● 10.30.09

●● Sun Microsystems and SirsiDynix Libel GNU/Linux and Free Software

Posted in Free/Libre Software, FUD, GNU/Linux, Kernel, SUN at 6:45 am by Dr. Roy Schestowitz

Summary: Two companies are shown for their smears of Free software competitors, one using a leak (probably disgruntled employee) and another using a former employee

OUR READER David Gerard has found this new addition to Wikileaks. Titled “SirsiDynix Corp restricted lobby paper against Open Source technologies,” the paper contained therein shows an ongoing slander of Free software and it is summarised as follows:

↺ new addition to Wikileaks

This document was released only to a select number of existing customers of the company SirsiDynix, a proprietary library automation software vendor. It has not been released more broadly specifically because of the misinformation about open source software and possible libel per se against certain competitors contained therein.SirsiDynix is currently embroiled in a lawsuit with one of the largest public libraries in the U.S. (Queens Borough, NY) and this document does illustrate the less-than-ethical nature of this company. The source states that the document should be leaked so that everyone can see to what extent SirsiDynix will attempt to spread falsehoods and smear open source and the proponents of open source.

In other news, just two hours ago Pawel let us know that a former Sun employee (and one of the developers of ZFS) is spreading lies about GNU/Linux. We append the communication below for those who wish to read it in isolation. █

pawel_pfkhelloOct 30 09:35pawel_pfkI found sun is spreading FUD about LinuxOct 30 09:35pawel_pfkit’s probably part of solaris 10 advertisementOct 30 09:35pawel_pfklast time it was Bonwick, but Dave – Linux dev wrote response on his blog to Bonwick’s liesOct 30 09:36pawel_pfkhttp://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/2007/04/10#bonwick_scalabilityOct 30 09:36pawel_pfkand now, it’s some other maggotOct 30 09:36pawel_pfk:Oct 30 09:36pawel_pfkhttp://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtmlOct 30 09:36phIRCe-localTitle: Solaris vs Linux .::. Size~: 24.86 KBOct 30 09:36pawel_pfkhe repeats Bonwick bull, but ads more textOct 30 09:37*pawel_pfk has quit (Remote closed the connection)Oct 30 09:42*pawel_pfk (n=quassel@82.177.199.102) has joined #boycottnovellOct 30 09:43pawel_pfkis there possibility to post article about this?Oct 30 09:45schestowitzHeyOct 30 09:46schestowitzLet me seeOct 30 09:46-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] No #Yahoo for #Microsoft, #CarlIcahn Sued by #GoldmanSachs http://ping.fm/zE2DaOct 30 09:46phIRCe-localTitle: No Yahoo! for Microsoft, Carl Icahn Sued by Goldman Sachs | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.43 KBOct 30 09:47*oiaohm (n=oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm) has joined #boycottnovellOct 30 09:47schestowitzpawel_pfk: is this a new thing?Oct 30 09:47schestowitzIt looks like older stuffOct 30 09:47pawel_pfkyes, it’s from current yearOct 30 09:47pawel_pfkafaik it’s written article is made since 2005Oct 30 09:48pawel_pfkit seems it’s still in ‘production’Oct 30 09:49pawel_pfkthey even quote m$ Balmer there and encourage to read windows evangelism documentsOct 30 09:51pawel_pfkit’s aimed directly against LinuxOct 30 09:51pawel_pfkCreated Jan 2, 2005. Last modified: September 15, 2009Oct 30 09:52oiaohmBalmer fear of Linux is justified. Remember Unix guys at one point said that Linux could never take over there markets due to not being able to match what there full time developers were doing.Oct 30 09:52pawel_pfkso quite newOct 30 09:52pawel_pfksun wants to make more mony on dying cow which Solaris is :>Oct 30 09:53pawel_pfkmoney*Oct 30 09:53pawel_pfkit always attacks Linux – remember Solaris is better Linux than Linux campaign?Oct 30 09:54oiaohmFor a time that was true pawel_pfkOct 30 09:54pawel_pfkmaybe Oct 30 09:55oiaohmSolaris was the techincally strongest of all the Unix’s.Oct 30 09:55pawel_pfkyep, but it was quite long agoOct 30 09:55oiaohmStill has some techincal advantages over Linux.Oct 30 09:55pawel_pfkyep, ZFS and DTraceOct 30 09:55oiaohmBut they are fading fast.Oct 30 09:55pawel_pfkbut this article is full of bullOct 30 09:56oiaohm2.6.32 mostly takes out DtraceOct 30 09:56pawel_pfktypical marceting crap in this caseOct 30 09:56pawel_pfkI know :>Oct 30 09:56oiaohmYou forget zones pawel_pfkOct 30 09:56oiaohmLinux kernel is still working on catching up with them.Oct 30 09:56pawel_pfkoiaohm: yes, but they’re working on themOct 30 09:56pawel_pfkin few areas onlyOct 30 09:57pawel_pfklike zones and fsOct 30 09:57oiaohmOthere area is management software.Oct 30 09:57pawel_pfkwhen comes to scallability Linux ownsOct 30 09:57oiaohmLinux management software still needs more work.Oct 30 09:57pawel_pfkok, but let’s not make a flame here Oct 30 09:57oiaohmBut that is the list.Oct 30 09:58pawel_pfkif you’ll read this article you’ll see there are many liesOct 30 09:58oiaohmLink to artical.Oct 30 09:58oiaohmI entered after link being said here I guess.Oct 30 09:58pawel_pfkhttp://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/solaris_vs_linux.shtmlOct 30 09:58phIRCe-localTitle: Solaris vs Linux .::. Size~: 24.86 KBOct 30 09:58pawel_pfkand Linux dev response to previous bull:Oct 30 09:59pawel_pfkhttp://vger.kernel.org/~davem/cgi-bin/blog.cgi/2007/04/10#bonwick_scalabilityOct 30 09:59pawel_pfksun definetly wants to rise solaris 10 sales by spreading FUD about LinuxOct 30 10:00pawel_pfkits advertisements are everywhere – phoronix, linux.com (lol) and at some other sidesOct 30 10:01pawel_pfksites* sorryOct 30 10:01oiaohmThat is a older document reposted ie solaris vs LinuxOct 30 10:02pawel_pfkit’s updated in september 09Oct 30 10:02oiaohm2005 is not when I first saw it.Oct 30 10:02oiaohmYear 2000 I saw that document.Oct 30 10:02pawel_pfkalright Oct 30 10:02oiaohmIn the context of year 2000 most of it is correct.Oct 30 10:03pawel_pfkI found it yesterday and I thought it’s from current yearOct 30 10:03pawel_pfkhowever, they mentioned btrfs thereOct 30 10:03oiaohmIts really lacking in corrections to keep it update.Oct 30 10:03pawel_pfkso it’s being updated all the timeOct 30 10:03oiaohmMost of the corrections are making the document more and more invalid.Oct 30 10:03pawel_pfkthis is obvious, mostly there are lies Oct 30 10:04oiaohmLazy writer at work.Oct 30 10:04pawel_pfkwe’ll see if they start linking some sites to this articleOct 30 10:05pawel_pfkand then, maybe it will be worth to mention something about it?Oct 30 10:06pawel_pfkif it will happen of courseOct 30 10:06oiaohmSome of the stuff is still true.Oct 30 10:07oiaohmLike lack of focus on creating and maintaining the documentation.Oct 30 10:07oiaohmBlender conf recently almost rioted over it.Oct 30 10:07pawel_pfkyep, but documentation itself is dead Oct 30 10:07pawel_pfkof course, there are probably some good points, but everything is written to show solaris as perfect osOct 30 10:08pawel_pfkand Linux as the worstOct 30 10:08-BNc/#boycottnovell-[schestowitz] #AlexBrown is #Microsoft ’s “Insider Friend, ‘the Fox’” http://ping.fm/2R9de shameless shill for MicrosoftOct 30 10:08phIRCe-localTitle: Alex Brown is Microsofts “Insider Friend, ‘the Fox’” | Boycott Novell .::. Size~: 114.38 KBOct 30 10:09oiaohmYet in recent years solarias documentatio have slippedOct 30 10:09oiaohmSame issue as linux not enough people maintaining it.Oct 30 10:09schestowitzpawel_pfk: is Sun tied to these latest smears?Oct 30 10:09schestowitzThey can say it’s “some guy”Oct 30 10:10pawel_pfkschestowits: sun always acts in this wayOct 30 10:10oiaohmWhat gets me is it is a pure recycled documents.Oct 30 10:10oiaohmThis is no sun normal method.Oct 30 10:10oiaohmno/notOct 30 10:10pawel_pfkschestowits: they use blogs and some people to attack othersOct 30 10:10pawel_pfkprobably never directlyOct 30 10:11oiaohmpawel_pfk: Sun PR teams do act directly.Oct 30 10:11pawel_pfkoiaohm: yes?Oct 30 10:11oiaohmNormally with valid documents.Oct 30 10:11schestowitzWhich blogs?Oct 30 10:11pawel_pfkschestowitz: i.e. BonwickOct 30 10:11oiaohmOne document is not valid you really have to wonder who.Oct 30 10:11pawel_pfkthis guy worked at ZFSOct 30 10:11pawel_pfkoiaohm: what document? Oct 30 10:12pawel_pfkhttp://blogs.sun.com/bonwick/entry/solaris_insideOct 30 10:12phIRCe-localTitle: Solaris Inside : Jeff Bonwick’s Blog .::. Size~: 23.54 KBOct 30 10:12pawel_pfkhe spreaded FUD some time ago on his blogOct 30 10:13pawel_pfkand I gave Dave response to this FUD beforeOct 30 10:13pawel_pfkbut it’s from 07 afaikOct 30 10:13oiaohmIt not 100 percent FUD.Oct 30 10:14oiaohmAround 2007 Linux was not getting the same percentage of yield from cpu cores as what solarias was.Oct 30 10:14pawel_pfkmaybe not 100 percent Oct 30 10:14pawel_pfkDave said something elseOct 30 10:14oiaohmHe also pointed to the issue.Oct 30 10:15oiaohmFs of Linux was still single data stream.Oct 30 10:15pawel_pfkand Dave explained why it was like this Oct 30 10:15oiaohmOnly fixed in 2.6.32 by the way the data stream issue.Oct 30 10:15Diablo-D3[06:11:34] Around 2007 Linux was not getting the same percentage of yield from cpu cores as what solarias was.Oct 30 10:15Diablo-D3probably an accounting errorOct 30 10:16Diablo-D3bfs > *Oct 30 10:16pawel_pfkoiaohm: probably not, because there’s written about this ‘issue’ at lkml and it was configuration problemOct 30 10:16pawel_pfksomething related to childsOct 30 10:16oiaohmIt was a mixture of things.Oct 30 10:16oiaohmWhen solarias put in zfs they fixed there lower filesystem stack.Oct 30 10:17pawel_pfkI checked and even 2.6.8 scalled easily up to 64 CPUsOct 30 10:17oiaohmThat did make a major performance differenceOct 30 10:17pawel_pfkbut Bonwick said it was Linux problem, but it was just configuration problemOct 30 10:17oiaohmSince 2.6.8 you are aware that Linux has many times doubled it processing on 128 cpu systems.Oct 30 10:17pawel_pfkthere’s a thread about thisOct 30 10:17oiaohmIe its yield numbers.Oct 30 10:18oiaohmThese days the 2007 stuff is pointless the issues that caused the yield to be low is mostly gone.Oct 30 10:18pawel_pfkbut it’s not related Oct 30 10:18oiaohmLocks filesystem particular vfs kernel locking .Oct 30 10:19oiaohmYes the Blasted big kernel lock.Oct 30 10:19pawel_pfkBonwick said Linux scales worst then Solaris, but Linux scalled much better those times Oct 30 10:19pawel_pfkand it scales far better nowOct 30 10:19pawel_pfkhe just lied Oct 30 10:19oiaohmUnder particular work loads Bonwick was right.Oct 30 10:19oiaohmFilesystem work loads.Oct 30 10:20pawel_pfkno, he mentioned SGIOct 30 10:20pawel_pfkand it was explained it was just configuration problemOct 30 10:20oiaohmGuess what section Bonwick works on in SolariasOct 30 10:20pawel_pfkhe worked on zfsOct 30 10:20*binky (i=56848487@gateway/web/freenode/x-wfcgfbrqmsflvlth) has joined #boycottnovellOct 30 10:20pawel_pfkbut it doesn’t matter too muchOct 30 10:20pawel_pfkif sun paid him, he sold his mind Oct 30 10:20oiaohmSolarias filesystem vfs did not have a big kernel lock in it like Linux.Oct 30 10:20oiaohmHitting the lock to lock everything in the vfs was not a good thing.Oct 30 10:21pawel_pfkhowever, Linux had and has RCUOct 30 10:21pawel_pfkand it makes a big differenceOct 30 10:21oiaohmOnly recently did Linux vfs move to RCUOct 30 10:21binkymorning folks. has anyone heard more about the layoffs at novell this week?Oct 30 10:21pawel_pfkthose time Bonwick was lying, Linux had RCUOct 30 10:22oiaohmIf people had taken Bonwick answers in context to where it works we might have got the vfs in Linux fixed sooner.Oct 30 10:22pawel_pfkoiaohm: its explained in Dave’s responseOct 30 10:22oiaohmDave responed to general all round powOct 30 10:23oiaohmpawel_pfk: Oct 30 10:23oiaohmGeneral all round Dava was right.Oct 30 10:23oiaohmBut there was a pocket of hell.Oct 30 10:23pawel_pfkit’s just sun’s nature Oct 30 10:23pawel_pfkthey always attack via blogs etc.Oct 30 10:23oiaohmIts knowing sun developers.Oct 30 10:23pawel_pfkwhy they didn’t make official statement?Oct 30 10:23pawel_pfkbecause they fearedOct 30 10:24oiaohmSun developers work inside a particualy field and are known to be tunneled vissioned.Oct 30 10:24pawel_pfkhehe ;DOct 30 10:24oiaohmSo if you take there blog posts with that. They can point you to critical areas of issues.Oct 30 10:24pawel_pfkbut usually those isues are imaginableOct 30 10:25pawel_pfknormal devs don’t play in such gamesOct 30 10:25oiaohmI am sorry to say it happens to normal developers as well.Oct 30 10:25*krenso (n=krenso@91.146.240.107.ip.abpl.pl) has joined #boycottnovellOct 30 10:25pawel_pfknormally any dev don’t attack others imhoOct 30 10:26pawel_pfktill he’s paidOct 30 10:26oiaohmIts like the developers in the Linux kernel saying having to scheduler at fault.Oct 30 10:26oiaohmEven when it was major locking issues.Oct 30 10:26pawel_pfkthey’re talking about their projectOct 30 10:26oiaohmOr that Linux out benches something else.Oct 30 10:26pawel_pfkI never saw they something like thisOct 30 10:27oiaohmMost of the time they do include the context sometimes they forget including.Oct 30 10:27pawel_pfkusually they responed to other benchmarksOct 30 10:27oiaohmNormally do correct it.Oct 30 10:27oiaohmJust sun developers are not known for doing the correct. They just keep on moving forward.Oct 30 10:27oiaohmNotice the sun developer did provide context.Oct 30 10:28pawel_pfkin my opinion in your interest is to protect sun and it seems a little flame is starting, so maybe we’ll better stop here?Oct 30 10:28oiaohmBut if you were developing a storage appliance Oct 30 10:54oiaohmShould be expected to be spreed over 2005 to 2009 of entries.Oct 30 10:54oiaohmDeclare of unpublished says draft even if it posted or not.Oct 30 10:54oiaohmIts posted for feed back to correct errors pawel_pfkOct 30 10:54pawel_pfkI know, but google bots read itOct 30 10:55pawel_pfkand some people alsoOct 30 10:55oiaohmAnd that document need a lot.Oct 30 10:55pawel_pfkthe best would be to delete this bull, too much to correctOct 30 10:55oiaohmPeople are dumb.Oct 30 10:55pawel_pfksadly, but trueOct 30 10:55oiaohmIts not that sun has done anything wrong as such.Oct 30 10:55oiaohmThey are purely depending on the DUMB to turn a draft document into fud.Oct 30 10:56pawel_pfknope, their marketing guys probably said it will be a nice solaris 10 advertisementOct 30 10:57oiaohmSince the sections in the draft were correct at some time in the 2005-2009 time window they are home free from a white paperOct 30 10:57oiaohmNow any white paper that is draft should never be quoted.Oct 30 10:57oiaohmBecause its draft and could have to be corrected.Oct 30 10:57oiaohmNow if you could find SUN marketing people quoting it you would have them by the balls pawel_pfkOct 30 10:58pawel_pfkit’s unfinished to not let other people act officialyOct 30 10:58treestrumpunpublished only means it has not been published in a journal, like most blogsOct 30 10:58pawel_pfkso, it seems it’s another sun attack via ‘blog’Oct 30 10:58oiaohmunpublished also does not mean released as final version treestrumpOct 30 10:58pawel_pfkunfinished is a shield in this caseOct 30 10:59pawel_pfknobody says it’s a final versionOct 30 10:59treestrumpnobody says it’s a draft either.Oct 30 10:59pawel_pfkcurrent version is just a piece of bullOct 30 10:59oiaohmunpublished documents are also not meant to be quoted from treestrump. No peer review.Oct 30 11:00oiaohmFor defects.Oct 30 11:00pawel_pfkfor protection and because of cowardnessOct 30 11:00-BNc/#boycottnovell-[thistleweb] New Blog Post – Back In Business | The Digital Prism http://tinyurl.com/yzmkbcgOct 30 11:00phIRCe-localTitle: Back In Business | The Digital Prism .::. Size~: 11.57 KBOct 30 11:01pawel_pfkI just wanted to point sun stills spread FUD against Linux, you’ll do what you want Oct 30 11:01oiaohmpawel_pfk: anywhere SUN marketing quote it. Or is it SUN letting other idiots quote it missing the documents status.Oct 30 11:01oiaohmIts not FUD as such pawel_pfkOct 30 11:02pawel_pfkthey use it just to advertise Solaris 10 and to attack Linux, that’s allOct 30 11:02oiaohmThey are purely depending on idiot people to run it into FUD.Oct 30 11:02pawel_pfkother things don’t matterOct 30 11:02pawel_pfknope, it’s a fudOct 30 11:02pawel_pfkbut you proved you have problems to understand some pointsOct 30 11:03pawel_pfkso we don’t have anythin more to talk about Oct 30 11:03oiaohmA pure fud attack attempts to look true document.Oct 30 11:03oiaohmSUN ones don’t.Oct 30 11:03pawel_pfkif this article will be finished or more popular think of writing about itOct 30 11:04pawel_pfkhave a nice day, Bye Oct 30 11:04*pawel_pfk (n=quassel@82.177.199.102) has left #boycottnovell (“http://quassel-irc.org – Chat comfortably. Anywhere.”)Oct 30 11:04phIRCe-localTitle: Blogs | Quassel IRC .::. Size~: 26.91 KBOct 30 11:04oiaohmThey have there own veration of it.Oct 30 11:04oiaohmCopyright 2005-2009, Dr. Nikolai Bezroukov. This is a copyrighted unpublished work. All rights reserved. /2009/10/30/sun-and-sirsidynix-fud/ Permalink

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