IRC: #techbytes @ Techrights IRC Network: Thursday, August 08, 2024
1 AM, August 8
01:25 *thiel3 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
01:25 *thiel3 (~thiel3@u8mz5ab9qj5ra.irc) has joined #techbytes
01:35 *IsambardPrince (~isambardprince@uv27a6cvmtqf6.irc) has joined #techbytes
2 AM, August 8
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; re canonilca
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; "
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; They claim to be making money hand over fist
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.bdc.ca/en/articles-tools/entrepreneur-toolkit/templates-business-guides/glossary/gross-margin
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; 80% gross margin reported
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; Interesting that the report is in USD, the latest MagPi has had USD prices too
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; One peripheral item to note is that they have used the M$ scammers 'DocuSign'
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; to ID the report.
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; Their most expensive director pulled in $333k USD in 2023
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; ^ MagPi is RPi but the shift has been to USD there, which might possibly be
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; for something related to the IPO
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; I'll look into it more, but it is so far outside my experience that
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; I was mixing up Canonical and RPT.
02:18 schestowitz[TR2]; "
02:18 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-What is gross margin? | BDC.ca
5 AM, August 8
05:03 *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
05:08 *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9dbcu4348vvde.irc) has joined #techbytes
05:09 *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
05:12 *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9dbcu4348vvde.irc) has joined #techbytes
7 AM, August 8
07:51 schestowitz[TR2]; <li>
07:51 schestowitz[TR2]; <h5><a href="https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/08/amd-ryzen-9000-series-processors-dates-and-prices-revealed/">AMD Ryzen 9000 Series processors dates and prices revealed</a></h5>
07:51 schestowitz[TR2]; <blockquote>
07:51 schestowitz[TR2]; <p>AMD have now officially revealed the exact date and pricing for their exciting upcoming AMD Ryzen 9000 Series processors launch.</p>
07:51 schestowitz[TR2]; </blockquote>
07:51 schestowitz[TR2]; </li>
07:51 schestowitz[TR2];
07:51 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-AMD Ryzen 9000 Series processors dates and prices revealed | GamingOnLinux
8 AM, August 8
08:32 *parsifal (~parsifal@6thegygyadsu4.irc) has joined #techbytes
08:32 *parsifal has quit (Quit: Leaving)
noon, August 8
12:06 *psydroid2 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.2.4 Quasar http://www.kvirc.net/)
12:38 psydruid; AMD is very much acting like Intel with its pricing now
12:39 psydruid; many people still like to frame this as an Intel vs AMD thing
12:39 psydruid; because of Microsoft Malware
12:39 schestowitz[TR2]; it was in the 1990s
12:39 schestowitz[TR2]; late 90s
12:39 schestowitz[TR2]; my first amd laptop, 1999
12:39 schestowitz[TR2]; very slow cpu
12:40 schestowitz[TR2]; other hardware was not "for laptops"
12:40 schestowitz[TR2]; i.e. not for windows
12:40 psydruid; I had different reasons to go AMD in the 2000s, it had to do first with Pentium 4 and later with hardware support for virtualisation
12:41 psydruid; Intel liked to segment its processors like that
12:47 schestowitz[TR2]; have a read:
12:47 schestowitz[TR2]; https://www.computer.org/csdl/magazine/co/1995/02/r2064/13rRUwInv7E
12:47 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-www.computer.org | CSDL | IEEE Computer Society
12:48 schestowitz[TR2]; we are way past the point of needing more h/w
12:48 schestowitz[TR2]; "He explores the reasons behind software's increasing heft and relates the history of Project Oberon as an example of how software should be built. Oberon's primary goal was to show that software can be developed with a fraction of the memory capacity and processor power usually required without sacrificing flexibility, functionality, or user convenience.'
12:53 *psydroid2 (~psydroid@j9gt2haw74jrk.irc) has joined #techbytes
1 PM, August 8
13:15 psydruid; I know about Worth, although I haven't looked into Project Oberon yet
13:15 psydruid; Wirth*
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; my first "real" P/L was his
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; (Paascal)
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; and i can relate to this issue
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; most of what i do these days is terminals and text editor
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; with some syntax highlighting, that's all
13:18 schestowitz[TR2]; i am productive that way
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; i use libreoffice for some pdfs
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; but for other reasons
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; otherwise latex
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; but this one is a book
13:19 schestowitz[TR2]; and no maths in it
13:22 psydroid2; mine too, although I learned Java at about the same time
13:23 psydroid2; the machines on my desk have 2 GB and 4 GB, respectively
13:23 psydroid2; and anemic processors, but I always think it's about the system first
13:23 psydroid2; so the right combination of hardware and software
13:23 schestowitz[TR2]; psydroid2: yes, me also, mainlky 2gb
13:23 schestowitz[TR2]; and it's ok
13:24 psydroid2; something modern software developers have lost track of
13:24 schestowitz[TR2]; the newest (2022) is 4gb
13:24 psydroid2; so you need to upgrade every few years to run the latest bloatware
13:24 psydroid2; mainly browsers
13:24 schestowitz[TR2]; xchat is not to obese
13:24 schestowitz[TR2]; or hexchat
13:24 schestowitz[TR2]; or gnome-chat
13:24 psydroid2; I don't think that's sustainable
13:24 schestowitz[TR2]; *too
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; with these specs you get the rejects
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; like, at the shops
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; total clearance
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; cheap cheap cheap
13:25 schestowitz[TR2]; or offloaded from someone else
13:26 psydroid2; that's why it makes sense for OEMs to target M$ bloatware
13:26 psydroid2; they wouldn't earn much targetting GNU/Linux leanware
13:26 psydroid2; or would have to sell a lot more to get the same profits
13:26 psydroid2; and that wouldn't work with their bloated corporate structures
13:34 schestowitz[TR2]; windows is 'free'
13:34 schestowitz[TR2]; they add junk to it
13:34 schestowitz[TR2]; like spyware and "bonzi buddy" grade "shit"
13:34 schestowitz[TR2]; you know what i mean
13:34 schestowitz[TR2]; no point explaining it ;-)
13:34 schestowitz[TR2]; but that model pisses off some customers
13:34 schestowitz[TR2]; they don't mind paying a little more
13:34 schestowitz[TR2]; to not have the shit preloaded
13:35 schestowitz[TR2]; android and chromeos are the 'same'
13:35 schestowitz[TR2]; you get android 'free'
13:35 schestowitz[TR2]; but the OEM preloads gmail etc
13:35 schestowitz[TR2]; it's in their contract with google, I used to remember the details
13:35 schestowitz[TR2]; it was subject to court cases' scrutiny
13:35 schestowitz[TR2]; "no free lunch"
13:36 psydroid2; they wouldn't dare to do things like this in the pre-Windows days
13:36 psydroid2; imagine a university lab with UNIX machines having this kind of malware on every machine
13:37 psydroid2; and now it's supposed to be normal to have these kinds of malware machines even in academia
13:37 schestowitz[TR2]; right
13:37 schestowitz[TR2]; but this is what happened
13:37 psydroid2; it's a farce and they know it
13:37 schestowitz[TR2]; the business supremacy
13:37 schestowitz[TR2]; even ISPS
13:37 schestowitz[TR2]; the net used to be for academia
13:37 schestowitz[TR2]; and then the ISPs gave dial-up
13:37 schestowitz[TR2]; and then did DPI
13:38 schestowitz[TR2]; deep packet inspaection
13:38 schestowitz[TR2]; so it's "monetisable"
13:38 schestowitz[TR2]; and you cannot even opt out
13:38 schestowitz[TR2]; unless you encrypt everythinmg
13:41 psydroid2; I wonder if the layoffs at x86 hardware companies (Intel, Dell and others) is tied to the decline of Windows and its market share
13:41 psydroid2; and if this this only the beginning
13:42 *IsambardPrince has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
13:42 psydroid2; I think the hardware companies that will come out of this winning aren't going to be the traditional American and Taiwanese OEMs
13:42 psydroid2; unless they manage to fool people into thinking that Windows hardware in an ARM disguise is somehow revolutionary
13:43 schestowitz[TR2]; right
13:43 schestowitz[TR2]; anyway, you CAN get h/w for free
13:43 schestowitz[TR2]; almost
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; because many fools think their PC 'expired'
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; but it's not
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; it's eprfectly OK
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; i also get coconut water from sri lanka
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; about 90% or 95% off RRP
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; because people here don't know what it is
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; and won't buy it
13:44 schestowitz[TR2]; so I got like 40 cartons of the thing
13:45 schestowitz[TR2]; there are usually scenarios where collective ignorance leaves you better off
13:56 psydroid2; that's true
2 PM, August 8
14:01 schestowitz[TR2]; our monthly expenses are laughably low
14:01 schestowitz[TR2]; but we live a good life
14:02 schestowitz[TR2]; daemonfc is the same
14:05 psydroid2; I don't know if large parts of society are able to live like that
14:05 psydroid2; always wishing for the next big material possession
14:06 psydroid2; houses and apartments are pretty much unaffordable here
14:06 psydroid2; the same thing that happened in Ireland
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; it is by design
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; see materials
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; and how they deteriorate
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; like a car
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; and then you realise you overpay
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; when you buy one
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; the prices will fall
14:10 schestowitz[TR2]; when the economies return to their senses
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; remember we looked at some dutch houses
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; not even livable
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; and how much they want for it
14:11 schestowitz[TR2]; without walls or anything
14:16 psydroid2; I don't think there's anything this society offers what you can't get in the UK
14:16 psydroid2; that*
14:20 psydroid2; and there is now a housing shortage causing house prices to soar
14:21 psydroid2; even I am looking to abandon this place, as my sister is with her family over the next few years
14:24 schestowitz[TR2]; it's a global issue
14:24 schestowitz[TR2]; i read the same in DW and CBC
14:24 schestowitz[TR2]; they SAY there is a shortae
14:24 schestowitz[TR2]; *ge
14:24 schestowitz[TR2]; to drive up prices
14:25 schestowitz[TR2]; yet you walk out there and see loads of empty and unsold units
14:25 schestowitz[TR2]; and you know it's a delusion
14:25 schestowitz[TR2]; commonly spread in media
14:25 schestowitz[TR2]; there are enough rooms for everyone
14:25 schestowitz[TR2]; and then some
14:29 psydroid2; so they want to scare people away?
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; no
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; they protect the owner class
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; the people who bribe politicians
14:32 schestowitz[TR2]; and own the lion's share of "property"
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; so rent slavery persists
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; or people take mortgages
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; and pay 7% on it every year, just the interest alone
14:33 schestowitz[TR2]; until they die
14:35 schestowitz[TR2]; so whatever wage they give you..
14:35 schestowitz[TR2]; they clwn a lot of it back
14:35 schestowitz[TR2]; and the pensioin is used to prop up their ponzi market or share prices
14:36 schestowitz[TR2]; while the salary you pay also gets paid into the state
14:36 schestowitz[TR2]; as taxes
14:36 schestowitz[TR2]; while they themselves barely pay any taxes
14:36 schestowitz[TR2]; so a lot of the labour gives "money"
14:36 schestowitz[TR2]; and most of it is fed back to them
14:36 schestowitz[TR2]; "tax on life"
14:36 schestowitz[TR2]; s/clwn/claw
14:47 psydroid2; that sounds exactly like neofeudalism enabled by technofeudalism
14:55 schestowitz[TR2]; i didn't read the book
14:57 psydroid2; I've only read the first chapter so far
3 PM, August 8
15:00 schestowitz[TR2]; http://techrights.org/n/2024/07/05/Yanis_Varoufakis_About_Turning_Technology_Back_Against_Sources_.shtml
15:00 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-techrights.org | Techrights Yanis Varoufakis About Turning Technology Back Against "Sources of Power"
15:49 *jacobk (~quassel@rr2rh58ht72yy.irc) has joined #techbytes
4 PM, August 8
16:10 *psydroid3 (~psydroid@j9gt2haw74jrk.irc) has joined #techbytes
16:13 *x-amarsh04 has quit (Quit: Konversation terminated!)
16:13 *x-amarsh04 (~amarsh04@9dbcu4348vvde.irc) has joined #techbytes
5 PM, August 8
17:04 *GNUmoon2 has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
17:18 *GNUmoon2 (~GNUmoon@vrjpn3w7kihz4.irc) has joined #techbytes
8 PM, August 8
20:58 schestowitz[TR2]; http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/08/fishy-evidence-do-we-have-right.html?showComment=1723033576963#c6978856090540206300
20:58 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Fishy evidence: Do we have the right sufficiency standard for therapeutic use? (T 1057/22) - The IPKat
20:58 schestowitz[TR2]; "The questions is asked whether we need a reset of what it means for a therapeutic use to be disclosed? This case cannot be used as evidence to support a problem with the sufficiency requirement for a medical use. Just because the poster believes the invention is fishy is not a just reason. Yes, it may appear unlikely that there would be a proven clinical benefit if a trial is conducted. Yes, there is no commercial benefit from a
20:58 schestowitz[TR2]; therapeutic patent monopoly for a "nutritional supplement" absent clinical data. More importantly, there should be no promotion of the supplement for any remote anticancer benefit absent marketing approval. This would be unlawful though there are many methods marketers can use to avoid illegality.<br /><br />So why is this not a case that should lead us to write to our MP's? Simply, because there is credible data in the
20:58 schestowitz[TR2]; patent monopoly that an anti-cancer effect is achieved both in vitro (cancer cell lines) and in vivo (murine model) using the claimed substance. Issues over breadth of scope are legal technicalities that are case-specific and are irrelevant to the broader question of what data is required to justify support.<br /><br />As commented, clinical trial data is not the relevant standard. That is the standard for marketing approval. For
20:58 schestowitz[TR2]; the patent monopoly system to support pharmaceutical innovation, it is also an unworkable standard. There are many who believe it is the right standard; the ignorant.<br /><br />The data provided in the patent monopoly is the same data used to support patents for unapproved pharmaceuticals; those the poster would not find fishy. Such unapproved pharmaceuticals may have a more realistic chance of success than the fish oil in the mi
20:58 schestowitz[TR2]; nds of the "pharma-informed", but they are themselves at high risk of failure. Indeed, composition of matter patents cover may trillions of compounds that have a cat-in-hell's chance of success.<br /><br />The in vitro and in vivo tests of the patent monopoly are reasonable experiments to conduct to determine whether a compound has any potential benefit for further evaluation. Whether such tests are reasonably predictive
20:58 schestowitz[TR2]; for the supplement of the patent monopoly is something that expert evidence would shed further light on. The opposition was a little weak, and maybe the patent monopoly is undeserved, but the patentee's case was the stronger.<br /><br />The final comment on whether the right kind of innovation is being rewarded is indicative of the objection to this patent monopoly being possibly based on a non-objective analysis."
20:59 schestowitz[TR2]; http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2024/08/fishy-evidence-do-we-have-right.html?showComment=1723041032451#c6778138478181122971
20:59 -TechBytesBot/#techbytes-ipkitten.blogspot.com | Fishy evidence: Do we have the right sufficiency standard for therapeutic use? (T 1057/22) - The IPKat
20:59 schestowitz[TR2]; "Rose reports that the Opponent failed to meet its burden of proof and convince the tribunal that the data was insufficient to establish plausibility. Indeed, in TKIP's judgement, the data was, all along, "credible". Rose discusses the obviousness issue and then asks whether a "reset" of the sufficiency standard is needed in Europe but it seems to me that if one is needed it is in the USA rather than in Europe.
20:59 schestowitz[TR2]; <br /><br />But then again, if the obviousness enquiry under the EPC were to be as grotesque as in the USA, one could understand the EPO resorting more often to Art 83 EPC to prevent unpatentable matter making it through to grant. As it is, at the EPO, obvious subject matter can be refused without much ado. And that's the more important thing, isn't it?"
9 PM, August 8
21:48 *psydroid3 has quit (Quit: KVIrc 5.0.0 Aria http://www.kvirc.net/)
10 PM, August 8
22:04 *IsambardPrince (~isambardprince@p9a7bfbzj6a68.irc) has joined #techbytes
11 PM, August 8
23:38 *jacobk has quit (Ping timeout: 2m30s)
23:40 *jacobk (~quassel@rr2rh58ht72yy.irc) has joined #techbytes
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; "Hi Roy,
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; It's interesting to see which AI companies will be able to scale moving forward. The recent market volatility may or may not bring the AI front runners to the very top. But we already know who those are, OpenAI, Nvidia and Anthropic.
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; I wish upon you ample doses of pain and suffering, Said Nvidias CEO to Stanford Students a few months ago, implying, success requires ample doses of pain.
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; However, is this recent market tumble something the burgeoning AI market can survive or is it the ample dose of pain and suffering required to separate the true AI winners?
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; Id like to offer Jim Kaskade, CEO of Conversica, the company that created the first enterprise-ready GPT solution. Jim has been talking about AI in the Wall Street Journal, CNBC, and ABC7, and can provide insights on if we are in an AI bubble or not.
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; Additionally, I can offer Talal Shamoon, CEO of Intertrust, a data governance and authentication company. Talal can contribute his decades experience as a Silicon Valley-based tech CEO who has seen plenty of new technologies succeed and fail.
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; Should I arrange a call for you with Jim and Talal?
23:57 schestowitz[TR2]; Best,"
23:58 schestowitz[TR2]; "Hi Roy,
23:58 schestowitz[TR2]; Microsoft has confirmed that its second IT outage in two weeks was caused by a Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) attack. This disruption, which lasted nearly 10 hours and affected services like Microsoft 365, Azure, and Minecraft, was exacerbated by a misconfiguration in the companys DDoS protection mechanisms.
23:58 schestowitz[TR2]; As you have covered cyber attack, Id like to introduce you to Harjinder Lallie, university reader (Cyber Security) at University of Warwick."