[2025-07-16T02:34:54Z] <midfavila> weh?
[2025-07-16T02:34:57Z] <midfavila> it's totally fine
[2025-07-16T02:35:07Z] <midfavila> zero difference from dialup or high-speed 
[2025-07-16T02:35:15Z] <midfavila> your friend is being silly
[2025-07-16T02:35:19Z] <midfavila> it's something else
[2025-07-16T02:35:59Z] <midfavila> also
[2025-07-16T02:36:00Z] <midfavila> wow
[2025-07-16T02:36:08Z] <midfavila> librewolf is way better than firefox
[2025-07-16T02:50:03Z] <kris_> yeah librewolf fucks
[2025-07-16T02:50:12Z] <kris_> has been my main browser for like 3-4 years
[2025-07-16T02:50:23Z] <kris_> >clean browser is a crazy concept
[2025-07-16T02:51:16Z] <kris_> midfavila: i also have a dns proxy locally that has a blocklist with 1.6 million entries so the web tends to be pretty clean for me
[2025-07-16T02:55:40Z] <midfavila> my laptop is baby so it's unreal how noticeable it is
[2025-07-16T02:56:06Z] <midfavila> using the same sites and shit, under the same conditions, librewolf places .1A less of a load on the system
[2025-07-16T02:56:31Z] <midfavila> ~240mA light browsing with librewolf versus ~340 with firefox
[2025-07-16T02:57:12Z] <midfavila> also it doesn't trigger emergency shutdown bc of heat buildup lol
[2025-07-16T03:05:44Z] <kris_> i mean, i noticed it on my 10700k system too
[2025-07-16T03:05:48Z] <kris_> just general snappiness 
[2025-07-16T05:23:15Z] <EliSoli> Is it allowed to talk in other languages here??
[2025-07-16T05:23:26Z] <EliSoli> or is it english only?
[2025-07-16T05:26:57Z] <midfavila> i mean i would ask the mods since they're the ones policing stuff
[2025-07-16T05:27:02Z] <midfavila> the project's official language is english 
[2025-07-16T05:27:10Z] <midfavila> i don't think many regular users would care though
[2025-07-16T05:40:39Z] <EliSoli> @phoebos
[2025-07-16T05:40:46Z] <EliSoli> phoebos
[2025-07-16T05:40:55Z] <EliSoli> idk how to ping in this new client XD
[2025-07-16T07:34:10Z] <phoebos> I have no problem with other languages, just be nice
[2025-07-16T08:10:31Z] <Vova> Hi
[2025-07-16T08:10:47Z] <Vova> Anyone tried https://github.com/troglobit/finit
[2025-07-16T10:23:24Z] <sewn> looks lame
[2025-07-16T14:38:17Z] <Vova> Nah
[2025-07-16T14:38:24Z] <Vova> It's pretty good tbf
[2025-07-16T14:38:34Z] <Vova> I use it since this morning and it's very well made
[2025-07-16T15:20:48Z] <midfavila> gm computer kissers
[2025-07-16T15:56:58Z] <sad_plan> gm midfavila 
[2025-07-16T16:05:42Z] <sewn> gm
[2025-07-16T16:24:44Z] <midfavila> Vova: what's the advantage of finit over sinit
[2025-07-16T16:25:19Z] <midfavila> i don't see why an init service needs to do more than just handle reaping and passing the baton to an init script
[2025-07-16T16:26:00Z] <sad_plan> you dont need reaping if your processes just exit properly
[2025-07-16T16:26:53Z] <Vova> midfavila: finit is an init and service manager, and honestly I couldn't describe it better than the website itself https://troglobit.github.io/finit/
[2025-07-16T16:27:10Z] <sad_plan> so really only need to start your init scripts for you
[2025-07-16T16:27:14Z] <Vova> I've packaged it, so if you're interested tell me and I'll push the repo tomorrow
[2025-07-16T16:27:36Z] <Vova> sad_plan: yeah if you want to be minimalist as possible then yeah sinit or shinit is more than enough
[2025-07-16T16:28:46Z] <sad_plan> Vova: well yeah, but shinit has traps for shutting down/restarting. we also dont need that. only start init scripts. which is what mine does. check if pid=1, then start init scripts
[2025-07-16T16:28:48Z] <Vova> but tbf I hate runit, I want something more user friendly, and finit provides that for me, finit's code is clean, it can be fully statically linked, it's simple, it supports hooks, you can write plugins for it, and so on
[2025-07-16T16:29:04Z] <sad_plan> I suppose whatever works
[2025-07-16T16:29:06Z] <midfavila> shinit is also good
[2025-07-16T16:29:16Z] <sad_plan> rcinit is better
[2025-07-16T16:29:19Z] <midfavila> frankly i don't see a huge reason to even have a service manager
[2025-07-16T16:29:29Z] <midfavila> slackware and openwrt do just fine without one
[2025-07-16T16:29:47Z] <sad_plan> you can launch <services> in your rc.local file, thus not needing a service manager
[2025-07-16T16:30:01Z] <sad_plan> its just less convinient if things get killed, or doesnt start
[2025-07-16T16:30:11Z] <midfavila> respawn literally exists
[2025-07-16T16:30:33Z] <sad_plan> well yeah. I wasnt aware of that actually. lol
[2025-07-16T16:30:37Z] <midfavila> like my "service manager" for my gettys is just a for loop that runs respawns 
[2025-07-16T16:30:41Z] <sad_plan> i was going to say I dont have that, but I do. lol
[2025-07-16T16:30:57Z] <midfavila> for x in $(seq 1 6) ; do respawn getty /dev/tty$x &;done, basically
[2025-07-16T16:31:13Z] <sad_plan> hm, nice. but respawn isnt posix, now is it?
[2025-07-16T16:32:13Z] <midfavila> it's in suckless' coreutils iirc
[2025-07-16T16:32:26Z] <midfavila> so it might not be posix, idk, but it's definitely common
[2025-07-16T16:32:47Z] <midfavila> ubase
[2025-07-16T16:33:18Z] <Vova> midfavila: do you have a github or anything where I can see your init stuff 
[2025-07-16T16:33:36Z] <midfavila> not really
[2025-07-16T16:33:47Z] <midfavila> my "init stuff" is just sinit + kiss' init scripts
[2025-07-16T16:33:54Z] <midfavila> plus a little shim like i posted to handle spawning gettys
[2025-07-16T16:34:47Z] <sewn> mid
[2025-07-16T16:34:50Z] <midfavila> wot
[2025-07-16T16:37:12Z] <sewn> mid
[2025-07-16T16:37:19Z] <midfavila> wot
[2025-07-16T16:37:22Z] <midfavila> wotchua want bruv
[2025-07-16T16:37:33Z] <midfavila> pop u right in da kisser swear on me mum
[2025-07-16T16:38:19Z] <Vova> wait
[2025-07-16T16:38:26Z] <Vova> midfavila: you're the hovercats guy ?
[2025-07-16T16:38:30Z] <midfavila> what
[2025-07-16T16:38:34Z] <midfavila> what are hovercats
[2025-07-16T16:38:50Z] <Vova> the oasis/kiss guy
[2025-07-16T16:38:52Z] <Vova> https://github.com/hovercats/oakiss
[2025-07-16T16:39:03Z] <midfavila> oh
[2025-07-16T16:39:04Z] <midfavila> no
[2025-07-16T16:39:05Z] <Vova> oh that's sad plan
[2025-07-16T16:39:06Z] <midfavila> i'm not
[2025-07-16T16:39:08Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-07-16T16:39:18Z] <midfavila> my setup is far less interesting 
[2025-07-16T16:39:29Z] <sad_plan> Vova: thats me
[2025-07-16T16:39:43Z] <Vova> sad_plan: do you have any example of your init setup
[2025-07-16T16:39:59Z] <Vova> man I never looked into the rc shell, it looks weird and juicy at the same time
[2025-07-16T16:40:03Z] <sad_plan> its just rcinit + my initscripts
[2025-07-16T16:40:12Z] <sad_plan> you can find the defualt ones I use in hovercats/etc
[2025-07-16T16:40:17Z] <Vova> ty
[2025-07-16T16:40:24Z] <sad_plan> rc is dope. its more sane if you ask me
[2025-07-16T16:40:56Z] <sad_plan> outside of the default ones, I have some other stuff in rc.local thats not in the repo. ill give you a link
[2025-07-16T16:41:15Z] <sad_plan> Vova: http://0x0.st/8k7i.local
[2025-07-16T16:41:28Z] <sad_plan> thats the only stuff thats not in the repo in my init setup
[2025-07-16T16:41:39Z] <sad_plan> rcinit is under hovercats/rcinit if you didnt already see it
[2025-07-16T16:41:58Z] <Vova> nice do you still use rcsm ?
[2025-07-16T16:42:02Z] <sad_plan> yes
[2025-07-16T16:43:36Z] <Vova> damn you don't even use mdev(d)
[2025-07-16T16:45:57Z] <sad_plan> nope :p
[2025-07-16T16:46:04Z] <sad_plan> dont need to
[2025-07-16T16:47:49Z] <Vova> do you know where I can learn more about the rc shell because I can't find anything
[2025-07-16T16:48:20Z] <Vova> oh my bad it's from plan9
[2025-07-16T16:48:45Z] <sad_plan> cat-v has some docs for it which Ive used a lot
[2025-07-16T16:48:53Z] <sad_plan> the manpage has mostly the same stuff
[2025-07-16T16:49:22Z] <sad_plan> http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/4th_edition/papers/rc
[2025-07-16T16:50:51Z] <sad_plan> i suppose theres some more examples or info on cat-v. you get the gist of it if you just have a look
[2025-07-16T16:53:55Z] <Vova> ty
[2025-07-16T16:54:47Z] <sad_plan> yw
[2025-07-16T16:55:05Z] <kris_> heylo
[2025-07-16T17:12:19Z] <sewn> hi kwis
[2025-07-16T17:14:14Z] <sad_plan> hello cateared kris_
[2025-07-16T17:27:05Z] <kris_> excuse me
[2025-07-16T18:05:43Z] <sad_plan> not exused
[2025-07-16T18:06:59Z] <midfavila> sad_plan has spoken
[2025-07-16T18:07:04Z] <midfavila> thus, the lore deepens
[2025-07-16T18:18:28Z] <sewn> omg kris brother
[2025-07-16T18:32:56Z] <sad_plan> indeed it does midfavila