[2025-11-23T07:09:49Z] sad_plan: i didn't see plugins for things i want my editor to do with vis, i did look into it [2025-11-23T07:10:01Z] regardless, what i have now is a big bump over doom emacs in terms of mostly startup speed [2025-11-23T07:13:26Z] I love helix :3 [2025-11-23T07:13:32Z] no way its sewn [2025-11-23T07:13:44Z] I gave up on vis [2025-11-23T07:14:03Z] vis is way too fucking minimal [2025-11-23T07:14:03Z] no proper tutorial or man page explaining how to use the editor efficiently [2025-11-23T07:14:06Z] and yeah, that [2025-11-23T07:14:08Z] the docs are awful [2025-11-23T07:14:12Z] helix is amazing [2025-11-23T07:14:17Z] lsp is amazing [2025-11-23T07:14:20Z] vis-lspc sucks [2025-11-23T07:14:36Z] vis is so dead you have to use a fork because development stalled completely [2025-11-23T07:14:36Z] i went with a manual emacs config because i already know for a fact emacs can do what i want it to do [2025-11-23T07:14:40Z] given ive been using doom emacs for years [2025-11-23T07:14:47Z] try helix [2025-11-23T07:14:47Z] path of least resistance [2025-11-23T07:15:08Z] built in package manager too, my editor is entirely configured in 1 file plugins and all [2025-11-23T07:15:10Z] it's nice [2025-11-23T07:15:32Z] helix has no plugins [2025-11-23T07:15:35Z] but I dont need that [2025-11-23T07:15:42Z] in vis I hated the fact there's no file manager [2025-11-23T07:15:47Z] and pane switching sucks [2025-11-23T07:15:51Z] i use regular vanilla vim or nvi for my normal text editing tasks, emacs is only for coding [2025-11-23T07:16:07Z] until I used helix which has no file manager but is powerful enough to not need it [2025-11-23T07:16:08Z] when i whip out an editor for coding i expect it to be pretty featured [2025-11-23T07:16:12Z] I use one editor for everything [2025-11-23T07:16:22Z] I dont like having multiple pieces of software do the same thing [2025-11-23T07:16:24Z] i mean now that my emacs starts really fast i can use it for anything [2025-11-23T07:16:31Z] previously it was like a full second or two of startup and it was driving me nuts [2025-11-23T07:16:34Z] unless i was working on a project [2025-11-23T07:16:35Z] TRY HELIX [2025-11-23T07:16:40Z] OK [2025-11-23T07:16:43Z] later [2025-11-23T07:16:44Z] THANK YOU [2025-11-23T07:16:46Z] BLEH [2025-11-23T07:16:53Z] you're not the first person to recommend it to me [2025-11-23T07:16:58Z] but in terms of "file management" i need to sort that out too [2025-11-23T07:17:07Z] in emacs i just use dired to move around and open another terminal to touch files and whatnot [2025-11-23T07:17:25Z] i made a custom color theme too which was what took most of the time [2025-11-23T07:17:56Z] https://github.com/kkrruumm/dotfiles/tree/main/.emacs.d [2025-11-23T07:17:58Z] if curious [2025-11-23T07:18:08Z] there are better ways to organize this but id rather just keep everything in init.el [2025-11-23T07:36:41Z] sewn: what do you even mean? vis recieves commits regularly [2025-11-23T07:36:53Z] no contributions [2025-11-23T07:36:58Z] issues open for years [2025-11-23T07:37:02Z] often no comments [2025-11-23T07:37:23Z] last release perhaps months or years ago [2025-11-23T07:37:31Z] lacking the new qol changees [2025-11-23T08:18:44Z] last release was may this year last year. I fail to see this matters too much. vis works fine, it doesnt need to be super duper up-to-date with lots and lots of releases fixing only minor things [2025-11-23T08:18:54Z] also issues on many repos does this, does mean its dead [2025-11-23T08:19:00Z] last commit was also 2 weeks ago [2025-11-23T08:19:23Z] kiss also has issues which as been open for years now, also not dead [2025-11-23T08:20:28Z] s/does mean its dead/ does not mean its dead/ [2025-11-23T08:36:38Z] idk honestly im pretty happy with just using emacs i dont think i should push this any farther unless i find a real actual reason to do so [2025-11-23T08:36:58Z] helix doesnt seem like the editor for me, emacs has proven to be for years despite being "bloated" or w/e [2025-11-23T08:38:26Z] my setup is hyper-reproducible which makes me really happy, i just drop my init.el and theme file into a directory and run emacs [2025-11-23T08:39:15Z] with vim and neovim at least this was way less true [2025-11-23T09:54:08Z] sad_plan: vis works for you but not for me [2025-11-23T09:54:38Z] just because it has recent commits, doesnt mean those commits are also meaningful [2025-11-23T09:55:17Z] open up the commit history, the last commit was just a typo fix, before that was august, then june, then may [2025-11-23T09:55:26Z] but not regularly maintained [2025-11-23T09:55:29Z] there are 13 pull requests [2025-11-23T09:55:42Z] of course, not all the pull requests are productive and introduce QoL [2025-11-23T11:39:39Z] sewn: are you into pixel art at all by chance [2025-11-23T11:39:46Z] for some reason i just made that connection [2025-11-23T11:39:47Z] depends [2025-11-23T11:40:14Z] im getting into making pixel art for 2d gaems and ive been browsing for good tools to do that with for a while now [2025-11-23T11:41:20Z] libresprite looks cute [2025-11-23T14:04:26Z] thats recieving attention imo, no matter how small. developers have other things to do aswell. less maintaned, perhaps, but not maintained? nope [2025-11-23T14:16:04Z] i dont really pay much mind to release frequency unless there's some sort of actually big issue with the version that's out [2025-11-23T14:16:15Z] im pretty sure runit went over 10 years without updates [2025-11-23T14:16:18Z] for example [2025-11-23T21:00:43Z] yep. ubase for example has only seen a handfull of commits since 2018 aswell,but nobody is complaining about that :p