[2025-11-25T00:00:03Z] <dery> that's even crazier
[2025-11-25T00:00:36Z] <dery> uh although it looks like dc is not part of POSIX so it's not necessarily that anymore
[2025-11-25T00:00:42Z] <dery> there's a note about that in the manpage
[2025-11-25T06:45:11Z] <sad_plan> you could also use pc from p9. sigrid appearantly ported it to linux. that is if bc or qcalc isnt suffiecient
[2025-11-25T06:45:20Z] <sad_plan> https://git.sr.ht/~ft/pc
[2025-11-25T11:43:41Z] <sad_plan> omg, fucking kernel. figured out why I couldnt build newer kernels. for some reason my gelf.h gives me errors when using unwinder orc. so I switched to another unwinder, but now I get a wall of multiple definitions of a variety of things
[2025-11-25T11:43:43Z] * sad_plan sobs
[2025-11-25T12:54:30Z] <sad_plan> I saw a post yesterday which showed infaltion over the past 25 years. and $100k today, was ~53k in 2000. which is baffeling to me. no wonder americans has a hard time with money. your money is getting your value halved over only 25 years. its redicious 
[2025-11-25T12:59:35Z] <sad_plan> wtf, its about the same here in norway. damn
[2025-11-25T15:16:08Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: welcome to capitalism
[2025-11-25T15:16:20Z] <midfavila> of course, inflation has only made asset prices soar
[2025-11-25T15:16:28Z] <midfavila> so people who own stocks and houses and shit are laughing
[2025-11-25T15:17:03Z] <midfavila> wait until you learn about america's two-tier wage system where people who receive tips only get paid like 2usd an hour
[2025-11-25T15:18:39Z] <midfavila> if the central bank(s) still prioritised minimal unemployment then labour here would be in a significantly better position to demand better compensation
[2025-11-25T15:19:01Z] <midfavila> but since there's a bunch of people who are desperate for work at all times, that significantly reduces labour's bargaining power
[2025-11-25T15:19:13Z] <midfavila> it "disciplines wages"
[2025-11-25T15:30:29Z] <sad_plan> im aware, I was just not aware of the huge gap over such a short time.
[2025-11-25T15:31:09Z] <sad_plan> re: tips, yeah, ive heard about stuff like that. its stupid that waitresses have to simply live off of their tips, as opposed to actualll pay
[2025-11-25T15:32:56Z] <sad_plan> on another note though, atleast in norway, wages has increased abovavarage inflation rate, so at the very least, people has infact gotten better wages over time
[2025-11-25T15:38:22Z] <midfavila> yeah it's the opposite here
[2025-11-25T15:38:39Z] <midfavila> in canada people have lost over 50% of their wages' real value in the past fifty years
[2025-11-25T15:38:49Z] <midfavila> that's only counting inflation, not productivity increases
[2025-11-25T16:12:02Z] <sad_plan> which is utterly insane really, if you ask me. but thats capitalism for you, as you said...
[2025-11-25T16:13:04Z] <midfavila> one of my neighbours is a nice enough guy but he's silly about this stuff
[2025-11-25T16:13:39Z] <sad_plan> does he belive the world to be something else?
[2025-11-25T16:13:48Z] <midfavila> i'll explain how the central bank manages inflation and shit at the expense of labour in order to enrich capital and how there's the different dynamics at play and shit and he just turns his brain off and goes "uhhhhh actually mid it's not capitalism it's CRONYISM"
[2025-11-25T16:14:01Z] <midfavila> "if the GOVERNMENT didn't pick winners and losers then the market would self-correct!!!"
[2025-11-25T16:14:04Z] <midfavila> and it's like-
[2025-11-25T16:14:18Z] <midfavila> dude in the absence of a state capitalists will spontaneously form a state
[2025-11-25T16:14:33Z] <midfavila> like what the fuck do you think the banana republics were
[2025-11-25T16:14:37Z] <midfavila> chiquita fascism
[2025-11-25T16:14:38Z] <midfavila> unironically
[2025-11-25T16:15:52Z] <midfavila> capitalism produces winners and losers in the market, and once those winners have accumulated enough capital, that can be translated into political power
[2025-11-25T16:16:08Z] <midfavila> which is then leveraged to create even more capital through the manufacture of favourable conditions for business
[2025-11-25T16:23:58Z] <midfavila> man
[2025-11-25T16:24:01Z] <midfavila> now i want a banana
[2025-11-25T16:26:28Z] <midfavila> watching this video about food prices in america, ughhhhhhhh
[2025-11-25T16:26:36Z] <midfavila> it's so bullshit how much more expensive the same stuff is in canada
[2025-11-25T16:28:23Z] <sad_plan> exacly. i once read a quote from i think it was rothchild or some rich basdard. 'it does not matter who holds power, if you control the money, you control the power' or some along those lines. which is true. 
[2025-11-25T16:29:00Z] <sad_plan> looking at the *federal* reserve, this only makes sense
[2025-11-25T16:29:12Z] <sad_plan> seeing as its ironically privalty owned
[2025-11-25T16:29:51Z] <midfavila> that wouldn't be a problem for the rest of the world if we didn't use the USD as a reserve currency
[2025-11-25T16:30:00Z] <midfavila> this isn't about the oooo spoooky federal reserve
[2025-11-25T16:30:11Z] <midfavila> under capitalism, all central banks, publically or privately owned, serve capitalists
[2025-11-25T16:31:05Z] <midfavila> the central bank of canada wasn't even independent from the government proper until a little while ago, like a few decades maybe, and it still has zero problems creating the conditions for mass unemployment if it means controlling inflation
[2025-11-25T16:32:05Z] <sad_plan> i think we would be better of if the central bank didnt operate out of their own agenda, instead for the good of the public
[2025-11-25T16:32:26Z] <midfavila> you don't get it
[2025-11-25T16:32:36Z] <midfavila> the government writ large doesn't operate in the interest of the public
[2025-11-25T16:32:44Z] <midfavila> it doesn't matter whether or not it's public or private
[2025-11-25T16:33:12Z] <midfavila> wealth inequality has created a situation where the majority are irrelevant 
[2025-11-25T16:33:23Z] <midfavila> at least here. idk about norway
[2025-11-25T16:34:05Z] <midfavila> combine that with a population that's ignorant of civics and like
[2025-11-25T16:34:08Z] <midfavila> proud of that
[2025-11-25T16:34:19Z] <midfavila> and the modicum of democracy that we do have becomes worthless
[2025-11-25T16:36:05Z] <sad_plan> maybe you shouldve become a politican
[2025-11-25T16:36:22Z] <midfavila> >no money
[2025-11-25T16:37:42Z] <sad_plan> theres lots of money in being a politician. but only if you dont steer the ship torwards the publics best interest
[2025-11-25T16:38:05Z] <sad_plan> norwegian politicians have more money than most even
[2025-11-25T16:38:19Z] <midfavila> no you misunderstand
[2025-11-25T16:38:28Z] <midfavila> i have no money so i can't get elected
[2025-11-25T16:38:29Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-11-25T16:38:57Z] <midfavila> i've had people irl tell me that they would vote for me if i ran but to cover even the basic costs of a *municipal* campaign you need tens of thousands of dollars just kicking around
[2025-11-25T16:39:12Z] <midfavila> that means either corporate backing, which, like, i'm not going to get that, come on
[2025-11-25T16:39:18Z] <midfavila> or private donations
[2025-11-25T16:39:34Z] <midfavila> and the interests i would have on my platform wouldn't exactly be appealing to the so-called "middle class"
[2025-11-25T16:39:49Z] <midfavila> that and i'm far too hot-headed to do the whole smarmy politician thing
[2025-11-25T16:49:52Z] <sad_plan> right
[2025-11-25T16:50:55Z] <midfavila> who knows though
[2025-11-25T16:50:59Z] <midfavila> future is unpredictable
[2025-11-25T17:02:40Z] <Ozymandias42> good thing election advertisement costs are state sponsored by law in germany. at least for federal level elections and specifically for parties. 
[2025-11-25T17:24:46Z] <midfavila> they aren't here
[2025-11-25T17:25:05Z] <midfavila> groups with "official party status" get a portion of their costs back as tax refunds
[2025-11-25T17:25:16Z] <midfavila> but that's only at the provincial and federal levels
[2025-11-25T17:25:47Z] <Ozymandias42> huh interesting. so that's similar to how it works here. didn't think that was done in the states
[2025-11-25T17:25:50Z] <midfavila> if i was going to run it would be either as an independent or, more likely, with the communist party, although i need to study more before even considering the latter
[2025-11-25T17:25:55Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: canada
[2025-11-25T17:26:01Z] <midfavila> idk about america
[2025-11-25T17:26:08Z] <Ozymandias42> ...right. that makes MUCH more sense to be more sensible
[2025-11-25T17:26:35Z] <Ozymandias42> sorry that I forgot btw. should have known you're canadian
[2025-11-25T17:27:03Z] <Ozylover162> Ozymandias42
[2025-11-25T17:27:09Z] <midfavila> owO
[2025-11-25T17:27:15Z] <midfavila> wow i wonder who this could be
[2025-11-25T17:27:17Z] <Ozymandias42> ???
[2025-11-25T17:27:18Z] <Ozylover162> yeah idk
[2025-11-25T17:27:22Z] <midfavila> are you still dying eva
[2025-11-25T17:27:23Z] <Ozylover162> first time here
[2025-11-25T17:27:26Z] <midfavila> or did you get over the plague
[2025-11-25T17:27:26Z] <Ozylover162> how are we KISS LINUX
[2025-11-25T17:27:32Z] <Ozylover162> im okay
[2025-11-25T17:27:34Z] <Ozylover162> im healing
[2025-11-25T17:27:39Z] <midfavila> this is good
[2025-11-25T17:27:41Z] <Ozymandias42> was that 'first time here' towards me?
[2025-11-25T17:27:48Z] <Ozylover162> no its my first time here
[2025-11-25T17:27:48Z] <midfavila> no eva is just gaslighting us
[2025-11-25T17:27:51Z] <midfavila> as usual
[2025-11-25T17:27:52Z] <Ozylover162> ??
[2025-11-25T17:28:01Z] <Ozymandias42> not here for the first time. been here for ... 1½ months? something like that. got referred by kris
[2025-11-25T17:28:12Z] <midfavila> kris_ deltarune
[2025-11-25T17:28:22Z] <midfavila> everyone's favourite silent protagonist
[2025-11-25T17:28:35Z] <Ozylover162> how r u ozy
[2025-11-25T17:28:42Z] <Ozylover162> i've missed you so much
[2025-11-25T17:28:50Z] <kris_> midfavila: uhuh
[2025-11-25T17:29:04Z] <midfavila> (silent because he hates everyone else at school)
[2025-11-25T17:29:06Z] <kris_> my brain is rapidly wrinkling, it is moderately painful
[2025-11-25T17:29:07Z] <midfavila> (he's simmering with rage)
[2025-11-25T17:29:18Z] <Ozylover162> okay ignore me tysm
[2025-11-25T17:29:21Z] <kris_> my friend group is chill
[2025-11-25T17:29:35Z] <Ozymandias42> oh btw. mid do you know what the compose key sequence cccp does?
[2025-11-25T17:29:43Z] <midfavila> sewn: eva wants attention say hi
[2025-11-25T17:29:48Z] <sewn> hi eva
[2025-11-25T17:29:48Z] <sewn> where is she
[2025-11-25T17:29:49Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: reforms the soviet union and the gdr
[2025-11-25T17:29:50Z] <Ozymandias42> Ozylover162: I'm well hbu?
[2025-11-25T17:29:54Z] <sewn> wtf us
[2025-11-25T17:29:56Z] <sewn> wwhat hte fuck is happening here
[2025-11-25T17:30:29Z] <kris_> what the fuck's up dennys
[2025-11-25T17:30:42Z] <Ozymandias42> also for some reason said compose key sequence does not work here right now.
[2025-11-25T17:30:53Z] <midfavila> because germany is *cringe* now
[2025-11-25T17:30:58Z] <midfavila> sorry not sorry
[2025-11-25T17:30:59Z] <Ozymandias42> now?
[2025-11-25T17:31:09Z] <Ozymandias42> I thought we have been for the past 20 years...
[2025-11-25T17:31:35Z] <midfavila> at least 
[2025-11-25T17:31:38Z] <midfavila> it's okay we're all cringe
[2025-11-25T17:31:47Z] <Ozylover162> i'm half-alive
[2025-11-25T17:31:51Z] <Ozylover162> but better with you
[2025-11-25T17:31:51Z] <Ozylover162> ozy
[2025-11-25T17:31:53Z] <Ozylover162> Ozymandias42
[2025-11-25T17:32:06Z] <Ozymandias42> I mean in the early 2000s and prior to that we still had somewhat competent politicians not the idiots that govern us today
[2025-11-25T17:32:41Z] <Ozymandias42> well glad to be the one to make your life worth living then
[2025-11-25T17:32:55Z] <kris_> eva is all riled up huh
[2025-11-25T17:32:57Z] <midfavila> ozyluvvr
[2025-11-25T17:33:14Z] <midfavila> kris_: i think the mould reached eva's brain
[2025-11-25T17:33:14Z] <Ozylover162> riled up??
[2025-11-25T17:33:23Z] <midfavila> we need to amputate to save what's left
[2025-11-25T17:33:47Z] <Ozylover162> i havent even been drinking i dont know why u keep saying that
[2025-11-25T17:33:50Z] <Ozylover162> im not riled up
[2025-11-25T17:33:50Z] <Ozymandias42> ...what was the name of that brain fungus again?
[2025-11-25T17:33:57Z] <Ozylover162> im horny for meaning
[2025-11-25T17:34:04Z] <midfavila> rowlingbrain
[2025-11-25T17:34:07Z] <Ozymandias42> good thing to be horny for. philosophy is sexy
[2025-11-25T17:34:13Z] <Ozylover162> i like terrorisjng the kiss linux channel
[2025-11-25T17:34:17Z] <Ozylover162> i know u sigh when i get here
[2025-11-25T17:34:22Z] <Ozymandias42> makes sense. fun people here to rile up
[2025-11-25T17:34:26Z] <Ozylover162> right??
[2025-11-25T17:34:27Z] <midfavila> see kris_ that's why you shuold change majors
[2025-11-25T17:34:40Z] <midfavila> you can marry some nerd in bavaria and gtfo of america
[2025-11-25T17:34:43Z] <kris_> i think im dead and in hell for boiling water in a michael wave and eva is my tormentor 
[2025-11-25T17:34:51Z] <Ozylover162> HAHA
[2025-11-25T17:34:56Z] <midfavila> eva is actually the twenty goblins with shivs
[2025-11-25T17:35:20Z] <Ozylover162> im whatever ozy needs
[2025-11-25T17:35:27Z] <Ozymandias42> ..boiling water in the microwave is a-okay in my books. if a bit strange
[2025-11-25T17:35:31Z] <kris_> alright back to Solving the system of equations by substitution.
[2025-11-25T17:35:31Z] <midfavila> but also yes you're going to hell for putting water in the mic
[2025-11-25T17:35:34Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: this is for tea
[2025-11-25T17:35:35Z] <kris_> Ozymandias42: thank you
[2025-11-25T17:35:36Z] <Ozylover162> oh nevermind he lost me
[2025-11-25T17:35:39Z] <Ozymandias42> a lot more energy efficient than using a stove in any case
[2025-11-25T17:36:00Z] <midfavila> see look at what you've done
[2025-11-25T17:36:02Z] <Ozymandias42> best would naturally be an electric kettle but for some reason most americans seem to have something against those
[2025-11-25T17:36:04Z] <midfavila> you're stressing eva out
[2025-11-25T17:36:08Z] <kris_> jet - look what you've done
[2025-11-25T17:36:10Z] <kris_> good song
[2025-11-25T17:36:13Z] <kris_> i <3 jet
[2025-11-25T17:36:20Z] <midfavila> go solve your high school math problems kris_ 
[2025-11-25T17:36:26Z] <Ozymandias42> ..ah right. you put tea in cold water and THEN boil it in the microwave
[2025-11-25T17:36:27Z] <Ozymandias42> i remember
[2025-11-25T17:36:28Z] <kris_> eat pant old man
[2025-11-25T17:36:32Z] <Ozymandias42> yep hell for that
[2025-11-25T17:36:38Z] <Ozymandias42> but wasn't that weeks ago already?
[2025-11-25T17:36:39Z] <kris_> cmon man
[2025-11-25T17:36:44Z] <midfavila> it doesn't even BOIL
[2025-11-25T17:36:46Z] <midfavila> it just heats up
[2025-11-25T17:36:51Z] <kris_> I've been doing that daily for like 2 months
[2025-11-25T17:36:51Z] <midfavila> it sfuckin GROSS
[2025-11-25T17:36:52Z] <OzyHATER> its just
[2025-11-25T17:36:52Z] <OzyHATER> warm
[2025-11-25T17:36:54Z] <Ozymandias42> eh heat up long enough and it boils
[2025-11-25T17:36:54Z] <kris_> and yes it doesnt boil
[2025-11-25T17:36:58Z] <midfavila> like 
[2025-11-25T17:36:59Z] <kris_> i dont boil it
[2025-11-25T17:37:00Z] <midfavila> holy shit kris_ 
[2025-11-25T17:37:01Z] <midfavila> just 
[2025-11-25T17:37:05Z] <midfavila> use hot tap water at that point
[2025-11-25T17:37:07Z] <kris_> i intentionally just like make it the perfect temp
[2025-11-25T17:37:12Z] <midfavila> if you're going to go "MUH MUH 'FICIENCY"
[2025-11-25T17:37:19Z] <kris_> mid 
[2025-11-25T17:37:22Z] <kris_> mid mid midfavila 
[2025-11-25T17:37:23Z] <midfavila> no
[2025-11-25T17:37:24Z] <kris_> tsk
[2025-11-25T17:37:25Z] <midfavila> you're wrong
[2025-11-25T17:37:26Z] <Ozymandias42> ...I mean technically boiling is not necessary and sometimes even wrong. I think black tea is supposed to be brewed at 75-85°
[2025-11-25T17:37:38Z] <OzyHATER> get this guy out of here
[2025-11-25T17:37:38Z] <Ozymandias42> ..°C
[2025-11-25T17:37:39Z] <midfavila> you boil the water and let it sit for a bit
[2025-11-25T17:37:40Z] <OzyHATER> cut this guy off
[2025-11-25T17:37:41Z] <midfavila> like a minute
[2025-11-25T17:37:42Z] <midfavila> at most
[2025-11-25T17:38:01Z] <kris_> midfavila: im pissed that we dont get a calculator 
[2025-11-25T17:38:04Z] <midfavila> you know what? i bet you put your milk in first Ozymandias42 
[2025-11-25T17:38:06Z] <midfavila> kris_: why
[2025-11-25T17:38:07Z] <Ozymandias42> wow, you changed your opinion of me fast, love, didn't you?^^
[2025-11-25T17:38:11Z] <OzyHATER> HAHA
[2025-11-25T17:38:13Z] <kris_> and before you say anything im doing division with numbers in the millions 
[2025-11-25T17:38:20Z] <midfavila> cope
[2025-11-25T17:38:22Z] <kris_> so i think im justified to be like holy shit dude
[2025-11-25T17:38:27Z] <midfavila> nerp
[2025-11-25T17:38:29Z] <midfavila> cope
[2025-11-25T17:38:35Z] <midfavila> mathematics is the science of suffering
[2025-11-25T17:38:39Z] <midfavila> isn't that right dilyn
[2025-11-25T17:38:46Z] <Ozymandias42> manual division in the millions at uni.. 
[2025-11-25T17:38:48Z] <kris_> it's a shit ton of fun ngl it scratched an itch
[2025-11-25T17:38:54Z] <kris_> ive discovered something odd about myself
[2025-11-25T17:38:57Z] <kris_> i LOVE algebra
[2025-11-25T17:39:00Z] <midfavila> i mean once you get into it it's cool
[2025-11-25T17:39:00Z] <kris_> its so satisfying
[2025-11-25T17:39:02Z] <Ozymandias42> your education system isn't just going to the dogs it has already left them again
[2025-11-25T17:39:12Z] <midfavila> the forbidden arabic technique of al-jabr
[2025-11-25T17:39:13Z] <OzyHATER> i have no idea what kris_ does its like hes doing a different course everytime i come and say helo
[2025-11-25T17:39:24Z] <kris_> i have 5 classes rn
[2025-11-25T17:39:35Z] <Ozymandias42> he has a lot of courses. and not all technical
[2025-11-25T17:39:39Z] <OzyHATER> kris and his four other personalities
[2025-11-25T17:39:46Z] <midfavila> kris undertale
[2025-11-25T17:39:48Z] <Ozymandias42> also yeah maths is awesome
[2025-11-25T17:39:49Z] <midfavila> kris deltarune
[2025-11-25T17:39:51Z] <kris_> there is no defineable "kris"
[2025-11-25T17:39:55Z] <midfavila> kris earthbound halloween hack
[2025-11-25T17:39:57Z] <Ozymandias42> ..good thing it has little to nothing to do with numbers^^
[2025-11-25T17:40:03Z] <kris_> my philosophy professor is so cool though
[2025-11-25T17:40:07Z] <midfavila> kris ???
[2025-11-25T17:40:13Z] <Ozymandias42> oh that reminds me
[2025-11-25T17:40:15Z] <kris_> what
[2025-11-25T17:40:17Z] <kris_> midfavila: what
[2025-11-25T17:40:23Z] <Ozymandias42> recommendation here: The Simpsons and the Philosphy
[2025-11-25T17:40:27Z] <Ozymandias42> really great audiobook
[2025-11-25T17:40:30Z] <midfavila> what's the other two personalities 
[2025-11-25T17:40:43Z] <midfavila> aside from undertale, deltarune, and earthbound halloween hack
[2025-11-25T17:40:46Z] <kris_> oh boy ill explain later
[2025-11-25T17:40:46Z] <midfavila> kris homestuck
[2025-11-25T17:40:51Z] <Ozymandias42> from the time where the simpsons where still good btw
[2025-11-25T17:40:57Z] <midfavila> and kris tumblr ask blog
[2025-11-25T17:41:00Z] <kris_> my philosophy professor recommended me a bunch of visual novels
[2025-11-25T17:41:02Z] <midfavila> or wait kris ao3
[2025-11-25T17:41:05Z] <midfavila> i bet you read ao3
[2025-11-25T17:41:16Z] <OzyHATER> KRIS AO3
[2025-11-25T17:41:20Z] <Ozymandias42> kris_: let me guess: Doki Doki Literature Club about existentialism or sth?
[2025-11-25T17:41:26Z] <kris_> i was in her class like a full half an hour past the ending because she wanted to tell me about visual novels
[2025-11-25T17:41:33Z] <OzyHATER> deflect and deny
[2025-11-25T17:41:36Z] <midfavila> OzyHATER: i know you do too eva 
[2025-11-25T17:41:37Z] <kris_> nah some ones ive never heard of for a change
[2025-11-25T17:41:40Z] <OzyHATER> ?? i do not
[2025-11-25T17:41:45Z] <Ozymandias42> I prefer ff.net
[2025-11-25T17:41:47Z] <midfavila> ozy ao3
[2025-11-25T17:41:49Z] <kris_> i played DDLC like 8 times I'm good 
[2025-11-25T17:41:54Z] <kris_> dont wanna play again
[2025-11-25T17:41:58Z] <midfavila> the kisslinux house
[2025-11-25T17:42:16Z] <kris_> one she really wanted me to play is umineko
[2025-11-25T17:42:22Z] <Ozymandias42> ...does the stanley parable count as visual novel?
[2025-11-25T17:42:27Z] <kris_> said it changed her outlook on life so thats a huge recommendation
[2025-11-25T17:42:38Z] <midfavila> play steins;gate
[2025-11-25T17:42:40Z] <kris_> and one that was hyper fucked up
[2025-11-25T17:42:44Z] <Ozymandias42> steins;gate is fantastic
[2025-11-25T17:42:47Z] <kris_> that i am struggling to recall the name of
[2025-11-25T17:42:50Z] <Ozymandias42> total recommendation
[2025-11-25T17:42:54Z] <midfavila> ye
[2025-11-25T17:42:55Z] <Ozymandias42> ..the anime btw
[2025-11-25T17:42:59Z] <kris_> i tried with the steins gate anime and it was way too boring
[2025-11-25T17:43:01Z] <midfavila> the anime is also 
[2025-11-25T17:43:02Z] <midfavila> WHAT
[2025-11-25T17:43:02Z] <kris_> watched 3 eps
[2025-11-25T17:43:04Z] <OzyHATER> ur all like
[2025-11-25T17:43:04Z] <midfavila> W H A T
[2025-11-25T17:43:05Z] <OzyHATER> nerds btw
[2025-11-25T17:43:06Z] <midfavila> SHUT UP
[2025-11-25T17:43:07Z] <midfavila> SHUT UP
[2025-11-25T17:43:08Z] <Ozymandias42> it takes about 5 eps to really take off
[2025-11-25T17:43:10Z] <midfavila> GO AWAY
[2025-11-25T17:43:12Z] <midfavila> you're dead to me
[2025-11-25T17:43:14Z] <Ozymandias42> I agree though the first 3 are to sleep through
[2025-11-25T17:43:15Z] <kris_> eva you are what you eat
[2025-11-25T17:43:18Z] <kris_> (i eat nerds)
[2025-11-25T17:43:19Z] <OzyHATER> just saying
[2025-11-25T17:43:22Z] <kris_> the ropes specifically 
[2025-11-25T17:43:24Z] <midfavila> kris_: :gun:
[2025-11-25T17:43:28Z] <OzyHATER> not all of us are cut out to live in a body to watch anime all day
[2025-11-25T17:43:39Z] <OzyHATER> you three tho
[2025-11-25T17:43:40Z] <OzyHATER> my gosh
[2025-11-25T17:43:40Z] <midfavila> watch haibane renmei kris_ 
[2025-11-25T17:43:44Z] <kris_> i basicallt dont watch anime
[2025-11-25T17:43:50Z] <midfavila> eva shush
[2025-11-25T17:43:51Z] <kris_> i used to but not now
[2025-11-25T17:44:03Z] <midfavila> or i'll take ur dirty piss water away so you can't drink it any more
[2025-11-25T17:44:05Z] <Ozymandias42> I haven't watched anime in years. if I do watch something nowadays it's very rarely and only ocassionally
[2025-11-25T17:44:08Z] <midfavila> fuckin pg tips
[2025-11-25T17:44:09Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-11-25T17:44:14Z] <OzyHATER> ???????
[2025-11-25T17:44:37Z] <Ozymandias42> oh philosophy and anime how could I forget?
[2025-11-25T17:44:40Z] <Ozymandias42> Ergo Proxy
[2025-11-25T17:44:44Z] <Ozymandias42> that ones really great too
[2025-11-25T17:44:47Z] <midfavila> ergo proxy is okay
[2025-11-25T17:44:57Z] <midfavila> i kind of wish it hadn't gone super off the rails in the middle 
[2025-11-25T17:45:08Z] <midfavila> i liked the story it was telling with the first few eps
[2025-11-25T17:45:16Z] <OzyHATER> that is literally
[2025-11-25T17:45:18Z] <OzyHATER> it looks like
[2025-11-25T17:45:19Z] <midfavila> really cool art direction tho
[2025-11-25T17:45:23Z] <Ozymandias42> yeah. couldl have been better 
[2025-11-25T17:45:24Z] <OzyHATER> evanescence
[2025-11-25T17:45:26Z] <OzyHATER> however its spelled
[2025-11-25T17:45:31Z] <midfavila> eva it's from 2006
[2025-11-25T17:45:36Z] <Ozymandias42> but there's so few (mainly) philosophic animes
[2025-11-25T17:45:36Z] <midfavila> what do you expect from a mid 00s anime
[2025-11-25T17:45:47Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: i bet you have opinions about wolf's rain
[2025-11-25T17:45:48Z] <Ozymandias42> 90s and 00s anime was peak
[2025-11-25T17:45:56Z] <Ozymandias42> never watched wolfs rain
[2025-11-25T17:46:07Z] <midfavila> phoebos: when are we having a kiss linux anime night
[2025-11-25T17:46:09Z] <midfavila> make it happen
[2025-11-25T17:46:15Z] <midfavila> we can watch casualty too
[2025-11-25T17:46:24Z] <OzyHATER> please ban me if this ever happens
[2025-11-25T17:46:29Z] <midfavila> :V!
[2025-11-25T17:46:42Z] <midfavila> eva you would love to watch casualty with #kisslinux
[2025-11-25T17:46:45Z] <OzyHATER> have my photo on the wall thats like
[2025-11-25T17:46:47Z] <Ozymandias42> I have opinions on Elfenlied though. Only thing worth anything about that anime is the opening song.
[2025-11-25T17:46:50Z] <OzyHATER> "do not let this person in"
[2025-11-25T17:46:57Z] <Ozymandias42> I assume everyone here has watched Lain?
[2025-11-25T17:46:57Z] <midfavila> why
[2025-11-25T17:47:06Z] <midfavila> i am like the ONLY person here who has watched lain
[2025-11-25T17:47:07Z] <Ozymandias42> Lain is also a must for anyone who loves existentialist philosophy
[2025-11-25T17:47:07Z] <midfavila> it's insane
[2025-11-25T17:47:14Z] <midfavila> kris_: FUCKING WATCH LAIN
[2025-11-25T17:47:17Z] <OzyHATER> lain so so bad
[2025-11-25T17:47:20Z] <Ozymandias42> I love Lain
[2025-11-25T17:47:22Z] <midfavila> shut up eva
[2025-11-25T17:47:27Z] <midfavila> we love lain here
[2025-11-25T17:47:27Z] <OzyHATER> ive seen like
[2025-11-25T17:47:29Z] <kris_> midfavila: HOLY SHAT
[2025-11-25T17:47:32Z] <OzyHATER> two tiktok videos about it
[2025-11-25T17:47:33Z] <OzyHATER> and it was awful
[2025-11-25T17:47:38Z] <kris_> fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine
[2025-11-25T17:47:42Z] <midfavila> you were on tiktok what the fuck did you expect
[2025-11-25T17:47:43Z] <Ozymandias42> if you dislike Lain you probably have either not understood all the subtext or the pacing and philosophic undertones are just not your thing
[2025-11-25T17:47:50Z] <Ozymandias42> which is okay if regretable
[2025-11-25T17:47:52Z] <kris_> i have thanksgiving break after today
[2025-11-25T17:47:55Z] <kris_> 5 days of nothing
[2025-11-25T17:48:03Z] <OzyHATER> if its not on tiktok i cant be involved
[2025-11-25T17:48:05Z] <midfavila> i will swim to britain or ireland or wherever tf you are and bully you in person 
[2025-11-25T17:48:07Z] <kris_> no news on the happening front for the next 5 days
[2025-11-25T17:48:07Z] <OzyHATER> it has to be part of my ipad time
[2025-11-25T17:48:12Z] <OzyHATER> HAHA
[2025-11-25T17:48:15Z] <midfavila> i will break ur ipad
[2025-11-25T17:48:36Z] <midfavila> kris_: sike riots at the local walmart
[2025-11-25T17:48:40Z] <kris_> midfavila: we need to go there and shatter all of her electronics and replace with a Pentium 3 box running netbsd
[2025-11-25T17:48:42Z] <midfavila> trump said let them eat cake
[2025-11-25T17:48:48Z] <midfavila> kris_: this is agreeable
[2025-11-25T17:48:56Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: you can flank from the other side
[2025-11-25T17:49:07Z] <midfavila> ur done eva
[2025-11-25T17:49:11Z] <Ozymandias42> I take evas side. makes it fairer and she seems fun
[2025-11-25T17:49:16Z] <midfavila> WHAT
[2025-11-25T17:49:18Z] <Ozymandias42> ^^
[2025-11-25T17:49:20Z] <midfavila> that's horseshit
[2025-11-25T17:49:21Z] <OzyHATER> tysm
[2025-11-25T17:49:28Z] <OzyHATER> see i knew one of u liked me
[2025-11-25T17:49:29Z] <OzyHATER> sort of
[2025-11-25T17:49:30Z] <Ozymandias42> I like crazy people
[2025-11-25T17:49:30Z] <kris_> its not fair either way because us americans have glizwalds
[2025-11-25T17:49:33Z] <OzyHATER> CRAZY?
[2025-11-25T17:49:36Z] <OzyHATER> ban him too
[2025-11-25T17:49:38Z] <kris_> i was crazy once
[2025-11-25T17:49:39Z] <midfavila> no
[2025-11-25T17:49:41Z] <midfavila> you're insane eva
[2025-11-25T17:49:43Z] <Ozymandias42> well aren't we all? more or less..?
[2025-11-25T17:49:45Z] <midfavila> but it's part of your charm
[2025-11-25T17:49:51Z] <OzyHATER> dont flirt with me
[2025-11-25T17:49:57Z] <Ozymandias42> don't start it then^^
[2025-11-25T17:50:00Z] <midfavila> you're like the lady outside the drug store screeching at people to buy her a soda 
[2025-11-25T17:50:07Z] <midfavila> i walk past her every morning omw to the bus terminal 
[2025-11-25T17:50:27Z] <kris_> buy her a soda, its funnier to reward bad behavior compared to not
[2025-11-25T17:50:35Z] <midfavila> i already have lol
[2025-11-25T17:50:44Z] <midfavila> mostly bc i figure if she wants it that badly i can spare the two dollars
[2025-11-25T17:50:46Z] <OzyHATER> shes gna give u like
[2025-11-25T17:50:49Z] <OzyHATER> a whole shopping list
[2025-11-25T17:50:58Z] <OzyHATER> ur just running errands atp
[2025-11-25T17:51:02Z] <midfavila> i'm gonna tell her to go away and leave me alone
[2025-11-25T17:51:05Z] <kris_> purchase chimken
[2025-11-25T17:51:13Z] <midfavila> i can't AFFORD chicken kris
[2025-11-25T17:51:17Z] <midfavila> that shit is expensive
[2025-11-25T17:51:21Z] <kris_> slamon
[2025-11-25T17:51:24Z] <midfavila> fuckin bourgois shit over here
[2025-11-25T17:51:25Z] <midfavila> SALMON
[2025-11-25T17:51:32Z] <kris_> is salmon expensive
[2025-11-25T17:51:38Z] <midfavila> jesus christ i didn't realise i was in the presence of fucking royalty
[2025-11-25T17:51:40Z] <kris_> ive never bought that stuff on purpose i dont like it
[2025-11-25T17:51:45Z] <kris_> my dad loves it
[2025-11-25T17:51:53Z] <midfavila> salmon is like 45$ per kilo 
[2025-11-25T17:51:56Z] <midfavila> in my city
[2025-11-25T17:51:57Z] <kris_> tf
[2025-11-25T17:51:58Z] <OzyHATER> kris has a flight to fiji in two hours
[2025-11-25T17:52:00Z] <OzyHATER> apparently
[2025-11-25T17:52:04Z] <Ozymandias42> ...that's insanely expensive
[2025-11-25T17:52:15Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: food prices in canada are insane
[2025-11-25T17:52:29Z] <midfavila> my weekly shop is usually only 1-2 bags of groceries and it's without fail around 100CAD
[2025-11-25T17:52:35Z] <Ozymandias42> good decision to visit fiji while it's still above sealevel
[2025-11-25T17:52:40Z] <midfavila> sometimes 150CAD if i need produce or meat
[2025-11-25T17:52:44Z] <OzyHATER> what does this even mean
[2025-11-25T17:52:51Z] <OzyHATER> it goes underwater?
[2025-11-25T17:52:57Z] <midfavila> ye
[2025-11-25T17:53:01Z] <Ozymandias42> climate change and rising sea levels, yep
[2025-11-25T17:53:06Z] <OzyHATER> ur both lying
[2025-11-25T17:53:08Z] <Ozymandias42> fiji is going down under
[2025-11-25T17:53:09Z] <midfavila> inshallah britain will follow
[2025-11-25T17:53:10Z] <OzyHATER> im googling it
[2025-11-25T17:53:12Z] <midfavila> eliminate the eva threat
[2025-11-25T17:53:13Z] <OzyHATER> goolhoing
[2025-11-25T17:53:15Z] <OzyHATER> GOOGLING!
[2025-11-25T17:53:26Z] <kris_> im mad at you now
[2025-11-25T17:53:38Z] <kris_> not using search.kris.sh to add to our collective entropy smh
[2025-11-25T17:53:46Z] <OzyHATER> no way!
[2025-11-25T17:53:50Z] <Ozymandias42> britain is high enough to not have that issue. and if it does, well time to revive the great scottish kingdom^^
[2025-11-25T17:53:51Z] <OzyHATER> im not using searx soz
[2025-11-25T17:54:03Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: it's always fun to check the news and see what new mediaeval ailment has returned to canada
[2025-11-25T17:54:04Z] <kris_> i modified it a fair bit lol
[2025-11-25T17:54:06Z] <midfavila> so far we've got like
[2025-11-25T17:54:08Z] <midfavila> TB
[2025-11-25T17:54:11Z] <midfavila> scurvy
[2025-11-25T17:54:14Z] <midfavila> rickets
[2025-11-25T17:54:17Z] <midfavila> measles
[2025-11-25T17:54:19Z] <kris_> removed a few engines because they were spitting out nsfw results for basic queries 
[2025-11-25T17:54:25Z] <midfavila> waiting for the plague to make a comeback
[2025-11-25T17:54:28Z] <OzyHATER> can you host hearch
[2025-11-25T17:54:32Z] <OzyHATER> i dont know if they let u host it
[2025-11-25T17:54:34Z] <OzyHATER> its rly good
[2025-11-25T17:54:37Z] <midfavila> sost search
[2025-11-25T17:54:38Z] <Ozymandias42> well no surprise there. if groceries are that expensive all you have left to eat is nutrion-poor slop. 
[2025-11-25T17:54:45Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: yeah 
[2025-11-25T17:54:47Z] <kris_> i was babysitting my friends kids and one of them was standing over my shoulder asking me about black holes so i looked it up to give her a size scale image 
[2025-11-25T17:54:54Z] <kris_> can you imagine what black hole returned in images
[2025-11-25T17:54:57Z] <kris_> shes like 10 bro
[2025-11-25T17:55:01Z] <midfavila> i mean why tf do you think the stereotype about americans/NAers is that everyone is fat
[2025-11-25T17:55:08Z] <midfavila> it's not because everyone here just loves food lmao
[2025-11-25T17:55:19Z] <Ozymandias42> that is what save search exists for
[2025-11-25T17:55:24Z] <midfavila> it's because the only shit anyone can afford is processed garbage
[2025-11-25T17:55:29Z] <kris_> some engines like startpage dont respect that
[2025-11-25T17:55:30Z] <Ozymandias42> you don't turn that off by default for good reason
[2025-11-25T17:55:32Z] <kris_> which is why i removed it
[2025-11-25T17:55:37Z] <Ozymandias42> startpage does. for me at least
[2025-11-25T17:55:42Z] <kris_> not via searxng
[2025-11-25T17:55:50Z] <midfavila> just use wiby.me
[2025-11-25T17:55:52Z] <kris_> deviantart was another offender 
[2025-11-25T17:55:59Z] <midfavila> human-indexed search engine
[2025-11-25T17:56:07Z] <kris_> midfavila: I've got myself in a situation where a ton of people use my searxng
[2025-11-25T17:56:09Z] <midfavila> or curated or w/e
[2025-11-25T17:56:14Z] <midfavila> kris_: they can use wiby
[2025-11-25T17:56:15Z] <OzyHATER> https://hearch.co/
[2025-11-25T17:56:16Z] <OzyHATER> btw
[2025-11-25T17:56:28Z] <midfavila> not clicking on anything eva posts
[2025-11-25T17:56:39Z] <midfavila> untrustworhty individual 
[2025-11-25T17:56:39Z] <OzyHATER> we r so one sided
[2025-11-25T17:56:45Z] <midfavila> untrustworthy even
[2025-11-25T17:56:53Z] <midfavila> a SUSPICIOUS CHARACTER
[2025-11-25T17:56:55Z] <OzyHATER> i have nobody and i dont want to be alone
[2025-11-25T17:56:58Z] <OzyHATER> but midfavila is like
[2025-11-25T17:57:02Z] <OzyHATER> its okay let eva die
[2025-11-25T17:57:05Z] <sewn> OzyHATER: which city do you live in
[2025-11-25T17:57:06Z] <midfavila> it's true
[2025-11-25T17:57:08Z] <midfavila> i'm sorry
[2025-11-25T17:57:12Z] <midfavila> it has to be this way
[2025-11-25T17:57:13Z] <Ozymandias42> web search is unironically probably one thing LLMs are likely very useful for. Not to replace them but to use them for building better indexes and searching semantically. after all LLMs are natural language text transformators so they are perfectly suited for turning web pages into tags
[2025-11-25T17:57:18Z] <midfavila> you drink pg and i drink taylors
[2025-11-25T17:57:20Z] <midfavila> it was never meant to be
[2025-11-25T17:57:36Z] <OzyHATER> sewn i told u before
[2025-11-25T17:57:38Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: llms are only needed because people shit out slop into the trough using llms
[2025-11-25T17:57:38Z] <kris_> eva if you start using netbsd as a daily driver maybe we can talk
[2025-11-25T17:57:38Z] <OzyHATER> like three times
[2025-11-25T17:57:41Z] <sewn> i orget
[2025-11-25T17:57:42Z] <sewn> tell me
[2025-11-25T17:57:45Z] <OzyHATER> london
[2025-11-25T17:57:46Z] <OzyHATER> :D
[2025-11-25T17:57:48Z] <OzyHATER> ew
[2025-11-25T17:57:49Z] <OzyHATER> :D.
[2025-11-25T17:57:49Z] <sewn> i have a british boy that you could like
[2025-11-25T17:57:55Z] <Ozymandias42> yeah people generating AI slop non stop should be a criminal offense
[2025-11-25T17:58:00Z] <midfavila> are we talking about boys now
[2025-11-25T17:58:06Z] <kris_> i cannot believe #kisslinux is a dating ring now
[2025-11-25T17:58:07Z] <Ozymandias42> this not only wastes energy like crazy but also wastes bandwidth and storage space
[2025-11-25T17:58:16Z] <OzyHATER> i use openbsd lol
[2025-11-25T17:58:23Z] <sewn> i literally just sent one message
[2025-11-25T17:58:24Z] <Ozymandias42> for real?
[2025-11-25T17:58:25Z] <OzyHATER> ya
[2025-11-25T17:58:28Z] <kris_> fuck it close enough
[2025-11-25T17:58:30Z] <sewn> okay i guess eva does want to die
[2025-11-25T17:58:32Z] <sewn> alone
[2025-11-25T17:58:35Z] <OzyHATER> i replied???
[2025-11-25T17:58:35Z] <Ozymandias42> huh. I assume you compile everything yourself?
[2025-11-25T17:58:36Z] <midfavila> sewn: one message is enough
[2025-11-25T17:58:44Z] <sewn> OzyHATER: WHEN
[2025-11-25T17:58:45Z] <midfavila> eva has been forsaken
[2025-11-25T17:58:45Z] <OzyHATER> no not really
[2025-11-25T17:58:49Z] <sewn> plz use reply messages
[2025-11-25T17:58:59Z] <OzyHATER> no
[2025-11-25T17:58:59Z] <OzyHATER> sewn
[2025-11-25T17:59:00Z] <midfavila> sewn read faster
[2025-11-25T17:59:05Z] <sewn> ah yes
[2025-11-25T17:59:07Z] <midfavila> get the neuralink
[2025-11-25T17:59:08Z] <sewn> its my problem if you reply 
[2025-11-25T17:59:10Z] <midfavila> install the chip
[2025-11-25T17:59:10Z] <sewn> 5 messages later
[2025-11-25T17:59:13Z] <OzyHATER> HAHA
[2025-11-25T17:59:14Z] <sewn> after people send MORE messages
[2025-11-25T17:59:17Z] <midfavila> become the irc client
[2025-11-25T17:59:42Z] <Ozymandias42> I gotta agree with kris on openbsd. the pkg manager in there is shit. how do you deal with it, eva?
[2025-11-25T17:59:43Z] <sewn> EVA DO YOU WANT ONE OR NOT
[2025-11-25T17:59:47Z] <midfavila> maybe if you would watch lain you would know about the nature of communication 
[2025-11-25T17:59:59Z] <midfavila> and consensus reality and shit
[2025-11-25T17:59:59Z] <OzyHATER> its p good but also
[2025-11-25T18:00:03Z] <OzyHATER> i only have like
[2025-11-25T18:00:05Z] <midfavila> and you can get the scoop on the roswell incident 
[2025-11-25T18:00:07Z] <OzyHATER> chrome installed
[2025-11-25T18:00:10Z] <midfavila> >openbsd
[2025-11-25T18:00:11Z] <midfavila> >chrome
[2025-11-25T18:00:13Z] <midfavila> disgusting
[2025-11-25T18:00:14Z] <midfavila> gulag'd
[2025-11-25T18:00:15Z] <OzyHATER> leave me alone
[2025-11-25T18:00:16Z] <midfavila> gnulag'd
[2025-11-25T18:00:20Z] <Ozymandias42> ..I guess if you have only very few packages it's okay
[2025-11-25T18:00:30Z] <OzyHATER> i will let you leave me on my own
[2025-11-25T18:00:35Z] <Ozymandias42> ..actually has openbsd some linux compat layer like freebsd? 
[2025-11-25T18:00:36Z] <sewn> EVA
[2025-11-25T18:00:39Z] <sewn> ANSWER ME YOU BITCH
[2025-11-25T18:00:39Z] <kris_> idk netbsd just bombs openbsd for me if i want one or the other
[2025-11-25T18:00:40Z] <OzyHATER> dewn
[2025-11-25T18:00:41Z] <OzyHATER> snr
[2025-11-25T18:00:42Z] <OzyHATER> SEWN!
[2025-11-25T18:00:44Z] <kris_> Ozymandias42: no
[2025-11-25T18:00:50Z] * midfavila sprays sewn with the water bottle
[2025-11-25T18:00:51Z] <midfavila> bad
[2025-11-25T18:00:54Z] <OzyHATER> no just you
[2025-11-25T18:00:56Z] <OzyHATER> sewn
[2025-11-25T18:01:08Z] <sewn> What
[2025-11-25T18:01:09Z] <Ozymandias42> but cool. haven't met a real openbsd user yet. so awesome eva
[2025-11-25T18:01:12Z] <sewn> do you want a boy or not
[2025-11-25T18:01:12Z] <kris_> freebsd is fine if you want linux lite
[2025-11-25T18:01:18Z] <OzyHATER> ozymandias42 no theres no linux
[2025-11-25T18:01:19Z] <kris_> Ozymandias42: I've not introduced you to lenny?
[2025-11-25T18:01:19Z] <sewn> i need to get him a friend he is lonely
[2025-11-25T18:01:25Z] <OzyHATER> no!
[2025-11-25T18:01:28Z] <kris_> close friend of mine, he dailys openbsd
[2025-11-25T18:01:30Z] <OzyHATER> i sadi tyoy
[2025-11-25T18:01:31Z] <OzyHATER> you
[2025-11-25T18:01:34Z] <Ozymandias42> don't think so. do you mean the reddit alternative lenny?
[2025-11-25T18:01:37Z] <kris_> no
[2025-11-25T18:01:59Z] <midfavila> lmao #kisslinux is entertaining asf
[2025-11-25T18:01:59Z] <kris_> mr.leonard "has takes that are too spicy to be around most people" bsd
[2025-11-25T18:02:14Z] <kris_> I'll have to see if i can get him to rejoin the cafe
[2025-11-25T18:02:15Z] <Ozymandias42> ...Im kinda inspired to play with openbsd again to see how usable it would be for me if I actually attempted to use it
[2025-11-25T18:02:20Z] <Ozymandias42> might spin up a VM with it
[2025-11-25T18:02:23Z] <midfavila> use netbsd
[2025-11-25T18:02:29Z] <midfavila> netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd 
[2025-11-25T18:02:32Z] <OzyHATER> openbsd is just better netbsd
[2025-11-25T18:02:35Z] <midfavila> netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd netbsd 
[2025-11-25T18:02:35Z] <Ozymandias42> nah. I want it the hard way
[2025-11-25T18:02:37Z] <OzyHATER> like no reason to use net
[2025-11-25T18:02:41Z] <Ozymandias42> otherwise there's no point
[2025-11-25T18:02:41Z] <OzyHATER> at al
[2025-11-25T18:02:45Z] <midfavila> netbsd's crust is part of its charm
[2025-11-25T18:02:48Z] <midfavila> <3
[2025-11-25T18:03:03Z] <kris_> netbsd gives me the same vibes i got from slackware the last time i tried it
[2025-11-25T18:03:09Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-11-25T18:03:10Z] <kris_> theres no reason for that it just does
[2025-11-25T18:03:25Z] <OzyHATER> they're both horrible and only mid uses them?
[2025-11-25T18:03:25Z] <Ozymandias42> "How to use OpenBSD" Eva, et. al.^^
[2025-11-25T18:03:27Z] <kris_> except netbsd has a real package manager
[2025-11-25T18:03:39Z] <kris_> pkgin my beloved
[2025-11-25T18:03:39Z] <midfavila> wtf do you mean slackware doesn't have a real package manager you little shit
[2025-11-25T18:03:48Z] <kris_> Eat Pant MidFavila 
[2025-11-25T18:03:55Z] <midfavila> learn to use a computer
[2025-11-25T18:03:56Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-11-25T18:03:59Z] <OzyHATER> ozymandias42 its rly slow though
[2025-11-25T18:04:02Z] <kris_> computer to use a learn
[2025-11-25T18:04:03Z] <OzyHATER> it puts a lot of ppl off of it
[2025-11-25T18:04:18Z] <Ozymandias42> yeah I noticed that. still have a VM with it lying around on my cluster I think
[2025-11-25T18:04:25Z] <midfavila> i've changed my mind
[2025-11-25T18:04:31Z] <midfavila> america is going to sink before england
[2025-11-25T18:04:59Z] <kris_> eva you should be a british rapper called Barliament
[2025-11-25T18:05:00Z] <OzyHATER> my macbook takes two seconds to boot but my personal openbsd one takes like
[2025-11-25T18:05:03Z] <OzyHATER> a  minute
[2025-11-25T18:05:03Z] <OzyHATER> lol
[2025-11-25T18:05:21Z] <OzyHATER> kris should be an american called silence
[2025-11-25T18:05:21Z] <Ozymandias42> probably because openbsd does KASRL at boot
[2025-11-25T18:05:38Z] <midfavila> kris_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sujIgNXXaZw
[2025-11-25T18:05:42Z] <kris_> i already have my rap name
[2025-11-25T18:05:46Z] <kris_> Papa Squat
[2025-11-25T18:05:51Z] <OzyHATER> ??
[2025-11-25T18:06:00Z] <midfavila> i just got a british advert for google gemini
[2025-11-25T18:06:01Z] <midfavila> disgusting
[2025-11-25T18:06:03Z] <Ozymandias42> Kernel Adress Space Random Linking
[2025-11-25T18:06:09Z] <OzyHATER> no i meant
[2025-11-25T18:06:12Z] <kris_> though i like Lactose The Intolerant
[2025-11-25T18:06:13Z] <OzyHATER> ?? to papa squat
[2025-11-25T18:06:21Z] <OzyHATER> we're not just going to go onto another thing
[2025-11-25T18:06:24Z] <OzyHATER> what the hell is papa squatr
[2025-11-25T18:06:34Z] <Ozymandias42> no idea either
[2025-11-25T18:06:58Z] <midfavila> eva 
[2025-11-25T18:06:59Z] <midfavila> eva
[2025-11-25T18:06:59Z] <midfavila> eva
[2025-11-25T18:07:00Z] <midfavila> eva
[2025-11-25T18:07:00Z] <midfavila> eva
[2025-11-25T18:07:02Z] <kris_> Awolnation - Sail
[2025-11-25T18:07:06Z] <OzyHATER> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZs7exzSO1A
[2025-11-25T18:07:07Z] <midfavila> watch my funny youtube video
[2025-11-25T18:07:09Z] <midfavila> kris_: awoonation
[2025-11-25T18:07:21Z] <kris_> i bet you would
[2025-11-25T18:07:35Z] <midfavila> owo?
[2025-11-25T18:07:36Z] <Ozymandias42> anyway. was lovely finally meeting you eva. I'm off to dinner for now, cya guys o/
[2025-11-25T18:07:40Z] <kris_> ttyl
[2025-11-25T18:07:41Z] <OzyHATER> oh u hate me
[2025-11-25T18:07:42Z] <OzyHATER> okay
[2025-11-25T18:13:02Z] <kris_> yeah im gonna do really fucking bad on this examors 
[2025-11-25T18:13:04Z] <kris_> exam 
[2025-11-25T18:13:12Z] <kris_> sorry my client auto filled someones name
[2025-11-25T18:16:12Z] <midfavila> >examors
[2025-11-25T18:16:28Z] <midfavila> gonna be really confused when they check
[2025-11-25T18:16:28Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-11-25T18:18:17Z] <kris_> ive not decided what to do with my thanksgiving break yet
[2025-11-25T18:18:25Z] <kris_> i may play through silent hill 2
[2025-11-25T18:18:42Z] <kris_> i could set up a really cool project ive been thinking about for a while at the same time
[2025-11-25T18:26:11Z] <midfavila> watch lain
[2025-11-25T18:35:10Z] <kris_> maybe
[2025-11-25T18:51:17Z] <midfavila> makin a sammich
[2025-11-25T18:51:25Z] <midfavila> ham and cheese w/ mustard and mayo
[2025-11-25T18:51:31Z] <midfavila> on sourdough
[2025-11-25T18:51:38Z] <midfavila> =w=
[2025-11-25T19:11:05Z] <kris_> sounds good other than mustard but i dont wanna gatekeep another persons sandwich
[2025-11-25T19:20:32Z] <Ozymandias42> ..actually horseradish is nice on some meats too
[2025-11-25T19:20:59Z] <Ozymandias42> especially on one specific one but I can't even remember the german name right now...
[2025-11-25T19:22:13Z] <midfavila> kris_: it's not american mustard
[2025-11-25T19:22:21Z] <midfavila> bland nasty ass shit
[2025-11-25T19:22:23Z] <midfavila> i use keens
[2025-11-25T19:22:53Z] <Ozymandias42> right. good mustard needs bite to it
[2025-11-25T19:22:54Z] <midfavila> really nice spicy mustard with a slightly tangy, slightly sweet taste
[2025-11-25T19:22:58Z] <midfavila> very like
[2025-11-25T19:23:01Z] <midfavila> almost thick 
[2025-11-25T19:23:06Z] <midfavila> as opposed to a runny texture
[2025-11-25T19:23:26Z] <midfavila> https://digital.loblaws.ca/PCX/20048957_EA/en/1/20048957_enfr_front_800.png
[2025-11-25T19:23:29Z] <midfavila> certified hood classic
[2025-11-25T19:23:36Z] <midfavila> phoebos: back me up on this keens is goated right
[2025-11-25T19:23:48Z] <midfavila> it 'slaps' as the youth say
[2025-11-25T19:23:55Z] <midfavila> kris_: you're a youth, do they still say things 'slap'
[2025-11-25T19:24:30Z] <kris_> you're younger than me goofball
[2025-11-25T19:24:39Z] <kris_> idk what people say now other than "67"
[2025-11-25T19:24:52Z] <midfavila> what
[2025-11-25T19:24:55Z] <midfavila> what month were you born in
[2025-11-25T19:24:59Z] <kris_> june
[2025-11-25T19:25:04Z] <midfavila> 2001?
[2025-11-25T19:25:11Z] <kris_> maybe you're older then
[2025-11-25T19:25:13Z] <kris_> 2002
[2025-11-25T19:25:16Z] <midfavila> see
[2025-11-25T19:25:21Z] <midfavila> you're a youth
[2025-11-25T19:25:23Z] <midfavila> a child
[2025-11-25T19:25:24Z] <midfavila> a smol bean
[2025-11-25T19:25:24Z] <kris_> you're younger than me at heart
[2025-11-25T19:25:26Z] <Ozymandias42> ..youngsters, the two of you :D
[2025-11-25T19:25:41Z] <midfavila> i wear tweed, that automatically makes me old
[2025-11-25T19:25:47Z] <midfavila> kris wears band tees and shit
[2025-11-25T19:25:49Z] <kris_> oldass
[2025-11-25T19:25:50Z] <Ozymandias42> ..fair point
[2025-11-25T19:25:51Z] <midfavila> eternal hot topic tween
[2025-11-25T19:26:01Z] <kris_> midfavila: i look great
[2025-11-25T19:26:09Z] <midfavila> you'll tear my hariss tweed from my cold dead fucking hands istg
[2025-11-25T19:26:13Z] <midfavila> harris even
[2025-11-25T19:26:18Z] <midfavila> wtf kind of srtoke was that
[2025-11-25T19:26:20Z] <kris_> slightly oversized hoodies and black cargo pants at the moment
[2025-11-25T19:26:24Z] <midfavila> god DAMN parkinsons hitting hard today
[2025-11-25T19:26:27Z] <Ozymandias42> ..I wear a coat and italian leather shoes
[2025-11-25T19:26:43Z] <Ozymandias42> both not what you might think with those words though^^
[2025-11-25T19:26:51Z] <midfavila> dery: Ozymandias42 is making leather from italians
[2025-11-25T19:26:51Z] <midfavila> run
[2025-11-25T19:26:53Z] <midfavila> you are in danger
[2025-11-25T19:26:56Z] <Ozymandias42> lol
[2025-11-25T19:27:14Z] <midfavila> RUN DERY
[2025-11-25T19:27:36Z] <Ozymandias42> well italian cow leather as opposed to either not leather at all or fake leather that most (non business) shoes are
[2025-11-25T19:27:47Z] <midfavila> 'pleather'
[2025-11-25T19:27:49Z] <midfavila> or fuckin
[2025-11-25T19:27:51Z] <midfavila> bonded leather
[2025-11-25T19:27:52Z] <midfavila> eugh
[2025-11-25T19:28:03Z] <midfavila> if i buy leather it's always topgrain 
[2025-11-25T19:28:27Z] <midfavila> usually cow's leather although i have some sheepskin stuff with the wool still on
[2025-11-25T19:28:35Z] <Ozymandias42> same usually. this time it's not though. smooth leather. 
[2025-11-25T19:28:45Z] <Ozymandias42> oh that sounds like awesome shoes, those with sheepskin and wool
[2025-11-25T19:28:56Z] <midfavila> my boots are just leather
[2025-11-25T19:29:05Z] <midfavila> my winter mitts are wool and sheepskin
[2025-11-25T19:29:14Z] <midfavila> i bought them from an artist's cooperative in the city i used to live in 
[2025-11-25T19:29:22Z] <midfavila> best sixty bucks i've ever spent
[2025-11-25T19:29:24Z] <Ozymandias42> speaking of shoes this reminds me of sth. gimme a moment too google it to copy paste here
[2025-11-25T19:29:32Z] <midfavila> i do have wool socks tho
[2025-11-25T19:29:38Z] <midfavila> only wool socks. 
[2025-11-25T19:29:53Z] <midfavila> i have eight pairs of merino hiking socks and two pairs of wool winter socks 
[2025-11-25T19:30:03Z] <Ozymandias42> https://terrypratchett.com/explore-discworld/sam-vimes-boots-theory-of-socio-economic-unfairness/
[2025-11-25T19:30:05Z] <midfavila> usually i'll wear the winter socks over the hiking socks since they're sort of thin
[2025-11-25T19:30:08Z] <midfavila> oh, yes
[2025-11-25T19:30:11Z] <midfavila> the boots theory
[2025-11-25T19:30:20Z] <midfavila> i read discworld when i was really young, like 5-6
[2025-11-25T19:30:22Z] <Ozymandias42> you're a man of culture knowing terry pratchet
[2025-11-25T19:30:30Z] <Ozymandias42> I absolutely loved the novels
[2025-11-25T19:30:34Z] <Ozymandias42> read almost all of them
[2025-11-25T19:30:36Z] <midfavila> i've always remembered the 'boots theory'
[2025-11-25T19:31:02Z] <midfavila> it's largely what motivates my purchasing decisions. esp these days with how everything is going to shit and you can't even fix things any more
[2025-11-25T19:31:13Z] <midfavila> like you can buy a 200$ pair of shoes and the soles are just
[2025-11-25T19:31:14Z] <midfavila> >glued on
[2025-11-25T19:31:23Z] <midfavila> totally unfixable once they break
[2025-11-25T19:31:37Z] <midfavila> or they're thin and shitty or the material is just not worth salvaging 
[2025-11-25T19:31:38Z] <midfavila> etc
[2025-11-25T19:31:48Z] <Ozymandias42> yep. then again fixing is manual work that you can't pay anyone for anymore either with todays wages
[2025-11-25T19:32:02Z] <Ozymandias42> thats the other side
[2025-11-25T19:32:07Z] <midfavila> just have to do it yourself
[2025-11-25T19:32:18Z] <Ozymandias42> which also costs time and knowledge and tools 
[2025-11-25T19:32:22Z] <midfavila> it's intimidating at first but it's really satisfying to be able to do stuff
[2025-11-25T19:32:24Z] <midfavila> yeah 
[2025-11-25T19:32:28Z] <midfavila> there's a limit to it unfortunately
[2025-11-25T19:32:37Z] <Ozymandias42> so it might not be worth it either monetarily or your time
[2025-11-25T19:32:38Z] <midfavila> you have to be clever about it at times
[2025-11-25T19:32:51Z] <midfavila> well, the thing for me is whether or not it's going to introduce additional stress
[2025-11-25T19:32:54Z] <midfavila> like
[2025-11-25T19:32:56Z] <midfavila> if my boots break
[2025-11-25T19:33:01Z] <Ozymandias42> true. being able to do things yourself is a great thing and should be supported wherever possible
[2025-11-25T19:33:01Z] <midfavila> i don't want to spend the money to buy a new pair
[2025-11-25T19:33:07Z] <midfavila> nor do i want to spend the time waiting for a new pair to be delivered
[2025-11-25T19:33:09Z] <Ozymandias42> it's surely at least partly why we host things ourselves
[2025-11-25T19:33:14Z] <Ozymandias42> makes us feel good about ourselves
[2025-11-25T19:33:17Z] <midfavila> i would much rather just 
[2025-11-25T19:33:18Z] <midfavila> >fix it
[2025-11-25T19:33:27Z] <midfavila> so it takes an afternoon or three, whatever. still faster and cheaper 
[2025-11-25T19:33:42Z] <midfavila> it's not like i have anything else to do anyway
[2025-11-25T19:34:15Z] <midfavila> that reminds me, i need to get a seam ripper
[2025-11-25T19:34:20Z] <midfavila> need to replace some zippers 
[2025-11-25T19:34:36Z] <midfavila> and maybe reline and re-insulate my coat...
[2025-11-25T19:35:18Z] <midfavila> oh man i think you would really like my coat actually. it's this super nice leather single-breasted peacoat
[2025-11-25T19:35:28Z] <midfavila> really thick supple topgrain leather
[2025-11-25T19:35:48Z] <midfavila> it was made in ontario actually come to find out years after finding it for twenty bucks at a secondhand store
[2025-11-25T19:36:57Z] <midfavila> https://www.guelphtoday.com/local-news/the-olde-hide-house-in-acton-closing-after-165-years-9732876
[2025-11-25T19:37:15Z] <midfavila> the coat's manufacturer's mark says these guys made it
[2025-11-25T19:37:25Z] <Ozymandias42> nice
[2025-11-25T19:37:40Z] <Ozymandias42> leather coat for 20 bucks is very cheap
[2025-11-25T19:37:43Z] <Ozymandias42> even second hand
[2025-11-25T19:37:57Z] <midfavila> i think it's because it's an older style and it's not like
[2025-11-25T19:38:00Z] <midfavila> a leather *jacket*
[2025-11-25T19:38:06Z] <midfavila> like it's not trendy at all lol
[2025-11-25T19:38:22Z] <midfavila> but i don't really care because it's comfy and really, really well made
[2025-11-25T19:38:22Z] <Ozymandias42> not trendy just means you can be a trend-_setter_
[2025-11-25T19:38:50Z] <midfavila> i've worn it for going on ten years now and the only problems with it are a little nick in the leather on one of the sleeves and the lining being torn to shit
[2025-11-25T19:39:20Z] <Ozymandias42> I even have a Prince Heinrich Hat for my outfit but I only very rarely wear it. It draws a ridiculous amount of stares going outside wearing that
[2025-11-25T19:39:21Z] <midfavila> versus those garbage polyester coats people buy that fall apart after a year or two
[2025-11-25T19:39:37Z] <midfavila> oh, i have a similar hat
[2025-11-25T19:40:03Z] <Ozymandias42> if I also wear my thick norwegian style sweater I look like some captain
[2025-11-25T19:40:16Z] <midfavila> not https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner%27s_cap
[2025-11-25T19:40:20Z] <midfavila> not exactly the same
[2025-11-25T19:40:21Z] <midfavila> but yeah
[2025-11-25T19:40:51Z] <OzyHATER> 19:25 <midfavila> i wear tweed
[2025-11-25T19:40:52Z] <OzyHATER> HAHA
[2025-11-25T19:41:03Z] <midfavila> rude
[2025-11-25T19:41:04Z] <Ozymandias42> welcome back Eva o/
[2025-11-25T19:41:11Z] <OzyHATER> how was ur food
[2025-11-25T19:41:11Z] <midfavila> it's comfy 
[2025-11-25T19:41:14Z] <Ozymandias42> it was nice
[2025-11-25T19:41:41Z] <Ozymandias42> I had lentil soup
[2025-11-25T19:41:52Z] <midfavila> lentils are awesome
[2025-11-25T19:41:54Z] <midfavila> what kind of lentils
[2025-11-25T19:42:02Z] <Ozymandias42> I have no idea. 
[2025-11-25T19:42:09Z] <OzyHATER> what sort of question is that
[2025-11-25T19:42:19Z] <OzyHATER> name three lentil types for me
[2025-11-25T19:42:20Z] <midfavila> there's like a billion kinds of lentils eva
[2025-11-25T19:42:21Z] <OzyHATER> right now
[2025-11-25T19:42:24Z] <midfavila> red lentil
[2025-11-25T19:42:25Z] <midfavila> green lentil
[2025-11-25T19:42:27Z] <midfavila> beluga lentil
[2025-11-25T19:42:32Z] <midfavila> done
[2025-11-25T19:42:34Z] <OzyHATER> whatevs u wear tweed
[2025-11-25T19:42:39Z] <midfavila> says the londoner
[2025-11-25T19:43:11Z] <midfavila> at least it's not london ontario
[2025-11-25T19:43:15Z] <midfavila> london ontario fucking sucks
[2025-11-25T19:43:19Z] <Ozymandias42> well the normal green ones then I guess. 
[2025-11-25T19:43:31Z] <midfavila> green ones are okayyy
[2025-11-25T19:43:36Z] <midfavila> i prefer black ones for soup 
[2025-11-25T19:44:11Z] <OzyHATER> cant believe ur judging him for his lentil choice
[2025-11-25T19:44:30Z] <midfavila> i'm not lol
[2025-11-25T19:44:30Z] <Ozymandias42> eh. like the old say goes: De gustibus non est disputandum
[2025-11-25T19:44:40Z] <OzyHATER> sure
[2025-11-25T19:44:41Z] <midfavila> go aWAY eva
[2025-11-25T19:44:42Z] <OzyHATER> whatever that means
[2025-11-25T19:44:44Z] <midfavila> :gun:
[2025-11-25T19:44:54Z] <midfavila> fuckin chaotic neutral lookin ass
[2025-11-25T19:44:58Z] <Ozymandias42> ...was just about to say let her be
[2025-11-25T19:45:08Z] <midfavila> eva comes and goes all the time pff
[2025-11-25T19:45:28Z] <Ozymandias42> yeah I'd like to see her stay for a bit. she seems interesting to have around
[2025-11-25T19:45:58Z] <OzyHATER> you tell him ozy
[2025-11-25T19:46:03Z] <OzyHATER> fkn lentil expert over here
[2025-11-25T19:46:03Z] <midfavila> that's right you get 'im
[2025-11-25T19:46:08Z] <Ozymandias42> I knew you had a bouncer :D
[2025-11-25T19:46:10Z] <midfavila> show mid what for
[2025-11-25T19:46:23Z] <midfavila> give him a round of the ol' fisticuffs
[2025-11-25T19:47:03Z] <Ozymandias42> ...fisticuffs is an interesting word. what do the cuffs do in that word?
[2025-11-25T19:47:26Z] <midfavila> i mean when i was younger my parents always used "cuff" as a synonym for "strike"
[2025-11-25T19:47:42Z] <midfavila> but that also might just be the regional dialect
[2025-11-25T19:47:58Z] <OzyHATER> ur german
[2025-11-25T19:47:59Z] <OzyHATER> ?
[2025-11-25T19:48:01Z] <Ozymandias42> I am
[2025-11-25T19:48:07Z] <OzyHATER> yuck!
[2025-11-25T19:48:12Z] <OzyHATER> what do u like about it
[2025-11-25T19:48:26Z] <Ozymandias42> about being german? having good consumer protections
[2025-11-25T19:48:41Z] <Ozymandias42> good social state
[2025-11-25T19:48:56Z] <Ozymandias42> comparatively cheap groceries. 
[2025-11-25T19:49:36Z] <Ozymandias42> there a lot to like. when I complain it's pretty much complaining on a very high niveau.. comparatively speaking
[2025-11-25T19:49:43Z] <midfavila> yeah cuff is just an older english verb meaning "to strike" so 
[2025-11-25T19:50:04Z] <OzyHATER> in ur household maybe ya
[2025-11-25T19:50:10Z] <midfavila> i'm willing to put money on "fisticuff" being either a contraction or a corruption or some sort between "fist" and "cuff"
[2025-11-25T19:50:11Z] <Ozymandias42> so how come the cuffs on a shirt are known as cuffs?
[2025-11-25T19:50:14Z] <midfavila> what you've never heard anyone say like
[2025-11-25T19:50:18Z] <Ozymandias42> what does striking have to do with those then?
[2025-11-25T19:50:19Z] <midfavila> "cuff him upside the head" or some shit?
[2025-11-25T19:50:21Z] <OzyHATER> no
[2025-11-25T19:50:25Z] <OzyHATER> like at all
[2025-11-25T19:50:29Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: homophones
[2025-11-25T19:50:34Z] <Ozymandias42> I have the word more in the other context too
[2025-11-25T19:50:34Z] <OzyHATER> dont call him that
[2025-11-25T19:50:43Z] <midfavila> i was calling the WORD that
[2025-11-25T19:50:48Z] <midfavila> STOP bullying me eva
[2025-11-25T19:50:52Z] <Ozymandias42> a homophone is a word that sounds the same but has a different meaning as another
[2025-11-25T19:50:57Z] <OzyHATER> thats not what he meant
[2025-11-25T19:51:00Z] <OzyHATER> mid just cant spell
[2025-11-25T19:51:09Z] <midfavila> or i'll replace all of the teabags in your house with taylors
[2025-11-25T19:51:12Z] <Ozymandias42> in this case it's however not just a homophone but a homonym
[2025-11-25T19:51:16Z] <OzyHATER> HAHA
[2025-11-25T19:51:19Z] <Ozymandias42> because it's also written the same way
[2025-11-25T19:51:24Z] <OzyHATER> ozy ur my fave
[2025-11-25T19:51:28Z] <midfavila> true enough
[2025-11-25T19:51:31Z] <Ozymandias42> thanks :D
[2025-11-25T19:52:10Z] <Ozymandias42> a word meaning the opposite of another btw is an antonym
[2025-11-25T19:52:27Z] <midfavila> https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/cuff_1
[2025-11-25T19:52:30Z] <midfavila> uhmmm ackchooully eva
[2025-11-25T19:52:42Z] <midfavila> "a light hit with an open hand"
[2025-11-25T19:53:57Z] <Ozymandias42> ...gotta look up what a heteronym was now...
[2025-11-25T19:54:42Z] <Ozymandias42> ah nice a heteronym has the same spelling as another word but a different meaning and pronounciation
[2025-11-25T19:55:18Z] <Ozymandias42> so potatoe and potatoe
[2025-11-25T19:55:30Z] <kris_> potato never has an e
[2025-11-25T19:55:38Z] <kris_> about to take my math exam, wish me luck
[2025-11-25T19:55:50Z] <Ozymandias42> good luck 🤞
[2025-11-25T19:55:51Z] <kris_> expecting a 75% or 80% based on the practice runs
[2025-11-25T19:55:58Z] <kris_> not ideal but itll work
[2025-11-25T19:56:09Z] <midfavila> how dare
[2025-11-25T19:56:26Z] <kris_> i need an 85% or higher in this class to qualify for the next
[2025-11-25T19:56:26Z] <midfavila> you get 99% or you bring shame upon this channel
[2025-11-25T19:56:32Z] <kris_> i CANT 
[2025-11-25T19:56:34Z] <midfavila> we're all judging you quietly
[2025-11-25T19:56:37Z] <kris_> ive been irresponsible 
[2025-11-25T19:56:37Z] <midfavila> especially eva
[2025-11-25T19:56:48Z] <kris_> i havent shown up to lectures in uh
[2025-11-25T19:56:50Z] <kris_> 3 months probably
[2025-11-25T19:57:24Z] <kris_> ive been instead using that time on other classes since this is all very basic algebra but theres 1 or 2 things I've never seen before
[2025-11-25T19:57:38Z] <midfavila> that's fair
[2025-11-25T19:57:56Z] <midfavila> if i go back to school i'm going to need to take a year of remedial math for sure since i don't use anything beyond basic algebra day to day
[2025-11-25T19:58:04Z] <kris_> professor literally gave us permission to do that since we all got unfairly fucked over by the placement so
[2025-11-25T19:58:46Z] <kris_> basically if you can do it at home without my help then do it
[2025-11-25T19:59:07Z] <kris_> midfavila: ive never had higher math than algebra 
[2025-11-25T19:59:16Z] <kris_> wasnt required in virginia
[2025-11-25T19:59:54Z] <midfavila> i mean, you don't even need algebra in canada, lmao
[2025-11-25T20:00:09Z] <midfavila> you can stop learning math in tenth year with what they call "business math" which is just like
[2025-11-25T20:00:13Z] <midfavila> "how do you convert currencies"
[2025-11-25T20:00:22Z] <midfavila> "how do you use metric and imperial and convert between them"
[2025-11-25T20:00:28Z] <midfavila> "how do you balance a budget"
[2025-11-25T20:00:50Z] <midfavila> canada's public education system is an embarrassment
[2025-11-25T20:00:57Z] <midfavila> actually funny thing about that 
[2025-11-25T20:01:03Z] <Ozymandias42> I had to take a full course on accounting in university
[2025-11-25T20:01:09Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: germany doesn't even acknowledge high school education in canada
[2025-11-25T20:01:13Z] <midfavila> outside of quebec and ontario
[2025-11-25T20:01:13Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-11-25T20:01:26Z] <Ozymandias42> okay TIL
[2025-11-25T20:01:32Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-11-25T20:01:33Z] <midfavila> :V
[2025-11-25T20:02:00Z] <midfavila> i was looking at going to uni in germany since apparently some of the classes are in english and there's no tuition costs even for non-EU citizens
[2025-11-25T20:02:20Z] <midfavila> but then i found out that the government doesn't recognise my high school credential so i would need to get whatever your guys' equivalent to the GED is
[2025-11-25T20:02:49Z] <midfavila> and *that* is only presented in german which would mean getting another year's course to study german so i can take the exam to get that in order to go to uni
[2025-11-25T20:03:12Z] <Ozymandias42> which is very likely a good deal harder going by how things seem to be so far. and that is without it being in german
[2025-11-25T20:03:19Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-11-25T20:03:26Z] <midfavila> yeah...
[2025-11-25T20:03:45Z] <midfavila> honestly i feel like public school in canada is just shitty subsidised daycare
[2025-11-25T20:03:56Z] <midfavila> twelve years and they don't teach you shit
[2025-11-25T20:04:32Z] <midfavila> there's this one maths textbook from a french guy named serge lang called basic mathematics and it's about 450 pages long including appendix and such
[2025-11-25T20:04:48Z] <midfavila> and it's basically everything from like, first-year maths to first-year college/uni stuff
[2025-11-25T20:04:56Z] <midfavila> all with formal proofs and the like
[2025-11-25T20:05:07Z] <midfavila> and it's really nice because it doesn't condescend the reader
[2025-11-25T20:05:12Z] <midfavila> i wish it was the standard textbook here
[2025-11-25T20:05:12Z] <Ozymandias42> you know, there's alternatives too. you can study in germany without having gone to high school. There's a shortened high school that qualifies for studying at technical universities only and there's also the option of doing an aprenticeship and getting your master certificate there and using that to then go to university in a related field
[2025-11-25T20:05:34Z] <midfavila> apprenticeship would require a work visa, no?
[2025-11-25T20:05:48Z] <Ozymandias42> if you wanted a german one, yes. 
[2025-11-25T20:05:55Z] <midfavila> yeah, that's what i thought
[2025-11-25T20:06:04Z] <Ozymandias42> I don't know how it's handled with foreign ones but it'd be cool if those were accepted
[2025-11-25T20:06:09Z] <Ozymandias42> might be something worth looking into
[2025-11-25T20:06:11Z] <midfavila> doubt they are
[2025-11-25T20:06:19Z] <midfavila> canada doesn't even acknowledge its own apprenticeship programmes
[2025-11-25T20:06:22Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-11-25T20:06:24Z] <Ozymandias42> ah. unlikely then
[2025-11-25T20:06:36Z] <Ozymandias42> also ours is comparatively very school-like 
[2025-11-25T20:06:40Z] <midfavila> if you do an apprenticeship in quebec it won't be recognised in ontario 
[2025-11-25T20:06:47Z] <midfavila> oh, it's not school-like here at all
[2025-11-25T20:07:00Z] <midfavila> you go to class for like a month a year and then the rest of the time you're just cheap labour for some company 
[2025-11-25T20:07:09Z] <Ozymandias42> apprenticeship here is like 50/50. 50% practical work 50% school
[2025-11-25T20:07:12Z] <midfavila> you do all the shit they don't want to do and get yelled at twelve hours a day
[2025-11-25T20:07:28Z] <midfavila> and get paid minimum wage until you've "earned" enough to pay rent and buy food after four years
[2025-11-25T20:07:34Z] <midfavila> which is when you become a journeyman
[2025-11-25T20:07:36Z] <Ozymandias42> at the end you are a highly qualified and certified worker in your field
[2025-11-25T20:07:53Z] <midfavila> and then after another bit you can try for a red seal which is like, acknowledging you as a master in that trade
[2025-11-25T20:08:04Z] <midfavila> the red seal is the only qualification recognised across canada
[2025-11-25T20:08:08Z] <midfavila> the rest is all provincial
[2025-11-25T20:08:31Z] <Ozymandias42> similar here. if you start an apprenticeship with a highschool or shortened highschool diploma its just 2-3 years
[2025-11-25T20:08:46Z] <midfavila> honestly i've kind of just accepted that the economy is fucked and the only two options are working in the frappe factory or being a 'prompt engineer'
[2025-11-25T20:09:10Z] <Ozymandias42> I find it insulting that engineer is in that job description
[2025-11-25T20:09:17Z] <midfavila> as you should lol
[2025-11-25T20:09:37Z] <midfavila> i have a friend in poland who's a professional proompter
[2025-11-25T20:09:42Z] <midfavila> i bully him about it all the time lmao
[2025-11-25T20:10:11Z] <Ozymandias42> I need to do my duolingo session before I forget
[2025-11-25T20:10:19Z] <midfavila> what language?
[2025-11-25T20:10:23Z] <Ozymandias42> japenese
[2025-11-25T20:10:32Z] <midfavila> also was it bringing up the AI that reminded you
[2025-11-25T20:10:32Z] <midfavila> :v
[2025-11-25T20:10:41Z] <midfavila> i heard they fired all their human translators
[2025-11-25T20:10:47Z] <Ozymandias42> nah I've been procrastinating that all evening
[2025-11-25T20:10:52Z] <Ozymandias42> ..but the AI was a good keyword
[2025-11-25T20:11:14Z] <midfavila> :p
[2025-11-25T20:11:38Z] <midfavila> you know what though i can probably just apply for refugee status in europe in a few years with the way canada is going
[2025-11-25T20:12:11Z] <midfavila> only somewhat joking with that
[2025-11-25T20:35:24Z] <kris_> i made that exam my little guy
[2025-11-25T20:35:34Z] <kris_> i got so lucky with the questions on it
[2025-11-25T20:35:46Z] <kris_> i for sure got 16/20 right lol
[2025-11-25T20:35:59Z] <kris_> ill take an 80
[2025-11-25T20:39:35Z] * midfavila smacks buzzer
[2025-11-25T20:39:38Z] <midfavila> aaan wrong
[2025-11-25T20:39:43Z] <midfavila> 4/20
[2025-11-25T20:39:49Z] <midfavila> fail
[2025-11-25T20:40:44Z] <kris_> 420 funny
[2025-11-25T20:43:46Z] <midfavila> funnee number
[2025-11-25T20:43:53Z] <kris_> also midfavila 
[2025-11-25T20:44:10Z] <kris_> turns out we were allowed to have calculators for this one and i didnt know that because i havent been to lectures in months
[2025-11-25T20:44:28Z] <kris_> its either a very good or very bad sign that i finished before everyone else doing it by hand
[2025-11-25T20:44:33Z] <kris_> everyone else had calcs
[2025-11-25T20:45:50Z] <midfavila> as a famous woman once said,
[2025-11-25T20:45:52Z] <midfavila> why not both?
[2025-11-25T20:46:18Z] <kris_> ive just gotten very fast with division over the past few days because ive been doing nothing else
[2025-11-25T20:46:32Z] <midfavila> considering half of canada is functionally illiterate or innumerate and we score higher than america on both metrics, i feel like it's really bad, tbh
[2025-11-25T20:46:34Z] <Ozymandias42> 🤞
[2025-11-25T20:46:36Z] <indifferentabout> who said that
[2025-11-25T20:46:45Z] <indifferentabout> name doesnt even fit
[2025-11-25T20:46:48Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: why did you summon eva again
[2025-11-25T20:46:48Z] <indifferentabout> oh my god
[2025-11-25T20:46:50Z] <kris_> i meant good or bad for me midfavila 
[2025-11-25T20:46:58Z] <kris_> others are none of my concern
[2025-11-25T20:47:00Z] <midfavila> it's good that you're handy with division
[2025-11-25T20:47:07Z] <midfavila> it's bad that you live in a society that's innumerate
[2025-11-25T20:47:12Z] <Ozymandias42> so indifferentabout is another name of you, eva?
[2025-11-25T20:47:18Z] <indifferentabout> i wrote
[2025-11-25T20:47:21Z] <midfavila> Ozymandias42: eva changes her name every time she's here
[2025-11-25T20:47:23Z] <indifferentabout> "indifferent about ozy"
[2025-11-25T20:47:26Z] <indifferentabout> idk why it doesnt fit
[2025-11-25T20:47:31Z] <kris_> gotta get more creative with short names eva
[2025-11-25T20:47:35Z] <Ozymandias42> huh
[2025-11-25T20:47:35Z] <indifferentabout> apparently so
[2025-11-25T20:48:08Z] <Ozymandias42> I assume you have set the mask to not be whois-able ?
[2025-11-25T20:48:25Z] <midfavila> indifabtozy
[2025-11-25T20:48:29Z] <midfavila> yw eva
[2025-11-25T20:48:33Z] <kris_> there are squirrels everywhere idk why they dont like me
[2025-11-25T20:48:34Z] <midfavila> you can send the cheque to me by mail
[2025-11-25T20:48:44Z] <kris_> ive been trying to hand feed squirrels for 2 years
[2025-11-25T20:48:55Z] <indifabtmid> thank youuu
[2025-11-25T20:48:57Z] <midfavila> yw
[2025-11-25T20:49:02Z] <midfavila> anything for my little buddy
[2025-11-25T20:49:24Z] <indifabtmid> im not ur anything
[2025-11-25T20:49:25Z] <Ozymandias42> whatever. I'm tired and it's going towards 10pm here and I gotta get up at 5:30 tomorrow so. Good night to you all o/
[2025-11-25T20:49:25Z] <indifabtmid> ever
[2025-11-25T20:49:27Z] <indifabtmid> like at all
[2025-11-25T20:49:30Z] <kris_> gn Ozymandias42 
[2025-11-25T20:49:30Z] <indifabtmid> oh he HATES ME
[2025-11-25T20:49:43Z] <Ozymandias42> yeah yeah, love you too^^
[2025-11-25T20:49:45Z] <midfavila> see you ozy
[2025-11-25T20:50:03Z] <kris_> I've made a discord convert out of him
[2025-11-25T20:50:16Z] <midfavila> what
[2025-11-25T20:50:31Z] <kris_> i pestered ozy to get on irc for a while
[2025-11-25T20:51:14Z] <kris_> ok vacation time almost
[2025-11-25T20:51:32Z] <kris_> i don't want to go to thanksgiving dinner though this is going to be awful
[2025-11-25T20:51:42Z] <kris_> they have a fucking seating chart and all
[2025-11-25T20:52:11Z] <midfavila> au revoir, mon petit amis
[2025-11-25T20:52:22Z] <kris_> speak american
[2025-11-25T20:52:37Z] <midfavila> je non parles liberte
[2025-11-25T20:52:50Z] <midfavila> me no speaky the francais either lmao
[2025-11-25T20:52:51Z] <kris_> ich liebe hahnchenfluegel
[2025-11-25T20:53:03Z] <midfavila> ten years in new brunswick and i barely speak any french at all
[2025-11-25T20:53:05Z] <midfavila> fake canadian
[2025-11-25T20:53:12Z] <midfavila> diet american
[2025-11-25T20:53:17Z] <midfavila> truly shameful
[2025-11-25T20:53:29Z] <kris_> you're one of us pal
[2025-11-25T20:53:38Z] <midfavila> NO
[2025-11-25T20:53:41Z] <kris_> come down here and consume the cheap property 
[2025-11-25T20:53:42Z] <midfavila> i... REFUSE
[2025-11-25T20:53:46Z] <midfavila> fuck no
[2025-11-25T20:53:46Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-11-25T20:53:52Z] <midfavila> you couldn't pay me to move to america
[2025-11-25T20:54:11Z] <kris_> my family has been seriously discussing moving to eastern europe
[2025-11-25T20:54:13Z] <midfavila> i might hate canada but god damnit you can't get me to stop saying "at least we're not america"
[2025-11-25T20:54:24Z] <midfavila> there's nothing more canadian than at least not being american
[2025-11-25T20:54:27Z] * midfavila nods sagely
[2025-11-25T20:54:43Z] <midfavila> at least food is cheap in america still
[2025-11-25T20:54:50Z] <kris_> my left asshole it is
[2025-11-25T20:54:55Z] <midfavila> compared to canada, yes it is
[2025-11-25T20:55:00Z] <kris_> i paid $16 for two quesadillas at taco bell the other day
[2025-11-25T20:55:06Z] <midfavila> i said food, kris_
[2025-11-25T20:55:07Z] <midfavila> not slop
[2025-11-25T20:55:10Z] <midfavila> typical burgoid brain
[2025-11-25T20:55:20Z] <midfavila> all the grease has smoothed out your brain-wrinkles smdh
[2025-11-25T20:55:22Z] <kris_> food COMPONENTS are cheap
[2025-11-25T20:55:34Z] <midfavila> >the food SOURCE CODE is expensive, mid
[2025-11-25T20:55:41Z] <midfavila> >and all the open source food SUCKS
[2025-11-25T20:55:52Z] <midfavila> >that's why i HAVE to buy the photoslop of food
[2025-11-25T20:56:00Z] <midfavila> >otherwise i would literally starve. you don't get it mid
[2025-11-25T20:56:10Z] <kris_> i really do only enjoy eating if its omega processed garbage
[2025-11-25T20:56:20Z] <midfavila> i would say you should see a doctor about it but
[2025-11-25T20:56:22Z] <midfavila> you know
[2025-11-25T20:56:25Z] <midfavila> medical credit cards
[2025-11-25T20:56:28Z] <kris_> microwave meals are so so so good
[2025-11-25T20:56:38Z] <midfavila> OKAY SO MY AMERICAN FRIEND VISITED ME AND SHOWED ME THE CREDIT CARDS YOU GUYS HAVE FOR HEALTHCARE
[2025-11-25T20:56:39Z] <kris_> ive discovered real food is lacking in sodium
[2025-11-25T20:56:45Z] <midfavila> I THOUGHT THAT THEY WERE JOKING ABOUT THAT
[2025-11-25T20:57:00Z] <kris_> ...what
[2025-11-25T20:57:08Z] <midfavila> yeah there's this like
[2025-11-25T20:57:13Z] <midfavila> credit card they have
[2025-11-25T20:57:18Z] <midfavila> and it looks like a fuckin department store card
[2025-11-25T20:57:22Z] <midfavila> and you use it at the hospital
[2025-11-25T20:57:23Z] <kris_> idk i just have a healthcare ID, i go in and show it to them and then go get cared for my health
[2025-11-25T20:57:30Z] <kris_> its free for me so idk how it works if it isnt
[2025-11-25T20:57:31Z] <midfavila> and you don't get charged interest for the first six months or some shit
[2025-11-25T20:57:37Z] <midfavila> and then after that it's like a billion percent interest
[2025-11-25T20:57:55Z] <kris_> well yeah how else would they profit
[2025-11-25T20:58:33Z] <kris_> sarcasm if that wasnt blatant
[2025-11-25T20:59:02Z] <midfavila> god this shithead boomer came into the place i work during the day and tried to argue with me that we should have us-style healthcare
[2025-11-25T20:59:14Z] <midfavila> "why should my wife die so some random person can get healthcare first"
[2025-11-25T20:59:21Z] <midfavila> like what the fuck are you talking about do you not know what triage is
[2025-11-25T20:59:23Z] <midfavila> ???????????????????
[2025-11-25T20:59:43Z] <midfavila> but ALSO, everyone has the same right to life and wellbeing, so shut the fuck up???
[2025-11-25T21:00:07Z] <midfavila> like why is your wife more important than someone else's husband or son or daughter or whatever???
[2025-11-25T21:00:20Z] <midfavila> then he unironically turned around and said because they have more money
[2025-11-25T21:00:23Z] <midfavila> i was ready to spit in his face
[2025-11-25T21:00:33Z] <kris_> i cant believe homophobia is what is going to take down our dictatorship
[2025-11-25T21:01:01Z] <midfavila> what?
[2025-11-25T21:01:14Z] <kris_> all the maga goofballs are pissed that trump blew a guy
[2025-11-25T21:01:22Z] <midfavila> no, american exceptionalism is what's causing your country to collapse
[2025-11-25T21:01:38Z] <midfavila> everyone knows about bubba now, but this shit has been going on for ages
[2025-11-25T21:02:41Z] <kris_> this doggo is such a good girl
[2025-11-25T21:02:46Z] <kris_> dipshit but good dof
[2025-11-25T21:02:50Z] <kris_> (my friend has a dog)
[2025-11-25T21:03:01Z] <kris_> i hate dogs 99% of the time
[2025-11-25T21:05:38Z] <kris_> I'm not ecstatic about randomly becoming allergic af to honey
[2025-11-25T21:05:42Z] <midfavila> i mean dogs are kinda goofy by default 
[2025-11-25T21:05:47Z] <midfavila> but they're frens
[2025-11-25T21:06:00Z] <midfavila> recently i've been obsessed with pomeranians 
[2025-11-25T21:06:15Z] <kris_> I'm a bigger fan of cats
[2025-11-25T21:06:26Z] <kris_> but in my own place, animals other than humans do not belong inside
[2025-11-25T21:06:33Z] <kris_> i won't ever allow it
[2025-11-25T21:08:12Z] <midfavila> rude