[2025-12-03T01:51:51Z] <kris_> midfavila: feel about what
[2025-12-03T01:52:01Z] <kris_> AI thomas jefferson telling me facts don't care about my feelings?
[2025-12-03T01:52:28Z] <kris_> i find it mildly amusing honestly i can create a fake source for things i quote
[2025-12-03T04:06:17Z] <midfavila> amerislop
[2025-12-03T04:06:25Z] <midfavila> straight from the freedom trough:tm:
[2025-12-03T05:06:38Z] <kris_> midfavila: i love troughs
[2025-12-03T05:06:57Z] <kris_> we had these plastic cattle troughs growing up and when there was snow outside we'd use a rope to tie one to the back of an ATV and someone would spin the ATV in circles and we'd sit in the trough and just get whipped around
[2025-12-03T07:13:00Z] <midfavila> >rope snaps
[2025-12-03T07:13:13Z] <midfavila> >e.t. theme plays
[2025-12-03T07:14:17Z] <kris_> lmao
[2025-12-03T07:33:13Z] <midfavila> freedom from gravity
[2025-12-03T07:33:31Z] <midfavila> i still can't get over the head-in-rails crisis america has
[2025-12-03T07:33:34Z] <midfavila> that's wacky as fuck
[2025-12-03T07:33:45Z] <midfavila> i don't think that's an issue anywhere else in the world
[2025-12-03T07:35:29Z] <kris_> actually we now have another american here
[2025-12-03T07:35:39Z] <kris_> chadbsd: have you seen media about children getting their head stuck in rails
[2025-12-03T07:35:44Z] <kris_> like with staircases and bunk beds and shit
[2025-12-03T07:36:00Z] <chadbsd> wtf
[2025-12-03T07:36:12Z] <chadbsd> i've seen it in movies
[2025-12-03T07:36:17Z] <kris_> ya
[2025-12-03T07:36:43Z] <chadbsd> never heard of it happening in person tho
[2025-12-03T07:39:17Z] <kris_> midfavila: we're just a country full of whimsy and cartoon-esque hijinks 
[2025-12-03T07:39:25Z] <kris_> unlike you damn canadians
[2025-12-03T07:41:54Z] <midfavila> yeah we don't need disclaimers reading 'does not enable the user to fly' on superman capes and shit
[2025-12-03T07:42:22Z] <midfavila> of course, they won't save you with the new public education curriculum coming in
[2025-12-03T07:42:51Z] <midfavila> also i feel like most people in here are yanks
[2025-12-03T07:43:03Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-12-03T07:43:14Z] <kris_> if i had a kid id probably homeschool them atp
[2025-12-03T07:43:23Z] <kris_> dont want them exposed to the trump special
[2025-12-03T07:43:35Z] <kris_> not until they're older and can actually think anyway
[2025-12-03T07:44:09Z] <midfavila> pranked we added lead back into the water supply 
[2025-12-03T07:44:17Z] <kris_> the sad part about that is like, the social interaction and doing dumb shit with your friends is the whole point of school imo
[2025-12-03T07:44:19Z] <midfavila> and took out all the lithium and fluoride
[2025-12-03T07:44:32Z] <kris_> oh god im gonna just be quiet on that one
[2025-12-03T07:44:33Z] <midfavila> didnt you know lithium is a heavy metal 
[2025-12-03T07:44:45Z] <kris_> i have no comments on lithium
[2025-12-03T07:44:47Z] <midfavila> and its like
[2025-12-03T07:44:50Z] <midfavila> in batteries
[2025-12-03T07:44:53Z] <midfavila> !?!?!?!?
[2025-12-03T07:44:57Z] <kris_> you're in a battery
[2025-12-03T07:45:14Z] <midfavila> dilyn all those car batteries you threw into the ocean are poisoning kris' brain
[2025-12-03T07:45:36Z] <kris_> i hadnt heard anything about lithium ngl
[2025-12-03T07:45:45Z] <kris_> or lead, elaborate on the lead im curious
[2025-12-03T07:45:47Z] <midfavila> if you don't have like
[2025-12-03T07:45:59Z] <midfavila> trace lithium in your body you go fucin insane or something apparently
[2025-12-03T07:46:12Z] <midfavila> just biology things
[2025-12-03T07:46:13Z] <kris_> yeah a few people in my family have to take it
[2025-12-03T07:46:17Z] <kris_> via pill
[2025-12-03T07:46:22Z] <midfavila> yea
[2025-12-03T07:46:33Z] <midfavila> the lead thing was a joke
[2025-12-03T07:46:34Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-12-03T07:46:45Z] <kris_> ah
[2025-12-03T07:46:53Z] <kris_> i never know because i dont look at news
[2025-12-03T07:47:04Z] <midfavila> but, you know, brainwom phd md did direct the cdc to officially change its stance on autism and vaccines
[2025-12-03T07:47:05Z] <kris_> i have a nytimes subscription paid for by my uni but i dont use it
[2025-12-03T07:47:18Z] <midfavila> brainworm*
[2025-12-03T07:47:28Z] <kris_> we get that because the polisci department at my uni says its too dangerous to have people reading the average news now
[2025-12-03T07:47:32Z] <kris_> mostly referring to fox
[2025-12-03T07:47:35Z] <midfavila> so now the CDC's official stance is that vaccines cause autism
[2025-12-03T07:47:35Z] <kris_> which like, i do agree
[2025-12-03T07:47:36Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-12-03T07:47:43Z] <kris_> fun
[2025-12-03T07:47:45Z] <midfavila> also yes
[2025-12-03T07:47:52Z] <midfavila> american newstertainment is an infohazard
[2025-12-03T07:47:58Z] <kris_> im going to go get a covid vax just to piss people off
[2025-12-03T07:48:01Z] <midfavila> please take it back
[2025-12-03T07:48:03Z] <kris_> im not covid vax'd
[2025-12-03T07:48:19Z] <midfavila> neither am i but that's because they want to charge me 200$ for that sucker
[2025-12-03T07:48:23Z] <midfavila> which, fuck off
[2025-12-03T07:48:29Z] <midfavila> you couldn't get me to pay for crutches
[2025-12-03T07:48:36Z] <kris_> i wasnt allowed to get one because my family said fox news said id shed the vaccine to *them* so they'd kick me out if i got it
[2025-12-03T07:48:43Z] <midfavila> i will quarantine myself. i refuse to pay for healthcare on fucking principle
[2025-12-03T07:48:58Z] <kris_> id just make you some crutches mid dw
[2025-12-03T07:49:07Z] <midfavila> i'll crawl
[2025-12-03T07:49:12Z] <midfavila> drag myself to my computer
[2025-12-03T07:49:16Z] <midfavila> to the fridge
[2025-12-03T07:49:19Z] <midfavila> back to the computer
[2025-12-03T07:49:21Z] <kris_> bro cmon if i make them for you they're free
[2025-12-03T07:49:22Z] <midfavila> back to bed
[2025-12-03T07:49:27Z] <midfavila> NO THEY ARE NOT
[2025-12-03T07:49:28Z] <kris_> i never have an excuse to use my tools
[2025-12-03T07:49:31Z] <midfavila> you have to buy the wood
[2025-12-03T07:49:40Z] <kris_> okay dummie ill pay for the wood
[2025-12-03T07:49:44Z] <midfavila> NO
[2025-12-03T07:49:49Z] <midfavila> you will not
[2025-12-03T07:49:57Z] <midfavila> this is a matter of PRINCIPLE kris
[2025-12-03T07:50:07Z] <midfavila> we do NOT pay for crutches
[2025-12-03T07:50:08Z] <kris_> then ill steal the wood
[2025-12-03T07:50:16Z] <midfavila> okay fine
[2025-12-03T07:50:18Z] <midfavila> fair enough
[2025-12-03T07:50:19Z] <kris_> ive stolen tons of 2x4s 
[2025-12-03T07:50:29Z] <midfavila> lmao this channel is logged you know
[2025-12-03T07:50:34Z] <kris_> im aware
[2025-12-03T07:50:38Z] <midfavila> ur gonna get gestapo'd
[2025-12-03T07:50:43Z] <midfavila> and deported to cecot
[2025-12-03T07:50:45Z] <kris_> im also aware of the statute of limitations 
[2025-12-03T07:50:52Z] <kris_> though that may mean nothing soon
[2025-12-03T07:50:54Z] <kris_> but we'll see
[2025-12-03T07:50:56Z] <midfavila> statute of 'are you a citizen'
[2025-12-03T07:51:14Z] <kris_> im more of a citizen than trump is
[2025-12-03T07:51:23Z] <midfavila> oh really
[2025-12-03T07:51:29Z] <midfavila> wheres ur birth certificate
[2025-12-03T07:51:30Z] <kris_> 3 generations up we're fullblooded native americans 
[2025-12-03T07:51:36Z] <kris_> its in my closet
[2025-12-03T07:51:41Z] <midfavila> even funnier actually
[2025-12-03T07:51:51Z] <midfavila> have you seen ICE detaining native americans
[2025-12-03T07:51:55Z] <kris_> yes lmao
[2025-12-03T07:51:59Z] <kris_> they think they're mexicans
[2025-12-03T07:52:01Z] <midfavila> "ARE YOU AMERICAN"
[2025-12-03T07:52:08Z] <midfavila> "SUSPICIOUS BROWN???"
[2025-12-03T07:52:13Z] <midfavila> fucking america
[2025-12-03T07:52:21Z] * midfavila inhales
[2025-12-03T07:52:23Z] <midfavila> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2025-12-03T07:52:23Z] <kris_> "chief thunderhorse lookin ass stop pretending to be native"
[2025-12-03T07:52:41Z] <midfavila> theres reports of ICE rejecting band IDs too
[2025-12-03T07:52:49Z] <kris_> god its 2am 
[2025-12-03T07:52:51Z] <kris_> aaa
[2025-12-03T07:52:54Z] <midfavila> fr
[2025-12-03T07:52:58Z] <kris_> if i have a biology lab tomorrow i swear
[2025-12-03T07:53:10Z] <midfavila> dissect a frog time
[2025-12-03T07:53:10Z] <kris_> everyone just leeches off of me
[2025-12-03T07:53:22Z] <kris_> i do the lab and my group just waits for me to write everything down
[2025-12-03T07:53:24Z] <kris_> so they can copy it
[2025-12-03T07:53:27Z] <kris_> every time
[2025-12-03T07:53:34Z] <kris_> i dont have the energy to turn that into an argument
[2025-12-03T07:53:50Z] <kris_> ALSO midfavila 
[2025-12-03T07:54:05Z] <midfavila> wha
[2025-12-03T07:54:06Z] <kris_> i hadnt gone to math lectures for 3-4 months because eat me
[2025-12-03T07:54:14Z] <midfavila> >.>
[2025-12-03T07:54:23Z] <kris_> i go in for an exam like 2 days ago and apparently we're allowed to have calculators now
[2025-12-03T07:54:31Z] <kris_> i didnt bring one so i didnt have one
[2025-12-03T07:54:45Z] <kris_> i finish the test before literally everyone else, hand it in, and leave
[2025-12-03T07:54:50Z] <kris_> i got a 90% on that LOL
[2025-12-03T07:54:56Z] <kris_> im just proud of myself 
[2025-12-03T07:55:04Z] <kris_> everyone else had calcs
[2025-12-03T07:55:34Z] <kris_> or rather not 2 days ago but a little more
[2025-12-03T07:55:45Z] <kris_> i think i told you when that happened actually
[2025-12-03T07:56:14Z] <midfavila> you did
[2025-12-03T07:56:19Z] <kris_> so ive come to the conclusion that having a calculator makes you worse and slower at math compared to not based on a sample size of ~30
[2025-12-03T07:56:21Z] <midfavila> we're all very proud of you kris
[2025-12-03T07:56:25Z] * midfavila headpats kris_ 
[2025-12-03T07:56:54Z] <kris_> im zoomies with the long division
[2025-12-03T07:57:05Z] <midfavila> i mean idk for simple repeated calculations calculators are defo slower
[2025-12-03T07:57:10Z] <midfavila> just because of the overhead of like
[2025-12-03T07:57:14Z] <midfavila> smacking the buttons
[2025-12-03T07:57:23Z] <midfavila> compared to just
[2025-12-03T07:57:26Z] <midfavila> >knowing the answer
[2025-12-03T07:57:29Z] <kris_> i need to get a calculator at some point though, i gave my dad my old ti-84
[2025-12-03T07:57:34Z] <midfavila> build one
[2025-12-03T07:57:38Z] <midfavila> get a kit off of tindie
[2025-12-03T07:57:51Z] <kris_> >build one
[2025-12-03T07:58:01Z] <kris_> is this a thing people are doing
[2025-12-03T07:58:04Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-12-03T07:58:10Z] <midfavila> https://www.tindie.com/products/icstation/multi-functional-calculator-diy-kit/
[2025-12-03T07:58:12Z] <kris_> im gonna just get another ti84 but you have my curiosity
[2025-12-03T07:58:14Z] <midfavila> aclculatro
[2025-12-03T07:58:21Z] <midfavila> for numbers
[2025-12-03T08:00:17Z] <midfavila> that reminds me i wonder if the fed here actually went through with outlawing the flipper zero
[2025-12-03T08:01:45Z] <midfavila> covered under burglary tool laws
[2025-12-03T08:07:59Z] <midfavila> literally just a toy for twitter poseurs
[2025-12-03T08:08:00Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-12-03T08:08:58Z] <midfavila> kris_: didnt you want to build a rocket
[2025-12-03T08:11:06Z] <kris_> once i get a printer yes
[2025-12-03T08:11:17Z] <kris_> also nah i need a graphing calc mid sorry
[2025-12-03T08:11:37Z] <midfavila> https://www.tindie.com/products/concreted0g/hexa-an-opensource-hexagonal-rocket/
[2025-12-03T08:11:41Z] <kris_> ok enough 3d printers arent particularly expensive
[2025-12-03T08:11:42Z] <midfavila> rockgid
[2025-12-03T08:11:58Z] <kris_> mid i think you've misunderstood
[2025-12-03T08:12:14Z] <kris_> im going to make like rocket fuel and try to get this thing out of the atmosphere
[2025-12-03T08:12:24Z] <midfavila> rockgid
[2025-12-03T08:12:27Z] <midfavila> open sores
[2025-12-03T08:12:31Z] <kris_> its gonna take years to pull off im sure
[2025-12-03T08:12:31Z] <midfavila> do it
[2025-12-03T08:12:37Z] <kris_> but im gonna try
[2025-12-03T08:12:41Z] <midfavila> put kisslinux into orbit
[2025-12-03T08:12:43Z] <midfavila> for justice
[2025-12-03T08:12:47Z] <midfavila> make dylan proud
[2025-12-03T08:13:41Z] <kris_> i never met dylan but ill consider it
[2025-12-03T08:13:52Z] <kris_> i had planned on putting void on a shielded pi
[2025-12-03T08:14:29Z] <kris_> the hardest part is going to be actually communicating with this thing once its really high up
[2025-12-03T08:14:34Z] <kris_> i want pictures
[2025-12-03T08:15:02Z] <kris_> but my grandfather is a radio nerd so maybe he'll have ideas
[2025-12-03T08:15:53Z] <midfavila> use slow scan television maybe
[2025-12-03T08:16:23Z] <kris_> one of my uni friends is an engineer so ive been trying to convince him to do this with me
[2025-12-03T08:16:39Z] <kris_> but he isnt as "chaotic" as i am apparently
[2025-12-03T08:16:54Z] <midfavila> god you are so 2011 tumblr
[2025-12-03T08:17:03Z] <kris_> dude HE said chaotic
[2025-12-03T08:17:07Z] <kris_> hence the double quotws
[2025-12-03T08:17:15Z] <midfavila> 'i'm not like the other boys, i'm so CHAOTIC'
[2025-12-03T08:17:18Z] <midfavila> 'rawr x3'
[2025-12-03T08:17:24Z] <midfavila> fact
[2025-12-03T08:17:26Z] <kris_> rawr
[2025-12-03T08:17:28Z] <midfavila> this is you
[2025-12-03T08:17:44Z] <midfavila> i bet you have the neon hair extension over one eye thing too
[2025-12-03T08:17:48Z] <kris_> i at one point had an emo flap and said rawr occasionally as a teenager so likw
[2025-12-03T08:17:53Z] <midfavila> I KNEW IT
[2025-12-03T08:17:54Z] <kris_> i wont argue too much
[2025-12-03T08:17:56Z] <midfavila> I FUCKING KNEWI T
[2025-12-03T08:18:00Z] <midfavila> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2025-12-03T08:18:04Z] <midfavila> that's adorable
[2025-12-03T08:18:11Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-12-03T08:18:22Z] <kris_> emo flaps kick ass mid shut up
[2025-12-03T08:18:29Z] <midfavila> no
[2025-12-03T08:18:32Z] <kris_> (they dont)
[2025-12-03T08:18:39Z] <midfavila> i'm going to bully you forever over this
[2025-12-03T08:18:45Z] <midfavila> smol emo kris
[2025-12-03T08:18:56Z] <kris_> i thought you were all over individuality 
[2025-12-03T08:18:58Z] <kris_> :c
[2025-12-03T08:19:01Z] <midfavila> did you have combat boots and acid washed jeans
[2025-12-03T08:19:06Z] <kris_> shut up
[2025-12-03T08:19:10Z] <midfavila> AAAAAAAAAAAA
[2025-12-03T08:19:20Z] <midfavila> right again aren't i
[2025-12-03T08:19:21Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-12-03T08:19:29Z] <kris_> i didnt btw
[2025-12-03T08:19:38Z] <midfavila> i'm going to imagine you did
[2025-12-03T08:19:39Z] <kris_> i had high top converse only
[2025-12-03T08:19:44Z] <midfavila> i bet you were super into hetalia too
[2025-12-03T08:19:50Z] <kris_> idk what that is
[2025-12-03T08:19:57Z] <midfavila> dodged a bullet there
[2025-12-03T08:19:59Z] <midfavila> also no
[2025-12-03T08:20:09Z] <midfavila> i'm literally one step away from wearing fatigues every day
[2025-12-03T08:20:23Z] <midfavila> and i try to standardise literaly everything in my life
[2025-12-03T08:20:30Z] <kris_> did you NOT have an emo phase?
[2025-12-03T08:20:38Z] <kris_> i thought that was normal
[2025-12-03T08:20:41Z] <midfavila> i am the everyone-wears-grey-and-has-the-same-everything commie stereotype
[2025-12-03T08:20:42Z] <kris_> everyone around me didnt but i did
[2025-12-03T08:20:53Z] <midfavila> no i was too busy trying not to die to have an emo phase
[2025-12-03T08:20:54Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-12-03T08:21:42Z] <kris_> mid: trying not to die
[2025-12-03T08:21:48Z] <kris_> me and the boys: trying to die
[2025-12-03T08:22:14Z] <midfavila> - w-
[2025-12-03T08:22:17Z] <midfavila> cringe, i know
[2025-12-03T08:22:21Z] <kris_> i kinda still have the emo look
[2025-12-03T08:22:26Z] <midfavila> but while i may be cringe i am free
[2025-12-03T08:22:26Z] <kris_> just the modern version
[2025-12-03T08:22:53Z] <kris_> oh btw i gave a speech on right to repair on monday
[2025-12-03T08:22:54Z] <midfavila> isn't the modern version basically just being a sparkledog irl
[2025-12-03T08:23:08Z] <kris_> what i didn't expect was getting my class actually riled up about this
[2025-12-03T08:23:09Z] * midfavila throws glitter in kris' hair
[2025-12-03T08:23:13Z] <kris_> no
[2025-12-03T08:23:18Z] <kris_> do you not know what i look like
[2025-12-03T08:23:18Z] <midfavila> riled up in favour or against it
[2025-12-03T08:23:29Z] <kris_> oh wait you're not a discordfren so im guessing not
[2025-12-03T08:23:35Z] <kris_> and in favor of right to repair
[2025-12-03T08:23:40Z] <kris_> apparently i struck a nerve
[2025-12-03T08:23:51Z] <kris_> in a good way
[2025-12-03T08:25:01Z] <kris_> ive discovered an unexpected thing im good at via speech class
[2025-12-03T08:26:15Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-12-03T08:26:21Z] <midfavila> time 2 join debate club
[2025-12-03T08:27:43Z] <midfavila> altho tbf right to repair is pretty easy to argue for
[2025-12-03T08:27:43Z] <kris_> im not the best person to debate with mid im an asshole
[2025-12-03T08:28:11Z] <midfavila> smol angy bean
[2025-12-03T08:28:23Z] <midfavila> vewy mad
[2025-12-03T08:28:27Z] <kris_> my politics professor has been driving me nuts so ive started replying to his questions only with other questions until he makes himself look like an idiot
[2025-12-03T08:28:27Z] <midfavila> >:ccc
[2025-12-03T08:28:41Z] <kris_> because he kept trying to embarrass me
[2025-12-03T08:28:54Z] <midfavila> have you decided whether you're on RED or BLU yet
[2025-12-03T08:29:19Z] <kris_> I'm don't give a shit fuck you and your liberal viewpoints
[2025-12-03T08:29:30Z] <kris_> if he were a conservative replace liberal with that
[2025-12-03T08:29:35Z] <midfavila> i mean
[2025-12-03T08:29:39Z] <midfavila> the status quo is liberal
[2025-12-03T08:29:48Z] <midfavila> and conservatives conserve the status quo
[2025-12-03T08:30:03Z] <midfavila> so ipso fatso quod erat demonfuck you tories are still libs
[2025-12-03T08:30:19Z] <kris_> he wasnt ecstatic when i said social libertarian when he asked me to label myself
[2025-12-03T08:30:32Z] <midfavila> to be fair being a libertarian is cringe
[2025-12-03T08:30:37Z] <kris_> dude goes "yeah so the republican party would cover you then"
[2025-12-03T08:30:41Z] <kris_> and im like >what
[2025-12-03T08:30:56Z] <kris_> so im like >did you hear the social part of that
[2025-12-03T08:31:08Z] <kris_> >libertarians are generally republican so they cover you
[2025-12-03T08:31:13Z] <kris_> devolves into me being annoyed
[2025-12-03T08:31:35Z] <midfavila> bedtime abolitionist
[2025-12-03T08:31:50Z] <kris_> midfavila: cringe or not i dont care, i dont even want to have that discussion in there but he's discovered its impossible for me to just not indulge 
[2025-12-03T08:32:01Z] <kris_> so he ALWAYS asks ME questions
[2025-12-03T08:32:11Z] <kris_> i dont even have to do anything and he just starts it
[2025-12-03T08:32:13Z] <kris_> every lecture
[2025-12-03T08:32:15Z] <midfavila> 'kris y r u woke'
[2025-12-03T08:32:21Z] <midfavila> 'stop being woke'
[2025-12-03T08:32:31Z] <midfavila> my boss does that
[2025-12-03T08:32:34Z] <kris_> he laughed at me the other day and i felt awful ngl
[2025-12-03T08:32:44Z] <midfavila> call him a dipshit and leave
[2025-12-03T08:32:58Z] <kris_> the assignment was dumb as fuck, "find things you LIKE about the united states"
[2025-12-03T08:33:10Z] <kris_> so i said the right to not self incriminate 
[2025-12-03T08:33:10Z] <midfavila> oh that's easy!
[2025-12-03T08:33:15Z] <kris_> and he thoufht that was hilarious
[2025-12-03T08:33:19Z] <kris_> for some reason
[2025-12-03T08:33:21Z] <midfavila> i like that it won't be relevant soon 
[2025-12-03T08:33:51Z] <kris_> he likes to move the goalpost around constantly too
[2025-12-03T08:34:23Z] <kris_> randomly he asks what books I've been reading so i said hitchhikers guide to the galaxy and he scoffs and says "that's not american" and im kinda just like ....
[2025-12-03T08:34:53Z] <kris_> i was very close to saying "yeah no shit, british stuff is generally higher quality" just to piss him ofd
[2025-12-03T08:35:21Z] <kris_> this class is bad in general, im glad its almost over
[2025-12-03T08:36:02Z] <kris_> re: libertarian being cringe
[2025-12-03T08:36:23Z] <kris_> i bounce between marxist and that on various things
[2025-12-03T08:36:44Z] <midfavila> what do you even mean by libertarian
[2025-12-03T08:36:46Z] <kris_> its impossible to label as just one thing which is part of why his stupid fucking question there was so stupid
[2025-12-03T08:37:08Z] <midfavila> like are we talking anarchism or right libertarianism or
[2025-12-03T08:37:10Z] <midfavila> what
[2025-12-03T08:37:13Z] <kris_> it's very simple- do literally anything you want unless you're hurting someone else
[2025-12-03T08:37:23Z] <kris_> and yes im pro gun
[2025-12-03T08:37:34Z] <midfavila> that's kind of a bad approach
[2025-12-03T08:37:46Z] <kris_> and i hate the idea of a powerful big ass government
[2025-12-03T08:38:00Z] <midfavila> is building a massive data centre in a town with the proper permits and shit 'hurting other people' 
[2025-12-03T08:38:12Z] <midfavila> what if it jacks up electric bills
[2025-12-03T08:38:15Z] <kris_> yeah statistically it is mid 
[2025-12-03T08:38:20Z] <midfavila> keeps people up with noise
[2025-12-03T08:38:21Z] <kris_> it fucks up the environment around 
[2025-12-03T08:38:34Z] <midfavila> well my argument is that they consented by giving me permits
[2025-12-03T08:38:38Z] <midfavila> so what now
[2025-12-03T08:39:19Z] <midfavila> also if there's no state then who's going to settle conflict between two parties that aren't necessarily equal in power
[2025-12-03T08:39:20Z] <kris_> the area they're building in needs to come to a well over half agreement for that to happen ngl
[2025-12-03T08:39:35Z] <kris_> i dont like federal governments but more localized ones i think are more okay
[2025-12-03T08:40:05Z] <kris_> if like 70% of the area agrees to that then whatever
[2025-12-03T08:40:24Z] <kris_> a clean 50/50 split is bad
[2025-12-03T08:40:29Z] <kris_> or 51/49
[2025-12-03T08:40:47Z] <midfavila> idk i feel like if it's an enormous thing it should just be consensus
[2025-12-03T08:40:55Z] <kris_> id like to think if you have smaller more fragmented communities itll be easier for them to self govern
[2025-12-03T08:41:08Z] <midfavila> harder to standardise 
[2025-12-03T08:41:15Z] <kris_> it works in my experience
[2025-12-03T08:41:17Z] <midfavila> look at the foss communities
[2025-12-03T08:41:18Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-12-03T08:41:40Z] <kris_> we were fine until microsoft and IBM ate everything up
[2025-12-03T08:41:49Z] <midfavila> there's like four different IM protocols each with its own ecosystem of mutually incompatible clients and servers and shit
[2025-12-03T08:41:54Z] <midfavila> and a million extensions
[2025-12-03T08:41:59Z] <kris_> microsoft just because poettering works there really
[2025-12-03T08:42:34Z] <kris_> okay so what do you seriously suggest? everyone thinks their way is correct
[2025-12-03T08:42:40Z] <kris_> bridging would be kinda dumb
[2025-12-03T08:43:04Z] <kris_> i like POSIX shell but i dont think people should NEED to not use bashisms 
[2025-12-03T08:44:04Z] <midfavila> idk man it's 0230 or w/e
[2025-12-03T08:44:41Z] <kris_> fair and true
[2025-12-03T08:45:10Z] <kris_> but to sum it up really, xmpp users can sit in their little garden and we'll sit in ours
[2025-12-03T08:45:16Z] <kris_> same with the matrix people and etc
[2025-12-03T08:45:41Z] <kris_> if pidgin got frequent updates that would be the solution 
[2025-12-03T17:30:07Z] <chadbsd> long ahh chat
[2025-12-03T18:11:57Z] <kris_> chadbsd: we're yappers
[2025-12-03T18:22:04Z] <chadbsd> fr
[2025-12-03T18:27:04Z] <midfavila> chadbsd: begone zoomie
[2025-12-03T18:32:42Z] <chadbsd> unc
[2025-12-03T19:36:42Z] <midfavila> that's sad_plan 
[2025-12-03T20:11:05Z] <sad_plan> what?
[2025-12-03T20:15:46Z] <midfavila> unc
[2025-12-03T20:33:40Z] <sad_plan> what is unc?
[2025-12-03T20:40:28Z] <sad_plan> oh, I looked it up. im not that old :c
[2025-12-03T21:50:55Z] <midfavila> sad_unc