[2025-12-12T00:38:48Z] k1ss.org was the original website [2025-12-12T00:39:20Z] looks like someone put something on there now [2025-12-12T00:39:34Z] looks like ai trite [2025-12-12T00:40:03Z] I put up a mirror of the website from ~2021, Https://kiss.bvnf.space [2025-12-12T04:13:56Z] how's it possible that we're now at TWO slopified bad mirrors of the website [2025-12-12T04:14:06Z] do they even know the audience ffs xD [2025-12-12T04:18:20Z] lmao they rewrote the main page and none of the others [2025-12-12T04:19:03Z] oh man kiss is turning seven soon [2025-12-12T04:19:32Z] phoebos: how are we going to mark kiss' tenth anniversary [2025-12-12T05:02:48Z] midfavila!!! dery!!!!!!! [2025-12-12T06:05:46Z] kris_!!!!!!!!!!! [2025-12-12T06:06:04Z] whats up [2025-12-12T06:06:17Z] not much really lol [2025-12-12T06:06:24Z] paused uni for a year [2025-12-12T06:06:38Z] didn't want to waste the moneyz as I'm 100% sure that I won't study this year [2025-12-12T06:06:43Z] what are you going to do in the meantime? [2025-12-12T06:06:47Z] too many unknowns [2025-12-12T06:06:50Z] uhhh [2025-12-12T06:06:53Z] look into a job [2025-12-12T06:07:27Z] short contract maybe, just testing the waters [2025-12-12T06:07:47Z] also because I need to find _whatever_ that needs my weird knowledge [2025-12-12T06:08:04Z] not even just wayland, I don't think there's much demand for freedesktop developers [2025-12-12T06:08:46Z] like I'm fine with the new stack, flatpak, pipewire, wayland, whatever. I just really like integrating stuff into the OS, I guess [2025-12-12T06:09:53Z] I've made a list of stuff I know for a CV, but I've yet to make it fancy [2025-12-12T06:11:07Z] i wish you luck, ive not had luck with tech jobs here [2025-12-12T06:11:27Z] ty [2025-12-12T06:12:17Z] and yeah thats valid [2025-12-12T06:12:24Z] if there are a lot of unknowns that makes uni very difficult [2025-12-12T06:41:10Z] good luck getting anything in tech rn unless you know someone [2025-12-12T06:56:24Z] おはよう! [2025-12-12T07:14:03Z] nani [2025-12-12T07:43:49Z] morning mid [2025-12-12T09:32:11Z] hiiii [2025-12-12T09:33:12Z] midfavila: I'm spreading the word lol, I hope that my previous work makes me tasty enough [2025-12-12T09:33:38Z] the niche of "freedesktop" development might become a strength, if I'm lucky [2025-12-12T09:33:51Z] although tbf I'm open to anything at this point lol [2025-12-12T16:17:57Z] dery: do you have 5 years of experience in a professional environment and at minimum a bachelor's degree, preferably master's? [2025-12-12T16:18:22Z] also gm kisslinux [2025-12-12T16:18:28Z] it's -46C today [2025-12-12T16:44:27Z] i love it when my alarm just straight up doesn't go off [2025-12-12T16:44:32Z] either that or im turning it off in my sleep, im not really sure [2025-12-12T16:44:38Z] making my ass late to appointments [2025-12-12T18:26:02Z] heeey guyss!!!! [2025-12-12T18:26:06Z] :b [2025-12-12T18:31:47Z] hi eli [2025-12-12T18:46:57Z] kris_: what's your take on melee [2025-12-12T18:47:00Z] are you a melee guy [2025-12-12T18:47:13Z] i knife people on call of duty on a regular basis [2025-12-12T18:47:20Z] i meant the game [2025-12-12T18:47:25Z] never heard of it [2025-12-12T18:47:29Z] wtf yes you have [2025-12-12T18:47:32Z] smash bros melee [2025-12-12T18:47:37Z] ffs so say that [2025-12-12T18:47:42Z] i can kick some ass as peach [2025-12-12T18:47:57Z] if i ask people about 'melee' they know what i'm talking about if they play bingbongs [2025-12-12T18:48:01Z] jfc [2025-12-12T18:48:12Z] i'm watching a set between zain and magi rn [2025-12-12T18:48:16Z] roy v falco [2025-12-12T18:48:19Z] crazy shit [2025-12-12T18:49:22Z] i feel like roy might actually have a pretty good matchup against falco since falco kills off the top and can't recover well from the sides, while roy kills off the sides and can be hard to launch since he's a higher gravity character [2025-12-12T18:49:37Z] plus ofc he has marth's grab bc clone [2025-12-12T18:51:21Z] midfavila: I have a few years of experience as an open source maintainer, so my cv isn't _that_ empty :P [2025-12-12T18:51:47Z] sorry it wasn't paid so we cant consider it [2025-12-12T18:51:59Z] but we welcome your interest in the position and will retain your CV for future relevant positions [2025-12-12T18:52:04Z] lmao [2025-12-12T18:52:09Z] * midfavila feeds dery's CV into chatgpt training data [2025-12-12T18:52:32Z] that's how it is, not even joking [2025-12-12T18:52:36Z] I believe you [2025-12-12T18:52:43Z] prompt injection [2025-12-12T18:52:44Z] im serious [2025-12-12T18:53:08Z] that or you'll get some bullshit question like 'if you have an unsorted array and need to find an element within it what approach would you take' [2025-12-12T18:53:16Z] my optimistic side hopes that the specific market I'd be most useful into doesn't do that stupid stuff [2025-12-12T18:53:22Z] and then you'll answer correctly and they'll still tell you to fuck off [2025-12-12T18:53:29Z] but I'm fully expecting to waste like 6 months chasing jobs [2025-12-12T18:53:29Z] midfavila: that's a funny question [2025-12-12T18:53:34Z] what language [2025-12-12T18:53:36Z] I should really start though [2025-12-12T18:53:39Z] doesn't matter kris_ [2025-12-12T18:53:45Z] fuck you mean it doesnt matter [2025-12-12T18:53:47Z] it objectively does [2025-12-12T18:53:51Z] (i get your point) [2025-12-12T18:54:00Z] genuinely curious about the answer though [2025-12-12T18:54:03Z] isn't it like... iterate? [2025-12-12T18:54:08Z] i mean unless you can pull off a gravity sort a linear search is always faster than a sort plus search [2025-12-12T18:54:25Z] but even then, practically speaking [2025-12-12T18:54:36Z] gravity sort is O(1) but it's not possible with conventional hardware [2025-12-12T18:54:36Z] i mean id just for loop it and wait for the iter variable to hit what im looking for [2025-12-12T18:54:39Z] unless the thing is a bottleneck (99% it isn't) who cares lol [2025-12-12T18:54:46Z] kris_: that's just a linear search [2025-12-12T18:54:49Z] mhm [2025-12-12T18:54:51Z] yea [2025-12-12T18:54:55Z] dery: do not EVER give that answer in a job interview [2025-12-12T18:54:58Z] lmao ik nw [2025-12-12T18:55:02Z] you're *RIGHT*, but do not ever say that [2025-12-12T18:55:14Z] yeye no worries I'm not _that_ naïve :P [2025-12-12T18:55:25Z] can you tell I learned keyboard composition [2025-12-12T18:55:27Z] honestly if any interviewer looks at anything ive written they're going to vomit [2025-12-12T18:55:34Z] other shell users find my stuff unreadable for some reason [2025-12-12T18:55:48Z] i don't even know how people irl would react to stuff i've written [2025-12-12T18:55:50Z] in all fairness [2025-12-12T18:55:51Z] https://github.com/kkrruumm/bshdb/blob/main/bshdb [2025-12-12T18:56:00Z] im waiting for someone to look at this and DM me like "what the fuck is wrong with you" [2025-12-12T18:56:08Z] i do know people hate how i format my C code [2025-12-12T18:56:13Z] but also idfc [2025-12-12T18:56:20Z] this isnt unreadable because shell but because sed [2025-12-12T18:56:27Z] silly database library i made in shell [2025-12-12T18:56:34Z] oh yea kris_ I can tell why they say that. I don't find it unreadable, but the style is... unconventional, I'd say [2025-12-12T18:56:42Z] this isn't my typical style [2025-12-12T18:56:55Z] https://github.com/kkrruumm/buki/blob/main/buki [2025-12-12T18:56:56Z] this is [2025-12-12T18:56:58Z] whitesmith indentation with no macros and constants on the left in comparisons is best [2025-12-12T18:57:19Z] omg are you using spaces to indent [2025-12-12T18:57:25Z] fuck tab characters [2025-12-12T18:57:25Z] yes [2025-12-12T18:57:26Z] cope [2025-12-12T18:57:28Z] like actually fuck tab characters [2025-12-12T18:57:29Z] I can accept anything but I _refuse_ that [2025-12-12T18:57:33Z] don't care [2025-12-12T18:57:44Z] if someone submits me code with tab characters they either fix it or it never gets merged [2025-12-12T18:57:46Z] im not doing it myself [2025-12-12T18:58:17Z] i get shell kinda being unreadable sometimes [2025-12-12T18:58:19Z] uh your typical style looks fine [2025-12-12T18:58:20Z] a ton of dylans code is illegible to me [2025-12-12T18:58:27Z] dery: kris'? [2025-12-12T18:58:30Z] dery: a lot of people have issues with it for whatever reason [2025-12-12T18:58:35Z] midfavila: yes [2025-12-12T18:58:47Z] kris_: it's not iDiOmAtIc [2025-12-12T18:58:51Z] you need more design patterns [2025-12-12T18:58:53Z] one thing i get made fun of for is never using if unless there's an else [2025-12-12T18:59:01Z] or if its a huge block of shit [2025-12-12T18:59:17Z] I don't know how most people write code, but from what I can tell, with my real psychic powers, most people have no idea how much cool stuff is there in posix shell grammar [2025-12-12T18:59:19Z] i mean i prefer to stay away from if as well [2025-12-12T18:59:27Z] and how _actually_ idiomatic posix shell looks like [2025-12-12T18:59:36Z] idek what idiomatic means honestly [2025-12-12T18:59:38Z] evaluation ops are more compact and more than two branches is fine with case [2025-12-12T18:59:45Z] kris_: uhhhhh [2025-12-12T19:00:04Z] dunno the exact def, but like, "properly" done in that language. Like, natural [2025-12-12T19:00:17Z] thats dumb as fuck [2025-12-12T19:00:24Z] "properly" means different things to different people [2025-12-12T19:00:30Z] I suck at explaining it [2025-12-12T19:00:33Z] it's just a way to say that it's industry standard afaik [2025-12-12T19:00:34Z] but like, it's a real thing [2025-12-12T19:01:00Z] like, in python or C, there are ways to do thing that the language "encourages" [2025-12-12T19:01:02Z] again I dunno the def [2025-12-12T19:01:09Z] I'm definitely missing the point here xD [2025-12-12T19:01:14Z] honestly i dont think ive ever used a worse language than python [2025-12-12T19:01:21Z] yeah i'm not a fan of python either [2025-12-12T19:01:23Z] regardless of it being slow and often times not having a point [2025-12-12T19:01:26Z] the stdlib fucking sucks [2025-12-12T19:01:27Z] its so bad [2025-12-12T19:01:33Z] "just one more wrapper library guys" [2025-12-12T19:01:33Z] i should get back into fiddling with scheme 9 [2025-12-12T19:01:34Z] but like in natural languages an idiomatic saying is something that people actually say, so there's some cultural aspect to it, perhaps? [2025-12-12T19:01:37Z] I'll stop talking at random [2025-12-12T19:01:40Z] s9fes is really nice [2025-12-12T19:01:45Z] there's like 5 ways to handle zip files baked into the stdlib until you realize they're all wrappers around the same fucking thing [2025-12-12T19:01:50Z] with no clear answer as to what you should be using [2025-12-12T19:02:08Z] i just won't use python [2025-12-12T19:02:09Z] im probably just spoiled by go having a stdlib that isnt shit [2025-12-12T19:02:12Z] i don't see what problem it solves [2025-12-12T19:02:33Z] you know what, I like python [2025-12-12T19:02:43Z] i wrote a python script a bit ago just because i had to [2025-12-12T19:02:50Z] a lot of the time it seems like higher level or more modern scripting languages are just ways to paper over not taking the time to learn fundamentals properly [2025-12-12T19:02:52Z] needs to work without a hitch on all OS' including windows [2025-12-12T19:03:02Z] lu [2025-12-12T19:03:03Z] a [2025-12-12T19:03:05Z] it's a good middle ground between shell scripts and "actual" compiled programs in my book [2025-12-12T19:03:08Z] could have used a compiled language but then we're running binaries for like everything on earth [2025-12-12T19:03:12Z] and yeah maybe lua would have been good [2025-12-12T19:03:12Z] lua [2025-12-12T19:03:13Z] like, scripts are cool and all but are pretty much inherently brittle [2025-12-12T19:03:15Z] but its a simple script and already done [2025-12-12T19:03:18Z] dery: lua [2025-12-12T19:03:22Z] https://github.com/iw4x/shrink [2025-12-12T19:03:26Z] i don't like lua0s syntax [2025-12-12T19:03:28Z] 81loc [2025-12-12T19:03:29Z] lua's* [2025-12-12T19:03:33Z] lua is fine [2025-12-12T19:03:40Z] yes absolutely [2025-12-12T19:03:45Z] it's unfortunately a C-like language but in that field it's fine [2025-12-12T19:03:46Z] lua is based mind you [2025-12-12T19:03:59Z] just.... python has its space [2025-12-12T19:03:59Z] year of the scheme desktop when [2025-12-12T19:04:00Z] i need to learn lua [2025-12-12T19:04:12Z] ive never used it other than to configure vis [2025-12-12T19:04:15Z] and it's comfy enough when done right [2025-12-12T19:04:28Z] i've done a little bit of lua fiddling w/ embedded stuff and games [2025-12-12T19:04:28Z] speaking of vis, i'm seeing a ton of bugs now that im daily driving it so sewn may have been onto something [2025-12-12T19:04:36Z] midfavila: i swear to god dont tell me to use ed [2025-12-12T19:04:41Z] use se [2025-12-12T19:04:41Z] i know you're thinking it [2025-12-12T19:04:53Z] https://www.se-editor.org/screenshots.html [2025-12-12T19:05:01Z] especially modern python, that's really comfy when done right [2025-12-12T19:05:08Z] im probably just going to use vim [2025-12-12T19:05:11Z] use se [2025-12-12T19:05:12Z] look at it [2025-12-12T19:05:14Z] it's perfect [2025-12-12T19:05:39Z] it's ed with line editing and a basic UI [2025-12-12T19:05:42Z] pure [2025-12-12T19:05:43Z] simple [2025-12-12T19:05:46Z] lightweight [2025-12-12T19:05:50Z] there's no syntax highlighting so its an immediate no for me [2025-12-12T19:05:52Z] uncorrupted by modern decadence [2025-12-12T19:05:57Z] why tf do you need syntax highlighting [2025-12-12T19:06:01Z] dyslexia [2025-12-12T19:06:07Z] oh okay [2025-12-12T19:06:09Z] you get a pass [2025-12-12T19:06:18Z] that's fair [2025-12-12T19:06:48Z] you would probably hate sam [2025-12-12T19:06:50Z] without it everything kinda just looks like a huge blob [2025-12-12T19:07:11Z] it bothers me with my irc client as well but it is what it is [2025-12-12T19:07:20Z] anyway yes id hate anything from plan9 probably [2025-12-12T19:07:27Z] what client do you use again [2025-12-12T19:07:30Z] senpai [2025-12-12T19:07:41Z] is it because of tls support or [2025-12-12T19:07:47Z] its because it integrates with soju well [2025-12-12T19:07:50Z] previously i used weechat [2025-12-12T19:07:54Z] when i was a znc user [2025-12-12T19:07:57Z] what's soju? [2025-12-12T19:08:01Z] the bouncer i use [2025-12-12T19:08:03Z] oh [2025-12-12T19:08:10Z] i use goguma on mobile [2025-12-12T19:08:21Z] why not look at using ii(1) with a small wrapper to highlight and format messages the way you would like? [2025-12-12T19:08:30Z] because its not a huge problem [2025-12-12T19:08:36Z] hasnt been so far anyway [2025-12-12T19:08:37Z] * midfavila shrugs [2025-12-12T19:08:44Z] i have a history of misreading a sentence literally entirely and then getting pissed off because someone insulted me [2025-12-12T19:08:47Z] when they didn't at all [2025-12-12T19:09:16Z] just had to train myself to reread [2025-12-12T19:09:42Z] ANYWAY yeah i need to learn lua, i found love2d the other day and its something id actually *want* to make a game with [2025-12-12T19:09:49Z] i didnt vibe with godot [2025-12-12T19:10:03Z] i feel like big massive game engines just get in my way and ive already learned 3 of them so im sick of it [2025-12-12T19:10:09Z] there's too much shit i need to understand in order to start writing code [2025-12-12T19:10:12Z] with love2d i just start typing [2025-12-12T19:10:21Z] ye [2025-12-12T19:10:24Z] love is comfy [2025-12-12T19:11:28Z] i just have super limited time these days sadly [2025-12-12T19:11:33Z] and over my winter break i have to learn C++ [2025-12-12T19:11:38Z] yeah that's why i haven't been doing anything with kiss for ages [2025-12-12T19:11:40Z] or tech in general [2025-12-12T19:11:43Z] one of the other iw4x devs is handling the actual client DLL all by himself and is complaining [2025-12-12T19:11:50Z] complaining in that case is 100% fair [2025-12-12T19:11:56Z] he's doing all of the reverse engineering AND writing the actual thing [2025-12-12T19:12:18Z] you should see if springer has any books on c++ [2025-12-12T19:12:27Z] springer is a great publisher [2025-12-12T19:12:29Z] that isnt usually how i learn languages [2025-12-12T19:12:35Z] i just start writing things with them and it clicks eventually [2025-12-12T19:12:52Z] oh [2025-12-12T19:12:54Z] fair ig [2025-12-12T19:12:54Z] like ill probably be basic and write an assault cube cheat or something in cpp to get a sense for it [2025-12-12T19:13:01Z] i just braindump textbooks [2025-12-12T19:13:03Z] given that is exactly related to what we're doing [2025-12-12T19:13:06Z] given iw4x is a cod mw2 client mod [2025-12-12T19:13:16Z] like i'll sit down and just read a textbook like a novel [2025-12-12T19:13:34Z] god i miss my oboks [2025-12-12T19:13:38Z] books [2025-12-12T19:13:42Z] i need to find an ebook reader that isnt dookie [2025-12-12T19:13:45Z] OH [2025-12-12T19:13:47Z] SPEAKING OF [2025-12-12T19:13:53Z] my philosophy professor showed me some native android one that looked really good but i didnt ask for the name [2025-12-12T19:13:57Z] https://www.crowdsupply.com/diptyx/diptyx-e-reader [2025-12-12T19:14:02Z] im gonna miss that class man [2025-12-12T19:14:11Z] call me a nerd if you want but that class was actually incredible [2025-12-12T19:14:11Z] this just launched yesterday night [2025-12-12T19:14:18Z] also im not doing computer science anymore ngl [2025-12-12T19:14:20Z] i switched over to IT [2025-12-12T19:14:22Z] i mean no classes are just good sometimes [2025-12-12T19:14:27Z] more applicable to what i want to do and comp sci is way too oversaturated anyway [2025-12-12T19:14:28Z] oh IT is just as fucked as CS [2025-12-12T19:14:30Z] lmao [2025-12-12T19:14:39Z] probably but it's closer to what im after [2025-12-12T19:14:41Z] and most higher level IT positions still demand a bach [2025-12-12T19:14:46Z] yeah im doing bach [2025-12-12T19:14:49Z] no no [2025-12-12T19:14:50Z] in CS [2025-12-12T19:14:57Z] interesting [2025-12-12T19:15:01Z] w/e, it is what it is [2025-12-12T19:15:10Z] i got a bunch of classes from my previous cybersecurity thing to transfer directly to IT here [2025-12-12T19:15:14Z] it saves a ton of money [2025-12-12T19:15:22Z] and im in uni for the social aspect of it [2025-12-12T19:15:26Z] right. [2025-12-12T19:15:37Z] so cybersec career studies thing + IT bachelors + my pile of certs + my active github [2025-12-12T19:15:42Z] im trying to generalize [2025-12-12T19:15:48Z] with the end goal of network engineering or systems admin [2025-12-12T19:15:55Z] need CS for both. [2025-12-12T19:15:57Z] gonna get a bunch of network certs shortly [2025-12-12T19:16:03Z] source: i've been working on this shit for the past few years [2025-12-12T19:16:42Z] honestly the only job interviews ive gotten and companies that have taken me seriously were ones for which i didnt meet their qualifications [2025-12-12T19:17:09Z] would Gtx 1050 support be hard to configure in a kernel? I've never configured a kernel for nvidia before [2025-12-12T19:17:13Z] one of my irls did a bachelors in cybersecurity and got hired as a network engineer immediately [2025-12-12T19:17:23Z] maybe you'll have a different experience than i, but at least here if you don't have most of their shit you won't even get called [2025-12-12T19:17:32Z] yeah i'm hoping to specialise in compsec when i go back to uni [2025-12-12T19:17:35Z] it's what i went to college for [2025-12-12T19:17:40Z] well honestly my theory is that since i have a bit of literally everything i can generalize well [2025-12-12T19:17:44Z] and im going to get job experience via my uni as well [2025-12-12T19:17:51Z] we have an internal job board that isn't exposed to the public [2025-12-12T19:18:00Z] so im competing against maybe 20 people as opposed to a few thousand [2025-12-12T19:18:11Z] i have access to this for the rest of my life [2025-12-12T19:18:28Z] lucky you. [2025-12-12T19:18:32Z] yeah anyway [2025-12-12T19:18:41Z] elisoli: im not sure? just see what's toggled elsewhere [2025-12-12T19:18:49Z] usually if im doing a kernel build i just rip alpines config [2025-12-12T19:18:52Z] or voids [2025-12-12T19:19:05Z] doing a truly custom kernel drives me insane [2025-12-12T19:19:24Z] it's not that hard, it just takes an hour or two. [2025-12-12T19:19:37Z] like start with something that you know for a fact will work and then go back and disable things as opposed to enabling things is more my approach [2025-12-12T19:26:18Z] vis is like very bad at searching [2025-12-12T19:42:30Z] god the web fucking SUCKS [2025-12-12T19:42:44Z] can't even use a decent search engine without JS now aside from duckduckgo [2025-12-12T20:00:44Z] you dont like searxng?