IRC: #techrights @ Techrights IRC Network: Wednesday, March 16, 2022

beginning of new day, March 16

00:30 kingoffrance; "does that make them the opium smugglers of the masses?" where i come from they like meth :D

00:32 matey; /me skips the obvious one about a meth to their madness

00:32 TR News; "Dublin is not a great city to ride in but the bike is still faster and cheaper than the bus. Hopefully they continue to expand the program and add more stations further from city centre." gemini://sixohthree.com/log/dublin-bikes.gmi

00:33 matey; wait, methodist... damn

00:34 TR News; Gopher: "It is with no doubt, that the phlogosphere is shrinking. This time the (ir)regular Bongusta maintenance was a real slaughter. 17 of the 75 aggregated phlogs didn't have any update in the 2021, were obviously abandoned" gopher://i-logout.cz:70/0/phlog/posts/2022-03-13_bongusta_update_march_2022.txt

00:37 kingoffrance; lol i'll just say lee did not surprise me...

00:38 schestowitz-TR; andrew lee?

00:38 kingoffrance; there's some kind of partnership, who knows

00:38 kingoffrance; yes

00:38 schestowitz-TR; wait, did I miss something?

00:39 kingoffrance; no, ignore me, just ranting

00:39 schestowitz-TR; irc was busy this past day, so I lack content, must have overlooked something

00:39 schestowitz-TR; searched backlog for andrew

00:39 kingoffrance; there's some right wing thug mentality in certain circles

00:39 schestowitz-TR; freenode not mentioned

00:39 kingoffrance; "conservatives" for drugs

00:39 matey; thug mentality?

00:40 kingoffrance; western civilization is at stake!

00:40 kingoffrance; my kingdom IS of this world lol

00:40 schestowitz-TR; thugs is slattery to them

00:40 schestowitz-TR; thugs are thick

00:40 kingoffrance; what did reagan do?

00:40 kingoffrance; its not new

00:40 schestowitz-TR; the more dangerous are the sleek sleazy ones

00:40 kingoffrance; if it fights commies, drugs are cool

00:40 schestowitz-TR; who know how to get away with crimes, unlike thugs

00:40 kingoffrance; did i catch a democrat? lets run a prostitution ring

00:41 kingoffrance; "values" all disappear when there's an election at stake

00:41 matey; they were only a convenience

00:41 MinceR; they existed?

00:41 matey; its like changing desktop wallpaper

00:41 matey; desktop wallpaper is a fun one

00:42 matey; youd think wallpaper would be on a wall, not on a desk

00:42 matey; but on a computer this makes sense now

00:42 matey; desktop wallpaper-- why not?

00:43 matey; web browser toilet paper

00:43 MinceR; :>

00:44 kingoffrance; i am not suggesting the other "side" is any different. just when people think they are being 'attacked' anything goes...

00:44 matey; emoji /me throws someone out of the queue

00:44 matey; "whats all this then?"

00:44 matey; "he was attacking me"

00:44 matey; "attacking you? he was just standing there"

00:45 matey; "well, he was standing in my way"

00:45 matey; "i dont follow you, friend"

00:45 matey; "its an election year!"

00:46 matey; kingoffrance: i think its much worse than that. its not just elections, its any opportunity of significant proportions, regardless of the season

00:47 matey; elections do happen to be (some sort of) opportunity of significant proportions

00:48 matey; libreplanet for example, isnt an election (as far as i know)

00:48 matey; it seems to be THE opportunity for revolutionary (or counterrevolutionary) struggles within the free software world though

00:49 matey; 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022

00:49 matey; like if backstabbers moved christmas to a time that worked better with their-- actually isnt libreplanet in december already?

00:50 matey; oh no, it is in march! coming up soon

00:56 TR News; "A vaccine can take more than 10 years to fully develop" http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/vaccine-development.jpg

00:57 TR News; Use neither. Use a real phone, not a spying machine (that can also make calls). https://www.maketecheasier.com/block-number-android-iphone/

00:57 TR Bot; How to Block a Number on Android and iPhone - Make Tech Easier

00:58 TR News; "Last night I built EasyOS 3.4.2 and uploaded it ...woke up this morning and decided to test it a bit more before announcing. Aaaargh! ...the Dunfell desktop in a container doesn't work!" https://bkhome.org/news/202203/xephyr-nested-server-missing.html

00:58 TR Bot; Xephyr nested server missing

1 AM, March 16

01:05 immibis; "A vaccine can take more than 10 years to fully develop" yeah, fully. This is tech, we know how useful prototypes can be, and how many hacks pass testing and make it into production and work just fine. Who writes these things?

01:06 matey; /me puts more tape on the tcp/ip stack

01:06 matey; thanks ive been meaning to get around to that

01:07 matey; then again, medical protoypes have had their ups and downs

01:07 matey; so has the t key on his keyboard

01:09 matey; imagine if you could just replace the little rubber domes every year or two

01:10 matey; theyre not even hard to remove or put back

01:14 schestowitz-TR; a few faulty keys spoil the whole keyboard

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01:14 schestowitz-TR; and you are better off buying a new one

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01:15 schestowitz-TR; doing backups and tidying up file systems tonight

01:15 schestowitz-TR; turns out thousands were reading the articles about DDG yesterday

01:16 schestowitz-TR; we must be doing very heavy damage to DDG

01:16 schestowitz-TR; lots of view every day for years

01:16 schestowitz-TR; DDG is a Microsoft funnel

01:17 kingoffrance; matey, well its the left/right nonsense

01:17 kingoffrance; if you arent with me, DESTROY

01:18 kingoffrance; *if in my little one dimensional view you are not with me

01:18 matey; surely theres a point to fighting if you know what youre doing

01:18 kingoffrance; ^ yes, thats a big assumption

01:18 matey; though its hard to know what youre doing when everything gets reduced to red team blue team

01:19 matey; since the real world is nothing like that

01:19 kingoffrance; there used to be a trinity to prevent that is the irony

01:19 schestowitz-TR; kingoffrance: it's a binary/dual divide and rule

01:19 schestowitz-TR; in India the British did that

01:19 schestowitz-TR; Islam and Hundu

01:19 schestowitz-TR; in Iraq, shia and sunni

01:19 matey; the british were worth defeating though

01:20 schestowitz-TR; it helps distract from real occupiers

01:20 schestowitz-TR; people are busy trying to classify everyone

01:20 matey; but their classification sucks

01:20 schestowitz-TR; people tried that against techrights of course

01:20 schestowitz-TR; because we focus on the real issue

01:21 schestowitz-TR; and they would rather we play with poo

01:21 schestowitz-TR; and offend people

01:21 schestowitz-TR; not corporations but people

01:21 matey; people matter more than corporations?

01:21 schestowitz-TR; no, not the point

01:22 matey; oh thats not the real issue

01:22 schestowitz-TR; I mean, don't frame it like that

01:22 matey; whats the real issue?

01:22 schestowitz-TR; people have feelings

01:22 matey; "not corporations but people" sounded like a good start at least

01:22 schestowitz-TR; corporations and money are made-up concepts

01:22 schestowitz-TR; so you could in theory eliminate or replace them

01:23 matey; except they hold the most power

01:23 matey; even though they are made up

01:23 schestowitz-TR; their relationship to living beings does matter

01:23 schestowitz-TR; or technology and people

01:23 schestowitz-TR; like how people get attached to an "instagram account"

01:23 matey; and if people want to stand up to corporations and their abuses, then what?

01:23 schestowitz-TR; 20 years ago nobody was very attachd to a phone

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01:23 schestowitz-TR; at best they add an address book

01:24 schestowitz-TR; and a number/sim card

01:24 schestowitz-TR; which you could recover or reclaim at the barrier

01:24 schestowitz-TR; in case of device loss

01:24 matey; 40 years ago you were only attached to a phone until you hung up

01:24 schestowitz-TR; or if you hung yourelf

01:24 schestowitz-TR; unles the police came

01:24 schestowitz-TR; or a relative

01:24 matey; hanging up seems less drastic

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01:25 matey; but again, if people want to stand up to corporations and their abuses, then what?

01:25 schestowitz-TR; well, dark humour

01:25 matey; sure, no problem

01:25 schestowitz-TR; btw, iirc ian murdoch used the vacuum cleaner's cord for hanging

01:25 schestowitz-TR; and had no shirt on

01:25 schestowitz-TR; if the account I saw was correct

01:25 matey; i thought ian murdock was one of the good guys

01:25 schestowitz-TR; *urdock

01:25 schestowitz-TR; ouch

01:26 schestowitz-TR; force of habit

01:26 matey; yeah the aussie

01:26 schestowitz-TR; maybe he will outlive kissinger

01:26 schestowitz-TR; 15 years more?

01:26 kingoffrance; i hope i dont sound too negative, just seems so many things were already encountered centuries ago and forgotten and things have to repeat

01:26 matey; we can race him against github

01:26 schestowitz-TR; github won't last 15 years

01:26 matey; kingoffrance: the early 1900s especially

01:27 schestowitz-TR; 15 is a long time

01:27 schestowitz-TR; and the arctic vault will be some old joke

01:27 schestowitz-TR; like hitler's bunker

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01:27 matey; with you on the arctic vault

01:27 matey; thats a marketing gimmick

01:27 kingoffrance; i thought he wanted to go there lol

01:27 schestowitz-TR; not just that

01:27 kingoffrance; i read too many weird things lol

01:27 schestowitz-TR; tecgright explained it at the time

01:27 schestowitz-TR; it was a PR stunt to distract from ICE

01:27 matey; at least you read, kingoffrance

01:28 schestowitz-TR; lots of shithub workers, inc. managers, were fleeing in droves

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01:28 schestowitz-TR; so they had to change the news cycle

01:28 schestowitz-TR; like "meta" did with "metaverse"

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01:28 matey; or fsf did with new executive director

01:28 schestowitz-TR; that stoped haugen or whateever her name wa

01:28 schestowitz-TR; *stopped

01:28 schestowitz-TR; cut off the rage cycle

01:28 matey; i mean they had to announce it

01:28 matey; but right when people were like "why no rms"

01:29 schestowitz-TR; fsf distracted from nothing at the time

01:29 schestowitz-TR; unless it was us saying something about no RMS talk

01:29 schestowitz-TR; later in the same day came the announcement

01:29 matey; libreplanet does seem to be the point where everyone (on either side) hates the fsf that much more

01:29 schestowitz-TR; I cannot prove it, but something is amiss for LF/IRC

01:29 schestowitz-TR; and IRS

01:30 schestowitz-TR; and when it's brought up LF flings the whole pipeline at a wall

01:30 matey; it would be news if something at lf was NOT amiss

01:30 schestowitz-TR; so I think it's a thorn on their side

01:30 schestowitz-TR; can someone contact LF to ask?

01:30 schestowitz-TR; I cannot, obviously...

01:30 schestowitz-TR; I am on their naughty list

01:30 schestowitz-TR; ask them why no IRS filing for so long

01:30 schestowitz-TR; and see what they say

01:30 matey; ariadne seems to be on their good side

01:30 schestowitz-TR; let's check the let's encrypt filings

01:31 matey; not that she seems to be a huge fan

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01:31 schestowitz-TR; backup complete for images in techrights 2020-2022

01:31 schestowitz-TR; 24,000 files, 3.1gb

01:32 matey; "cut off the rage cycle" this is well said

01:33 matey; it seems to be a habit of the tech press-- turn even "protest" into a "parade"

01:33 schestowitz-TR; those are methods

01:34 schestowitz-TR; they hire "crisis management" experts

01:34 schestowitz-TR; who build their name based on how they handle crises

01:34 schestowitz-TR; and "outcomes"

01:34 schestowitz-TR; the EPO hired some

01:34 matey; then all that needed is a steady stream of crises

01:34 matey; and whoever "manages" those the best gets a free ride to anywhere they want

01:35 matey; microsoft can even cause them, and still profit from their own messes. how else do you explain windows

01:35 matey; not just windows of course, but for the classic example

01:35 schestowitz-TR; weird

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01:35 schestowitz-TR; I cannot find let's encrypt

01:35 schestowitz-TR; don't suppose it was removed

01:35 matey; removed from what?

01:35 schestowitz-TR; looking into ford foundation now

01:35 schestowitz-TR; irs registry

01:36 schestowitz-TR; nonprofits

01:36 schestowitz-TR; let's encrypt is LF proxy

01:36 schestowitz-TR; same address

01:36 schestowitz-TR; same accountant

01:36 schestowitz-TR; same everything

01:36 Ariadne; yes

01:36 schestowitz; https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/131684331/201913199349101266/IRS990PF

01:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: propublica.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/131684331/201913199349101266/IRS990PF

01:36 TR Bot; Nonprofit Explorer - FORD FOUNDATION - Form 990PF - ProPublica

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01:36 matey; we need you to go undercover at linux foundation

01:36 MinceR; :>

01:36 schestowitz; "

01:36 Ariadne; not there anymore

01:36 schestowitz; internet Security Research Group

01:36 schestowitz; 1 Letterman Drive

01:36 schestowitz; Suite D4700

01:36 schestowitz; San Francisco,CA94129NONEPCCore support for the Lets Encrypt initiative to distribute free digital certificates to improve internet security for all internet users150,000

01:37 schestowitz; "

01:37 schestowitz; Ford

01:37 MinceR; Our Ford?

01:37 schestowitz-TR; Ford the Nazu dude

01:37 schestowitz-TR; sympathsieer of The Adolf

01:37 schestowitz-TR; not the cheeto one

01:37 matey; he would have loved ibm

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01:37 schestowitz-TR; now they rebrand Ford as tech |"philathropist"

01:37 Ariadne; idk what the obsession with LE is tho, generally speaking more democratic access to the x509 system seems desirable

01:38 schestowitz-TR; he also gave money to Reproducuble Builds

01:38 schestowitz-TR; lots of things

01:38 matey; ariadne, its this or apple m1

01:38 schestowitz-TR; Ariadne: better than what was before

01:38 schestowitz-TR; because it used to cost a lot

01:39 Ariadne; anyway LF is not a charity

01:39 Ariadne; they are 501c6

01:39 schestowitz-TR; yes

01:39 schestowitz-TR; tax exempt

01:39 matey; apple foundation

01:39 matey; we promote linux with apple

01:39 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/463344200_201812_990_2019110116809348.pdf

01:40 schestowitz-TR; I just need their ID #

01:40 Ariadne; i mean i must say its pretty amusing that zemlin talks about the year of the linux desktop while using macs

01:41 matey; it is hilarious

01:41 matey; but thats why he says "desktop" when hes not using a desktop

01:41 matey; these qualifiers are important you know

01:41 matey; the financial report was made on a laptop, we never said it was the year of the linux laptop

01:42 schestowitz; https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=463344200&name=Internet%20Security%20Research%20Group&city=San%20Francisco&state=CA&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=CHARITIES,%20DETERMINATIONLETTERS,%20COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=CHARITIES&orgTags=DETERMINATIONLETTERS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS

01:42 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=463344200&name=Internet%20Security%20Research%20Group&city=San%20Francisco&state=CA&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=CHARITIES,%20DETERMINATIONLETTERS,%20COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=CHARITIES&orgTags=DETERMINATIONLETTERS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS )

01:42 schestowitz; last form was 2019

01:42 schestowitz; more recent than LF

01:42 schestowitz; LF is 1018

01:42 schestowitz; LF is 2018

01:42 schestowitz; and then nothing

01:42 schestowitz; "Page Last Reviewed or Updated: 20-November-2020"

01:42 schestowitz; maybe IRS returned it them for revisions/correction, but that cannot take too long

01:43 Ariadne; this kde maui stuff looks nice. cant wait to try it on my honeycomb

01:43 matey; maybe they increased their stealth by moving to scunthorpe

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01:43 schestowitz; Stephanie Eigle handles these forms for LE

01:44 schestowitz; Ariadne: de Icazs was accused of stealing the name

01:44 schestowitz; maui was made by mexians of nitruxOS

01:44 schestowitz; and then came miguel making "MAUI"

01:44 schestowitz; some .NET thing

01:44 Ariadne; yes i know

01:44 schestowitz; nitrux was fuming

01:44 matey; "you have the following coc violations: a locale with inappropriate or sexualised language"

01:44 Ariadne; hince why i clarified which one i was talking about

01:44 schestowitz; and then Microsoft GItHub suspended people who complained

01:45 schestowitz; because Microsoft GitHub totally doesn't censor Microsoft critics :D

01:45 Ariadne; techrights censors mjg59

01:45 Ariadne; what is your point

01:45 schestowitz; jjust to be clear about LE

01:45 matey; thats was lifted, no?

01:45 schestowitz; the only reason I checked was,t

01:45 schestowitz; to see if they have more recent forms than LF

01:45 schestowitz; beause LF acts a little weird when the subject is brought up

01:46 mjg59_; matey: No, Roy refuses to publish articles I write

01:46 Ariadne; admittedly i am curious about the LE financials

01:46 mjg59_; matey: Despite accepting articles from other guest writers

01:46 matey; his editorial policy is unclear

01:46 matey; he alludes to it being based on trust

01:46 Ariadne; because LE is such a critical infrastructure at this point

01:46 mjg59_; Debian no longer trusts Pocock, so stopped publishing him on Planet Debian

01:46 matey; the real fun would be creating a clear editorial policy that wasnt a code fo conduct

01:46 matey; i believe its possible, but also unlikely.

01:46 mjg59_; Censorship or reasonable editorial decision?

01:47 matey; hey im guessing, just like you

01:47 schestowitz-TR; abtterinternet.org

01:47 schestowitz-TR; is the official site

01:47 mjg59_; And then when people ask Roy about it he changes topic

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01:47 Ariadne; to me LF seems like a black box

01:47 schestowitz-TR; submitted end of 2020

01:47 matey; my problem with codes of conduct isnt what they try to achieve, only the application of zero tolerance policies in practice

01:47 schestowitz-TR; 15 months ago

01:48 matey; they had things before codes of conduct that were "similar" that i rarely complained about

01:48 matey; it isnt the words "code of conduct" that bother me.

01:48 schestowitz-TR; josh aas is there

01:48 schestowitz-TR; also in LF

01:48 Ariadne; they pay FOSS developers to do things their corporate donors want, but the whole money trail is very deal-oriented

01:48 matey; its the zero tolerance policies (even when couched in mitigating langauge that seems to have no application in practice)

01:48 schestowitz-TR; did lisbeth leave?

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01:49 Ariadne; thats just bad community management

01:49 matey; And then when people ask Roy about it he changes topic <- moving on...

01:49 matey; im of mixed feelings about this of course

01:50 matey; on the one hand, if i were in roys shoes and you asked me something i would probably be just as evasive

01:50 mjg59_; Anyway, it's unsurprising that multiple non-profits would use the same accountant

01:50 matey; but the real question is, does anyone else get a better or clearer answer? thats where we differ

01:50 Ariadne; the LF funding Alpines security team was a good thing imo

01:50 mjg59_; Or have overlap in people filling a specific role

01:50 matey; but they no longer fund alpine?

01:51 Ariadne; it was a one year grant to bootstrap the security team

01:51 schestowitz; https://linuxfoundation.org/people/

01:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/people/

01:51 TR Bot; Leadership - Linux Foundation

01:51 schestowitz; Wigle

01:51 matey; thats that then

01:51 Ariadne; Stephanie is alright

01:51 schestowitz; Maybe they changed the CFO around that trime

01:51 schestowitz; will compare some achives pages

01:51 schestowitz; that might help explain the IRS status

01:51 MinceR; mjg59_ can't afford to host his own blog?

01:52 matey; im sure thats not the point

01:52 MinceR; then what is the point?

01:52 schestowitz; https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS

01:52 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS )

01:52 mjg59_; MinceR: Can afford to, don't want to

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01:53 mjg59_; Running my own mail is bad enough

01:53 MinceR; i'm sure there still are sites that will host a blog, gratis

01:53 matey; i dont think thats the real point either-- his i mean

01:53 matey; this is about access to an audience, just like its beside the point if roy can host his own microblog when twitter censors

01:53 Ariadne; because pocock uses the right keywords he was able to convince roy to give him a platform on techrights to harass FOSS contributors

01:53 matey; and its not even about guaranteed access

01:54 Ariadne; that i believe is the point :)

01:54 matey; that may be the point, even though im not sure what it has to do with mjg59_s question

01:54 MinceR; does Roy have an obligation to host anyone's blog posts if they ask for it?

01:54 mjg59_; No

01:55 matey; definitely not

01:55 matey; but thats not what anyone was asking

01:55 mjg59_; Does Twitter have an obligation to host anyone's tweets if they ask for it?

01:55 MinceR; then i still don't get the point

01:55 MinceR; no, they don't

01:55 MinceR; and they won't

01:55 schestowitz; maybe liesbeth retired

01:55 matey; the goal here is to understand his policy

01:55 schestowitz; she was not young

01:55 MinceR; and nobody should rely on twitter anyway

01:55 schestowitz; looking at older forms

01:55 matey; for me its academic and out of curiosity

01:55 matey; i imagine it is for mjg59_ as well

01:55 mjg59_; So the question is why does Roy think Twitter is bad when they make editorial decisions, but it's fine for him to?

01:56 schestowitz; lisbeth mcnabb

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01:56 schestowitz; in 2018 forms

01:56 schestowitz; then stephanie replaced her

01:56 matey; /me personally would have settled for understanding what the local policy is really

01:56 schestowitz; and afaik no irs filing available since

01:56 matey; even if its not a written one

01:57 kingoffrance; https://onthinktanks.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Twitter-Manual-for-Governments.pdf its just another PPP

01:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: onthinktanks.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://onthinktanks.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Twitter-Manual-for-Governments.pdf

01:57 matey; even the written ones are subject to change without notice, so...

01:57 MinceR; are they the same editorial decisions?

01:57 kingoffrance; where does twitter end and the "gov" begin? they are in bed

01:57 schestowitz; she took home about 400,000 dollars in salary each year

01:57 schestowitz; ~5 years ago

01:57 schestowitz; no tax

01:57 matey; theyre not "written" in the sense of the constitution of the united states, or even a contract with nokia

01:57 schestowitz; in US you have millions of millionaires

01:57 matey; which is a deliberately and amusingly bad example

01:57 schestowitz; and tens of millions on FOOD STAMPA

01:57 MinceR; are both sites marketed as a place where anyone can post?

01:57 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 47.80 k/sec., IPFS upstream 29.18 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.58

01:57 schestowitz; some "success story"

01:57 schestowitz; "what do you do?"

01:58 matey; thats the same question you asked before

01:58 schestowitz; "I fill up some IRS forms for a company that pretends to be about Linux'

01:58 kingoffrance; its ppptown Evelyn Mulwray: She's my daughter. [Gittes slaps Evelyn] Jake Gittes: I said I want the truth! Evelyn Mulwray: She's my sister... [slap] Evelyn Mulwray: She's my daughter... [slap] Evelyn Mulwray: My sister, my daughter. [More slaps] Jake Gittes: I said I want the truth! Evelyn Mulwray: She's my sister AND my daughter! </bill maher>

01:58 schestowitz; (on Vista 7)

01:58 mjg59_; MinceR: Roy justified publishing Pocock on the basis that he was writing about free software, which at the time suggested that the policy was that anyone could publish if they wrote about free software

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01:58 MinceR; was the policy really that?

01:58 matey; obviously not

01:58 MinceR; implied suggestions aren't much to go on

01:58 mjg59_; No, since Roy then refused to let me publish something

01:59 schestowitz; OK, did not find smoking gun. Fact #1: LE has more recent IRS filing than LF

01:59 matey; /me has a morbid curiosity what mjg wanted to publish of course

01:59 matey; my curiosity isnt limited to one side of this

01:59 schestowitz; The CFO has changed around the same time

2 AM, March 16

02:00 schestowitz; any lurker or people reading the log, ask https://linuxfoundation.org/about/contact/ why https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS is stale since 2018/19

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02:00 TR Bot; Contact Us - Linux Foundation

02:00 TR Bot; ( status 403 @ https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS )

02:00 matey; i think i know why

02:00 matey; its 3 years, not 2 years

02:00 matey; is the period you have to wait for updates

02:00 schestowitz; look atr eff

02:00 matey; but i could be wrong

02:01 schestowitz; mozilla

02:01 schestowitz; fsf

02:01 schestowitz; they have more recent years

02:01 matey; but how often?

02:01 schestowitz; only LF is years behind like that

02:01 matey; every 2?

02:01 schestowitz; no, every year

02:01 schestowitz; but there is a time delay

02:01 matey; hmm

02:01 matey; i wonder how the delay works

02:01 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/13/linux-foundation-irs-filings/

02:01 TR Bot; Its Almost Spring 2022 and Linux Foundations Latest Available IRS Filing is From 2018, Over 90% of the Budget Goes to US | Techrights

02:01 schestowitz; They're not about Linux

02:01 matey; maybe its like windows (android) updates where you can put them off, just not for good

02:01 mjg59_; FSF only has one more recent year than the LF

02:02 schestowitz; on Tuesday they paaid for press release pushing their diploma mill

02:02 schestowitz; they lost a lot of income on "LF Events"

02:02 schestowitz; due to COVID

02:02 schestowitz; they almost monopolised the events

02:02 schestowitz; and managed to shut down the competition in that space

02:02 schestowitz; so that all the major events are controlled by malicious corporationa

02:02 matey; fosdem isnt competition? or fosdem is lf?

02:03 schestowitz; which cannot be criticised

02:03 schestowitz; matey: fosdem survived

02:03 matey; okay

02:03 schestowitz; maybe LF has plans for Brussels branch, too?

02:03 schestowitz; linuxtag you don't hear much about anymore

02:03 matey; is that related to lf?

02:04 matey; maybe they just failed to have a compelling event

02:05 TR News; Linux Foundation stopped having its IRS filings published by the IRS around the same time a long-serving CFO left. Meanwhile, other offshoots did release IRS papers. Not sure what's going on, but it merits a polite inquiry. http://techrights.org/2022/03/13/linux-foundation-irs-filings/

02:06 schestowitz-TR; linustag took microsoft money

02:06 schestowitz-TR; but the story about some events in the US is,

02:06 schestowitz-TR; LF offered to take over

02:06 schestowitz-TR; and shut down the originals

02:06 matey; they must not have taken enough, lf takes m$ money too

02:06 schestowitz-TR; very few were left other than scale and a few locos

02:06 matey; both take m$ money and one survives

02:07 mjg59_; LPC was launched because OLS was incompetently run

02:08 TR News; One of the few Red Hat managers who stayed at ICBM https://www.eweek.com/cloud/red-hat-ceo-paul-cormier-open-source-drives-the-cloud/

02:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: eweek.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.eweek.com/cloud/red-hat-ceo-paul-cormier-open-source-drives-the-cloud/

02:08 mjg59_; LF assist with LPC logistics, but don't run it

02:08 TR Bot; Hat CEO Paul Cormier: Open Source Drives the Cloud and Edge | eWEEK

02:08 mjg59_; OLS is the only major american event I can think of that vanished (and it was Canadian)

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02:10 matey; from the allknowing wikioracle: "LinuxTag was launched in 1996 by a handful of active members of the Unix Working Group (Unix-AG) at the University of Kaiserslautern.[2] They wanted to inform the public about the young technology of Linux and Open Source software. "

02:10 matey; which incredibly was a term not coined until 2 years later.

02:10 mjg59_; Oh, I guess OSCon is gone, but that wasn't really a Linux event

02:11 mjg59_; And, frankly, no great loss

02:11 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162600

02:11 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

02:11 matey; i miss the name

02:12 matey; it baffles me when organisers abbreviate it "con" instead of "conf"

02:12 schestowitz-TR; sfc says conf

02:12 schestowitz-TR; cat .conf

02:12 matey; they should definitely say con

02:12 schestowitz-TR; sponsor: Microsoft

02:13 schestowitz-TR; sponsor: Gulag

02:13 schestowitz-TR; sponsor: Salesforce

02:13 schestowitz-TR; matey: it's a COIN

02:13 schestowitz-TR; CON

02:13 schestowitz-TR; we made this joke before

02:13 matey; its right in the name

02:13 schestowitz-TR; GPL keynotes from anti-GPL companie

02:13 schestowitz-TR; GPL keynotes from anti-GPL companie

02:13 schestowitz-TR; turns out this is profitable

02:13 matey; if sfc anti-gpl?

02:14 schestowitz-TR; Deb N raised the money

02:14 mjg59_; No

02:14 schestowitz-TR; and got a short stint at OSI after that

02:14 mjg59_; SFC is the only organisation making meaningful attempts to enforce the GPL

02:14 schestowitz-TR; using the OSI's name to attack the Free software community

02:14 matey; so i watched the talk kuhn gave that rms interrupted

02:14 matey; and while i can appreciate the likelihood that the CONTEXT of it is was anti-gpl

02:14 matey; the talk itself REALLY did not seem to be.

02:15 matey; if rms was upset by something that was actually being said, it was on a level that the audience was far from privy to

02:15 mjg59_; Like, SFC is right now engaging in a new strategy that, if successful, would allow anyone in California to enforce the GPL even if they're not an author

02:15 schestowitz-TR; he is not anti-GPL

02:15 mjg59_; This is not the behaviour of an organisation that is attempting to undermine the GPL

02:15 matey; Like, SFC is right now engaging in a new strategy that, if successful, would allow anyone in California to enforce the GPL even if they're not an author <- this seems like a double edged sword

02:16 matey; on the one hand, it means an end to cla, which is awesome

02:16 matey; and on the cost side, it could mean something even worse

02:16 mjg59_; matey: Really? The problem we have at the moment is that a lot of major contributors to GPLed projects are against enforcement because it's not good for their employer

02:16 mjg59_; So it's hard to take any meaningful action

02:16 matey; i think we agree on the problem

02:17 matey; on the other side is misgivings (perhaps unrealistic ones) about the solution

02:17 mjg59_; In an ideal world the corporations would be in favour of enforcement, but that's clearly not going to happen

02:17 matey; right, im not a utopian

02:17 matey; so waiting for corporations to do the right thing isnt in my playbook

02:17 mjg59_; The only practical way to skew the balance is to give more power to the users

02:17 matey; but at a price?

02:18 mjg59_; Rather than granting enforcement rights purely to the copyright holders

02:18 matey; right now the problem is, unless youre a large copyright holder (ibm, canonical, the fsf)

02:18 mjg59_; The GPL is pretty worthless unless it's enforced

02:18 matey; you cant defend the gpl

02:18 matey; eright

02:18 matey; we are on the same page regarding the problem

02:18 matey; suppose it gets fixed

02:18 matey; now, instead of not being able to defend your work against gpl violations

02:19 mjg59_; If a consequence of this change was that companies stopped contributing to GPLed projects, then that's effectively just the status quo

02:19 matey; maybe now only large companies can defend their USE of gpl against alleged violations

02:19 matey; in other words, youre a first time small time dev

02:19 Ariadne; in other news shitter has added reply downvote feature

02:19 matey; you go up against the new beefed up gpl legal regime

02:19 matey; you get blown out of the sky, so to speak

02:20 matey; if this is an unrealistic concern, great

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02:20 matey; in the past, it wasnt a concern at all, because the only people interested in enforcing gpl were on the side of only enforcing if they HAD to

02:20 matey; if sfc wins that goes out the window (For better or worse, but why just assume better)

02:20 mjg59_; matey: I'd be worried about it if corporations started doing it to squash competition, but they'd end up in the same boat - even Google, who have a whole team of people to do GPL compliance, repeatedly fuck up meeting the letter of it

02:21 matey; id like to avoid a future where the next apple vs samsung is over the gpl.

02:21 mjg59_; The approach the SFC is taking wouldn't establish that customers are entitled to damages

02:21 Ariadne; its ok apple and samsung have largely banned GPL inside their orgs

02:21 mjg59_; The only thing that could come out of a case is a requirement to come into compliance

02:21 matey; they might pick it back up if they could weaponise it, everybody wins

02:22 matey; its possible im being cynical. i think even that is better than being too optimistic.

02:22 mjg59_; So someone tries this suit on you, you come into compliance, it goes away

02:22 matey; im happy for things to actually get better, i wont complain if they do.

02:22 matey; So someone tries this suit on you, you come into compliance, it goes away <- that exactly what SHOULD happen

02:22 matey; so what is this doing in california?

02:22 mjg59_; Courts tend not to favour people who jump straight to suits without trying to solve the problem otherwise

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02:22 TR Bot; Links 16/3/2022: Norbert Preining Interviewed, Go 1.18 Released | Techrights

02:22 Ariadne; i think its better from a business perspective to just release patches to the community in good faith

02:22 matey; Courts tend not to favour people who jump straight to suits without trying to solve the problem otherwise <- lawyers do

02:23 Ariadne; and thats how my businesses have historically operated

02:23 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162602

02:23 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

02:23 Ariadne; turns out if you do the right thing indiscriminately then nobody has anything to complain about

02:23 matey; im not convinced the gpl is better in practice. im sure its better in theory, and it might be better in practice.

02:23 Ariadne; its a complicated topic

02:23 matey; it absolutely is

02:23 Ariadne; gplv3 authors had lofty and worthwhile ambitions

02:24 matey; agpl3 too

02:24 matey; but google didnt like

02:24 Ariadne; yes

02:24 mjg59_; matey: https://sfconservancy.org/press/qanda.html covers it

02:24 TR Bot; Press - Software Freedom Conservancy

02:24 matey; :/

02:24 matey; noted

02:24 Ariadne; but in practice, gplv3 failed to capture key ecosystem participants

02:25 matey; linus at the very least

02:25 matey; in before roy: due to lobbying

02:25 Ariadne; so, due to that, its a mess and apache wound up taking over

02:25 Ariadne; linus and fsf have different philosophies on copyleft

02:25 matey; how did apache take over?

02:25 matey; yeah linus found something he liked and used it (i mean the license)

02:25 Ariadne; apache 2 is a good license and more palatable to corporate interests

02:25 matey; and the fsf uses it for what they created it for

02:26 matey; if i thought i could repel corporate interests just by slapping gpl on there, i would consider it a plus

02:26 Ariadne; agpl is a problem because of monorepos

02:27 matey; monorepos?

02:27 Ariadne; google hates it because they have a giant monorepo with all of their stuff in it

02:27 matey; oh yeah

02:27 matey; and agpl doesnt work well with that

02:27 Ariadne; and they think introducing agpl to the monorepo opens a pandoras box

02:27 matey; which it probably doesnt, but one cant be too careful

02:27 MinceR; one could organize their code the way a sane person would

02:28 matey; "dont be insane"

02:28 MinceR; but that's probably too much to ask of megacorporations

02:28 Ariadne; well theres advantages to having a monorepo

02:28 matey; especially non-evil ones

02:28 Ariadne; mostly automated QA

02:28 Ariadne; with a monorepo there is one QA pipeline to maintain verses one per repo

02:29 matey; i would think google was more than capable of transcending the file system (and with it, the repo) in any way they pleased

02:29 matey; after connecting all their servers together i would expect them to take one look at git and say "hmm, quaint"

02:29 Ariadne; lawyers have a different worldview

02:29 matey; dont they always

02:30 matey; we should have never invented them

02:30 Ariadne; even at $dayjob we have a monorepo for internal services

02:30 MinceR; we should have never allowed sociopaths to get away from being confined and treated, to isntead rule us all

02:30 MinceR; s/isn/ins/

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02:31 Ariadne; though we use separate repos for actual public facing projects

02:32 matey; unfortunately sociopaths can be quite wily, even captive ones

02:32 MinceR; indeed

02:33 matey; the public is insufficiently equipped to deal with them, so it falls (of course) to other bodies that are themselves run (oops) by sociopaths

02:34 matey; we should have equipped the public maybe. i can think of few instances where "its for their own good" applies more strongly

02:35 kingoffrance; need x to overcome x ...we are back to alchemy/isis again :D

02:35 matey; hey i was not saying we need sociopaths to overcome sociopaths

02:35 kingoffrance; i know :D

02:35 matey; okay good

02:35 kingoffrance; but thats the cliche

02:36 matey; who will bastard the bastards?

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02:39 matey; /me is still getting over the misty first cow / salt lick / milk creation myth

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02:40 matey; "we need a creation story" "lets pick a mammal" "why not, it worked in genesis"

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02:40 matey; darwin: "i cant even"

02:41 MinceR; "send a lunatic to catch a lunatic"

02:41 matey; actually darwin was sold on it initially

02:41 matey; but he was highly sceptical

02:41 matey; "ok when i said that was divine, this is just really fucked"

02:42 TR News; Yesterday's bulletin is now ready! : http://techrights.org/txt-archives/techrights-2022-03-15.txt | gemini://gemini.techrights.org/tr_text_version/techrights-2022-03-15.txt (tentative address, to work an hour from now)

02:46 AdmFubar; https://arstechnica.com/?p=1841295

02:46 TR Bot; Researcher uses Dirty Pipe exploit to fully root a Pixel 6 Pro and Samsung S22 | Ars Technica

02:46 AdmFubar; NBC's new show... To Catch a Lunatic

02:47 MinceR; oh, i misquoted

02:47 MinceR; it's "send a maniac to catch a maniac"

02:47 matey; yours is better

02:48 matey; Researcher uses Dirty Pipe exploit <- the real reason codes of conduct were invented (theyre pretty secret about it) is to prevent exploit names from getting MUCH worse

02:48 matey; they knew we were on the edge of the abyss and they stepped in just in time

02:49 matey; thankfully we will never have a printer subsystem exploit called "2 girls, 1 cups"

02:49 MinceR; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2RYz5EG8ss

02:49 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=_2RYz5EG8ss

02:49 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Demolition Man - Send a maniac to catch a maniac - Invidious

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02:50 reptoidz; rrrrrrrrrreptoidz

02:51 MinceR; pikachu!

02:51 reptoidz; hey how is everyone?

02:51 MinceR; used to be better

02:52 reptoidz; fair enough

02:52 kingoffrance; 280 days matey, always look at gestation periods for animals :D

02:52 kingoffrance; same as human

02:52 matey; thats just creepy

02:53 kingoffrance; yeah :D when you dont have modern science, im sure it made sense

02:53 kingoffrance; they saw some kind of connection whatever it was

02:53 matey; "mama had a chicken, mama had a cow, dad was proud, he didnt care how"

02:53 matey; kingoffrance: you had to be there

02:53 reptoidz; ewww

02:53 matey; its from a cartoon, its an actual theme song

02:54 reptoidz; dad was cuckolded

02:54 reptoidz; by a chicken and cow

02:54 matey; could be a shapeshifter

02:54 MinceR; cow and chicken

02:54 reptoidz; hmmm

02:54 *reptoidz is a shapeshifter

02:54 reptoidz; i must have had a lot of alcohol

02:55 matey; cow and reptoidz

02:55 reptoidz; gotta stay out of THAT bar

02:55 matey; dirty cow and chicken (getting back to exploit names)

02:55 reptoidz; weird too, im a chick

02:56 *reptoidz can hear her keyboard 1KM away

02:56 matey; mechanical?

02:56 reptoidz; yes... blue switches too

02:57 matey; i want replacement domes for my piece of shit keyboard

02:57 matey; its not that old, but they dont stay optimal

02:57 reptoidz; my kb is reddragon

02:57 matey; nice

02:57 reptoidz; twas cheap and mechanical

02:57 matey; fits with the whole reptilian theme

02:58 reptoidz; lol

02:58 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 29.05 k/sec., IPFS upstream 77.86 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.60

02:58 matey; also the top choice of keyboard among cannibals, presumably

02:59 MinceR; :>

02:59 matey; fine young keyboardists

3 AM, March 16

03:00 reptoidz; i can do 70 WPM without effort

03:00 reptoidz; prolly cuz im on my puter 24/7

03:00 matey; so i can i, the keys make it a bit wonky though

03:00 matey; and my fingers are a bit dyslexic. dystypographic. dystypian.

03:00 reptoidz; if it was a lame membrane kb, i'd probably do 50-60 wpm

03:01 matey; send a typist to catch a typist

03:02 *reptoidz loves demolition man

03:02 matey; why?

03:02 reptoidz; its such a great movie

03:02 reptoidz; send a maniac to catch a maniac

03:03 matey; they usually do

03:03 matey; in movies they use more effects of course

03:03 reptoidz; demolition man has a lot of great one-liners

03:04 matey; /me is more of a bruce willis fan

03:04 MinceR; indeed

03:04 matey; but stallone is ok

03:04 reptoidz; bruce willis is cool but sylvester stalone is HOT

03:04 matey; sorry bruce

03:05 reptoidz; i'd totally shapeshift into anything stalone wanted

03:05 matey; this is unusual, even for #techrights

03:05 reptoidz; im probably the first girl here

03:05 matey; definitely not

03:06 reptoidz; ok fair enough

03:06 reptoidz; im probably the hot first girl here

03:06 reptoidz; im probably the first hot girl here

03:07 matey; this chats been around since 2008

03:07 reptoidz; matey: you haven't

03:07 matey; oh ive been around since 2008

03:07 matey; not here

03:08 reptoidz; i was gonna say i dont remember you

03:08 matey; you remember [h]omer?

03:09 reptoidz; vaguely

03:09 matey; okay

03:09 reptoidz; that was you?

03:09 matey; no

03:11 reptoidz; lol then why even ask

03:11 matey; i was curious how far back you go

03:11 reptoidz; i was around in 2010-2011

03:11 matey; cool

03:12 matey; what brings you back

03:12 reptoidz; prurigro told me freenode was taken over

03:12 matey; its definitely not the same now

03:13 reptoidz; i wanted to chat with linux people

03:13 reptoidz; ive been bored a lot

03:13 *reptoidz runs fedora and gnome on 4th gen intel laptop

03:15 matey; its easier than ever to start a website about fedora

03:15 reptoidz; touche

03:16 reptoidz; you can even do so anonymously

03:16 matey; oh yeah

03:16 reptoidz; just sign up for protonmail or tutanota over tor

03:16 matey; thats not so easy

03:16 reptoidz; yeah it is

03:16 matey; i tried that with tutanota specifically

03:17 matey; if its easy, i didnt notice

03:17 reptoidz; oh they probably noticed tor

03:17 reptoidz; hack your neighbor and use their wifi to sign up

03:17 matey; you might be able to check tutanota with tor, good luck signing up

03:18 matey; hack your neighbor and use their wifi to sign up <- i mean, im sure theres a library that works

03:18 reptoidz; Bell Canada uses an 8 character hex password as default for wifi, easy to hack

03:18 reptoidz; my gpu can do that in a day

03:19 reptoidz; the library works but my library requires a login using your library card number and password

03:19 matey; they should just go all out and make the default 12345

03:19 reptoidz; easy enough to figure out who did it

03:19 matey; people will learn

03:19 matey; some people

03:20 reptoidz; i use a vps i bought with bitcoin

03:20 matey; any good?

03:20 reptoidz; yeah its a bit laggy cuz its germany but w/e

03:21 matey; the bits in germany are always on time

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03:23 IPFS; IPFS local node stats (bandwidth since last reset) calculated. TotalIn: 98 GB TotalOut: 53 GB

03:24 IPFS; New daily bulletin is now being generated and assembled.

03:33 reptoidz; well im in Canada, so germany is a little laggy

03:34 matey; makes sense

03:35 IPFS; QmeRSCJyWXDqQ2MMcGza1eugPxCGbNZcUDe857baH1LHKx

03:35 IPFS; New daily bulletin has just been added to IPFS, hereon retrievable with the CID above.

03:35 AdmFubar; https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/google-cloud-layoffs-protest

03:35 TR Bot; Cloud workers found out about layoffs from media - Protocol

03:35 matey; i thought having your job in the cloud meant you couldnt get laid off

03:37 *reptoidz hears capitalism laugh

03:40 AdmFubar; 'cept they have their heads in the cloud

03:40 AdmFubar; or elswhere... ;)

03:41 matey; multicloud is next

03:41 matey; thats the cloud in the multiverse

03:41 AdmFubar; sounds patchy to me

03:41 matey; or the cloudverse

03:41 kingoffrance; that ...sounds totally like that will happen

03:42 matey; its VPPP

03:43 AdmFubar; those multiverse clouds will probably contain NFT's

03:43 kingoffrance; whatever sarcastic merger you can think of..........someone's probably working on it

03:43 matey; you should check your nft with md5sum to make sure you downloaded it correctly

03:43 reptoidz; if its the multiverse, that'll require a lot of compute units

03:43 matey; whatever sarcastic merger you can think of..........someone's probably working on it Rule of Aquisition #34

03:45 matey; kingoffrance: i have an nft-related idea thats going to help me take over they entire tech industry

03:45 matey; but since this is irc i think i can tell you

03:45 matey; so the idea is just like nfts right?

03:45 *reptoidz is on the edge of her seat

03:45 matey; but nfts are so limited

03:46 matey; i mean theyre tied to (usually small) digital assets

03:46 matey; what i want to do is combine something like dns, tradmark and nft together

03:46 matey; so that entire companies have an nft

03:46 matey; like why have an nft for some emoji or game asset

03:47 matey; when you can have an nft for oracle or virgin entertainment?

03:47 matey; or amazon!

03:48 matey; im going to call them "business identity tokens" or "BITs"

03:48 matey; and of course the first thing im going to acquire with them is bitcoin, so they will go together perfectly

03:50 matey; originally i was going to call them "bridge identity tokens" because they "bridge" the financial world with the blockchain (obviously)

03:51 matey; but then some people i work with said "you might not want to say 'i have a bridge to sell you'"

03:51 AdmFubar; BIT' they're the SHITs!

03:51 matey; theyre the experts

03:52 AdmFubar; https://www.rawstory.com/freedom-convoy-2656961286/

03:52 Alternative link; Cloudflare: rawstory.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.rawstory.com/freedom-convoy-2656961286/

03:52 TR Bot; 'Freedom Convoy' truckers thought Bitcoin was safe but their funds have been frozen anyway - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism

03:52 reptoidz; lol freedumb convoy

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03:55 MinceR; 16 044114 < matey> thats the cloud in the multiverse

03:55 MinceR; that's great

03:55 MinceR; we could have a multiverse in that!

03:55 matey; inceptiverse!

03:56 matey; /me is going to own half of the oracle in the inceptiverse

03:56 matey; and 1/3 of apple

03:56 reptoidz; lol

03:57 matey; that way whenever someone buys EITHER an iphone OR an nft of an iphone, my nfti rating goes up

03:57 matey; thats the nft index, its sort of like the stock market but for nfts

03:57 matey; in the multicloud

03:57 MinceR; we could sell NFTs of NFTs

03:58 kingoffrance; https://www.wired.com/story/tech-companies-banks/

03:58 TR Bot; Tech Company Wants to Be a BankSomeday, At Least | WIRED

03:58 matey; why not? they do that with shares all the time

03:58 reptoidz; what about NFTs about NFTs of NFTs

03:58 MinceR; those too

03:58 matey; nfts are really just like shares, except digital

03:58 MinceR; and so on

03:58 matey; and cryptographic

03:58 matey; and very cool sounding

03:59 matey; i got the idea while i was selling qr codes

03:59 matey; but those are so 2005

03:59 *kingoffrance .oO( watches matey's sarcasm get repelled by magic MBA armour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5KrJ9uIJFQ that's probably what they want to do )

03:59 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=x5KrJ9uIJFQ

03:59 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Final Fantasy VI Advance - The invincible Guardian - Invidious

03:59 reptoidz; my vaccine passport has a QR code, not so 2005

4 AM, March 16

04:00 matey; eh, they rebadged it

04:00 matey; kingoffrance: im actually trying to find the mba "brown note"

04:00 kingoffrance; lol

04:00 matey; its like the original brown note but only works in the business sector

04:00 reptoidz; you know, im the Queen of France...

04:01 MinceR; :)

04:01 MinceR; for a republic, france has an awful lot of monarchs

04:01 reptoidz; I AM THE QUEEN OF FRANCE

04:01 *reptoidz 's limbs start flailing around

04:02 matey; the brown note is a fourier transfer derived from high-frequency trading, and if you used it at the nyse you could paralyse the economy for at least a day or two

04:02 matey; /me goes to talk to the nice men in sunglasses at the door

04:02 matey; brb

04:02 reptoidz; https://youtu.be/W7JyjZI3LUM

04:02 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=W7JyjZI3LUM

04:02 TR Bot; yewtu.be | REJECTED by DON HERTZFELDT (Blu-ray restoration) - Invidious

04:03 matey; i though you were the lizard queen

04:03 MinceR; also, it would have been nice to know _how_ the authorities managed to seize/freeze those funds

04:03 reptoidz; matey: didn't you know?

04:03 MinceR; this is the most interesting part of the story and it's the one the article just skips

04:03 reptoidz; matey: ALL leaders in the world are reptilian shapeshifters

04:04 matey; oh yeah, i did read that once

04:04 reptoidz; so im still the lizard queen

04:04 reptoidz; of france

04:04 matey; it explains why the mice problem i had in the old place went away

04:05 matey; also, it would have been nice to know _how_ the authorities managed to seize/freeze those funds <- they always leave out the best part so you have to buy the book

04:05 matey; scientology does it too

04:05 MinceR; reminds me of Lizardking

04:05 reptoidz; authorities simply have to infiltrate those groups, easy enough

04:06 reptoidz; i was listening to the freedumb convoy's "Zello" chat

04:06 reptoidz; it was amusing

04:07 reptoidz; just when you thought conspiracy theoriests couldn't be dumber, just listen to their zello voice chat

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04:07 reptoidz; twitch.tv/markeast had the zello chat and live video feeds of the protest

04:09 matey; /me is investing big in punkchain too

04:10 matey; punkchain is different because its not allowed to get "trendy"

04:10 matey; basically as soon as it has a certain number of people adopt it, the whole thing crashes and breaks a bunch of your shit

04:10 matey; but its totally cool, so there are a bunch of investors

04:11 matey; and it just crashed, theyre all fucked now

04:11 matey; but thats fucking cool

04:12 kingoffrance; tomorrow you're homeless, tonight it's a blast! </dead kennedys>

04:12 matey; that was the story of punkchain. it was pretty cool to be there

04:13 matey; before it went all mainstream

04:13 reptoidz; i got a chain that says gold digger

04:18 matey; what really messed up punkchain at the end was a bunch of fake people who instead of getting the point and getting all their investments fucked by it, they were really just blowing money as a status symbol to say "look, i can blow all this money and still be solvent"

04:18 matey; but that completely misses the point of it-- which is everyone is fucked sooner or later

04:19 matey; fortunately it crashed like a week later

04:20 DaemonFC; https://apnews.com/article/covid-business-health-ted-wheeler-poverty-edb884d8bf98e45b16372c1c8b7182e7

04:20 TR Bot; Liberal US cities change course, now clearing homeless camps | AP News

04:20 DaemonFC; San Francisco Mayor London Breed declared a state of emergency in December in the crime-heavy Tenderloin neighborhood, which has been ground zero for drug dealing, overdose deaths and homelessness. She said its time to get aggressive and less tolerant of all the bull- that has destroyed our city.

04:20 matey; what we really wanted to do was take all our savings and set them on fire. but we wanted to do it in a comment on modern society using cryptographic hash routines and the blockchain

04:20 DaemonFC; mjg59_ likes it there. People "get it".

04:20 DaemonFC; Bludgeoned over the head by police batons for rough sleeping.

04:22 matey; rule #1, its never punk when the cops do it

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04:24 matey; rule #2, there are no rules. cops still suck though

04:27 reptoidz; ACAB

04:28 matey; exactly

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04:48 prurigro; schestowitz: hey! just wanted to let you know that I'm getting an SSL "potential security risk" error when I try to hit the https version of the site

04:49 reptoidz; hey prurigro

04:49 prurigro; ahoy

04:50 *reptoidz is now known as chicksahoy

04:50 chicksahoy; w00000t

04:52 chicksahoy; this was my name in world of warcraft

04:52 MinceR; were you playing a cookie with chicks embedded in it?

04:53 chicksahoy; it was a cookie based name

04:54 MinceR; also, hi prurigro

04:55 prurigro; hey! noticed the site was borked and finally got the motivation to register for the new server haha

04:55 prurigro; how goes?

04:55 MinceR; well, it has gone better before

04:56 chicksahoy; i had a friend named oreomatic

04:57 chicksahoy; so when he asked me to play wow with him, i made a death knight named chicksahoy

5 AM, March 16

05:01 MinceR; i see

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05:10 chicksahoy; MinceR: exactly

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05:21 mjg59_; prurigro: That's expected, the certificate is self-signed

05:21 prurigro; wait, really? the link from ddg is the https one-- I feel like that's going to drive a lot of people away from the site?

05:21 prurigro; is there an issue using letsencrypt?

05:24 mjg59_; prurigro: The claim is roughly that the entire CA ecosystem is a corporate seizure of the commons, and LetsEncrypt is a Linux Foundation backed proxy to solidify this control

05:25 prurigro; fair enough haha, though having gone with cacert and whatnot in the past, I don't feel like letsencrypt has solidified much aside from the fact that https is actually used these days. Why not just skip the https stuff aside from the wp admin console in the case?

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06:23 kingoffrance; from the linked paper: Twitter is a good tool for detecting the state of public opinion in real time https://www.statista.com/statistics/699462/twitter-most-retweeted-posts-all-time/ well....maybe it worked for free chicken nuggets at wendy's, i guess that will work for putin too

06:23 TR Bot; Most retweeted posts of all time 2020 | Statista

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06:52 matey; free chicken nuggets would have been a way better policy than invading ukraine. does putin have a twitter account? we could hashtag this.

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07:39 TR News; #Techrights Bulletin for Tuesday, March 15, 2022 http://techrights.org/txt full archive: http://techrights.org/txt-archives #gnu #linux #freesw #plaintext

07:39 TR Bot; Bulletin Archives

07:39 TR News; #Techrights full #IPFS index updated just now http://techrights.org/ipfs available as plain text @ http://techrights.org/ipfs/txt #dweb #sharing

07:39 TR Bot; Techrights Full IPFS Index

07:41 TR News; Microsoft Azure layoffs. Gulag Clown: also layoffs. Clown computing is just a bubble, subsidised at losses.

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07:51 TR News; No, no, no. Kids should NOT have these surveillance devices. Heck, even adults ought not have these. https://www.maketecheasier.com/best-cell-phones-for-kids/

07:51 TR Bot; 6 Best Kids Cell Phone Options in 2022 - Make Tech Easier

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07:54 TR News; "I can't believe that in the Twenty First Goddamned Century, some lunatic Playstation hacker went and implemented an ftp server" https://www.jwz.org/blog/2022/03/playing-old-ps3-games/

07:54 TR Bot; jwz: Playing old PS3 games

07:55 TR News; "All it takes is installing Kali Linux version 2022.1 or newer with btrfs as the file system and to enable snapshotting after installation and you will get: [...]" https://www.kali.org/blog/unkaputtbar/

07:55 TR Bot; Kali Unkaputtbar | Kali Linux Blog

07:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: kali.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.kali.org/blog/unkaputtbar/

07:56 TR News; "Following a request-for-testing thread on tech@, Stefan Sperling (stsp@) has committed some IEEE 802.11ac support to iwx(4): [...]" https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article;sid=20220315070043

07:56 TR Bot; iwx(4) gains 11ac 80MHz channel support

07:57 TR News; "Heres to another 22 years Emacs!" https://arjenwiersma.nl/writeups/emacs/22-years-of-emacs/

07:57 TR Bot; 22 years of Emacs

07:58 TR News; "Matts point of view is that the world is better off when the web is open and fun, and Automattic builds and acquires products that help that goal along." https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/15/22977857/wordpress-tumblr-simplenote-internet-automattic-matt-mullenweg-interview

07:58 TR Bot; How WordPress and Tumblr are keeping the internet weird - The Verge

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07:59 TR News; "But most people, particularly beginners, wont use the Raspberry Pi to whip up crazy creations." https://www.pcworld.com/article/420028/10-practical-raspberry-pi-projects-anybody-can-do.html

07:59 TR Bot; practical things to do with a Raspberry Pi | PCWorld

8 AM, March 16

08:00 TR News; "EuroBSDCon is the European technical conference for users and developers of BSD-based systems." https://2022.eurobsdcon.org/the-call-for-talk-and-presentation-proposals-for-eurobsdcon-2022-is-now-open/

08:00 TR Bot; Call for Proposals EuroBSDCon

08:00 TR News; "Its not old code thats technical debt, its lightly-designed code. That thing that seemed like the solution when you first thought of it." https://www.sicpers.info/2022/03/when-to-address-technical-debt/

08:00 TR Bot; When to address technical debt? | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programmers

08:03 TR News; "Four hundred drones were suspended over the city during the South by Southwest festival to form a giant, hovering QR code?" https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/halo-sxsw-drones-1235110882/

08:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: hollywoodreporter.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/halo-sxsw-drones-1235110882/

08:03 TR Bot; Alien Drone Swarm Freaks Out Austin with Giant Hovering QR Code The Hollywood Reporter

08:03 TR News; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/irc-proceedings-tuesday-march-15-2022/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/irc-proceedings-tuesday-march-15-2022/

08:03 TR Bot; IRC Proceedings: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 | Techrights

08:06 TR News; Intel will need actual demand to sell its crappy chips. I think they exaggerate their importance at this stage. https://itwire.com/business-it-news/hardware-and-storage/resellers/intel-to-invest-%e2%82%ac80b-in-eu-in-bid-to-catch-up-with-rivals.html

08:06 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/hardware-and-storage/resellers/intel-to-invest-%e2%82%ac80b-in-eu-in-bid-to-catch-up-with-rivals.html

08:06 TR Bot; - Intel to invest 80b in EU in bid to catch up with rivals

08:06 TR News; With hardware sales decreasing... new excuses. https://www.computerworld.com/article/3653589/arm-to-cut-up-to-15-of-jobs-following-failed-nvidia-takeover.html

08:06 TR Bot; to cut up to 15% of jobs following failed takeover by Nvidia | Computerworld

08:07 TR News; Bubble: "Arm embarked on a rapid hiring spree after SoftBank acquired the company for 24bn in 2016, promising to double staff over five years." https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/03/14/british-tech-champion-arm-slash-hundreds-jobs/

08:07 TR Bot; British tech champion Arm to slash hundreds of jobs

08:07 TR News; About time. DST needs to be abolished. https://www.voanews.com/a/us-senate-approves-bill-to-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-/6487320.html

08:07 TR Bot; US Senate Approves Bill to Make Daylight Saving Time Permanent

08:08 TR News; "The bill has bipartisan backing including several Republican and Democratic cosponsors" https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/15/politics/senate-daylight-saving-time-permanent/index.html

08:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnn.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/15/politics/senate-daylight-saving-time-permanent/index.html

08:08 TR Bot; Senate passes bill that would make Daylight Saving Time permanent - CNNPolitics

08:08 TR News; "The Senate passed a bill Tuesday that would make daylight saving time permanent across the U.S. beginning in 2023." https://text.npr.org/1086773840

08:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: npr.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://text.npr.org/1086773840

08:08 TR Bot; The Senate approves a bill to make daylight saving time permanent

08:08 TR News; "So on Tuesday, with almost no warning and no debate, the Senate unanimously passed legislation to do away with the biannual springing forward" https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/15/us/politics/daylight-saving-time-senate.html

08:08 Alternative link; Cloudflare: nytimes.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/15/us/politics/daylight-saving-time-senate.html

08:08 TR Bot; Senate Approves Making Daylight Saving Time Permanent - The New York Times

08:09 TR News; There is NO such thing as "FREE" video hosting https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/15/22979126/vimeo-patreon-creators-price-increase

08:09 TR Bot; Vimeo is telling creators to suddenly pay thousands of dollars or leave the platform - The Verge

08:11 TR News; "Spain will become an important link for [espionage Zuckerberg] in Europe as its two subsea cables connecting the region with the Americas and Africa" https://cio.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/corporate-news/meta-to-hire-2000-staff-for-spanish-hub-for-regional-expansion/90250040

08:11 TR Bot; meta: Meta to hire 2,000 staff for Spanish hub for regional expansion, CIO News, ET CIO

08:12 TR News; Internet breaking https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/russia-nearly-isolated-online-mean-internets-future-rcna19389 see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/

08:12 TR Bot; Russia is nearly isolated online. What does that mean for the internets future?

08:12 TR Bot; The Internet is Breaking and We Need Contingencies | Techrights

08:12 TR News; US war on Russia might have an unpexcted casualty: the US dollar https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/598257-saudi-arabia-considers-accepting-yuan-instead-of-dollar-for-oil

08:12 TR Bot; Arabia reportedly considering accepting yuan instead of dollar for oil sales | TheHill

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08:18 TR News; Not on Russia crucified journalists. UK/US do the same https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60743322 https://www.reuters.com/world/wikileaks-assange-denied-permission-appeal-extradite-decision-supreme-court-2022-03-14/ https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2022/03/14/Supreme-Court-Assange-extradition-appeal/8741647285845/

08:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: bbc.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-60743322

08:18 TR Bot; Assange denied permission to appeal against extradition - BBC News

08:18 TR Bot; Assange denied permission to appeal extradition decision at UK Supreme Court | Reuters

08:18 TR Bot; Supreme Court won't hear Julian Assange extradition appeal - UPI.com

08:18 TR News; "the application does not raise an arguable point of law." https://www.axios.com/uk-court-julian-assange-extradition-47cea5d0-a68f-4909-bf44-dd11f518b16f.html

08:18 Alternative link; Cloudflare: axios.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.axios.com/uk-court-julian-assange-extradition-47cea5d0-a68f-4909-bf44-dd11f518b16f.html

08:18 TR Bot; U.K. Supreme Court denies Assange permission to appeal extradition

08:19 TR News; More kangaroos: "Under the next steps in the legal process, the case will now be remitted to Westminster Magistrates' Court in London" https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/assange-set-to-make-submissions-to-uk-minister-after-losing-supreme-court-appeal/

08:19 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/assange-set-to-make-submissions-to-uk-minister-after-losing-supreme-court-appeal )

08:19 TR News; "Britains highest court has rejected an appeal from Julian Assange, who is seeking to block his extradition to the United States." https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/15/headlines/uk_supreme_court_wont_halt_extradition_of_julian_assange_to_us

08:19 TR Bot; U.K. Supreme Court Wont Halt Extradition of Julian Assange to U.S. | Democracy Now!

08:19 TR News; UK imitates China https://fee.org/articles/uk-considering-legislation-that-would-imprison-internet-trolls/

08:19 Alternative link; Cloudflare: fee.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://fee.org/articles/uk-considering-legislation-that-would-imprison-internet-trolls/

08:19 TR Bot; UK's Online Safety Bill Would Imprison Internet Trolls and Erode Free Speech - Foundation for Economic Education

08:20 TR News; "Online Safety Bill returns to Parliament amid chorus of criticism even from Tories" https://tittlepress.com/trending/1633405/

08:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: tittlepress.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tittlepress.com/trending/1633405/

08:20 TR Bot; Safety Bill returns to Parliament amid chorus of criticism even from Tories - TittlePress

08:23 TR News; Misinformation comes not just from Russia https://today.rtl.lu/news/fact-check/a/1880124.html

08:23 TR Bot; RTL Today - Fact Check: This is not a genuine listing for 'a Russian tank on eBay'

08:24 TR News; "The Committee will hear from witnesses representing a range of industry sectors including: IT, telecommunications, education, health care, logistics" https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/public-hearing-into-second-tranche-of-cyber-laws.html

08:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://itwire.com/business-it-news/security/public-hearing-into-second-tranche-of-cyber-laws.html

08:24 TR Bot; - Public hearing into second tranche of cyber laws

08:25 TR News; "The DRCF has a vital role to play in delivering on this vision through its work to create a more coherent regulatory ecosystem." https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/letter-from-dcms-secretary-of-state-to-the-digital-regulation-cooperation-forum/letter-from-dcms-secretary-of-state-to-the-digital-regulation-cooperation-forum-html

08:25 TR Bot; from DCMS Secretary of State to the Digital Regulation Cooperation Forum - HTML - GOV.UK

08:29 TR News; Just this morning on our way to school, our four-year-old son asked me when daddy will come home. Julians life is being treated as if it were expendable." https://dontextraditeassange.com/post/stella-moris-statement-on-uk-supreme-courts-refusal-to-hear-assange-appeal/

08:29 TR Bot; Stella Moris statement on UK Supreme Court's refusal to hear Assange Appeal - Don't Extradite Assange

08:29 TR News; "With Julian still, for no rational reason, held in maximum security, the legal process around his extradition continues to meander its way through the overgrown bridlepaths of the UKs legal system." https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/03/assange-extradition-on-to-the-next-hurdle/

08:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: craigmurray.org.uk | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2022/03/assange-extradition-on-to-the-next-hurdle/

08:29 TR Bot; Assange Extradition: On To The Next Hurdle - Craig Murray

08:30 TR News; Baraitser is a mole https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/rotten-rulings-julian-assange-and-the-uk-supreme-court/

08:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/rotten-rulings-julian-assange-and-the-uk-supreme-court/

08:30 TR Bot; Rulings: Julian Assange and the UK Supreme Court - CounterPunch.org

08:30 TR News; "Julian was just doing his job, which was to publish the truth about wrongdoing." https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/assanges-fiancee-releases-heartbreaking-response-uk-court-ruling

08:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/assanges-fiancee-releases-heartbreaking-response-uk-court-ruling

08:30 TR Bot; Assange's Fiance Releases 'Heartbreaking' Response to UK Court Ruling

08:32 TR News; Whether Julian is extradited or not, which is the same as saying whether he lives or dies" https://shadowproof.com/2022/03/15/uk-supreme-court-slams-door-assange-extradition-appeal/

08:32 TR Bot; UK Supreme Court Slams Door On Assange Appeal

08:37 TR News; Patents kill million amid pandemic, all in the name of profits https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/appalling-deal-ip-waiver-reportedly-limited-covid-vaccines

08:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/appalling-deal-ip-waiver-reportedly-limited-covid-vaccines

08:37 TR Bot; 'Appalling': Deal on IP Waiver Reportedly Limited to Covid Vaccines

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08:52 kingoffrance; quote immibis "There are 4 possible outcomes to the housing market: (1) market crash, (2) hyperinflation, (3) return to feudalism, (4) communist revolution" i should emphasize, there was supposed to be a "jubilee" every 50 years. not that i buy any "global reset" nonsense, but thats another thing to thank the "churches" for. not that i even advocate that...just these things are not new. "love your government with all your heart, and all your

08:52 kingoffrance; soul" -- djt

08:53 kingoffrance; anyhow, that wont be part of "saving western civilization". all the image, none of the actuality

08:54 kingoffrance; (paraphrase) "almost all the positions are false"

08:54 kingoffrance; one of those "who needs satire" moments lol

08:59 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 65.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.73

9 AM, March 16

09:14 kingoffrance; i imagine whatever was supposed to prevent those scenarios was systematically dismantled

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09:20 TR News; Starbucks an enemy of people https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/nlrb-complaint-accuses-starbucks-retaliating-against-union-leaders

09:20 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/nlrb-complaint-accuses-starbucks-retaliating-against-union-leaders

09:20 TR Bot; NLRB Complaint Accuses Starbucks of Retaliating Against Union Leaders

09:21 TR News; Not putting criminals in prison but those who expose those criminals https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/100-groups-urge-biden-pardon-human-rights-lawyer-steven-donziger

09:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: commondreams.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/03/15/100-groups-urge-biden-pardon-human-rights-lawyer-steven-donziger

09:21 TR Bot; 100+ Groups Urge Biden to Pardon Human Rights Lawyer Steven Donziger

09:22 TR News; "As of 2016, almost 2,000 people a day were allowed through TSA checkpoints at US airports either without showing any ID at all" https://papersplease.org/wp/2022/03/15/how-many-people-fly-without-real-id/ http://techrights.org/2020/09/28/non-denying-and-false-denials/

09:22 TR Bot; How many people fly without REAL-ID? Papers, Please!

09:22 TR Bot; Speaking Through Spokespeople is a Sign of Weakness, Such as Non-Denying and False Denials (or: Bill Gates Never Denied His Connections to MIT Through Jeffrey Epstein) | Techrights

09:23 TR News; "The Patent and Market Court of Appeal has overturned the prison sentences of three men who were criminally prosecuted for their involvement with IPTV service ATN." https://torrentfreak.com/court-overturns-pirate-iptv-prison-sentences-due-to-unenforceable-copyrights-220315/

09:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/court-overturns-pirate-iptv-prison-sentences-due-to-unenforceable-copyrights-220315/

09:23 TR Bot; Overturns Pirate IPTV Prison Sentences Due to Unenforceable Copyrights * TorrentFreak

09:24 TR News; "coalition of major Hollywood studios and Netflix" (Netflix is with the cartel) https://torrentfreak.com/primewire-removes-pirate-movies-tv-shows-to-frustrate-court-injunctions-220315/

09:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: torrentfreak.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://torrentfreak.com/primewire-removes-pirate-movies-tv-shows-to-frustrate-court-injunctions-220315/

09:24 TR Bot; Removes Pirate Movies & TV Shows To Frustrate Court Injunctions * TorrentFreak

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09:29 TR News; Zuckerberg profits from this https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/business-as-usual-facebook-russia-and-hate-speech/

09:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: counterpunch.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/15/business-as-usual-facebook-russia-and-hate-speech/

09:29 TR Bot; as Usual: Facebook, Russia and Hate Speech - CounterPunch.org

09:30 TR News; "ICE wants data and doesnt care how it gets it. Its recently-elevated pursuit of all things not considered naturally American has increased its demands for information" https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/sen-ron-wyden-catches-ice-illegally-collecting-americans-financial-data/

09:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/sen-ron-wyden-catches-ice-illegally-collecting-americans-financial-data/

09:30 TR Bot; Ron Wyden Catches ICE Illegally Collecting Americans Financial Data | Techdirt

09:32 TR News; ApocaPi Now Is A Cyberdeck For What Comes After https://hackaday.com/2022/03/15/apocapi-now-is-a-cyberdeck-for-what-comes-after/

09:32 TR Bot; Now Is A Cyberdeck For What Comes After | Hackaday

09:33 TR News; "Are you a math aficionado in need of a new desk toy? Then do we have the project for you. With nothing more than an Arduino and a seven-segment LED module" https://hackaday.com/2022/03/15/simple-arduino-build-lets-you-keep-an-eye-on-pi/

09:33 TR Bot; Arduino Build Lets You Keep An Eye On Pi | Hackaday

09:41 TR News; Lumen is breaking the Net to help Empire https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/telecom-giant-lumen-punishes-putin-by-encouraging-his-plan-for-a-censored-splinternet/ see http://techrights.org/2022/03/09/breaking-internet/

09:41 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/telecom-giant-lumen-punishes-putin-by-encouraging-his-plan-for-a-censored-splinternet/

09:41 TR Bot; Giant Lumen Punishes Putin By Encouraging His Plan For A Censored Splinternet | Techdirt

09:41 TR Bot; The Internet is Breaking and We Need Contingencies | Techrights

09:42 TR News; UK human rights under attack by Vladimir Borisnaro https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/uks-online-safety-bill-to-criminalize-dick-pics-and-hold-social-media-companies-liable-for-any-that-are-sent/

09:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/uks-online-safety-bill-to-criminalize-dick-pics-and-hold-social-media-companies-liable-for-any-that-are-sent/

09:42 TR Bot; Online Safety Bill To Criminalize Dick Pics And Hold Social Media Companies Liable For Any That Are Sent | Techdirt

09:44 TR News; "And, what am I doing instead of school? Nothing, really. I wish I was working on cool projects and stuff as I used to; but no, I'm not. No more meaningful projects since mid-2019." gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-06-12-doing-terrible-in-school.gmi

09:46 TR News; Gulag uses Mozills: "antitrust-shield (a.k.a. firefox) killed classic extensions" gemini://nytpu.com/gemlog/2021-01-10.gmi

09:50 TR News; Internet censorship https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/preeminent-constitutional-legal-scholar-files-embarrassingly-confused-amicus-brief-in-favor-of-texas-ability-to-tell-websites-how-to-moderate/

09:50 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/preeminent-constitutional-legal-scholar-files-embarrassingly-confused-amicus-brief-in-favor-of-texas-ability-to-tell-websites-how-to-moderate/

09:50 TR Bot; Constitutional Legal Scholar Files Embarrassingly Confused Amicus Brief In Favor Of Texas Ability To Tell Websites How To Moderate | Techdirt

09:51 TR News; Why does techdirt say "IP"? https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/new-york-times-begins-the-wordle-ip-purge-gets-wordle-archive-taken-down/

09:51 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techdirt.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techdirt.com/2022/03/15/new-york-times-begins-the-wordle-ip-purge-gets-wordle-archive-taken-down/

09:51 TR Bot; York Times Begins The Wordle IP Purge, Gets Wordle Archive Taken Down | Techdirt

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09:57 DaemonFC; THere's a Linux 5.16 kernel in Debian backports now.

09:57 DaemonFC; I noticed they started the freeze for Debian 12 already, even though it won't be out for more than a year.

09:57 DaemonFC; That's.....highly unusual amond distributions.

10 AM, March 16

10:00 matey; is it lts?

10:00 DaemonFC; All Debian releases are basically LTS.

10:00 matey; i used to agree

10:00 XRevan86; kingoffrance: Putin's polittechnologists absolutely monitor the social networks, both for censorship and to check what opinions fly.

10:00 DaemonFC; Officially, they're supported for at least 5 years, but I understand they usually go on for some time after that.

10:00 matey; for clarification, see mincer

10:00 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 20.61 k/sec., IPFS upstream 65.53 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.73

10:00 IPFS; 277.76

10:00 matey; i mean for what its worth, what youre saying is exactly what i used to like about them

10:01 DaemonFC; There used to be EOL support for Fedora...

10:01 DaemonFC; Until there got to be WAY too many Fedora releases to do that for at once.

10:01 matey; no one has supported fedoras eol like ibm

10:01 kingoffrance; XRevan86, i believe it, and "the west" too . somewhere in the scroll back that was suggested :D

10:01 matey; or worked harder to bring it about

10:01 kingoffrance; that twitter thing is not surprising, just a link...but that's how they sell it to governments

10:01 DaemonFC; Fedora Legacy was supporting Red Hat Linux 9 through like Fedora 4 by the time they announced they were going to stop.

10:02 kingoffrance; it states the intention/goals anyway. supposed to be a "revival" of town square type thing

10:02 kingoffrance; that politicians could not talk to citizens without it

10:02 matey; funny how fedora had a concept of actual support

10:02 kingoffrance; same way they always answer the phone, and your letters, and emails...

10:02 matey; and it interfered with red hats deformed concept of support

10:02 kingoffrance; twitter they will magically answer your tweets lol

10:03 DaemonFC; So did Microsoft at one point.

10:03 kingoffrance; *politicians and gov employees

10:03 DaemonFC; They had a 1-800 number you could call and get support for Windows. Even if it was OEM.

10:04 DaemonFC; Then they changed it to "Only retail editions." which almost nobody buys.

10:04 DaemonFC; Retail SKUs are uncommon because most people building their own PC either don't want Windows or just go some place with suspiciously cheap OEM licenses, or pirate it.

10:05 matey; or just go some place with suspiciously cheap OEM licenses <- like crazy phils oem license and bait shop

10:06 matey; closed on wednesdays

10:11 TR News; "Until some late night wandering down the alleys I had never heard of gemini (avoids the glaring stares), but the regulars are a friendly bunch." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/835

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10:21 TR News; Greg Guice To Testify Before House Energy & Commerce Committee on 5G - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/greg-guice-to-testify-before-house-energy-commerce-committee-on-5g/

10:21 TR Bot; Greg Guice To Testify Before House Energy & Commerce Committee on 5G - Public Knowledge

10:21 TR News; IFF Explains: Bharat Financial Inclusion Limited Loan 'glitch'; https://internetfreedom.in/bfil-consent-scam/

10:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: internetfreedom.in | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://internetfreedom.in/bfil-consent-scam/

10:21 TR Bot; IFF Explains: Bharat Financial Inclusion Limited Loan 'glitch'

10:29 TR News; "Removed infodump regarding Down's syndrome health problems." gemini://avalos.me/gemlog/2021-04-16-you-know-what-i-support-rms.gmi

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10:33 DaemonFC; <matey> or just go some place with suspiciously cheap OEM licenses <- like crazy phils oem license and bait shop

10:34 DaemonFC; Criminals who clone credit cards buy OEM licenses in bulk.

10:34 DaemonFC; Then they sell them to these stores and you get them for $20 or so.

10:34 DaemonFC; Then when Microsoft gets the chargeback, they invalidate the license and Windows Activation reverts to "not activated" and you never see those two sawbucks again.

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10:53 DaemonFC; MinceR, I always remind people of the New Orleans Police Department when they tell me the cops are the good guys.

10:53 DaemonFC; I say, "Yeah, like Katrina where instead of restoring order, the police went around robbing and shooting, and looting.

10:54 DaemonFC; They had the police disarming people who had not committed a crime.

10:54 DaemonFC; There was no "martial law" order at any point during the disaster.

10:54 DaemonFC; Most of those people were carrying guns (legally) because the police weren't protecting them from anything.

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10:57 TR News; Paid-for SPAM/garbage. Linux Foundation polluting "Linux" sites with its diploma mill stuff, which lowers the change they'll ever speak out against it. https://news.itsfoss.com/cloud-native-developer-bootcamp-launch/

10:57 Alternative link; Cloudflare: itsfoss.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://news.itsfoss.com/cloud-native-developer-bootcamp-launch/

10:57 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Launches New Bootcamp to Create More Cloud Native Developers - It's FOSS News

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10:59 DaemonFC; MinceR, My favorite Katrina video was the police showing up and looting Walmart.

10:59 DaemonFC; One of those black lady cops starts grabbing shoes and stuff.

10:59 DaemonFC; Just walks right off with all of it.

11 AM, March 16

11:00 DaemonFC; Threatens the guy for recording them, of course.

11:00 schestowitz-TR; nothing to do with techrights

11:01 schestowitz-TR; quit doing this...

11:01 DaemonFC; This was a long time before the cops started playing music to get YouTube to take down the video.

11:01 DaemonFC; It's probably still out there.

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11:02 DaemonFC; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MJfB8EKWoA

11:02 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=7MJfB8EKWoA

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11:02 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Hurricane Katrina Police looting Walmart MSNBC - Invidious

11:03 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162603

11:03 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

11:03 DaemonFC; The police in Round Lake Beach and Gurnee didn't do anything in 2020.

11:03 DaemonFC; They picked the Walmarts clean.

11:04 DaemonFC; The cops in Waukegan surprisingly actually showed up and kept the looters out of the store completely.

11:05 DaemonFC; I was worried they'd destroy the store and that my spouse would be sent home without pay until someone could clean it all up.

11:05 TR News; "Apache Camel is known as the Swiss knife of integration, and you probably grasped by now that Camel goes even further than that. It offers a wide variety of different runtimes that help propagate a solid foundation for integrations." https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/16/choose-best-camel-your-integration-ride-part-3

11:05 TR Bot; Choose the best camel for your integration ride, Part 3 | Red Hat Developer

11:05 DaemonFC; The people who suffer are always the honest people who aren't doing anything wrong.

11:06 TR News; ICBM on neglecting the human element? https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/digital-transformation-human-mistakes-avoid

11:06 TR Bot; Digital transformation: 5 'human' mistakes to avoid | The Enterprisers Project

11:07 TR News; Maybe the problem is not "skills shortage" but a hype issue. Maybe Kubernetes is being overused and promoted for support contracts by ICBM. https://enterprisersproject.com/article/2022/3/address-kubernetes-skills-shortage

11:07 TR Bot; IT talent: 4 ways to address a Kubernetes skills shortage | The Enterprisers Project

11:08 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: sttfu and get back on topic

11:08 schestowitz-TR; quite interjecting racism

11:08 schestowitz-TR; *quit

11:09 SomeH4x0r; topic?

11:09 schestowitz-TR; yes, there is a topic

11:09 schestowitz-TR; #techrights

11:09 schestowitz-TR; not #IHateBlacks

11:09 TR News; "curl-minimal would disable lesser used protocols and features. The discussion around exactly which parts it should disable is ongoing. The proposal was at least initially shut down by the Fedora Steering Committee" https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/16/fedora-and-curl-minimal/

11:09 Alternative link; Cloudflare: haxx.se | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/03/16/fedora-and-curl-minimal/

11:09 TR Bot; and curl-minimal | daniel.haxx.se

11:09 DaemonFC; They already have several perfectly good failed states down south.

11:10 DaemonFC; I don't know why people have to come fuck up the midwest. We don't need any help with that.

11:10 DaemonFC; 80% of HIV/AIDS deaths in America today happen in 5 states.

11:11 TR News; "But what happens when you install more than one version of Java on your system? In that case, you'll have to take on the extra responsibility of understanding where each version's JAVA_HOME is located." This week ICBM Red Hat outsourced its site to Amazon. https://opensource.com/article/22/3/find-java-home

11:11 TR Bot; to find your Java Home when running multiple versions | Opensource.com

11:11 DaemonFC; There's a lot of proxies for "I don't want to live THERE because..." that I look at closely.

11:11 DaemonFC; Mom was like, "Oh, let's move to Mississippi, they're cheap." I was like, "Let me list why you don't want to do that.".

11:12 TR News; This is not a problem with Linux, but to distract from massive Microsoft breaches they'd latch onto anything at this stage... https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2022/03/16/attackers-using-default-credentials/

11:12 TR Bot; Attackers using default credentials to target businesses, Raspberry Pi and Linux top targets - Help Net Security

11:12 DaemonFC; activelow mentioned the lingering effects of Communism on the area of the former East Germany.

11:13 DaemonFC; Parts of the United States had the same phenomenon, kind of. They never recovered economically from the Civil War.

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11:13 DaemonFC; Despite a ton of welfare and subsidies, they never recovered.

11:14 matey; Then when Microsoft gets the chargeback, they invalidate the license and Windows Activation reverts to "not activated" and you never see those two sawbucks again. <- ive been scammed before, it sucks

11:14 matey; nothing on par with windows itself in terms of a scam, but still

11:14 DaemonFC; Maybe I should write an article on the failure of transfer payments to stimulate a bad economy.

11:14 DaemonFC; Send it to RMS.

11:14 SomeH4x0r; hi matey

11:14 matey; hi SomeH4x0r

11:14 SomeH4x0r; matey: it does not revert

11:14 TR News; The Dutch are implementing Stalin's Dream https://blogs.fsfe.org/nico.rikken/2022/03/16/dutch-digital-identity-system-crisis/ governments that mandate "mobile" like that are not worth having. Zero legitimacy.

11:14 SomeH4x0r; however, you won't be able to reactivate

11:14 TR Bot; Dutch digital identity system crisis nico.rikkens blog

11:14 matey; windows?

11:15 SomeH4x0r; yes

11:15 DaemonFC; Sometimes Microsoft will give you a free license if you rat out the people who sold it to you like that.

11:15 matey; oh im not bothered, i havent used it in more than a decade

11:15 matey; except for a few minutes here and there when borrowing a machine or two

11:15 DaemonFC; They are very interested in PC builders who use activation exploits.

11:15 DaemonFC; And they will find out.

11:15 matey; like liam neeson

11:16 DaemonFC; Liam Neeson is one of the best actors ever.

11:16 DaemonFC; He even gets bad movies and makes them tolerable to sit through.

11:16 matey; hes not bad

11:16 matey; he couldnt save "tree of life"

11:16 matey; im not sure he was in it, but it wouldnt make any difference

11:17 DaemonFC; He's like what Captain Picard (Patrick Stewart) is to Star Trek: TNG.

11:17 matey; i would say tng wasnt that bad

11:17 DaemonFC; Most of the episodes are really badly written, but he's a strong lead.

11:17 DaemonFC; So it limps by because of him.

11:17 matey; i mean im not sure id believe it, but i would say it

11:17 matey; but ds9 started and stewart couldnt

11:18 matey; until season 2, when everything started getting alright

11:18 matey; i mean he was only there for 5 minutes, he probably gave up after that

11:18 matey; "ive got to get in a WHEElchaihhh"

11:19 DaemonFC; If they had transferred Picard to DS9, that would have made DS9 a better show.

11:19 DaemonFC; He did the TNG movies though.

11:19 matey; dont tell me you didnt like the blacks in ds9 either, sisko was awesome (again, after season 1)

11:20 DaemonFC; With a Hollywood movie budget, TNG did a lot better than it did on TV.

11:20 DaemonFC; That bottle episode of TNG with Riker getting attacked by the tree with the darts with the virus in them is what I skip every time.

11:20 DaemonFC; It was done during a writer's guild strike.

11:20 DaemonFC; The episode is absolute trash.

11:21 matey; tng had some really weird episodes

11:21 TR News; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162604

11:21 TR Bot; Fedora and IBM/Red Hat | Tux Machines

11:21 matey; i dont mean sci fi weird, i mean "what were they thinking" weird

11:22 matey; like how did that make it past the script

11:22 matey; and stuff that didnt even seem to fit the rest of the show, let alone the storyline

11:22 TR News; "While debugging, its invaluable to be able to trace functions in the Linux kernel. There are several tools for that task: perf, ftrace (with helper tool like trace-cmd), bpftrace, etc." https://politreco.com/2022/03/tracepoints-and-kernel-modules/

11:22 matey; "no ones watching this week anyway, lets run whatever this is"

11:22 TR Bot; Tracepoints and kernelmodules

11:22 DaemonFC; Well, in the future, a lot of the crime has gone away just because there's no scarcity anymore.

11:23 DaemonFC; Race relations probably would improve if anyone can walk up to a replicator and get food and clothes, and there's no money anymore so no payday lenders and landlords.

11:24 matey; marx said the same thing

11:24 matey; minus the replicator per se

11:25 DaemonFC; We're being squeezed worse than ever for food, fuel, rent, everything.

11:25 DaemonFC; Worse than ever.

11:25 matey; yeah nothing actually works if everything flows from the poor to the rich

11:26 DaemonFC; But Communist countries never did figure out how to deal with shortages or consumer demand for that answer.

11:26 DaemonFC; Sticking it all in the hands of politicians doesn't solve things.

11:26 DaemonFC; It gives you different problems.

11:26 matey; sticking it all in the hands of politicians was never the plan at all

11:27 DaemonFC; In many ways, the Soviet Union (and China today) are more Dickens than Marx.

11:27 matey; its very true

11:27 DaemonFC; They eliminate homelessness and unemployment.

11:27 DaemonFC; How?

11:27 DaemonFC; "Are there no prisons!? No work camps!?"

11:28 matey; the main difference between marxism and anarchism is the list of steps to get there

11:29 matey; creating stalin is not one of those steps

11:29 DaemonFC; Communism is a fantasy document because......

11:29 DaemonFC; People will accept their needs being met and nothing more.

11:29 matey; thats not historically true

11:29 DaemonFC; Politicians who get power will just lay it down to transition away from a state....

11:30 matey; this is a straw man, but its an understandable one

11:30 DaemonFC; Soviet politics seemed to be worse than American politics.

11:30 DaemonFC; You couldn't get toilet paper.

11:30 DaemonFC; But they built 60,000 nuclear weapons.

11:30 matey; soviet politics dovetailed with hitlers

11:30 matey; they were monstrous

11:31 matey; lethal, treacherous

11:31 matey; but thats during stalin

11:31 matey; and how it got that way is an important lesson (as is how hitler rose to power)

11:31 matey; heres a fun fact i learned today

11:32 matey; churchills favourite cognac?

11:32 matey; ararat, from the soviet union

11:32 matey; stalin used to ship him a case now and then

11:32 matey; i mean thats not a scandal, its a glimpse into the reality of the era though

11:32 DaemonFC; Yes, and Stalin liked Coca Cola so much there was a secret product made just for him.

11:33 DaemonFC; "White Coke" which was intended to not make it obvious what he was drinking.

11:33 matey; coca cola was never a nice company

11:33 matey; and stalin was never a nice leader

11:33 matey; russian hitler basically

11:33 DaemonFC; While Russians had to make do with whatever they could get and were told that the West was degenerate, Stalin was cracking open cans of Coke smuggled in through embassies in Moscow.

11:34 matey; oh it wasnt just stalin-- but it was because of stalin

11:34 matey; the state under his leadership was like that in general

11:34 matey; anyone who wants to understand the state of free software should read about the russian revolution

11:35 DaemonFC; How could a nation state not replicate Coca Cola?

11:35 matey; secret formula!

11:35 matey; besides, why make your own milk when the company will send you one of their own famous cows?

11:35 DaemonFC; I mean, that's why you just keep tweaking it and tasting the results.

11:36 matey; youre missing the point that these were tokens of friendship

11:37 matey; stalin sold out his own country on many fronts: british, german, american

11:37 matey; his regime wasnt just the antithesis of what people in russia fought for

11:37 TR News; First Ever Eco-Certified Computer Program: KDEs Popular PDF Reader Okular Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162605

11:37 TR Bot; First Ever Eco-Certified Computer Program: KDE's Popular PDF Reader Okular | Tux Machines

11:37 matey; he literally rounded them all up and killed them (anyone left over from the victories of the past)

11:37 TR News; DevTerm modular Linux terminal gets a RISC-V module compatible with Raspberry Pi CM3 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162606

11:37 TR Bot; DevTerm modular Linux terminal gets a RISC-V module compatible with Raspberry Pi CM3 | Tux Machines

11:38 TR News; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Corel VideoStudio Pro Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162607

11:38 TR Bot; Best Free and Open Source Alternatives to Corel VideoStudio Pro | Tux Machines

11:38 TR News; 1-Stream IPTV streaming software offers an alternative to Xtream Codes Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162608

11:38 TR Bot; 1-Stream IPTV streaming software offers an alternative to Xtream Codes | Tux Machines

11:38 DaemonFC; I always figured those disgusting supermarket brand sodas were designed to be bad on purpose.

11:38 matey; theyre still a mystery to me

11:38 DaemonFC; To move more Coke and Pepsi.

11:38 matey; that would explain a lot

11:39 DaemonFC; They have "budget" cigarettes too that you can only find in discount tobacco shops on the bad side of town.

11:40 matey; im sure its different when youre talking about an addiction of that magnatude

11:40 DaemonFC; People save another dollar or something and then the entire apartment complex gets gassed by what they're up there smoking.

11:40 matey; not that sugar isnt addictive

11:40 DaemonFC; It smells less like a Marlboro and more like someone drew a pentagram on the floor upstairs and conjured Satan.

11:40 matey; it even says so right on the box

11:40 DaemonFC; I can't imagine that those infamous Russian cigarettes are much worse than that.

11:41 matey; the surgeon general had to phrase things carefully to avoid "church and state" issues

11:41 TR News; Rust outsourced almost everything to proprietary software of Microsoft. You probably do not want software based on Rust. https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2022/03/16/CTCFT-march.html

11:41 TR Bot; CTCFT 2022-03-21 Agenda | Inside Rust Blog

11:41 DaemonFC; They still make those apparently, and the state still owns it.

11:41 matey; you should never underestimate the horribleness of russian products under stalin

11:41 DaemonFC; I'm surprised that the Chinese even allows smoking.

11:41 matey; population control?

11:41 matey; two birds with one smoke

11:42 DaemonFC; When I was unloading a truck one day in 2003, I found a lighter that played some music.

11:42 matey; taps?

11:42 DaemonFC; Then I got a few more rows back and found someone's wallet and cigarettes.

11:42 DaemonFC; I lit one of the cigarettes and took a drag off of it. It was the most horrible thing ever.

11:42 matey; honestly i figure tobacco has an important cultural history in china or something

11:42 matey; maybe not as cigarettes though

11:43 matey; but as long as smoking tobacco is allowed

11:43 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162609

11:43 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

11:43 matey; i think pipe smoking goes back a ways

11:44 DaemonFC; Smoking used to be allowed anywhere in the US.

11:44 DaemonFC; It was so common there were disposable ash trays at most fast food restaurants.

11:44 matey; the us has a history with prohibition

11:44 matey; hey i remember when they had ashtrays on PLANES

11:44 TR News; This is how Windows will die. And users of Windows will not be able to concentrate or be productive. https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/15/22979251/microsoft-file-explorer-ads-windows-11-testing

11:44 TR Bot; Microsoft says Windows 11 File Explorer ads were not intended to be published externally - The Verge

11:44 matey; before they were headphone jacks

11:45 kingoffrance; im sure you've seen the mainframe with built-in ashtray

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11:45 kingoffrance; the caption reads "some vices were permitted" it was military or navy underground IIRC

11:45 matey; granted i thought they were disgusting, but if you didnt put your fingers in them they only smelled foul

11:45 matey; some vices were permitted <- they should write that under the flag itself

11:45 TR News; Microsoft is lying to the media. But it also bribes the media. So a lot of the media repeats the lies.

11:45 kingoffrance; there was a book of just photos of various computers

11:46 matey; id love to see that book

11:46 bnchs; gulagtube search engine, you search videos of tragedies like "christchurch shooting video", you get thousands of news reports instead

11:46 matey; im sure you've seen the mainframe with built-in ashtray <- sounds like a pdp7 option

11:47 kingoffrance; also allowed at jurassic park on thinking machines and sgi

11:47 bnchs; this also applies to gulag

11:47 bnchs; where they deindexed kiwi farms for distributing the video (on torrent)

11:49 TR News; New buzzwords for storage layer with surveillance built in -- basically a massive regression peddled by companies that work for spy agencies https://ubuntu.com//blog/cloud-adjacent-storage

11:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: ubuntu.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://ubuntu.com//blog/cloud-adjacent-storage

11:49 TR Bot; Adjacent Storage | Ubuntu

11:49 matey; https://www.geekwire.com/2017/museum-makes-moldy-machines-work-saving-historic-computers-future/ "A lot of the mainframes and minis built in the 1960s and '70s had ashtrays built into the counters," Carlson said. "You'd be sitting there working on the machine and, of course, you're smoking a...

11:49 Alternative link; Cloudflare: geekwire.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.geekwire.com/2017/museum-makes-moldy-machines-work-saving-historic-computers-future/

11:49 TR Bot; this museum makes moldy machines work again, saving historic computers for the future - GeekWire

11:50 matey; needs special floors, special power and special cooling-- but sure, go ahead and light up

11:51 TR News; Letting people use Windows? That sounds like much greater a shadow than what's described here. https://www.fosslife.org/what-shadow-it

11:51 TR Bot; What Is Shadow IT?

11:51 matey; then again if they were square about it im sure they would have slightly less talent

11:51 matey; sometimes youd think people didnt find out it was unhealthy until the 80s

11:52 TR News; Windows is designed to be not secure. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_and_the_NSA

11:52 TR Bot; Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights

11:56 TR News; Picolibc 1.7.5 is released, but Keith Packard will need to remove it from Microsoft proprietary software GitHub for it to be taken seriously. It's a no-go when people outsource like this. It says a lot. https://keithp.com/picolibc/

11:56 TR Bot; picolibc

11:57 DaemonFC; https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/16/russia-oligarchs-democracy-britain-london-politics

11:57 TR Bot; We claim Britain is an ethical democracy - but oligarchs know thats not true | Rafael Behr | The Guardian

11:57 TR News; The worse issue is, that's proprietary so you cannot fix bugs in Qt. "This massive number results in a higher likelihood that there are bugs that go unnoticed lying around in its less frequently used features or combination of features." https://www.kdab.com/the-qt-less-traveled/

11:57 TR Bot; Qt Less Traveled - KDAB

11:57 DaemonFC; Ethical democracy.....just like the US. When you lose your job and lose your house, you go from being Bob down the street to just another piece of "fair game" for the police.

11:59 TR News; "ICBM and its Red Hat subsidiary are working with Microsoft" so remember to quit buying things from ICBM. They are not our allies. https://www.itjungle.com/2022/03/16/project-aims-to-port-net-framework-to-power/ http://techrights.org/2022/03/03/state-of-proprietary-software/

11:59 TR Bot; Project Aims to Port .NET Framework to Power - IT Jungle

11:59 TR Bot; Red Hats State of Enterprise Open Source Report Made on an Apple Mac Using Proprietary Software | Techrights

11:59 matey; the cops are there to preserve order

11:59 matey; the order is that some people are well off, and everyone else is a potential threat to that

noon, March 16

12:00 matey; it helps if we mispronounce this "justice"

12:00 matey; it helps them i mean

12:00 schestowitz-TR; just us

12:00 matey; just ice

12:00 schestowitz-TR; "hello, police? Yes. well, my slave has flked..."

12:01 schestowitz-TR; *fled

12:01 schestowitz-TR; eloped

12:01 schestowitz-TR; slave: "hello, police? I've just escaped someone who abuse me"

12:01 schestowitz-TR; police: *hangs up*

12:05 bnchs; search engines nowadays cant give you the thing that you're looking for

12:05 bnchs; if its related to covid vaccines

12:05 bnchs; or anything bad

12:06 DaemonFC; Well, the police did return one of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims to him and then laughed about it.

12:07 TR News; KDE's Okular becomes the world's first eco-certified computer program http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162605#comment-33075

12:07 bnchs; lol okular

12:07 matey; the police werent very woke at the time

12:08 bnchs; depends on a dependency that has sub dependencies that depends on QT5 WEBENGINE

12:08 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: I agree with you on that

12:08 TR Bot; First Ever Eco-Certified Computer Program: KDE's Popular PDF Reader Okular | Tux Machines

12:08 schestowitz-TR; but earlier you mentioned massacare footage

12:08 bnchs; yes that was an example

12:08 schestowitz-TR; I worry about the minds of people who WANT to watch that

12:08 schestowitz-TR; also, that might reward the terrorism

12:08 schestowitz-TR; it might even give incentive to copycats

12:09 matey; a greater concern for brits under thatcher than americans at least

12:09 matey; but most of europe is like that too

12:09 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights

12:09 matey; thatcher loved media blackouts

12:09 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: theres already a few copycats

12:09 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has left #techrights

12:09 matey; for fighting terrorism of course

12:09 *psydroid2 (~psydroid@memzbmehf99re.irc) has joined #techrights

12:09 bnchs; one was a fatass and failed

12:09 bnchs; but anyway i hate media blackouts

12:10 schestowitz-TR; that's not a media blackout per se

12:10 schestowitz-TR; the terror footage

12:10 schestowitz-TR; a lot of media footage is watered down

12:10 *psydruid (~psydruid@jevhxkzmtrbww.irc) has joined #techrights

12:10 schestowitz-TR; not showing you corporse

12:10 schestowitz-TR; as it can also shock families of victims

12:10 *techrights-ipfs-bot (~techrights-ipfs-bot@pumv3cb2rfinu.irc) has joined #techrights

12:10 schestowitz-TR; not only viewers

12:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 26.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.77

12:10 matey; these days a lot of people want to analyse footage for non-macabre reasons

12:10 bnchs; yes its watered down

12:10 matey; for example, theres a lot of crime solving going on online

12:11 bnchs; the day that christchurch shooting happened

12:11 matey; they use real footage for clues and solve actual mysteries

12:11 bnchs; the media only showed seconds of the footage

12:11 matey; sometimes

12:11 bnchs; also christchurch was the day

12:11 matey; as unpleasant as the footage is, it does have legitimate purposes. sony v betamax comes to mind

12:11 matey; if there is a legitimate use...

12:11 bnchs; that gulagtube removed the ability to sort videos

12:11 bnchs; temporarily

12:12 matey; of course reason isnt likely to win out because look, dead bodies

12:12 matey; but theres still a rational argument to be made for not banning the footage outright

12:12 bnchs; i actually did watch the footage

12:12 bnchs; it was too low quality

12:13 bnchs; most likely because it was boardcasting in facebook live

12:13 bnchs; and some gopro-to-live stream middleware

12:15 bnchs; anyway schestowitz-TR, people should have the right to look for the uncut footage

12:15 bnchs; mainly for educational reasons

12:15 schestowitz-TR; defiine eduction

12:15 schestowitz-TR; how to maximise headshots?

12:15 bnchs; no

12:16 bnchs; there were some footage before he shot up that place

12:16 bnchs; he had weapons with lots of text written on them

12:17 bnchs; and also the places the shooter went looking for

12:18 matey; new features for moodle

12:18 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: that's education?

12:18 bnchs; and theres also a small "shooting" happened that also had the footage released uncut

12:19 bnchs; the shooter was clumsy as fuck

12:19 matey; suddenly all the ads you get while browsing are for ammo and dark clothing

12:19 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: well i dont know

12:19 activelow; DaemonFC: semiconductor manufacturing in east germany was destroyed after 1990

12:19 DaemonFC; Man, cooking bacon in an air fryer is disgusting.

12:20 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: you don't know?

12:20 DaemonFC; Never realized there was this much grease.

12:20 schestowitz-TR; you said it was for education

12:20 schestowitz-TR; it's not

12:20 schestowitz-TR; it's for intelligence

12:20 schestowitz-TR; it is for you to get flagged by your country's intel agencies

12:20 matey; customers who bought this item also liked: black balaclava

12:20 bnchs; really?

12:20 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, They successfully corralled me to online grocery orders.

12:20 bnchs; how is one guy downloading the footage

12:20 bnchs; gonna shoot up something

12:21 DaemonFC; I get more points on the credit card that way so at least there's that.

12:21 bnchs; there are people like me who were curious

12:21 schestowitz-TR; right

12:21 schestowitz-TR; and they make the shortlist

12:21 schestowitz-TR; of people more probable to become shooters

12:22 bnchs; ok

12:22 bnchs; you might aswell flag the media

12:22 bnchs; for downloading the footage

12:22 schestowitz-TR; they look for ways to prevent such incident

12:22 schestowitz-TR; one effective way is,

12:22 bnchs; i guess nobody should be looking at it

12:22 matey; this would be a more interesting conversation if roy were more familiar with the people who actually take an academic interest in footage like this

12:22 schestowitz-TR; find out who studies the thing

12:22 matey; besides sick people i mean

12:22 bnchs; matey: yes

12:23 matey; instead we are going with imagination on one side

12:23 bnchs; they study shooter behavior

12:23 schestowitz-TR; matey: depends on their background

12:23 schestowitz-TR; like, if they are forensic experts

12:23 schestowitz-TR; who try to study how to make public places safer

12:23 schestowitz-TR; or how to train secueity personnel

12:23 matey; there are people interested in becoming forensic experts who have a legitimate interest in footage of violent events

12:23 schestowitz-TR; they don't need to download it from the Web

12:24 schestowitz-TR; the state likely gives them a copy

12:24 matey; nope, this is your imagination again

12:24 matey; the people who actually do this actually get it from the web

12:24 matey; youre just not familiar with the truecrime community

12:24 matey; so you imagine what theyre like

12:25 bnchs; yes

12:25 matey; not that bnchs is doing a great job describing

12:25 matey; but you dont have to to be right

12:25 schestowitz-TR; "I'm not a pedo, I just study this thing"

12:25 bnchs; i cant really describe it

12:26 activelow; DaemonFC: scientists were re-disposed into a "trust fund" "managed" by atlantic bridge minion war ciminals

12:26 matey; if it pleases you to imagine a scenario where your prejudices outweigh reality, no one can stop you from doing so

12:26 matey; but its a real community, not a hypothetical one

12:26 schestowitz-TR; I already trhought long and hard about this

12:26 schestowitz-TR; years ago

12:26 matey; with actual traits, not ones you simply imagine

12:26 schestowitz-TR; blocking access to the manifesto was the more controversial part

12:26 schestowitz-TR; and ISPs chipping in

12:26 activelow; not communists in this case, although they weren't fundementally different

12:27 matey; lol

12:27 matey; not communists in this case, although they weren't fundementally different <- read that as roys comment at first, and wondered how it took that turn

12:27 schestowitz-TR; survivors and families of victims count also

12:27 matey; maybe

12:27 schestowitz-TR; and have a say

12:28 matey; certainly not in all instances

12:28 matey; but possibly in some

12:28 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: the shooting should be preserved for academic and archival reasons

12:28 bnchs; it would help in making public places safer

12:28 matey; its not like the networks got permission from families of 9/11 victims to show those attacks like 100 times a day.

12:28 schestowitz-TR; for access by security personnel

12:29 schestowitz-TR; for training purposes, prevention

12:29 matey; granted its not exactly the same because not a lot of faces in that footage

12:29 bnchs; there wasnt alot of faces in the footage aswell

12:29 bnchs; like i said the footage was so low quality

12:29 matey; i thought you might say that. i havent seen it.

12:29 schestowitz-TR; Denmark got it right

12:29 bnchs; it was mostly blurry

12:30 schestowitz-TR; it would not even name the perpetrator/terrorist

12:30 DaemonFC; Some reasons why the US south failed were the federal government's fault.

12:30 matey; but you did mention the low quality before

12:30 matey; what did denmark do

12:30 schestowitz-TR; no fame, no incentive

12:30 bnchs; yes

12:30 schestowitz-TR; I think only Denmark did this

12:30 schestowitz-TR; that i can recall

12:30 DaemonFC; Some were self-inflicted by state governments who couldn't get over the fact that they lost.

12:30 matey; thats thatchers solution

12:30 matey; i mean, maybe thatcher was right

12:30 matey; but i never jump to the assumption

12:30 bnchs; i mean in 9/11

12:30 bnchs; they named osama bin laden all day long

12:30 DaemonFC; They decided that they'd rather be poor than industrialize and draw in educated people fron the north who would then vote.

12:31 DaemonFC; So they wrote their state constitutions to deter industry, essentially giving up their change at prosperity.

12:31 matey; but eventually saturn moved to smyrna tn etc

12:31 DaemonFC; Now, ironically, industry goes there because they're so poor that if they can get a job for $10 an hour building KIAs then that's what they do.

12:32 DaemonFC; America has its own third world country integrated into the economic zone already.

12:32 matey; it probably helps that most of the people who were against industry moving there would be dead

12:32 DaemonFC; It's called the Deep South.

12:33 DaemonFC; The population remains relatively stable because most people are smart enough to not want to go down there.

12:33 matey; industry does lure many

12:33 matey; or it used to, i dont know about now

12:33 matey; from what youre saying, probably

12:33 DaemonFC; Most of the KIA quality control problems actually aren't from the workers down there being paid so little.

12:34 DaemonFC; They're actually just very badly designed.

12:34 matey; compaq started in a meeting in a crappy little diner basically

12:34 DaemonFC; They ship the parts here and then have factory workers build them from parts.

12:34 matey; i mean maybe the pie was great, i dont know

12:34 TR News; QEMU 7.0 prepared for release https://wiki.qemu.org/ChangeLog/7.0

12:34 TR Bot; ChangeLog/7.0 - QEMU

12:34 DaemonFC; It avoids import duties on cars because they're car parts. As long as you can keep the assembly costs lower than the additional tariff on entire cars, then you assemble here.

12:35 DaemonFC; And you keep labor down by keeping the auto worker unions out.

12:35 DaemonFC; And you make sure your employees know they're not worth much to you so if the union gets in they're finished.

12:35 DaemonFC; If the jobs market was really any good right now, such a threat wouldn't scare anyone.

12:36 matey; but please wont someone think of the profits

12:36 TR News; Ian Barker is at it, boosting Microsoft by attacking "Linux" This is not a problem with Linux, but to distract from massive Microsoft breaches they'd latch onto anything at this stage... https://betanews.com/2022/03/16/linux-and-raspberry-pi-machines-become-top-targets-for-credential-hacking/

12:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: betanews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://betanews.com/2022/03/16/linux-and-raspberry-pi-machines-become-top-targets-for-credential-hacking/

12:36 TR Bot; Linux and Raspberry Pi machines become top targets for credential hacking

12:36 DaemonFC; The worst thing that could possibly happen is you'd fire them from a place they hate and are trying to reform and there's more jobs someplace else.

12:36 DaemonFC; And they'll like it better there.

12:36 DaemonFC; But that's obviously not the case.

12:37 TR News; "Now fixed. The problem was caused by the xserver-xorg moving from autotools to meson. I also had to apply a patch to xephyr source, as reported in the above-linked post." https://bkhome.org/news/202203/xephyr-and-browser-menu-entry-fixes.html

12:37 TR Bot; Xephyr and browser menu entry fixes

12:37 DaemonFC; There's no more money for COVID tests, masks, treatments, or vaccines.

12:37 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, ^

12:37 matey; but enough about mozilla

12:37 DaemonFC; That happened pretty quickly.

12:38 DaemonFC; And now with no protections at all in case you get it, they say take your masks off.

12:38 DaemonFC; Walmart ended paid COVID leave effective March 29th.

12:38 TR News; ICBM "excited to invite you to the first edition of the Fedora Mentor Summit" ... looking for slave or unpaid volunteers for ICBM profits. https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-mentor-summit-is-here/

12:38 bnchs; but

12:38 TR Bot; Fedora Mentor Summit is here! Fedora Community Blog

12:38 DaemonFC; After that, it just depends on how much personal time you have, until you're out, and then they fire you if you hit 4.5 points.

12:38 bnchs; what if i dont want to be vaccinated

12:39 matey; https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-merging-with-foxconn

12:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-merging-with-foxconn

12:39 TR Bot; ( status 404 @ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/firefox-merging-with-foxconn )

12:39 matey; fake news

12:39 TR News; Buzzwords salad from SUSE. Same as Novell over 13 years ago with "agility" https://www.suse.com/c/agile-working-at-suse/

12:39 Alternative link; Cloudflare: suse.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.suse.com/c/agile-working-at-suse/

12:39 TR Bot; Working at SUSE | SUSE Communities

12:40 TR News; E-Ink Digital Paper Tablet is about the size of an A4 or US Letter paper https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/16/e-ink-digital-paper-tablet-is-about-the-size-of-an-a4-or-us-letter-paper/ Linux or Android inside...

12:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cnx-software.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/03/16/e-ink-digital-paper-tablet-is-about-the-size-of-an-a4-or-us-letter-paper/

12:40 TR Bot; E-Ink Digital Paper Tablet is about the size of an A4 or US Letter paper - CNX Software

12:41 TR News; e-ink isn't green. Yes, it reduces the use of paper, but let's not forget how the devices and batteries are made. And the energy generated to run them...

12:42 TR News; Greenwashing can become like a mental illness. People tend to take into account ALL the environmental costs. Selective attention.

12:42 bnchs; does eink work by heating up the paper?

12:42 matey; no

12:42 bnchs; or something else

12:42 matey; electrostatic capsules of powder

12:42 bnchs; oh

12:42 matey; very small

12:42 matey; /me would love an eink monitor, doesnt care about the refresh rate

12:43 schestowitz-TR; you need toproduce these

12:43 schestowitz-TR; and mine materials

12:43 schestowitz-TR; and transport etc.

12:43 schestowitz-TR; paper is still quite efficient

12:43 schestowitz-TR; if not OVERused

12:44 schestowitz-TR; like printing every single draft of a long document

12:44 matey; paper is still quite efficient <- not for a teletype instead of a screen

12:44 matey; m not sure what your argument is, people shouldnt make screens?

12:44 schestowitz-TR; if they want to read books

12:44 schestowitz-TR; they are better off taking them from a friend or library

12:44 DaemonFC; Obviously, the sanctions do seem to be frustrating Pootie Poot, a lot.

12:45 schestowitz-TR; to read a book you should not need all this complexity

12:45 schestowitz-TR; same for cooking recipes

12:45 schestowitz-TR; or fridges with computers on them

12:45 schestowitz-TR; what for?

12:45 matey; and for websites you should just get a newspaper

12:45 schestowitz-TR; companies use these gimmicks

12:45 schestowitz-TR; and those computers where they don't belong

12:45 DaemonFC; The Russians are now willing to end the war, apparently, in exchange for Ukraine taking "neutrality" towards NATO. Other countries say sanctions won't go away unless Russia agrees to war reparations.

12:45 DaemonFC; So either way, the Russians have lost the war.

12:45 schestowitz-TR; matey: no, news changes fast

12:46 DaemonFC; Their economy will die either due to sanctions or to war reparations.

12:46 schestowitz-TR; and newspapers get discarded the same day

12:46 schestowitz-TR; I said books

12:46 DaemonFC; They get to choose.

12:46 matey; theres a load of old books on the internet archive

12:46 matey; you can read them on a screen

12:46 matey; printing them would be a bit silly

12:46 *psydroid2 grabs a webnewspaper to read

12:46 matey; wikipedia would be much nicer on eink imo

12:46 DaemonFC; I think that the US and EU should just turn over the money it froze from Russia's forex accounts to Ukraine.

12:47 matey; but im just talking about a monitor

12:47 matey; not a self-contained ereader

12:47 schestowitz-TR; there's also the footprint of connections inftra

12:47 DaemonFC; They say the damage to property is roughly half a trillion dollars and we've seized about $400 billion I think.

12:47 matey; i dont think you understand that im just talking about a monitor

12:47 matey; if youre against computer monitors now youre sillier than i thought

12:47 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: the US economy ios collapsing

12:47 DaemonFC; So if the Russians won't make installments on those damages, we should just refuse to ever pay them their reserves and pay them directly to Ukraine.

12:47 schestowitz-TR; US media: LOOK OVER THA'!!! THE PUTINS !!

12:48 schestowitz-TR; matey: I said books

12:48 schestowitz-TR; you said newspapers

12:48 schestowitz-TR; then wikipedia

12:48 schestowitz-TR; there is also the production cost

12:48 matey; actually i said books as well

12:48 DaemonFC; I've heard some media speculation that Russia might pay their foreign debts with Chinese Yuan.

12:48 schestowitz-TR; a books can be passed on

12:48 DaemonFC; That would be unlikely.

12:49 schestowitz-TR; or borrowed from the library

12:49 matey; the production cost of monitors?

12:49 schestowitz-TR; of everything electronic

12:49 DaemonFC; The Chinese economy actually has exports of things other than oil and gas, so their currency is still worth something.

12:49 schestowitz-TR; cost to the planet

12:49 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/01/02/article-on-digital-rights-in-2021-part-9/

12:49 matey; #techrights : 03/16/22 12:42 <matey> /me would love an eink monitor, doesnt care about the refresh rate

12:49 TR Bot; My Year as a Digital Vegan Part IX Hard Reckonings: The Nine Circles of E-Waste | Techrights

12:49 DaemonFC; The Ruble isn't really money, except internally, in Russia.

12:50 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: the dollar stagnates too

12:50 matey; that was 7 minutes ago #techrights : 03/16/22 12:42 <matey> /me would love an eink monitor

12:50 DaemonFC; It's only valuable to the extent that it's given value by reserve currencies that buy their oil and gas.

12:50 schestowitz-TR; https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/598257-saudi-arabia-considers-accepting-yuan-instead-of-dollar-for-oil

12:50 TR Bot; Arabia reportedly considering accepting yuan instead of dollar for oil sales | TheHill

12:50 matey; then you started talking about books

12:50 DaemonFC; They've been saying that since the 90s, Roy.

12:50 DaemonFC; They never do it.

12:50 DaemonFC; Saddam considered something similar and look what happened to him.

12:50 DaemonFC; No more Saddam.

12:51 bnchs; schestowitz-TR: what about DRM on digital scans of books

12:51 bnchs; or books

12:51 schestowitz-TR; 'books'

12:51 bnchs; internet archive: has a digital rental system (which is retarded)

12:51 schestowitz-TR; good luck reading them a year or a decade later

12:51 bnchs; you have to "return" the book

12:51 bnchs; after a week

12:51 matey; i dont use their bullshit drm rentals

12:51 DaemonFC; There's also a lot of ways to punish the Saudis for this without going to war with them.

12:52 bnchs; its bullshit

12:52 matey; the fsfs policy on this is sane

12:52 matey; dont use drm

12:52 DaemonFC; They like to buy weapons from us. They don't want a lot of extra oil capacity on the market competing with theirs.

12:52 kingoffrance; ^^^ yeah and people were suing IIRC saying that "rental" system is too much violates whatever law

12:52 matey; now, once you cut out all the drm crap from the internet archive

12:52 bnchs; its not like the books have limited copies

12:52 DaemonFC; If we lift sanctions on other countries and start pumping more of our own oil, then Saudi Arabia is finished.

12:52 matey; MOST of the books on there are drm free

12:52 bnchs; like in a physical library

12:52 DaemonFC; So there's a limit to how far those threats can go.

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12:52 bnchs; but the internet archive wants to bring that back again

12:53 matey; bring what back again

12:53 bnchs; the reason why libraries make you return books

12:53 bnchs; is because there are limited copies

12:53 matey; even though im 100% against their drm titles

12:53 bnchs; and you dont own it obviously

12:53 matey; i dont think thats the motiviation for the internet archive really

12:53 matey; their logic is, we can offer MORE books if we placate these drm arseholes

12:54 matey; which is a position im against

12:54 DaemonFC; The reason there's limited copies is because of the DRM and copyright laws. You can go find unlimited copies someone else has made on the Internet.

12:54 bnchs; theres actually software that helps crack the adobe DRM on the books

12:54 matey; but its not "hey drm is cool lets have more"

12:54 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, SurfShark was sued by the MPAA last year apparently.

12:54 DaemonFC; May have something to do with NordVPN taking them over.

12:54 matey; You can go find unlimited copies someone else has made on the Internet. <- which for books with drm is a better option

12:54 bnchs; DaemonFC: what about limited physical copiea

12:54 matey; drm should never be on books

12:55 matey; people who add drm to books should be launched into space

12:55 DaemonFC; The way I understand it, most VPNs have no logs to turn over because their hosting providers can't actually see what you're doing.

12:55 DaemonFC; Due to the encryption.

12:55 bnchs; matey: theres software (i think on libgen) that cracks the DRM on the PDF files

12:55 matey; good

12:55 bnchs; libgen > internet archive

12:55 matey; once again

12:55 DaemonFC; The MPAA was demanding information from the service providers about SOCKS Proxy users, which it may well get because those are unencrypted.

12:55 matey; i never recommend books on the internet archive with drm.

12:56 bnchs; yes

12:56 matey; but there are countless things there that dont have it.

12:56 bnchs; when i saw their rental system, i thought it was bullshit

12:56 matey; also its easier to put your own book on internet archive than libgen

12:56 DaemonFC; The public domain is growing again, finally.

12:56 matey; i know, because i work with people who have dealt with libgen.

12:56 bnchs; matey: libgen has anonymous upload

12:56 bnchs; right?

12:57 matey; im not sure its that simple.

12:57 matey; or maybe this wasnt libgen, maybe it was someone else.

12:57 matey; whats the closest thing to libgen?

12:57 matey; because we did use libgen the first time.

12:58 matey; libgen is the one that moved to russia for copyright reasons i think

12:58 kingoffrance; <libgen.h> is where basename and dirname live :)

12:58 bnchs; libgen has IPFS mirrors

12:58 bnchs; and torrent mirrors

12:58 matey; we had some issues with libgen or something nearly identical to it

12:58 matey; which doesnt mean libgen isnt great

12:58 bnchs; while internet archive sits on thousands of hard drives

12:58 bnchs; with no way to download it all

12:59 matey; /me sighs

12:59 matey; i could just change my nick to not-the-ones-with-drm-ffs

12:59 matey; thats probably too long actually

12:59 bnchs; i uploaded a pdf to libgen

1 PM, March 16

13:00 bnchs; anonymously

13:00 matey; just now?

13:00 bnchs; no

13:00 bnchs; but it was too easy

13:00 matey; ill have another look

13:00 DaemonFC; https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/netflix-removals-government-censorship-takedown-1203496331/

13:00 Alternative link; Cloudflare: variety.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://variety.com/2020/digital/news/netflix-removals-government-censorship-takedown-1203496331/

13:00 TR Bot; Lists TV Shows, Movies Removed After Government Demands - Variety

13:01 bnchs; DaemonFC: yes

13:01 bnchs; funny thing

13:01 bnchs; some christian movie got banned in singapore

13:01 bnchs; after government complain

13:01 DaemonFC; Germany bans Night of the Living Dead>

13:01 matey; bnchs: opentrackr.orgt

13:01 matey; .org

13:02 matey; thats the one we were having trouble with

13:02 bnchs; oh

13:02 matey; for some OTHER reason we tried going from libgen to opentrackr

13:02 matey; but i couldnt tell you why

13:02 DaemonFC; https://m.imdb.com/list/ls005738057/

13:02 TR Bot; Banned in Germany (chronological order) - IMDb

13:03 matey; s/Living Dead/Long Knives/ fixed

13:04 *DaemonFC has quit (Quit: Leaving)

13:04 matey; some christian movie got banned in singapore <- maybe they were chewing gum in the movie

13:05 matey; it sets a bad example

13:05 bnchs; yea

13:06 matey; if people start chewing gum they could start kicking ass

13:06 matey; and that could lead to dancing

13:06 bnchs; you cant have other religion movies in a "muslim" country

13:06 bnchs; because its BAD

13:08 TR News; Links 16/3/2022: KDEs Okular Greenwashed and Microsoft Putting Ads in Applications | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/greenwashing-freesw/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/greenwashing-freesw/

13:09 TR Bot; Links 16/3/2022: KDEs Okular Greenwashed and Microsoft Putting Ads in Applications | Techrights

13:09 TR News; Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt: Latest Wave Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162610

13:09 TR Bot; Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt: Latest Wave | Tux Machines

13:09 bnchs; windows in 2025: shows ads in startup screen

13:09 TR News; Programming Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162611

13:09 TR Bot; Programming Leftovers | Tux Machines

13:10 bnchs; windows in 2030: unskippable video ad in startup

13:10 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162612

13:10 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

13:10 TR News; Education: Fedora Mentor Summit, EuroBSDCon, and Raspberry Pi Projects Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162613

13:10 TR Bot; Education: Fedora Mentor Summit, EuroBSDCon, and Raspberry Pi Projects | Tux Machines

13:10 matey; windows in 2035: sends them into your consciousness via the vagus nerve through the anal probe

13:10 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162614

13:10 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

13:10 matey; just stick it in your app!

13:11 bnchs; windows user: for the last time, i dont have an anal probe!!!!

13:11 schestowitz-TR; you do

13:11 schestowitz-TR; you don't know yet :-)

13:11 matey; they dont eat at mcdonalds or shop at walmart either

13:11 schestowitz-TR; [13:10] <bnchs> windows in 2030: unskippable video ad in startup

13:11 schestowitz-TR; and mining crypto at shutdown

13:12 schestowitz-TR; please wait 5 minutes while we max upp your CPU, thanks ffor the understanding

13:12 bnchs; more like crypto miner in intel ME

13:12 bnchs; that mines even when your pc is off

13:12 matey; "this is not your default operating system [x] show this message at startup"

13:12 activelow; https://www.dw.com/en/intel-announces-multibillion-investment-plan-for-europe/a-61135478

13:12 TR Bot; announces multibillion investment plan for Europe | News | DW | 15.03.2022

13:13 activelow; 80billion

13:13 *psydroid2 would be surprised if Intel ME and Windows still had any major market share in 2030

13:13 matey; something to look forward to

13:13 activelow; 1135478

13:14 activelow; https://www.dw.com/en/germany-to-buy-us-f-35-stealth-fighters/a-61114350

13:14 TR Bot; to buy US F-35 stealth fighters | News | DW | 14.03.2022

13:14 matey; lets hope they remember to turn stealth off when they tie them down

13:14 activelow; still confused, Eurofighter, equipped with MC68000 series electronics, was put into operation 2006

13:14 matey; otherwise they could be hard to find

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13:15 activelow; wait a moment, ... maybe, manfucaturing and supply chain of this era, maybe it's "defunct" already?

13:16 matey; stealth fighters are a major safety hazard because they have that big pointing thing on the nose

13:16 matey; and you could just walk into it

13:16 matey; maybe it's "defunct" already <- maybe it was a gift, like churchhills cognac

13:17 matey; "to-buy" i mean they lawyers make them say that

13:17 matey; tax purposes, the hague, etc

13:17 activelow; yes, this seems to be it, given the TI calculator series with mc68000 isn't produced anymore either

13:18 activelow; the latest TI calculators are equipped with ARM

13:18 activelow; NASA had a similar problem with their space shuttle and i8086 series parts, which they couldn't source anymore

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13:22 TR News; Range check elimination in loops in OpenJDKs HotSpot JVM | Red Hat Developer https://developers.redhat.com/articles/2022/03/16/range-check-elimination-loops-openjdks-hotspot-jvm

13:22 TR Bot; Range check elimination in loops in OpenJDK's HotSpot JVM | Red Hat Developer

13:23 TR News; Stormworks: Build and Rescue massively improves gamepad support for Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/stormworks-build-and-rescue-massively-improves-gamepad-support-for-steam-deck/

13:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/stormworks-build-and-rescue-massively-improves-gamepad-support-for-steam-deck/

13:23 TR Bot; Build and Rescue massively improves gamepad support for Steam Deck | GamingOnLinux

13:23 TR News; Core Keeper is the latest indie hit with over 250,000 sales in one week | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/core-keeper-is-the-latest-indie-hit-with-over-25k-sales-in-one-week

13:23 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/core-keeper-is-the-latest-indie-hit-with-over-25k-sales-in-one-week

13:23 TR Bot; Keeper is the latest indie hit with over 250,000 sales in one week | GamingOnLinux

13:25 TR News; MacGuffin's Curse gets a HD upgrade along with GNU/Linux support | GamingOnLinux https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/macguffins-curse-gets-a-hd-upgrade-along-with-linux-support

13:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/macguffins-curse-gets-a-hd-upgrade-along-with-linux-support

13:25 TR Bot; Curse gets a HD upgrade along with Linux support | GamingOnLinux

13:38 TR News; XeroLinux: A Beautiful Arch-based Linux With Excellent Customizability by Default http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162236#comment-33076

13:38 TR Bot; Review: XeroLinux in 2022 | Tux Machines

13:38 TR News; Games: Stormworks: Build and Rescue, Core Keeper, MacGuffins Curse, and X4 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162615

13:38 TR Bot; Games: Stormworks: Build and Rescue, Core Keeper, MacGuffin's Curse, and X4 | Tux Machines

13:39 schestowitz; "Former Xamarin co-founder Miguel de Icaza is leaving Microsoft Former Xamarin cofounder Miguel de Icaza is leaving Microsoft, the company he joined through acquisition just over six years ago."

13:39 schestowitz; No actual investigation into it

13:39 schestowitz; that's the depth you expect from podcast

13:39 schestowitz; miguel says

13:39 schestowitz; mary jo foley says

13:39 schestowitz; that's it

13:40 TR News; Being a "BIG" tech company and being a CRIMINAL tech company is not the same thing, but Microsoft is attempting to blur the differences. http://techrights.org/2021/03/17/epoleaks-report-march-2021-part-12/

13:40 TR Bot; EPO and Microsoft Collude to Break the Law Part XII: Foreign Corrupt Practices, Bid Rigging and Slush Funds | Techrights

13:42 TR News; "This post will feature four outstanding contributors from the Australia and New Zealand regions, who have played diverse leadership and community roles in the Upstream Kubernetes project." https://kubernetes.io/blog/2022/03/16/meet-our-contributors-au-nz-ep-02/

13:42 TR Bot; Meet Our Contributors - APAC (Aus-NZ region) | Kubernetes

13:43 TR News; SiFive raises $175 million after selling OpenWave SoC design unit to Alphawave https://linuxgizmos.com/sifive-raises-175-million-after-selling-openwave-soc-design-unit-to-alphawave/

13:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/sifive-raises-175-million-after-selling-openwave-soc-design-unit-to-alphawave/

13:43 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/sifive-raises-175-million-after-selling-openwave-soc-design-unit-to-alphawave/ )

13:47 TR News; "Copyright is artificial scarcity. That sucks. That comes at a huge cost. Articifical scarcity enables poverty." gemini://idiomdrottning.org/bgg-copyright-thread

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13:58 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 27.40 k/sec., IPFS upstream 61.96 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.79

13:59 activelow; "Copyright is artificial scarcity" ... Author's rights aren't artificial.

2 PM, March 16

14:00 activelow; copyrights refer to capitalization of an author's work; which means infringement of copyright infringes author's rights

14:03 kingoffrance; where does monetized debt fit into this?

14:03 kingoffrance; that "right" to "make a living" is long gone

14:03 kingoffrance; centuries too slow

14:03 kingoffrance; like the bazaar and cathedral, that world no longer exists

14:03 kingoffrance; gov does not respect this "right" anywhere at all

14:04 kingoffrance; why is copyright special?

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14:05 kingoffrance; as mincer would say

14:05 kingoffrance; fancy words for regulatory capture

14:06 kingoffrance; better way to say that: define "capitalization"

14:07 kingoffrance; since it got redefined circa 1900 for america at least

14:07 activelow; one distinction is "author's rights" cannot be transferred to anyone else, it is copyrights which can be transferred

14:08 activelow; and it is possible to infringe author's rights even when copyright was transferred and not infringed, such as claiming authorship of anyone else work, which is plagiarism for example

14:10 psymin; https://github.com/samizdapp/RFC1

14:10 TR Bot; - samizdapp/RFC1: a draft architecture

14:12 kingoffrance; sure, but define capitalization

14:12 kingoffrance; tehre is no capital. it got redefined to mean credit

14:12 activelow; kingoffrance: "capitalization", "commerce", to make money; meaning even if copright and license terms are complied with, author's rights may be infringed

14:12 kingoffrance; yes, banks "make credit money" all day long

14:12 kingoffrance; counterfeiters do too no help

14:13 kingoffrance; why is "the right to be paid" a right?

14:13 kingoffrance; is that like universal basic income?

14:13 activelow; it's law, such as minimum wage for example

14:13 kingoffrance; ok thank you :)

14:14 activelow; although, minimum wage is agnostic towards the work of an author, so potentially a mountain of other laws applied besides

14:15 activelow; such as anti-trust, competition laws, if any quality work was compensated (or none at all) far below "market price"

14:18 kingoffrance; the distinction i would make is: who is contracting with an "author" for them to make a "work" ?

14:18 kingoffrance; in the case of employment, it is voluntary (involuntary employment is called slavery...or draft maybe)

14:18 kingoffrance; in the case of an author making a "work" ...who contracted with them that they deserve payment?

14:19 activelow; with employment almost always copyrights are transferred to the company, and compensated with an employees salary

14:19 kingoffrance; sure

14:20 kingoffrance; s/deserve/are owed by law/

14:20 kingoffrance; "deserve's got nothing to do with it" -- clint eastwood movie

14:21 activelow; yet, it's important, even if copyright was transferred, to a company for example, such company may not easily claim authorship, because author's rights cannot be transferred

14:22 kingoffrance; do you have any good recommendations papers/etc. to read about these distinctions?

14:22 activelow; meaning if, for example, if I designed and implemented some algorithm, and if a company claims instead they did it, this is a violation of *my* author's rights

14:22 activelow; kingoffrance: german language

14:22 kingoffrance; yes

14:22 kingoffrance; :)

14:26 MinceR; 16 110018 < DaemonFC> All Debian releases are basically LTS.

14:26 MinceR; more like NTS

14:26 MinceR; also, deadian "stable" is not stable

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14:28 MinceR; 16 145926 < activelow> "Copyright is artificial scarcity" ... Author's rights aren't artificial.

14:28 MinceR; scarcity of copies is

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14:33 activelow; anyway, this is the suspicion i have, and german military reported it regularly: unavailable spare parts and supplies (sub-marines, aircraft etc.)

14:34 activelow; and although Eurofighter as almost brand-new, put into operation year 2006, they cannot source required MC68000 series chips anymore, for example

14:34 activelow; is

14:34 activelow; now they say, F-35 aircraft shall be acquired, together with Intel dumping billions of shitcoins into EU

14:35 activelow; however, Intel has a proven track-record of long-term reliability already, with missing spare parts for the NASA space shuttle

14:36 activelow; officially, they say, it was only the Tornado jet which could carry USA nukes, however i think it isn't a huge challenge to attach any missile to Eurofighter, instead of acquisition of F-35

14:36 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-22-memes-18.jpg

14:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/afternoon-meme-dump-22-memes-18.jpg

14:37 activelow; instead, they are distracting now, from the fact the Eurofighter is dys-functional, after few years of operation

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14:38 activelow; Volkswagen/VW too reported lack of semiconductor supplies; 2+2=4 i would say

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14:53 activelow; some newspaper articles from year 2018 confirm suppliers of Eurofighter are defunct, and only a few of the aircraft were operational

14:54 activelow; which is remarkable, because order of *new* aircraft typically operating a lifetime of 40years or more were placed until year 2009, and few years later the suppliers are defunct already

14:56 activelow; although i cannot confirm with absolute certainty, if it is related to Motorola issues (an aircraft with engineers which crash landed into the ocean, Malaysia Airlines MH-370)

3 PM, March 16

15:13 *kingoffrance sits at desk with coffee. people who make free copies of things are paying exactly what they think it is worth, which is how a market works. change my mind

15:25 kingoffrance; what is really being argued is who has the power to set a price. if we take "minimum wage" the "crime" is people voting "directly" rather than through "representatives"

15:25 kingoffrance; *"minimum wage" versus deciding how much a "work" is worth

15:26 kingoffrance; the "right" in question is the "right" to set a price

15:26 MinceR; https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mS3Y5Z-P0ALYIBmuESP0OEOkIY7cPTdSgOsITokWyL4.jpeg

15:26 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/mS3Y5Z-P0ALYIBmuESP0OEOkIY7cPTdSgOsITokWyL4.jpeg

15:29 kingoffrance; or, it is more of a procedural violation than anything else

15:40 kingoffrance; maybe another way to say that is only formal votes are recognized :)

15:56 TR News; Corporate, Microsoft-Connected Media Would Say Anything to Distract From Windows Holes, Exploits, and a High Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/omg-the-passwords/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/omg-the-passwords/

15:56 TR Bot; Corporate, Microsoft-Connected Media Would Say Anything to Distract From Windows Holes, Exploits, and a High Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) | Techrights

15:59 TR News; "News of this finally broke in 2019 when someone on a music collecting forum claimed to have over 16 hours of unheard Radiohead OK Computer recordings in their possesion. They were hoping to sell these recordings or get offered a trade for other equally rare music, so to prove that they actually had these recordings" gemini://moddedbear.xyz/logs/2021-04-05-minidiscs-hacked.gmi

4 PM, March 16

16:01 TR News; BillBC World Service - The Shutdown, Misinformation https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct3hgq "India has been responsible for more shutdowns each year than any other country. Why?"

16:01 TR Bot; BBC World Service - The Shutdown, Misinformation

16:02 TR News; Gulag Chrome "vulnerabilities that an attacker could exploit to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/16/google-releases-security-updates-chrome

16:02 TR Bot; Google Releases Security Updates for Chrome | CISA

16:03 TR News; Apple #ProprietarySoftware "An attacker could exploit some of these vulnerabilities to take control of an affected system." https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/03/16/apple-releases-security-updates-multiple-products

16:03 TR Bot; Apple Releases Security Updates for Multiple Products | CISA

16:03 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/neighbor-cat-sneaking-into-house/

16:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/neighbor-cat-sneaking-into-house/

16:03 TR Bot; People Are Sharing Funny Stories Of Their Neighbor's Cats Sneaking Into Their Home (15 Pics)

16:06 TR News; The WINDOWS Gamer Gardiner Bryant: hey, let's put Microsoft #ProprietarySoftware on the thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTVBqyvFCV8

16:06 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UTVBqyvFCV8

16:06 TR Bot; yewtu.be | Install Minecraft on your Steam Deck the EASY WAY. - Invidious

16:06 TR News; Flatpak App of the Week: Shotcut Powerful and Versatile Video Editor Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162616

16:06 TR Bot; Flatpak App of the Week: Shotcut Powerful and Versatile Video Editor | Tux Machines

16:08 TR News; The media keeps obsessing over long-patched bugs in Linux and even blames Linux for bad passwords; is the media simply trying to distract from the primary culprit, which has nothing to do with Linux? http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/omg-the-passwords/

16:10 TR News; Go 1.18 Arrives with 20% Improved Performance http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162596#comment-33077

16:10 TR Bot; Go 1.18 is released! - The Go Programming Language | Tux Machines

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16:10 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 23.01 k/sec., IPFS upstream 23.68 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.82

16:14 TR News; Jeff Bezos cheats on you like he cheated on his wife https://www.maketecheasier.com/ftc-investigated-amazon-prime/

16:14 TR Bot; FTC Investigated Amazon for Deception with Prime Accounts - Make Tech Easier

16:14 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162617

16:14 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

16:14 TR News; 10 Ways To Speed Up Firefox Browser in Linux Desktop Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162618

16:14 TR Bot; 10 Ways To Speed Up Firefox Browser in Linux Desktop | Tux Machines

16:17 TR News; Are There Any Linux Phones? Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162619

16:17 TR Bot; Are There Any Linux Phones? | Tux Machines

16:20 TR News; 5 things Linux needs to seriously compete in the desktop market that you probably never considered Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162620

16:20 TR Bot; 5 things Linux needs to seriously compete in the desktop market that you probably never considered | Tux Machines

16:22 TR News; Wind River Studio Linux Services Draws From Nearly Two Decades of Highly Customized Linux Focus and Expertise https://blogs.windriver.com/wind_river_blog/2022/03/wind-river-studio-linux-services-draws-from-15-years-of-highly-customized-linux-focus-and-expertisetled/

16:22 Alternative link; Cloudflare: windriver.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blogs.windriver.com/wind_river_blog/2022/03/wind-river-studio-linux-services-draws-from-15-years-of-highly-customized-linux-focus-and-expertisetled/

16:22 TR Bot; Wind River Studio Linux Services Draws From Nearly Two Decades of Highly Customized Linux Focus and Expertise

16:23 TR News; "So last week we mentioned that Stadia was going to introduce a solution to run Windows games unmodified on Linux, and not using Proton as Google was apparently building their own thing." https://boilingsteam.com/stadias-tech-to-run-windows-games-more-details-unveiled/

16:23 TR Bot; Stadia's Tech to Run Windows Games: More Details Unveiled - Boiling Steam

16:25 TR News; Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.4 RC 2 https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-4-rc-2

16:25 Alternative link; Cloudflare: godotengine.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://godotengine.org/article/release-candidate-godot-3-4-4-rc-2

16:26 TR Bot; Godot Engine - Release candidate: Godot 3.4.4 RC 2

16:27 TR News; Ubuntu Has a Brand New Logo Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162621

16:27 TR Bot; Ubuntu Has a Brand New Logo | Tux Machines

16:28 TR News; Arduino-compatible RPi CM4 carrier sells for $25 https://linuxgizmos.com/arduino-compatible-rpi-cm4-carrier-sells-for-25/

16:28 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxgizmos.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxgizmos.com/arduino-compatible-rpi-cm4-carrier-sells-for-25/

16:28 TR Bot; ( status 520 @ https://linuxgizmos.com/arduino-compatible-rpi-cm4-carrier-sells-for-25/ )

16:29 TR News; "Love your casual games? Lazy Galaxy 2 from Coldwild Games is out now with a GNU/Linux version and it's a wonderful idle / clicker game that also blends in some other strategy elements too." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/lazy-galaxy-2-blends-together-an-idle-clicker-with-some-rts-elements-out-now

16:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/lazy-galaxy-2-blends-together-an-idle-clicker-with-some-rts-elements-out-now

16:29 TR Bot; Galaxy 2 blends together an idle / clicker with some RTS elements out now | GamingOnLinux

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16:30 bnchs__; windows emulator

16:31 psydroid2; windows destroyer

16:31 bnchs__; windows with ads

16:31 bnchs__; it's not like you paid for a license

16:31 bnchs__; to get ads

16:31 bnchs__; need to get a little money on the side

16:31 schestowitz-TR; can winew run them?

16:32 schestowitz-TR; *wine

16:32 bnchs__; you know what i mean

16:32 psydroid2; where can I get such a subscription?

16:32 schestowitz-TR; we need Linux compatibility

16:32 schestowitz-TR; or people won't switch

16:32 schestowitz-TR; "no ads, no switch"

16:32 schestowitz-TR; forum threats will open

16:32 schestowitz-TR; "I get no ads, Linux sucks!!"

16:32 bnchs__; why are there no ads in my file manager

16:32 bnchs__; why are there no ads in my login screen

16:32 bnchs__; why are there no ads in my start menu

16:32 bnchs__; LINUX SUCKS

16:33 psydroid2; Linux has no business model

16:33 psydroid2; we need ads

16:33 bnchs__; ubuntu's display manager will start depending on chromium

16:34 psydroid2; the dot in Linux.com

16:34 bnchs__; for the ADS you know

16:34 psydroid2; brought to you by spamnil ad services

16:34 TR News; Once again this complete nonsense wherein Microsoft-funded sites blame "Linux" for password choices https://www.techradar.com/news/linux-and-raspberry-pi-devices-are-proving-a-major-security-weak-link see http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/omg-the-passwords/

16:34 TR Bot; and Raspberry Pi devices are proving a major security weak link | TechRadar

16:34 TR Bot; Corporate, Microsoft-Connected Media Would Say Anything to Distract From Windows Holes, Exploits, and a High Total Cost of Ownership (TCO) | Techrights

16:35 psydroid2; I'm waiting for the chromium desktop environment

16:35 bnchs__; >blaming the OS for you choosing a shit password

16:35 bnchs__; NO WHY IS LINUX ALLOWING ME TO CHOOSE A SHIT PASSWORD

16:35 bnchs__; linux BAD

16:35 MinceR; 16 173323 < psydroid2> Linux has no business model

16:35 MinceR; it has one now

16:36 bnchs__; is the micro$oft funded sites really that retarded

16:36 MinceR; the Linux-Destroying Foundation's members pay the Linux-Destroying Foundation to make Linux worse so it's easier to compete against

16:36 bnchs__; the headline doesn't mention passswords

16:36 bnchs__; it makes as if linux shouldnt be in raspberry pi because it's bad

16:37 TR News; Anything to distract from absolutely appalling news about Microsoft holes and exploits, in media that's partly controlled by Microsoft while distorting words like "back doors" and their meaning https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/new-b1txor20-linux-botnet-uses-dns.html

16:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: thehackernews.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://thehackernews.com/2022/03/new-b1txor20-linux-botnet-uses-dns.html

16:37 TR Bot; New "B1txor20" Linux Botnet Uses DNS Tunnel and Exploits Log4J Flaw

16:37 psydroid2; Windows on a raspberry pi would be absolute garbage

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16:38 bnchs__; psydroid2, it wouldn't even be possible

16:38 psydroid2; just like it is everywhere else

16:38 bnchs__; windows consumes RAM like a fatass

16:38 bnchs__; i'm pretty sure it would be a matter of seconds before the raspberry pi turns into fire

16:40 psydroid2; https://www.worproject.ml/

16:40 Alternative link; Cloudflare: worproject.ml | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.worproject.ml/

16:40 TR Bot; Home | Windows on Raspberry

16:40 psydroid2; for masochists by masochists

16:40 bnchs__; yes

16:41 TR News; Stable Kernels: 5.16.15, 5.15.29, 5.10.106, 5.4.185, 4.19.235, 4.14.272, and 4.9.307 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162622

16:41 TR Bot; Stable Kernels: 5.16.15, 5.15.29, 5.10.106, 5.4.185, 4.19.235, 4.14.272, and 4.9.307 | Tux Machines

16:41 bnchs__; geez i would like windows to consume 90% of my RAM and heat up my raspberry pi

16:41 TR News; Security Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162623

16:41 TR Bot; Security Leftovers | Tux Machines

16:41 bnchs__; and make my programs run alot more slower

16:42 MinceR; at least it would get along nicely with the MICROS~1 malware running on the GPU

16:42 MinceR; except, of course, for the fact that MICROS~1 products are rarely compatible even with themselves

16:43 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162624

16:43 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

16:43 bnchs__; windows running on phones would cause more global warming

16:43 TR News; Games: Stadia, Godot, and Lazy Galaxy 2 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162625

16:43 TR Bot; Games: Stadia, Godot, and Lazy Galaxy 2 | Tux Machines

16:43 bnchs__; than bill gates' greenwashing shit

16:44 MinceR; only if they managed to get enough people to buy and use them

16:44 MinceR; so far it didn't work too well :>

16:45 TR News; A new look for the Circle of Friends http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162621#comment-33079

16:45 TR Bot; Ubuntu Has a Brand New Logo | Tux Machines

16:45 MinceR; yay, just what it needed

16:45 TR News; Raspberry Pi for home https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/raspberry-pi-for-home/

16:45 TR Bot; Raspberry Pi for home - Raspberry Pi

16:46 MinceR; https://abstrusegoose.com/536

16:46 TR Bot; Abstruse Goose | 100 percent effective

16:46 psydroid2; the QuartzPro64 looks nice and all, but I would probably go for the much cheaper Rock5 instead

16:46 TR News; Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill Protecting the Publics Right to Repair Electronic Devices - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/public-knowledge-welcomes-bill-protecting-the-publics-right-to-repair-electronic-devices/

16:46 TR Bot; Public Knowledge Welcomes Bill Protecting the Publics Right to Repair Electronic Devices - Public Knowledge

16:46 psydroid2; and if you don't run bloated software the Quartz64 should offer decent enough performance

16:46 TR News; IR Sensor With Arduino: wiring and code explained https://peppe8o.com/ir-sensor-with-arduino-wiring-and-code-explained/

16:46 Alternative link; Cloudflare: peppe8o.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://peppe8o.com/ir-sensor-with-arduino-wiring-and-code-explained/

16:46 TR Bot; IR Sensor With Arduino: wiring and code explained

16:47 psydroid2; Windows will never be anything than a pleb on that kind of hardware

16:47 bnchs__; GNU/Linux will run on any kind of hardware

16:47 psydroid2; it barely even runs on the "high-end" hardware from 2016 I have here

16:47 bnchs__; Windows is like that picky eater that only runs with specific amount of TPM and shit

16:47 bnchs__; and a newer CPU

16:48 TR News; Disappointing to see medevel (Turkish blogger, focusing on Free software) selling out and posting webspam (SEO/garbage/spam) and more so lately, e.g. moments ago https://medevel.com/7-ways-to-optimize-market-research/

16:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medevel.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medevel.com/7-ways-to-optimize-market-research/

16:48 TR Bot; 7 Ways to Optimize Market Research

16:53 TR News; Hot Dog Linux, for people who really do love their vintage desktops Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162626

16:53 TR Bot; Hot Dog Linux, for people who really do love their vintage desktops | Tux Machines

16:54 TR News; KODI 19.4 Matrix Download http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162200#comment-33080

16:54 TR Bot; Kodi 19.4 Released with Various Fixes! Install it via Ubuntu PPA | Tux Machines

16:55 TR News; FOSSlife promotes snakeoil and garbage from ZDNt https://www.fosslife.org/top-security-keys-2fa see http://techrights.org/2020/10/15/fido-false-sense-of-security/

16:55 TR Bot; Top Security Keys for 2FA

16:55 TR Bot; A FIDO/FIDO2 False Sense of Security for Premium Prices | Techrights

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16:57 TR News; Gadgets are not security and aren't lifestyle. They're just gadgets. Don't worship things for their brands and their physical existence (tangible) or their price (perceived value). Some of the best things do not cost anything.

16:58 TR News; Fake Shemp History: How Jeff Garlin Became the New Bela Lugosi https://tedium.co/2022/03/16/jeff-garlin-fake-shemp-history/

16:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: tedium.co | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://tedium.co/2022/03/16/jeff-garlin-fake-shemp-history/

16:58 TR Bot; Fake Shemp History: How Jeff Garlin Became the New Bela Lugosi

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16:59 TR News; ICBM this afternoon: "We're updating copr packages to the new versions which will bring new features and bugfixes. This outage affects the copr-frontend and copr-backend"... ICBM Fedora gradually migrated to Amazon as it cannot trust its own "CLOWN" http://techrights.org/2020/08/09/aws-fedoraproject/

16:59 TR Bot; It Looks Like Red Hats (IBM) Fedora Project May be Outsourced to Amazons Datacentres | Techrights

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5 PM, March 16

17:00 TR News; ICBM Red Hat is rapidly rebranding everything as "clown", even old things that predate containers and VMs https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/shift-stack-vhostuser-ports

17:00 TR Bot; Shift-on-Stack with Vhostuser Ports

17:01 TR News; Very few cars run a distro from ICBM, so Red Hat is basically playing catch-up here (other GNU/Linux systems dominate cars) https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/whats-new-automotive-software-2022

17:01 TR Bot; Whats new for automotive software in 2022?

17:04 bnchs; "clown"s should have never existed

17:04 schestowitz-TR; they always did

17:04 schestowitz-TR; but were named differently

17:05 schestowitz-TR; and not many companies got all EXCITED about OUTSOURCING

17:05 schestowitz-TR; it's a marketing trick

17:05 schestowitz-TR; "if you are not outsource, YOU ARE FALLING BEHIND !!!!!!'

17:05 schestowitz-TR; *outsourcing

17:06 schestowitz-TR; "get your CLOWN certification today"

17:06 schestowitz-TR; (become outsourcing professional1)

17:06 schestowitz-TR; also edit your CV/resume

17:06 schestowitz-TR; to say "ops" and "clown" and stuff...

17:07 schestowitz-TR; to make yourself "upskilled"

17:07 bnchs; professional at outsourcing your data

17:07 bnchs; to someone else's computer

17:07 bnchs; if they said that instead of "clown professional", then less people would hire them

17:12 psydroid9; what are IT jobs even these days?

17:12 MinceR; mostly bullshit

17:15 bnchs; it's more like hiring people to make your infrasturcture more insecure

17:15 bnchs; like "clown" pros

17:15 schestowitz-TR; what MinceR said

17:15 bnchs; and windows monkeys

17:15 TR News; xkcd: Consensus Time https://xkcd.com/2594/ #xkcd

17:15 TR Bot; Consensus Time

17:15 Alternative link; Cloudflare: xkcd.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://xkcd.com/2594/

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17:18 schestowitz-TR; bnchs: and outsourcing

17:18 schestowitz-TR; like helping orgs embrace gmail

17:18 schestowitz-TR; forget about PGP or any encrypton

17:18 schestowitz-TR; that's "for geeks"

17:18 schestowitz-TR; security is "Google promises..."

17:19 schestowitz-TR; sometimes they need some "good data loss"

17:19 schestowitz-TR; or "good breach"

17:19 schestowitz-TR; to remind them where they TRULY stand

17:19 schestowitz-TR; and sooner or later that does happen

17:20 schestowitz-TR; (of course they then point a finger in the wrong direction)

17:20 schestowitz-TR; like Microsoft blames "Iran" and "China" and "Russia"... because Windows is not secure

17:20 TR News; 5 Best Linux-Libre Distributions for Better Security Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162627

17:20 TR Bot; 5 Best Linux-Libre Distributions for Better Security | Tux Machines

17:21 TR News; NetBSD: let's take surveillance capitalism cash from Gulag https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/the_netbsd_foundation_is_a

17:21 TR Bot; NetBSD Blog

17:23 TR News; Distro of GNU/Linux which supports Ukraine https://yewtu.be/watch?v=-foL80k-GV4

17:23 TR Bot; How to install Zorin OS 16.1 Core - Invidious

17:23 psydroid2; who is going to mentor them?

17:23 psydroid2; Benny Siegert?

17:23 psydroid2; https://archive.fosdem.org/2020/schedule/speaker/benny_siegert/

17:23 TR Bot; FOSDEM 2020 - Benny Siegert

17:24 SomeH4x0r; > supports Ukraine | no, it is fucking paid GNU/Linux distribution afaik, fuck money

17:24 SomeH4x0r; it needs to be obtained from third-party mirror

17:24 TR News; "Looking for the last, best system monitor you could ever imagine for the GNU/Linux desktop? Jack Wallen is certain he's found that tool in System Monitoring Center." https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-install-best-system-monitors-for-linux-desktop/ Wallen is principled. We like him.

17:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-install-best-system-monitors-for-linux-desktop/

17:24 TR Bot; to install one of the best system monitors for the Linux desktop | TechRepublic

17:26 TR News; Enterprise Linux Security Episode 21 - Nvidias [apparently Windows] Breach - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=1LloL1qaZMs

17:26 TR Bot; Enterprise Linux Security Episode 21 - Dirty Pipe & Nvidia's Breach - Invidious

17:29 TR News; "Everyone knows that an application exit code should change based on the success, error or maybe warnings that happened during execution." https://abbbi.github.io//logging/ Michael Ablassmeier ought to leave Microsoft GitHub. Debian Devs don't belong in such a malicious proprietary platform in the NSA's bag.

17:29 TR Bot; python logging messages and exit codes Michael Ablassmeier ..

17:30 TR News; The new Board of Directors has started its two year term - The Document Foundation Blog https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2022/03/16/new-bod-two-year-term/

17:30 TR Bot; The new Board of Directors has started its two year term - The Document Foundation Blog

17:31 TR News; A look at whats new in GNOME 42 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162628

17:31 TR Bot; A look at what's new in GNOME 42 | Tux Machines

17:33 TR News; SafeZone is not safe https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/03/breaking-rsa-through-insufficiently-random-primes.html

17:33 TR Bot; RSA through Insufficiently Random Primes - Schneier on Security

17:33 MinceR; https://thecodinglove.com/when-our-sprint-is-close-to-end-and-i-am-late-on-my-tasks

17:33 TR Bot; When our sprint is close to end and I am late on my tasks | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes

17:34 TR News; This Extension Adds Network Speed as Desktop Widget in Ubuntu 21.10 Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162629

17:34 TR Bot; This Extension Adds Network Speed as Desktop Widget in Ubuntu 21.10 | Tux Machines

17:36 TR News; Introducing the AdmissionPolicy https://www.kubewarden.io/blog/2022/03/admission-policy/

17:36 TR Bot; Introducing the AdmissionPolicy

17:37 TR News; 56% of Techrights code is Perl gemini://gemini.techrights.org/git/sloc.gmi

17:40 TR News; "When we announced Librem AweSIM our goal was simple: provide a cellular service that protected your privacy. Cellular providers in the US are creating unified customer identifiers so they can identify users across multiple devices and serve them relevant advertising." https://puri.sm/posts/announcing-librem-simple-an-affordable-cellular-plan-that-protects-your-privacy/

17:40 TR Bot; Announcing Librem SIMple: An Affordable Cellular Plan that Protects Your Privacy Purism

17:42 TR News; "In this episode, Whitney is joined by Matthew Ehret to discuss how the Fabian Society and other groups developed a model for penetrating governments throughout the West and beyond long before the World Economic Forums Young Global Leaders program came into existence." https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/podcasts/fabians-and-fascists-with-matthew-ehret/

17:42 Alternative link; Cloudflare: unlimitedhangout.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/03/podcasts/fabians-and-fascists-with-matthew-ehret/

17:42 TR Bot; Fabians and Fascists with Matthew Ehret

17:43 TR News; Wall Street keeps bankrolling dangerous surveillance tech. Congress must act - Access Now https://www.accessnow.org/cellebrite-ipo/

17:43 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/cellebrite-ipo/

17:43 TR Bot; Wall Street keeps bankrolling dangerous surveillance tech. Congress must act - Access Now

17:43 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162630

17:43 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

17:45 TR News; "For DTail 4, logging has been completely rewritten. The new package name is "internal/io/dlog". I rewrote the logging because DTail is a special case here: There are logs processed by DTail, there are logs produced by the DTail server itself, there are logs produced by a DTail client itself" gemini://foo.zone/gemfeed/2022-03-06-the-release-of-dtail-4.0.0.gmi

17:47 TR News; Lagrange Android Alpha 6: "There is a new Android build of Lagrange that is based on the desktop v1.11 release." gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-03_android-alpha6.gmi

17:47 TR News; Open Hardware: Librem, Arduino, and RISC-V Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162631

17:47 TR Bot; Open Hardware: Librem, Arduino, and RISC-V | Tux Machines

17:48 TR News; Lagrange v1.11: Multiple Windows: "While most of v1.10 was focused on the mobile variant, this release is very much centered on the desktop. The split view mode that was added back in v1.4 is now finally expanded to also support creation of additional windows." gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-03_lagrange-1.11.gmi

17:50 TR News; "We had been running some RasPi's in class for some collaborative local-access projects between a group of us, and I decided to purchase one for some experiments at home. These were really my first steps into a different relationship with software towards a creative hands-on approach through free software" gemini://subphase.xyz/users/flow/gemlog/30-raspi.gmi

17:52 TR News; "Gemlog discussions have a certain stress-free nature. You can just make a post and not worry about any replies, or deal with them at your leisure after a week or a month. It's a slow, disengaged form of communication, amendable to an intermittently-offline way of life." gemini://skyjake.fi/gemlog/2022-02_re-gemlog-responses.gmi

17:53 TR News; Weaponisation of computer science sucks. "What sort of future are we working towards? I don't like where this is going. I guess we all believe in total war, now." gemini://alexschroeder.ch/page/2022-02-27_Programmer_at_arms

17:55 TR News; "When I think about digital or computational cultures in some near-distant futures, I can't figure out what that could or *should* look like. Does the extension of digitality drive a more commonly widespread software/coding literacy in our society? If so, what does that achieve?" gemini://subphase.xyz/users/flow/gemlog/28-computerfuture.gmi

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17:56 TR News; "My first goes at making a UI were in database packages like dBase. You could make menus, dialogs and other clickable things on an 80 by 25 text-only DOS screen. It seemed like a magical way to make software features discoverable and fun. Ooh, look, my popup has a drop shadow!" gemini://freeshell.de/gemlog/2021-11-20.gmi

17:57 TR News; "A small number of people owning cars isn't that big of a deal but when most of the industrialized world has built itself around car ownership, suddenly it's this huge system that is self-perpetuating. Cities sprawl around roads." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-02-21-scaling.gmi

17:58 TR News; "So I have a lot of sympathy for the concept of decentralized finance. The simplest way to summarize my politics is "anarchist" and people coming together to find ways to organize and exchange resources outside of a government issued currency, as supported by the private financial sector's special status for capitalist states, has a lot of appeal to me." gemini://inconsistentuniverse.space/gemlog/2022-02-25-defi.gmi

17:58 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 36.65 k/sec., IPFS upstream 36.80 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.84

6 PM, March 16

18:02 TR News; 'Im jumping directly to Offpunk 0.9 as a release candidate of Offpunk 1.0, which should be released next week. While there are many improvements that could be made, I believe Offpunk has reached some maturity with mainly bug fixes and small improvements since the 0.4 release." gemini://rawtext.club/~ploum/2022-03-05-offpunk09.gmi

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18:12 TR News; Links 16/3/2022: Ubuntus New Logo and Godot 3.4.4 RC 2 | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/godot-3-4-4-rc-2/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/godot-3-4-4-rc-2/

18:13 TR Bot; Links 16/3/2022: Ubuntus New Logo and Godot 3.4.4 RC 2 | Techrights

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18:14 TR News; Red Hat Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162632

18:14 TR Bot; Red Hat Leftovers | Tux Machines

18:14 TR News; Todays Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162633

18:14 TR Bot; today's leftovers | Tux Machines

18:23 TR News; Remember: CLOWNFLARE is NOT free. They will charge more and more. Or alter limits. GULGATUBE is NOT free. Same for VIMEO. All of them can change costs (AWS/Clown is all about fee hikes with VENDOR LOCK-IN), threshold, visibility/tiering at ANY TIME. And you do NOT get to decline those changes. The only solution is to AVOID them RIGHT FROM THE START.

18:27 TR News; "A few days ago (2022-03-14) was pi-day to celebrate the number pi (3.14). Some celebrate pi-day by making videos or similar content about this number. As I already found a few mathematicians on gemini, I was sure I would at least see one article about pi popping up on that day." gemini://blog.schmidhuberj.de/2022/03/16/no-pi-day/

18:29 TR News; Midnight Pub in Geminispace reminds me a lot of OpenDiary in the 1990s in the sense that people write about their personal life in a sincere fashion.

18:48 MinceR; https://thecodinglove.com/when-my-code-is-broken-but-sill-manages-to-do-the-work

18:48 TR Bot; When my code is broken but sill manages to do the work | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes

18:49 TR News; Worst COVID-19 Week in More Than 2 Months in the United Kingdom! http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2022/03/16/worst-covid-19-week-in-more-than-2-months-in-the-united-kingdom/

18:49 TR Bot; Blog Archive Worst COVID-19 Week in More Than 2 Months in the United Kingdom!

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18:51 TR News; Ubuntu Linux gets a new logo http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162621#comment-33082

18:51 TR Bot; Ubuntu Has a Brand New Logo | Tux Machines

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18:59 bnchs; clownflare is free

18:59 bnchs; because you pay with your user's data

7 PM, March 16

19:01 schestowitz; https://framatube.org/w/eHqvH5WPknnfXyQzKKN3cY

19:01 TR Bot; Welcome address by the FSF - Sunday - Framatube

19:01 schestowitz; https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/an-overview-of-threat-assessments-and-practical-steps-to-improve-privacy/

19:01 TR Bot; An Overview of Threat Assessments and Practical Steps to Improve Privacy GNU MediaGoblin

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19:14 bnchs; wow

19:14 bnchs; libreplanet began?

19:14 TR News; Video: Alice Monsen on How She Uses Free/Libre Software | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/alice-monsen-freesw-talk/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/alice-monsen-freesw-talk/

19:14 TR Bot; Video: Alice Monsen on How She Uses Free/Libre Software | Techrights

19:14 schestowitz-TR; no, these are from last year

19:15 TR News; Google #Android Leftovers Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162634

19:15 TR Bot; Android Leftovers | Tux Machines

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19:21 TR News; Can a triangle of tank tracks outperform omni wheels? | Arduino Blog https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/16/can-a-triangle-of-tank-tracks-outperform-omni-wheels/

19:21 Alternative link; Cloudflare: arduino.cc | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.arduino.cc/2022/03/16/can-a-triangle-of-tank-tracks-outperform-omni-wheels/

19:21 TR Bot; Can a triangle of tank tracks outperform omni wheels? | Arduino Blog

19:24 TR News; NordLocker is proprietary software and thus you should not trust what it does https://www.techrepublic.com/article/nordlocker-vs-veracrypt/

19:24 Alternative link; Cloudflare: techrepublic.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.techrepublic.com/article/nordlocker-vs-veracrypt/

19:24 TR Bot; NordLocker vs VeraCrypt | Encryption Software Comparison

19:29 TR News; "I got the vaccine and kinda feel safe and sick at the same time." gemini://midnight.pub/posts/843

19:30 TR News; Heres how you can get all your day-to-day computing done with free software. Alice Monsen, 11, has given multiple talks at technical conferences and will go over more than 10 programs that will replace proprietary with free software. http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/alice-monsen-freesw-talk/

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19:36 TR News; How Cobalt Strike Became a Favorite Tool of Hackers | eSecurityPlanet https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/how-cobalt-strike-became-a-favorite-tool-of-hackers/

19:36 Alternative link; Cloudflare: esecurityplanet.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.esecurityplanet.com/threats/how-cobalt-strike-became-a-favorite-tool-of-hackers/

19:36 TR Bot; Cobalt Strike Became a Favorite Tool of Hackers | eSecurityPlanet

19:36 TR News; Candidates for the 2022 Debian project leader election Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162635

19:36 TR Bot; Candidates for the 2022 Debian project leader election | Tux Machines

19:37 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/creative-design/

19:37 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/2022/03/15/creative-design/

19:37 TR Bot; People Are Sharing Creative Designs They Encountered In Everyday Life (50 Pics)

19:42 TR News; There are AT LEAST 500 IRC networks that are SIGNIFICANT. IRC is not dead. https://netsplit.de/networks/

19:42 TR Bot; NO TITLE

19:42 SomeH4x0r; define "significant"

19:42 schestowitz-TR; >50 users online

19:42 SomeH4x0r; do services count?

19:43 schestowitz-TR; services add up

19:43 schestowitz-TR; but not to the point of being a majority of 50

19:43 SomeH4x0r; also, there are some bridgebots which make a different connection for each user on the other side

19:43 schestowitz-TR; we used to have a matric bridge

19:43 schestowitz-TR; in freenode

19:43 schestowitz-TR; those people rarely said anything

19:43 schestowitz-TR; just lurking with a bouncer

19:44 bnchs; yes

19:44 bnchs; but don't use a discord bridge

19:44 schestowitz-TR; at this moment #techrights at freenode has 17 users online

19:44 schestowitz-TR; nobody ever says anything

19:44 MinceR; mastix bridge

19:45 schestowitz-TR; same in libre chat, which isn't even official at all

19:45 schestowitz-TR; people can set up irc netowkr

19:45 schestowitz-TR; fill them up with users and channels, but if nobody says anything, there's zero value to these

19:45 schestowitz-TR; they just eat up energy/bandwidth

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19:48 XFaCE; https://hotdoglinux.com/

19:48 TR Bot; HOT DOG Linux

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19:56 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, Pepsi is apparently suing six farmers in India for $150,000 each for growing the type of potato used in Lay's potato chips.

19:57 DaemonFC; These sorts of GMO lawsuits are quite common in the United States. Monsanto was even caught deliberately contaminating fields with their seeds and then suing farmers for damages.

19:58 psydroid2; I hope Pepsi's CEO sets foot in India

19:58 psydroid2; and that someone shoots him

19:58 psydroid2; problem solved

19:59 DaemonFC; Bill Gates is behind a lot of these GMO crops.

19:59 DaemonFC; Hmm, so do we solve the droughts or plant corn that's 8% more resistant to droughts, where you have to buy patents every year?

19:59 schestowitz; Windows mindset: "To complete setup, restart Linux. You can do this by right-clicking terminal, and then clicking "Shut down Linux". Now all you have to do is install some apps!"

19:59 DaemonFC; Even if you lose the crop.

19:59 schestowitz; https://flatpak.org/setup/Chrome%20OS

19:59 Alternative link; Cloudflare: flatpak.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://flatpak.org/setup/Chrome%20OS

19:59 TR Bot; Flatpakthe future of application distribution

8 PM, March 16

20:00 SomeH4x0r; Future?

20:00 SomeH4x0r; fuck such future

20:00 SomeH4x0r; hope a bomb drops

20:01 DaemonFC; I know the farmers around here license software from IBM that's designed to predict weather patterns.

20:01 DaemonFC; It claims it reduces crop losses by advising them about what to plant and when.

20:02 DaemonFC; They bought the weather channel.

20:02 DaemonFC; Now it can't even predict the weather an hour from now.

20:03 schestowitz-TR; :D

20:03 schestowitz-TR; here's a suggestion

20:03 schestowitz-TR; drop ICBM

20:03 schestowitz-TR; and predict long winter

20:03 DaemonFC; There's little, if any, science behind weather prediction other than law of averages.

20:03 schestowitz-TR; ...

20:03 schestowitz-TR; 4) profit!

20:03 DaemonFC; But those averages are moving.

20:04 DaemonFC; So you have to anticipate things like carbon emissions and what that adds to the mix each year.

20:04 schestowitz-TR; I am installing two new gemini clients

20:04 schestowitz-TR; will review them in video

20:04 DaemonFC; And it's not like you can move crops out of the way of tornadoes.

20:05 DaemonFC; Hurricanes have major impacts on US rice production. We don't produce a lot of rice, but what we do produce mostly comes from Louisiana.

20:05 DaemonFC; And they are getting hit with hurricanes the likes of which wouldn't have been possible in 1980.

20:05 ebin; speaking of weather and gemini. i have recently started a new capsule gemini://weather.ix.tc/

20:06 ebin; it's a simple capsule with worldwide 5 forecasts

20:06 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, They don't want you to see how they grow crops.

20:07 DaemonFC; In Huntington County, Indiana, the corn fields are literally a small dirt road about 12 feet wide between the edge of the corn and the county dump.

20:07 DaemonFC; For a small fee, they let you go in and dump just about anything you want there.

20:08 DaemonFC; So you can imagine what gets into the soil, and then moves over and contaminates the corn.

20:09 DaemonFC; Someone complained that most of Illinois outside of Chicago is power plants and crops. And I said, "You say that like it's a bad thing. Where the hell is the power and food supposed to come from?".

20:09 DaemonFC; It's usually not economical to put utility scale power generation or crops in a heavily populated area.

20:10 DaemonFC; There's been some exhibits at the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago about possible urban farming in skyscrapers.

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20:10 DaemonFC; At first I thought "That's crazy, why would they build a skyscraper to be a giant greenhouse when we have a bunch of farmland?".

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20:10 DaemonFC; Then I realized that after COVID, we've got 6 Sears Towers worth of empty offices.

20:11 DaemonFC; If someone were to be smart enough to "defrag" the offices that are not going to close and convert the empty buildings to urban greenhouses, imagine all of the food they could produce.

20:12 DaemonFC; Instead we have like, entire skyscrapers now where half the offices are empty and the rest are some shitty law firms or something that exist for "everybody v. everybody" lawsuits that produce nothing.

20:13 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I learned pretty fast that there's barely a difference in the quality of legal representation between a lawyer that wants $1,500 and one that wants $4,500, except the $4,500 one probably has an office in Chicago with a nice coffee machine.

20:14 DaemonFC; It's all about impressing clients. It's client management.

20:14 schestowitz-TR; bbiab

20:14 schestowitz-TR; recording

20:15 DaemonFC; Urban farming isn't ridiculous. If the real estate industry were smarter, they'd stop trying to block it.

20:15 DaemonFC; Because otherwise, they have all of these half-empty skyscrapers that are not generating enough money for the square footage.

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20:20 chicksahoy; lawsuits are fun

20:20 DaemonFC; https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/willie-wilson-to-giveaway-200k-worth-of-gas-on-thursday/

20:21 TR Bot; Willie Wilson to give away $200K worth of gas on Thursday | WGN-TV

20:21 chicksahoy; im in the legal profession

20:21 chicksahoy; i sue businesses that discriminate against trans people

20:21 DaemonFC; I wrote: "And after the first tank, how is anyone else supposed to get some gas?

20:21 DaemonFC; If the Democrats control Washington much longer (much less Springfield), we'll need to redenominate the currency. 100 old dollars per new dollar."

20:25 bnchs; hello?

20:25 DaemonFC; Good thing the Supreme Court doesn't seem to be buying it.

20:25 bnchs; chicksahoy, yes free money

20:25 DaemonFC; Maybe you'll have to get honest work after they cut that to ribbons.

20:25 bnchs; thats why you're a lawyer right

20:26 chicksahoy; not quite a lawyer

20:26 DaemonFC; You know, there's a million cake shops.

20:26 chicksahoy; paralegals in ontario can represent clients as if they were a lawyer

20:26 DaemonFC; The men in skirts go into the one they know a Christian will refuse to make a cake for them, and then they sue.

20:26 DaemonFC; And the whole thing is a get rich quick scam.

20:27 chicksahoy; DaemonFC: not true

20:27 chicksahoy; you're being transphobic

20:27 bnchs; also there's some problem

20:27 DaemonFC; In Illinois, two gay men went to a bed and breakfast and demanded to have their wedding reception there.

20:27 bnchs; have you ever met a transgender person

20:27 bnchs; that sued a place simply because they mispronounced

20:27 chicksahoy; bnchs: i am transgender

20:27 bnchs; "pronoun"

20:28 bnchs; mis pronoun

20:28 DaemonFC; When they were told no, they filed a discrimination complaint and walked away with almost $90,000 the state took from the business owner.

20:28 bnchs; chicksahoy, ok

20:28 DaemonFC; There was obviously nowhere else in the state to have a wedding reception...

20:28 DaemonFC; It's sleazy is what it is.

20:28 chicksahoy; bnchs: i dont sue over misgendering, i usually just correct them

20:28 chicksahoy; if they refuse after being corrected, thats grounds for a lawsuit

20:28 bnchs; yeah well

20:28 DaemonFC; "I reserve the right to refuse your business for any reason." should be the law of the land.

20:28 DaemonFC; And I say that as a gay man.

20:28 DaemonFC; And if I get turned away, so what?

20:29 chicksahoy; the ontario human rights laws are pretty clear

20:29 bnchs; it's pretty common to "misgender"

20:29 DaemonFC; You think I want to go to a doctor who hates gay people and only serves me because they're afraid of a lawsuit?

20:29 bnchs; because just from appearance

20:29 bnchs; i can either tell you that you're a guy

20:29 bnchs; or a girl

20:29 DaemonFC; What might they do to harm me?

20:29 DaemonFC; Will they "not notice" a tumor?

20:29 DaemonFC; Even if they're not malicious, they're probably at least an idiot who doesn't believe in evolution.

20:29 bnchs; and i can definitely not tell other "non-binary" genders

20:30 chicksahoy; i usually have a quick chat with management and the problem goes away

20:30 DaemonFC; Passing anti-discrimination laws doesn't get rid of discrimination and it doesn't get rid of bigots.

20:30 DaemonFC; They can say they declined your business for 100 other reasons, all of which are legal.

20:30 bnchs; chicksahoy, well thats great

20:31 DaemonFC; An apartment declined to rent to us and we're an interracial gay married couple and he's an immigrant.

20:31 bnchs; usually people would throw a fit after being misgendered

20:31 DaemonFC; They kept coming up with reasons.

20:31 bnchs; or deadnamed

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20:31 DaemonFC; Making "mistakes" that led to our credit report being declined over and over again.

20:31 chicksahoy; i used to throw fits but im 5 years into my transition now, im a lot more chill about it

20:32 DaemonFC; Then called the police and lied and said I threatened them when I got annoyed and said they were doing this on purpose.

20:32 DaemonFC; I complained to the Attorney General's office, and nothing happened.

20:32 chicksahoy; im not gonna sue roy because daemonfc is transphobic

20:32 bnchs; daemonfc is racist aswell

20:32 DaemonFC; Could I sue? Maybe. Would I win? I'd have to prove they hated us for being gay, married, interracial, or him being an immigrant.

20:32 chicksahoy; lol

20:32 bnchs; just the usual

20:32 bnchs; and i don't care

20:32 chicksahoy; DaemonFC: proof is key

20:33 DaemonFC; I'm very racist. I married an immigrant that's not white.

20:33 bnchs; more like everyday you bitch about black people

20:33 DaemonFC; In fact, out of the past 5 relationships (defined by at least dating someone for a while) I've been in 1 was white.

20:34 chicksahoy; a black person could sue roy because daemonfc talks smack about them

20:34 chicksahoy; roy even keeps chat logs

20:34 bnchs; lol

20:34 DaemonFC; Out of my sex partners? I'd estimate that about maybe 30% of them were non-Hispanic white even though I spent most of my life living in a state where 92% of the population was non-Hispanic White.

20:34 DaemonFC; Those are some real good statistics for accusing me of racism.

20:34 bnchs; chicksahoy, theres something called section 230

20:34 chicksahoy; section 230?

20:35 bnchs; "No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider."

20:35 chicksahoy; oh that doesnt apply in ontario

20:35 DaemonFC; Nobody can sue me for saying I lock my car doors when I see black teenagers coming.

20:35 DaemonFC; It's not illegal.

20:35 DaemonFC; It's not even grounds for a lawsuit.

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20:36 chicksahoy; ill correct myself, a black person in ontario could sue

20:36 DaemonFC; Well, it is, but you'd lose immediately.

20:36 bnchs; chicksahoy, depends on which state this server is hosted in

20:36 bnchs; and whether section 230 applies

20:36 chicksahoy; that doesnt matter

20:36 bnchs; or am i wrong?

20:36 chicksahoy; if i sue in my jurisdiction (ontario) then my laws apply

20:37 chicksahoy; does Roy run this irc server?

20:37 bnchs; no it's hosted in UK i think

20:37 bnchs; yes he does

20:37 bnchs; but i think he's not the one who hosts it

20:37 chicksahoy; the irc server is available to people in ontario

20:37 bnchs; and?

20:37 chicksahoy; doesnt matter where its hosted, the tribunal doesnt care

20:38 bnchs; no thats dumb

20:38 chicksahoy; a service thats available to people in ontario has to follow these laws

20:38 bnchs; you can't drag your country's laws into a server hosted in another country

20:38 bnchs; chicksahoy, or else?

20:38 chicksahoy; buddy, i sued plenty of fish and they're american

20:38 bnchs; roy is british

20:39 bnchs; he lives in UK

20:39 chicksahoy; the lawsuit would be in ontario

20:39 chicksahoy; i dont have to file it where they live

20:39 bnchs; i dont know but that seems dumb

20:39 bnchs; as long as the server follows the country of origin's laws

20:39 DaemonFC; <chicksahoy> if i sue in my jurisdiction (ontario) then my laws apply

20:39 bnchs; there's nothing illegal

20:39 DaemonFC; You're wronge.

20:40 DaemonFC; *wrong

20:40 chicksahoy; im not wrong

20:40 DaemonFC; You'd have to sue me where I live.

20:40 bnchs; ^

20:40 bnchs; you can't drag another state's laws into another

20:40 DaemonFC; Canadian judgments don't mean anything to me.

20:40 chicksahoy; thats for a lawsuit, but the HRTO is a tribunal

20:40 DaemonFC; Sue all you want.

20:40 bnchs; and i'm pretty sure you would be extremely lucky

20:40 DaemonFC; You can't serve a judgment from a foreign court onto me and garnish anything.

20:41 bnchs; if your case doesn't get thrown out

20:41 bnchs; heres an example

20:41 chicksahoy; i've litigated against american companies and all that matters is whether or not their service is available to people in ontario

20:42 bnchs; if you sue from zimbabwen

20:42 bnchs; to america

20:42 bnchs; does zimbabwen laws apply?

20:42 bnchs; does their shitty laws apply to the case

20:42 bnchs; and will the company go bankrupt in fact

20:42 DaemonFC; I don't have any assets in Ontario.

20:42 chicksahoy; it depends on whether or not zimbabwe has laws that don't care about jurisdiction

20:43 chicksahoy; ill agree on one thing, collecting a judgement against an american would be hard

20:43 DaemonFC; No Illinois court is going to enforce a judgment from an Ontario court on an Illinois resident.

20:43 bnchs; then how about this

20:43 bnchs; roy k-lines everyone from ontario

20:44 bnchs; no lawsuit

20:44 chicksahoy; fair enough, he could do that

20:44 chicksahoy; might be a good idea

20:44 DaemonFC; Even if you're in the US and suing someone else in the US, you have to sue them in their jurisdiction, usually, unless it's a federal lawsuit.

20:44 bnchs; but he's not gonna do that

20:44 bnchs; because he's in the UK

20:44 chicksahoy; i could get a court order to block a service in ontario tho

20:44 bnchs; and his site and this irc server is british

20:45 bnchs; not american

20:45 DaemonFC; Even then, you can file to have the case removed from a federal court in their jurisdiction to yours to make the lawsuit harder for them to tend to.

20:45 bnchs; chicksahoy, nice internet freedom you guys got

20:45 chicksahoy; freedom to discriminate isn't legal

20:45 bnchs; is 4chan blocked in ontario

20:45 chicksahoy; no

20:46 bnchs; why isn't it

20:46 chicksahoy; nobody sued 4chan

20:46 bnchs; there's users discriminating against races in 4chan

20:46 chicksahoy; i could sue facebook for not doing anything about transphobic comments but it would take years and i dont care enough

20:47 bnchs; because all you gonna get

20:47 bnchs; is websites banning ontario

20:47 bnchs; and you're gonna be known as the party shitter

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20:47 chicksahoy; only because enforcing a judgement would be hard

20:47 bnchs; the guy who ruins fun

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20:47 chicksahoy; the girl who ruins illegal fun

20:48 ebin; were gonna play the sue me, sue you blues

20:48 bnchs; no because you sue an entire site just for one user

20:48 bnchs; who isn't doing any harm

20:48 chicksahoy; https://www.ontario.ca/laws/statute/90h19

20:48 TR Bot; Document English View | Ontario.ca

20:48 chicksahoy; 1 Every person has a right to equal treatment with respect to services, goods and facilities, without discrimination because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression, age, marital status, family status or disability. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.19, s. 1; 1999, c. 6, s. 28 (1); 2001, c. 32, s. 27 (1); 2005, c.

20:48 chicksahoy; 5, s. 32 (1); 2012, c. 7, s. 1.

20:49 bnchs; yes

20:49 bnchs; but this is a irc server

20:49 bnchs; messages here don't harm you

20:49 bnchs; they're just a bunch of bytes

20:49 chicksahoy; thats why i dont sue roy, i dont care

20:49 chicksahoy; technically someone could, thats all im saying

20:49 bnchs; "equal treatment with respect to services, goods and facilities"

20:50 bnchs; does me saying i hate black people

20:50 chicksahoy; im not black

20:50 bnchs; prohibit you from "goods and facilities"

20:50 bnchs; prohibit black people from "goods and facilites"

20:50 chicksahoy; services

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20:50 bnchs; yes

20:50 bnchs; what services

20:51 chicksahoy; providing an irc server is a service

20:51 bnchs; yes

20:51 chicksahoy; 9 No person shall infringe or do, directly or indirectly, anything that infringes a right under this Part. R.S.O. 1990, c. H.19, s. 9.

20:51 bnchs; but i don't k-line you because you're transgender

20:51 bnchs; theres a difference

20:51 bnchs; from being mocked

20:51 bnchs; and being klined

20:52 chicksahoy; being mocked is considered harassment under the code

20:52 bnchs; yes but does it prohibit you from services?

20:53 chicksahoy; its harassment while using the service

20:53 chicksahoy; the service provider has a duty to prevent all that

20:54 bnchs; does it prohibit you from services?

20:54 chicksahoy; no

20:54 bnchs; then how does it count

20:54 chicksahoy; because there was harassment while using the service

20:55 chicksahoy; a service provider has a duty to make sure its users dont do that

20:55 bnchs; you can say that about every website

20:55 chicksahoy; exactly, i can

20:55 bnchs; then how does the law count

20:55 chicksahoy; thats why i was able to sue plenty of fish for the content of its users

20:55 bnchs; have you only sued american companies

20:55 chicksahoy; i've sued one american company

20:56 bnchs; well this is a british server

20:56 chicksahoy; also, its not for a lot of money

20:56 bnchs; again

20:56 chicksahoy; most of the time you only get a judgement for $5000

20:56 bnchs; i'm pretty sure ontario laws dont apply

20:56 bnchs; in british

20:56 chicksahoy; these laws do

20:56 bnchs; can you cite a reference about that?

20:57 chicksahoy; are you legally trained?

20:57 bnchs; no

20:57 bnchs; but i'm pretty sure american laws

20:57 bnchs; don't apply in british laws

20:58 bnchs; websites outsource their servers to a country with permissive laws

20:58 bnchs; because of that

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20:58 MinceR; https://thecodinglove.com/when-one-of-our-continuous-delivery-scripts-doesnt-work-anymore

20:58 TR Bot; When one of our continuous delivery scripts doesnt work anymore | The Coding Love - Programmer humor: gifs, memes, jokes

20:58 chicksahoy; if what you were saying is true, companies in canada would just put their servers outside canada and be immune to our laws

20:59 chicksahoy; https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/code_grounds/gender_identity

20:59 TR Bot; Gender identity and gender expression | Ontario Human Rights Commission

20:59 bnchs; techrights is not american?

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20:59 chicksahoy; it doesn't fucking matter where the service is if its available to people in ontario

9 PM, March 16

21:00 bnchs; yes well

21:00 bnchs; that seems stupid again

21:00 chicksahoy; maybe to you

21:00 bnchs; i don't know what kind of state you guys have

21:00 bnchs; chicksahoy, ok maybe sue kiwi farms

21:01 bnchs; they discriminate against transgender and black people everyday

21:01 bnchs; and they're an american LLC

21:01 chicksahoy; im not touching kiwi farms

21:02 bnchs; kiwi farms got sued many times

21:02 bnchs; and most of the cases were dismissed because section 230

21:02 chicksahoy; technically i could go after them but then they would have my name and their members would likely stalk me

21:03 chicksahoy; i think it would be better to approach them and ask them to make their site unavailable in ontario, canada

21:04 bnchs; yeah

21:04 bnchs; and he will likely post your email

21:04 chicksahoy; i dont want to get stalked for $5000

21:04 bnchs; publicly

21:05 chicksahoy; i could use an anonymous email provider like protonmail

21:05 bnchs; well ok

21:05 chicksahoy; if i actually sued them they'd likely post my name and address

21:05 chicksahoy; its not worth it

21:05 chicksahoy; i see what they do to transgender people

21:06 chicksahoy; i'd probably even get my own forum there

21:06 bnchs; anyway i still like to see daemonfc bitch about black people

21:06 bnchs; chicksahoy, they'll find out every bit about you

21:06 chicksahoy; that just makes the channel look bad

21:06 chicksahoy; i saw roy discipline daemonfc earlier today

21:07 bnchs; yeah

21:08 chicksahoy; ill give you another example

21:08 chicksahoy; Facebook

21:08 chicksahoy; https://www.priv.gc.ca/en/opc-actions-and-decisions/investigations/investigations-into-businesses/2019/pipeda-2019-002/

21:08 TR Bot; PIPEDA Findings #2019-002: Joint investigation of Facebook, Inc. by the Privacy Commissioner of Canada and the Information and Privacy Commissioner for British Columbia - Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada

21:08 bnchs; thats the privacy commissioner

21:08 chicksahoy; PIPEDA is a canadian law tho

21:09 bnchs; chicksahoy, well what i like about people being racist and shit, is that they're execrising their freedom of speech

21:09 chicksahoy; freedom of speech isn't absolute

21:09 bnchs; i don't like their opinion

21:09 chicksahoy; theres always some law that gets in the way of your "fun"

21:10 bnchs; yeah well

21:10 bnchs; the thing is nobody should care about "hate speech"

21:11 bnchs; as long as they don't discriminate people against services and goods

21:11 bnchs; and shit

21:11 bnchs; rather than just a bunch of bytes rendered on a screen

21:12 bnchs; anyway gn

21:14 chicksahoy; gn

21:16 chicksahoy; https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/gender-identity-and-gender-expression-brochure

21:16 TR Bot; Gender identity and gender expression (brochure) | Ontario Human Rights Commission

21:17 chicksahoy; Harassment is a form of discrimination. It can include sexually explicit or other inappropriate comments, questions, jokes, name-calling, images, email and social media, transphobic, homophobic or other bullying, sexual advances, touching and other unwelcome and ongoing behaviour that insults, demeans, harms or threatens a person in some way. Assault or other violent behaviour is also a criminal

21:17 chicksahoy; matter. Trans people and other persons can experience harassing behaviour because of their gender identity or expression (gender-based harassment) and/or their sex (sexual harassment).

21:18 bnchs; wait "jokes"?

21:18 bnchs; you mean i can't make jokes about trans?

21:18 chicksahoy; correct

21:18 bnchs; there goes dark humor

21:18 MinceR; all jokes are offensive

21:18 MinceR; SJWs are enemies of all humor

21:19 chicksahoy; if i had my own law firm it would be called "Social Justice Warriors"

21:19 bnchs; i like dark humor though

21:19 bnchs; and "offensive" jokes

21:19 bnchs; because they're really funny

21:19 MinceR; maybe someone will try to cancel you for it one day

21:21 TR News; [Meme] IBM: FSF Bad, Microsoft Good | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/meme-ibm-fsf-bad-microsoft-good/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/meme-ibm-fsf-bad-microsoft-good/

21:21 TR Bot; [Meme] IBM: FSF Bad, Microsoft Good | Techrights

21:21 chicksahoy; Microsoft is trash

21:26 TR News; Today in #Techrights Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162636

21:26 TR Bot; Today in Techrights | Tux Machines

21:29 TR News; Linux Foundation is a political party https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/statement-against-texas-discrimination/

21:29 Alternative link; Cloudflare: linuxfoundation.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://linuxfoundation.org/blog/statement-against-texas-discrimination/

21:29 TR Bot; STATEMENT AGAINST TEXAS DISCRIMINATION - Linux Foundation

21:29 TR News; #gitlab = nationalism. First racism against Persian, now Russian. Are they hoping for financial turnaround (they operate at a loss) by the "too big to fail" route? https://twit.tv/shows/floss-weekly/episodes/672

21:29 TR Bot; Wartime Roundtable

21:29 TR News; Linux Foundation... SOOOO... woke http://techrights.org/2020/06/14/linux-foundation-with-zero-african-american-employees-in-a-country-where-13-4-identify-as-african-american-boasts-about-its-support-for-the-black-community/

21:29 TR Bot; Linux Foundation, With Zero African-American Employees (in a Country Where 13.4% Identify as African-American), Boasts About Its Support for the Black Community | Techrights

21:30 DaemonFC; https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/15/lake-county-sheriffs-canine-tracks-down-bites-suspect-who-tried-stealing-catalytic-converters-in-beach-park/

21:30 Alternative link; Cloudflare: lakemchenryscanner.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2022/03/15/lake-county-sheriffs-canine-tracks-down-bites-suspect-who-tried-stealing-catalytic-converters-in-beach-park/

21:30 TR Bot; Lake County sheriff's canine tracks down, bites suspect who tried stealing catalytic converters in Beach Park

21:30 DaemonFC; Good dog!

21:30 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/17091515

21:30 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ffrqock6n2jz.jpg created on 2017-09-15 07:05:09.280573

21:31 TR News; It is worth noting that signing on behalf of the Linux Foundation right now is a full time (100%) Microsoft employee. Linux? No. Windows Foundation.

21:32 bnchs; linux foundation

21:32 schestowitz-TR; 'linux'

21:32 schestowitz-TR; run by Microsoft

21:32 schestowitz-TR; nontechnical person

21:33 mjg59_; (not run by Microsoft)

21:33 schestowitz-TR; working for Microsoft

21:33 schestowitz-TR; LF= infiltrated

21:33 bnchs; absolutely no contributions

21:33 bnchs; other than having their name in a USB root hub module

21:33 bnchs; which was because some "company" took the dummy ID (0000:0000)

21:33 schestowitz-TR; the mission is almost fully accomplished by now

21:33 schestowitz-TR; Linux... by name only

21:33 bnchs; just remember that one opensuse developer

21:33 mjg59_; No contributions other than funding a lot of development work

21:33 bnchs; who thought giving the linux foundation name to the USB root hub

21:33 TR News; Alpine 3.15.1 released Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162637

21:34 bnchs; because 0000:0000 was taken

21:34 TR Bot; Alpine 3.15.1 released | Tux Machines

21:34 bnchs; in 2009

21:34 bnchs; or something

21:34 schestowitz-TR; I see we have people in this IRC network whose principal contribution in Microsoft boot-licking

21:34 schestowitz-TR; but that's OK, I'm not surprised there

21:35 mjg59_; The LF is a corporate funded entity that doesn't care about community beyond what increases their ability to rake in money

21:35 mjg59_; But that doesn't mean they've contributed nothing

21:35 TR News; Steven Vaughan-Nichols has been reduced to writing obligatory SPAM for his sponsor, basically peddling a diploma mill https://www.zdnet.com/education/bootcamps/linux-foundation-and-cncf-launch-cloud-native-developer-bootcamp/

21:35 TR Bot; Foundation and CNCF launch Cloud-Native Developer Bootcamp | ZDNet

21:36 MinceR; they pretended to care, took money from individuals, took over Linux, then kicked out the individual members

21:36 bnchs; mjg59_, what did they contribute

21:36 bnchs; other than giving little money to kernel development

21:36 bnchs; peanuts

21:36 chicksahoy; don't they pay Linus's salary?

21:37 mjg59_; Yes

21:37 mjg59_; They sponsored CUPS development for years

21:37 TR News; My wife on Linux Foundation (seconds ago). "They should be ashamed using the word "Linux"... they have NOTHING to do with Linux"

21:37 mjg59_; They've contributed funding to many projects

21:37 MinceR; they paid for the development of a kernelspace SMB server that nobody wanted

21:38 mjg59_; Yeah that's somewhat bewildering

21:38 MinceR; what's actually bewildering to me is that kernel hackers just let all this happen

21:38 chicksahoy; that might be for ZFS

21:38 chicksahoy; on solaris, ZFS has access to a kernelspace SMB server

21:39 bnchs; hosting a server on the kernel

21:39 bnchs; what could POSSIBLY go wrong?

21:39 chicksahoy; it made sense for solaris

21:39 chicksahoy; zfs sharesmb=on

21:39 mjg59_; bnchs: It's already done for NFS

21:39 mjg59_; We've been using kNFS for about 20 years?

21:40 MinceR; at least NFS isn't a toy protocol like SMB/CIFS is

21:40 bnchs; i thought SMB is microsoft property

21:41 MinceR; it kind of is

21:41 MinceR; someone else came up with it, then MICROS~1 took over it

21:41 mjg59_; The SMB spec is public now, though it wasn't for a long time

21:42 chicksahoy; thanks to EU law right

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21:48 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft:

21:49 schestowitz-TR; 1) we are a nice company

21:49 schestowitz-TR; 2) we broke the law

21:49 schestowitz-TR; 3) we were found guilty

21:49 schestowitz-TR; 4) we take years to actually obey orders

21:49 schestowitz-TR; see (1)\

21:49 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft = nice company!!

21:49 schestowitz-TR; Epstein. Nice guy. Went to prison to do the time.

21:51 TR News; Do not for a second think that GitHub and GitLab are inclusive. They implement RACIST policies for the US government. Free software is inclusive. GitLab and GitHub are proprietary and racist. http://techrights.org/2021/07/29/github-is-racism/

21:51 TR Bot; GitHub is Racism | Techrights

21:51 TR News; Todays #HowTos | #UNIX Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162638

21:51 TR Bot; today's howtos | Tux Machines

21:52 TR News; Valve Wont Support Windows On Steam Deck - Invidious https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z_zWswQTHO8

21:52 TR Bot; Valve Won't Support Windows On Steam Deck - Invidious

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21:53 TR News; "The Hand of Glory, a point and click adventure from Madit Entertainment / Daring Touch has released an official GNU/Linux build. With it now available, the game is on a 55% discount until March 26, a good time to show support for another indie developer." https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/the-hand-of-glory-adventure-game-gets-an-official-linux-port

21:53 Alternative link; Cloudflare: gamingonlinux.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/03/the-hand-of-glory-adventure-game-gets-an-official-linux-port

21:53 TR Bot; Hand of Glory adventure game gets an official Linux port | GamingOnLinux

21:54 TR News; The Device Divide is Hurting Americans. Heres How We Solve It. - Public Knowledge https://publicknowledge.org/the-device-divide-is-hurting-americans-heres-how-we-solve-it/ for starters, QUIT striving to make EVERYTHING "digital". It already harms many things, inc. elections (need paper trial).

21:54 TR Bot; The Device Divide is Hurting Americans. Heres How We Solve It. - Public Knowledge

21:54 AdmFubar; they're cutting their arms off? https://www.windowscentral.com/arm-will-cut-15-its-workers-following-failed-acquisition-nvidia

21:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: windowscentral.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.windowscentral.com/arm-will-cut-15-its-workers-following-failed-acquisition-nvidia

21:54 TR Bot; Arm will cut up to 15% of its workers following failed acquisition by NVIDIA, says report | Windows Central

21:55 TR News; When you toss too many things into a kernel https://www.itworldcanada.com/post/researcher-uncover-dangerous-linux-netfilter-bug

21:55 TR Bot; Researcher Uncover Dangerous Linux Netfilter Bug - IT World Canada

21:56 DaemonFC; I don't get the practicality of accepting Yuan as payment for oil.

21:56 schestowitz-TR; AdmFubar: good

21:56 schestowitz-TR; less production and fewer sales

21:57 schestowitz-TR; reuse, recycle

21:57 DaemonFC; There's still a Dollar Peg that the Chinese are intent on maintaining for now.

21:57 DaemonFC; And I doubt it would go away soon.

21:57 DaemonFC; I suspect that the percentage share of world reserve currencies will move further away from the Euro.

21:58 DaemonFC; There's not much of a real economy there. It's "service" economy crap with 40% youth unemployment in most of the Eurozone.

21:58 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 24.36 k/sec., IPFS upstream 52.56 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.89

21:59 DaemonFC; It generally inherited its marketshare from the French and German currencies before it and hasn't budged a lot since.

21:59 TR News; Zorin OS 16.1 Released with a New Kernel For Better Hardware Compatibility http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162392#comment-33085

21:59 TR Bot; Zorin OS 16.1 is Here, Creators to Donate All Profits from Zorin OS Pro to Aid Ukraine | Tux Machines

10 PM, March 16

22:00 TR News; "Those of you in-the-know are well aware that Zink has always had a crippling addiction to seamless cubemaps. Specifically, Vulkan doesnt support non-seamless cubemaps since nobody wants those anymore, but this is the default mode of sampling for OpenGL." https://www.supergoodcode.com/cubism/

22:00 TR Bot; Cubism Mike Blumenkrantz Super. Good. Code.

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22:01 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22031568

22:01 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/ij4c93yvvhm81.jpg created on 2022-03-15 22:09:48.638766

22:03 TR News; Mozilla Performance Blog: Performance Sheriff Newsletter (January 2022) https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/03/16/performance-sheriff-newsletter-january-2022/

22:03 Alternative link; Cloudflare: mozilla.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://blog.mozilla.org/performance/2022/03/16/performance-sheriff-newsletter-january-2022/

22:03 TR Bot; Performance Sheriff Newsletter (January 2022) Mozilla Performance

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22:06 TR News; IBM (or ICBM as we increasingly call it) isnt fighting for Software Freedom; heck, sometimes it actively helps Microsoft and Microsofts proprietary software agenda http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/meme-ibm-fsf-bad-microsoft-good/

22:06 TR Bot; [Meme] IBM: FSF Bad, Microsoft Good | Techrights

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22:08 chicksahoy; ICBM lol

22:09 matey; schestowitz-TR | the mission is almost fully accomplished by now | Linux... by name only

22:09 matey; almost

22:09 schestowitz-TR; the stance or [psoition is

22:09 matey; we can still watch it flail

22:09 schestowitz-TR; as per their site

22:09 schestowitz-TR; they are not limited to Linux anymore

22:10 schestowitz-TR; they are not openly pro-Windows, yet...

22:10 schestowitz-TR; That statement was composed for LF bya a former Microsoft employee

22:10 schestowitz-TR; JPerlow

22:10 matey; ibrepe is like that too

22:10 matey; its not limited to free software

22:11 schestowitz-TR; they are promoting rivals of Linux

22:11 schestowitz-TR; but mstill use "Linux" in their name

22:11 matey; first linux co-opted gnu

22:11 matey; now lf co-opts linux

22:12 matey; then microsoft co-opts lf. its like russian nesting dolls of bullshit

22:12 schestowitz-TR; they say LF now

22:12 schestowitz-TR; not "Linux"

22:12 schestowitz-TR; everything becomes "LF"

22:12 schestowitz-TR; "Linux F*ed"

22:12 matey; linus was a sellout, open source eats their own

22:12 matey; he wasnt the worst sellout, thats why they got him

22:12 schestowitz-TR; osi is mirosoft now

22:12 matey; theres always one with less integrity

22:13 schestowitz-TR; that's the way to get promote

22:13 schestowitz-TR; d

22:13 schestowitz-TR; the virtue is the lack of integrity

22:13 matey; log in, turn on, sell out

22:13 schestowitz-TR; than come the corporate bucks

22:13 schestowitz-TR; to shoehorn that one into the authority

22:14 matey; i spent a lot of years getting away from non-free stuff. not to just hand all the keys back to ibm and microsoft, thanks

22:14 matey; theyre like that creepy ex that just wont leave you and your family alone

22:14 matey; so they get a job working for your next door neighbour or something

22:14 matey; so you still have to see them everyday-- and theres no other reason for it

22:15 schestowitz-TR; neighbour sounds benign

22:15 schestowitz-TR; neighbours don't bomkb people;

22:15 matey; thats because the neighbour is innocent

22:15 schestowitz-TR; IBM does nukes

22:15 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft does lots of army shiot

22:15 matey; ibm isnt the neighbour, i suppose the linux kernel is the neighbour

22:16 matey; or some other free software project

22:16 matey; microsoft and ibm are the people who wont leave

22:16 matey; first they laugh at you, then they fight you, then they fund you, then you lose

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22:17 matey; its not that bad, its not that hopeless. its close enough.

22:17 matey; its pretty bad

22:17 matey; if it were quite as bad as that there would be no point in fighting them

22:18 matey; i dont believe that though

22:21 matey; part of it is "our fault" for trusting them and letting them in this far

22:21 TR News; Gerbil and Molasses: Two More Gemini (and Gopher) Clients That Are Actively Developed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/

22:21 TR Bot; Gerbil and Molasses: Two More Gemini (and Gopher) Clients That Are Actively Developed | Techrights

22:22 matey; scarequotes because that wasnt a consensus move, and it happened over many years-- and it was deliberate on their part

22:22 TR News; Purism Launches Librem SIMple: A Cellular Service that Protects Digital Privacy http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162631#comment-33086

22:22 TR Bot; Open Hardware: Librem, Arduino, and RISC-V | Tux Machines

22:22 TR News; Gerbil and Molasses: Two More Gemini (and Gopher) Clients That Are Actively Developed | Techrights http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/

22:22 matey; get us to trust them, then go ahead and take over

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22:22 matey; same as the trojan war

22:23 schestowitz-TR; similar, yes

22:23 schestowitz-TR; but that Troy story is not real

22:23 matey; im not surprised

22:23 matey; its a useful allegory

22:23 schestowitz-TR; The horse here cannot even speak good English

22:23 matey; plus these are companies that use those tactics, so even if it was fake then its real now

22:23 schestowitz-TR; and has no experience or pedigree in the community

22:23 schestowitz-TR; Microsoft shill for decades

22:23 matey; are we talking abot swapnil?

22:23 schestowitz-TR; openly corrupt people invite in such horses

22:24 schestowitz-TR; matey: not spamnil

22:24 matey; openly corrupt people invite in such horses <- yes but the community accepts them too. i blame the horse primarily

22:24 schestowitz-TR; ibm and microsoft ceos incidentally have similar accent

22:25 matey; lots of indians are trilingual if not more

22:25 matey; now you mean nadella

22:25 schestowitz-TR; he is sexist, too

22:25 matey; oh absolutely

22:25 schestowitz-TR; but the moles don't mind sexism

22:25 matey; hes very conservative socially

22:25 schestowitz-TR; they just accuse _us_ of it

22:25 schestowitz-TR; even if their masters are very very sexist

22:25 matey; thats how it goes. one rule for rulers, another for the ruled

22:26 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2021/05/07/trolling-the-real-community/

22:26 TR Bot; The Biggest Troll is the Linux Foundation, Still Looking to Provoke and Defame Free Software Communities in Order to Help a Monopolistic Takeover and to Shoehorn Tyrants Into Leadership Positions | Techrights

22:26 schestowitz; they try to induce shameand self-loathing

22:26 schestowitz; or inner conflict

22:26 schestowitz; dividing people

22:26 schestowitz; old tactics

22:26 matey; whats the point of making the rules if you cant put yourself above them?

22:26 *x_ is now known as kingoffrance

22:26 schestowitz; nbritish were not the first to do it

22:26 matey; romans did it before britain?

22:27 schestowitz; http://techrights.org/2022/03/08/russia-history-ibm/

22:27 TR Bot; IBM and Red Hat Boycott Russia and Belarus, But IBMs History Tells a Different Story | Techrights

22:27 schestowitz; matey: don't know

22:27 schestowitz; don't know romas history well

22:27 kingoffrance; "its like russian nesting dolls of bullshit" lol yes

22:27 schestowitz; or persian empie

22:27 schestowitz; or Ottoman

22:27 matey; im sure some of them did

22:27 schestowitz; but be worried when Microsoft ships us lots of opium through indians

22:28 schestowitz; that's another British tactis

22:28 schestowitz; for occupation

22:28 matey; yep

22:28 schestowitz; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_wars

22:28 TR Bot; Opium Wars - Wikipedia

22:28 kingoffrance; "but that Troy story is not real" im sure its astrology...

22:28 matey; funnily enough, the east india company wasnt even interested in conquest (in that sense of the word) just business

22:28 matey; but britain saw an opportunity, to say the very least

22:29 matey; and the east india company was the means

22:29 schestowitz-TR; well, anyway

22:29 schestowitz-TR; if we are governed by a bunch oif stoners

22:29 schestowitz-TR; or if we are brainwsashesd

22:29 schestowitz-TR; sedated

22:29 schestowitz-TR; kool-aid

22:29 matey; today its a lot different, if a company can hijack the government to literally take over new markets in other lands, they will

22:29 schestowitz-TR; e.g. "tech" media

22:29 schestowitz-TR; that's a problem

22:29 schestowitz-TR; it makes the invasion swifter

22:30 kingoffrance; when you said sophist who plays with words (paraphrase) im more and more convinced thats what most things boil down to matey :)

22:30 matey; "marketing"

22:30 matey; its the word of the century

22:31 kingoffrance; LANGUAGE, n. The music with which we charm the serpents guarding another's treasure. and the previous century, and the ... :)

22:31 matey; i dont know about every century

22:31 TR News; Today Linux Foundation published "STATEMENT AGAINST TEXAS DISCRIMINATION". It needs to explain this: http://techrights.org/2019/07/28/linux-foundation-microsoft-outsourcing/

22:31 TR Bot; People From Half a Dozen Countries May be Banned From Participating in the Linux Foundation Because Its Outsourcing Many Projects to Microsoft/GitHub | Techrights

22:31 matey; it certainly has a hold on people

22:31 TR News; The Linux Foundation Does Not Truly Care About Diversity and Inclusion, Its Just Using That Techrights http://techrights.org/2021/12/15/lf-diversity-and-inclusion/ | Gemini address: gemini://gemini.techrights.org/2021/12/15/lf-diversity-and-inclusion/

22:31 TR Bot; The Linux Foundation Does Not Truly Care About Diversity and Inclusion, Its Just Using That | Techrights

22:32 matey; "the priest" is an older example

22:32 matey; prince?

22:32 matey; slip of the tongue maybe

22:32 matey; the prince

22:32 matey; im keeping it though

22:32 schestowitz-TR; princeofprance :-)

22:33 matey; someone you know?

22:33 MinceR; (cat) https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-15-22-18.jpg

22:33 Alternative link; Cloudflare: pleated-jeans.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/funny-pictures-3-15-22-18.jpg

22:33 psydroid2; princedefrance

22:33 psydroid2; PDF

22:33 matey; ohhh

22:33 MinceR; Planetary Defense Force

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22:34 schestowitz-TR; Portable D* F*

22:35 matey; i meant il principe by machiavelli

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22:35 TR News; Linux Foundation Spam, Microsoft Representation, and Fluff Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162639

22:35 TR Bot; Linux Foundation Spam, Microsoft Representation, and Fluff | Tux Machines

22:35 MinceR; "portable" document format

22:35 matey; you can put it on a usb drive and thats portable

22:36 matey; you can extract some of the strings out of it, and if youre really lucky you can get some images

22:36 matey; b

22:36 matey; ut you k

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22:36 matey; now it might look like this

22:37 chicksahoy; PDF works fine on my linux boxes

22:37 matey; its like the ntfs of document formats. sure there are readers, even writers, but its practically non-free anyway

22:37 chicksahoy; libreoffice even has export to PDF

22:37 matey; and inkscape has import

22:37 matey; but its a mess

22:38 schestowitz-TR; :/

22:38 matey; its better than nothing

22:38 schestowitz-TR; pdf does not have much advantages

22:38 matey; it just doesnt convert well

22:38 chicksahoy; whats better than pdf?

22:38 schestowitz-TR; and it assumes you want to print stuff

22:38 MinceR; i have pdf-s in which the capital 'A' in a particular font will only render in adobe's software

22:38 schestowitz-TR; PDF for information is like "apps" for mobile

22:38 matey; document formats are like web browsers, theyve all jumped the shark and they pretty much all suck

22:38 MinceR; because it's "portable"

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22:39 schestowitz-TR; you make the wrong assumption, e.g. that your web site will be accessed by a "phone" or the reader needs pagination

22:39 matey; ignore the fact that microsoft deliberately sought to sabotage them

22:39 MinceR; and adobe's software re-renders the entire page every time you scroll, and only retains the tiny sliver that was exposed by scrolling

22:39 MinceR; so it's an utter pain to use

22:39 kingoffrance; https://github.com/modula3/cm3 in here there was an old thing from dec called lectern (i dont know license) some old "digital paper" project. it was very lightweight, because-rendered. i guess i do not mind pdf itself per se (as read, dont use it for forms or anything fancy) ...but readers you can count from dos version installer fit on a floppy or two....20M download now? so it goes with everything

22:39 TR Bot; - modula3/cm3: Critical Mass Modula-3

22:39 MinceR; adobe people have absolutely no clue about programming

22:40 schestowitz-TR; they oughtsourced around 20 years agho

22:40 kingoffrance; *pre-rendered for various sizes

22:40 schestowitz-TR; not sure if they were better in the 80s

22:40 kingoffrance; *as reader

22:40 matey; in the 80s there was one format for every device :)

22:40 matey; if you owned two devices there were probably two formats

22:40 matey; might as well be docassembly :)

22:40 schestowitz-TR; now we have user ID for each device

22:40 schestowitz-TR; for "optimising ads to YOU!!@"

22:41 chicksahoy; its a shame I can't hand out my resume in markdown format

22:41 matey; gemini works

22:41 kingoffrance; cvs2svn ... to git history: 22 years ago :)

22:41 schestowitz-TR; chicksahoy: if you can, it's a neat employer

22:41 matey; its a shame I can't hand out my resume in markdown format <- you could, you would just limit yourself to cool potential employers

22:41 matey; and there arent many.

22:41 schestowitz-TR; a sign it might be a good place to work

22:42 chicksahoy; there arent any good places to work

22:42 schestowitz-TR; my employer used to be better

22:42 schestowitz-TR; sometimes things deteriorate

22:42 chicksahoy; law firms all want microsoft stuff

22:42 schestowitz-TR; and usually things can only go downhill over time

22:42 schestowitz-TR; as technology generally becomes more hostile over time

22:42 matey; like linux

22:42 schestowitz-TR; yes

22:42 schestowitz-TR; linux too

22:43 schestowitz-TR; I don't need azure-bits in my kernel

22:43 schestowitz-TR; get this crap out of here

22:43 schestowitz-TR; but money

22:43 chicksahoy; whats the solution? freebsd?

22:43 matey; the azure bits arent in the kernel are they? i thought they were in a real time os in the gpu

22:43 schestowitz-TR; freebsd is also in Microsoft's pockets

22:43 matey; freebsd is the most microsoftian bsd

22:43 chicksahoy; openbsd?

22:43 schestowitz-TR; yeah

22:43 schestowitz-TR; openbsd a little less

22:44 schestowitz-TR; but they too are taking microsoft money and similar funding sources

22:44 matey; openbsd is the most free, unless you can run hyperbola

22:44 matey; openbsd has taken money from a lot of people

22:44 chicksahoy; openbsd used to take DARPA money

22:44 matey; but theyve also lost huge amounts of funding through demonstrating integrity

22:44 matey; exactly chicksahoy

22:44 matey; but its not like gnu/linux doesnt have defense contractors

22:44 schestowitz-TR; and they keep things lean

22:45 chicksahoy; openbsd is canadian

22:45 matey; its canadian but not spineless

22:45 kingoffrance; i'd like to raise my price is right figure 302 MB 908 MB for trial of the fancy version windows 11 english 64-bit acrobat reader

22:45 schestowitz-TR; openbsd is dutch-canadian-african ;-)

22:45 schestowitz-TR; 3 continents

22:45 matey; and possibly a little bit martian

22:45 chicksahoy; lol

22:46 matey; most importantly though, freedom 3 is very important

22:46 matey; and its hard to have freedom 3 with something like linux

22:46 matey; which no one can actually fork

22:46 TR News; Gulag Maps is malware. In 2006 you could already read MSM articles about how CIA was using it to locate you and figure out your mind while you used it. https://www.maketecheasier.com/google-maps-location-history/

22:46 TR Bot; 4 Things You Can Do with Google Maps Location History - Make Tech Easier

22:46 matey; the license allows it, it also allows you to jump into space if your legs are strong enough

22:47 immibis; why can nobody fork linux?

22:47 matey; ask linus, he couldnt fork it if he wanted

22:47 immibis; complexity? there are even random hobby operating systems using linux drivers

22:47 MinceR; it's hideously bloated

22:47 chicksahoy; its GPLv2, why cant it be forked

22:47 TR News; 1: Steaming Up About Linux Gaming - TuxDigital https://tuxdigital.com/podcasts/linux-out-loud/lol-1/

22:47 MinceR; but maybe eventually someone will have to do it

22:47 TR Bot; Steaming Up About Linux Gaming - TuxDigital

22:47 matey; oh i didnt say the drivers cant be forked

22:47 immibis; linux drivers are a brilliant starting point for hardware support, compared to no drivers at all

22:48 matey; openbsd has reverse engineered the drivers sometimes

22:48 matey; yeah linux drivers can be reused

22:48 chicksahoy; isnt that because openbsd can't use gpl drivers because it has the bsd license?

22:48 matey; but i dont think there will ever be a fork of the kernel itself

22:48 TR News; "Content note: The following post contains references to violence." Thank you, Sirs, now I want to read it MOAR. https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/

22:48 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/

22:48 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Ukraine-Russia conflict - Access Now

22:48 immibis; there are several forks *in the linux development process*

22:48 immibis; every company that doesn't want to contribute upstream has a fork

22:48 matey; openbsd has a policy of avoiding gpl code

22:48 immibis; which is most of them

22:49 matey; its not complete-- they still use some, try as they might

22:49 immibis; everyone working on the kernel has a fork

22:49 matey; legally it might be on shaky ground to use gpl drivers

22:49 immibis; because?

22:49 matey; everyone working on the kernel has a fork <- this is a linuguistic argument that talks about something other than what im saying altogether

22:49 immibis; patents?

22:50 matey; linux is not forkable in the sense that openoffice was forkable.

22:50 immibis; just make the kernel GPL instead of BSD and you can use the drivers. OpenGPL

22:50 matey; there may be a linux-libre but there will never be a librelinux

22:50 TR News; You won't defeat Vladolf Putler in a war if you raise a generation of imbecile, infantile adolescents who curl up into a fetal position any time they feel a little stressed or challenged

22:50 matey; because linux-libre isnt a fork

22:50 immibis; schestowitz-TR: not even a link. What is TR-news doing? That is basically just culture war propaganda

22:51 immibis; what is a fork?

22:51 matey; there are different kinds of forks, im sure

22:51 matey; i mean a fork in the sense of a project that is based on, but independent of the original.

22:51 schestowitz-TR; immibis: I don't follow...

22:51 matey; thats what libreoffice is

22:51 matey; libreoffice is a true fork

22:52 immibis; schestowitz-TR: pardon me for not knowing how exactly techrights-news operates. techrights-news just privmsg'd some nonsense sentence consisting entirely of culture war bullshit and zero substance. Why is that?

22:52 schestowitz-TR; immibis: no, it challenged self-censorship

22:52 schestowitz-TR; This? [22:50] <techrights-news> You won't defeat Vladolf Putler in a war if you raise a generation of imbecile, infantile adolescents who curl up into a fetal position any time they feel a little stressed or challenged

22:52 immibis; matey: I worked on an embedded linux product, and we just took whatever linux did at that point, and didn't care too much about keeping it up-to-date

22:52 schestowitz-TR; this isn't culture war

22:52 immibis; yes that

22:52 matey; devuan by comparison, will never be independent of debian, even though it was a goal

22:52 immibis; that is culture war

22:52 schestowitz-TR; I can give examples of culture war

22:53 immibis; the culture war implication is that a generation *is* being raised that way

22:53 schestowitz-TR; it's only culture war for people who fall into the dualo-wing spiel

22:53 matey; matey: I worked on an embedded linux product, and we just took whatever linux did at that point, and didn't care too much about keeping it up-to-date <- immibis, that might be an example of a fork that refutes my claim then.

22:53 schestowitz-TR; where you have to "choose a side'

22:53 immibis; the only reason to say it is because of sides

22:54 schestowitz-TR; where you have to "choose a side'] <techrights-news> "Content note: The following post contains references to violence."

22:54 matey; if it does refute my claim, i would have to change the claim to be true: "linux is IMPRACTICAL to fork in any way that is likely to sustain it"

22:54 schestowitz-TR; there are no photos

22:54 immibis; matey: everyone who doesn't install security updates makes a fork

22:54 matey; but saying its "unforkable" for short almost seems reasonable.

22:54 schestowitz-TR; but they warn about mere words

22:54 schestowitz-TR; in this case, not of a sexual nature

22:54 schestowitz-TR; now look at the page

22:54 schestowitz-TR; what they warn about

22:54 immibis; some people have PTSD

22:54 matey; matey: everyone who doesn't install security updates makes a for <- this is a somewhat obtuse and technical claim with no practical b

22:55 matey; earing on the argument

22:55 schestowitz-TR; I don't see anything violent mentioned

22:55 matey; your other claim is more relevant

22:55 schestowitz-TR; as if, the very mention of a war is in itself going to shock people

22:55 kingoffrance; i liked the collective punishment line. the "west" flexing their individualism

22:55 schestowitz-TR; later in universities history cannot be taught

22:55 matey; do it your own way-- or else

22:55 schestowitz-TR; heck, even the bible

22:56 DaemonFC; It seems consumer packaged goods companies have a real disaster on their hands.

22:56 immibis; schestowitz-TR: it may shock some people

22:56 DaemonFC; I've noticed like, huge price hikes on things like soap and coffee, then they put massive rebates on an app.

22:56 immibis; if it doesn't actually talk about violence, then sure, maybe they are being overzealous with the warning

22:57 schestowitz-TR; I am scanning the page atm

22:57 immibis; DaemonFC: welcome to free market. enjoy your stay.

22:57 schestowitz-TR; trying to see if there are any descriptions of torture, mutilation, even death

22:57 matey; i have ptsd, i dont think its reasonable to cover the earth in squishy foam to make it soft enough for me to never bump into it in an unpleasant way

22:57 schestowitz-TR; the page is very focused on internet policy

22:57 schestowitz-TR; and arrests

22:58 schestowitz-TR; immibis: have a loook

22:58 schestowitz-TR; https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/

22:58 Alternative link; Cloudflare: accessnow.org | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.accessnow.org/digital-rights-ukraine-russia-conflict/

22:58 TR Bot; Updates: Digital rights in the Ukraine-Russia conflict - Access Now

22:58 schestowitz-TR; I cannot find violent bits

22:58 schestowitz-TR; "cyberattack" yes

22:58 schestowitz-TR; "outage"

22:58 schestowitz-TR; "blackout"

22:59 schestowitz-TR; IBM might insistb they change the word

22:59 schestowitz-TR; According to IBM, words like blackout are not inclusive

22:59 mjg59_; " The residents of Mariupol have been deliberately cut off from the world after Russian troops shelled the areas last cell tower"

22:59 schestowitz-TR; the page speaksd of technical things

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22:59 mjg59_; Shelling things sounds pretty violent to me

22:59 schestowitz-TR; it does not mention violence (that I can see), only arrests

11 PM, March 16

23:01 mjg59_; How is shelling infrastructure not violent?

23:01 TR News; Embrace Kubernetes, get more security flaws. https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/cr8escape_container_runtime_bug/

23:01 Alternative link; Cloudflare: theregister.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.theregister.com/2022/03/15/cr8escape_container_runtime_bug/

23:01 TR Bot; Kubernetes container runtime CRI-O has make-me-root flaw The Register

23:01 matey; infrastructure isnt people

23:01 matey; or living things

23:01 mjg59_; "behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something."

23:01 mjg59_; Infrastructure is something

23:02 TR News; Some BSDs call them "jails".

23:02 matey; im not so much disagreeing with your definition of violence, as determining what the threshold must be for someone else to count it as such

23:02 matey; they must think it only counts when its directed at (likely sentient) life

23:03 mjg59_; He could say that rather than just switching to a different topic when an example is pointed out

23:03 matey; he could

23:04 kingoffrance; *" infrastructure isnt people" that was supposedly the one "right" of a serf. as a ...thing...attached to the land, they had the "right" to stay and work with a change of owner

23:04 kingoffrance; sometimes people are buildings :)

23:04 schestowitz-TR; So the sefl-described "SJW" is now protecting us from hearing about the shelling of some antenna

23:04 matey; buildings are people too

23:04 kingoffrance; -- mitt romney

23:05 TR News; Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Out Loud, Deck, and FLOSS Weekly Tux Machines http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/162640

23:05 TR Bot; Audiocasts/Shows: Linux Out Loud, Deck, and FLOSS Weekly | Tux Machines

23:05 matey; So the sefl-described "SJW" is now protecting us from hearing about the shelling of some antenna <- if so he has failed

23:05 chicksahoy; i could violently throw my phone at the wall

23:05 schestowitz-TR; soon we won't have news

23:05 schestowitz-TR; or war reporting

23:05 schestowitz-TR; people will just "perish"

23:05 schestowitz-TR; or "move on"

23:06 matey; if you violently throw your phone at the wall, the risk would be startling or concerning others nearby

23:06 schestowitz-TR; "pass way" was the old one

23:06 mjg59_; The entire point of content warnings is so that you don't self-censor in the actual content

23:06 schestowitz-TR; "grandpa passed away"

23:06 matey; to be certain, its all relative. shooting your own pillow with a gun would likely bother them even more.

23:06 schestowitz-TR; look up the skit of george carlin about softening euphemisms

23:06 mjg59_; You let people make a decision about whether they want to read it

23:06 schestowitz-TR; and what they do to communication

23:06 matey; even if it only put a hole in a pillow

23:07 immibis; talks about people being killed and arrested by russia, how is that not violence?

23:07 DaemonFC; I've basically stopped going to McDonalds.

23:07 matey; right on time, dfc

23:07 DaemonFC; That air fryer does a good job on breakfast sandwiches/burritos.

23:07 schestowitz-TR; immibis: the article does not menion deaths

23:07 DaemonFC; Not all soggy like the microwave.

23:07 schestowitz-TR; it mentoons arrests

23:07 schestowitz-TR; like, in Belarus

23:07 immibis; schestowitz-TR: that's what happened with coronavirus. Politicians just got so scared of the far-right that they started pretending it poofed out of existence.

23:07 schestowitz-TR; covid-19 is a very nasty thing

23:08 immibis; shelling has been killing people

23:08 schestowitz-TR; and we need to show people what it does

23:08 schestowitz-TR; for them to not just"chill it out"

23:08 DaemonFC; Yes, they realized finally that the far-right was coming unhinged to the point that they would be another serious threat during the election.

23:08 DaemonFC; Enough to push Republican gains deep deep into districts they had no business even possibly winning before.

23:08 schestowitz-TR; btw, covid isn't a left/right thing

23:08 schestowitz-TR; if you think it is, the media has conned you

23:08 schestowitz-TR; partisan BS, old imperiali tactics

23:08 matey; left/right reactions are a left/right thing (sort of)

23:08 schestowitz-TR; "you hindu/ you muslim"

23:08 DaemonFC; The Democratic Party has been pretty racist throughout history.

23:09 DaemonFC; Even back when it actually was a progressive party.

23:09 DaemonFC; And it didn't simply limit it to "anti-black" racism.

23:09 matey; the line between "left" and "right" is so ridiculous now that its hard to have a conversation about it is that isnt nonsense

23:09 DaemonFC; When the Republicans gained that wing of the Democratic Party, well, the 5 states that make up the "deep south" haven't returned since they voted for Nixon.

23:10 matey; though if someone is yelling at you out of their truck because you ARE wearing a mask, they probably consider themselves right wing.

23:10 schestowitz-TR; soon we won't be able to talk about death penalties

23:10 schestowitz-TR; or gassing of people

23:10 schestowitz-TR; inc. as capital punishment in the US

23:10 DaemonFC; The death penalty is way different than mass executions because "reasons".

23:10 schestowitz-TR; kids will roam the streets care-free

23:10 DaemonFC; Or to put down political opposition.

23:10 matey; im pretty sure even the fake left will continue to protest the death penalty

23:10 schestowitz-TR; they never heard of violence

23:10 schestowitz-TR; no books with witches and snakes

23:10 chicksahoy; when the clownvoy occupied ottawa, i was watching live video and listening to their audio chat (Zello) and it was pretty much all right wing people

23:11 schestowitz-TR; and then some pedophiles show us

23:11 DaemonFC; When you give death to drug dealers and rapists and murderers, then you make society safer.

23:11 chicksahoy; i didnt get that from the media

23:11 DaemonFC; What Putin wants to do is not the "death sentence".

23:11 DaemonFC; It's mass executions to purge opposition.

23:11 matey; stalin loved those

23:11 matey; he was kind of a dick.

23:12 DaemonFC; He openly threatens it now to try to make the protests stop.

23:12 matey; dfc: source?

23:12 XRevan86; Putin has no reason not to bring up the death penalty now.

23:12 XRevan86; * to bring back

23:12 DaemonFC; https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-putin-warns-pro-western-traitors-ukraine-1.6386960

23:12 Alternative link; Cloudflare: cbc.ca | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-putin-warns-pro-western-traitors-ukraine-1.6386960

23:12 TR Bot; Putin warns of pro-Western 'traitors' in Russia, references 'self-cleansing' of country | CBC News

23:12 MinceR; hopefully he'll get it

23:12 matey; cheers

23:12 XRevan86; So that's exciting.

23:12 DaemonFC; "self-cleansing"

23:12 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: lol

23:12 DaemonFC; It's like a self-cleaning oven.

23:12 matey; too soon

23:12 XRevan86; I can confirm he said exactly that.

23:13 DaemonFC; You just put all of the protesters in and set it to MAXIMUM.

23:13 MinceR; https://ircz.de/p/22031428

23:13 TR Bot; IRCZ makes your life worth living https://i.redd.it/84b6qdy010n81.jpg created on 2022-03-14 11:49:55.898848

23:13 DaemonFC; Not at all like something the Nazis did.

23:13 MinceR; all the humans are already in an oven we're heating

23:13 schestowitz-TR; not climate change metaphor

23:13 DaemonFC; I'm still working through "gas guzzler" problems on my car.

23:13 schestowitz-TR; MinceR: porcelain

23:14 DaemonFC; Today I filled up the tank again and got my best city mileage yet.

23:14 XRevan86; I think it's practically impossible to be a pessimist

23:14 DaemonFC; 21.75

23:14 matey; "Meanwhile, U.S. President Joe Biden called Putin a "war criminal"" <- mr biden actually lobbied to increase the death penalty for domestic combatants

23:14 schestowitz-TR; cars are heavy t

23:14 DaemonFC; When I got the car it was getting like 10-11 mpg.

23:14 schestowitz-TR; they will always take up too much power

23:14 schestowitz-TR; and emit heat

23:14 DaemonFC; Mom had let it get so bad.

23:14 schestowitz-TR; no matter if they run on oil or farts or crops

23:14 DaemonFC; Yeah, well, when everything is filthy and worn out, the engine doesn't work right.

23:14 DaemonFC; Then it actually can burn almost twice as much fuel as it's supposed to.

23:14 DaemonFC; :/

23:14 XRevan86; Biden saw the iconic image "War Criminal Pya V.V."

23:15 matey; i think calling putin a war criminal is fair, its funny coming from biden

23:15 schestowitz-TR; Biden was alwaysd regarded as to the "right" of Obama

23:15 DaemonFC; It costs less to clean sensors and replace some wear items than it does to buy all of that extra gas.

23:15 DaemonFC; Especially at these prices!

23:15 schestowitz-TR; on pretty much all policies

23:15 schestowitz-TR; but now, after Trump, many think Biden is "left"

23:15 DaemonFC; Air up your tires. Air is free.

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23:15 DaemonFC; What always makes me laugh is those green tire caps.

23:15 XRevan86; https://static.dw.com/image/54614229_303.jpeg

23:16 DaemonFC; People who fill up their tires with nitrogen for extra money.

23:16 matey; the general grasp on left/right isnt too firm, schestowitz-TR

23:16 XRevan86; Can't remember how many years the authors got.

23:16 DaemonFC; Regular air is 80% nitrogen.

23:16 XRevan86; Ah, 2 years in prison.

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23:16 schestowitz-TR; you need a lot of energy just to inflate the tires

23:16 DaemonFC; So you pay extra, per tire (plus fill-ups) to fill them with something you can mostly get anyway by putting regular air in.

23:16 XRevan86; That was 2018, good times.

23:16 schestowitz-TR; unless you do it manually, which is hard even for a bicycle, takes a lot of effort

23:17 matey; how much to fill your tyres with liquid nitrogen :)

23:17 DaemonFC; schestowitz-TR, I use a bicycle pump to keep mine up to pressure.

23:17 DaemonFC; It's not that difficult.

23:17 DaemonFC; I run mine 35 psi front and 33 psi on the rear.

23:17 schestowitz-TR; I need to get one of those large pumps, but cannot justify it

23:17 schestowitz-TR; they're like 30 pounds and you only use them like twice a year

23:18 schestowitz-TR; I used to pump at the petrol stations

23:18 schestowitz-TR; i don't know if they even make those pumps available anymore

23:18 DaemonFC; Yeah, topping off your tires isn't that difficult.

23:18 DaemonFC; If you never let them get more than 1-2 psi lower than they're supposed to be.

23:19 schestowitz-TR; I use an old plastic tiny bike pump

23:19 schestowitz-TR; I have to strike it like 100 times per tire

23:19 schestowitz-TR; and it's hard to grip

23:19 DaemonFC; You have to keep after it otherwise you're wasting lots of money on extra gas that's not getting you anywhere.

23:19 schestowitz-TR; *stroke

23:19 schestowitz-TR; at least it's light so you can carry it along

23:19 matey; "In his address to ministers, Putin said the West was trying to divide Russia"

23:20 matey; americans: its the russians on twitter!

23:20 matey; russia: its the americans on twitter!

23:20 schestowitz-TR; "divide"=

23:20 matey; twitter: its people who wont give us their phone number!

23:20 schestowitz-TR; they try to make people not agree with me

23:21 schestowitz-TR; if "Stalin's Dream" is people goina round with mobile number as ID, what does that make Twitter? :p

23:21 kingoffrance; divide == we did a false merger and want to cement it, dont blow my smoke screen

23:21 matey; <schestowitz-TR> i don't know if they even make those pumps available anymore <- theyre still available, but they cost more now

23:22 DaemonFC; Twitter is so stupid.

23:22 schestowitz-TR; matey: they used to be free

23:22 DaemonFC; How is a microblogging company that censors and spies "worth" so much it's on a major stock exchange?

23:22 schestowitz-TR; you walk by, pick up the hose

23:22 matey; yep

23:22 matey; <DaemonFC> How is a microblogging company that censors and spies "worth" so much it's on a major stock exchange? <- surveillance capitalism

23:23 schestowitz-TR; DaemonFC: it is not profitable

23:23 schestowitz-TR; not this year

23:23 schestowitz-TR; not last year

23:23 schestowitz-TR; not 2 years ago

23:23 schestowitz-TR; twitter is a money sink

23:23 DaemonFC; The Fed hiked rates a tiny bit today.

23:23 DaemonFC; Market goes up.

23:23 schestowitz-TR; funded partly by Saudi "roysls"

23:23 DaemonFC; That was going on while they were hiking rates under Trump.

23:23 DaemonFC; Every day they hiked, stocks went up.

23:23 matey; the fed poisons everyones coffee just a little each day

23:24 schestowitz-TR; what market? The looters' league

23:24 DaemonFC; So if their whole rationale for keeping rates low is to prop up stocks, which go up when they raise rates, then why keep the rates low?

23:24 schestowitz-TR; the "market" is the shops near you

23:24 schestowitz-TR; not waltons'

23:24 schestowitz-TR; the ordinary shops

23:24 schestowitz-TR; dineries

23:24 DaemonFC; I wondered yesterday...

23:24 schestowitz-TR; that's "the market"

23:24 DaemonFC; Why Walmart is so big in China.

23:24 schestowitz-TR; not TheMarket(R)

23:25 matey; everything in walmart is chinese, including the number of cameras in the store

23:25 schestowitz; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpQYsk-8dWg

23:25 TR Bot; https://yewtu.be/watch?v=zpQYsk-8dWg

23:25 TR Bot; yewtu.be | The Corporation - Documentary - Invidious

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23:25 schestowitz-TR; matey: amazon too, to a degree...

23:26 schestowitz-TR; US "TheMarket(R)"

23:26 matey; amazon is like walmart 2000

23:26 schestowitz-TR; isn't the US

23:26 schestowitz-TR; it's many consumers and many sweatshops

23:26 schestowitz-TR; and people pocketing the surplus

23:26 schestowitz-TR; TheMarket(R) is that last group

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23:29 DaemonFC; I can see why Walmart is doing well in the UK. The government there is as utterly corrupt and maybe worse than the US. It's getting there fast under their current regime.

23:30 DaemonFC; They lost "world power" status a long time ago. They're well past that.

23:30 DaemonFC; They had virtually no leverage left over world politics by 1997 when they handed over Hong Kong and they have even less still now.

23:30 matey; #techrights : 03/16/22 23:24 <DaemonFC> Why Walmart is so big in China

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23:31 matey; DaemonFC dont criticise china. youll get a ping timeout.

23:31 DaemonFC; About the two major changes to push them over the edge entirely are a major pensions and NHS crisis causing government budget problems, and Boris Johnson, which was swept to power by a bunch of idiots who thought one election with a guy promoting brexit would fix everything.

23:31 DaemonFC; T-Mobile internet, everybody.

23:31 DaemonFC; Anyway, Walmart and China...

23:32 DaemonFC; Letting them do business there is graft.

23:32 matey; at least it saves on shipping

23:32 DaemonFC; Walmart buys more from China than cloning their business and running it themselves is worth.

23:32 DaemonFC; Yeah, but other than a brand for shelving, what is Walmart?

23:33 matey; my question is how can walmart actually WORK in china

23:33 matey; how can they cut prices lower than china itself?

23:33 matey; walmart: everything is a penny

23:33 DaemonFC; Well, it's kind of funny because like in China, 90% of the stuff Walmart sells is made in China.

23:33 matey; china: whatever, just take it

23:33 DaemonFC; They probably promote that there. They would never want us to know.

23:34 matey; thats not the worst of it. the worst of it is i had a friend from china that told me people there want to buy all the "american" things

23:35 matey; i was like what american things, you make all of it there

23:35 matey; american logo + chinese manufacturing = american things

23:35 DaemonFC; https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/16/wisconsin-dentist-guilty-damaging-patients-teeth-boost-profits

23:35 TR Bot; Dentist found guilty of damaging patients teeth to boost profits | Wisconsin | The Guardian

23:35 DaemonFC; Another reason to get second and third opinions.

23:36 DaemonFC; It's cheaper than just letting one dentist say you need a root canal and then after he's done nobody can prove you didn't need one.

23:36 kingoffrance; Lev Andropov: It's stuck, yes? Watts: Back off! You don't know the components! Lev Andropov: [annoyed] Components. American components, Russian Components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!

23:36 DaemonFC; Yes, Walmart is on a new "Buy American Pledge".

23:36 DaemonFC; And most of the stuff they said they'd buy is stuff that was already made here and they just started slapping an American flag icon on it.

23:36 DaemonFC; Like fucking mouthwash.

23:37 DaemonFC; "Some of these patients were extremely vulnerable individuals in abusive relationships, recently widowed, survivors of cancer and living paycheck to paycheck scrounging to afford the co-pays required for the unnecessary procedures he was billing, said prosecutor Julie Stewart in 2020."

23:37 schestowitz-TR; Walwart: we buy AMERICA

23:38 schestowitz-TR; (bought it in the 1990s)

23:38 matey; /me liked some of their albums

23:38 DaemonFC; Dentists that take PPO plans are less likely to commit major fraud than the others. Because if they start billing "95% more crowns than average" the insurance companies will launch an investigation into why they're paying that.

23:38 DaemonFC; The ones that "don't take insurance" are more suspicious.

23:39 schestowitz-TR; fwiw, i don't know if walmark uk (asda) does well

23:39 DaemonFC; "<schestowitz-TR> Walwart: we buy AMERICA"

23:39 schestowitz-TR; it's never too busy

23:39 schestowitz-TR; aldi is far more competitive, even lidi

23:39 DaemonFC; Yeah, I remember paying $300 for a DVD player there in the 90s.

23:39 DaemonFC; My dad said to me, DVD's will never catch on.

23:39 schestowitz-TR; many pcs cannot play them

23:40 schestowitz-TR; felta was partly right

23:40 DaemonFC; I said, "Dad, you're the only one who bought an RCA "Disco-o-Vision" system, but DVD will catch on and people will use them decades from now.".

23:40 DaemonFC; New movies still get a DVD release.

23:40 matey; finding a pc that can play vhs is even harder

23:40 schestowitz-TR; now people stream withg drm

23:40 DaemonFC; You can still buy new movies on DVD so obviously people are still buying DVDs.

23:40 schestowitz-TR; matey: ripping is the way

23:41 schestowitz-TR; files you can move around

23:41 schestowitz-TR; blueray and dvd are against thar

23:41 schestowitz-TR; dvd jon changed it

23:41 schestowitz-TR; for a bit

23:41 DaemonFC; DVD can't really stop you from ripping it.

23:41 schestowitz; *bluray

23:41 DaemonFC; It's so weakly protected that a moden computer can just break the disc's encryption in a second or two and rip anyway.

23:42 schestowitz; weakly protected now

23:42 schestowitz; but they have had other plans

23:42 schestowitz; anyway, today's computers lack optical drives

23:42 DaemonFC; You can plug one into USB.

23:42 schestowitz; most people ride the dollars of Wall Street that subsidise them moving to no-own model

23:42 schestowitz; you temporarily rent access to watch something

23:42 DaemonFC; Lenovo gave me a USB type C external DVD-RW drive for free with this laptop.

23:43 schestowitz; like movie theatres, except on your shoddy PC

23:43 schestowitz; with no good picture or sound

23:43 DaemonFC; I can rip CDs with it too if I want.

23:43 kingoffrance; matey, im sure you've seen quite a few 90s vhs used as backup. ~2GB or so per tape?

23:43 schestowitz; but it's an add-on

23:43 DaemonFC; The library has tons of CDs. No need to bittorrent anything and give anyone evidence that you have the music.

23:43 schestowitz; no longer part of the PC

23:43 matey; /me figures that in a few years movies will come encoded on parchment with a series of wheels you have to align, and if you drop the movie a vial spills onto the parchment and destroys it

23:43 DaemonFC; schestowitz, Why would you want it as part of the laptop?

23:44 chicksahoy; its still legal to download pirated music in canada

23:44 DaemonFC; Every disc drive makes the laptop super bulky and then breaks at some point.

23:44 DaemonFC; Then you have a broken disc drive making your laptop heavier.

23:44 schestowitz; matey: lol, just keep watching the ads

23:44 schestowitz; all of them, till the end

23:44 schestowitz; nice parchment

23:44 schestowitz; would be a shame if something happened to it

23:45 schestowitz; DaemonFC: like your earlobes

23:45 schestowitz; they just add weight

23:45 schestowitz; and risk of cancer

23:45 schestowitz; remove them

23:46 matey; ralph fiennes has to retire eventually

23:46 schestowitz; or go fully aerodynamic like crazy van gough

23:46 TR News; The audiocast of today shows Gerbil and Molasses in action; towards the end we also show Moonlander, Telescope, Amfora, Kristall, and Lagrange (Gemini clients) http://techrights.org/2022/03/16/gerbil-and-molasses/

23:46 TR Bot; Gerbil and Molasses: Two More Gemini (and Gopher) Clients That Are Actively Developed | Techrights

23:47 matey; he still had considerable drag on one side

23:47 schestowitz-TR; i thought he did both sides

23:47 matey; you know this is worth looking up

23:47 schestowitz-TR; maybe one was enough for the encelope

23:47 schestowitz-TR; matey: na.. you would get trigger-warned

23:48 schestowitz-TR; but for this one I can understand

23:48 matey; only the lobe of the left, not the whole thing

23:48 schestowitz-TR; it's more gory an articulation than antenna being shelled

23:48 matey; i dont think van gogh had antenna, but it would explain a few things

23:48 kingoffrance; that was dali antenna mustache

23:49 schestowitz-TR; so at school they misled us

23:49 schestowitz-TR; they told us it was the ear, not part of it

23:49 matey; british schools and their anti-impressionist propaganda!

23:49 schestowitz-TR; many people still mutilate themselves for piercings and stuff in that area

23:49 matey; i mean part of the ear is the ear

23:49 matey; like if you hurt your hand

23:50 matey; its not like you have to hurt the whole thing

23:50 schestowitz-TR; palm vs finger

23:50 schestowitz-TR; you struggle a lot with one palm missing

23:50 schestowitz-TR; one finger missing is no great loss

23:50 matey; you know what they say, believe half of what you see and none of what you ear

23:50 *Noisytoot is now known as PissServ

23:50 schestowitz-TR; many lost a finger in their workshops

23:50 schestowitz-TR; unless it's the thumb

23:50 schestowitz-TR; most important finger

23:51 matey; unless it's the thumb <- thats a good rule

23:51 schestowitz-TR; any other finger missing and you can still be world champion at anything

23:51 schestowitz-TR; if humans were designed

23:52 schestowitz-TR; we would have a spare thumb

23:52 schestowitz-TR; or 2 fingers in one direction, 3 the other

23:52 schestowitz-TR; but we are not designed

23:52 matey; or could grow a new one like a gecko

23:52 schestowitz-TR; there you go

23:53 schestowitz-TR; gecko >> human

23:53 schestowitz-TR; octopus for sure

23:53 schestowitz-TR; cats maybe

23:53 matey; id say we make up for it every winter

23:53 matey; sure we might lose some fingers, but geckos will just drop dead

23:54 TR News; Find is not part of Linux https://medium.com/techtofreedom/7-uses-of-find-command-in-linux-c45f70d7351a

23:54 Alternative link; Cloudflare: medium.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://medium.com/techtofreedom/7-uses-of-find-command-in-linux-c45f70d7351a

23:54 TR Bot; Uses of find Command in Linux. Find it and do what you want | by Yang Zhou | TechToFreedom | Mar, 2022 | Medium

23:55 TR News; Linux Foundation or Linus Torvalds need to do some trademark enforcement. https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyc-february-2656919186.html

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23:55 Alternative link; Cloudflare: papermag.com | Alternative: https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.papermag.com/linux-nyc-february-2656919186.html

23:57 AdmFubar; :P my late brother in law cut off two of his finger in an accident.. he used to call them his baby fingers... he got more kids to quit sucking their thumbs by telling them he sucked his thumb a lot when he was little and they didn't grow in right.

23:57 matey; thats wicked

23:57 schestowitz-TR; haha

23:57 matey; After cutting off his ear Van Gogh put on his beret and dragged himself to a nearby brothel to give the severed earlobe, wrapped in paper, to a young woman recently identified as Gabrielle

23:57 AdmFubar; :P

23:58 matey; of course he couldnt leave without his beret

23:58 AdmFubar; now that is wicked sick!

23:58 schestowitz-TR; artist

23:58 IPFS; IPFS downstream 60 minutes average 69.45 k/sec., IPFS upstream 93.16 average k/sec., average swarm size 277.91

23:58 matey; gabrielle is a nice name

23:58 schestowitz-TR; maybe his red tube was out of juice

23:58 schestowitz-TR; and he wanted to finish the painting

23:59 matey; whats the most gracious way to turn down a gifted ear?

23:59 matey; "im so sorry vincent, i already have one"

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