[2025-12-01T03:24:27Z] <kris_> sleppy
[2025-12-01T08:21:32Z] <Ozymandias42> kris_: I despise the label "Corpoware". That's like saying any software that's successfull enough to need to grow in complexity to suit large scale deployments is bad. 
[2025-12-01T08:21:44Z] <Ozymandias42> anyway. for your automatism needs on android: https://tasker.joaoapps.com/
[2025-12-01T08:22:16Z] <Ozymandias42> or https://llamalab.com/automate/
[2025-12-01T15:23:25Z] <midfavila> gm
[2025-12-01T15:53:48Z] <kris_> midfavila: https://share.boba.best/nJEPdh9U
[2025-12-01T15:54:03Z] <kris_> the water in the pot keeps boiling away before the water in the kettle does
[2025-12-01T15:54:12Z] <kris_> idk what's up with you guys and these inefficient ass things
[2025-12-01T15:56:02Z] <midfavila> typical barbarian doing typical barbarian things
[2025-12-01T15:56:05Z] <midfavila> very sad
[2025-12-01T15:56:09Z] <midfavila> many such cases
[2025-12-01T15:56:35Z] <midfavila> it's okay, canada will bring civilisation to the united states soon
[2025-12-01T15:57:29Z] <kris_> im just making tea great again
[2025-12-01T15:58:21Z] <midfavila> just because everything is bigger in america doesn't mean it's better
[2025-12-01T15:58:22Z] * midfavila sniffs
[2025-12-01T16:04:28Z] <midfavila> fuck i still can't get over the fact that half the population here is either innumerate or illiterate
[2025-12-01T16:04:33Z] <midfavila> what the fuck, canada
[2025-12-01T16:04:54Z] <midfavila> istg there isn't going to be a canada in fifty years
[2025-12-01T16:09:18Z] <midfavila> or, well, 'functionally'. but that's hardly better
[2025-12-01T16:10:32Z] <kris_> iirc you guys are a lot better off than we are in that regard
[2025-12-01T16:11:10Z] <kris_> most of the people i went to elementary/middle/highschool with were reading at like a 9 year olds level
[2025-12-01T16:11:23Z] <kris_> idk how that happens with how text heavy modern society is
[2025-12-01T16:17:09Z] <midfavila> yeah iirc canada scores ahead of america in terms of academics across the board
[2025-12-01T16:17:15Z] <midfavila> which says something about both countries
[2025-12-01T16:17:51Z] <midfavila> ngl i think part of it is that people are proud of their ignorance. there's a serious cultural issue in terms of anti-intellectualism here
[2025-12-01T16:18:12Z] <kris_> yep
[2025-12-01T16:18:13Z] <midfavila> especially in the more resource extraction heavy parts of the country
[2025-12-01T16:18:27Z] <kris_> being a thinker don't pay no bills mid 
[2025-12-01T16:18:33Z] <kris_> note the double negative
[2025-12-01T16:19:03Z] <midfavila> i have already depicted you as the weakling nerd wojak and myself as the gigachad
[2025-12-01T16:19:07Z] <midfavila> checkmate
[2025-12-01T16:19:08Z] <kris_> the thing is
[2025-12-01T16:19:10Z] <midfavila> etc
[2025-12-01T16:19:37Z] <midfavila> it's not like it's a personal failure though. the government is doing it intentionally as far as i'm concerned
[2025-12-01T16:19:42Z] <kris_> people from resource extraction heavy areas or from rural places don't like intellectualism because it directly shits on ton of the things they've believed their entire lives
[2025-12-01T16:19:46Z] <kris_> people don't like that
[2025-12-01T16:19:51Z] <midfavila> well yeah but like
[2025-12-01T16:19:53Z] <midfavila> cope
[2025-12-01T16:19:57Z] <midfavila> get the fuck over yourself
[2025-12-01T16:20:15Z] <midfavila> something something facts something something feelings. isn't that what people like that are always on about?
[2025-12-01T16:20:16Z] <kris_> you're asking for a lot apparently
[2025-12-01T16:20:40Z] <midfavila> self reflection 
[2025-12-01T16:20:45Z] <midfavila> very challenging
[2025-12-01T16:20:50Z] <kris_> yes mid thats asking for a lot
[2025-12-01T16:21:03Z] <midfavila> that's depressing
[2025-12-01T16:21:28Z] <kris_> I'll admit I'm a total douchebag but I've come to the conclusion that the typical person really is dumb as fucking shit
[2025-12-01T16:21:35Z] <kris_> which means one of two things-
[2025-12-01T16:21:44Z] <kris_> either they are, or I am the one who is dumb as shit
[2025-12-01T16:21:53Z] <kris_> I'm undecided on where that coin lands
[2025-12-01T16:22:03Z] <midfavila> idk i think that a lot of it comes down to environment
[2025-12-01T16:22:24Z] <kris_> everyone at my uni seems so sure of themselves and the things they think
[2025-12-01T16:22:35Z] <kris_> regardless of how backwards it may be
[2025-12-01T16:22:38Z] <midfavila> if you're raised in a culture that idolises blind obedience and rejects any sort of intellectual or artistic pursuit then you're naturally going to end up similar 
[2025-12-01T16:22:43Z] <kris_> its not different from my rural mining area hometown
[2025-12-01T16:22:49Z] <midfavila> kris_: wait until america 250 comes into play
[2025-12-01T16:22:51Z] <kris_> its the same thing but flavored diffetently 
[2025-12-01T16:22:51Z] <midfavila> did you hear about that
[2025-12-01T16:22:52Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-12-01T16:23:02Z] <kris_> i have no idea what that is
[2025-12-01T16:23:15Z] <midfavila> the second phase of the rollout of the century of american humiliation 
[2025-12-01T16:23:25Z] <midfavila> basically project 2025 but for public schools
[2025-12-01T16:23:44Z] <midfavila> one sec
[2025-12-01T16:23:54Z] <midfavila> https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=Q-PrQ9JBjYc
[2025-12-01T18:43:04Z] <midfavila> man i gotta be real in some ways i miss the covid lockdowns
[2025-12-01T18:43:56Z] <midfavila> people didn't fucking crowd in against you or waste time nearly as much as they do now and there was a lot more social pressure to not be a walking health hazard
[2025-12-01T18:53:50Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I hate to say it, but I sometimes agree. now I have no excuse for not going on to events and so on and so forth
[2025-12-01T18:54:24Z] <sad_plan> appart from not wanting to go though, but thats usually not accepted by the masses
[2025-12-01T18:55:03Z] <midfavila> i just kind of hate how pushy everyone here is
[2025-12-01T18:55:10Z] <midfavila> and how fuckin
[2025-12-01T18:55:15Z] <midfavila> meander-y everyone acts
[2025-12-01T18:55:25Z] <midfavila> like nobody has anything to *do* other than waste time
[2025-12-01T18:55:30Z] <midfavila> i mean obviously i don't care about like
[2025-12-01T18:55:33Z] <midfavila> hustle hustle hustle
[2025-12-01T18:55:35Z] <midfavila> fuck that
[2025-12-01T18:55:48Z] <midfavila> but if you're *going* to do something, don't fucking... fuck around
[2025-12-01T18:55:52Z] <midfavila> just *do* it
[2025-12-01T18:56:14Z] <midfavila> don't wander around stores for hours being unnecessary foot traffic and shit like that
[2025-12-01T18:56:22Z] <midfavila> go in, do what you have to do, and go home
[2025-12-01T18:57:55Z] <sad_plan> so basically women should stop womening lol
[2025-12-01T18:58:08Z] <sad_plan> because thats exacly what women does
[2025-12-01T18:58:12Z] <sad_plan> but I get what you mean
[2025-12-01T18:58:14Z] <midfavila> no need to be a chauvinist about it
[2025-12-01T18:58:18Z] <midfavila> everyone does it
[2025-12-01T18:58:26Z] <midfavila> but yes
[2025-12-01T18:59:00Z] <sad_plan> im not. I was making a joke. but regardless, joking or not, women does this more than men does
[2025-12-01T19:00:21Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2025-12-01T19:00:22Z] <sad_plan> in any case, I do see this myself. sometimes i take a trip down to the mall, because I need something, and even on a monday morning, the lot is filled... like wtf is even people doing? dont people have other things to do than just hanging out at the mall? dont they have a job to go to?
[2025-12-01T19:00:59Z] <midfavila> who knows. maybe that's their day off. if you're out doing things with friends, that's one thing, but like...
[2025-12-01T19:01:02Z] <midfavila> i'm not even referring to that
[2025-12-01T19:01:26Z] <midfavila> i mean ultimately this is just me being a bit of a prick but i feel like people acted much more regimented at the time
[2025-12-01T19:01:30Z] <midfavila> and i very much prefer that 
[2025-12-01T19:01:52Z] <midfavila> as is, there's just like, all these little fuckin things that really bother me about day to day activities here
[2025-12-01T19:02:03Z] <midfavila> 's one of the things i miss about living on a military base
[2025-12-01T19:03:23Z] <midfavila> ionno
[2025-12-01T19:03:25Z] <midfavila> schtuff
[2025-12-01T19:04:35Z] <sad_plan> I could never imagine living on a milityary base tbh. but I get it. at the base, there were less bs from people
[2025-12-01T19:04:48Z] <midfavila> honestly it was really nice
[2025-12-01T19:04:52Z] <midfavila> at least for me
[2025-12-01T19:04:55Z] <midfavila> there's no ads
[2025-12-01T19:05:01Z] <midfavila> everything is designed very efficiently
[2025-12-01T19:05:04Z] <midfavila> everything is maintained
[2025-12-01T19:05:32Z] <midfavila> there's no crime beyond some issues with new recruits at the bar after payday once in a while
[2025-12-01T19:05:39Z] <midfavila> because there's extensive social supports
[2025-12-01T19:06:10Z] <midfavila> if you've ever seen those old ads from 1950s americana it's kind of like that but an actual place that actual people live in?
[2025-12-01T19:06:16Z] <midfavila> except of course in canada
[2025-12-01T19:06:20Z] <midfavila> idk what bases in america are like.
[2025-12-01T19:07:14Z] <sad_plan> I get it, things are predictable, and we like predictable
[2025-12-01T19:07:29Z] <sad_plan> theyre probably somewhat the same as theyre in canada
[2025-12-01T19:07:44Z] <sad_plan> but I wouldnt know, never been on a military base at all
[2025-12-01T19:07:50Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-12-01T19:08:07Z] <midfavila> you get to wake up at 0600 every morning to the sound of artillery and tanks >:OO
[2025-12-01T19:08:29Z] <midfavila> sometimes i would just wake up and there would be a tank outside or w/e
[2025-12-01T19:08:37Z] <midfavila> is what it is
[2025-12-01T19:10:19Z] <sad_plan> I have a friend, who got kids some time back, and he started going to bed, and waking up to the exact same time each day, and he said he never felt better. not really similar to tanks outside your tent, but predictable non-the-less
[2025-12-01T19:10:50Z] <midfavila> yeah having the same wake up time is really important
[2025-12-01T19:11:35Z] <sad_plan> yeah I dont have that, at all, due to work. each week has a new schedule, it even shifts mid week in 2 of my work weeks
[2025-12-01T19:11:56Z] <sad_plan> im starting to like the idea of day job more and more due to the science behind working like this for years. 
[2025-12-01T19:12:14Z] <sad_plan> ive read it could potentially shvave 15 years of your life
[2025-12-01T19:12:29Z] <sad_plan> which is a lot really
[2025-12-01T19:12:50Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-12-01T19:13:04Z] <midfavila> i would never go back to shift work unless there was some pretty serious compensation
[2025-12-01T19:13:19Z] <midfavila> there are a few things for jobs that are immediate dealbreakers for me 
[2025-12-01T19:13:48Z] <midfavila> retail, service, shift work, and anything that pays about the same as standard income programmes are all worthless
[2025-12-01T19:13:56Z] <midfavila> i don't mind work, but you need to make it worth my time.
[2025-12-01T19:13:59Z] <sad_plan> we are being compensated for it, but I dont really belive its enough. atleast not when you take the whole 15 years shaven of your life into account
[2025-12-01T19:14:07Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-12-01T19:14:38Z] <sad_plan> I get that
[2025-12-01T22:36:27Z] <kris_> nah covid was the best thing ever for mw
[2025-12-01T22:36:29Z] <kris_> me*
[2025-12-01T22:36:32Z] <kris_> pure isolation