[2025-12-09T00:23:42Z] <midfavila> go away deltarune
[2025-12-09T00:32:47Z] <kris_> midfavila: middle
[2025-12-09T01:57:56Z] <midfavila> kris_: you seem like the sort of person to crawl aliexpress looking for deals
[2025-12-09T01:58:01Z] <midfavila> gimme some good stuff to buy
[2025-12-09T01:58:32Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: i bet you use ali all the time, you too
[2025-12-09T02:03:42Z] <kris_> i dont think ive ever used aliexpress
[2025-12-09T02:04:36Z] <midfavila> i'm ordering an openwrt one off it since that's one of their official distribution channels
[2025-12-09T02:04:45Z] <midfavila> gonna add a mikrobus lte modem to it 
[2025-12-09T02:05:59Z] <kris_> i dont care much for the openwrt one
[2025-12-09T02:06:02Z] <midfavila> maybe i should order a crappy phone to use when/if i travel to amerikkka so i don't get guantanamo'd
[2025-12-09T02:08:11Z] <midfavila> and i mean i don't mind supporting openwrt
[2025-12-09T02:08:16Z] <midfavila> plus it's fosh which is nice
[2025-12-09T02:08:26Z] <midfavila> and the mikrobus slot is *really* nice
[2025-12-09T02:08:50Z] <midfavila> means i can just slap my data SIM into it and hook it up to a switch and get all my stuff running off it
[2025-12-09T02:11:20Z] <kris_> yeah the sim thing is cool
[2025-12-09T02:11:38Z] <kris_> idk i still need to make my own router distro at some point when i get enough free time so i'll have something to use that doesn't suck
[2025-12-09T02:11:46Z] <kris_> i dont *hate* openwrt but its not great
[2025-12-09T02:12:06Z] <midfavila> at some point i'll probably do the same
[2025-12-09T02:12:10Z] <midfavila> but openwrt works
[2025-12-09T02:12:11Z] <midfavila> it's fine
[2025-12-09T02:12:18Z] <kris_> it's fine until it needs to be updated lol
[2025-12-09T02:12:20Z] <kris_> at which point you have two choices
[2025-12-09T02:12:43Z] <kris_> ship your config off to one of their build servers to build a new image including all of your non-base packages, if you're using wireguard iirc this even includes your wireguard private/public keypair
[2025-12-09T02:12:51Z] <kris_> or just reinstall fresh and set it all up again manually
[2025-12-09T02:12:56Z] <kris_> or i guess host your own build server
[2025-12-09T02:13:16Z] <midfavila> secret option number three:
[2025-12-09T02:13:18Z] <midfavila> don't upgrade
[2025-12-09T02:13:25Z] <kris_> i only upgrade when there are security fixes
[2025-12-09T02:13:51Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-12-09T02:15:20Z] <kris_> one of my discord friends and i have been discussing making a router distro for a while but i doubt itll ever happen
[2025-12-09T02:15:54Z] <kris_> midfavila: there is another option to this though that ive been considering
[2025-12-09T02:16:03Z] <kris_> basically, i put void on my router box and then set up two openwrt virtual machines
[2025-12-09T02:16:08Z] <kris_> so i can take one down for updates and the other one takes its place
[2025-12-09T02:16:12Z] <kris_> and then pivots back and i update the spare
[2025-12-09T02:22:31Z] <midfavila> k just bought the openwrt one
[2025-12-09T02:22:37Z] <midfavila> and a switch
[2025-12-09T02:22:44Z] <midfavila> exciting times ahead
[2025-12-09T02:22:45Z] <kris_> get a real switch please
[2025-12-09T02:22:52Z] <kris_> its like 30 usd for a managed netgear gigabit switch
[2025-12-09T02:23:48Z] <midfavila> the shitty little 4 port ones are fine
[2025-12-09T02:24:00Z] <kris_> until you want vlan support ig
[2025-12-09T02:24:05Z] <midfavila> i don't
[2025-12-09T02:24:05Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-12-09T02:24:11Z] <midfavila> i want ports and nothing more
[2025-12-09T02:24:18Z] <kris_> fair enough then ig
[2025-12-09T02:24:50Z] <kris_> i kinda need vlans
[2025-12-09T02:24:59Z] <kris_> my switch is also how i limit my familys bandwidth (yes im an asshole)
[2025-12-09T02:25:18Z] <kris_> i dont like things choking temporarily when they load up their 4k whatever on netflix and rip an entire gigabit of download doing that
[2025-12-09T02:25:19Z] <kris_> somehow
[2025-12-09T02:59:40Z] <esotericwarfare> thats good
[2025-12-09T03:08:31Z] <midfavila> does anyone here have mikrobus experience?
[2025-12-09T03:08:59Z] <midfavila> long shot, i know, but this is a really specific situation and i don't want to end up wasting like a hundred and fifty bucks because i'm a brainlet
[2025-12-09T03:39:12Z] <kris_> midfavila: i bet you can ask in the openwrt irc channel on oftc
[2025-12-09T03:41:27Z] <midfavila> i asked here a few times and nobody has said shit
[2025-12-09T03:41:33Z] <midfavila> in the openwrt channel i mean
[2025-12-09T03:41:56Z] <midfavila> ig i can check oftc tho
[2025-12-09T03:49:36Z] <midfavila> there
[2025-12-09T03:50:26Z] <midfavila> now we wait
[2025-12-09T04:09:21Z] <kris_> oftc is the only activ eone
[2025-12-09T04:12:01Z] <midfavila> both of them are dead as shit
[2025-12-09T04:12:02Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-12-09T04:12:22Z] <midfavila> looking at things, i would have to fuck around with a device tree at the very least
[2025-12-09T04:13:21Z] <kris_> i wish you luck
[2025-12-09T04:13:31Z] <kris_> mid do you use lotion
[2025-12-09T04:13:37Z] <midfavila> what?
[2025-12-09T04:13:38Z] <kris_> i'm in an argument with a few friends who say im insane for hating lotion
[2025-12-09T04:13:45Z] <midfavila> you mean like
[2025-12-09T04:13:50Z] <midfavila> skin lotion? for my face or whatever?
[2025-12-09T04:13:54Z] <kris_> yeah
[2025-12-09T04:14:00Z] <midfavila> it's stupid and a waste of money
[2025-12-09T04:14:07Z] <kris_> you are so incredibly based
[2025-12-09T04:14:11Z] <midfavila> why the fuck would you ask me if i use lotion
[2025-12-09T04:14:18Z] <midfavila> do you *think* i'm the sort of person to use cosmetics
[2025-12-09T04:14:24Z] <midfavila> >.>
[2025-12-09T04:14:29Z] <kris_> because i knew you'd have a take on it
[2025-12-09T04:14:30Z] <kris_> dummy
[2025-12-09T04:14:44Z] <midfavila> mnmnhnnmhnmnhnm
[2025-12-09T04:15:33Z] <midfavila> tell your friends that they should give me the money they spend on lotion
[2025-12-09T04:15:50Z] <midfavila> they clearly have too much
[2025-12-09T04:16:57Z] <kris_> he said your skin is mid
[2025-12-09T04:17:12Z] <kris_> (dont take it too seriously we're fucking around)
[2025-12-09T04:18:40Z] <kris_> i 100% agree with you though lotion is goofy
[2025-12-09T04:18:44Z] <kris_> i dont get the point and it feels weird as fuck
[2025-12-09T04:19:06Z] <midfavila> just washyour face 
[2025-12-09T04:19:18Z] <midfavila> done
[2025-12-09T04:19:20Z] <kris_> for whatever reason i know a ton of people who apply it body wide
[2025-12-09T04:19:21Z] <kris_> like daily
[2025-12-09T04:19:28Z] <midfavila> that's weird
[2025-12-09T04:22:18Z] <kris_> alright mid here's the situation
[2025-12-09T04:22:25Z] <kris_> i have a few different teas in the cupboard that my stepmom found
[2025-12-09T04:22:43Z] <kris_> two of them just say "herbal tea" and are either raspberry or peppermint and the other one is the one ive *been* drinking which is just decaf "irish breahfast tea"
[2025-12-09T04:22:52Z] <kris_> trying to decide which one to consume tonight
[2025-12-09T04:25:16Z] <midfavila> peppermint
[2025-12-09T04:25:20Z] <midfavila> because holiday season
[2025-12-09T04:25:23Z] <midfavila> next question
[2025-12-09T04:25:31Z] <kris_> if i make this stuff and it sucks im gonna be sad
[2025-12-09T04:25:52Z] <midfavila> deltarune why is everything expensive
[2025-12-09T04:25:54Z] <midfavila> fix it
[2025-12-09T04:26:00Z] <midfavila> make the economy better
[2025-12-09T04:27:00Z] <kris_> vote for me
[2025-12-09T04:49:29Z] <kris_> midfavila: you will refer to me as cripstopher 
[2025-12-09T04:49:34Z] <kris_> not delrarune
[2025-12-09T04:55:39Z] <midfavila> okay deltarune
[2025-12-09T05:07:17Z] <midfavila> liquid kris_
[2025-12-09T05:08:42Z] <kris_> why am i a liquid midfavila 
[2025-12-09T05:09:32Z] <midfavila> do you not know your christory
[2025-12-09T05:09:39Z] <midfavila> i'm disappointed in you
[2025-12-09T05:10:16Z] <kris_> well i'm not chris i'm kris
[2025-12-09T05:10:22Z] <kris_> but kripstopher doesnt look as good
[2025-12-09T05:10:27Z] <midfavila> kris-chan
[2025-12-09T05:10:29Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-12-09T05:10:37Z] <kris_> isnt that a literal pedo
[2025-12-09T05:10:42Z] <midfavila> weh?
[2025-12-09T05:10:43Z] <midfavila> no
[2025-12-09T05:10:51Z] <midfavila> i mean he's insane tho
[2025-12-09T05:11:42Z] <midfavila> you know what we're going to drop this line of conversation lmao
[2025-12-09T06:27:15Z] <midfavila> dery isn't here noooooooooooooooooooooooo
[2025-12-09T06:27:24Z] <midfavila> i was going to tell them about the pasta i made tonight
[2025-12-09T06:42:10Z] <kris_> i wish dery was here regularly
[2025-12-09T06:42:15Z] <kris_> also where the HECK is eva
[2025-12-09T07:26:20Z] <midfavila> dunno but she's gonna miss out on me buying my first RUG
[2025-12-09T07:26:26Z] <midfavila> EVERYONE loves rugs
[2025-12-09T07:26:29Z] <midfavila> isn't that right phoebos 
[2025-12-09T17:15:00Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: i dont belive ive ever used aliexpress before actually.
[2025-12-09T20:09:47Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: lies you totally use ali express
[2025-12-09T20:09:52Z] <midfavila> i bet it's where you buy all your kitchen knives
[2025-12-09T20:10:24Z] <midfavila> #kisslinux i have a question for you. should i build a little gaming machine or a workstation 
[2025-12-09T20:10:27Z] <midfavila> first
[2025-12-09T21:00:26Z] <kris_> midfavila: why not both
[2025-12-09T21:00:39Z] <kris_> like i game on the same machine i "work" on
[2025-12-09T21:57:07Z] <midfavila> because i need a shitload of memory and cores for work stuff and a shitload of single core performance and graphics for games 
[2025-12-09T21:57:14Z] <midfavila> plus what if i wanna go to a friend's place
[2025-12-09T21:57:31Z] <midfavila> it's nice to have a tiny lil' guy i can just grab and go with
[2025-12-09T21:57:41Z] <midfavila> also i've decided-
[2025-12-09T21:58:13Z] <midfavila> i'm gonna get just a few parts for the gaming machine that are on deep discount rn and put them in my existing machine as a stopgap and build the workstation
[2025-12-09T22:03:51Z] <kris_> my machine does both
[2025-12-09T22:04:02Z] <kris_> core ultra 7 265k, 20 real cores
[2025-12-09T22:04:10Z] <kris_> its slightly pricey though
[2025-12-09T22:04:19Z] <kris_> and obviously memory is crazy expensive at the moment
[2025-12-09T22:04:58Z] <elisoli> Hey people :p
[2025-12-09T22:05:12Z] <kris_> hey eli 
[2025-12-09T22:05:48Z] <midfavila> yeah see i'm fuckn poor
[2025-12-09T22:05:53Z] <midfavila> also the kcma d8 runs libreboot
[2025-12-09T22:06:05Z] <midfavila> well, relatively speaking anyway
[2025-12-09T22:06:19Z] <kris_> and you dont need a "shitload" of IPC for games
[2025-12-09T22:06:20Z] <elisoli> I've been having some issues with blackouts in my region, and sometimes my keyboard just disconnects and connects back again, and 'wayland is not recognizing it back' so I'm trying to fix it. I suspect of libudev-zero but i really dontknow how to proceed
[2025-12-09T22:06:25Z] <kris_> just something that isnt outright shit
[2025-12-09T22:06:36Z] <kris_> if youre an amd consoomer like ryzen 3000 or newer 
[2025-12-09T22:07:02Z] <kris_> used parts aplenty and iirc amd just released a new am4 16 core 32 thread cpu
[2025-12-09T22:07:11Z] <kris_> so old mobo with old ram and new CPU
[2025-12-09T22:07:40Z] <elisoli> someone help me :( im dump
[2025-12-09T22:08:06Z] * elisoli is dump
[2025-12-09T22:08:14Z] * elisoli is dumb
[2025-12-09T22:08:19Z] <elisoli> ;-;
[2025-12-09T23:28:54Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: yes, I would totally buy kitchen knives from ali express. what quality they must provide
[2025-12-09T23:29:28Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: regarding building a machine, which one do you want the most, or need the most?
[2025-12-09T23:29:52Z] <sad_plan> to some extent, you can do workstation needs on a gaming machine, but perhaps not so much the other way around?
[2025-12-09T23:31:30Z] <kris_> you can do both on one machine there's no need to purpose-build one
[2025-12-09T23:31:35Z] <kris_> if you're doing cad, you're going to need a decent gpu
[2025-12-09T23:31:44Z] <kris_> if you're compiling, you're going to need a "lot" of cores
[2025-12-09T23:31:55Z] <kris_> coincidentally you need a decent gpu for gaming and modern games use at minimum 8 cores
[2025-12-09T23:32:07Z] <kris_> 12 cores 24 threads and call it a day
[2025-12-09T23:32:08Z] <sad_plan> I was thinking more in terms of some workstation cpus which has a shitton of cores, like threadrippers, theyre less ideal for gaming
[2025-12-09T23:32:16Z] <kris_> yeah threadrippers are very low frequency
[2025-12-09T23:32:20Z] <kris_> but there's a happy middleground
[2025-12-09T23:32:41Z] <sad_plan> yes. sure you can game on them, but eh.. theres better options out there for cheaper iirc
[2025-12-09T23:33:37Z] <kris_> like you can get an old ryzen 9 5950x for pretty cheap, iirc that's the 16 core 32 thread one and it's high frequency as well for lower core loads
[2025-12-09T23:33:59Z] <kris_> my cpu is kind of amazing- 8 "performance" cores (gaming) plus 12 "efficiency cores" = 20 cores to compile with but 8 super fast cores for gaming
[2025-12-09T23:34:09Z] <kris_> these "efficiency cores" are unreasonably fast for what they are
[2025-12-09T23:34:23Z] <kris_> like 10th gen intel speeds but consume very little power
[2025-12-09T23:36:05Z] <sad_plan> I have a ryzen 5 7600, which only has 6 cores, and I have yet to run into any cpu bottlenecks in gaming atleast. it runs fine when compiling aswell. not that ive done too much compiling, due to me using cachyOS on this machine instead. yet to be bothered to run kiss/oasis here tbqh
[2025-12-09T23:36:22Z] <kris_> my stripped down linux kernel compiles in like 2 minutes
[2025-12-09T23:36:28Z] <sad_plan> damn
[2025-12-09T23:36:31Z] <sad_plan> thats fast
[2025-12-09T23:36:36Z] <kris_> if i build the big fat bloated one void ships with without making any changes its like 8 minutes
[2025-12-09T23:36:37Z] <kris_> iirc
[2025-12-09T23:36:47Z] <kris_> i know its not more than 9 minutes
[2025-12-09T23:37:24Z] <sad_plan> I dont recall how much time I used to build the kernel on this machine, but on my laptop, i think its somewhere in the ballpark of 15 minutes. slimmed down kernel that is
[2025-12-09T23:37:29Z] <sad_plan> runs a 3700 ryzen 7
[2025-12-09T23:38:01Z] <sad_plan> I havent timed it though, so it might be closer to 20 minutes lol
[2025-12-09T23:38:04Z] <kris_> yeah theres no real excuse for me to not be using kiss at this point given i can compile my entire setup in half an hour
[2025-12-09T23:38:08Z] <kris_> less, really
[2025-12-09T23:38:26Z] <kris_> like including mesa and whatnot
[2025-12-09T23:38:30Z] <sad_plan> then get going on kiss for all your stuff already
[2025-12-09T23:38:37Z] <kris_> packaging everything is a thorn in my side
[2025-12-09T23:38:51Z] <kris_> i wasnt able to get elogind functioning last i tried this
[2025-12-09T23:38:51Z] <sad_plan> mesa takes no time to build. gcc, kernel, firefox, rust and stuff takes forever
[2025-12-09T23:38:59Z] <kris_> rust takes no time for me
[2025-12-09T23:39:01Z] <sad_plan> nevermind elogind
[2025-12-09T23:39:04Z] <kris_> and firefox wont be compiled because i use flatpak
[2025-12-09T23:39:22Z] <sad_plan> you can skip firefox and just use conty aswell
[2025-12-09T23:39:29Z] <sad_plan> less depenencies than flatpak
[2025-12-09T23:40:36Z] <sad_plan> technically you can just use kiss for the core stuff, and gui, everything else could potentially be ran through conty
[2025-12-09T23:41:05Z] <sad_plan> could also use cachyOS's repos aswell for additional performance boost without messing around with building it
[2025-12-09T23:41:20Z] <kris_> the performance boost is imaginary
[2025-12-09T23:41:24Z] <sad_plan> could maaybe fetch llvm from cachyOS, then build lto kernel aswell :p
[2025-12-09T23:41:37Z] <sad_plan> not quite, its just not as big as people might belive
[2025-12-09T23:42:00Z] <sad_plan> its no more than 10-15% at max, depending on usage
[2025-12-09T23:42:52Z] <sad_plan> however, if its worth ones time if youre building everything yourself, then thats a whole other case