[2025-11-26T00:27:27Z] <kris_> midfavila: as an anime connoisseur have you watched eighty-sixers
[2025-11-26T00:37:44Z] <krisyearner> i thought this one would be registered already
[2025-11-26T01:04:48Z] <kris_> :fr:
[2025-11-26T06:02:47Z] <Ozymandias42> good morning
[2025-11-26T06:03:11Z] <Ozymandias42> here's some good vibes music to get the day started https://open.spotify.com/track/4uZCqSwjpT92PLVGdW7jyn?si=8b125bbdd5bd4486
[2025-11-26T06:07:46Z] <Ozymandias42> midfavila: for the canadian among us: a french classic performed by a japanese duo^^ https://open.spotify.com/track/0lWsJxCZUvmKuemh1l6ZGg?si=e7d14a42d2f34aff
[2025-11-26T06:10:45Z] <sad_plan> Ozymandias42: I dont belive mid uses spotify :p
[2025-11-26T06:10:54Z] <sad_plan> also good morning #kisslinux
[2025-11-26T06:12:23Z] <ozyyearner> GOOD MORNING OZY
[2025-11-26T06:13:04Z] <ozyyearner> Ozymandias42
[2025-11-26T06:14:15Z] <ozyyearner> whatevs
[2025-11-26T06:16:19Z] <Ozymandias42> morning eva o/
[2025-11-26T06:19:37Z] <ozyyearner> was i in ur dreams again
[2025-11-26T06:19:50Z] <Ozymandias42> if I could remember them I might be able to answer that but maybe^^
[2025-11-26T06:19:55Z] <ozyyearner> you can lie idm
[2025-11-26T06:20:20Z] <Ozymandias42> how about me? seems I fill your every waking thought recently. been the same for the nightly ones?
[2025-11-26T06:20:54Z] <ozyyearner> i havent slept
[2025-11-26T06:21:00Z] <ozyyearner> my head was busy busy w thoughts of you
[2025-11-26T06:21:08Z] <ozyyearner> who up yearning for the illusion of a person?
[2025-11-26T06:21:20Z] <Ozymandias42> flattering. but I shouldn't be more important than sleep
[2025-11-26T06:21:56Z] <Ozymandias42> btw. something on-topic for once. I'm very happy that Easyeffects ditched the gtk garbage for Qt
[2025-11-26T06:23:12Z] <Ozymandias42> anything interesting in your plans for today, eva?
[2025-11-26T06:23:21Z] <Ozymandias42> nothing special for me. just work
[2025-11-26T06:25:21Z] <ozyyearner> what the hell is easyeffects
[2025-11-26T06:25:25Z] <ozyyearner> imagine if i had avoided YOU
[2025-11-26T06:25:30Z] <ozyyearner> and no not rly i just have to sleep soon
[2025-11-26T06:25:44Z] <ozyyearner> oh oh i see
[2025-11-26T06:25:46Z] <Ozymandias42> if you had avoided me we both would miss out on fun conversations
[2025-11-26T06:25:47Z] <ozyyearner> use sndio instead
[2025-11-26T06:25:58Z] <Ozymandias42> why would I use sndio?
[2025-11-26T06:26:04Z] <ozyyearner> openbsd uses it :>
[2025-11-26T06:26:05Z] <Ozymandias42> I need bluetooth audio and network audio all the time
[2025-11-26T06:26:32Z] <Ozymandias42> and easyeffects can hook into pipewire and apply all kinds of effects.
[2025-11-26T06:26:40Z] <Ozymandias42> basically it can plug in any VST module
[2025-11-26T06:27:09Z] <Ozymandias42> ..does openbsd even have bluetooth drivers?
[2025-11-26T06:27:40Z] <Ozymandias42> btw. hope you also like Vulfpeck https://open.spotify.com/track/6tL1I2F1BWhhQpwFUQztEz?si=f05269ae0af9495f
[2025-11-26T06:27:52Z] <ozyyearner> they dont have a bluetooth stack
[2025-11-26T06:27:59Z] <ozyyearner> idk why i think they just stopped writing it
[2025-11-26T06:28:21Z] <Ozymandias42> too few people potentially actually writing it probably
[2025-11-26T06:28:26Z] <Ozymandias42> *using
[2025-11-26T06:30:38Z] <Ozymandias42> btw. I got an openbsd question for you if you're still wakeful enough for it. ..I think it's openbsd at least. been a while since I've read about it
[2025-11-26T06:30:45Z] <Ozymandias42> this pledge thing
[2025-11-26T06:31:20Z] <Ozymandias42> how is that supposed to work? am I right in my understanding, that is requries everything to use it to be coded and compiled with it?
[2025-11-26T06:31:37Z] <ozyyearner> oooh
[2025-11-26T06:31:45Z] <ozyyearner> pledge and unveil are like
[2025-11-26T06:31:52Z] <ozyyearner> to the end user its just the same as using app armour
[2025-11-26T06:31:56Z] <ozyyearner> idk if u know what that is
[2025-11-26T06:32:02Z] <Ozymandias42> I know apparmor
[2025-11-26T06:32:28Z] <ozyyearner> its pretty much that
[2025-11-26T06:32:45Z] <Ozymandias42> but apparmor doesn't care about the application it restricts so pledge and unveil do something more or at least different, right?
[2025-11-26T06:33:08Z] <ozyyearner> its just so that
[2025-11-26T06:33:13Z] <ozyyearner> it can only use what it needs
[2025-11-26T06:33:30Z] <ozyyearner> like the application cant even see the other directories
[2025-11-26T06:33:32Z] <Ozymandias42> so like a built in app armor profile?
[2025-11-26T06:33:35Z] <ozyyearner> sorta
[2025-11-26T06:33:37Z] <ozyyearner> ya
[2025-11-26T06:34:09Z] <Ozymandias42> guess that does make some sense. if the application itself can just say I need this list of things then that avoids problems with stuff like apparmor or selinux being too restrictive
[2025-11-26T06:34:21Z] <Ozymandias42> on the other hand it requires the applications themselves to be trusted
[2025-11-26T06:34:28Z] <Ozymandias42> *trusted already
[2025-11-26T06:34:41Z] <Ozymandias42> if they were compromised so might be the embedded policy list
[2025-11-26T06:34:53Z] <ozyyearner> a lot of things are changed for openbsd
[2025-11-26T06:35:17Z] <ozyyearner> just becasue they wont work if they're not
[2025-11-26T06:35:25Z] <ozyyearner> so a lot of things are stripped for pledge anyway
[2025-11-26T06:35:30Z] <Ozymandias42> the bsd's have pioneered a lot of security stuff
[2025-11-26T06:36:12Z] <Ozymandias42> what brought you to openbsd anyway if I may ask?
[2025-11-26T06:36:42Z] <ozyyearner> their logo is a pufferfish??
[2025-11-26T06:36:44Z] <ozyyearner> well obviously
[2025-11-26T06:37:11Z] <Ozymandias42> ...guess that's a good reason. tells you immediately it's potentially deadly^^
[2025-11-26T06:37:22Z] <ozyyearner> its just idk
[2025-11-26T06:37:24Z] <ozyyearner> i rly like it
[2025-11-26T06:37:45Z] <Ozymandias42> in the way things work or behave there as opposed to other bsd's or linux?
[2025-11-26T06:37:48Z] <ozyyearner> i used to try the weird systems like plan9 and bsd and something like that
[2025-11-26T06:37:54Z] <ozyyearner> i just always liked openbsd its so simple
[2025-11-26T06:38:11Z] <Ozymandias42> never tried plan9 myself. but openbsd I've isntalled a few times. once even as a VM on a raspi
[2025-11-26T06:38:15Z] <Ozymandias42> that was cool
[2025-11-26T06:39:07Z] <ozyyearner> what do you use
[2025-11-26T06:39:08Z] <ozyyearner> kiss?
[2025-11-26T06:39:16Z] <Ozymandias42> nah. NixOS
[2025-11-26T06:39:36Z] <Ozymandias42> I like the functional and declarative approach
[2025-11-26T06:39:41Z] <Ozymandias42> ..also transactional
[2025-11-26T06:40:26Z] <Ozymandias42> on my work notebook. (which I'm using right now) I run Debian 13 and a openSUSE MicroOS Kalpa VM in which I'm writing right now
[2025-11-26T06:41:07Z] <ozyyearner> you just hate using good distros dont you
[2025-11-26T06:41:27Z] <Ozymandias42> I don't like having to fiddle with stuff needlessly. I waste enough time with kubernetes already
[2025-11-26T06:41:47Z] <Ozymandias42> also NixOS is god-grade. 
[2025-11-26T06:42:16Z] <Ozymandias42> and MicroOS is super low-effort by being Immutable and Transactional too
[2025-11-26T06:42:44Z] <Ozymandias42> seeing as I use it just as interface for a tunnel to my homenet and for private browsing and chatting it's perfectly fine for that
[2025-11-26T06:43:00Z] <Ozymandias42> and as I already know it I don't have to learn tons of new quirks any other distro would force on me
[2025-11-26T06:43:16Z] <Ozymandias42> I don't care how simple kiss or void might be. I'm not familar with them 
[2025-11-26T06:43:57Z] <ozyyearner> no i get it
[2025-11-26T06:44:25Z] <Ozymandias42> you're one of only few who do then. nice! 
[2025-11-26T06:44:38Z] <Ozymandias42> many people seem to think I have infinite time to play with things. 
[2025-11-26T06:45:09Z] <Ozymandias42> it's also why I refuse to ever use arch. because I would have to spent time and brain-resources to memorize how pacman works because the devs cant be assed to make it intuitive or at least mnemonic
[2025-11-26T06:45:31Z] <Ozymandias42> ..that and the AUR is a huge security issue
[2025-11-26T06:46:34Z] <ozyyearner> everytime ive tried to use arch ive given up
[2025-11-26T06:46:42Z] <ozyyearner> it breaks and ppl are like "yeah it does that"
[2025-11-26T06:46:46Z] <ozyyearner> what do u mean it does that??
[2025-11-26T06:47:17Z] <ozyyearner> i'd use kiss again before arch in every life time
[2025-11-26T06:47:52Z] <Ozymandias42> baffling thing to just accept, right?
[2025-11-26T06:47:52Z] <Ozymandias42> ...ping. (network issue apparently rn)
[2025-11-26T06:48:23Z] <Ozymandias42> only arch based distro I've ever used (very briefly) was Endeavour on a chrometablet
[2025-11-26T06:49:42Z] <ozyyearner> my bf wants to play games before bed
[2025-11-26T06:49:46Z] <ozyyearner> missing u eternally ozy
[2025-11-26T06:50:32Z] <Ozymandias42> good night eva o/
[2025-11-26T12:48:48Z] <sad_plan> yay, i switched to sbase bc from gnu bc, now things break. I love this
[2025-11-26T14:49:49Z] <kris_> I've honestly never in my life had arch be unstable
[2025-11-26T15:09:17Z] <Ozymandias42> I've heard about arch breaking things by being too bleeding edge quite often tbh
[2025-11-26T15:10:39Z] <kris_> have you actually used it long term
[2025-11-26T15:10:58Z] <Ozymandias42> never used it at all
[2025-11-26T15:11:04Z] <kris_> bbaovanc in LC has had his arch install for like 4 years now?
[2025-11-26T15:11:06Z] <kris_> 4-5
[2025-11-26T15:11:10Z] <kris_> the literal same install
[2025-11-26T15:11:30Z] <kris_> i dont think he's ever had anything break unless caused by him out of his few thousand packages
[2025-11-26T15:11:55Z] <Ozymandias42> that does not mean that install isn't sometimes breaking things. just that he's competent enough to repair it
[2025-11-26T15:12:27Z] <Ozymandias42> Which in fairness happens on all distros. NixOS included
[2025-11-26T15:12:35Z] <kris_> the only breakage is like, "something updated and needs config changes to continue working"
[2025-11-26T15:12:38Z] <kris_> which isn't really breaking
[2025-11-26T15:12:48Z] <Ozymandias42> fair I guess 
[2025-11-26T15:12:56Z] <kris_> void does the same thing but xbps warns me with specific instructions before i run the update at least
[2025-11-26T15:12:59Z] <Ozymandias42> I see where this might come from then 
[2025-11-26T15:13:02Z] <kris_> which is something more distros need
[2025-11-26T15:13:23Z] <Ozymandias42> those config changes are less frequent on lts distros 
[2025-11-26T15:13:38Z] <kris_> honestly in the past 3-4 years ive only seen it twice on void
[2025-11-26T15:13:44Z] <Ozymandias42> so the I impression of breakage is less there
[2025-11-26T15:13:58Z] <kris_> when we moved from cgroup v1/v2 hybrid to just pure v2 and sometimes pipewire has to be adjusted
[2025-11-26T15:14:31Z] * kris_ loves waking up with a painful neck
[2025-11-26T15:14:35Z] <kris_> i must be getting old
[2025-11-26T15:15:18Z] <Ozymandias42> you need an ergonomic memory foam cushion
[2025-11-26T15:15:41Z] <kris_> i guess i just slept in a weird way, i have no idea
[2025-11-26T15:15:52Z] <kris_> i sleep on a folded up futon that's like really thin so i can feel the metal frame under me
[2025-11-26T15:15:57Z] <kris_> it's quite comfortable but sometimes i wake up in agony
[2025-11-26T15:16:33Z] <Ozymandias42> Pain and pleasure are close to each other, Huh?^^
[2025-11-26T15:16:51Z] <kris_> i guess it probably only gets uncomfortable after ive gone to sleep and won't notice it
[2025-11-26T16:17:41Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: spotify is proprietary and therefore le bad
[2025-11-26T16:18:01Z] <midfavila> my fuckin ALARM didn't go off this morning 
[2025-11-26T16:18:03Z] <midfavila> hate smartphones man
[2025-11-26T16:18:11Z] <midfavila> botnet is conspiring to destroy my livelihood
[2025-11-26T16:18:15Z] <midfavila> they're ONTO ME kris_ 
[2025-11-26T16:41:02Z] <kris_> midfavila: ikr
[2025-11-26T17:35:50Z] <midfavila> ugh i need a new headset for my bike...
[2025-11-26T17:35:58Z] <midfavila> honestly at some point i need to just rebuild the fucking thing
[2025-11-26T17:36:13Z] <midfavila> had it for like 3-4 years now and it's never received a full service
[2025-11-26T18:06:23Z] <sewntheGOAT> Ozymandias42
[2025-11-26T18:20:32Z] <sewn> weh?
[2025-11-26T18:32:15Z] <Ozymandias42> Yes Eva, what did you need?
[2025-11-26T18:40:39Z] <sewntheGOAT> you
[2025-11-26T18:44:17Z] <Ozymandias42> Cute. I missed you too. Did you sleep well?
[2025-11-26T18:53:25Z] <kris_> alright honestly i think i've come to the conclusion that emacs is an unbelievably poorly designed pile of ass
[2025-11-26T19:14:23Z] <midfavila> hey you take that back
[2025-11-26T19:14:30Z] <midfavila> emacs might be a piece of shit but it's a *comfy* piece of shit
[2025-11-26T19:14:34Z] <midfavila> *and* it's better than vim
[2025-11-26T19:14:38Z] <midfavila> so there
[2025-11-26T19:14:50Z] <midfavila> it would be nice if they rewrote it in guile though.
[2025-11-26T19:16:18Z] <kris_> midfavila: i'm actively configuring my vim for coding at the moment
[2025-11-26T19:16:26Z] <kris_> normally its just a generic text editor i take notes in and whatnot
[2025-11-26T19:16:36Z] <kris_> but vim was comfy when i used it for coding until i decided i was bored
[2025-11-26T19:19:50Z] <midfavila> correct answer is ed
[2025-11-26T19:19:51Z] <midfavila> tbh
[2025-11-26T19:27:51Z] <kris_> nuh uh
[2025-11-26T19:28:07Z] <kris_> at the moment im considering features out of an editor i feel like i need but actually don't
[2025-11-26T19:28:11Z] <kris_> to determine whether or not vis will be usable
[2025-11-26T19:32:27Z] <Ozymandias42> I use helix :D
[2025-11-26T19:48:20Z] <sewn> f uckign
[2025-11-26T19:48:21Z] <sewn> love helix
[2025-11-26T19:49:32Z] <Ozymandias42> btw. sewn, is it sewn==sean==shaun?
[2025-11-26T19:49:37Z] <sewn> its sewn
[2025-11-26T19:49:40Z] <sewn> the english word
[2025-11-26T19:49:45Z] <Ozymandias42> ah okay. got it
[2025-11-26T20:45:08Z] <midfavila> hey what was that c++ and curses based invidious client that was in community/ ages ago
[2025-11-26T20:45:11Z] <midfavila> is that still a thing
[2025-11-26T20:45:11Z] <midfavila> ?
[2025-11-26T20:49:54Z] <midfavila> i really ought to get back into programming, ugh... i had a basic menu-driven interface in posix shell using apport for browing invidious and stuff but that fell off too
[2025-11-26T22:16:47Z] <kris_> why must vis' documentation be so useless
[2025-11-26T22:21:22Z] <midfavila> because ThE sOuRcE cOdE iS tHe DoCuMeNtAtIoN
[2025-11-26T22:21:35Z] <midfavila> obviously
[2025-11-26T22:21:36Z] <midfavila> duh
[2025-11-26T22:21:40Z] <kris_> nevermind i found it
[2025-11-26T22:21:48Z] <kris_> i'm a linux user, im used to docs being on the github as well as the manpage
[2025-11-26T22:21:51Z] <kris_> not JUST the manpage
[2025-11-26T22:21:54Z] <midfavila> wtaf 
[2025-11-26T22:21:59Z] <midfavila> why would you check github before your manual
[2025-11-26T22:22:03Z] <kris_> shrug
[2025-11-26T22:22:10Z] <midfavila> nvm this is pebkac
[2025-11-26T22:22:12Z] <midfavila> :gun:
[2025-11-26T22:24:34Z] <kris_> you aren't wrong
[2025-11-26T22:26:02Z] <kris_> configuring vis is definitely going to be a pain in the ass
[2025-11-26T22:26:08Z] <kris_> regardless
[2025-11-26T22:42:20Z] <sewn> helix: