 earthling; it's a bliss, particularly with gentoo, the browser malware from google/micros~1/moz removed alone saves hours and weeks of work and compilation time
01:58 britney; mozilla is malware?
01:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
01:59 earthling; Webkit/Epiphany which FSF promotes too is malware, all of it... chromium, moz, webkit
01:59 britney; how is it malware?
01:59 earthling; and those offer a malware execution runtime on top, with wasm
2 AM, July 21
02:00 earthling; because it meets the definition of malware 100%
02:00 earthling; including Epiphane which FSF promotes, shame on them
02:00 earthling; *Epiphany
02:00 britney; what is your definition of malware?
02:01 earthling; it is pure malice, don't know where to begin
02:01 britney; ok
02:01 earthling; first, it is impossible to review the monstrosity
02:02 britney; im guessing your definition of malware is, doesn't run on a pentium4 or less ?
02:02 earthling; chromium, how much is it, the source bundle... more than 1GiB of crap delivered once or twice a week
02:02 britney; I use firefox and brave
02:02 earthling; it is impossible to review, regardless of if a pentium4 could run it or not
02:02 earthling; and a pentium4 can btw.
02:02 britney; do you actually review the code of all the software you run?
02:03 earthling; furthermore, _all_ those "browsers" in fact are nowadays a runtime, mostly for malicious code, unverifiable loaded onto the users computer
02:03 earthling; it is pure evil
02:03 earthling; btw. it is GNOME/Epiphany, althoug i do not distinguish gnome/fsf/gnu
02:04 earthling; i would stuff them into a sack all at once, zip it, and grab a baton to beat
02:04 earthling; impossible to hit anyone errornously inside
02:04 britney; ok so we know you use w3m/links/lynx but what about irc client and mail client?
02:05 earthling; mutt mailer seems decent
02:05 earthling; and there is other options available
02:05 earthling; with irc i prefer catgirl
02:05 earthling; i think weechat and irssi linked against Glib and similar... no thanks
02:05 britney; yeah, my favourite text based e-mail client is alpine but I still use claws-mail because I prefer GUI based apps
02:06 earthling; i would have wanted to keep GTK, yet decided with the harfbuzz dependency chain a red line again was crossed by some other entities inside the sack of freedom to beat onto
02:06 earthling; redhat,google,facebook
02:08 earthling; GTK is missing standardization, and with GTK4 ahead i decided away with it once and for all
02:09 earthling; initially, i didn't intend to wipe Glib for example
02:09 earthling; yet when i realizded GNU/FSF/Gnome promote pure evil such as webkit/epiphany
02:10 earthling; hey why not, simply check the origin, GNU/FSF license banner somewhere... away with it
02:10 britney; I'd rather use Gnome than KDE
02:10 britney; earthling, what are you using for a GUI?
02:10 earthling; yaft and dvtm terminal multiplexer
02:11 earthling; i would accept X11 and motif widget toolkit still, yet there isn't any benefit with those anymore
02:12 earthling; if anyone was interested in repairing the netsurf-motif port to gentoo/linux prepared... that could be one candidate to reconsider X11 and motif at least
02:12 britney; wait a second
02:12 britney; you don't use XORG, X11 or Wayland?
02:12 earthling; with X11, jwm window manager was ok, as far as dependencies were concerned
02:12 earthling; britney: none of it, yes.
02:12 britney; oh wow, you're hardcore
02:12 earthling; although, i would accept X11/motif/jwm
02:13 earthling; GNOME however is pure evil
02:13 earthling; it wasn't, yet it has become
02:13 britney; how is gnome "pure evil"
02:13 earthling; harfbuzz/c++, and systemd/dbus
02:14 earthling; X11 with jwm isn't that bad, although Xorg too was affected by some systemd clutter (evdev, and who knows what else)
02:15 earthling; i still got the 100% clean no-systemd/no-udev/no-dbus X11/GTK profile archived
02:15 earthling; no other distro got that
02:15 earthling; however, i am not willing to maintain pentagon malware
02:16 britney; how is the pentagon involved in udev and dbus?
02:16 britney; i can understand why people don't like systemd but what does udev and dbus fit into this
02:16 MinceR; gnome has the MICROS~1 attitude >> https://imgur.com/pYuj8tW
02:16 earthling; attention, besides technical facts, this is my opinion: systemd/dbus are a spyware middleware infrastructure
02:18 earthling; brought to you by and promoted with FSF/GNU label, or am i mistaken about this "minor" little detail?
02:18 earthling; and even if, there is good arguments to be made, for LAWFUL INTERCEPTION
02:18 earthling; nonetheless, the entire technical design and implementation of this spyware isn't in compliance
02:18 britney; I think it is insane that gnome removed the system tray icons
02:19 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], The review of how SeaMonkey is doing is turning into a really long post.
02:19 DaemonFC; It's clearly not doing well these days.
02:20 psydruid; what would be totally cool is gnome removing itself
02:20 psydruid; that would be the sanest thing they've ever done
02:20 DaemonFC; You can make it work, but doing so generally requires advanced knowledge of how to set up a Mozilla-based browser, including creating about:config strings, modifying advanced settings, and looking for "legacy" versions of extensions that will still install and go ahead and work.
02:21 earthling; with seamonkey you'll need even more vile crap to compile this at least, because rust, llvm
02:22 earthling; which is insane amounts of source text impossible to review, maintain, or at least compile in a reasonable time
02:22 earthling; or, you're going to tell me "free software" and "opensource" weren't supposed to be reviewed and compiled from source?
02:24 earthling; of cause i am not willing to review everything, i only verify if it would be possible at least to dig into source text with an acceptable amount of effort and time
02:25 earthling; some years ago, FSF/GNU too promoted mozilla malware
02:25 britney; earthling, are you saying that you've read the source code for w3m/links/lynx ?
02:25 earthling; i had to dig into all three of those for one or another reason
02:25 earthling; withy lynx some security advisory cought my attention, with w3m i had some problem with gpm/mouse support etc...
02:26 britney; mouse support without X11?
02:26 earthling; with links it's still there
02:27 earthling; for w3m i hacked some mouse cursor and paste-buffer into yaft
02:27 britney; you have some pretty extreme views
02:27 DaemonFC; It seems that as of 2012, SeaMonkey isn't even a part of Mozilla anymore.
02:27 DaemonFC; It's a German non-profit.
02:27 earthling; just some random tasks, which are useful to see, what source text of "free software" is made of
02:28 britney; DaemonFC, why are you running SeaMonkey?
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02:29 britney; ok lol
02:29 earthling; i quit with maintaining an outdated seamonkey version when it didn't compile anymore, the build system of it alone is a horror show
02:29 earthling; a nightmare
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02:29 DaemonFC; Why not?
02:30 DaemonFC; Yeah, I noticed Ubuntu dropped SeaMonkey years ago.
02:30 britney; why not firefox?
02:30 DaemonFC; I was going to mention that in my blog.
02:30 DaemonFC; I installed it because I noticed Fedora still packages it.
02:30 britney; SeaMonkey reminds me of Netscape 6
02:34 bagira; re: peter todd case, first filing eval did not go well, not seeing vindication yet: https://www.abuseonline.org/database/Garrett,%20Matthew/controversial/Reichwein,%20Sarah%20Michelle/starting_notes
02:34 britney; DaemonFC, we both use the same version of hexchat
02:34 bagira; im eager to get to the defense filings
02:34 DaemonFC; I noticed.
02:35 britney; DaemonFC, my kernel is slightly newer than yours
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02:45 britney; earthling, have you considered the enlightenment desktop?
02:47 britney; fvwm95 might be cool too
02:48 TR News; AuraGem Search Update gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220720_search.gmi
02:49 TR News; "Documents have many positive aspects and forcing people to use an app (anything with Javascript) means that almost always the experience degrades: less accessibility, less freedom in layout, theming, archiving, printing, navigation, and so on." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-07-20%20What%20about%20Javascript%3F
02:49 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/cheetahs/D649.jpg
02:50 TR News; D298
02:50 TR News; [cat] gemini://nytpu.com/sneps/D298.jpg
02:50 TR News; Neptunalia: X Kalends August Neptunalia: X Kalends August
02:51 earthling; britney: no
02:51 TR News; "Lucky and charitable readers of Max Stirner will remember that first moment in which they grasped (or felt as though they had grasped) Stirner's process of inquiry, that feeling of complete exhilaration that comes from one's first sustained encounter with Der Einzige und sein Eigentum." gemini://fawn.garden/log/Note_on_Stirner.gmi
02:52 earthling; i did review various, for a long time enjoyed i3 window manager, until i removed all c++ and there was something hit with it (cmake i think)
02:52 TR News; The Beagles of Envigo gemini://fawn.garden/log/The_Beagles_of_Envigo.gmi
02:52 britney; c++ is trash
02:52 britney; i can't blame you there
02:52 earthling; jwm was the easiest to configure, small, efficient, good enough
02:52 earthling; until i too wiped entire X11
02:53 earthling; simply because there wasn't any program remaining which required it and passed my acceptance criteria
02:53 TR News; Hello World, Hello Geminispace! gemini://gmi.derschwarzestrahler.at/en/gemlog/hello_world.gmi
02:53 earthling; what is X11 useful for, if GTK and QT are gone?
02:53 britney; jwm looks kinda cool
02:53 earthling; it is clean as far as i can tell.
02:54 TR News; AuraGem's Go Code for Converting Gemsub Feed to Atom gemini://auragem.space/devlog/20220720.gmi
02:54 britney; X11 is useful for running multiple terminal windows at a high resolution
02:54 earthling; i do this with yaft and dvtm now
02:55 britney; how do you use facebook?
02:55 earthling; never used it
02:55 britney; so you don't have any friends in real life?
02:55 earthling; never used any android/iphone/tablet, never in my life, not once
02:56 TR News; "Stephano Cetola, Director of Technical Programs for RISC-V International, returns to bring Doc Searls and Jonathan Bennett up to speed on the many new developments in and around RISC-V's radically open and promising CPU architecture." https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/690
02:56 britney; is your computer a raspi zero w?
02:56 earthling; no, it is a rock64
02:56 britney; oh nice
02:56 TR News; How to install WPS Office 2019 on Pop!_OS 22.04 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xgNmyGYmv2c | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/xgNmyGYmv2c
02:57 TR News; Google Migrated 100k PCs To Rolling Release Debian - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IIRWetN7Zno | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/IIRWetN7Zno
02:57 earthling; i would prefer a j-core turtle board or similar, none available anywhere
02:57 TR News; LHS Episode #475: The Weekender XCIV | Linux in the Ham Shack https://lhspodcast.info/2022/07/lhs-episode-475-the-weekender-xciv-2/ Source: lhspodcast | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lhspodcast.info/2022/07/lhs-episode-475-the-weekender-xciv-2/
02:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.48 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.21 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
02:59 britney; you had dark mode before dark mode became cool
02:59 MinceR; everyone had it
3 AM, July 21
03:00 MinceR; remember VT100-s? :>
03:00 britney; im not that old
03:01 britney; im not over 40 yet
03:01 earthling; vector graphics support inside terminal... it existed, long time ago
03:02 earthling; considering this, templeos is rather capable, with it's embedded vector graphics, animated even
03:02 britney; Temple OS was made by a lunatic though
03:02 earthling; there isn't any other terminal which could do this, i don't know any
03:02 earthling; animated vector graphics on the command line
03:03 britney; I wonder if you could enjoy https://www.vitanuova.com/inferno/
03:03 britney; its what used to be plan9
03:03 earthling; read about it, didn't follow the track
03:05 earthling; often, it is supported hardware, or lack thereof
03:05 earthling; same with minix, beagleboard and similar
03:05 earthling; there's is always something wrong with it
03:05 IPFS; Gemini requests since start of month: 211903 total Total number of pages in capsule: 41774 Active: active (running) since Fri 2022-05-27 10:17:06 BST; 1 months 24 days ago
03:06 britney; i wouldn't try to use one of those systems as my desktop
03:06 earthling; in the end, if and once i depart from linux, which i will, chances are i remain 100% offline, no internet, and gigatron or z80 to hack with
03:06 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 9.6 MB TotalOut: 1.9 MB
03:07 earthling; i mean, there isn't any web browser remaining anymore, either opensource or free or not, which i would accept
03:07 TR News; Waterfox is covertly owned by a surveillance company; better not to install it https://unixcop.com/how-to-install-waterfox-browser-on-ubuntu-20-04-22-04-lts/
03:07 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.
03:08 earthling; so, situation is this: no online banking, no online job placement, no online shops
03:08 earthling; it's all wrecked
03:09 MinceR; TempleOS is not capable of protecting itself from bugs in applications
03:09 IPFS; QmQpoFyQcBb3KsKSZ3VzsMZsMmgcTqXq1zThATBh2bp3Yp
03:09 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.
03:11 TR News; GNU
03:11 TR News; It's proprietary, it's spyware, it's controlled by Microsoft, which attacks GNU/Linux https://www.makeuseof.com/how-to-install-visual-studio-code-ubuntu/
03:12 schestowitz[TR2]; earthling: the browser situation is bad
03:12 schestowitz[TR2]; for ecommrce only a few are accepted
03:12 schestowitz[TR2]; and they're based on the same 2 or maybe 3 models
03:13 TR News; Microsoft propagandist Davey Winder... beware Chrome... but never mind back doors in Windows https://www.forbes.com/sites/daveywinder/2022/07/20/google-sees-double-as-chrome-security-update-2-arrives-for-windows-mac--linux/
03:14 britney; schestowitz[TR2], hes running an all text desktop
03:14 TR News; Why would Sean Michael Kerner help the listening devices agenda? THESE DEVICES SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST. https://venturebeat.com/2022/07/20/amazon-extends-alexa-to-enable-ambient-intelligence/
03:15 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows/Videos: Linux in the Ham Shack, FLOSS Weekly, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167470
03:15 earthling; yaft offers a pixel buffer, sixel support, and extended unicode glyph support
03:15 earthling; and i kept libsdl1+fbcon, for some other things
03:16 TR News; 1 Billion Flux Downloads Show GitOps Gaining Ground - Container Journal https://containerjournal.com/features/1-billion-flux-downloads-show-gitops-gaining-ground/ Source: containerjournal | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//containerjournal.com/features/1-billion-flux-downloads-show-gitops-gaining-ground/
03:16 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167471
03:16 britney; earthling, can you watch video files?
03:17 TR News; I dont know who uses my code | daniel.haxx.se https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/07/21/i-dont-know-who-uses-my-code/ Source: daniel | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/07/21/i-dont-know-who-uses-my-code/
03:17 TR News; lockdown: Fix kexec lockdown bypass with ima policy https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=543ce63b664e2c2f9533d089a4664b559c3e6b5b
03:18 earthling; britney: of cause
03:18 britney; I have my laptop connected to a TV and I pretty much have VLC playing something whenever I'm awake
03:19 earthling; mplayer-1.4 with libsdl1+fbcon... it's ok
03:19 britney; thats cool
03:19 earthling; and i got some cheapo hdmi grabber to grab hdmi
03:19 britney; its pretty admirable that you can live your life in text based terminals but i could never do it
03:20 earthling; well, web browsers are wrecked anyway, and some other software i would have wanted is gone too
03:20 earthling; such as GIMP for example
03:20 TR News; unintentional concurrency -- wingolog https://wingolog.org/archives/2022/07/20/unintentional-concurrency Source: wingolog | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//wingolog.org/archives/2022/07/20/unintentional-concurrency
03:20 britney; here i am looking at my system usage and my gnome desktop + apps are using 4.8GB ram
03:21 earthling; currently it is 220MiB RAM total; with some proxies running, irc, NFS server, w3m browser
03:22 britney; thats pretty sweet
03:22 TR News; Playing record covers instead of the vinyl | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/playing-record-covers-instead-of-the-vinyl/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/playing-record-covers-instead-of-the-vinyl/
03:22 earthling; yes, best part is this: i compile all software from source, on a rock64, with 5watts power draw
03:22 britney; I remember the days where you could have win2k run on 64MB ram
03:23 earthling; the entire distro requires ~12hours to compile, ~700packages with the typical httpd/smtpd/proxy/router whatever fun
03:23 britney; gentoo?
03:23 TR News; Build your own multi-function digital measuring wheel with Arduino | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/20/build-your-own-multi-function-digital-measuring-wheel-with-arduino/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/20/build-your-own-multi-function-digital-measuring-wheel-with-arduino/
03:23 earthling; yes
03:23 britney; im surprised you're using so much ram too
03:24 TR News; A 3D-printed CNC mill made from scratch | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/20/a-3d-printed-cnc-mill-made-from-scratch/ Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/20/a-3d-printed-cnc-mill-made-from-scratch/
03:24 earthling; ram usage when starting dmux is 32MiB total, that's ok
03:24 earthling; and a modern linux kernel simply requires a little more
03:24 earthling; kernel image size is 11MiB total, and i cannot shrink this down further
03:25 earthling; it's good enough, for some tinier embedded systems
03:25 TR News; More publicity for EasyOS https://bkhome.org/news/202207/more-publicity-for-easyos.html Source: bkhome | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bkhome.org/news/202207/more-publicity-for-easyos.html
03:26 TR News; Proposed 32-bit EasyOS shelved https://bkhome.org/news/202207/proposed-32-bit-easyos-shelved.html Source: bkhome | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bkhome.org/news/202207/proposed-32-bit-easyos-shelved.html
03:27 britney; i wish firefox wasn't so bloated
03:27 TR News; "I hit the ground running and I haven't stopped since. Got a deadline for a new computer lab rollout that I need to finish -- I think it's going fine, actually, it's just a lot -- and with training in between April and now, everything has been A Lot. Also, Gemini's port being blocked at work hasn't helped at all." gemini://officialdonut.smol.pub/1658337466
03:27 schestowitz[TR2]; <britney> i wish firefox wasn't so bloated
03:27 schestowitz[TR2]; thew www is bloatyed
03:27 schestowitz[TR2]; and requires bloated brioserss
03:27 britney; im using brave too, its even more bloated than firefox
03:27 schestowitz[TR2]; *browsers
03:27 bagira; ohhhh they didn't get the case thrown out they SETTLED
03:27 britney; oh touche
03:28 britney; lynx isn't too bloated but then again it doesn't support javascript
03:28 schestowitz[TR2]; brave is chromium with "stuff" on top
03:28 earthling; lynx got something better: gopher ;)
03:28 britney; gopher is alright
03:28 britney; gemini is aiming to replace it
03:29 britney; lagrange is a nice gemini browser, its my fav so far
03:29 TR News; It's Time to Say Goodbye to These Obsolete Python Libraries | Martin Heinz | Personal Website & Blog https://martinheinz.dev/blog/77 Source: martinheinz | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//martinheinz.dev/blog/77
03:29 earthling; i wouldn't say it is a design flaw, nonetheless it is a problem with gemini: SSL/TLS
03:30 britney; because it supports SSL/TLS or because it doesn't?
03:30 earthling; because SSL/TLS are awful
03:30 TR News; "Between 2022-07-14 and 2022-07-20 there were 23 New Steam games released with Native Linux clients. For reference, during the same time, there were 251 games released for Windows on Steam, so the Linux versions represent about 9.2 % of total released titles. Heres a quick pick of the most interesting ones..." https://boilingsteam.com/new-steam-games-native-linux-2022-07-20/
03:31 britney; gotta encrypt the communication from the server to the browser
03:31 earthling; they're breaking the api regularly...
03:31 earthling; and call it "standard"
03:31 britney; i like lynx but i also like graphics
03:32 britney; how are you supposed to look at memes with lynx :(
03:32 TR News; Get started making your own brush presets! | Krita https://krita.org/en/item/get-started-making-your-own-brush-presets/ Source: krita | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//krita.org/en/item/get-started-making-your-own-brush-presets/
03:33 TR News; Second Krita Animation by Twinimation Studios | Krita https://krita.org/en/item/second-krita-animation-by-twinimation-studios/ Source: krita | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//krita.org/en/item/second-krita-animation-by-twinimation-studios/
03:33 earthling; w3m and links can render images just fine
03:33 earthling; links requires linux-fbcon for this
03:34 earthling; and w3m got both: sixel support and linux-fbcon
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03:34 TR News; Continued cyber activity in Eastern Europe observed by TAG https://blog.google/threat-analysis-group/continued-cyber-activity-in-eastern-europe-observed-by-tag/ Gulag founder born in Moscow...
03:36 TR News; Mabox 22.07 is out https://blog.maboxlinux.org/
03:37 TR News; Complete Guide? Hardly. https://linuxsecurity.com/features/complete-guide-to-vulnerability-basics
03:37 TR News; Weekly Virtual Machines, with Build Scripts | Kali Linux Blog https://www.kali.org/blog/kali-vm-builder-weekly/ Source: kali | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.kali.org/blog/kali-vm-builder-weekly/
03:38 TR News; TSMC: Life Is A Beach, And Then You Make Dies https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/20/tsmc-life-is-a-beach-and-then-you-make-dies/ Source: nextplatform | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/20/tsmc-life-is-a-beach-and-then-you-make-dies/
03:39 TR News; Sorting Subroutine Results | Tom Wyant [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/tom_wyant/2022/07/sorting-subroutine-results.html Source: perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/tom_wyant/2022/07/sorting-subroutine-results.html
03:43 MinceR; 21 042817 < schestowitz[TR2]> brave is chromium with "stuff" on top
03:43 MinceR; "stuff" includes a faster adblocker that gets around google's meddling :>
03:43 TR News; "bringing Linux applications to the forefront of the Web3 revolution." LOL "Web3 revolution" https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2022/07/20/2482367/0/en/Web-Development-and-Game-Companies-Are-Booking-Groundbreaking-Results-On-Cartesi-s-Blockchain-OS.html
03:44 TR News; Cloooown computing? http://www.desertnews.com/news/article_b6073bbe-086a-11ed-9e02-cfaf48431834.html
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03:52 TR News; Rocky Linux 9.0 rocks new build system - ARN http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167237#comment-34398
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03:54 TR News; Arduino Projects: CNC, Measurements, and CDs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167472
03:54 britney; MinceR, brave is also kind of a kitchen sink cuz it also has crypto wallets and other things
03:54 MinceR; yeah
03:55 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167473
03:55 MinceR; and who knows how much of google's spyware they've really managed to remove
03:55 MinceR; the state of the web is horrifying
03:55 britney; MinceR, is firefox safe to use?
03:55 MinceR; i wouldn't trust it
03:56 MinceR; especially since mozilla tried to use failfox to force poetteringaudio on users
03:57 TR News; We'll charge you lots of extra money for flag and glitter https://puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-on-the-librem-5-usa/
03:58 britney; I miss newsgroups
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03:58 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
03:58 britney; https://go.dev/dl/go1.18.4.linux-amd64.tar.gz
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03:58 britney; LOL
03:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 130.06
03:59 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167474
03:59 britney; so i really did crash it
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03:59 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
03:59 britney; https://go.dev/dl/go1.18.4.linux-amd64.tar.gz
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03:59 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
03:59 britney; https://go.dev/dl/go1.18.4.linux-amd64.tar.gz
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03:59 schestowitz[TR2]; be a grown up..
03:59 britney; lol
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03:59 TechrightsBot-tr; Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.77
4 AM, July 21
04:00 britney; ill stop crashing it
04:00 TR News; Community Work Group Discusses Next Edition - openSUSE News https://news.opensuse.org/2022/07/20/community-wg-discusses-next-edition/ Source: news | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.opensuse.org/2022/07/20/community-wg-discusses-next-edition/
04:00 TR Bot; Community Work Group Discusses Next Edition - openSUSE News
04:00 britney; weird that linking a tar.gz makes it explode
04:00 earthling; the browser itself IS the malware/spyware; there is only one solution to this, removal of moz/webkit/chrome
04:00 earthling; not some ridiculous addon
04:01 britney; earthling, you would probably like my website, I don't use javascript at all
04:01 AdmFubar; https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/netflixs-password-sharing-crackdown-has-it-sounding-more-and-more-like-comcast/
04:01 TR Bot; Password Sharing Crackdown Has It Sounding More And More Like Comcast | Techdirt
04:01 TR News; Embedded Linux Conference Europe 2022: four talks from Bootlin - Bootlin's blog https://bootlin.com/blog/embedded-linux-conference-europe-2022-four-talks-from-bootlin/ Source: bootlin | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//bootlin.com/blog/embedded-linux-conference-europe-2022-four-talks-from-bootlin/
04:01 TR Bot; Linux Conference Europe 2022: four talks from Bootlin - Bootlin's blog
04:05 TR News; Native Python support for units? [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/900739/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/900739/
04:05 TR Bot; Python support for units? [LWN.net]
04:08 TR News; "Critical" projects and volunteer maintainers [LWN] https://lwn.net/Articles/900953/ Source: LWN | Kernel | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lwn.net/Articles/900953/
04:08 TR Bot; projects and volunteer maintainers [LWN.net]
04:09 TR News; New Krita Videos Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167475
04:09 TR Bot; New Krita Videos | Tux Machines
04:10 TR News; Distributors entering Flatpakland Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167476
04:10 TR Bot; Distributors entering Flatpakland | Tux Machines
04:11 earthling; britney: the icke/rense satirical fringe?
04:13 earthling; don't know, can't grasp this
04:13 britney; earthling, https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/
04:13 TR Bot; Cerberus Investigations
04:13 earthling; it's alot of double-think and double-talk with this
04:14 MinceR; 21 050040 < britney> weird that linking a tar.gz makes it explode
04:14 MinceR; it probably downloads the whole thing
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; it's the file size
04:14 MinceR; or tries to, and runs out of memory or something
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; it limits the buffer
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; and that cannot fit it
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; *in
04:14 schestowitz[TR2]; and the program tgerminates itself
04:15 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Wednesday, July 20, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext
04:15 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives
04:15 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing
04:15 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index
04:15 schestowitz[TR2]; bnchs noticed the same
04:15 schestowitz[TR2]; better approach is,
04:16 schestowitz[TR2]; check file size, before trying to retreive the urlk
04:16 schestowitz[TR2]; *retrieve the url
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; I still remember some trolls trying to crash it like this in 2009
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; it ran here that long ago
04:17 britney; lets party like its 2009
04:17 TR News; EasyOS Plans and Publicity Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167477
04:17 TR Bot; EasyOS Plans and Publicity | Tux Machines
04:17 schestowitz[TR2]; 2009 was no party..
04:18 schestowitz[TR2]; but at least food price didn't go through the roof
04:20 britney; schestowitz[TR2], you could always eat crickets
04:20 britney; nom nom nom...
04:21 schestowitz[TR2]; https://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/opensuse-alp-concept-unofficial.pngnomnom freom Cut The Rope
04:21 TR Bot; ( status 500 @ https://news.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/opensuse-alp-concept-unofficial.pngnomnom )
04:21 schestowitz[TR2]; nomnom from Cut The Rope
04:22 britney; what the hell is opensuse alp supposed to be
04:22 schestowitz[TR2]; tubmleweed
04:22 britney; aha
04:23 britney; i use arch linux instead of fedora now
04:24 TR News; openSUSE: Community Work Group Discusses Next Editions Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167478
04:24 TR Bot; openSUSE: Community Work Group Discusses Next Editions | Tux Machines
04:26 britney; i didn't switch because i had problems with fedora or anything, i switched for the memes
04:27 TR News; Kernel: sambaXP, Control-flow integrity (CFI), Embedded Linux Conference Europe 2022 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167479
04:27 TR Bot; Kernel: sambaXP, Control-flow integrity (CFI), Embedded Linux Conference Europe 2022 | Tux Machines
04:44 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167480
04:44 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
04:44 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167481
04:44 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
04:47 TR News; Links 21/07/2022: EasyOS Plans and Arduino Projects | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/easyos-plans/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/20/easyos-plans/
04:47 TR Bot; Links 21/07/2022: EasyOS Plans and Arduino Projects | Techrights
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5 AM, July 21
05:05 britney; here is an idea: a techrights nntp server
05:05 britney; nntp is fun
05:11 bagira; how about a redesign of the site theme
05:12 bagira; its a little jumbled at the moment
05:16 AdmFubar; https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/21/teams_outage/
05:16 TR Bot; Microsoft blames storage error for Teams outage The Register
05:16 schestowitz[TR2]; :D
05:16 britney; NNTP server and then turn the website into an NNTP reader
05:18 DaemonFC; <MinceR> especially since mozilla tried to use failfox to force poetteringaudio on users
05:18 schestowitz[TR2]; the clown
05:18 schestowitz[TR2]; GUARANTEED uptme
05:18 DaemonFC; Now they're on to Pipewire.
05:18 britney; pipewire is cool
05:18 DaemonFC; It supports Pulseaudio's API though.
05:18 DaemonFC; There's too many applications out there not to.
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05:25 TR News; The EPO Bubble Part IX A Well-Remunerated Faustian Pact? | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/razik-menidjel-faustian-pact/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/20/razik-menidjel-faustian-pact/
05:25 TR Bot; The EPO Bubble Part IX A Well-Remunerated Faustian Pact? | Techrights
05:27 DaemonFC; Dear lord. A bag of romaine lettuce salad is $5 now, at Walmart. :/
05:27 DaemonFC; Well, there goes that up another 20%.
05:27 britney; lol
05:28 DaemonFC; It costs you as much to cook something as it does to just go to Golden Corral.
05:28 DaemonFC; They have an entire salad bar, and it's not bad.
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05:38 britney; whoa my mind is blown
05:40 britney; imagine your website is just a front end for an NNTP server
05:40 britney; that would be a great idea
05:41 DaemonFC; schestowitz[TR2], Still reviewing SeaMonkey.
05:41 DaemonFC; My overall point is that it's aging badly, and a lot of this is not even really their fault.
05:42 schestowitz[TR2]; it works as before
05:42 schestowitz[TR2]; but the www is changing
05:42 DaemonFC; The Web is barreling forward with poorly designed "standards" that don't do anything you couldn't do before, but they do it in some other way that sabotages browsers that are just two years old.
05:43 britney; just two years old? thats like a decade in computer time
05:44 TR News; The Linux Foundation Does Not Understand What Open Source Means | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/linux-foundation-hypocrisy-and-openwashing/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/20/linux-foundation-hypocrisy-and-openwashing/
05:44 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Does Not Understand What Open Source Means | Techrights
05:45 DaemonFC; "One I found the IMAP and SMTP servers, and the non-standard ports that Microsoft uses, and the security protocols to use, I also had to create an App Password, which Microsoft says is for "obsolete" Microsoft products, like XBOX 360s and older versions of Office and so on. "
05:46 DaemonFC; "When I tried to simply use OAuth, it told me that I couldn't use it with a personal account and they only let you use it with a work or student account, however, GNOME Online Accounts and Thunderbird get to use OAuth. Do they have some sort of Microsoft deal?"
05:47 britney; Google Mail is just as bad
05:47 DaemonFC; "I haven't set up my GMail account yet. I don't know if I can do that or if it will even work very long if I can. Google is threatening to cut off anything that doesn't support their XOAuth2 in the near future. So far, I have K9 Mail on my phone set up to check that and my Outlook. (I wonder how long that will keep working. Bark Bark.)"
05:49 DaemonFC; Oh, I figured out the difference between SPAM and the Walmart brand.
05:50 britney; I was trying to use Gmail with XOAuth2 in Alpine Mail and it wanted me to visit a website to give it permission every time I opened alpine
05:50 DaemonFC; Walmart brand says pork and the SPAM says pork and ham. I noticed, I made two SPAM loaves tonight. (glazed and with cloves) One for dinner and one for Mandy to take to work tomorrow as a snack and share with his friend.
05:50 AdmFubar; spam! eeewwwww
05:51 DaemonFC; Just for the hell of it, I made the brand name for dinner and the cheap one for his lunch tomorrow. When I was scoring them, I noticed the Great Value kind of wanted to come apart on me a bit.
05:51 DaemonFC; They both taste fairly alike though when you finish cooking them.
05:51 DaemonFC; I don't see $1.66 worth of improvement on the side of SPAM (name brand) here.
05:52 DaemonFC; Other than a very slightly better consistency, it tastes pretty similar.
05:52 DaemonFC; <AdmFubar> spam! eeewwwww
05:52 DaemonFC; Maybe it's not for everyone.
05:52 DaemonFC; My great-grandmother cooked spam loaves sometimes.
05:53 DaemonFC; None of the kids wanted to eat one, mom said. So I decided I'd cook one and find out if it was good or not.
05:53 DaemonFC; I like it.
05:54 DaemonFC; In Fallout, the wasteland has cans of "Cram" that you can open and eat, 200 years after the bombs went off.
05:55 britney; lol
05:56 TR News; [Meme] Faustian Pact to Violate the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/meme-faustian-pact-to-violate-the-european-patent-convention-epc/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/20/meme-faustian-pact-to-violate-the-european-patent-convention-epc/
05:56 TR Bot; [Meme] Faustian Pact to Violate the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights
05:57 AdmFubar; spam, the twinkies of meat
05:58 britney; AdmFubar, twinkies are actually good tho
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6 AM, July 21
06:00 AdmFubar; hydrogenated oil....hhmmm hmm good
06:01 DaemonFC; "I opened Bing just to see what it would do, the entire browser crashes as soon as you load it. I went to see if Bing was one of the available search engines, and it's not. :)"
06:01 DaemonFC; <AdmFubar> spam, the twinkies of meat
06:02 DaemonFC; It's not really fair to say that.
06:02 DaemonFC; It's basically just a ground loaf of pork and ham.
06:03 DaemonFC; I think it's pretty tasty. You just have to cook it. Although it won't _hurt_ you if you ate it out of the can, it would have a weird texture. They cook them inside the can, but you're really meant to cook it again.
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06:09 AdmFubar; https://www.spam.com/varieties/spam-classic
06:09 TR Bot; Classic | SPAM Varieties
06:09 AdmFubar; https://www.hostesscakes.com/products/twinkies/classic/
06:09 TR Bot; Classic
06:09 britney; https://www.eternal-september.org/
06:09 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.eternal-september.org
06:09 AdmFubar; click on the nutrition infor links.. and compare
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06:15 DaemonFC; I'm getting ChatZilla set up.
06:19 DaemonFC; Anyway, back to SPAM. Very popular in Hawaii. You can go too McDonalds there and get it.
06:19 britney; lol
06:19 TR News; Conspiracy of Silence: The Corporate Media Does Not Speak About Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/conspiracy-of-silence-for-microsoft/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/conspiracy-of-silence-for-microsoft/
06:19 TR Bot; Conspiracy of Silence: The Corporate Media Does Not Speak About Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot | Techrights
06:20 britney; ChatZilla is trash
06:20 TR News; Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482
06:20 TR Bot; Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
06:20 DaemonFC; They have a breakfast of SPAM, Portuguese sausage, white rice, and scrambled eggs.
06:20 DaemonFC; britneyChatZilla is trash
06:21 DaemonFC; It's not that bad.
06:21 DaemonFC; Although they have had to fix it several times.
06:21 DaemonFC; It was written a long time ago in an outdated form of JavaScript.
06:21 TR News; #HowTo Exclude Package Update from Apt-Upgrade Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167483
06:21 TR Bot; How to Exclude Package Update from Apt-Upgrade | Tux Machines
06:21 DaemonFC; I suppose the reason it disappeared from SeaMonkey for years is they had to do a big rewrite to get it working again.
06:22 DaemonFC; I remember when it didn't matter much if you went years without updating your Web browser too much.
06:22 britney; kek
06:22 DaemonFC; Netscape 4's rendering engine never changed much for the life of the product 1997-2002.
06:23 DaemonFC; In 2002, you could still _mostly_ use it, although it was aging badly.
06:23 DaemonFC; But as to why you can't use Gecko 78 on some sites.
06:23 DaemonFC; There's no good reason for this.
06:24 DaemonFC; Most GNU/Linux distributions were chucking Netscape 4 in as the default browser, EVEN WHEN Mozilla Suite had been available for some time.
06:24 britney; you could still use lynx
06:24 DaemonFC; Netscape 4 was obsolete. It was slow, it was badly written. You changed the window size, it reloaded the damned page!
06:24 DaemonFC; And not out of the disk cache! It asked the server to send everything again!
06:25 DaemonFC; https://www.mashed.com/650241/the-mcdonalds-breakfast-item-you-can-only-get-in-hawaii/
06:25 TR Bot; The McDonald's Breakfast Item You Can Only Get In Hawaii
06:25 britney; I remember Netscape 3.04 gold lasted for years too
06:26 TR News; Talking about my generation gemini://idiomdrottning.org/generations
06:27 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167484
06:27 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines
06:27 DaemonFC; At one point, I found the "Netscape 5" binary and loaded it on Windows.
06:27 DaemonFC; There was one build that leaked out. I don't have it anymore.
06:27 DaemonFC; It wasn't very stable and it was entirely missing support for SSL, so you couldn't use anything that required that.
06:28 DaemonFC; But it does confirm that they had been planning a stopgap release that was still based on the Netscape 4.x code with improvements.
06:28 britney; interesting
06:28 DaemonFC; Things fell into infighting because management pressured mozilla.org to "release something soon" on the open source front.
06:29 DaemonFC; And it was taking forever because it was a from the ground up rewrite.
06:29 britney; I remember how bad Netscape 6 was
06:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
06:30 DaemonFC; Eventually, AOL told Netscape to release Netscape 6 immediately, and so they released it, based on a pre-beta quality branch of Mozilla Suite.
06:30 DaemonFC; I loaded it up and it was horrible.
06:30 DaemonFC; It crashed CONSTANTLY.
06:30 britney; it was slow as balls
06:30 DaemonFC; My usual thing by that point was to just download a nightly build for Windows and unpack it and set it to use the same profile as the last one every now and then.
06:31 DaemonFC; Of Mozilla.
06:31 britney; I think around that time I had started using the Opera browser
06:31 DaemonFC; Yeah, the browser situation at that time was so bad, I'm sure Opera was getting people to pay $40 for a license.
06:31 britney; lawl, i had a cracked version
06:32 DaemonFC; So did I.
06:32 TR News; This week we added a new git server for tuxmachines. The Techrights git server has almost 15k lines of code now. gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/sloc.gmi
06:32 britney; being able to turn off images was pretty sweet
06:32 britney; being on dialup and all
06:32 DaemonFC; I had almost every browser there was, except Internet Explorer, which I had totally gutted from Windows 98.
06:32 DaemonFC; Shell update and all.
06:32 DaemonFC; I actually experimented with installing IE 1, 2, and 3 on Windows 98.
06:33 DaemonFC; Which was possible after you removed the IE that it came with.
06:33 britney; Did you know they made an IE5 for Windows 3.x?
06:33 TR News; Antnio Campinos et al propelled Razik Menidjel to a position of greater authority, but what were the strings attached to such a promotion? http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/razik-menidjel-faustian-pact/
06:33 TR Bot; The EPO Bubble Part IX A Well-Remunerated Faustian Pact? | Techrights
06:33 DaemonFC; You could also install IE 4, 5, and 6 and it would act as if you were installing them on Windows 95.
06:33 TR News; Linux Foundation staff does not use Open Source, does not understand Open Source, and does not wish to adopt it; these people are just milking (or diluting) brands for a living http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/linux-foundation-hypocrisy-and-openwashing/
06:33 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Does Not Understand What Open Source Means | Techrights
06:33 TR News; The European Patent Convention (EPC) is constantly being violated by the EPOs f***ing president (in his own words) Antnio Campinos; why doesnt the European Commission step in to intervene? http://techrights.org/2022/07/20/meme-faustian-pact-to-violate-the-european-patent-convention-epc/
06:33 TR Bot; [Meme] Faustian Pact to Violate the European Patent Convention (EPC) | Techrights
06:34 DaemonFC; There was some code in there that checked to see if IE was present with the Shell Update and if you were running Windows 98. Oddly, it didn't check by build number.
06:34 TR News; Later in our series (Microsoft GitHub Expos) well show how the mainstream or so-called tech media helped Microsoft cover up big scandals; just look how the media and MIT dealt with the Bill Gates-Jeffrey Epstein scandals they only pretend to care about women http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/conspiracy-of-silence-for-microsoft/
06:34 DaemonFC; It checked for a registry key that wasn't there if there was no IE, and assumed that it was Windows 95 if it wasn't.
06:34 TR Bot; Conspiracy of Silence: The Corporate Media Does Not Speak About Microsofts Chief Architect of GitHub Copilot | Techrights
06:34 britney; DaemonFC, check this shit out: https://imgur.com/a/bchduUI
06:34 TR Bot; The magic of the Internet
06:34 britney; IE5 on Win 3.11
06:35 DaemonFC; So you could remove all of IE, remove the shell update and go back to the Windows 95 B Shell, then install IE 6, and it would add an entry to remove Internet Explorer from Add/Remove Programs, in Windows 98.
06:35 DaemonFC; :)
06:35 britney; I think there was opera for win 3.x too
06:35 britney; i think opera for 3.x was one of my first browsers
06:35 DaemonFC; I tried that, and then removing it. You reboot, and IE isn't there again.
06:35 DaemonFC; It deletes everything from IE, just as if you'd removed it from Windows 95.
06:36 DaemonFC; So pretty much the only difference between Windows 98 and Windows 95 is Windows 98 would be what would happen if you added IE and the Shell Update to Windows 95 and then Microsoft didn't add an uninstaller routine.
06:36 DaemonFC; Nothing more, nothing less.
06:36 DaemonFC; Bill Gates testified that the "integration runs so deep that Windows 98 won't work anymore if you tried to remove Internet Explorer....you'd have a broken operating system".
06:37 DaemonFC; I mean, there were some kernel improvements to Windows 98, but that's the only other difference.
06:38 DaemonFC; britneyIE5 on Win 3.11
06:38 DaemonFC; IE 5 on Windows 95 and 98 was actually a Win32s application.
06:38 DaemonFC; You could run it on Windows 3.11 with Win32s.
06:38 DaemonFC; It was only with IE 6 that that stopped working.
06:39 britney; aha
06:39 DaemonFC; Microsoft did that so they could share the binaries.
06:39 britney; 16-bit mIRC still works too, as long as the irc server doesn't need SSL
06:39 DaemonFC; All IE 5 had to do was add Win32s to Windows 3.1 and then it ran, and it was the same binaries you had on Windows 9x.
06:39 DaemonFC; There were some changes though, iirc.
06:40 DaemonFC; The Windows 3.1 package didn't have some features that the platform didn't support.
06:40 britney; Microsoft used to have a BBS where you could download Win32s and other addons and patches
06:40 DaemonFC; But there were actually almost no code differences in IE for Windows 3, 9x, and UNIX.
06:40 DaemonFC; They ported some of Windows to UNIX to get the Windows code in IE for UNIX to run.
06:41 britney; lol
06:41 britney; Now there is Microsoft Edge for Linux
06:41 DaemonFC; If you look in the directories, they just pretty much took C:\Windows\System32 (or most of it) and turned them into .so files instead of .dll. Even the names are the same.
06:41 britney; You can get Edge, Powershell and Visual Studio Code for Linux
06:41 britney; SQL server too
06:42 DaemonFC; IE for UNIX isn't something many people used because it was almost impossible to keep it working.
06:42 DaemonFC; If you didn't have the right "patch level" of Solaris, it would either crash IE or bring down the entire operating system as soon as you launched IE.
06:42 DaemonFC; I don't know what the situation was for HP-UX.
06:42 DaemonFC; Probably just as bad.
06:43 DaemonFC; Then the porting company, MainWin, leaked about a third of the source code to Windows NT4/2000.
06:43 DaemonFC; They lost a laptop with Microsoft's porting kit on it from the IE for UNIX project.
06:43 DaemonFC; And it spilled out onto the Internet.
06:44 DaemonFC; So there's a lot of source code for Windows out there, at least earlier versions of it, floating around on the Internet.
06:44 DaemonFC; I think most of Windows XP leaked a couple of years ago.
06:45 britney; i vaguely remember that
06:45 DaemonFC; The funny part is that you get bugs that go all the way from Windows NT 3.1 to Windows 10 or 11, things like that.
06:45 DaemonFC; Tavis Ormandy found a very serious security problem in NTVDM, the 16-bit version.
06:45 DaemonFC; That doesn't affect Windows 11 though, and none of them do.
06:46 DaemonFC; Why? Microsoft ripped out all compatibility with Windows 3.1 and earlier and DOS from Windows 11. There's no 32-bit version.
06:46 DaemonFC; You can still run all kinds of Windows 3 software in Wine.
06:46 DaemonFC; I have some. I have the Microsoft Entertainment Packs with things like Chip's Challenge.
06:47 DaemonFC; It will still run Office 6.
06:48 DaemonFC; George R.R. Martin still uses WordStar, for DOS, and it's not even the latest version.
06:48 DaemonFC; I think someone set it up in DOSBox for him.
06:49 DaemonFC; He said he tried to sit down and use Microsoft Office within the past several years and it was so bad it was stopping him from getting anything done.
06:49 DaemonFC; So he went back and continued using WordStar.
06:50 DaemonFC; I remember trying to do my school assignment, and this fucking paperclip pops up and asks if I need any help.
06:50 DaemonFC; I ended up using StarOffice for a while.
06:52 DaemonFC; There were no good, fully featured, office programs, back then. There was basically just Star and Corel if you didn't want to use Microsoft's. I already knew I didn't want to use Corel.
06:52 britney; I liked WordPerfect
06:52 DaemonFC; Corel was an interesting company that had a GNU/Linux distribution that went ahead and worked. It had some oddities.
06:53 DaemonFC; They replaced the file manager from KDE with "Corel File Manager". I never did see why.
06:53 DaemonFC; Corel's was proprietary.
06:54 britney; WordPerfect 6.1 for Windows 3.x was amazing
06:54 DaemonFC; Yeah, but that was Corel at their heyday.
06:54 DaemonFC; Later on it was just this bizarre office suite that cost a lot of money even though it had no Microsoft compatibility at all, and there was an activation server.
06:55 DaemonFC; In the early 2000s, I wrote an article sharply critical of Windows XP.
06:56 DaemonFC; It got quite a bit of traffic and I made some commission money on it. I don't think anything backed it up though when Epinions went under.
06:56 britney; I think 6.1 might have been Novell
06:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
7 AM, July 21
07:14 DaemonFC; Well, this probably explains something
07:15 DaemonFC; Wikipedia says that SeaMonkey 2.5.13 is still based on Gecko 60.8.
07:15 DaemonFC; I know they are behind and just backport this and that.
07:15 DaemonFC; They are probably lying about being "Firefox 78" so that sites don't just cut them out entirely.
07:19 DaemonFC; That probably explains why "web applications" aren't running so well.
07:19 psydruid; the Windows XP that was only installed on family computers for playing games kept dying, so I got rid of it in favour of virtual machines
07:19 DaemonFC; They're 3 ESRs behind.
07:19 psydruid; Wine wasn't that good during those days
07:20 DaemonFC; https://www.spam.com/recipes/korean-barbeque-spamburger-hamburger
07:20 TR Bot; Barbeque SPAMBURGER Hamburger | SPAM Recipes
07:21 DaemonFC; Hey! I can make this! I have srirachi. I hoarded it as soon as I knew there was a shortage.
07:21 DaemonFC; I'm dumping that shit on my eggs. I don't give a fuck!
07:21 DaemonFC; *sriracha
07:22 DaemonFC; Well, even if you don't have sriracha and can't afford the stupid price people want now that the stores are out of it, you could probably get by using gochujang and mayo.
07:22 britney; sriracha is awesome
07:23 DaemonFC; I want to make liver and onions.
07:23 DaemonFC; Problem is that Mandy won't eat it.
07:23 DaemonFC; I developed a taste for it when I was in Indiana and I ordered it at the MCL when we were down there.
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07:24 DaemonFC; My parents didn't realize I'd ordered liver and onions for dinner and I took absolute delight in grossing them out by eating liver and onions and iced tea. I was about 8 or 9? They NEVER stopped me from ordering what I wanted off the menu anywhere after that.
07:25 DaemonFC; It's one of those things that most people can't get over an instant aversion to that's actually quite good.
07:26 DaemonFC; britney: Have you seen that old movie Defending Your Life?
07:26 britney; no
07:26 DaemonFC; He dies in a car wreck and goes to "Judgment City" where they put everyone on trial to see if they grew enough while they were on Earth to move on.
07:28 britney; thats interesting
07:28 DaemonFC; He's eating dinner with his lawyer and is curious as to what his lawyer is having. The lawyer says, "Oh you wouldn't like this!" so he gets more insistent on knowing what it is,so the lawyer says he can go ahead and try a bite. So he does, and he spits it out, and the lawyer says "A little bit like dog shit huh?".
07:28 DaemonFC; He says, "How can you eat that!?" and the lawyer says "This tastes very different to me than it does to you!". Explains that people who use more of their brain perceive reality very differently from others.
07:29 DaemonFC; I've noticed that there may actually be something to that!
07:29 DaemonFC; People with higher intelligence eating/drinking a larger variety of foods and beverages.
07:30 DaemonFC; People with lower intelligence sticking to things they know. Simple things.
07:30 britney; DaemonFC, would you ever try Crickets?
07:30 DaemonFC; The whole movie was based on the trial being about getting over your fears, right? So the fear of embracing something new to eat? Why not?
07:31 DaemonFC; I noticed my ex rarely deviated from pizza, fried chicken, and ravioli in a can./
07:31 DaemonFC; And when I tried to get him to have something else, he said "Oh I'm fine.". So we could never agree on what to eat even though I CAN cook, and we ate out a lot.
07:32 DaemonFC; britneyDaemonFC, would you ever try Crickets?
07:32 DaemonFC; Well, there's people who do eat crickets, and I suppose that they don't fall over dead. I hear that they're perfectly nutritious.
07:32 DaemonFC; Properly prepared? I'd probably at least try it. Out of politeness. If I was somewhere and they offered me one.
07:33 britney; there is something called cricket flour that you can make baked goods with
07:33 britney; cricket brownies
07:33 britney; cricket cookies
07:33 britney; etc
07:33 DaemonFC; I remember that scene in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
07:34 DaemonFC; "This is more than these people have had to eat in weeks. You're insulting them and you're embarrassing me, now eat it!".
07:34 britney; DaemonFC, do you remember in Demolition Man when John Spartan had a rat burger? "Best damn burger I've had in years"
07:34 DaemonFC; Well, it was true.
07:34 DaemonFC; He had been frozen for over 20 years, right?
07:34 britney; yeah
07:34 DaemonFC; So the rat, being the only burger he'd had in years, was the best.
07:35 britney; I don't think thats what he meant though
07:35 DaemonFC; No, but it was also the truth.
07:35 britney; he was speaking of how low quality the beef burgers were
07:35 britney; lol
07:36 DaemonFC; Ehh, I'm not picky about my beef.
07:36 DaemonFC; The only thing I won't eat are those Flanders All Beef Patties.
07:36 DaemonFC; AKA Extra Value Beef Patties.
07:36 DaemonFC; Walmart sells them.
07:36 DaemonFC; I bought some going "These are cheap!" and I put them in my George Foreman grill.
07:37 DaemonFC; I get all the toppings and buns and the cheese, and I'm all excited for my burgers.
07:37 DaemonFC; And then this orange-ish reddish goo starts ooozing out of the Foreman.
07:37 DaemonFC; It was about then that a sickening stench, almost like rotting meat, hit me.
07:38 britney; :(
07:38 DaemonFC; After going into the bathroom to vomit, I put them back in the freezer, and then returned them to the store next time I went there.
07:38 DaemonFC; Oh those things are naaaaaaasty.
07:38 DaemonFC; I love liver and onions, if it's a high quality beef liver.
07:39 DaemonFC; The "beef patties" said they had heart, liver, lungs, and kidneys.
07:39 DaemonFC; I was like "Oh my, oh no, no.".
07:39 DaemonFC; They pressed dog food leftovers into patties and sell it to rednecks.
07:45 britney; lol
07:46 britney; that sounds terribad
07:47 DaemonFC; brb
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07:49 DaemonFC; It seems SeaMonkey doesn't get along with Adwaita-Dark.
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07:55 britney; I don't like how legacy apps don't work so good with adwaita-dark
07:57 matey; /me considers all gnome to be legacy
07:57 matey; a legacy of sabotage and user abuse
07:58 matey; not to mention hypocrisy and narcissism
07:58 matey; the problem isnt the "legacy" apps
07:58 matey; its adwaita-dark, adwaita altogether, and the makers of adwaita
07:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
07:59 matey; also their parents, for spawning them (though if all else works out, perhaps they can be forgiven)
07:59 britney; i want dark mode for all my apps
07:59 matey; thats a reasonable thing to want
07:59 matey; users used to have more control of their software
8 AM, July 21
08:00 matey; now theyre told to suck an egg and like it
08:00 matey; because everything is open source, and open source has zero fucks to give
08:00 matey; in fact if it had any fucks, it would only sell them to microsoft
08:01 britney; look how dumb pan looks: https://imgur.com/a/R6D9ECC
08:01 TR Bot; The magic of the Internet
08:02 matey; thats because gnome 3 is a worthless bloated shit
08:02 matey; February 23, 2022 Pan 0.150 "Moucherotte"
08:02 matey; Gtk3 is now default build, Gtk2 is deprecated
08:02 matey; voila
08:02 matey; gtk2: software does what you want
08:02 matey; gtk3: you are your softwares bitch
08:03 matey; gtk4: one ring to bind them all
08:03 matey; gtk5: gtkde-shim
08:04 matey; you cant expect them to make non-shitty software AND sabotage the entire movement on behalf of corporations
08:04 matey; theyre busy, file a fuck report
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08:04 matey; bug report, see if they give a bug
08:05 britney; you're saying gnome is the way it is because of corporations?
08:05 matey; im saying gnome has been sabotage since day 1
08:05 DaemonFC; SeaMonkey uses GTK3.
08:05 matey; it helped ruin debian, it helped destroy the fsf, and it laughs at the users it makes miserable
08:05 britney; What should I be using instead of Gnome?
08:06 TR News; CLownflare is an ill-spirited bouncer for sites. A lot of sites are being malicious, discriminatory and uninviting WITHOUT MEANING to and WITHOUT REALISING it.
08:06 matey; at this rate, probably the command line. but its had a dark mode for 70 years.
08:06 britney; LOL
08:06 matey; (rarely available on paper)
08:06 matey; the truth is that most software has been fucked
08:07 matey; so while im not serious about the command line
08:07 matey; its probably the only real fix
08:08 matey; in soviet russia, software freedom controls users.
08:08 britney; https://www.enlightenment.org/
08:08 TR Bot; Enlightenment Main
08:09 matey; "has experimental Wayland support"
08:09 matey; i dont give a shit about wayland, but some might
08:10 matey; (i dont give a shit about them either, but they may not favour enlightenment if its wayland support isnt up to par)
08:10 matey; i wont use it because github
08:10 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167485
08:10 matey; of course if youre trying to avoid github, your choices are probably... dwm
08:10 bagira; welp. there's the appelbaum connection. it's a strong one, too.
08:10 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
08:11 matey; hi person i talked to recently
08:11 bagira; yes this is a person
08:11 matey; connection to whom
08:12 matey; or what
08:12 britney; lol so you won't run software if they have a github repo?
08:12 matey; not its impossible to avoid
08:12 matey; but i try to avoid software thats developed on github
08:13 matey; mirrors idc
08:13 britney; enlightenment uses self hosted gitea
08:13 britney; https://git.enlightenment.org/
08:13 TR Bot; Enlightenment GIT
08:13 matey; the fact that its impossible to avoid, and that microsoft controls it, really makes a joke out of people that pretend that microsoft has no leverage / assets it can do damage with
08:13 matey; yeah englightment has their own git, which is cool
08:14 matey; and imo not supporting wayland fully (or only experimentally) is a feature
08:14 britney; I remember back in the day, like late 90s, when enlightenment was one of the best desktops
08:16 matey; it was very nice while others were still... like they were
08:17 matey; i never used it though
08:17 matey; it was too weird
08:17 matey; or at least seemed to be
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08:18 TR News; "Hi Roy As a special offer to TechRights, I can give a sneak preview of Dells new lineup of Linux-based Precision workstations for developers." http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/
08:18 TR Bot; Free/Libre Software is Greener Pastures for Dell | Techrights
08:18 britney; my first distro was Redhat 5.2 which came with fvwm95
08:18 bagira; britney: can't share it yet. garrett was closer to the appelbaum thing than he was letting on the other day. im working on it.
08:18 matey; i think i bought red hat 6
08:19 matey; but on my hardware it did no good
08:19 matey; so i installed mandrake
08:19 matey; which worked but did me no good for other reasons
08:19 matey; garrett was closer to the appelbaum thing than he was letting on the other day. <- this isnt news
08:19 matey; i believe hes rather open about it
08:20 britney; i liked appelbaum, he has some good videos on youtube
08:20 matey; but its possible at least youre referring to something differernt
08:20 bagira; matey: link please
08:20 matey; its not a link, he talked about it here
08:20 matey; if its what i think youre referring to
08:20 matey; and i couldnt guess what day-- now and then
08:20 matey; probably again if you ask
08:20 TR News; Dell laptops don't get much media coverage because they're good; that's just Dell throwing its "PR muscle" around... http://techrights.org/2020/05/09/oem-gnu-linux-era/ "Corrupt Media" as I call it...
08:21 matey; let me guess... is the link corporate in nature?
08:21 matey; this one was not
08:21 matey; so if yours is, that would verify its different
08:21 bagira; i have so little time these days due to a problem client that its pretty much sleep, work, eat, bathroom, 5 minutes of irc, repeat, and kind of all at the same time
08:21 TR News; Dell basically prepared (with embargo) about a dozen "news" sites to do puff pieces about "Ubuntu" laptop... all at the same time
08:22 matey; at least if you repeat the 5 minutes you get more time
08:22 bagira; matey: i haven't seen any corporate links yet, no, but i also haven't built up data for that view
08:23 bagira; right now im just soaking up content and making notes to get as many details as possible
08:23 matey; one thing i think hes right about is that no one is going to "get" him for this
08:24 TR News; 13 years ago: Why is Dell Sticking with Ballnux After Joining Novell/Microsoft Patent Deal? https://techrights.org/2009/02/14/dell-boots-linux-tax/ more in http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Dell
08:24 TR Bot; Why is Dell Sticking with Ballnux After Joining Novell/Microsoft Patent Deal? | Techrights
08:24 TR Bot; Dell - Techrights
08:24 matey; theres a long list of people who dont care what his involvement is
08:24 bagira; matey: well sure, that isn't the goal
08:24 matey; and theyre the ones he pursues for employment, friendship, etc
08:24 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/irc-log-200722/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/irc-log-200722/
08:24 matey; perhaps someday his karma will catch up but he probably wont ever notice
08:24 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Wednesday, July 20, 2022 | Techrights
08:25 matey; most of his suffering is probably self-inflicted
08:25 matey; and will remain that way
08:25 bagira; it will probably become more clear where im going with this effort eventually
08:25 matey; yeah no worries, my interest is mostly academic
08:25 TR News; Using another CSS gemini://notat.smol.pub/1658381149 but GitHub is NOT Git. It's Microsoft's ATTACK on Git.
08:26 matey; for free software to rebuild, it needs to know its history
08:26 matey; this is an important part of its history
08:26 matey; treachery is historical too (very in fact)
08:26 matey; and there is a lot of treachery
08:26 matey; debian ranked the highest in signatures
08:26 matey; roy tried to say it was gnome FOUNDATION, not gnome itself
08:26 matey; but gnome outnumbers gnome foundation
08:26 matey; so at least its both.
08:26 TR News; Four short-term wishes for Fedi gemini://idiomdrottning.org/fedi-wishlist
08:27 matey; red hat is way up there, which i said in 2020 if not earlier
08:27 schestowitz[TR2]; some gnome devs dissent against the foundation
08:27 matey; then i kept getting quoted for that (which is fine but its out of date)
08:27 matey; <schestowitz[TR2]> some gnome devs dissent against the foundation <- irrelevant
08:27 matey; gnome is a dumpster fire with aids
08:27 matey; some of the developers may not be horrible people
08:28 bagira; im sure most of them are horrible people though
08:28 matey; i think at least one signed the support letter, so good on them
08:28 matey; im sure most of them are horrible people though <- you would almost have to be
08:28 bagira; you can't manage a product like that without a horrible culture
08:28 matey; a good person would feel guilty about working on gnome eventually
08:28 matey; yeah that too
08:29 bagira; debian leadership is not far away
08:29 bagira; neil mcgovern comes to mind
08:29 matey; 108 debian signatures by my count
08:29 matey; a gnome contributor counted more
08:29 matey; neil mcgovern had already signed in 2018
08:30 matey; before there was a letter
08:30 bagira; im like 95% in belief that molly de blanc was neil mcgovern's patsy for that campaign
08:30 TR News; This portal seems to have been abandoned. Borisnaro left us to die with COVID-19 (1000+ deaths a week now) https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2021-to-2022
08:30 TR Bot; all-cause mortality surveillance: 2021 to 2022 - GOV.UK
08:30 matey; i think theres something like consensus on that
08:30 matey; maybe its speculation. or maybe the sky is blue (but doesnt code)
08:30 TR News; "Deaths with COVID-19 on the death certificate registered in the week ending 08 July 2022 are not available for Northern Ireland. The UK total number includes England, Scotland and Wales only." https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whats-new/record/0be68954-2eea-4cbc-a136-33d8020c98c3
08:30 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/whats-new/record/0be68954-2eea-4cbc-a136-33d8020c98c3 )
08:30 matey; they say the sky is blue, but perhaps it changed since i looked
08:31 matey; i bet twitter knows
08:31 bagira; kind of hard to investigate that group though
08:32 bagira; those circles of debian are very hard to get near and if you ask any questions they blacklist fast. hasn't happened to me yet but ive seen it alot
08:32 matey; debian isnt coming back
08:32 TR News; It has now been OVER 2 MONTHS (last update May 19) since we last had figures for UK-wide COVID-19 deaths by date. Borisnario does not want people to know how bad it really became. https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
08:32 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths )
08:32 matey; its basically gnome os at this point
08:33 bagira; its degrading too, the new gtk dropped glade support iirc
08:33 bagira; aka: no designer
08:33 matey; the number of gtk4 apps im willing to install is practically none
08:33 bagira; you mean gtk5 right lol
08:33 matey; i only use gtk3 apps under protest
08:34 matey; wow, did they skip gtk4 already?
08:34 bagira; jeez man what are you running, slackware?
08:34 matey; openbsd
08:34 matey; so close enough
08:34 bagira; oh lol
08:34 bagira; yeah pretty much
08:34 matey; theres a guy here who develops a pretty elaborate gtk4 application
08:35 matey; but it uses gtk4, so... no
08:35 matey; i dont blame him
08:35 matey; gtk4 is just something i never want to use. and ill get as close to that as i possibly can
08:35 bagira; i apologize, im old and was thinking of kde5 not gtk5, they're still on 4
08:35 matey; oh ok
08:36 matey; no worries, that makes more sense
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08:36 matey; i thought gtk4 should have a chance to rub users noses in it
08:36 matey; before they go deprecating it too
08:36 DaemonFC; Hmm, Walmart employee discount works on Low Sodium V8, but not regular V8.
08:36 *bagira slowly transforms into a boomer
08:36 DaemonFC; Low Sodium it is then.
08:37 bagira; sodium is for rich people
08:37 bagira; know your place
08:37 matey; lol
08:38 britney; slowly turns into a boomer?
08:38 matey; EFL powers Samsung Galaxy Watch smartwatches and is behind Samsung Smart Televisions <- i guess this technically isnt enlightnments fault
08:42 britney; you know what sucks about irc? it doesn't use 1000mb of ram like discord
08:43 bnchs; you know what sucks about irc? it doesn't ask for your phone number like discord
08:43 bagira; in all fairness discord isn't a stinking cesspool as a tradeoff
08:43 bagira; like
08:43 bagira; if you just roam around the irc world
08:44 bagira; you're statistically gauranteed to be the ball in a pinball game, getting knocked around by giant dick flippers
08:44 matey; thats pretty much what its like here, except youre given pretty much unlimited quarters
08:45 britney; https://imgur.com/a/mRqWb1s
08:45 TR Bot; The magic of the Internet
08:46 bagira; ram is easy these days
08:46 matey; /me thinks "dick flipper" has potential as an insult if you can say it with a straight face
08:46 bagira; i have 64 on this box
08:46 britney; I have 16GB
08:46 TR News; We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/21/200000-brits-dead-with-coronavirus/
08:46 TR Bot; Blog Archive We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom
08:47 matey; neil mcgovern is a dick flipper
08:47 bagira; the introsion detection system has banned just thousands of IPs since AO was launched
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08:47 bagira; *intrusion
08:48 bagira; almost all of them trying to abuse ssh
08:48 TR News; 3 Most Underrated Linux Distros Deserving More Recognition https://linuxiac.com/most-underrated-linux-distros/ Source: linuxiac | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//linuxiac.com/most-underrated-linux-distros/
08:48 TR Bot; 3 Most Underrated Linux Distros Deserving More Recognition
08:49 matey; ao is cool
08:49 matey; im pretty sure any public server will be like that though
08:49 bagira; im excited about some of the content in the pipeline
08:49 bagira; no man none of my other stuff gets hit like this
08:49 matey; i ran a gopher server once-- with fail2ban
08:49 matey; none of my other stuff gets hit like this <- cool then
08:49 TR News; "CentOS 7 reaches end of life" https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/application-modernization/introducing-rocky-linux-optimized-for-google-cloud |
08:50 TR Bot; Introducing Rocky Linux Optimized for Google Cloud | Google Cloud Blog
08:50 TR News; "For those who have been paying attention to the Game of Trees" https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220720220958 | Source: Undeadly
08:50 TR Bot; Game of Trees 0.74 released
08:50 bagira; yeah we added bootstrap support to the markdown generator so we'll be able to use tags for various types of notes
08:50 bagira; its hilarious how primitive the tech stack is under it
08:51 TR News; Proprietary bubble, propped up by US taxpayers https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/20/23271634/google-hiring-pause-two-weeks-review-headcount-needs | Source: The Verge
08:51 TR Bot; Google pauses hiring for two weeks to review our headcount needs - The Verge
08:51 TR News; "reached a provisional agreement on a new landmark regulatory framework for cryptocurrencies." https://www.computerworld.com/article/3667281/will-new-eu-crypto-rules-change-how-ransomware-is-played.html | Source: Computer World
08:51 TR Bot; new EU crypto rules change how ransomware is played? | Computerworld
08:52 matey; next up: gemini support
08:52 bagira; crypto can't be regulated lol
08:52 bagira; its designed not to be
08:52 matey; canadian crypto cant be
08:53 bagira; thats why when shiba inu hits a penny i'm going to buy an internet backbone and rule over the interwebs
08:53 britney; lol
08:55 TR News; Many scripted Dell 'articles' after embargo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34399
08:55 TR Bot; Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
08:55 britney; Certified for Shit 22.04 LTS
08:57 TR News; Proprietary software and corrupt both need to go, even at the same time. They're connected.
08:58 TR News; "Brendan Carr, the commissioner of the FCC" https://blog.malwarebytes.com/privacy-2/2022/07/tiktok-is-unacceptable-security-risk-and-should-be-removed-from-app-stores-says-fcc/ | Source: Malwarebytes Labs
08:58 TR Bot; TikTok is "unacceptable security risk" and should be removed from app stores, says FCC | Malwarebytes Labs
08:58 TR News; "An official said that passengers would barely notice they were being checked as they walked to the exit." https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/breeze-through-border-control-in-contactless-corridors-cqlbcbdvt | Source: The Sunday Times UK
08:58 TR Bot; Breeze through border control in contactless corridors | News | The Times
08:58 TR News; How about no? https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tourists-must-send-photo-faces-27535311 | Source: Mirror UK
08:58 TR Bot; Tourists must send photo of faces to Home Office before visiting UK from next year - Mirror Online
08:58 TR News; "Perhaps the most well-known rule about passports is that you can not smile in your photograph." https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/1642110/Passports-application-rejected-photograph-reasons-evg | Source: Express
08:58 TR Bot; 5 'unexpected' photo mistakes that could see your passport application rejected | Travel News | Travel | Express.co.uk
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08:59 TR News; "submit biometric details through a smartphone app" https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/home-office-contactless-corridors-border-control-b2127885.html | Source: The Independent UK
08:59 TR Bot; Home Office to pilot contactless corridors to allow travelers to breeze through border control | The Independent
9 AM, July 21
09:00 TR News; "its not about where the data are stored, but who has access." https://theconversation.com/even-if-tiktok-and-other-apps-are-collecting-your-data-what-are-the-actual-consequences-187277 | Source: The Conversation
09:00 TR Bot; Even if TikTok and other apps are collecting your data, what are the actual consequences?
09:00 bagira; its kind of f*cking stupid that coinbase lists currencies under the trade category that it doesnt actually let you place trades in
09:01 TR News; "Secret Service employees were supposed to manually back up" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/19/politics/secret-service-texts-national-archives/index.html | Source: CNN
09:01 TR Bot; Secret Service gives thousands of documents to January 6 committee, but hasn't yet recovered potentially missing texts - CNNPolitics
09:04 TR News; Tesla down the drain https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/20/23271834/tesla-q2-2022-earnings-elon-musk | Source: The Verge
09:04 TR Bot; Tesla Q2 2022 report shows crypto sell-off, decrease in profits - The Verge
09:04 matey; the data for comparison / context isnt useful?
09:04 matey; oh under the trade category
09:07 techuser; hi
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09:07 techuser; hope the nick changes are logged, but if they don't, I'm SomeH4x0r
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09:08 britney; techuser, please dont haxx0r me
09:15 matey; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0390374/
09:15 TR Bot; Hammer, Don't Hurt 'Em: The Movie (Video 1990) - IMDb
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09:28 TR News; American Data Privacy https://thehill.com/policy/technology/3567822-house-panel-advances-landmark-federal-data-privacy-bill/ | Source: The Hill
09:28 TR Bot; House panel advances landmark federal data privacy bill | The Hill
09:28 TR News; "they would delay or cut" https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4601282 | Source: Taiwan News
09:28 TR Bot; US Senate moves closer to passing CHIPS Act | Taiwan News | 2022-07-20 15:55:00
09:29 TR News; Graft: "subsidies and tax credits" (not to homeless people but to BILLIONAIRES!) https://www.reuters.com/technology/months-later-us-senate-tries-again-computer-chip-bill-compete-with-china-2022-07-19/ | Source: Reuters
09:29 TR Bot; Senate votes to move ahead on chip bill to compete with China | Reuters
09:29 TR News; Misinformation/Disinformation https://variety.com/2022/digital/global/instagram-tiktok-youtube-uk-teen-news-1235321760/ Misinformation/Disinformation come from BBC too, but it's for the oligarchs, so that's cool!!
09:29 TR Bot; TikTok Top News Sources for U.K. Teens, Ousting BBC - Variety
09:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
09:31 TR News; And BillBC hides the fact that Bill Gates turned to Jeffrey Epstein for kids... when Gates was bribing BBC (meant to be funded by and for the public) https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-62238307
09:31 TR Bot; shun traditional news channels for TikTok and Instagram, Ofcom says - BBC News
09:31 TR News; From one form of brainwash to another https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/uk-teens-shun-traditional-news-tiktok-instagram-regulator-2022-07-20/ | Source: Reuters
09:31 TR Bot; teens shun traditional news for TikTok, Instagram - regulator | Reuters
09:36 TR News; So-called "blasphemy" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-africa-62243068 | Source: BillBC, where mentioning that the bribe giver of the BBC, Bill Gates, is enabling pedophiles is considered "conspiracy theory or "blasphemy"
09:36 TR Bot; Killed for blasphemy in Nigeria: 'It felt like a spear pierced my heart' - BBC News
09:37 TR News; Uber should cease to even exist. But not before they detain and prosecute the executives. https://the-blindspot.com/spotlight-on-the-uber-files/ |
09:37 TR Bot; Spotlight on the 'Uber Files' - The Blind Spot
09:40 TR News; Internet Policy https://broadbandbreakfast.com/2022/07/utility-pole-owners-should-test-structures-before-delivery-of-federal-funds-consulting-firm/ | Source: Broadband Breakfast
09:40 TR Bot; Utility Pole Owners Should Test Structures Before Delivery of Federal Funds: Consulting Firm : Broadband Breakfast
10 AM, July 21
10:01 TR News; Digital Restrictions (DRM) implosion https://text.npr.org/1112335543 | Source: NPR
10:01 TR Bot; Netflix loses nearly 1 million subscribers. That's the good news
10:01 TR News; "analysts response was more mixed" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/netflix-analysts-earnings-subscribers-advertising-tier-1235182902/ | Source: Hollywood Reporter
10:01 TR Bot; Netflix Q2 2022 Earnings: Wall Street Debates Results The Hollywood Reporter
10:02 TR News; "The solution for the end of the backend era is a newly imagined model of deal-making." https://variety.com/2022/tv/features/ownership-cover-hollywood-tv-creatives-wga-sag-dga-1235319528/ | Source: Variety
10:02 TR Bot; Creatives Fight Over Pay Changes in the Streaming Era - Variety
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10:31 TR News; Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Now Available with Ubuntu 22.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34400
10:31 TR Bot; Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
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10:46 psydruid; "We came, we saw, he died" - Killary Ruthless Killer
10:46 TR News; Linux-Based Digital Signage Solutions: Pros & Cons Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167486
10:46 TR Bot; Linux-Based Digital Signage Solutions: Pros & Cons | Tux Machines
10:46 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167487
10:46 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; psydroid2: "liberal"
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; "liberated" Lybia
10:46 schestowitz[TR2]; Libya
10:54 TR News; "Rob is asking themself the same question and comes to a similar conclusion that i do. what the frack do i want to do with my life? what is it that's fulfilling and gives me meaning? " gemini://tilde.pink/~maria/log/2022-07-21_re_professional_goals.gmi
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11 AM, July 21
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11:09 schestowitz[TR2]; hi, techuser
11:10 techuser; hi
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11:22 schestowitz[TR2]; techuser: new here?
11:22 techuser; no, I'm SomeH4x0r
11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; ah, makes sense now
11:23 schestowitz[TR2]; very generic name
11:23 techuser; I can't think of a good one
11:23 techuser; but I'm not a hacker either
11:25 schestowitz[TR2]; are you coding?
11:25 techuser; no
11:25 matey; why not
11:26 matey; being in the free software community and not coding-- no matter how welcome you are either way-- is like hanging out everyday at a small airport and never taking the yoke of a plane
11:27 matey; (ive never trained as a pilot, but ive at least flown)
11:27 matey; but youve coded in c
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11:28 matey; what you havent done is found a language that does something fun and/or useful to you
11:28 matey; bash and python seem like obvious ones, since either would help you with the tasks you work on already
11:28 matey; you could throw in perl, i suppose
11:29 matey; and if youre going to be doing school for it, practicing now (even a little) would help with that
11:31 DaemonFC; https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:Reasons
11:31 TR Bot; SeaMonkey:Reasons - MozillaWiki
11:31 DaemonFC; When porting Firefox patches to SeaMonkey, I've had them be rejected because the code quality I copied wasn't good enough, so they had to be cleaned up. I really don't like the way the "lead Firefox developer" (Ben Goodger - in quotes because that title is really unfair to the other Firefox devs) does his big patches... in the cases I've looked at, he checked in patches that either were...
11:31 DaemonFC; ...entirely broken (when he rewrote the options dialog, it didn't work at all and was mostly invisible (see-through, I'm not kidding)), or full of bugs that a few minutes of testing would find (the info bar that alerts you to blocked popups, blocked extensions, missing plugins, etc. had a lot of bugs I came across when I ported it to SeaMonkey).
11:31 DaemonFC; ---
11:31 DaemonFC; Ben Goodger works on Google Chrome now according to Wikipedia.
11:31 DaemonFC; :)
11:31 DaemonFC; That was supposed to be in quotes. Hmmmm.
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11:35 XRevan86; https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/20/severe-censorship "How a new law against denying family values would spell disaster for the Russian literary market"
11:35 TR Bot; NO TITLE
11:36 XRevan86; https://themoscowtimes.com/2022/07/21/a78363
11:36 TR Bot; Russian Search Engines to Label Wikipedia as War Fakes Spreader - The Moscow Times
11:37 XRevan86; https://pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/07/21/7359323/
11:37 TR Bot; Russians are attacking Kharkiv: there are fatalities and casualties | Ukrainska Pravda
11:37 TR News; Hands-on With openSUSE MicroOS - Adaptable Linux Platform [First Look] Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167488
11:37 TR Bot; Hands-on With openSUSE MicroOS - Adaptable Linux Platform [First Look] | Tux Machines
11:37 TR News; What Do After Installing Kubuntu 22.04 and KDE Plasma 5.24 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167489
11:37 TR Bot; What Do After Installing Kubuntu 22.04 and KDE Plasma 5.24 | Tux Machines
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11:56 TR News; Dell Wants Free Marketing of Its GNU/Linux (Preloaded) Laptops, But It Should Help With Advertising, Including in the Front Page of Its Web Site | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/dell-embargoes/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/dell-embargoes/
11:56 TR Bot; Dell Wants Free Marketing of Its GNU/Linux (Preloaded) Laptops, But It Should Help With Advertising, Including in the Front Page of Its Web Site | Techrights
11:57 psydroid2; screw Dell
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; dhell
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; as MinceR calls them
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; but hey
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; if they start pro-gnu/linux makreting capaigns
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; we too can benmefit
11:57 schestowitz[TR2]; nothing to lose by asking
noon, July 21
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12:16 TR News; Git and Gemini: the Core of the New Sites (With Our Own CMS Running on Alpine) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/git-and-gemini/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/git-and-gemini/
12:16 TR Bot; Git and Gemini: the Core of the New Sites (With Our Own CMS Running on Alpine) | Techrights
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12:21 TR News; 'After' COVID-19 it's CapitalismAsUsual, so we should expect no better from climate response. Humans are very competent at driving themselves to extinction. Then, remaining species can say, "well, at least they became "rich" in the process" (man-made concept).
12:21 DaemonFC; https://i.imgur.com/iLakZK4.png
12:23 DaemonFC; There's a GTK integration theme for Seamonkey that still works. :)
12:23 TR News; We're meant to think COVID-19 is something in the past, but this is the WORST summer by FAR!! https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/21/200000-brits-dead-with-coronavirus/
12:23 TR Bot; Blog Archive We May Have Just Passed 200,000 Victims of COVID-19 in the United Kingdom
12:24 TR News; Weve been Building Back Better so far this month; with site migrations ongoing the plan is to further expand the use of Git (self-hosted) and add support to facilitate Gemini, perhaps along with other emergent protocols http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/git-and-gemini/
12:24 TR News; Its fine that Dell offers people hardware without Windows; but it would be nicer if Dell also actively marketed GNU/Linux as a Windows substitute http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/dell-embargoes/
12:25 TR News; "We cover events and user groups that are running in the US state of Arkansas. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-usa-arkansas/
12:25 TR Bot; Around The World: USA - Arkansas - LinuxLinks
12:25 DaemonFC; They usually charge more to be rid of Windows from the get go.
12:28 *psydroid2 notices both Dell and Intel rhyme with hell
12:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; psydroid2: Bell was also a monopoly
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: or different specs
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; I mention it in the video
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; they make GNUJ/Linux SEEM cheaper
12:30 schestowitz[TR2]; but the specs are worse
12:31 schestowitz[TR2]; the "non-windows surplus"
12:31 schestowitz[TR2]; you PAY MORE for NOT having something
12:31 TR News; Entertainment Choices gemini://ainent.xyz/gemlog/2022-07-20-entertainment-choices.gmi
12:32 psydroid2; I'm watching the video now
12:33 earthling; the netsurf-motif port... it's there to hack with
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12:33 earthling; if anyone wanted to help, it compiles, it runs, and it crashes still
12:34 earthling; very buggy, yet i think it is possible, to bring it back
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12:34 TR News; "Librem 5 USA orders"... not even made in USA, maybe assembled there https://puri.sm/posts/anti-interdiction-on-the-librem-5-usa/ | Source: Purism
12:34 TR Bot; Anti-Interdiction on The Librem 5 USA Purism
12:34 earthling; for, it has no practical benefit anymore, in comparison to text-mode browsers
12:35 TR News; Does Librem think "USA" is a badge of freedom? See NSA leaks.
12:35 earthling; none of the "free software" browsers lynx/links/w3m/netsurf are sufficient for online banking
12:35 earthling; not important for me either
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12:36 TR News; "This comprehensive guide explains what is Docker Desktop and how to install Docker Desktop in Linux" https://ostechnix.com/docker-desktop-for-linux/ | Source: OSTechNix
12:36 TR Bot; Beginners Manual To Docker Desktop For Linux - OSTechNix
12:36 earthling; what's worse, many job advertisements are published online, with web-sites which require certain browser versions
12:36 *DaemonFC (~chatzilla@txau3n3cpv78k.irc) has joined #techrights
12:37 earthling; so, with "free software" browsers such as the ones mentioned, those are locked out from online job portals mostly
12:37 DaemonFC; That's not a mistake.
12:37 TR News; Enough "added value"? Use another distro? https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/5-ways-take-advantage-your-red-hat-tam-subscription | Source: Red Hat Official
12:37 TR Bot; 5 ways to take advantage of your Red Hat TAM subscription
12:37 earthling; it is important to distinguish, of cause, what is referred to with free software browsers, lynx/links/w3m/netsurf
12:37 DaemonFC; The banks push the latest version of the major browsers.
12:37 DaemonFC; So much that they often don't even like it if you use Firefox ESR.
12:38 TR News; Training for a BRAND means becoming enslaved by that brand https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/explore-flexible-training-offerings-red-hat | Source: Red Hat Official
12:38 TR Bot; Explore flexible training offerings with Red Hat
12:38 earthling; btw. even if i wasn't concerned about "free software", any of the typical browsers are unacceptable nonetheless
12:38 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: they don't know what esr is
12:39 schestowitz[TR2]; neither the person not the verion
12:39 earthling; i won't ever again install any of this on either a windows computer (which i haven't got), nor on linux
12:39 schestowitz[TR2]; *nor
12:39 DaemonFC; SeaMonkey is hopelessly outdated in some ways.
12:39 DaemonFC; Gecko changes too much to stay current.
12:39 DaemonFC; So they tend to the corpse.
12:39 TR News; Delete Shithub https://nusenu.github.io/OrNetStats/#tor-version-distribution-relays
12:39 TR Bot; OrNetStats | OrNetStats
12:40 schestowitz; n
12:40 schestowitz; x https://odysee.com/@BrodieRobertson:5/did-microsoft-block-linux-on-new:1
12:40 TR Bot; Did Microsoft Block Linux On New Thinkpads?!?
12:40 schestowitz; # quotes mjg, apologizing for M$ and downplaying both the problem and the
12:40 schestowitz; # direction things have been heading
12:40 DaemonFC; schestowitz You're not even a Wiki!!!!1111111one
12:41 earthling; imagine this, not writing an article "living with free software"
12:42 earthling; instead it is "Dying with Free Software"
12:42 TR News; Is the IP Address Still a Privacy Threat in 2022? https://odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/ip-2022:a Source: RobBraxmanTech | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//odysee.com/@RobBraxmanTech:6/ip-2022:a
12:42 TR Bot; Is the IP Address Still a Privacy Threat in 2022?
12:42 earthling; first and foremost, NO access to online job portals
12:42 earthling; it isn't difficult to imagine what argument followed
12:43 earthling; "dumbfuck, too stupid, can't install a web browser. wait, a real professional does install this in a minute, knowing what he's doing"
12:43 DaemonFC; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security#TLS_1.0
12:43 TR Bot; Transport Layer Security - Wikipedia
12:43 DaemonFC; the renaming from "SSL" to "TLS", were a face-saving gesture to Microsoft, "so it wouldn't look [like] the IETF was just rubberstamping Netscape's protocol".
12:43 DaemonFC; ^ LOL
12:44 TR News; reuters blocks firefox, but... https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/uk-teens-shun-traditional-news-tiktok-instagram-regulator-2022-07-20/
12:44 TR Bot; teens shun traditional news for TikTok, Instagram - regulator | Reuters
12:45 TR News; "According to Downdetector.com, there were more than 4,800 cases of customers reporting troubles with Microsoft Teams." Source: cio | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/enterprise-services-and-applications/microsoft-teams-down-for-thousands-of-users/93018616
12:45 TR News; Estonias HIMARS to considerably hike the price of aggression for Russia | News | ERR https://news.err.ee/1608660622/estonia-s-himars-to-considerably-hike-the-price-of-aggression-for-russia Source: news | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//news.err.ee/1608660622/estonia-s-himars-to-considerably-hike-the-price-of-aggression-for-russia
12:45 TR Bot; Estonia's HIMARS to considerably hike the price of aggression for Russia | News | ERR
12:47 earthling; going ahead with such discussions, because it's easier to visualize
12:47 earthling; if the entire industry is wrecked
12:48 earthling; picking up some z80, gigatron with (A)X.25 whatever, and disconnect the internet then
12:49 earthling; ordering some book and electronics parts...
12:49 TR News; I heard is from the inside weeks ago https://www.geekwire.com/2022/microsoft-eliminates-open-jobs-amid-economic-downturn/ see also http://techrights.org/2022/06/11/geekwire-doxing/
12:49 TR Bot; eliminates open jobs amid economic downturn GeekWire
12:49 TR Bot; GeekWire and Todd Bishop: Doxing for Microsoft | Techrights
12:49 earthling; how did they do it in 1969, space program, when TTL7400 were common?
12:50 TR News; chromebook https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=da&tl=en&u=https://www.datatilsynet.dk/afgoerelser/afgoerelser/2022/jul/datatilsynet-nedlaegger-behandlingsforbud-i-chromebook-sag-
12:50 TR Bot; Datatilsynet nedlgger behandlingsforbud i Chromebook-sag
12:51 earthling; engineers from that era with their equipment, books and skills probably would end up under the bridge injecting drugs nowadays
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12:52 earthling; it is rather framed into some "social" "ecological" "racial" narrative, to explain this
12:52 earthling; when instead it is a technical question, if any of the current technology was suitable to work
12:52 earthling; at least to have access to job placement
12:53 TR News; "Manjaro is a modern and user-friendly Arch-based Linux distribution" https://www.tecmint.com/install-manjaro-xfce/ | Source: TecMint
12:53 TR Bot; Installation of Manjaro 21 (XFCE Edition) Desktop
12:53 earthling; it is no coincidence, the new "quality" of technology products, is advertised together with this "diversity" quackery
12:54 TR News; "I often write the Readme file and Install instructions" https://opensource.com/article/22/7/fmt-trivial-text-formatter | Source: OpenSource.com
12:54 TR Bot; I use the Linux fmt command to format text | Opensource.com
12:54 TR News; "Teams require some kind of process to coordinate work" https://opensource.com/article/22/7/design-thinking-process | Source: OpenSource.com
12:54 TR Bot; Design Thinking into your team processes | Opensource.com
12:56 TR News; "If you already tried to package ROS 2 Foxy applications into snaps" https://ubuntu.com//blog/how-to-use-ros-2-shared-memory-in-snaps | Source: Ubuntu
12:56 TR Bot; to use ROS 2 shared memory in snaps | Ubuntu
12:56 TR News; "In this tutorial, we are going to explain in step-by-step detail how to install Laravel" https://www.rosehosting.com/blog/how-to-install-laravel-on-ubuntu-22-04/ | Source: RoseHosting
12:56 TR Bot; to Install Laravel on Ubuntu 22.04 - RoseHosting
12:57 TR News; "Installing Apache requires the installation of a complete LAMP package (Linux, Apache, MySQL and, PHP)" https://vitux.com/how-to-install-lamp-stack-on-linux-mint/ | Source: Vitux
12:57 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://vitux.com/how-to-install-lamp-stack-on-linux-mint/ )
12:57 earthling; even if, i could start another test balloon, and see to what i got access to, with some free software only
12:58 earthling; it isn't of any interest to anyone
12:58 TR News; "SUSE and the openSUSE community have a steering committee and several Work Groups (WG) collectively innovating" https://news.opensuse.org/2022/07/20/community-wg-discusses-next-edition/ |
12:58 TR Bot; Community Work Group Discusses Next Edition - openSUSE News
12:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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13:00 TR News; Global warning is WARNING to x86: "Valve put up a bit of a notice / warning recently, one for those of you experiencing a heat wave and trying to game on the Steam Deck might want to keep a note of." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/valve-warns-about-steam-deck-temperatures-plus-a-deck-beta-update-out/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:00 TR Bot; warns about Steam Deck temperatures, plus a Deck Beta Update out | GamingOnLinux
13:00 schestowitz[TR2]; psydroid2: ^^
13:00 schestowitz[TR2]; 1) it causes warming
13:00 schestowitz[TR2]; 2) it's exxpensive (energy prices soared)
13:00 schestowitz[TR2]; 3) it won't work when it's hot, i.e. in the future
13:00 schestowitz[TR2]; and this is what Windows targets...
13:00 schestowitz[TR2]; so..
13:01 psydroid2; there are no more excuses for Windows either with the arrival of non-x86 laptops and malware developer tools, but it will probably take them 5-10 years to move on from x86
13:01 psydroid2; yes
13:02 psydroid2; that's why I only buy x86 as needed
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13:02 psydroid2; and probably used going forward
13:04 earthling; they're still proud of this... as if this was any "innovation", "progress", a future perspective, job motor whatnot
13:06 psydroid2; if you don't keep up with garbage tech your skills are "obsolete"
13:06 earthling; it is "free", "educational", "diversity" etc. etc. ...
13:07 earthling; not only obsolete, it's racist then, to say it is technical rubbish
13:07 psydroid2; indeed
13:07 psydroid2; racist against the machine
13:08 earthling; even if, free software intended to offer entertainment, multimedia and video games
13:09 TR News; Avorion https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/visit-a-new-dimension-in-the-avorion-into-the-rift-expansion/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:09 TR Bot; a new dimension in the Avorion - Into The Rift expansion | GamingOnLinux
13:09 earthling; it's none of my concerns, nonetheless, even then, the technical decisions made by companies such as Valve are insane
13:09 TR News; GNU/Linux support https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/fantasy-metroidvania-nara-facing-fire-blends-hollow-knight-and-ori/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:09 TR Bot; metroidvania Nara: Facing Fire blends Hollow Knight and Ori | GamingOnLinux
13:10 psydroid2; they have technical debt and ties with the hardware industry
13:10 earthling; and linux, already got what was necessary: libsdl1,fbcon 15 years ago already
13:10 psydroid2; so I don't expect anything to change on that front
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13:10 psydroid2; not that other game companies are better, those are even worse
13:10 TR News; BrainDead Broccoli... what a name https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/classic-inspired-brawler-pulling-no-punches-arrives-on-august-10/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:10 TR Bot; inspired brawler Pulling No Punches arrives on August 10 | GamingOnLinux
13:10 earthling; i do expect changes, which is the influence of this industry sector, onto linux kernel, is very harmful
13:10 earthling; to software quality
13:11 psydroid2; I gave up on linux and associated projects years ago
13:11 earthling; what are you using then psydroid2 ?
13:11 psydroid2; I don't think any of those are salvageable
13:12 psydroid2; earthling, openbsd, freebsd and other operating systems where possible
13:12 psydroid2; but what I mean is that I don't have an interest in gnu/linux
13:12 earthling; i think those are salvagable either
13:12 psydroid2; it's just around until I've got something better
13:12 schestowitz[TR2]; psydroid2: our community still exists
13:13 psydroid2; they aren't, but gnu/linux is the worst
13:13 schestowitz[TR2]; it's just overshaddowed
13:13 earthling; maybe the openbsd base system is salvagable, with different compilers, certainly not gcc or llvm
13:13 schestowitz[TR2]; corporations and corporate media
13:13 schestowitz[TR2]; people who don't speak for us
13:14 schestowitz[TR2]; activelow you are too strict for practical purposes
13:14 earthling; i don't see any error on my side
13:14 schestowitz[TR2]; the processors you target are no longer manufactured
13:14 earthling; btw. with the openbsd base system, openbsd itself doesn't promote their additional ports tree and clearly state it is their base-system which is
13:14 schestowitz[TR2]; and "modern" CPUs need bloated compilers
13:15 schestowitz[TR2]; at the very least for optimisations
13:15 earthling; see for yourself, i think it got lynx browser, if this sufficed to navigate job portals online
13:15 schestowitz[TR2]; jobs not worth having
13:15 schestowitz[TR2]; or job portals
13:15 schestowitz[TR2]; word of mouth is better
13:15 schestowitz[TR2]; that's how I typically found jobs
13:15 schestowitz[TR2]; some jobs advertise just for compliance
13:15 schestowitz[TR2]; they already polan to promote "in-house"
13:16 earthling; i got enough work to do still...
13:16 schestowitz[TR2]; but they need to pretend to have interviewed "candidates"
13:16 schestowitz[TR2]; happens all the time
13:16 earthling; schestowitz[TR2]: the bureaucratic apparatus, they can throw me out onto the street in a few days if they wanted
13:16 TR News; "Square One Games Inc., Black Isle Studios and Interplay Entertainment" https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/baldurs-gate-dark-alliance-ii-is-out-now-with-linux-support/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:16 TR Bot; Gate: Dark Alliance II is out now with Linux support | GamingOnLinux
13:16 earthling; and, i got no reason to doubt this is what they want
13:16 earthling; to do
13:17 schestowitz[TR2]; earthling: no incentive having peopple in the street
13:17 schestowitz[TR2]; it radicalises and increases crime
13:17 schestowitz[TR2]; agianbst you
13:17 schestowitz[TR2]; not just by you
13:17 schestowitz[TR2]; you probably opened up regarding politics in some workplace
13:17 schestowitz[TR2]; and got flagged
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; there'a saying
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; what do you call a pub with a nazi in it? a nazi pub. same for workplaces
13:18 earthling; anyway, this type of modern "technology", which isn't superior to 1970s, concerning any reasonable criteria
13:18 earthling; this tech industry effectively sabotaged the society
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a two-way street
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; society did it to tech
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; tech does this to people
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; tech is just an enforcement tool of the developers
13:19 earthling; with the cornerstone of any "free software" definition, there is no online banking, no job portals
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; word of mouth
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; telephone, meetings..
13:19 earthling; i would be more specific, who did exactly what
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; I can get your the histopry of how I found jobs
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; same for girls btw
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; don't meet girls online
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; you don't know what you get
13:19 earthling; i am a developer, and _never_ used any of "social media", no "smart phone", never used never
13:20 earthling; i hated this from the beginning
13:20 schestowitz[TR2]; I always prefers to speak to clerks, cashiers, phones
13:20 schestowitz[TR2]; no web sites if I can avoid them
13:20 schestowitz[TR2]; they lower service levels
13:20 schestowitz[TR2]; to save on costs to copmpanies
13:20 schestowitz[TR2]; in turn, it means more people like you out of work
13:20 schestowitz[TR2]; when in fact you could give tech service
13:20 earthling; recent trend being, "microsoft teams" being promoted
13:20 schestowitz[TR2]; instead of people trying to do "self-help" like their time is worthless
13:21 TR News; Epic Games https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/07/unreal-engine-5-editor-quietly-gets-a-proper-linux-version/ | Source: GamingOnLinux
13:21 TR Bot; Engine 5 editor quietly gets a proper Linux version | GamingOnLinux
13:21 earthling; remember what they argued, i was supposedly too stupid to install this
13:21 earthling; so, it's not only "racist" to reject crap, too it showed low intellect
13:21 schestowitz[TR2]; they were too stupid to impose this
13:22 schestowitz[TR2]; they could hire one engineer to set up their own video conferencing s/w
13:22 schestowitz[TR2]; and then maintain it
13:22 schestowitz[TR2]; instead of outsourcing to a criminal company fromA ANOTHER COINTINENT
13:23 earthling; i mean "free software", there is many other acceptance criteria for technology
13:23 TR News; "The ADTF3175 is a Time-of-Flight (ToF) optimized for 3D depth sensing and computer vision applications." https://linuxgizmos.com/analog-devices-presents-high-res-3d-depth-camera/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
13:23 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/analog-devices-presents-high-res-3d-depth-camera/ )
13:23 earthling; and any tech which would pass MINIMUM acceptance criteria, free or not, doesn't suffice to participate in society anymore
13:23 TR News; "OK6254-C Single Board Computer (SBC)" https://linuxgizmos.com/forlinx-introduces-ok6254-c-sbc-based-on-tis-sitara-am6254-processor/ | Source: Linux Gizmos
13:23 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/forlinx-introduces-ok6254-c-sbc-based-on-tis-sitara-am6254-processor/ )
13:25 earthling; on a historical timescale, Tchernobyl disaster, soon soviet union collapsed
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; earthling: you are probably in some "do not employ" bucket
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; they do exist
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; i heard stories
13:25 earthling; and, the modern "technology", it is far worse than Tchernobyl could have ever been
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; getting our of these buckets is almost impossible
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; *out
13:26 schestowitz[TR2]; and it's why many people here won't tealk to you eiuther
13:26 schestowitz[TR2]; changing your nickname is not a solutiob
13:27 earthling; schestowitz[TR2]: you know anything related to this? which bucket that is and what the criteria are?
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; it depends on the profession
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; there are some for tech
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; some for medical professionals
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; and they don't tell you when you are in it
13:27 schestowitz[TR2]; you figure it out by yourself
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; like the "no-fly" list and similar
13:28 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe you had some majjor incident in some tech employer
13:28 earthling; i got some list myself
13:28 earthling; besides, it was ME who quit with Deutsche Telekom
13:28 earthling; i quit with them, not the other way round
13:28 earthling; i knew where this would lead to, 15years ago already
13:29 earthling; didn't require the perception of a genius either
13:29 earthling; and those in charge nowadays, with their diversity and whatnot
13:29 schestowitz[TR2]; "Cisco, Deutsche Telekom and Intel are leading the WBA working group that wrote this report."
13:30 earthling; they are _worse_ than any other totalitarian regime could have been before in history
13:30 schestowitz[TR2]; https://staceyoniot.com/wi-fi-gets-ready-for-an-industrial-makeover-with-new-features/
13:30 TR Bot; Wi-Fi gets ready for an industrial makeover with new features - Stacey on IoT | Internet of Things news and analysis
13:30 schestowitz[TR2]; dt = usa
13:30 schestowitz[TR2]; "CUSTOMERS OF SOME phone companies in Germany, including Vodafone and Deutsche Telekom, have had a slightly different browsing experience from those on other providers since early April."
13:30 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.wired.com/story/trustpid-digital-token-supercookie/
13:30 TR Bot; Have Privacy Experts Sounding the Alarm | WIRED
13:31 schestowitz[TR2]; they own Sprint.
13:31 schestowitz[TR2]; US
13:33 earthling; the entire technological complex, it's worse than tchernobyl could have ever been
13:33 earthling; although, it is not the tech nor science, it was handed over to the wrong people
13:34 TR News; It's worse than "recession" https://www.commondreams.org/views/2022/07/20/urgent-message-fed-dont-get-bullied-sparking-recession | Source: Common Dreams
13:34 TR Bot; Opinion | An Urgent Message for the Fed: Don't Get Bullied Into Sparking a Recession | Dean Baker
13:35 earthling; and tchernobyl, one power plant, this sufficed, for soviet union to collapse
13:35 earthling; nowadays, the entire industry, is way beyond what tchernobyl was
13:35 psydroid2; Amerikanische Telekom
13:37 earthling; it isn't possible anymore to navigate job portals with tech that could pass MINIMUM acceptance criteria for this
13:38 TR News; Games: Valve, Epic, Unreal Engine, and More Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167491
13:38 TR Bot; Games: Valve, Epic, Unreal Engine, and More | Tux Machines
13:38 TR News; LibreOffice 7.3.5 Office Suite Released with 83 Bug Fixes, Download Now Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167492
13:38 TR Bot; LibreOffice 7.3.5 Office Suite Released with 83 Bug Fixes, Download Now | Tux Machines
13:38 earthling; i got email, irc, newsgroups if i wanted, web browser, yet it is not possible to navigate job portals with it
13:39 TR News; Proprietary Leftovers: Ransomware and Microsoft Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167490
13:39 TR Bot; Proprietary Leftovers: Ransomware and Microsoft | Tux Machines
13:39 earthling; i remember an incident, tested this, which is, i formatted my curriculim vitae as ASCII text
13:39 earthling; covering letter too
13:39 earthling; pgp signed, quality documents
13:39 earthling; too i had added some pdf
13:40 earthling; nonetheless, they said they had not received appropriate documents
13:40 earthling; and the employment agency threatened to "sanction" me for this
13:40 earthling; schestowitz[TR2]: which conclusion would you draw?
13:40 earthling; or anyone else?
13:41 schestowitz[TR2]; they want obedience
13:41 schestowitz[TR2]; you dong it your own way is "red flag"
13:41 schestowitz[TR2]; *doing
13:42 earthling; ASCII text?
13:42 earthling; which can easily be printed onto 9pin matrix?
13:42 earthling; pgp signed
13:42 schestowitz[TR2]; employers want dumb employees. as dump as the managers
13:42 schestowitz[TR2]; *dumb
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13:43 schestowitz[TR2]; it's not about hiring talent
13:43 schestowitz[TR2]; it's about control
13:43 schestowitz[TR2]; companies that make weapons
13:43 schestowitz[TR2]; about control
13:43 schestowitz[TR2]; domination
13:43 schestowitz[TR2]; power
13:43 earthling; they got that too
13:43 earthling; so what?
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; earthling: https://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/07/10/phase-two-of-life/
13:44 TR Bot; Blog Archive Entering Phase Two of Life
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; when you work for companies
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; see my experience
13:45 earthling; i am not at least referring to some fringe or ideological dogma, to insist
13:45 earthling; it is some absolute bare MINIMUM acceptance criteria
13:46 psydroid2; companies don't even exist to do anything useful for themselves or for society
13:46 earthling; employment agency threatened to sanction(!!!) me over this, to send a mail and CV as ascii text (to keep this story short as possible)
13:46 psydroid2; they just want money and control
13:46 schestowitz[TR2]; or
13:46 schestowitz[TR2]; serving those with money and ocontrol
13:46 schestowitz[TR2]; it'd a chain of sick-0sucking
13:47 schestowitz[TR2]; state->military-> weapons-> 'tech'
13:47 schestowitz[TR2]; those that mint the currencies wwnat power
13:47 schestowitz[TR2]; and you get paid power to cusk it up
13:47 schestowitz[TR2]; *by power to suck
13:47 schestowitz[TR2]; that's a problem
13:48 schestowitz[TR2]; like graveley making $12000 a month from Microsoft
13:48 schestowitz[TR2]; while attacking women
13:48 schestowitz[TR2]; didn't boither microsoft
13:48 schestowitz[TR2]; he helped them attack the gpl
13:48 schestowitz[TR2]; vis-a-vis..
13:48 schestowitz[TR2]; check today's feature EPO article
13:48 schestowitz[TR2]; about Razik
13:49 schestowitz[TR2]; and his faustian pact
13:49 MinceR; they don't mind my PDF CV generated with LaTeX :>
13:49 schestowitz[TR2]; $20,000 a month tax free (euros)
13:49 schestowitz[TR2]; to help the managers attack the staf f aND BREAK THE LAW
13:49 schestowitz[TR2]; AND THEN USE THAT MONEY TO BUILD A SUMMER HOUSE IN CRETE
13:49 schestowitz[TR2]; sorry, caps
13:50 schestowitz[TR2]; MinceR: I do the same
13:50 schestowitz[TR2]; latex->pdf
13:50 schestowitz[TR2]; but have not done so for like a decade already
13:50 schestowitz[TR2]; rianne does the same, but not since 20114
13:50 schestowitz[TR2]; psydroid2: btw, re friedman
13:51 schestowitz[TR2]; some online microsoft trolls mocked you
13:51 schestowitz[TR2]; for citing us
13:51 schestowitz[TR2]; we might soon have evidence from a subpoena explaining what happened to him
13:51 schestowitz[TR2]; and to microsoft de icaza, too
13:51 schestowitz[TR2]; discovery (court)
13:51 earthling; MinceR: LaTeX had issues too, there wasn't a TeX distribution anymore which passed some criteria of MINE
13:52 schestowitz[TR2]; the person who got tex build for debian came under attack
13:52 schestowitz[TR2]; over total BS
13:53 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.preining.info/blog/2022/07/enrico-zini-on-dam-and-responsability/
13:53 TR Bot; Enrico Zini on DAM and "responsability" | There and back again
13:53 schestowitz[TR2]; (from yesterday)
13:56 TR News; Patents are the issue here. Patients for Affordable Drugs https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/20/big-pharma-has-raised-drug-prices-1186-times-year-analysis-shows | Source: Common Dreams
13:56 TR Bot; Big Pharma Has Raised Drug Prices 1,186 Times This Year, Analysis Shows
13:57 TR News; CHIPS Act is graft. Bail out the homeless, NOT billionaires. US is a mock "free market" https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/07/20/sanders-files-amendment-limit-76-billion-corporate-welfare-microchip-industry also bailing out MICROSOFT http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
13:57 TR Bot; Sanders Files Amendment to Limit $76 Billion in 'Corporate Welfare' for Microchip Industry
13:57 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
13:59 TR News; "Committee to Elaborate a Comprehensive International Convention on Countering the Use of Information and Communication Technologies for Criminal Purposes" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/letter-united-nations-inclusive-civil-society-participation | Source: EFF
13:59 TR Bot; Letter to the United Nations on Inclusive Civil Society Participation | Electronic Frontier Foundation
13:59 TR News; What does today's EFF even know about hacking? It's attacking RMS. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/eff-poker-tournament-def-con-30 | Source: EFF
13:59 TR Bot; EFF Poker Tournament at DEF CON 30 | Electronic Frontier Foundation
2 PM, July 21
14:04 TR News; USA = bailoutocracy = bailing out the rich to make them richer, eliminating taxes for the rich, government then taking that money back as bribes from the rich. Don't kid yourself. This isn't a model for the world; it is a cautionary tale! A cookie jar economy. http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
14:04 TR News; China https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/as-the-chinese-government-ramps-up-oppression-citizens-are-pushing-back/ | Source: Techdirt
14:04 TR Bot; The Chinese Government Ramps Up Oppression, Citizens Are Pushing Back | Techdirt
14:05 TR News; GDPR not effective enough https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/eu-commission-sued-for-violating-its-own-data-protection-rules/ GDPR not enforced against Microsoft: http://techrights.org/2021/06/10/edps-gdpr-epo-impunity/
14:05 TR Bot; Commission Sued For Violating Its Own Data Protection Rules | Techdirt
14:05 TR Bot; The European Data Protection Supervisor (EDPS) Needs to Get Its Act Together on the EPOs GDPR Violations | Techrights
14:07 TR News; "the generals of the war against Starbucks barista" https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/liz-shuler-labor-employment-conference/ | Source: The Nation
14:07 TR Bot; Why Is This Union Leader Schmoozing With the Enemy? | The Nation
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14:09 TR News; PayPal and Alipay https://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-payal-and-alipay-to-freeze-vpn-companys-funds-in-piracy-lawsuit-220720/ | Source: Torrent Freak
14:09 TR Bot; Orders PayPal & Alipay to Freeze VPN Companys Funds in Piracy Lawsuit * TorrentFreak
14:09 TR News; Hollywood studios and Netflix https://torrentfreak.com/after-mpa-chopped-off-primewires-head-hydrawire-tv-grew-back-220720/ | Source: Torrent Freak
14:09 TR Bot; MPA Chopped Off PrimeWire's Head, HydraWire.tv Grew Back * TorrentFreak
14:10 TR News; "Recently I thought about decisions in general, and how I usually need motivation. But I think I actually need a positive state of mind, then I must make the decision and just stick to it. And so far, this works" gemini://altesq.net/~masqq/gemlog/2022-07-21.gmi
14:11 TR News; The Peace of Summertime. gemini://atyh.net/post-2022-07-21-summertime.gmi
14:12 TR News; Scapegoats of (or for) Netflix https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/netflixs-password-sharing-crackdown-has-it-sounding-more-and-more-like-comcast/ | Source: Techdirt
14:12 TR Bot; Password Sharing Crackdown Has It Sounding More And More Like Comcast | Techdirt
14:13 TR News; "Prigozhin has asked the Russian Prosecutor Generals Office to conduct an audit of Meduzas activities" https://meduza.io/en/news/2022/07/20/oligarch-evgeny-prigozhin-asks-russia-to-blacklist-meduza-as-an-undesirable-organization | Source: Meduza
14:13 TR Bot; NO TITLE
14:13 schestowitz[TR2]; XRevan86: ^
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14:16 MinceR; (audio:important) https://apina.biz/190602.mp4?mode=sfw
14:16 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-http://apina.biz/190602.mp4
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14:16 TR News; Terrible idea of helping Microsoft after escaping Windows https://www.how2shout.com/linux/how-to-install-net-core-on-manjaro-linux/
14:16 TR Bot; How to install .Net Core on Manjaro Linux - Linux Shout
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14:19 TR News; IBM continues "The Great Resignation" lie/myth while laying off a ton of its own workers https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/it-talent-5-reasons-consider-career-coach
14:19 TR Bot; IT talent: 5 reasons to consider a career coach | The Enterprisers Project
14:20 TR News; ICBM kicks you and then blaming you for getting kicked
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14:21 TR News; "Between the pandemic effect, hustle culture, and work pressures, burnout has become commonplace." When your bosses at ICBM tell you that "you are an IBM employee 100% of the time..." (even after work) https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/7/prevent-team-burnout
14:21 TR Bot; Burnout: 3 steps to prevent it on your team | The Enterprisers Project
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14:21 TR News; Steven Vaughan-Nichols is a PR person, not a journalist. See who pays the salary.
14:22 TR News; ICBM pushing proprietary software after buying Red Hat - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/ibm_db2_operator/ Source: theregister | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/ibm_db2_operator/
14:22 TR Bot; IBM launches Db2 operator for Kubenetes on AWS The Register
14:22 XRevan86; schestowitz: Yea, he wants Meduza to be deemed undesirable.
14:23 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167493
14:23 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
14:23 schestowitz[TR2]; XRevan86: to him
14:23 XRevan86; schestowitz: To the "law".
14:23 psydroid2; schestowitz[TR2], let them come, I will eat them alive
14:24 TR News; SJVN, the coin-operated corporate poodle. Insert coin, choose "sponsored narrative" https://narratives.zdnet.com/
14:24 TR Bot;
14:25 schestowitz[TR2]; spazz: she said?
14:25 schestowitz[TR2]; psydroid2: she said?
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14:27 TR News; IBM: THE GREAT RESIGNATION! 200,000 ... FIRED!! Cops: we don't kill anyone. They kill themselves. "STOP RESISTING!"
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14:28 psydroid2; I know about Microsoft trolls, but they generally don't dare to respond or don't get the last word
14:28 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh_gIxTitMM
14:28 TR Bot; https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=Hh_gIxTitMM
14:28 TR Bot; inv.riverside.rocks | (HD) Judge Dredd - YOU BETRAYED THE LAW!!!! - Invidious
14:28 TR News; Cops can be like rapists. They shout at you to strop resistance.
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14:29 psydroid2; I remember when Hayden Barnes came here as matlock and I shut him down and he left after two days of not getting anywhere
14:29 schestowitz[TR2]; psydroid2: rms: "Idiots can be defeated but they never admit it."
14:29 schestowitz[TR2]; silence can be victory
14:30 schestowitz[TR2]; psydroid2: he vanished
14:30 schestowitz[TR2]; into rancher
14:30 schestowitz[TR2]; no more wsl
14:30 schestowitz[TR2]; it's like original surface
14:30 schestowitz[TR2]; the "big ass table"
14:30 psydroid2; rancher should also vanish together with suse
14:30 schestowitz[TR2]; it's hype
14:30 schestowitz[TR2]; like openshit
14:30 schestowitz[TR2]; they tell you embrace complkexity
14:30 schestowitz[TR2]; "transformation"
14:31 schestowitz[TR2]; "moderniisation"
14:31 schestowitz[TR2]; "but buy our wares"
14:31 schestowitz[TR2]; to "manage complexity"
14:31 schestowitz[TR2]; which you likely never needed in the first place
14:31 schestowitz[TR2]; kubernetes forn instance
14:31 schestowitz[TR2]; for a two server setup
14:31 schestowitz[TR2]; like apache ands varnish
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; move to "the clown" while at it
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; and pay for your staff to get clown certified
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; memorising GUIs
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; and then pay $1000 a month in fees
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; like our company
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; that outsource some shit to AWS
14:32 psydroid2; I've never seen an industry that is as disingenuous as the IT industry
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; we used to have our own big rack with many servers
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; now.. none
14:32 psydroid2; and I don't see why you would go on to reinvent everything all the time
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; even the email and vpn got outsourced
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; and a colleague bragged it's encryption file syste,m
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; on amazon
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; hgello...
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; amazon controls the whole thing
14:33 psydroid2; I really thinking business types should run all of it
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; so some foreign company and cpounty can read all our mail
14:33 psydroid2; but what are STEM people especially in CS(E) going to do?
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; and our vpn, too
14:34 TR News; Red Hat / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167494
14:34 TR Bot; Red Hat / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
14:34 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167495
14:34 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
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14:36 TR News; Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition gets certified for Ubuntu 22.04 http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34403
14:36 TR Bot; Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
14:37 psydroid2; so after The Great Resignation we will see The Great Collapse
14:37 TR News; Linux Mint 21 Beta now available http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167157#comment-34402
14:37 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 Beta Is Now Available for Download, Heres a First Look | Tux Machines
14:37 psydroid2; that's exactly what is needed
14:37 schestowitz[TR2]; they will blame it on us
14:37 schestowitz[TR2]; form""resigning"
14:37 schestowitz[TR2]; we crashed the economy
14:37 schestowitz[TR2]; the oligarchs had it asll planned
14:37 schestowitz[TR2]; the bailouts and all
14:37 schestowitz[TR2]; at our expense
14:37 psydroid2; let it all collapse
14:37 psydroid2; sometimes it's better to start from a clean slate
14:38 psydroid2; although this sounds like MinceR, I think something new can be built from zero
14:38 psydroid2; something that is better than what came before
14:38 TR News; LibreOffice 7.3.5 Community available for download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167492#comment-34401
14:38 TR Bot; LibreOffice 7.3.5 Office Suite Released with 83 Bug Fixes, Download Now | Tux Machines
14:38 schestowitz[TR2]; there is food shortage
14:38 schestowitz[TR2]; they say
14:38 schestowitz[TR2]; maybe eat the people who buy all the farmland
14:38 earthling; ^ this is confusing me, the promotion of LibreOffice by schestowitz[TR2] and his tuxmachines
14:39 earthling; just a random hit
14:39 earthling; no problem, it could be a disagreement, of what "free software" was supposed to be, or anything complying with MINIMUM acceptance criteria for software
14:39 schestowitz[TR2]; today's news
14:40 schestowitz[TR2]; with libreofice you can work locally
14:40 earthling; it's just a random pick
14:40 TR News; Rinat Akhmetov https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/07/20/i-am-not-going-to-be-an-oligarch | Source: Meduza
14:40 TR Bot; NO TITLE
14:42 schestowitz[TR2]; earthling: chronological
14:43 TR News; Twitter is foreign interference. Twitter should collapse and die already. "In June of 2021, Nigerian authorities directed internet service providers in Nigeria to block access to Twitter after the platform flagged and removed a tweet from Nigerian President Muhammadu Buhari" https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/07/nigerian-twitter-ban-declared-unlawful-court-victory-eff-and-partners | Source: EFF
14:43 TR Bot; Nigerian Twitter Ban Declared Unlawful by Court: Victory by EFF and Partners | Electronic Frontier Foundation
14:43 TR News; VPN https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/lawmakers-push-ftc-to-crack-down-on-sleazy-vpn-industry/ | Source: Techdirt
14:43 TR Bot; Push FTC To Crack Down On Sleazy VPN Industry | Techdirt
14:43 TR News; "Judicial immunity is one of a handful of absolute immunities." https://www.techdirt.com/2022/07/20/one-way-to-lose-judicial-immunity-perform-impromptu-warrantless-searches-of-peoples-houses/ | Source: Techdirt
14:43 TR Bot; Way To Lose Judicial Immunity: Perform Impromptu Warrantless Searches Of Peoples Houses | Techdirt
14:44 TR News; "Roller coasters are not only great fun to ride, theyre also fascinating pieces of engineering." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/20/how-to-make-a-model-roller-coaster-without-any-moving-parts/ | Source: Hackaday
14:44 TR Bot; To Make A Model Roller Coaster Without Any Moving Parts | Hackaday
14:47 TR News; "If you can buy something off the shelf, theres a good chance that someone has tried to 3D print their own version. [Daniel Nore] did just that with skateboard trucks, whipping up a design of his own." https://hackaday.com/2022/07/20/3d-printed-skate-trucks-do-surprisingly-okay/ | Source: Hackaday
14:47 TR Bot; Printed Skate Trucks Do Surprisingly Okay | Hackaday
14:48 TR News; Graft, theft https://truthout.org/articles/sanders-moves-to-limit-76-billion-in-corporate-welfare-for-microchip-industry/ They also gave about $40,000,000,000 to Microsoft: http://techrights.org/2022/02/04/the-united-states-government-should-quit-bailing-out-microsoft-at-taxpayers-expense/
14:48 TR Bot; Sanders Moves to Limit $76 Billion in "Corporate Welfare" for Microchip Industry
14:48 TR Bot; The United States Government Should Quit Bailing Out Microsoft at Taxpayers Expense | Techrights
14:49 TR News; Patents that kill https://truthout.org/articles/big-pharma-has-raised-drug-prices-1186-times-this-year-report-says/ | Source: TruthOut
14:49 TR Bot; Big Pharma Has Raised Drug Prices 1,186 Times This Year, Report Says
14:49 earthling; to provoke again, this type of software, LibreOffice, isn't supporting "software freedom", instead it is a threat
14:50 earthling; and this isn't a critique directed towards developers and their competence
14:50 schestowitz[TR2]; they're many germans
14:50 schestowitz[TR2]; but maybe not "true germans" to you
14:50 earthling; instead, the fact it is millions of hours of manpower, let me say wasted on this, even worse
14:50 schestowitz[TR2]; TDF is based in Berlin mostly
14:51 earthling; schestowitz[TR2]: i worked with a c++ programmer who developed staroffice, some years ago
14:52 earthling; another reason why, it's sadden me, to see such manpower wasted
14:52 earthling; *saddening
14:53 TR News; "The European Commission launched the Rule of Law procedure against Hungary at the end of April." Should do the same to Team UPC. Hungary the only one to rule against this abomination. https://telex.hu/english/2022/07/21/transparency-justice-ministers-proposals-insufficient-for-curbing-corruption | Source: Telex (Hungary)
14:53 TR Bot; Telex: Transparency: Justice Minister's proposals insufficient for curbing corruption
14:55 TR News; "17 Democratic lawmakers, almost all women, were arrested outside the Supreme Court" https://www.democracynow.org/2022/7/20/rep_jayapal_progressive_caucus_chair_on | Source: Democracy Now
14:55 TR Bot; Progressive Caucus Chair Rep. Jayapal on Her Own Abortion & Why Biden Must Protect Right to Choose | Democracy Now!
14:56 TR News; "Why Biden Must Protect Right to Choose".. Biden protects the right, not the right to choose https://www.democracynow.org/2022/7/20/rep_jayapal_progressive_caucus_chair_on
14:58 TR News; Patents: "drug corporations unfettered ability to dictate prices" https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/20/big-pharma-has-raised-drug-prices-1186-times-this-year-analysis-shows/ | Source: Scheerpost
14:58 TR Bot; Pharma Has Raised Drug Prices 1,186 Times This Year, Analysis Shows scheerpost.com
14:58 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22070863
14:59 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/0j2sme4di6a91.jpg created on 2022-07-08 20:06:44.044430
14:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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15:01 TR News; GAFAM and politics https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/20/the-dirty-quid-pro-quo-between-democrats-and-big-tech/ | Source: Scheerpost
15:01 TR Bot; Dirty Quid Pro Quo Between Democrats and Big Tech scheerpost.com
15:03 TR News; "Allegations that MI5 officers and sections of the media sought to bring down Britains Labour government in the 1960s and 70s" https://scheerpost.com/2022/07/20/a-possible-coup-against-the-labour-government/ | Source: Scheerpost
15:03 TR Bot; Possible Coup Against The Labour Government? scheerpost.com
15:04 TR News; "The early days of FDM 3D printing were wild and wooly. Getting plastic to stick to your build plate was a challenge" https://hackaday.com/2022/07/20/ask-hackaday-resin-printer-build-plates/ | Source: Hackaday
15:04 TR Bot; Hackaday: Resin Printer Build Plates | Hackaday
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15:10 TR News; Raspberry Pi Email Server using Citadel - Pi My Life Up https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-email-server/ Source: pimylifeup | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-email-server/
15:10 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi Email Server using Citadel - Pi My Life Up
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15:12 TR News; Java SE 6 and 7 devs weigh their options as support ends - El Reg https://www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/java_se_6_7_support/ Source: theregister | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.theregister.com/2022/07/20/java_se_6_7_support/
15:12 TR Bot; Java SE 6 and 7 devs weigh their options as support ends The Register
15:13 TR News; Free expression is not safe in India: government must not slash social media safe harbour protection - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/india-social-media-safe-harbour/ Source: accessnow | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.accessnow.org/india-social-media-safe-harbour/
15:13 TR Bot; Free expression is not safe in India: government must not slash social media safe harbour protection - Access Now
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15:21 earthling; schestowitz[TR2]: what's this "true germans" about?
15:25 earthling; btw. the Gigatron TTL is a dutch product... not german
15:26 earthling; and the german semiconductor industry is effectively defunct since 1990
15:26 earthling; so what are you trying to say?
15:27 earthling; as far as i am concerned, yes, i would kick IBM and Intel and AMD out of the country
15:27 earthling; Microsoft, same... get out
15:27 earthling; no Visa, no travel-permit
15:28 earthling; they're hostile, they're an enemy, it is an _economic_ war, orchestrated by pentagon
15:28 earthling; i mean, if they drip their racial diversity nonsense on top of it
15:28 earthling; this doesn't change anything relevant concerning technical qualities and economic prospects
15:29 TR News; Links 21/07/2022: LibreOffice 7.3.5, Microsoft Teams Goes Offline Again, Dell Has Many Puff Pieces | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/libreoffice-7-3-5/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/libreoffice-7-3-5/
15:29 TR Bot; Links 21/07/2022: LibreOffice 7.3.5, Microsoft Teams Goes Offline Again, Dell Has Many Puff Pieces | Techrights
15:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
15:30 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167496
15:30 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
15:31 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167497
15:31 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines
15:32 TR News; SpellBinding: AHNYRXP Wordo: DYADS gemini://tilde.cafe/~spellbinding/gemlog/2022-07-21.gmi
15:32 earthling; schestowitz[TR2]: what would you think "true germans" are?
15:32 earthling; if anything, there aren't any remaining anwywhere
15:32 earthling; mission accomplished... so what?
15:32 earthling; why are you asking me?
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15:52 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22070859
15:52 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/d4nxhl1yjk891.gif created on 2022-07-08 18:54:03.610048
4 PM, July 21
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16:05 TR News; System76s Oryx Pro Linux Laptop Gets a 12th Gen Intel CPU, NVIDIA RTX 3000 Ti GPUs Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167498
16:05 TR Bot; System76's Oryx Pro Linux Laptop Gets a 12th Gen Intel CPU, NVIDIA RTX 3000 Ti GPUs | Tux Machines
16:11 TR News; Aamzon reviews = Misinformation/Disinformation https://www.maketecheasier.com/amazon-fake-reviews-on-facebook/
16:11 TR Bot; Amazon Going After Fake Reviews Brokered on Facebook - Make Tech Easier
16:13 TR News; "We cover events and user groups that are running in Netherlands. This article forms part of our Linux Around The World series." https://www.linuxlinks.com/linux-netherlands/
16:13 TR Bot; Around The World: Netherlands - LinuxLinks
16:13 TR News; "From 0 to bhyve on FreeBSD, Analyze OpenBSDs Kernel with Domain-Specific Knowledge, OpenBSD Webzine: ISSUE #10, HardenedBSD June 2022 Status Report, two new C compilers: chibicc and kefir in OpenBSD, SSD TRIM in NetBSD HEAD, and more" https://www.bsdnow.tv/464
16:13 TR Bot; BSD Now 464: Compiling with kefir
16:15 TR News; Microsoft hates Linux https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/149302/linux-action-news-250/ but they cannot tell you that http://techrights.org/2020/05/29/jupiter-broadcasting/
16:15 TR Bot; Linux Action News 250 | Jupiter Broadcasting
16:15 TR Bot; Microsoft-Connected CloudGuru Doesnt Care About GNU/Linux and Now Its Gradually Killing the BSD/Linux-Centric Jupiter Broadcasting (Bought by Linux Academy) | Techrights
16:17 TR News; "I wouldnt have buried vehicle control in the middle of that sentence." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/07/critical-vulnerabilities-in-gps-trackers.html
16:17 TR Bot; Vulnerabilities in GPS Trackers - Schneier on Security
16:18 TR News; "A remote attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/20/oracle-releases-july-2022-critical-patch-update
16:18 TR Bot; Oracle Releases July 2022 Critical Patch Update | CISA
16:29 TR News; Surveillance can kill you https://www.accessnow.org/post-roe-data-brokers/
16:29 TR Bot; Post-Roe, civil society calls on data brokers to do no harm - Access Now
16:29 TR News; What happens when you press a key in your terminal? https://jvns.ca/blog/2022/07/20/pseudoterminals/ Source: jvns | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//jvns.ca/blog/2022/07/20/pseudoterminals/
16:29 TR Bot; What happens when you press a key in your terminal?
16:35 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: Bad Voltage, Linux Action News, BSD Now, and TLLTS Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167499
16:35 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: Bad Voltage, Linux Action News, BSD Now, and TLLTS | Tux Machines
16:35 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167500
16:35 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
16:36 TR News; This is the same government which mandates back doors universally https://www.fosslife.org/us-cybersecurity-apprenticeship-sprint-launched
16:37 TR Bot; U.S. Cybersecurity Apprenticeship Sprint Launched
16:37 TR News; Jim Zemlin might as well walk around a conference with a "I love back doors" t-shirt
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16:41 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167501
16:42 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines
16:42 TR News; LightDM 1.32 Display Manager Released, Dropping Qt 4 Support Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167502
16:43 TR Bot; LightDM 1.32 Display Manager Released, Dropping Qt 4 Support | Tux Machines
16:43 TR News; Yesterday, I've seen a person wearing what looked like a traditional watch. But upon seeing them more, I saw it was a digital watch, too. The analog watch was controlled and set remotely by the program on a smartphone, basically making it connected to technology, thus being useless without technology nearby." gemini://altesq.net/~evenfire/posts/2022-07-21.gmi
16:44 TR News; "I don't see why a watch should be connected to the internet, nor why it should send your pulse straight to some Big Tech server." gemini://altesq.net/~evenfire/posts/2022-07-21.gmi
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16:46 TR News; Watch decades ago: no charging needed ever. Sometimes once in a few years. Phones too could go on for a month, charge. We've gone BACKWARDS. Now "phones" need to be charged every day. Warming up the planet.
16:49 TR News; LibreJS 7.21.0 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167503
16:49 TR Bot; LibreJS 7.21.0 released | Tux Machines
16:50 TR News; Buzzword projects https://www.ubuntupit.com/best-internet-of-things-projects-iot-projects-that-you-can-make-right-now/
16:50 TR Bot; 20 Best Internet of Things Projects (IoT Projects) in 2022
16:52 TR News; Download Linux Mint 21 based on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS to Test http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167157#comment-34407
16:52 TR Bot; Linux Mint 21 Beta Is Now Available for Download, Heres a First Look | Tux Machines
16:56 TR News; macOS vs. Linux: 5 Key Differences You Should Know Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167504
16:56 TR Bot; macOS vs. Linux: 5 Key Differences You Should Know | Tux Machines
16:56 TR News; Are Thunderbird 102s New Features Enough to Make You Switch? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167505
16:56 TR Bot; Are Thunderbird 102's New Features Enough to Make You Switch? | Tux Machines
16:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
16:59 TR News; Public Knowledge Applauds FCC Inquiry Into Data Practices of Mobile Providers - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-fcc-inquiry-into-data-practices-of-mobile-providers/ Source: publicknowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-applauds-fcc-inquiry-into-data-practices-of-mobile-providers/
16:59 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Applauds FCC Inquiry Into Data Practices of Mobile Providers - Public Knowledge
5 PM, July 21
17:02 TR News; >[PATCH 1/5] ASoC: amd: add RPL Platform acp header file - syed sabakareem https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220721061035.91139-1-Syed.SabaKareem@amd.com/ Source: amd | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220721061035.91139-1-Syed.SabaKareem@amd.com/
17:02 TR Bot; [PATCH 1/5] ASoC: amd: add RPL Platform acp header file - syed sabakareem
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17:13 TR News; Right Now in Phoronix... All About AMD (Sponsor) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/amd-blog/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/amd-blog/
17:13 TR Bot; Right Now in Phoronix All About AMD (Sponsor) | Techrights
17:15 TR News; Misrepresentation by Deere and Company to the US EPA and SEC https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/7/20/misrepresentation-by-deere-and-company-to-the-us-epa-and-sec
17:15 TR Bot; Misrepresentation by Deere and Company to the US EPA and SEC The Repair Association
17:15 TR News; Repair.org and PIRG call on the EPA to investigate Deere and its dealers over Right to Repair for violating the Clean Air Act " The Repair Association https://www.repair.org/blog/2022/7/21/repairorg-and-pirg-call-on-the-epa-to-investigate-deere-and-its-dealers-over-right-to-repair-for-violating-the-clean-air-act
17:15 TR Bot; and PIRG call on the EPA to investigate Deere and its dealers over Right to Repair for violating the Clean Air Act The Repair Association
17:17 TR News; Support.Mozilla.Org: Introducing Smith Ellis https://blog.mozilla.org/sumo/2022/07/21/introducing-smith-ellis/ "Customer Experience team"??
17:17 TR Bot; Introducing Smith Ellis The Mozilla Support Blog
17:17 TR News; Choosing the right Camel for your ride https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/choosing-right-camel-your-ride Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/en/blog/choosing-right-camel-your-ride
17:17 TR Bot; Choosing the right Camel for your ride
17:20 TR News; "Fedoras Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) team is starting to work on the Fedora Week of Diversity (FWD) 2022." Fedora as a community is dying or dead. ICBM killed it with deliberate moves that sent the message. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fwd-2022-call-for-volunteers/ to ICBM, "community" means "our unpaid staff"
17:20 TR Bot; FWD 2022 call for volunteers Fedora Community Blog
17:21 TR News; Calling IBM "ICBM" is an insult... to nuclear weapons
17:22 TR News; IBM shill Timothy Prickett Morgan (yes, ICBM pays him to write fake 'articles'... ads) does this mindless "HEY HI" fluff https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/07/21/making-ai-accessible-to-one-and-all/
17:22 TR Bot; Making AI Accessible To One And All
17:23 TR News; "Timothy Prickett Morgan [...] Sponsored by Lenovo." Also sponsored by ICBM and Intel. Today's media turned into spam disguised as reporting. "The Next Platform" is corrupt media... it's a spamfarm of corporations.
17:24 TR News; Irving Wladawsky-Berger on buzzwords and hype ("Web3" https://blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/07/towards-a-trustworthy-web3-framework.html Source: irvingwb | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.irvingwb.com/blog/2022/07/towards-a-trustworthy-web3-framework.html
17:24 TR Bot; Irving Wladawsky-Berger: Web3 - Safeguarding Our Identity and Personal Data in the Digital World
17:25 TR News; Climbing the Charts (request for feature requests) | lichtkind [blogs.perl.org] http://blogs.perl.org/users/lichtkind/2022/07/climbing-the-charts-request-for-feature-requests.html Source: perl | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?http%3A//blogs.perl.org/users/lichtkind/2022/07/climbing-the-charts-request-for-feature-requests.html
17:25 TR Bot; the Charts (request for feature requests) | lichtkind [blogs.perl.org]
17:26 TR News; Today's job interview/hiring process for "journalists": would you post for us a puff piece you neither wrote nor agree with? For a paycheck from the company it's about?
17:26 TR News; Linux fundamentals: How to copy, move, and rename files and directories | Enable Sysadmin https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/move-copy-files-linux Source: Red Hat | ICBM | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.redhat.com/sysadmin/move-copy-files-linux
17:26 TR Bot; Linux fundamentals: How to copy, move, and rename files and directories | Enable Sysadmin
17:28 TR News; Too bloated, too expensive, back doors, not competitive. This isn't the 1990s anymore https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/21/pix-nii-pocket-sized-mini-pc-intel-pentium-n6005-processor/
17:28 TR Bot; PIX NII is a pocket-sized mini PC powered by an Intel Pentium N6005 processor (Crowdfunding) - CNX Software
17:30 TR News; 22,995 dollars? WTH? https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/07/21/xrf16-gen3-som-features-xilinx-zynq-ultrascale-zu49dr-rfsoc-with-up-to-6ghz-bandwidth/
17:30 TR Bot; XRF16 Gen3 SOM features Xilinx Zynq UltraScale+ ZU49DR RFSoC with up to 6GHz bandwidth - CNX Software
17:33 TR News; Phoronix keeps cherry-picking commits from AMD and advertising jobs at AMD after bagging a lot of gifts http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/amd-blog/
17:37 TR News; Unlike Windows, Linux does not have back doors and zero-days ignored by the vendor (Microsoft) for months, so for this malware to get to the system something dumb needs to happen https://thehackernews.com/2022/07/new-linux-malware-framework-let.html
17:37 TR Bot; New Linux Malware Framework Lets Attackers Install Rootkit on Targeted Systems
17:39 TR News; Jack Wallen is conflating Microsoft systemd with Linux https://www.techrepublic.com/article/masked-services-linux-how-manage/
17:39 TR Bot; are masked services in Linux, and how do you manage them? | TechRepublic
17:40 TR News; Mini-GUADEC 2022 in Berlin | Philip Withnall https://tecnocode.co.uk/2022/07/21/mini-guadec-2022-in-berlin/ Source: tecnocode | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//tecnocode.co.uk/2022/07/21/mini-guadec-2022-in-berlin/
17:40 TR Bot; Mini-GUADEC 2022 in Berlin | Philip Withnall
17:41 TR News; How to install KDE neon 20220714 - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=X6mbA9dmX3U | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/X6mbA9dmX3U
17:41 TR Bot; How to install KDE neon 20220714 - Invidious
17:41 TR News; KDE neon 20220721 is out https://neon.kde.org/
17:41 TR Bot; KDE neon
17:43 TR News; "The page you have tried to view (Living with the Rust trademark) is currently available to LWN subscribers only." RMS said it's a reason to fork Rust. IIRC. https://lwn.net/Articles/901816/
17:43 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://lwn.net/Articles/901816/ )
17:45 TR News; IIRC, RMS said Rust needs to be forked into something like "Crust". I'd go further and say that it should get away from GitHub, drop the CoC, but even then it would not be salvageable if too dependent on upstream (softer fork like Iceweasel).
17:45 TR News; Rust was NOT made for freedom or by freedom-centric people
17:46 TR News; Rust sees "freedom" in the same way Hillary Clinton sees "freedom"
17:47 TR News; Microsoft propagandists still try to conflate malware with "backdoors", which is something Windows has by design; this is misleading, borderline defamatory https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-lightning-framework-linux-malware-installs-rootkits-backdoors/
17:47 TR Bot; New Lightning Framework Linux malware installs rootkits, backdoors
17:48 TR News; "The previous blog post introduced my project for this summer. This blog post gives an update on the work that has been done so far in the past 5 weeks, and sketches out the plans for upcoming weeks." https://jsuhaas22.github.io/devblog/jekyll/update/2022/07/21/gsoc-post-1-flatpakkcm-update.html
17:48 TR Bot; GSoC Post 1: FlatpakKCM Update 1 | Suhaas Blog
17:56 XRevan86; CIT: https://telegra.ph/Report-for-July-19-07-20
17:56 TR Bot; Report for July 19 Telegraph
17:56 XRevan86; CIT: https://telegra.ph/Dispatch-for-July-20-07-21
17:56 TR Bot; Dispatch for July 20 Telegraph
17:59 TR News; Lots of stores now claim broken (empty) fridges, have no supplies, force you to pay more for the same. Weird.
6 PM, July 21
18:01 bagira; oh thats precious. i want to supervillain laugh whenever i read developers talking about their plans for the next X weeks like that has ever been what happens, ever lol. measure in energy units, not time.
18:04 bagira; anyway, what's the scoop on daniel pocock? i got an abuse report for him, but don't have enough context yet to understand what's going on there. i can't tell if it's standard issue trolling or if this is a trauma response after being targeted himself
18:14 TR News; Microsoft GitHub Expos Part XXV should be interesting. Info on what happened with Nat Friedman and Miguel de Icaza covering up for a monster.
18:15 TR News; No wonder the price of eggs too almost doubled this year https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/19/egg-prices-in-uk-could-increase-as-farmers-warn-of-tidal-wave-of-rising-costs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-61218741
18:15 TR Bot; Egg prices could rise for UK consumers as farmers cut flock numbers | Eggs | The Guardian
18:16 TR Bot; Egg shortage: Farmers' warning as chicken feed price doubles - BBC News
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18:22 TR News; "A mixture of the coronavirus pandemic and Brexit"... so not even a Ukraine-related thing. Brexit means brexit, right? https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/egg-shortage-prices-food-farmers-23807512
18:22 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/egg-shortage-prices-food-farmers-23807512 )
18:23 TR News; Inside the Minds of Microsoft's Media Operatives Part II will be ready soon
18:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
18:43 TR News; Today we continue this series http://techrights.org/2022/07/17/microsoft-bishops/
18:43 TR Bot; Inside the Minds of Microsofts Media Operatives Part I Bishops in Rooks | Techrights
18:48 schestowitz; > Hey xxxxx,
18:48 schestowitz; >
18:48 schestowitz; > First of all, thank you for the acknowledgement; its not for nothing
18:48 schestowitz; > and actually made my day.
18:48 schestowitz; >
18:48 schestowitz; > Secondly, Id much rather give you 1,500 words in a new article rather
18:48 schestowitz; > than wasting both our times revising a 6 year old article or arguing ad
18:48 schestowitz; > nauseam about whether youre biased in favor of Microsoft. Thoughts?
18:50 bnchs; email?
18:54 schestowitz; yes, redacted a bit
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18:54 schestowitz; tl;dr:
18:54 schestowitz; Mirosoft moles burning Microsoft whisleblowers
18:54 schestowitz; now trying to prerent it was an accident
18:54 schestowitz; 6 years later!
18:54 schestowitz; > Thanks xxxx!
18:54 schestowitz; >
18:54 schestowitz; > I responded in-line. Please excuse all brevity and length.
18:54 schestowitz; >
18:54 schestowitz; > Thanks again,
18:54 schestowitz; > xxxx
18:54 schestowitz; >
18:54 schestowitz; >> xxxx
18:54 schestowitz; >>
18:54 schestowitz; >> xxxx, thank you, I appreciate the sentiment. I would have
18:54 schestowitz; >> responded to your email in 2017 if I had seen it at the time. We
18:54 schestowitz; >> especially try to listen and learn from people who offer critical
18:54 schestowitz; >> assessments of our work.
18:54 schestowitz; >>
18:55 schestowitz; >> I'm sorry for any problems our past reporting caused you. It's
18:55 schestowitz; >> important for us to be reminded that what we publish has
18:55 schestowitz; >> consequences. If we made any errors of fact or judgment, we'd
18:55 schestowitz; >> welcome a chance to learn more so that we can improve.
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7 PM, July 21
19:05 schestowitz[TR2]; >> Thanks for following up, looking forward to hearing more.
19:05 schestowitz[TR2]; >
19:05 schestowitz[TR2]; > Thank you for caring and acknowledging a problem and at least being
19:05 schestowitz[TR2]; > open to the possibility of giving me a small shot at redemption.
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19:23 MinceR; (cat) https://rimgo.bcow.xyz/gallery/tzMedjj
19:23 TR Bot; For fieldday: my cats & food - rimgo
19:24 schestowitz[TR2]; Microsoft liar:
19:24 schestowitz[TR2]; ">My work is out there for anyone to read and assess from 20 years
19:24 schestowitz[TR2]; >of reporting on Microsoft. I do my best to be factual, fair, and
19:24 schestowitz[TR2]; >skeptical. No doubt I've fallen short at times. Likewise, I don't
19:24 schestowitz[TR2]; >see a lot of value in trying to change anyone's opinion of my
19:24 schestowitz[TR2]; >reporting. I just hope that any conclusion is based on an adequate
19:24 schestowitz[TR2]; >sample size."
19:26 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/21/two-people-killed-and-21-wounded-following-russian-shelling-of-kharkiv-news "Two people killed and 21 wounded following Russian shelling of Kharkiv"
19:26 TR Bot; .
19:26 XRevan86; https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/07/21/russian-investigative-committee-found-no-evidence-of-crime-in-arrest-of-scientist-kolker-who-died-while-detained-news "Russian Investigative Committee found no evidence of crime in arrest of scientist Kolker, who died while detained"
19:26 TR Bot; .
19:32 AdmFubar; https://www.pogowasright.org/security-flaws-in-a-popular-gps-tracker-are-exposing-a-million-vehicle-locations/
19:32 TR Bot; Security flaws in a popular GPS tracker are exposing a million vehicle locations
19:33 bagira; its hard to pretend a company with a 30-40 year track record and a previous motto of "embrace, extend, extinguish" suddenly wants to play ball after acquiring github where most of the world's source code is hosted
19:34 bagira; the people he interfaces with may even think they're playing ball, that's their purpose in "embrace" and "extend"
19:35 bagira; it's not some employee conspiracy where everyone's in on it, it's executive decisions to invest, divest strategically and the people involved at the interface point have good intentions
19:36 bagira; i.e. bob isn't evil to foss, and bob's boss isn't evil to foss, but his boss probably is
19:41 AdmFubar; https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/19/documents-antitrust-case-google-amazon-00046522
19:41 TR Bot; internal documents show tech giants pushing out competitors - POLITICO
19:44 AdmFubar; https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/ai-helps-the-powerful-but-harms-the-vulnerable-mozilla-warns/
19:44 TR Bot; Helps the Powerful but Harms the Vulnerable, Mozilla Warns - CNET
19:45 bagira; title should read "machine learning" since AI was only redefined so marketing teams could sell ML as "AI" without getting sued, and before corporate corruption of academic curriculums there was almost global consensus on this
19:46 bagira; (we lowered the standards when we couldn't reach the goal)
19:46 bagira; (by changing definitions of words around)
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20:13 TR News; Inside the Minds of Microsofts Media Operatives Part II Justifying a Career as a Microsoft Mouthpiece That Destroys Lives of People With Actual Facts | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/careers-as-microsoft-mouthpieces/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/careers-as-microsoft-mouthpieces/
20:13 TR Bot; Inside the Minds of Microsofts Media Operatives Part II Justifying a Career as a Microsoft Mouthpiece That Destroys Lives of People With Actual Facts | Techrights
20:14 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22070856
20:14 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/j6wbxai6u4a91.jpg created on 2022-07-08 17:37:43.985398
20:17 TR News; Google wants to REPLACE LINUX?, GNOME 43, and Unreal Engine on Linux - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KoncJlonKSQ | Gemini address: gemini://auragem.space/youtube/video/KoncJlonKSQ
20:17 TR Bot; Google wants to REPLACE LINUX?, GNOME 43, and Unreal Engine on Linux - Linux and Open Source News - Invidious
20:18 TR News; GNOME 43 to add Device Security Settings with Anti-Linux Boot status & HSI Level | UbuntuHandbook https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/07/gnome-43-device-security/ Source: UbuntuHandbook | FreeSW | GNU | Linux | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2022/07/gnome-43-device-security/
20:18 TR Bot; GNOME 43 to add Device Security Settings with Secure Boot status & HSI Level | UbuntuHandbook
20:19 TR News; Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, July 22, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) https://www.fsf.org/events/fsd-20220721-irc
20:19 TR Bot; Free Software Directory meeting on IRC: Friday, July 22, starting at 12:00 EDT (16:00 UTC) Free Software Foundation Working together for free software
20:20 TR News; Notice how they skip Microsoft while using Microsoft lobbyists' vocabulary https://www.accessnow.org/tech-investors-social-change-human-rights-proposals-shareholders-guide/
20:20 TR Bot; How the world's biggest investors could transform Big Tech - Access Now
20:22 TR News; Dell and Ubuntu certify latest model of XPS 13 ultrabook http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167482#comment-34409
20:22 TR Bot; Dell XPS 13 Plus Developer Edition Laptop Is Now Certified for Ubuntu 22.04 LTS | Tux Machines
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20:23 TR News; Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill Prohibiting Predatory Broadband Data Caps - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-prohibiting-predatory-broadband-data-caps/ Source: publicknowledge | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-prohibiting-predatory-broadband-data-caps/
20:23 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill Prohibiting Predatory Broadband Data Caps - Public Knowledge
20:24 TR News; Packaging and logging gopher://uberspace.net:70/0/~defanor/phlog/packaging-and-logging.rst
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20:27 TR News; Moral dissent or conscientious leanings arent tolerated by Microsoft and its media operatives; diligent adherence to or insistence on facts are seen as an act of heresy and punished severely http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/careers-as-microsoft-mouthpieces/
20:29 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22070842
20:29 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/2lm78xq735a91.png created on 2022-07-08 12:02:37.071640
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20:31 TR News; This coffee machine lets you know when youve had too much caffeine | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/this-coffee-machine-lets-you-know-when-youve-had-too-much-caffeine/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/this-coffee-machine-lets-you-know-when-youve-had-too-much-caffeine/
20:31 TR Bot; This coffee machine lets you know when you've had too much caffeine | Arduino Blog
20:31 TR News; Equipping a go-kart with an omni wheel for endless drifting | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/equipping-a-go-kart-with-an-omni-wheel-for-endless-drifting/ Source: Arduino | Hardware | OpenHardware | Hacking | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//blog.arduino.cc/2022/07/21/equipping-a-go-kart-with-an-omni-wheel-for-endless-drifting/
20:31 TR Bot; Equipping a go-kart with an omni wheel for endless drifting | Arduino Blog
20:32 TR News; Chrome is a security hole https://chromereleases.googleblog.com/2022/07/stable-channel-update-for-desktop_19.html
20:32 TR Bot; Chrome Releases: Stable Channel Update for Desktop
20:33 TR News; Proprietary software hole, severity CVSS v3 9.8 (OUT OF 10!!!), media won't mention it because it's not "LINUX" or "OPEN SOURCE" https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-04
20:33 TR Bot; ICONICS Suite and Mitsubishi Electric MC Works64 Products | CISA
20:34 TR News; Microsoft .NET https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-04
20:35 TR News; "software is running at the SYSTEM level" = WINDOWS. MICROSOFT. Severity: "CVSS v3 8.6" (out of 10) https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-03
20:35 TR Bot; Rockwell Automation ISaGRAF Workbench | CISA
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20:36 TR News; "Successful exploitation of this vulnerability could allow an unauthenticated user to access Metasys web API and enumerate users." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-02
20:36 TR Bot; Johnson Controls Metasys ADS, ADX, OAS | CISA
20:37 TR News; Accenture (Microsoft proxy) reports 9.6 (out of 10 in severity) hole https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-05
20:37 TR Bot; AutomationDirect Stride Field I/O | CISA
20:39 TR News; As usual, CIA conveniently leaves out the fact that this is Microsoft Windows (from the original: "HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run\java-sdk" https://us-cert.cisa.gov/ncas/current-activity/2022/07/21/cnmf-discloses-malware-ukraine
20:39 TR Bot; CNMF Discloses Malware in Ukraine | CISA
20:41 TR News; "low-privileged user to create and write to a file anywhere on the file system as system" -> Microsoft Windows again. CISA won't tell you that! Must read between the lines. https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ics/advisories/icsa-22-202-01
20:41 TR Bot; ABB Drive Composer, Automation Builder, Mint Workbench | CISA
20:42 TR News; CISA: keep using things with back doors in them. It's for "security"... "national security", i.e. we being in control of all your systems and thus your life
20:44 TR News; ...today, Thursday, CISA disclosed almost half a dozen very severe flaws in Windows systems, without even once mentioning the words Microsoft or Windows. Several times the severity was almost 10 out of 10.
20:44 schestowitz[TR2]; fake security
20:44 schestowitz[TR2]; like Mr. GAFAM
20:44 schestowitz[TR2]; back doors
20:44 schestowitz[TR2]; good fdor you
20:44 schestowitz[TR2]; saved your day
20:44 schestowitz[TR2]; ask Microsoft for the back door
20:44 schestowitz[TR2]; thanks, Microsoft
20:44 schestowitz[TR2]; your back doors... are DELICIOUS :-)
20:45 earthling; IBM Microsoft Wintel PC itself IS the malware, the backdoor
20:45 earthling; the only way to remove the backdoor is wiping IBM Micros~1 Wintel PC itself
20:46 schestowitz[TR2]; that'\s also true
20:48 TR News; How to install ChromeOS Flex the hard way https://www.aboutchromebooks.com/how-to/how-to-install-chromeos-flex-the-hard-way/ Source: aboutchromebooks | Gemini address: gemini://gemi.dev/cgi-bin/waffle.cgi/view?https%3A//www.aboutchromebooks.com/how-to/how-to-install-chromeos-flex-the-hard-way/
20:48 TR Bot; How to install ChromeOS Flex the hard way
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20:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
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21:10 TR News; Links 21/07/2022: More GNU/Linux Laptops and More Typical FUD Against Linux | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/links-21072022-more-gnulinux-laptops-and-more-typical-fud-against-linux/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/links-21072022-more-gnulinux-laptops-and-more-typical-fud-against-linux/
21:10 TR Bot; Links 21/07/2022: More GNU/Linux Laptops and More Typical FUD Against Linux | Techrights
21:10 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167506
21:10 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines
21:13 TR News; Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt Aginst Linux, CISA Still Covering Up for Microsoft Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167507
21:13 TR Bot; Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt Aginst Linux, CISA Still Covering Up for Microsoft | Tux Machines
21:13 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167508
21:13 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:13 TR News; Mozilla, Chrome, and Drupal Updates Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167509
21:13 TR Bot; Mozilla, Chrome, and Drupal Updates | Tux Machines
21:14 TR News; Devices: Projects in Buzzword ("IoT") and Arduino Space Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167510
21:14 TR Bot; Devices: Projects in Buzzword ("IoT") and Arduino Space | Tux Machines
21:14 TR News; Red Hat / Fedora / IBM Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167511
21:14 TR Bot; Red Hat / Fedora / IBM Leftovers | Tux Machines
21:14 TR News; GNU: GNOME, GUADEC, and the Free Software Directory (FSD) Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167512
21:14 TR Bot; GNU: GNOME, GUADEC, and the Free Software Directory (FSD) | Tux Machines
21:14 TR News; Googles Weird Commitment to Linux' Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167513
21:15 DaemonFC; schestowitz I'm wrapping up my review of SeaMonkey.
21:15 schestowitz[TR2]; good
21:15 schestowitz[TR2]; it has not changed
21:15 schestowitz[TR2]; the www did
21:15 DaemonFC; Yeah, that's kind of where I'm going with this.
21:16 TR Bot; Google's Weird Commitment to 'Linux' | Tux Machines
21:16 schestowitz[TR2]; thw web is proprietary shit disguised as "open" and "standards"
21:16 schestowitz[TR2]; it has been reduced from open to "choicE"
21:16 schestowitz[TR2]; you get a CHOICE..
21:16 schestowitz[TR2]; between MONOPOLIES
21:16 schestowitz[TR2]; and clones of MONOPOLIES
21:16 schestowitz[TR2]; all from one country
21:16 schestowitz[TR2]; all tied to military interests
21:16 schestowitz[TR2]; all disregarding privacy and security
21:17 schestowitz[TR2]; DaemonFC: next tuxmachines will have gemini support
21:17 schestowitz[TR2]; native
21:17 schestowitz[TR2]; parity
21:17 earthling; nice
21:17 schestowitz[TR2]; gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/new.gmi
21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; I'll then update the bot to give the gemnini url for tuxmachines
21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; the web is not ours
21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; few companies 'stole' it
21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; the broesers
21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; and the domains
21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; and the CAs
21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; they swallow the whol,e thing
21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; social control media, a couple hundre CAs in a cabal/cartel
21:18 schestowitz[TR2]; and few email providers
21:19 schestowitz[TR2]; everything else presumed "spam"
21:19 schestowitz[TR2]; and they all push "webmail
21:19 earthling; apropos email
21:19 schestowitz[TR2]; "wherew real encryption is impossible
21:19 schestowitz[TR2]; e2ee with dodgy JS
21:19 schestowitz[TR2]; in proprietary browser
21:19 earthling; i would have registered with libera, if i could have anonymized email
21:20 techuser; disposable ones work
21:20 techuser; though some (many?) are banned
21:20 techuser; fuck Libera though
21:20 bagira; they're not going to give you that earthling, they need to be able to identify you so they can control who participates in foss
21:21 earthling; bagira: that's ok
21:21 britney; i like protonmail and tutanota
21:21 bagira; earthling: i can confirm first hand they have a channel that the network dumps registrations to as well, and if they see a disposable email account they'll kline. i have even tested by putting hints in the password and they'll spot it right away.
21:22 techuser; they are both shit, but at least "trustworthy" registrable shit
21:22 earthling; i am not interest in registering with libera
21:22 techuser; another account if k-line
21:22 techuser; use matrix.org and Element to register
21:22 techuser; over Tor
21:22 bagira; yeah i just cycle through identities all day on there, its all automated
21:22 earthling; so far, noone was willing to touch my unregistered nickname yet, and they know who i am by the means of what i say
21:23 bagira; i am like 3 people that actively participate in various projects there and they think they're 3 different people
21:23 earthling; moment ago i was muted for 24h, which is OK too, as long as i can say what i want, and what had to be said was
21:25 britney; you know the name "earthling" is something an alien (perhaps reptilian) might use to pretend to be human
21:25 earthling; britney: my real nickname is aggi
21:25 bagira; what i do for anonymity is i use a "network profile" "brand" for each one, and i use a separate one for myself to calibrate what theyre looking for, so, they see "linode, this domain, must be bagira"
21:25 bagira; and then my alts all have completely different fingerprints
21:26 britney; yo dawg, we herd u liked surveillance so we put surveillance inside your surveillance so you can get watched while you get watched
21:27 DaemonFC; "Point is, unless something changes drastically, I'm just simply not sure where the future of the Web is going. Nowhere good, I'm sure. You can already just barely get an ad blocker for SeaMonkey, and it's because Raymond Hill still cares that there are users who find it useful."
21:28 DaemonFC; "As for other extension developers, they don't seem to be paying SeaMonkey any attention. If they did, they'd also have to keep a version of a Firefox "WebExtension" around. It's not like SeaMonkey got to retain its powerful "XUL" extensions. It gave that up when it brought in the "Firefox Quantum" version of Gecko. "
21:28 TR News; Soccer converging with films industry... https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/together-champions-again-trailer-63793910
21:28 TR Bot; Coming soon | Together: Champions Again!
21:28 DaemonFC; "Firefox is an ongoing disaster with SeaMonkey in tow."
21:28 bagira; i think firefox is still recovering from the mr. robot scandal
21:29 DaemonFC; "I can only imagine how the developers of SeaMonkey must feel about this. From the outside looking in, I'd compare it to being in the car with a drunk driver."
21:29 DaemonFC; schestowitz ^
21:29 DaemonFC; How's that sounding?
21:30 IPFS; () Planet Gemini updated. Latest complete date at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-20.gmi and so far today at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/2022-07-21.gmi with 3-day aggregate at gemini://gemini.techrights.org/planet/othercapsules/allinone.gmi
21:30 britney; earthling, what was that software you use to get a tiling wm inside the terminal?
21:30 DaemonFC; I checked in on Pale Moon. That's going even worse than it was before.
21:30 earthling; on github, my nickname was hijacked though, i am not aggi on github
21:30 DaemonFC; There was a major drama bomb a while back where one of the developers got into a slap fight with "M.C. Straver" and started sabotaging the project.
21:30 earthling; britney: dvtm terminal multiplexer (spawned on top of yaft)
21:32 bagira; in all fairness "M.C. Straver" does sound like a WWE wrestler name
21:32 prurigro; earthling: as someone who uses a terminal for basically everything except web browsing, image editing and some chat programs, that sounds interesting- how do you find it compared to tmux?
21:33 earthling; prurigro: tmux is good quality software, dvtm is easier to hack and customize
21:33 MinceR; (dog) https://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/shittydawg.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/dave-shittydawg#comic )
21:33 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
21:34 prurigro; I have a fairly customized tmux setup going, but I guess if I wanted to extend it with something it straight up doesn't do I'd have a hard time without patching the source code
21:34 prurigro; are there any cool things you've configured it to do?
21:34 britney; prurigro, earthling doesn't use anything he hasn't personally inspected by reading the code himself
21:35 earthling; another problem, i bundled various components, yaft,dvtm,abduco,patches,configs into a package called dmux
21:35 prurigro; I'd like to be able to say the same, but once you're in gui land it starts getting difficult to audit everything
21:35 earthling; in fact, what i prefer over tmux is a fully integrated terminal "desktop environment" which i named dmux
21:36 TR News; KDB again https://www.mancity.com/citytv/mens/manchester-city-club-america-highlights-63793949
21:36 TR Bot; Highlights: City 2-1 Club America
21:36 prurigro; DE stuff? like a task bar and notifications?
21:36 DaemonFC; bagirain all fairness "M.C. Straver" does sound like a WWE wrestler name
21:37 britney; DaemonFC, I miss Eddie Guererro
21:37 DaemonFC; Tune in Friday night as M.C. Straver takes on THE UNDERTAKER! Let's get ready to RUMBLLLLLLLLEEEEEE!!!!!!
21:37 britney; I lie, I cheat, I steal!
21:37 britney; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUHIm-besFw
21:37 TR Bot; https://invidious.weblibre.org/watch?v=kUHIm-besFw
21:37 TR Bot; invidious.weblibre.org | Eddie Guerrero 9th WWE Theme Song "Lie, Cheat & Steal" - Invidious
21:38 earthling; prurigro: there was various tiny missing pieces, such as session timeout, screensaver integration, kernel keyboard mappings, status bar, etc. etc.
21:39 earthling; i didn't like the mouse support of yaft, re-implemented this to have a tiny copy-paste buffer at least
21:39 prurigro; a screensaver even, haha, crazy! does the session timeout lock it?
21:40 earthling; of cause it does
21:40 britney; earthling is pretty cool, i'd never be able to handle running a TUI
21:40 earthling; although, this depends on use case, because dvtm too can be used for "screen sharing" over ssh, really depends
21:40 prurigro; yaft's 256 colour support sounds nice vs a vterm
21:41 earthling; prurigro: it is!
21:41 bagira; DaemonFC: i lost track of all of that while it was still WWF and not WWE
21:41 bagira; around the time mankind retired
21:42 earthling; and it got sixel support too, fully compatible with ssh... nothing extra necessary
21:42 prurigro; the colour thing drove me crazy trying to get a nice terminal setup I didn't need to rely on xorg for- and sixel would be super key if you were going full terminal wouldn't it
21:43 earthling; it's not that simple, nonetheless, sixel support fills a niche nicely
21:43 bagira; prurigro: instead of tmux i just use i3 and a single term, i only use tmux or screen for when i need persistence
21:43 DaemonFC; I don't know much about "professional wrestling" other than that hilarious N64 game whose graphics were so bad that it looked like one of them was butt raping the other one and I got weird looks whenever I laughed at it.
21:43 earthling; which is, i can attach to any dmux session over ssh, and see pictures
21:43 prurigro; I was thinking the other day, if you could have a simple html parser create a jpg out of an html email, you could use sixel to display it
21:43 earthling; or gemini
21:44 earthling; too i tested mplayer libsdl1/sixel output, which worked on top of suckless st terminal
21:44 earthling; i could watch video over ssh now
21:44 prurigro; bagira: how do you manage having tons of stuff running? fg?
21:44 earthling; with yaft there is some bug remaining
21:44 DaemonFC; Nintendo has a really long history of making awful consoles that for whatever reason, they work out anyway.
21:44 bagira; prurigro: workspaces and keyboard combos
21:45 DaemonFC; They always have a better ratio of good title to absolute crap than Microsoft or Sony, even though the latter just throw processing power at the problem and sit back and light cigars on fire while the developers do whatever the hell they want to with the console.
21:45 prurigro; ah, so multiple terminals? the issue I have there is that you can't access the same setup nicely over ssh
21:46 DaemonFC; Nintendo games are always more rewarding to play. Like, you're proud of yourself because you kept getting killed until you stopped to think about how to solve this for a minute.
21:46 bagira; prurigro: yes i have about 40 terms and 200 browser tabs across many windows open at any given point in time, so, it comes in handy
21:46 prurigro; earthling: yo that's crazy- I remember back in the day using... I think svgalib? to play videos in mplayer without X11. I didn't realize sixel could be performant in the same way
21:46 DaemonFC; The XBOX and Playstation tend to have games that are all a bunch of "Oh I'll just go in there with a bunch of guns and kill everything that's moving.".
21:46 DaemonFC; Once you figure out how to do that, the game progresses.
21:46 prurigro; over ssh is even crazier
21:47 earthling; prurigro: sixel are very very very slow, with mplayer/sdl1/sixel of ffmpeg/sixel
21:47 DaemonFC; I was a huge fan of SEGA though, until their Microsoft deal put them under.
21:47 bagira; sega was timeless
21:47 DaemonFC; They were paying Microsoft for shit-ass Windows CE, which the thing didn't even need because it already had a GREAT operating system.
21:48 earthling; just wanted to see, if it was possible, to transfer some surveillance cam dat
21:48 earthling; dat
21:48 bagira; i still have sonic 2 levels burned into my permanent memory
21:48 DaemonFC; Then they got shot in the back by Microsoft after handing them their last remaining cash.
21:48 earthling; data
21:48 DaemonFC; schestowitz ^
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21:48 DaemonFC; That's also timeless. Companies handing Microsoft a pile of cash and going bankrupt only to get shot in the back by Microsoft.
21:49 DaemonFC; Ubuntu has a version of this going on with a twist. Hand all of our customers over to Microsoft by telling them to use WSL instead of Ubuntu, and then get shot in the back by Microsoft.
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21:49 prurigro; earthling: ahh ok, that's more like what I would have expected, but still very cool that you can. how do you play videos you want running at a decent frame rate?
21:50 earthling; prurigro: i use what was always good enough before, mplayer-1.4/libsdl1/fbcon
21:50 bagira; lol fwiw the engineers who insist WSL is a worthy development environment consistently fail
21:51 prurigro; earthling: mplayer because mpv dropped framebuffer suport?
21:52 earthling; prurigro: there was some _nasty_ changes in the dependency graph in userspace (putting aside kernel and DRM inside there)
21:52 earthling; i will keep it at mplayer1.4/libsdl1/fbcon; no libdrm/mesa/opengl, none of this
21:53 britney; earthling, have you ever considered running Plan9?
21:53 prurigro; bagira: I know two people who've been using WSL- both have had major breakages, one tried to upgrade ubuntu right after installing it (you should never ever upgrade ubuntu, so maybe we can't blame WSL here? but it was a vanilla install lol), and the other lost a ton of important work when the filesystem image decided to corrupt itself randomly
21:53 earthling; britney: i couldn't easily say yes, although more than once i did arrive at reading about it
21:53 bagira; dont run plan9 unless its for research
21:53 prurigro; earthling: and it still plays modern video files?
21:53 bagira; its educational, truly, but you dont want to actually use it for stuff
21:54 DaemonFC; "To give an example of how badly "mail" has devolved under Microsoft, one of my attorneys PAYS them for Microsoft "365". It crashes all the time, it loses attachments. It's a complete disaster. I had to resort to uploading sensitive documents onto a Google Drive and then deleting them as soon as she told me she had it(!) to get around Microsoft's shit that people actually pay for!"
21:54 britney; bagira, what do you run?
21:54 bagira; britney: surro linux
21:54 earthling; prurigro: modern how?
21:54 britney; bagira, i use arch btw
21:54 prurigro; earthling: vp9, for example
21:54 earthling; i keep it at software-decoding _only_, which limits maximum resolution of cause, with a low-power cortex a53
21:55 earthling; prurigro: didn't try, moment, need to check what i compiled ffmpeg with
21:55 britney; bagira, i use gnome, firefox, brave, element, discord, hexchat, vlc, keepassxc
21:55 prurigro; ahh even 1.4 was using ffmpeg eh?
21:56 earthling; prurigro: if it is media-libs/libvpx i didn't activate this with ffmpeg, seems i missed that one
21:56 prurigro; maybe it always was? for some reason I felt like it came with its own codecs back in like 2001 or so- I remember EU software patents were going to shut it down because of those at one point
21:57 MinceR; britney: you should make a fork of Arch called "Arch BTW"
21:57 britney; MinceR, LOL but its the trademark phrase of arch linux already
21:57 britney; my hostname is "archbtw" tho lol
21:57 MinceR; well, that solves it
21:57 prurigro; "arch btw" is definitely a maymay
21:58 MinceR; you could install void, set hostname to "archbtw"
21:58 MinceR; and "i'm using archbtw"
21:59 earthling; strangely i missed the vpx use flag... i'll try with the next release
21:59 prurigro; oh funny- not that you really need it until you find a file you want to play that uses it
21:59 britney; i have a freebsd virtual machine called "freebsdbtw"
21:59 earthling; if libvpx doesn't contain any c++ or cmake and is C99 complaint then chances are it will compile just fine
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22:01 prurigro; c++ is bad for your setup?
22:01 britney; c++ is bad for anyones setup
22:01 earthling; prurigro: i invested almost a year of work to remove ALL c++ dependencies from userspace
22:01 prurigro; lol, touche
22:01 bagira; oh it is not
22:01 bagira; c++ is fine
22:01 britney; c++ is trash
22:02 britney; http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/
22:02 TR Bot; C++ is Good for the Economy, It Creates Jobs!
22:02 prurigro; I definitely prefer nice, clean C if I can get it, but I've never turned down C++
22:02 bagira; what screws up C++ is about a third of the syntax features shouldn't be used
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22:02 DaemonFC; I found a can of smoked herring.
22:02 bagira; ok two thirds
22:02 MinceR; C won't be nice or clean at the code size C++ was designed for
22:02 earthling; i do maintain various toolchains/cross-compilers, and any c++ component is easily added again, that's not my argument
22:02 MinceR; i've seen people trying to do with C and it was very error-prone
22:03 earthling; anyone willing to add any c++ with related compiler dependencies etc may do so
22:03 MinceR; s/to do with/to do OOP with/
22:03 earthling; however, it was rather difficult to remove it and keep a useful userspace, which i got now with a custom c-only toolchain system profile maintained with gentoo
22:04 prurigro; what was your goal? just to make it easier to audit everything?
22:04 earthling; many reasons, technical arguments, the conclusions drawn from this may differ
22:05 TR News; Watch Techrights closely the next 3 days for explosive leaks regarding software patents at EPO
22:05 earthling; prurigro: i had enough of this when g++ hit OOM regularly, 1GiB of RAM per g++ instance didn't suffice anymore
22:05 prurigro; MinceR: there are large projects that use C and seem to run well- linux is largely C is it not?
22:05 prurigro; earthling: ahh, it's more of a technical limitation eh?
22:05 MinceR; and they're desperate to switch to rust
22:05 MinceR; also, linux is bloated
22:06 earthling; another reason was, gcc was re-implemented in c++, hence i blocked at gcc-4.7, and for the sake of it fck the rest
22:06 prurigro; they're not rewriting linux in rust, they're just adding support- like support for C++ exists
22:06 prurigro; at least based on what I've read
22:06 earthling; prurigro: it is NOT possible anymore to compile linux kernel with a C-compiler
22:06 britney; im learning Golang as my first language because i dont like python
22:06 prurigro; yeah, that's a bit of a shame
22:06 earthling; it is the coffin nail drilled into both the linux and gcc
22:07 prurigro; lol @ "Arguing that Java is better than C++ is like arguing that grasshoppers taste better than tree bark. Thant Tessman"
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22:07 earthling; OpenJDK is implemented with c++
22:08 DaemonFC; Fedora 37 is dropping 32-bit OpenJDK.
22:08 prurigro; you're not missing much by losing support for java apps
22:08 DaemonFC; Allegedly because nobody is sure of what it does if you use it and they can't be bothered to find out.
22:09 DaemonFC; Just going ahead and killing more of 32-bit x86 leaves them with fewer oddities to figure outl
22:10 britney; <prurigro> lol @ "Arguing that Java is better than C++ is like arguing that grasshoppers taste better than tree bark. Thant Tessman" <-- what about CRICKETS
22:10 DaemonFC; Most people don't need Java anymore because the main use for it was to run things hosted on Web sites.
22:10 *techuser (~techuser@wz25ypbnwcimn.irc) has joined #techrights
22:10 DaemonFC; They finally bloated the Web so much that allowing Java in the browser just "complicates" things the Web platform already does.
22:10 MinceR; (cat) (audio) https://i.imgur.com/a97XldG.mp4
22:11 MinceR; britney: they taste like chicken?
22:11 prurigro; britney: everyone loves crickets, everyone will eat crickets- it's the way of the future! THE WAY OF THE FUTURE!!!
22:11 britney; https://cerberusinvestigations.neocities.org/reptilian-agenda.html
22:11 TR Bot; Cerberus Investigations - The Reptilian Agenda
22:11 prurigro; MinceR: a friend has some mexican salsa with crickets in it and said they're very very crunchy
22:11 MinceR; :)
22:11 britney; prurigro, that sounds awesome
22:11 prurigro; likely crunchier than chicken skin
22:11 britney; i actually want to try crickets
22:12 britney; chocolate covered crickets might be fun
22:12 MinceR; britney: that's the third time you spammed that exact URL
22:12 britney; MinceR, yeah it mentions the conspiracy to put crickets in food
22:12 britney; reptilians like bugs
22:12 MinceR; so exciting.
22:12 MinceR; do they also like humans?
22:13 DaemonFC; Raping underage ones.
22:13 prurigro; they must if they're helping us maintain our protein levels
22:13 DaemonFC; The Democrats were infiltrated by them and President Trump was about to personally arrest them all.
22:13 MinceR; maybe we'll also have long pig
22:13 DaemonFC; That's why he had to be stopped, you know.
22:13 prurigro; maybe not to eat
22:14 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk01eeKMD_I
22:14 TR Bot; https://invidious.esmailelbob.xyz/watch?v=dk01eeKMD_I
22:14 TR Bot; invidious.esmailelbob.xyz | It's a Cookbook!!! - Invidious
22:14 DaemonFC; What I can't tell is how the Republican Party managed to turn Trump, a guy who is so grossly obese and out of shape and senile, and old, that he can barely make it down a few steps, into someone that's 10 feet tall, shitting bullets, and the essence of manhood.
22:15 MinceR; easy
22:15 MinceR; they didn't.
22:15 prurigro; yeah, that was all people on twitter making memes
22:29 DaemonFC; schestowitz I'm still going on into another phase of this article.
22:29 DaemonFC; Into how SeaMonkey isn't the problem. The Web is a problem. And I linked two of Richard Stallman's articles about that, which I agree with.
22:30 schestowitz[TR2]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TjXzu6IfXYI
22:30 TR Bot; Hail Hydra English / German |HD| MARVEL FILM - Invidious
22:32 britney; DaemonFC, you're using an old browser and you're complaining that the web evolved?
22:32 schestowitz[TR2]; lol, he looks like the guy in EPO who piushed swpats right nnow https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_AUs3J995Fc
22:33 TR Bot; Arnim Zola Alive In A Computer Part 2 - Captain America The Winter Soldier 2014 - Invidious
22:33 schestowitz[TR2]; eber
22:33 schestowitz[TR2]; weber
22:33 schestowitz[TR2]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=KyEDA0f2MzA
22:33 TR Bot; Captain America First Avenger (2011) - Berlin is on This Map - Invidious
22:38 TR News; 3 Distros for Linux Newcomers Who Just Want to Get Work Done Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167514
22:38 TR Bot; 3 Distros for Linux Newcomers Who Just Want to Get Work Done | Tux Machines
22:38 TR News; Stable Kernels: 5.15.56, 5.10.132, 5.4.207, 4.19.253, 4.14.289, and 4.9.324 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167515
22:38 TR Bot; Stable Kernels: 5.15.56, 5.10.132, 5.4.207, 4.19.253, 4.14.289, and 4.9.324 | Tux Machines
22:38 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167516
22:38 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines
22:42 schestowitz[TR2]; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=xmAlBzxYTHk
22:42 TR Bot; Winter Soldier: End Credits - Invidious
22:42 schestowitz[TR2]; I cannot find the bonus segment fof winter soldier
22:45 DaemonFC; schestowitz This may be the longest thing I've ever posted.
22:45 DaemonFC; Already.
22:46 DaemonFC; It's going back and forth between a description of SeaMonkey and a diatribe against the Web and people who use Cloud Computing.
22:46 DaemonFC; With an occasional detour to blast Firefox, Mozilla, and Chrome.
22:47 bagira; i wonder if brandon ever lit his pipe in the white house
22:48 bagira; we know snoop dogg hotboxed a j in the white house bathroom, but brandon may hold the title
22:51 britney; DaemonFC, i use brave btw
22:52 DaemonFC; I just called Internet Explorer 11 a better browser than Chrome when Microsoft pulled the plug on IE.
22:52 britney; ewwwww
22:53 bagira; why would anyone believe that
22:53 bagira; its objectively a worse browser
22:55 earthling; it's all spyware by design
22:55 *rsheftel14357 (~rsheftel@freenode-4nq.hn3.1cipql.IP) has joined #techrights
22:55 DaemonFC; I pointed out how even IE TPLs are a better ad blocker than what Manifest V3 will allow in Chrome.
22:55 britney; earthling, you think everything is spyware though
22:55 earthling; no, i don't think so
22:55 bagira; yeah designing anti-ad-block tech into the browser is borderlie unethical
22:55 bagira; *borderline
22:55 MinceR; nothing borderline about it
22:55 britney; earthling, everything except the stuff you run on your rock64 desktop
22:55 earthling; it's useless
22:56 MinceR; but that's what the industry is like
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22:56 earthling; britney: i try to keep it as clean as possible
22:56 MinceR; mozilla and gulag are in this race of "who can make a worse browser"
22:56 britney; MinceR, what is your opinion of Brave?
22:57 MinceR; seems to be an improved chromium
22:57 bagira; lol brave is just chrome with extra steps
22:57 MinceR; pity it doesn't run on any of the BSD-s
22:57 MinceR; hopefully those extra steps remove some malicious behavior
22:57 britney; bagira, brave is chrome without the spyware
22:57 prurigro; brave is a pretty big mod of chromium
22:57 MinceR; they certainly add an ad blocker gulag doesn't get to ruion
22:57 MinceR; s/uio/ui/
22:58 earthling; the only canidate remaining for a graphical browser, which may pass acceptence criteria, is netsurf-motif (not gtk for the sake of it)
22:58 britney; it is a shame that there is no brave for BSD
22:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 26.58 k/sec., IPFS upstream 20.78 average k/sec., average swarm size 0
22:59 britney; I wonder if brave would work in freebsd's linux emulator
11 PM, July 21
23:00 MinceR; i don't care
23:00 bagira; lol
23:00 MinceR; freebsd was taken over and ruined before linux was
23:00 DaemonFC; I called SeaMonkey the Dick Van Dyke of Web browsers. It's still with us, reminding us of a more civilized time.
23:00 britney; MinceR, taken over?
23:00 bagira; MinceR: are you referring to the iX/PCBSD era?
23:00 TR News; [Teaser] EPO President F Delivers Instructions to Georg Weber | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/georg-weber-joke/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/georg-weber-joke/
23:00 TR Bot; [Teaser] EPO President F Delivers Instructions to Georg Weber | Techrights
23:00 earthling; there isn't any browser remaining anymore
23:00 MinceR; mostly to MICROS~1 and apple influence and particularly to the CoC they adopted before Linux did
23:01 earthling; the last firefox passing acceptance criteria was 3.6.28
23:01 prurigro; earthling: no love for dillo?
23:01 MinceR; it would be pointless for me to leave Linux because of the CoC and switch to FreeBSD
23:01 earthling; prurigro: i digged through all of them, what's inside portage tree
23:01 earthling; i cannot remember anymore why i refrained from dillo
23:02 prurigro; not using a gui seems like a reasonable reason for your use case
23:02 earthling; prurigro: dillo depends on FLTK, and FLTK is written in C++
23:02 prurigro; aha!
23:02 earthling; if this is ok for you, nothing wrong with it.
23:03 prurigro; seems like dillo is dead anyway- the domain is gone
23:03 prurigro; which is a shame- it seems like it was still around as recently as april
23:04 earthling; if a graphical browser was desired, i think netsurf-motif port to linux was the candidate
23:04 earthling; i prepared an ebuild for this, it compiles, it runs, it crashes....
23:04 earthling; simply got no time to maintain this, and i got no use for this either
23:04 earthling; because, there isn't any real benefit anymore, in comparison to lynx/w3m/links
23:05 earthling; none of those browsers are sufficient for online banking, navigation of job portals, online shops
23:05 earthling; and web browsers which are, fail with all other criteria
23:05 prurigro; true, sites that don't work in lynx/w3m/links aren't gonna work in anything but webkit, blink or webrender
23:06 earthling; some month ago, i brought back to life some older webkit version, with a custom frontend named BadWolf
23:07 earthling; and removed the WASM support from this... result being then webkit isn't any different to what netsurf or w3m could offer
23:07 earthling; three years ago, i kept maintaining firefox-3.6.28 for another few month... until the python2 dependency nuked compilation
23:08 earthling; firefox 3.6.28 too was more secure than any later version of this
23:08 earthling; it's javascript engine, for example, it didn't violate some W^X policies, which i patches support into linux kernel
23:08 earthling; same thing, firefox 3.6.28, practically useless nowadays
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23:15 earthling; then for some more month, i maintained the last non-Rust version of Seamonkey, until python2 inside buildsystem caused trouble
23:16 earthling; once Seamonkey integrated with rust/llvm, i wiped that once and for all eternity
23:16 matey; then he hung himself in a room full of other hitler-loving cunts and died
23:16 matey; so sad
23:16 matey; heres a riddle
23:17 matey; if 100,000 right wing germans were chained together at the bottom of the ocean
23:17 matey; how the fuck are we supposed to set them on fire?
23:17 schestowitz[TR2]; ask BP for help
23:17 matey; creative
23:17 schestowitz[TR2]; british engineeing
23:17 schestowitz[TR2]; got leaked
23:17 matey; yeah, sometimes its good to have "leaks"
23:18 matey; from corporations
23:18 matey; with bp not always
23:18 schestowitz[TR2]; we have a lak somin
23:18 schestowitz[TR2]; The EPO Bubble Part X A Leaked E-mail Provides Some Clues...
23:18 schestowitz[TR2]; proofreading it now
23:18 schestowitz[TR2]; it mocks an austrian
23:18 matey; the epo really reminds me of dr evils organisation
23:18 schestowitz[TR2]; wait till next meme
23:18 matey; its that much of a caricature
23:18 schestowitz[TR2]; it's ready
23:19 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/hydra-epo.mp4
23:19 matey; of course bezos is exactly like him
23:19 matey; and amazon is enough like what #2 tried to "pivot" towards
23:19 matey; but if epo gets any worse i bet the guy-- battis-- campinos? battistelli ii?
23:20 schestowitz[TR2]; italian name
23:20 matey; will have those push buttons installed so that he can just drop people that work there into some kind of pit or whatever
23:20 matey; "hows the latest report coming on adobe on your mac"
23:20 matey; oops, that the linux-destroying foundation
23:20 matey; MAYBE THEYLL MERGE
23:21 matey; the european linux office
23:21 matey; because the original elo was too cool
23:21 matey; of course "linux" means "patent portfolio"
23:21 matey; but it already means windows, which is basically a patent portfolio
23:21 matey; so it totally works
23:21 matey; "linux" = patents
23:22 matey; linux office = patent office
23:22 earthling; matey: there isn't at least 100000 germans remaing anywhere on earth
23:22 earthling; if you find any tell me
23:22 bagira; did you just use a logical identity property proof to say windows = linux?? :/
23:23 matey; no im being cynical, but really its a parody of what the industry is already doing
23:23 matey; i cant be blamed for parody
23:23 matey; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=x85E2rpa2VQ
23:23 TR Bot; Randy Newman - The Story Of A Rock & Roll Band (Ode to Electric Light Orchestra, ELO) (1980) HD - Invidious
23:23 bagira; A => B, A >> B
23:23 earthling; not so fast, matey called for mass murder publicly in this channel, and i would want to ask some more about this
23:23 matey; no i did not
23:23 bagira; all cower before the modus ponens
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23:23 matey; but youre welcome to say so
23:24 bagira; its a joke
23:24 matey; next to templeos is awesome and einstein is an idiot
23:24 earthling; 2022-07-21 22:17:01 <matey> if 100,000 right wing germans were chained together at the bottom of the ocean 2022-07-21 22:17:09 <matey> how the fuck are we supposed to set them on fire?
23:24 matey; bagira before any wires get crossed, im also replying to what earthling is saying
23:24 bagira; jesus man, germany is one of the most progressive nations on earth these days, let them grow lol
23:25 earthling; germany ceased to exist, decades ago
23:25 earthling; not sure what you're talking about tbh
23:25 bagira; uh
23:25 bagira; huh?
23:25 matey; ill explain
23:25 matey; i know people throw the term "nazi" around to mean "anyone i disagree with"
23:26 matey; with that said, earthling is about as close as you can get to the real thing and still try to deny it
23:26 earthling; matey: not people, you said this.
23:26 earthling; i am referring to what YOU, ONLY YOU, had just said
23:26 matey; earthling: essen mein sheisse
23:26 TR News; The EPO Bubble Part X A Leaked E-mail Provides Some Clues... | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/leaked-email-epo-swpats/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/leaked-email-epo-swpats/
23:26 TR Bot; The EPO Bubble Part X A Leaked E-mail Provides Some Clues | Techrights
23:26 matey; pigdog
23:26 earthling; let me ask, how many need to be killed for you to feel pleasure?
23:26 schestowitz[TR2]; ^^
23:26 matey; actually youre more of a pigdogs arsehole
23:26 bagira; civilization is measured by how we treat the worst elements in society. punching nazis probably feels good but its barbarism at the end of the day.
23:27 earthling; does this elevate your moral superiority over whatever you feel you were?
23:27 matey; rofl you stupid worthless cunt
23:27 matey; people like you killed millions like me, and you think this is an ego thing
23:27 matey; go put a grenade in your mouth and arse and pull the pins
23:27 matey; try to set yourself on fire first
23:27 earthling; i never killed anyone, and among my family there weren't any NAZI party members
23:28 matey; youre still worse than an idiot
23:28 earthling; in fact, among my family, i knew of at least three casualties to bolshevist terror
23:28 matey; people like you dont have the balls to fight
23:28 bagira; you can't teach inclusion and acceptance with exclusion and denial
23:28 matey; but you cheer on war crimes and genocide
23:28 earthling; and now, i am reading this, in here, matey, what you said
23:28 matey; youre a hypocrite to the core, and the only reason someone else SHOULDNT kill you themselves is youre certifiably fucking nuts
23:29 bagira; who's certifiably nuts
23:29 bagira; i speak only truth
23:29 earthling; 2022-07-21 22:17:01 <matey> if 100,000 right wing germans were chained together at the bottom of the ocean
23:29 earthling; 2022-07-21 22:17:09 <matey> how the fuck are we supposed to set them on fire?
23:29 bagira; to fix the human you must acknowledge their humanity
23:30 matey; /me nods
23:30 MinceR; 22 002829 < bagira> you can't teach inclusion and acceptance with exclusion and denial
23:30 MinceR; you can't teach inclusion or acceptance
23:30 bagira; yes you can
23:30 MinceR; but you might be able to defend yourself
23:31 matey; /me has been listening to this literally fascist spew for ages
23:31 matey; of course, in the right wing version of freedom of speech
23:31 matey; you dont have any freedom to talk back to it
23:31 earthling; i am not citing an arbitrary spew
23:31 matey; because that infringes on
23:31 matey; wait... nothing at all
23:31 earthling; i am citing yours, matey, only yours
23:31 bagira; im just saying you can't fix fascism with the concepts it rests on
23:32 matey; thats true, depending obviously on which concepts you mean
23:32 earthling; the concept being matey intends to burn 100000 humans, quote see above
23:32 bagira; you can destroy fascist organizations but the cultural components that created it are still there unless you fight the concepts driving the people, and that requires acknowledgement of their humanity
23:32 earthling; STOP
23:33 earthling; not any arbitrary organization or idealogy
23:33 matey; nein nein nein
23:33 earthling; just what matey said and wants, only this, only him
23:33 TR News; [Meme] So I Wrote an Algorithm | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/removing-freedom-algorithm/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/07/21/removing-freedom-algorithm/
23:33 TR Bot; [Meme] So I Wrote an Algorithm | Techrights
23:33 matey; whenever someone disagrees with him he assumes its arbitrary and unjustified
23:33 MinceR; bagira: how can you defeat the memes someone's mind has already been thoroughly infested with?
23:33 matey; mincer: happens all the time
23:34 matey; maybe not at scale
23:34 matey; /me blames godwin for everything
23:34 bagira; MinceR: by rejecting memeology in its entirely
23:34 MinceR; and?
23:34 matey; i reject any and all influence!
23:34 earthling; i am not presenting this out of context here, just what matey said, only him
23:34 earthling; come on, said it again
23:35 bagira; MinceR: memes are just a kind of propaganda and when you identify it in your interaction as a manipulative conceptual device it gets used less if you raise your expectations of who you're talk to
23:35 matey; earthling: take it up with a tribunal
23:35 matey; maybe the united nations will listen to you
23:35 bagira; *talking
23:36 matey; maybe lieplanet will invade the channel and drag away people who hurt your feelings
23:36 MinceR; bagira: that never worked for me, and afaict it doesn't work for people in general
23:36 bagira; works for me
23:36 earthling; i am not asking any UN or tribunal, i am asking YOU matey
23:36 MinceR; you can expect all you want from e.g. religious zealots and fascists, it isn't going to make them listen to you
23:36 matey; earthling: i dont work for you, i dont answer to you
23:36 MinceR; or to reason
23:36 matey; if you didnt constantly evade it, i wouldnt even see the idiot shit you say
23:37 matey; and if you werent constantally evading with your spam like some cunt selling erection pills via mass email
23:37 matey; i wouldnt respond to you with nastiness
23:37 matey; please feel free to kill yourself
23:37 bagira; i wonder why no one ever talks about the palestinian human rights crisis thats been going on longer than most of us have been alive
23:37 earthling; allright
23:38 earthling; now we got: call for mass murder to please matey
23:38 earthling; and call for suicide to please matey
23:38 bagira; oh. i know. it's because they try to fight back since they know no one is going to help them.
23:38 matey; god its like youre one of kuhns people pretending to be on the other side
23:38 MinceR; bagira: a combination of people not caring and people not believing it can be fixed, i guess
23:38 matey; do you and mjg work together?
23:39 matey; the victim complex is strong
23:40 bagira; kinda hard to talk about modern day fascism without acknowledging what's happening in the gaza strip
23:40 matey; without acknowledging what's happening in the gaza strip <- amen to that
23:41 MinceR; modern day fascism is pretty much everywhere
23:41 bagira; sure, there's history on both sides, but fascism is fascism
23:41 matey; oh its been fascism for ages
23:41 matey; einstein and hannah arendt wrote to the new york times (it was published)
23:41 earthling; 70% of NAZI SA troopers were COMMUNISTS, "beefsteak nazis"
23:41 earthling; go ahead, explain
23:42 matey; complaining that israeli zionists were acting JUST LIKE the nazis he escaped
23:42 MinceR; what a difference!
23:42 matey; earthling, you have the same problem mjg does
23:42 MinceR; fascists with red stars
23:42 matey; you think people owe you an explanation, like its a god-given right
23:42 earthling; and this question was it, which got me banned from "freenode" #politics some years ago
23:42 matey; sorry to disappoint, not sorry
23:42 matey; this
23:42 matey; isnt
23:42 earthling; because supposedly i was conflating this and that, which i didn't
23:42 matey; freenode
23:42 bagira; earthling: i think you're getting hung up on the self-identification of "socialist party" which carried a different implementation than you would associate with socialism by modern definitions
23:42 matey; this is NOTHING like freenode, other than the protocol
23:43 earthling; it is, just a question, what type of mindset that is, which presents itself as "victim" such as matey when calling for mass murder
23:43 matey; the dumbest thing about your question is it was answered
23:43 earthling; poor victim
23:43 matey; RIGHT BEFORE you asked it
23:43 matey; youre just too fucking stupid to see it
23:44 matey; you constantly spew retarded bullshit and you evade filters people set up so they dont have to listen to you shit out of your mouth
23:44 TR News; System76 gives the Oryx Pro laptop a powerful refresh http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/167498#comment-34410
23:44 TR Bot; System76's Oryx Pro Linux Laptop Gets a 12th Gen Intel CPU, NVIDIA RTX 3000 Ti GPUs | Tux Machines
23:44 matey; how many nicks have you used?
23:44 techuser; I used a lot of nicks on Discord
23:45 matey; you dont get banned, no one cares if you do or dont
23:45 techuser; SomeH4x0r was meant to be just another one, just fucked things up
23:45 earthling; i am only swapping nicks in here
23:45 techuser; *SomeHacker actually
23:45 bagira; i cycle through nicks like they're cups of coffee
23:45 matey; you arent doing what hes doing, techuser
23:45 earthling; in oftc/libera/freenode i was known by the same name for many years
23:45 techuser; I was registering a new Discord account each time, new nickname
23:45 matey; there are legitimate reasons to use different nicks
23:45 matey; if this was ban evasion i wouldnt even say anything
23:46 bagira; if i stick with one i like i eventually tie it back to my identity though
23:46 matey; people evade bans. thats an effect of bans being too heavy handed
23:46 techuser; supposedly to say something without it being linked to a single identity
23:46 matey; earthling has a new nick every other day
23:46 matey; ive ignored him like 10 or more times
23:46 matey; it gets old
23:46 techuser; /ignore evasion
23:46 bagira; i'll take that a step further that people are *obligated* to evade bans on shithole exclusionist surveillance-heavy networks
23:47 matey; i'll take that a step further that people are *obligated* to evade bans on shithole exclusionist surveillance-heavy networks <- i dont dispute this
23:47 matey; as i said, if it was ban evasion i wouldnt even say anything
23:47 bagira; make it a blow up every time they take unnecessary action
23:47 earthling; 2022-07-21 22:17:01 <matey> if 100,000 right wing germans were chained together at the bottom of the ocean
23:47 earthling; 2022-07-21 22:17:09 <matey> how the fuck are we supposed to set them on fire?
23:47 matey; youre a moron
23:47 earthling; out of nowhere...
23:47 matey; if you think youre going to spew shit all day
23:47 MinceR; https://files.explosm.net/comics/Kris/easter11.png ( https://explosm.net/comics/kris-easter-11#comic )
23:47 TR Bot; & Happiness (Explosm.net)
23:47 matey; with some right to never have people shit back at you
23:47 matey; youre a moron
23:48 earthling; if at least you could explain, how this is related to the topic discussed before
23:48 matey; ive explained it twice
23:48 earthling; you didn't
23:48 matey; have hermann goering draw you a fucking picture
23:48 bagira; there's a topic? i thought we were just saying that sounds cool until we run out of things to say
23:48 matey; he thinks theres a topic
23:48 matey; hes in his own delusional world
23:48 MinceR; liquid nitrogen
23:48 MinceR; liquid helium
23:49 *psydruid has noticed (some?) Germans really believe in their own exceptionalism and their moral superiority with respect to pretty much every other people, which hints at a severe case of delusion
23:49 bagira; liquid lsd
23:49 matey; #notallgermans
23:49 MinceR; i suspect that's not limited to germans
23:49 matey; really, im not entirely fair to them collectively
23:49 earthling; "Germans"
23:49 matey; limited, no
23:49 matey; its more of a tendency
23:49 MinceR; many people took readily to fascism
23:49 earthling; as far as i can tell, the appeal of moral superiority stems from elsewhere
23:49 MinceR; hungarians, russians, usians for example
23:50 MinceR; serbs
23:50 matey; germans seem to think theyre the only country with a right to oppress other countries
23:50 matey; or perhaps, theyre the only country looked down on for doing so
23:50 MinceR; russians believe the same
23:50 MinceR; red chinese believe the same
23:50 matey; which has to be why they love russia so much
23:50 MinceR; serbs believe the same
23:50 matey; because now theyre both "victims" of a "misunderstanding"
23:50 MinceR; humans are just shit in general
23:54 psydruid; some former East German guy I've talked to in a chat has been saying that he wants to go hunt down Russians (Zorcs) and kill all 166 million of them
23:54 psydruid; when I tell him that is hypocritical and people may have wanted to do the same thing with Germans (I refer to them as Dorcs in this context), he finds all kinds of excuses saying that they have reformed and are much better people now
23:54 bagira; MinceR: theyre a product of their environment
23:54 matey; that would literally be overkill
23:54 matey; some russians are really nice people
23:54 matey; also, the idea that most support this bullshit is propaganda in and of itself
23:55 matey; the main reason america is making it look like ukraine cant lose is they (officially, at the top) want ukranians as "operation get behind the darkies", the albino version
23:55 bagira; MinceR: unless they're an arby's franchise owner who decides they shouldn't put the red ranch sauce on their beef and cheddar, those people can just go to hell
23:55 MinceR; lol
23:55 matey; america pulled the same shit in the same region (with germany) in wwii
23:56 MinceR; yes, there's a nice minority
23:56 matey; im hopeful for ukraine but ive decided not to cheer them on any further
23:56 bagira; wtf is up with arby's these last few years anyway, their bread is like theyve been pulling it out of a freezer since the 90s
23:56 MinceR; which usually doesn't get to have a say in much of what happens
23:56 matey; /me noticed a drop in arbys quality 20 years ago and hasnt gone back
23:57 matey; if theyve dropped again id recommend just diving into the dumpster at kfc, it cant be as bad as arbys is now
23:57 MinceR; dunno, there are no arby's here
23:57 bagira; if theyd just order fresh buns again theyd be a hit again
23:57 matey; well thats one good thing about hungary, if its the only thing
23:57 matey; no arbys
23:57 matey; when tasty period runs out of the genuine article and has to make their own
23:57 matey; instead of just covering the old logo with a marker pen
23:58 matey; that will look like the ritz carlton next to
23:58 matey; etc
23:58 bagira; you know youre doing something wrong when mcdonald's has better bread quality than your food chain
23:58 matey; wendys vs arbys
23:58 matey; round 1-- fight!
23:58 TR News; The EPOs Georg 'HYDRA' Weber looks like some of the baddies in Captain America; it makes jokes hard to resist http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/georg-weber-joke/
23:58 TR Bot; [Teaser] EPO President F Delivers Instructions to Georg Weber | Techrights
23:58 bagira; i am
23:58 bagira; absolutely certain
23:58 bagira; that there is a porn about that
23:58 MinceR; lol
23:59 TR News; European software patents have been ushered in by Benot Battistelli (grant rates soared from 2% to 10%) and leaked communications suggest that Antnio Campinos intends to take this disturbing trend a lot further (whilst attempting to replace European patent courts with his UPC kangaroo courts) http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/leaked-email-epo-swpats/
23:59 TR Bot; The EPO Bubble Part X A Leaked E-mail Provides Some Clues | Techrights
23:59 bagira; ron mcdonald and wendy
23:59 matey; i dunno, japan made a female ronald mcdonald and i havent gotten her out of my head for years
23:59 TR News; Another homage to Georg Weber, who wants to protect coders by taking away their freedom to code with an ocean of European software patents http://techrights.org/2022/07/21/removing-freedom-algorithm/
23:59 TR Bot; [Meme] So I Wrote an Algorithm | Techrights